[RBW] Seven Speed Hubs

[Luke Hendrickson]

[image: R0005110.jpeg]Yes, these are really, really nice. 

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[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Luke Hendrickson]

[image: R0004896.jpeg]
I suggest the Atlantis, though I am biased as I have one. I have it on good 
authority that the last run of them was also the last with a double TT. 
Moving forward, the Atlantis will have a single TT.

I have racked my bike, unracked it, fendered it, have a BOB trailer for it, 
commute 150 miles a week on it, climb up huge dirt passes, descend roads 
faster than I should while in an aero tuck (a little hard given I have a 62 
and am 6’6”), and overall just really love it. So versatile, so 
comfortable, and so pretty.
On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:55:08 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> Get a Sam with a 3x9 drive.
> Strong enough to do the riding you want, versatile enough for errands and 
> light touring, and very comfortable.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Luke Hendrickson]

Hahahaha yeah, that makes sense, Joe 😂

On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 10:14:51 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I call it "spouse/SO says I have to sell" pricing. Somehow it never sells! 
>
> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 9:48:01 PM UTC-7 jonathan@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> iirc the pricing was even worse the last time they listed it. sad to see
>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 8:17:37 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> That 51 on CL Seattle: pricing is nuts. Seems like a common theme with 
>>> Rivs for sale. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 1:25:55 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> The 51cm Atlantis from Seattle that Matti posted is a newer style MIT 
>>>> Atlantis made for 650b wheels. While I still think the one in question is 
>>>> possibly also a 51cm, it’s a Toyo model made for 26” wheels. My frame of 
>>>> reference is usually the amount of headtube space between the top tube and 
>>>> down tube. If there’s a pump peg, that gives you an even better reference 
>>>> point for eyeing up the size of a frame.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Luke Hendrickson]

That 51 on CL Seattle: pricing is nuts. Seems like a common theme with Rivs 
for sale. 

On Sunday, March 24, 2024 at 1:25:55 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> The 51cm Atlantis from Seattle that Matti posted is a newer style MIT 
> Atlantis made for 650b wheels. While I still think the one in question is 
> possibly also a 51cm, it’s a Toyo model made for 26” wheels. My frame of 
> reference is usually the amount of headtube space between the top tube and 
> down tube. If there’s a pump peg, that gives you an even better reference 
> point for eyeing up the size of a frame.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobson-Zingo tools tried and liked?

[Luke Hendrickson]

The HZ tools are functional and really minimal/austere/basic while being 
well-made and well-priced. I work for the company (Merry Sales) that sells 
whatever RBW doesn’t.

On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 9:33:11 AM UTC-7 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got the chain quicklink pliers and the Cable Cutters and both are 
> great. 
>
> Would buy again if I needed to, and will likely replace more stuff with 
> their tools as needed.
>
> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 12:25:06 PM UTC-4 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not at all fixated on the branding, just looking for tools in general. I 
>> like when there is limited choice and the shop sells only what they trust 
>> (analog, riv..) so I wanted to get some feedback on the tools. 
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 8:40 pm Bill Lindsay,  wrote:
>>
>>> Most people consider the Mike Plumpatire floor pump to be a part of the 
>>> Hobson Zingo program.  If you require explicit HZ branding on each item, 
>>> the MP pump doesn't qualify.
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/mike-plumpatire-floor-pump
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 15, 2024 at 7:46:17 AM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I dont see a HZ floor pump on the website though...

 On Fri, 15 Mar, 2024, 11:10 am Adam Moss,  wrote:

> Their floor pump is awesome!
>
> Best,
> Adam 
>
> On Thursday, March 14, 2024 at 9:12:56 PM UTC-7 peter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Looking for recommendations for any HZ tools that you have tried and 
>> would recommend...
>>
>> Thank you
>> peter
>>
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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Luke Hendrickson]

Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 

On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
> the other one.
>
> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
> for.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>
>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>> Ram.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Large 33R Rear Rack

[Luke Hendrickson]

See 
here: 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bop/d/san-francisco-surly-cross-check/7722332812.html

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 3:47:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Anyone have one, preferably in the San Francisco Bay Area?
>

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[RBW] Re: Hub recommendations for Velocity Cliffhangers

[Luke Hendrickson]

I second Deore LX! I had those front & rear until I laced up a front wheel 
with a Kasai FS dynamo hub.

On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 2:11:58 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:

> I like the Deore LX trekking equipment.  A rear hub would be FH-T670.
> Quiet and bulletproof.  I’ve laced them to Velocity Atlas and Velocity 
> Dyads.
> For a front hub, I tend to use Shimano 105s because they are reliable and 
> reasonably cheap.
>
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[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

[Luke Hendrickson]

Everyone’s already made good points (what a great resource this place is!), 
but always feel free to get ahold of me as I work at Merry Sales. Anyone 
can email me at luke at merrysales dot com with questions related to stuff 
you’ve bought from us.

On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:59:45 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> Keith, I think to get a good road chainline 43.5-45mm for a road frame 
> w/130mm spacing and a 46/30 (or abouts), a basic road triple would work 
> just fine. Be it a 110/74 or 130/74, either way they accommodate the 46t 
> ring in the middle. Even a basic XD2 with a 107mm BB is 45-46mm chainline, 
> and that's as a triple, measured to the middle ring. Since doubles are 
> measured between the rings, in this case the 30 and 46, the chainline will 
> measure as 2.5mm less(the c-c spacing on chainrings). I used a 107 BB on my 
> Bombadil even with it's bowed out stays, so on a road bike without that 
> it'll be no issue either. A 110mm BB is only longer on  the NDS, but I've 
> used 1-2mm spacers on the driveside(between the frame and cup) if desired 
> for a better chainline. I'm referring to cartridges of course, you can't do 
> that with a cup/cone BB !
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 5:28:09 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I wanted a “medium” touring bike, so I got an A Homer Hilsen frame.
>> I was also impressed with how the 24mm, eternal bearing, Hollowtech II 
>> drive system felt.  It was, to my feet, noticeably stiffer than the square 
>> taper BBs I had been using for years.
>>
>> So, loath to screw up a Rivendell frame, I bought an ’82 Team Fuji from 
>> Craigslist, and used the rebuild of that to determine how to pull a square 
>> taper BB and put on the Hollowtech BBR60.  I also put on a few other 
>> goodies (Sora 3030 system,105 brakes, Velocity Road rear hub, re-laced the 
>> wheels) to learn how it all worked.
>>
>> I learned that those spacers we’ve been referring to are fragile and 
>> don’t want to be between two moving parts.  Also that you put the drive 
>> side external cup on, then run the crank through, then screw on the 
>> non-drive side cup instead of trying to push the crank through a fully 
>> assembled BB (my LBS taught me that).  Also that putting on the crank, then 
>> measuring the chainline, then pulling off the crank to change the drive 
>> side spacers was an iterative process.
>>
>> Then I built up the Homer with the MT800 BB and the Shimano FC-M590 
>> triple crank.  It only took one iteration of spacers to get the chainline. 
>>  The MT800 worked perfectly on the 68mm BB shell.  I also - wanting to see 
>> if this stuff was interchangeable - pulled it all off at one point and 
>> tried a Token TK878EX BB. The Token was cheaper then, and came in AHH Blue. 
>>  It also worked perfectly.
>>
>> The Homer was not my longed-for perfect tourer, so I passed it on for a 
>> Soma Saga.  But I kept the drive and BB.  The Saga also has a 68mm BB shell 
>> and 135mm rear spacing.  Only one iteration to get the spacers/chainline 
>> right, and they are a different config from the Homer, but it works great.
>>
>> Other lessons learned - the 24mm bottom bracket is more fragile than a 
>> sealed square-taper BB (also more fragile than the good old 1/4 inch ball 
>> bearings in an un-sealed square-taper setup).  I ruined one 24mm BB before 
>> I asked my LBS and got a lesson in installation.  I also got told that the 
>> 24mm BB has to be replaced more often just from use.  I haven’t killed one 
>> yet, but if your crank starts making a hissing sound, check the BB first.
>>
>> Going back to Keith’s original post, a little asymmetry is the price paid 
>> for a correct chainline when your crank shaft is fixed length.  Spacers and 
>> assembly iterations are the price paid for a 24mm BB that is supposed to 
>> fit both 73mm and 68mm shells - it must be built for the bigger size.  Max, 
>> the MTN should work fine, for a few grams extra weight, and might last 
>> longer.  And, finally, if you hit a snag ask your LBS.  They've had to deal 
>> with this stuff for years.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: External bottom brackets for dummies?

[Luke Hendrickson]

Everyone’s already made good points (what a great resource this place is!), 
but always feel free to get ahold of me as I work at Merry Sales. Anyone 
can email me at l...@merrysales.com with questions related to stuff you’ve 
bought from us. 
On Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 5:59:45 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> Keith, I think to get a good road chainline 43.5-45mm for a road frame 
> w/130mm spacing and a 46/30 (or abouts), a basic road triple would work 
> just fine. Be it a 110/74 or 130/74, either way they accommodate the 46t 
> ring in the middle. Even a basic XD2 with a 107mm BB is 45-46mm chainline, 
> and that's as a triple, measured to the middle ring. Since doubles are 
> measured between the rings, in this case the 30 and 46, the chainline will 
> measure as 2.5mm less(the c-c spacing on chainrings). I used a 107 BB on my 
> Bombadil even with it's bowed out stays, so on a road bike without that 
> it'll be no issue either. A 110mm BB is only longer on  the NDS, but I've 
> used 1-2mm spacers on the driveside(between the frame and cup) if desired 
> for a better chainline. I'm referring to cartridges of course, you can't do 
> that with a cup/cone BB !
>
> On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 5:28:09 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I wanted a “medium” touring bike, so I got an A Homer Hilsen frame.
>> I was also impressed with how the 24mm, eternal bearing, Hollowtech II 
>> drive system felt.  It was, to my feet, noticeably stiffer than the square 
>> taper BBs I had been using for years.
>>
>> So, loath to screw up a Rivendell frame, I bought an ’82 Team Fuji from 
>> Craigslist, and used the rebuild of that to determine how to pull a square 
>> taper BB and put on the Hollowtech BBR60.  I also put on a few other 
>> goodies (Sora 3030 system,105 brakes, Velocity Road rear hub, re-laced the 
>> wheels) to learn how it all worked.
>>
>> I learned that those spacers we’ve been referring to are fragile and 
>> don’t want to be between two moving parts.  Also that you put the drive 
>> side external cup on, then run the crank through, then screw on the 
>> non-drive side cup instead of trying to push the crank through a fully 
>> assembled BB (my LBS taught me that).  Also that putting on the crank, then 
>> measuring the chainline, then pulling off the crank to change the drive 
>> side spacers was an iterative process.
>>
>> Then I built up the Homer with the MT800 BB and the Shimano FC-M590 
>> triple crank.  It only took one iteration of spacers to get the chainline. 
>>  The MT800 worked perfectly on the 68mm BB shell.  I also - wanting to see 
>> if this stuff was interchangeable - pulled it all off at one point and 
>> tried a Token TK878EX BB. The Token was cheaper then, and came in AHH Blue. 
>>  It also worked perfectly.
>>
>> The Homer was not my longed-for perfect tourer, so I passed it on for a 
>> Soma Saga.  But I kept the drive and BB.  The Saga also has a 68mm BB shell 
>> and 135mm rear spacing.  Only one iteration to get the spacers/chainline 
>> right, and they are a different config from the Homer, but it works great.
>>
>> Other lessons learned - the 24mm bottom bracket is more fragile than a 
>> sealed square-taper BB (also more fragile than the good old 1/4 inch ball 
>> bearings in an un-sealed square-taper setup).  I ruined one 24mm BB before 
>> I asked my LBS and got a lesson in installation.  I also got told that the 
>> 24mm BB has to be replaced more often just from use.  I haven’t killed one 
>> yet, but if your crank starts making a hissing sound, check the BB first.
>>
>> Going back to Keith’s original post, a little asymmetry is the price paid 
>> for a correct chainline when your crank shaft is fixed length.  Spacers and 
>> assembly iterations are the price paid for a 24mm BB that is supposed to 
>> fit both 73mm and 68mm shells - it must be built for the bigger size.  Max, 
>> the MTN should work fine, for a few grams extra weight, and might last 
>> longer.  And, finally, if you hit a snag ask your LBS.  They've had to deal 
>> with this stuff for years.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Josie! Good to see you here. As always, lovely build.

On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Very nice build -- top 5 Atlantis build, in my book -- and that tiny rack 
> is apparently capable of carrying immense loads.
>
> I can't see clearly from the photos, but it looks as if you have knobbies 
> under fenders. First, what are the tires? Secondly, what if any is your 
> front fender QR system, in case you pick up a stick? I am thinking of 
> getting a second, fat and knobby wheelset for one of my bikes and have 
> thought this would mean removing the fenders, but perhaps there are 
> alternatives.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:35 AM Josie  wrote:
>
>> Hello amigos, 
>>
>> This is my first time posting up here - thanks for having me! This is my 
>> 51cm Toyo Built Atlantis that I picked up about 2 years ago. I take a lot 
>> of pictures while I ride, sometimes digital, often on film. I'm looking 
>> forward to seeing all of your builds and being apart of the Riv hype!
>>
>> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 2.jpg]
>> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 1.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 19.jpg]
>>
>> [image: Rivendell Atlantis 10.jpg][image: Rivendell Atlantis 15.jpg]
>> Happy pedalling! 🌍✌️ 
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Re: [RBW] 31.8 clamp FD recs

[Luke Hendrickson]

I run the IRD Alpina 

 
with a 46-34-22 and an 11-34 8s cassette (friction). I think that it looks 
good/just like older Ultegra FDs.

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 2:30:26 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Or was it 42/32/22? I forget.
>
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 3:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I used one of my 2 old 740x fds with a Bontrager pipe spindle triple, 
>> IIRC 46/36/2
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB – Nitto 34F Rack

[Luke Hendrickson]

Thanks for the suggestion! I snagged one for $200CAD ($150USD) shipped to 
me so all good.

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 11:11:49 AM UTC-8 rockthr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I go with Blue Lug. Shipping from Japan isn’t cheap, but it’s offset by 
> product costs being cheaper. So give it a look. Plus, it opens up the 
> opportunity to buy other Nitto, MKS, and Blue Lug goodies. Items arrive 
> quickly and well packed.
>
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 9:54:58 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> One more plug for Ben's. I've purchased a few different Carradice items 
>> from them in the past. Just a few weeks ago I ordered a Nitto M-12 rack 
>> from them and then freaked out thinking it would not work with the V-brakes 
>> I have on the bike (Nitto specifies that they are for canti brakes). I 
>> exchanged emails with a gentleman in the shop named Drew who took the time 
>> to look at some pics of my fork and determined that it "should work" - and 
>> it did.
>>
>> My first choice is always my favorite LBS, followed by RBW - - but there 
>> are times when they just don't have what I'm looking for.
>>
>> Steve. in Asheville, NC
>> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 3:33:49 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Ben's Cycle for the win Luke ! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 3:07:07 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all! I found one for $260 shipped, but don’t wanna pay that much if 
>>>> I can avoid it. 💅🏻
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: caps, caps, caps (pt.1)

[Luke Hendrickson]

Lol “trade for rolex watch” 🥂

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 6:16:12 PM UTC-8 Paul Richardson wrote:

> three caps for your consideration:
>
> 1.  DIY blue Riv hat.  I sewed a patch onto a "new old stock" New Era 
> Chicago Cubs snapback.  It's pretty much still new/unworn, though there are 
> some rusty looking spots on the inside of the brim, should be visible in 
> the pics.  It's not sweat.  $30 shipped.
>
> 2.  DIY black Riv hat.  I sewed a patch onto a black Ebbets field flannel 
> cap.  Also pretty much unworn, maybe had it on three times.  I wanted to 
> love this but it just doesn't fit my head right.  The brim is unbent.  $45 
> shipped.
>
> 3.  Randi Jo wool flip-up in navy/acorn, similiar to this 
> ,
>  
> though the earflap is a different color.   Medium.  $40 shipped.
>
> PLEASE NOTE:  this is a mini basketball!!!  these are normal sized hats!!!
>
> I often miss deals on this list because I don't respond quickly enough, so 
> in the event that more than one person interested in any of these in the 
> next 24-or-so hours, I'll wait and then pick at random.  Payment via Paypal 
> f+f, cash, check, or trade for rolex watch.
>
> thanks!
> paul, dreaming of a roaduno in
> takoma park, md.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB – Nitto 34F Rack

[Luke Hendrickson]

Thanks both!!

I’ll give it a gander if an opportunity with my Canadian friend falls 
through. 
On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 7:54:58 PM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> One more plug for Ben's. I've purchased a few different Carradice items 
> from them in the past. Just a few weeks ago I ordered a Nitto M-12 rack 
> from them and then freaked out thinking it would not work with the V-brakes 
> I have on the bike (Nitto specifies that they are for canti brakes). I 
> exchanged emails with a gentleman in the shop named Drew who took the time 
> to look at some pics of my fork and determined that it "should work" - and 
> it did.
>
> My first choice is always my favorite LBS, followed by RBW - - but there 
> are times when they just don't have what I'm looking for.
>
> Steve. in Asheville, NC
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 3:33:49 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Ben's Cycle for the win Luke ! 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 3:07:07 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! I found one for $260 shipped, but don’t wanna pay that much if 
>>> I can avoid it. 💅🏻
>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB – Nitto 34F Rack

[Luke Hendrickson]

Hey all! I found one for $260 shipped, but don’t wanna pay that much if I 
can avoid it. 💅🏻

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[RBW] Re: Silver2 cranks!

[Luke Hendrickson]

Nice to have another good-looking crank option (esp since the original 
Silver cranks are rather ugly).

On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 3:06:55 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> That's cool about your serial number.  If there was ever a question, you 
> for sure can never sell now.
>
> Crank is VERY attractive, too.  I like arms with the fattened ends where 
> the pedal spindle attaches, but it does make it harder to use a single mold 
> for multiple arm lengths.
>
> On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 2:58:42 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> One detail from the narrative on Roman's Legolas:  His serial number is 
>> MN18RMS.  (M)ark (N)obilette 20(18) (RMS) Roman's initials.  Sure enough I 
>> looked at my serial number and it's got my initials too!  That's pretty 
>> fun.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:30:58 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I stumbled upon the News Blog on rivbike.com and was glancing at 
>>> Roman's Legolas.  He and I ordered ours in the same size at the same time, 
>>> so I always regard his as the twin sibling to mine. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, there's a sneak peek of a lighter, road-ish, Silver2 crankset. 
>>>  Looks pretty cool!
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/romans-57cm-legolas-865cm-pbh
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Carrying groceries on your bike

[Luke Hendrickson]

@MisterMo: bc why not? :)
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 6:45:49 AM UTC-7 MisterMo wrote:

> ^^This looks great, cool bike! But why use a B.O.B. when you have an open 
> front basket and rear rack with no panniers?
>
> On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 2:06:43 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: image.jpeg]
>>
>> Just got a B.O.B.!
>>
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 10:20:52 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> When it’s more than one bag of groceries I take my Emory Workhorse cargo 
>>> bike with the enormous world-swallowing waxed canvas grocery bag (open, 
>>> below, rolls down like a paper bag) I had made by local bagmaker Brandon of 
>>> CycleCats. Fits A Lot.
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2023, at 22:06, Brian Witt  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> so, this is my Giant commuter bikea series of health 'issues' 
>>> brought me to a place in my life where a 'step thru' was necessary..(.I am 
>>> getting back on  the Quickbeam slowly and gratefully) the front basket 
>>> is a Wald 157, and  'Kitty Litter' buckets  with fittings that 'snap' onto 
>>> the rear rackThe clips are by Klickfix, a german company, and I got 
>>> them through velofred.com.  he carries a variety of mounting 
>>> fixtures and accessories for bike bags, racks and panniers etc.   I have a 
>>> 2 leg kickstand which makes loading the groceries much easier.   the clips 
>>> are nice... when i get home i can lift the buckets off the bike and carry 
>>> the groceries into the house...yeah, i know i could paint the litter 
>>> buckets, but i kinda like the look!  
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 11:52 PM Alex K  wrote:
>>>
>>> A recent Costco run! Pass And Stow rack, Wald 139 and a few RokStraps 
>>>> and we're golden...
>>>
>>> Alex in SF
>>>> <0-1.jpg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 8:43:02 PM UTC-7 
>>>> aelga...@castilleja.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice work Paul! I used to do the exact same thing in middle school 
>>>>> when I had a paper route for the Contra Costa Times. 150 papers balanced 
>>>>> on 
>>>>> my handlebars every morning. 😊
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmed in Redwood City 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 7:37 PM Christian B-H  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_2959.jpeg]Respect, Paul! That’s genius. I bought these 
>>>>>> durable ortlieb panniers to match my wife’s old bike in pre-pandemic 
>>>>>> commuting times once she’d gotten tired of the sweaty back pack commute 
>>>>>> in 
>>>>>> the summer humidity and while boring, they do a great job! Also a Soma 
>>>>>> Champs Elyse rack up front with Wald 137 and a SimWorks RAL tote have 
>>>>>> been 
>>>>>> awesome!  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 7:28:42 PM UTC-6 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know this probably has been discussed before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you use your bike for such errands what is your method of 
>>>>>>> transporting groceries or other items?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have one bike with a rack and a large Wald basket that can handle 
>>>>>>> a couple bags of groceries but sometimes as I rotate through my bikes I 
>>>>>>> use 
>>>>>>> the method pictured below of tying cloth sacks around the handlebar 
>>>>>>> balancing the load.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this can be a risky method.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need to find some decent grocery panniers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today I weighed these 2 sacks in bathroom scales.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dang...36.2 pounds. Glad it was only 2 miles return trip .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: New MKS Pretzel pedals coming out next month

[Luke Hendrickson]

I’ve seen it in-person and … I’ll pass. 

On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Bill
>
> Thank you for your information. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 2:36 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> "Curious as to whether or not they would accept the cage extension that 
>> currently RBW sells."
>>
>> The Pretzel pedal has the cage extension BUILT IN.  You won't need the 
>> cage extension with the Pretzel.  It's already in there.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:45:51 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I came across  these new MKS Pretzel pedals, while looking for something 
>> else on the MKS website. They definitely look like they a twist to them, 
>> like a pretzel.  Curious as to whether or not they would accept the cage 
>> extension that currently RBW sells.  
>>
>> https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/news/node/453
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
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[RBW] Re: Front basket rack recommendations

[Luke Hendrickson]

I love these: Rip Rack from Rat King, Five Rail from Pass & Stow, or the 
34F from Nitto.

On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 3:26:12 PM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:

> That Cycles manivelle rack is slick. No zip ties, cool!
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 11:54:33 AM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers 
> wrote:
>
>> In the latest PLP video, Russ brings to light a nice basket solution from 
>> a company called Manivelle. The Le Porteur version is a little less than 2 
>> lbs, which is kind of amazing for a basket and rack combination. The 
>> standard version seems to work well with a basket bag. Looks like you might 
>> spend under $100 for the Manivelle.
>>
>> https://cyclesmanivelle.com/en/-shop/racks-baskets/
>>
>> On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:19:47 PM UTC-4 ack...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just found a screamin deal on a fully built 51 Sam. Now it's time to get 
>>> it kitted out. I love my Pass And Stow for the heavy duty- stuff and 
>>> aesthetically, it's unmatched IMO. Perhaps a bit of overkill as a simple 
>>> basket rack. Would love an RBW51 Nitto rack, but not sure I can justify the 
>>> $288 plus tax. Looking for something simple and elegant and cost-efficient 
>>> for mounting a Wald 139 Hardware-less Basket and a Tunitas 137 Tote. 
>>> If anybody has a well used RBW51 that they would be willing to part 
>>> with, I'd love to hear from you.
>>> Also looking for other options and would love to see what y'all are 
>>> using for your Wald 139 Baskets.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Alex
>>> a c k s f 7 8 gmail
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Luke Hendrickson]

I listed an address of my fave fish taco spot as my home address :) Be 
careful out there y’all
On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 7:33:50 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hopefully this is the closest this list ever gets to the Nextdoor app.
>
> On Sep 15, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Ted W  wrote:
>
> 
>
> An innocent idea but on the public Internet, quite dangerous. Sure, the 
> odds are low that someone will use the information maliciously, but why 
> risk it?
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 7:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> I love how many people listed their home addresses so you can go and snag 
>> their Rivs out of their sheds! 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 10:35:39 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello John Rinker ..
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:33:41 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>>
 I noticed this just a while ago:


 https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivendell_Bicycles/comments/16ivfb0/rivendell_bike_owner_map/

 I have no association with the OP whatsoever. 

 Is this going to be of a great concern or not ?

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Riv 32F Racks in stock

[Luke Hendrickson]

Yeah, we got ten of them in and now they’re all sold out!

On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 6:53:00 AM UTC-7 Davey Two Shoes wrote:

> Theres a couple available on the Somafab shop. I know mini front racks 
> have been scarce lately - Looks like Nitto is starting to come back in.

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Campee 27F rack vs rack combos

[Luke Hendrickson]

I believe the 27F is out of production as is the 27R. Soma has a 27R for 
sale…

On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 9:25:50 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Andy Reed used three question marks:
> 1. regarding the fact that the 27F is hard to find: "Any insights on 
> this?"  Nope.  I always bought mine from Alex's Cycle in Japan and even 
> they don't have it
> 2. regarding the manufacturability: "Is it just an incredibly 
> time-consuming rack, they only make a very small batch of them at a time?" 
>  I'm sure it is time consuming, and I expect it's just low priority 
> relative to other hot sellers.
> 3. Regarding the status of the 27F: "is the Campee 27F still the GROAT and 
> worth the wait?  I think it is indeed the superior front rack.  Whether 
> it's worth the wait depends on the person doing the waiting.  I think that 
> the best way to run the 27F is with rectangular panniers that are designed 
> to fit that same size and shape.  If you've already got "normal" looking 
> panniers from Ortlieb or similar, I think that's a weird looking setup.  I 
> personally have one pair of Ostrich and one pair of Carradice panniers to 
> run on my small collection of these Nitto front and rear racks.  I've got 2 
> of the 27F fronts, one of the more burly "Mt Campee" front I think they 
> call that the 20F.  I've also got two of the 700c rears, the 27R (or is it 
> R27?).  
>
> The only way to do it better IMO is a custom that copies the setup but in 
> lighter tubing or a more minimalist set of contact points designed around 
> the bike.  Those top notch rack makers are in a class by themselves.  Off 
> the shelf, the Nitto 27F is the business IMHO.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 6:44:22 AM UTC-7 andyree...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello group! 
>> I recently purchased the Nitto Mini Campee front rack for my rando bag 
>> with the idea of adding something like a TUBUS low rider or Marks Hub Area 
>> rack (MF2) for pannier- carrying come S24O time. 
>>
>> Then I remembered Nitto's most grandiose front rack, the Campee 27F and 
>> from my POV, that seems like the smartest, most elegant solution for a bike 
>> that will always carry a central bag with the option of adding panniers. 
>> The only rub is that rack is out of stock everywhere...it seems like Nitto 
>> might not even be making it anymore *(this is pure speculation but it 
>> also seems like VO dropped their front-camper rack as well)*. Any 
>> insights on this? Is it just an incredibly time-consuming rack, they only 
>> make a very small batch of them at a time? 
>>
>> The main reason why the Campee 27F is calling my name is that the 
>> low-rider racks are both modular AND angled. It doesn't seem like the MF2 
>> or Tubus offerings have that feature and I was wondering if anyone here 
>> feels a difference in ride-quality between angled and vertical low-rider 
>> panniers. 
>>
>> Would the Nitto Mini Campee and MF2 combo check all the boxes or is the 
>> Campee 27F still the GROAT and worth the wait? 
>>
>> - Andrew
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] rack for Wald 139

[Luke Hendrickson]

John-

That’s a great idea, especially since I hate using zip-ties. Do you ever 
have any basket shimmy where it moves around from being on rough terrain? I 
used some prototype straps from Matt at Pass & Stow to secure this basket 
to a five rail I have of his and it did that a lot. Admittedly, those were 
cloth rather than the rubber of Voilé straps.

Luke in San Francisco

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 7:38:44 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> After looking at Luke's basket setup, I was wondering if anyone else has 
> experienced their rack breaking apart due to the attachment with zip ties? 
> The wires in the base of my first Wald broke in many places, and I believe 
> it was the combination of rough riding and the zip tie attachments. 
>
> Since this first basket I have used Voile straps to attach my baskets to a 
> RBW52F on my Hunq and a mini-front 32F on the Atlantis. As a result the 
> racks still take the same abuse but no longer break. I'm guessing this has 
> to do with a little bit more flexibility in the Voile straps.
>
> Anyway, perhaps this might be a PSA of sorts. 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:19:50 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: image.jpg]
>>
>> Revisiting this. I second the choice of a Lucas and don’t think a narrow 
>> platform need be prohibitive. I just snagged a NOS Nitto Highrider (35F). I 
>> opted to zip-tie some 400mm Nitto rack struts along the bottom if my Wald 
>> to deal with that. Just a thought. 
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 8:49:52 AM UTC-7 clcocea...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I use the Sunlite and the Soma Champs Elysees for my 139. 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:29 PM J Schwartz  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings
>>>> I'm interested in racking my Wald 139 big basket and am curious what 
>>>> ppl are using for a rack.
>>>> I just got an email that the basket rack is back in stock at RBW, and 
>>>> I'm considering just buying it but I'm really just not onboard with 
>>>> spending $288 on a front rack despite how well it's made and special it 
>>>> is..  I may pull the trigger on it anyway but wanted to check here to see 
>>>> what users of the 139 are doing to attach it to the fronts of their bikes.
>>>> I already have an old Nitto R14 "Top Rack" that I know some people have 
>>>> used in the front and zipped a 139 on top.  Mine is older and doesn't have 
>>>> any diving board provisions so it's only 4 struts but I assume it's strong 
>>>> enough if installed well.   My intention was to use that rack on the rear 
>>>> of the bike though.
>>>> Any suggestions for a support for the 139 that isn't $288?
>>>> thanks
>>>> JS
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Suntour Power Thumb shifters, Deerhead shifters, or Rivendell silver thumb shifters

[Luke Hendrickson]

Here ya go, Igor :) 


On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 5:15:57 AM UTC-7 Igor wrote:

> Thank you 

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Re: [RBW] A College Clem

[Luke Hendrickson]

Do it!!! What a way for him to think of your father and remember him. 

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:56:15 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> DON'T DO IT !
>
> I am collectively in the same thought as the others before my post. Save 
> the Clem Smith Jr. "L"  for after his college years for him to thoroughly 
> appreciate it, as a graduation present.  
>
> Yes, the likelihood of it getting stolen is very high in a college 
> setting. Buy him a second hand bicycle to ride to college. If it does get 
> stolen, you will be heart-broken and have a very difficult time forgiving 
> yourself for allowing him to ride the Clem to college.  
>
> Rivendell bicycles are very special and their owners treat them well with 
> the utmost care. 
>
> *The Clem will not fit on the bicycle rack of a transit bus. It is nearly 
> 80" long.* 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 9:23:44 PM UTC-7 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> I'm going to go against others' strong opinions here. It probably depends 
>> on where exactly he's going, but a Riv can be fine on a college campus if 
>> he's careful. My Crust and Rivendell have both survived college campus life 
>> at the University of Montana with me. I've had to use all sorts of 
>> creativity for keeping them inside in Montana winters; they've ended up 
>> under my bed, hanging in a closet, in the garage at work, in my living room 
>> in the house I live in now, and the list goes on and on. When leaving them 
>> locked up, my thinking is that they don't look like fancy modern bikes that 
>> would be attractive to theives, and if they are locked well (I usually use 
>> two u-locks if leaving for more than a couple hours) then the theives will 
>> go for the abundance of basic modern mountain bikes locked with cables 
>> instead. It's worked well for me for the past three years, and I know 
>> several others who have ridden nice bikes on college campuses for many 
>> years. Lock it up well, don't completely ignore it and it'll be fine. And 
>> if it's not, then at least it was being loved and not just sitting around.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le sam. 5 août 2023 à 19:56, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>>> It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to 
>>> college in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves 
>>> buses, bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown 
>>> up riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
>>> doesn’t ride, sigh). 
>>>
>>> My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 
>>> 2020, and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into it. 
>>> I lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if 
>>> the bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained optimal height,” my son is fond 
>>> of saying… 
>>>
>>> Anyway, he’s 6’1” now (likely still growing) and I need him to decide if 
>>> he wants to stick with his old Clem H (that he was fond of) or settle into 
>>> this Clem L. Because whichever bike he chooses is getting new wheels, dyno 
>>> and fenders and going to college with him. At first he was opposed to the 
>>> idea of a new Clem; he liked his old Clem, thought it looked cool. But 
>>> after the - as he calls it - Big Bike was assembled, he really began to 
>>> like it. “It looks elegant,” he said. It really does, all long and lithe, 
>>> in blue and silver. He put his saddle and bags on the bike and we test rode 
>>> it tonight. He said, “I am really liking the Big Bike. I like that my knees 
>>> don’t have anything to hit (geez, were his knees hitting his bars?!) and it 
>>> looks elegant. It feels more at home now that I have my old saddle on it.” 
>>>
>>> I have mixed feelings about sending him to college with this bike, 
>>> because it’s so nice. I also doubt he’ll be able to get it on a bus bike 
>>> rack - and I have no idea how often he will want to do that. His bike life 
>>> is totally unknown at this point. All I know is that I’m getting him dyno 
>>> because the kid has never remembered to charge a light in his LIFE and I 
>>> will not sleep at night without it.The 52 takes 650b wheels and the 59 
>>> takes 700c, so I don’t want to buy the wheels until I know which bike he 
>>> really wants. But as of now, he wants his new bike.
>>>
>>> I know people will say we should just get a beater. I know why that 
>>> would be advisable, but I also hate to think of a Clem languishing when it 
>>> could be serving a noble purpose. I’d love for him and his Clem to journey 
>>> through undergrad together.
>>>
>>> I am wondering…has anyone gone to college or sent their kid to college 
>>> with a Clem? What do you have to say about it? Photos in the next post…
>>> Leah
>>>
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Re: [RBW] My first Rivendell/My first post

[Luke Hendrickson]

Congrats!!! I also saw my first Riv then (an Atlantis) and got it just a 
year ago. I happen to have that rd as well and it’s the coolest one around 
in my opinion.

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:13:23 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> That’s a beautiful Ram—I hope you enjoy it for many years! 
>
> Toshi in Oakland 
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:55 AM Anthony Beauchemin  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All! My name is Anthony and I've been a member of this group for a 
>> couple years now, but have never actually posted.
>> I just got my first Rivendell and that seemed like a good first post! 
>> It's a green Rambouillet and I'm stoked. The first time I ever saw a Riv 
>> was in 2007/8 when I bought a saddle off Craigslist and the seller rolled 
>> up on an orange Ram. It feels fitting that my first, and maybe only...who 
>> knows, Rivendell would be a Rambouillet. While I built it with stuff I had 
>> laying around, I took this opportunity to get a Suntour 3 pulley 
>> derailleur. Like the Riv, I always wanted one and now I have it! [image: 
>> IMG-5532.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Luke Hendrickson]

Matthew – this was the route 

 
I’d initially suggested :)

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:28:10 PM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> No worries. If somebody else decides a 10-15 mile ride I'll join for that. 
> Just post a time and place!
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:15 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Ooh! I love Three Bears! Unfortunately I am still recovering/getting back 
>> into shape. 
>>
>> I like the idea of stopping along the way for food and drinks. Luke, 
>> where was the ride you had planned?
>>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:23 PM, Dan Bluestein  wrote:
>>
>> I haven't ridden 3 Bears in a while -- if only I wasn't away this 
>> weekend. Next time, though!
>> --dan (Oakland)
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:03:23 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody want to do this ride tomorrow? - 
>>> https://bayareabikerides.net/the-three-bears/ 
>>>
>>> Was thinking the intermediate loop 28.5 miles? Start at 9:30 am?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 Diana H wrote:
>>>
 I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm 
 riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. 

 Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for 
 anything up to ~30 miles.

 Diana
 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here 
> somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if 
> anybody 
> wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:
>>
>>> First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the 
>>> Bay area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay 
>>> area 
>>> recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 
>>
>> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
>> https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
>> https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman 
>> called Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
>>
>> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly 
>> good and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he 
>> never saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company 
>> went 
>> under.
>>
>> Piaw
>>
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[RBW] Re: Patch or Replace a Tire?

[Luke Hendrickson]

I’d (unfortunately) suggest replacement in this case. 

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 10:59:17 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> As I was riding this evening, I saw shards of broken glass glittering in 
> the beam of my headlight but I wasn’t able to swerve out of the way. I 
> heard a small pop as my front wheel ran over the glass, then a loud 
> hiss-isss-isss-isss as the tube deflated and I rolled to a stop.
>
> “No problem,” I thought. “I’m only a block from home, and I can test the 
> patch kit I’ve been carrying.” At home, I removed the wheel and unmounted 
> the tire. The hole in the tube was about seven millimeters wide and I’d 
> already patched the tube twice, so I installed a new tube—but when I 
> remounted it and pumped up the tire, I saw the new tube was poking through 
> the hole in the tire! 
>
> On a car, a tire shop could simply install a patch on the inside of the 
> tire, but I’m wondering if the damage to the tire is too extensive to 
> repair. The tires (Panaracer Gravelking SKs) are nearly new and have fewer 
> than 100 miles on them—they still have the little “new tire hairs” and that 
> white waxy stuff.
>
> What’s the wisdom on this sort of tire damage? Can the tire be 
> patched—and if so, how? Or, do I need a new tire?
>
> As always, your wisdom, advice, and experience are greatly appreciated.
>
> [image: IMG_3219.jpg][image: IMG_3217.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Luke Hendrickson]

In the Mission now :)
On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 5:35:36 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> I’d love to get a ride in on Saturday, but I’d be on one of my Black 
> Mountains as my Atlantis is over at D&D for dent repair and repaint. 
>
> SF, Marin, East Bay, or South Bay works for me. I’m in Nob Hill.  Where’s 
> everyone else?
>
> Thanks,
> -Brendan Willard in SF
>
>
> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>
> On Aug 1, 2023, at 5:13 PM, Diana H  wrote:
>
> First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay 
> area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area 
> recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 
>
>
> Diana
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 4:23:01 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> All this talk of rides has me wanting a Bay Area meetup—let’s resurrect 
>> Luke’s idea!
>>
>> Where shall we meet and ride, and when?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 9:56 PM, Matthew Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
>> If my ride is back together and my knee is healed, count me in!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Brendan Willard  wrote:
>>
>> If I’m not getting too far ahead here, I’d love to look at another ride 2 
>> weeks after this one. I could do the 14th or 15th anywhere in the Bay Area. 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Brendan Willard
>> Owner/Winemaker
>> Phantômé Cellars
>>
>> phantomecellars.com 
>>
>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Me too!!! Sorry to miss it!!! 😞
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 7:32 PM Brendan Willard  wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a fun time! I’ll look forward to the next ride in the New 
>>> Year. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Brendan Willard
>>> Owner/Winemaker
>>> Phantômé Cellars
>>>
>>> phantomecellars.com 
>>>
>>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>>
>>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 6:34 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah shit… I’m out of town rn and didn’t bother to check! I guess New 
>>> Year’s Day then, huh?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 6:59:15 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is this rain or shine? Cuz this is what you're looking at for the next 
>>>> week. 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all!
>>>>>
>>>>> 10am meet on 12/31 at Coffee Movement (1737 Balboa) followed by a 
>>>>> 10:30am departure with potential stops at Golden Boy, Red’s Java, and 
>>>>> Farley’s (that’s the lil’ Potrero detour built into the ride) followed by 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> leisurely cruise to the top of Twin Peaks. Here’s the route 
>>>>> <https://onthegomap.com/s/2i5b54ko>. 
>>>>>
>>>>> The ride can of course continue after the end of the above suggested 
>>>>> course. Either way, the main point of this is to have a chill, friendly 
>>>>> meandering around the City before kicking off 2023.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel free to dm me with any questions!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:54:17 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew – sick!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicholas – you bet!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahmed – it’d be great to have you. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ll be posting a route, etc., in the next couple of days that’ll 
>>>>>> include a few chill hills and at least one coffee shop plus spots along 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> way for food. I’ve never planned a ride of this sort before so bear with 
>>>>>> me 
>>>>>> 😊
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m also leaning towards a NYE ride that’ll have us meeting up at 
>>>>>> 10:30 at a coffee shop and rolling out at 11 for a couple hours or so. 
>>>>>> Nothing too intense or crazy here.
>>>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:36:30 AM UTC-8 
>>>>>> aelga...@castilleja.org wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m in San Mateo but would be interested in joining in. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>

[RBW] Re: Dyno Refresh: Platypus Edition

[Luke Hendrickson]

I’m personally a fan of zip ties securing the rear dyno light cable to the 
downtube on my Riv. And for much the same reason as Dorothy: ease of 
at-home maintenance is greatly increased and the dyno cable will be 
stationary rather than move with each shift (however small).

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 12:05:17 PM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> I installed my dyno myself, so I don’t know how it is usually routed to 
> the back, I just thought it might get fiddly to change shifter cables, and 
> also that the back and forth motion might rub the rear light housing. My 
> IQX lights have the cables and housing integral to the front light body, I 
> think, so they aren’t easy to swap out if they get damaged. 
>
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 3:01:01 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I love my shop for many reasons but I give them 5 demerits for their dyno 
>> expertise. They assembled my Platypus in January 2022 and it was never 
>> strung up attractively, and then the rear light started shorting out, and 
>> then I paid for them to fix it a few times and then I gave up. I called 
>> Analog.
>>
>> Analog said send them the lights. They had to do extensive rewiring AND I 
>> had to get a new coaxial box because that was all corroded. I have no idea 
>> how I managed that after only one year, but we all have our talents.
>>
>> The lights came back to me today and I feel like the way I strung the 
>> wires looks pretty great, but we will have to see if function is as good as 
>> form. I have never, ever messed with dyno before, but I took photos of the 
>> bike from before and tried not to make it worse.
>>
>> Photos coming in the next post…
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell in The Radavist

[Luke Hendrickson]

Lovely, lovely bike. That’s the era of Riv that first got me hooked! I 
would like to ride something from that era to compare it to my super huge 
62cm MIT Atlantis.

On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 12:37:48 PM UTC-7 CJ wrote:

> New article today in The Radavist featuring a classic Riv:
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/i-dont-want-anything-thats-fast-the-bikes-of-spencer-connell/
>
> This strikes a chord with me because I have a Surly Krampus, I used to own 
> a Toyo Atlantis just like that one, and like the article's subject, I also 
> have little interest in the recent long chainstay Rivendells.
>
> CJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rebour saddle break in

[Luke Hendrickson]

+1 for the rec of Obenauf’s. If that saddle is anything like the Gilles 
Bethoud that I have (thicker, higher quality leather than contemporary 
Brooks), using Brooks saddle goop or something similar will not be good. 
It’ll overly soften it. Obenauf’s is wonderful and has made my GB the 
*absolute* pleasure that it is to ride now. Admittedly some 4500 miles have 
been put on this saddle since initial application so sweat, etc., has 
finished the job started by the conditioner. 

On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 6:31:03 AM UTC-7 Alex Wirth wrote:

> This saddle prob has 100 miles on it and still feels new.  Having a pretty 
> upright posture and approaching 200 lbs any of my brooks would be nice and 
> comfy by now.
>
> I think I’ll start by adding some proof hide to bottom…
>
> Wish me luck! 😅
>
> On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 7:39 AM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> It's nice that these saddles are being made again. My 3rd 73/74 Peugeot 
>> PX-10 bought in 1981 came with an Ideale 90 saddle; sometimes these bikes 
>> specced the Brooks Professional, which my first 2 had and sometimes the 
>> Ideale. Mine got caught in the rain numerous times and at one point, when 
>> my Peugeot was stored inside my downtown apartment and my son was 18 months 
>> to 2 years old I noticed the leather was drying out. No proofide to hand, 
>> but what I did have was Vaseline for diaper rash, so I applied a liberal 
>> coating to the top and underside of the saddle and blotted off the excess. 
>> Worked like a charm. The saddle, surprisingly, is still in great shape, 
>> although the labelling stamped into the leather has long since eroded after 
>> 40 years of benign neglect. I've proofided it every few years when I think 
>> of it. The 200+ price tag seems spendy, but if the quality of the leather 
>> used matches what I have, that saddle will last a long long time. I'm not 
>> sure the leather in modern saddles is as high quality. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 7:40:05 PM UTC-5 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Since the consistency of the color strongly suggests that this is a 
>>> brand-new Ideale 90 (an older one would have less even color, as a result 
>>> of decades of use), and would therefore be 1) newly made by the rebooted 
>>> company and 2) pricy (US $272 + shipping at today's conversion rate), have 
>>> you tried Ideale's saddle treatment (what they refer to as "maintenance 
>>> grease") and use instructions?
>>>
>>> https://www.sellesideale.fr/en/90-model/90-chromesteel-tan
>>>
>>> https://www.sellesideale.fr/en/care-instructions
>>>
>>> It's also possible that the Brooks v. Ideale factor comes into play 
>>> here. You don't say which model/s of Brooks you're accustomed to; there's a 
>>> wide range of variations over 100+ years. But generally, I have found all 
>>> Brooks saddles wider than the narrow "ass hatchet" models (B5N in 
>>> particular) to be wider than their analogous Ideale models. For me, this 
>>> has meant that I have an Ideale backside; my 1970s Rebour 90 and various 
>>> 60s-70s Ideale 80s fit me better than any Brooks model, even a 1973 Brooks 
>>> Professional which visually appears to have nearly the same shape as the 
>>> Ideale 90.
>>>
>>> It may be that you have a Brooks-friendly butt.
>>>
>>> The operators of the revived Ideale posted frequently to the Classic 
>>> Rendezvous group as they were starting up. Several CR members bought 
>>> saddles - both prototypes and release versions; they reported that the 
>>> Ideale people were excellent to deal with, and eager to offer assistance to 
>>> their users.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/classic-rendezvous-lightweight-vintage-bicycles/c/N3oWuQz4HYk/m/3ls2qc_YAQAJ
>>>
>>> Break-in treatments for leather saddles are a regular topic of 
>>> discussion there; as the Google Group's content is invisible to outsiders 
>>> (like iBOB; I'm not sure about RBWOB), it might be worth your while to 
>>> create an account. The website's in the process of a reboot, and the link 
>>> to request the webmaster/list administrator to be added to the forum has 
>>> not been made active yet; check back to https://classicrendezvous.com/ 
>>> in a few days.
>>>
>>> Peter "gonna buy one of those new Ideales, when my ship comes in" Adler
>>> riding on no-break-in Selle An-Atomicas most of the time in
>>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 2:43:47 PM UTC-7 Alex Wirth wrote:
>>>
>>> I usually don't add conditioner to my brooks saddles but this Rebour is 
>>> punishing my rear end like a cinder blockand looks like a newborn.
>>>
>>> Anyone have any sage advice other than some brooks saddle conditioner 
>>> and black shorts?
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG-9207.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Atlantis MIT 59cm or 62cm Frameset

[Luke Hendrickson]

Randy – love to hear that! This bike’s been a wonderful dirt road shredder 
over the last year. Stoked to see how you build yours up. 

On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Luke! Your Atlantis is part of the inspiration for this idea.
> Randy in WI
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 5:53:53 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: R0004684.jpeg]
>>
>> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:53:05 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> I have the current MIT and I have Conti Mountain Kings which are a plump 
>>> 2.3”
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:26:51 PM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have the previous version of the Appaloosa, which clearance in 
>>>> reality is about 700x50. I tried 2.1” WTB Nano on Cliffhanger rims and 
>>>> wore 
>>>> some paint off the chainstay in moderately muddy conditions. I would like 
>>>> to run a 2.2/2.3” tire with decent clearance-maybe the Atlantis is not the 
>>>> right choice? I thought 2.3” worked on Atlantis. The 62cm Appaloosa fits 
>>>> me 
>>>> perfectly and I love the way it rides (tire clearance being the only 
>>>> concern).
>>>> Thank you for the input.
>>>> Randy in WI
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:17:34 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not to complicate anything, but basis 2023 specs, the MIT Atlantis 
>>>>> seems to take the same maximum ~55m tire size. The current spec sheet 
>>>>> says 
>>>>> the Appaloosa tops out at 60cm; the Atlantis 62cm, so maybe the frame 
>>>>> size 
>>>>> of your Appaloosa is the issue? 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW_Bicycle_Geometry_Table_-_May_2023.pdf?v=1687890742
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 9:52:39 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking far an Atlantis to set up for dirt road exploring and 
>>>>>> touring. I have an Appaloosa, but looking for bigger tire clearance.
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Randy in WI
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Atlantis MIT 59cm or 62cm Frameset

[Luke Hendrickson]

I have the current MIT and I have Conti Mountain Kings which are a plump 
2.3”

On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 1:26:51 PM UTC-7 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> I have the previous version of the Appaloosa, which clearance in reality 
> is about 700x50. I tried 2.1” WTB Nano on Cliffhanger rims and wore some 
> paint off the chainstay in moderately muddy conditions. I would like to run 
> a 2.2/2.3” tire with decent clearance-maybe the Atlantis is not the right 
> choice? I thought 2.3” worked on Atlantis. The 62cm Appaloosa fits me 
> perfectly and I love the way it rides (tire clearance being the only 
> concern).
> Thank you for the input.
> Randy in WI
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:17:34 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Not to complicate anything, but basis 2023 specs, the MIT Atlantis seems 
>> to take the same maximum ~55m tire size. The current spec sheet says the 
>> Appaloosa tops out at 60cm; the Atlantis 62cm, so maybe the frame size of 
>> your Appaloosa is the issue? 
>>
>>
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW_Bicycle_Geometry_Table_-_May_2023.pdf?v=1687890742
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 9:52:39 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Looking far an Atlantis to set up for dirt road exploring and touring. I 
>>> have an Appaloosa, but looking for bigger tire clearance.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Randy in WI
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Stolen custom 1995 Rivendell Road Standard (San Francisco)

[Luke Hendrickson]

Shit… well I’ll keep an eye out as I cruise through the Mission on my way 
to work tomorrow and each day thereafter. I’m so sorry.

On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 11:03:19 PM UTC-7 Adrianna T wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> With a sad face I’m writing to say all the bikes in my building got stolen 
> today, including my beloved Riv. 
>
> Some of you helped me plan and figure out how to build it up some time 
> ago. 
>
> This is what it ended up looking like: 
>
> If you come across any of it (including just the frame) I’d be very glad 
> to hear from you. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Shifters - UNO shifter

[Luke Hendrickson]

Steve – about to head into the office. I’ll have an answer for you on both 
fronts by this evening!
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 6:00:06 AM UTC-7 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Luke, I've got a couple for you - questions, that is.
>
> Will the Uno lever mount on a Shimano compatable Paul Thumbie ?I'm 
> thinking of replacing my current 11 speed Microshift. lever which I run 
> mounted on the Thumbie.  
>
> Also, what is the length of the Uno lever measured from say the pivot 
> point to the tip?
>
> I'm very interested in trying the lever, but with its premium price I 
> hesitate to make the investment without knowing a bit more info than what 
> the Soma website provides. 
>
> Thanks!
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 12:20:28 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> You can use a 11s chain or a 12s chain if you so choose! Also, I work 
>> there (Merry/Soma) so feel free to hit me with questions. 
>>
>> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 4:43:41 PM UTC-7 Stephanie A. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking forward to reading how you like it. The spouse wants more 
>>> gears and the fastest way to do it is to get him a 10- or 11-speed cassette 
>>> and a friction shifter since his Breezer Downtown EX came as a 1x8.
>>> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 6:12:15 PM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Max,
>>>>
>>>> I saw the video where Russ announced this, and was also curious as I've 
>>>> got an 11sp Cassette in my parts bin with no current home. 
>>>>
>>>> I do think you need an 11sp chain, as the chain width and cassette 
>>>> spacing work most natively together. You may be able to get away with a 
>>>> 10sp chain depending on the company, so if you've got one it could be 
>>>> worth 
>>>> a try. 
>>>>
>>>> Primary difference between the Microshift and the Uno is the ratchet. 
>>>> I've got the microshift 11sp shifter on my gevanalle brifters and it works 
>>>> fine in index but the friction setting is a little frustrating without the 
>>>> ratchet. That paired with the fact that the Uno looks classy makes me feel 
>>>> like you still made the right call... especially for a Riv.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that's helpful!
>>>>
>>>> - Drew
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 2:51:40 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone tried the UNO? 
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't know what I'm talking about check out this video from 
>>>>> Russ at The Path Less Pedaled. 
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skKA6FwrIjQ> The shifter is a 
>>>>> collaboration between Soma, DiaCompe and Russ.  It's a friction shifter 
>>>>> that should take anything you throw at it including 11 or 12 speed, MTB 
>>>>> or 
>>>>> Road drivetrains. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I got to it because I'm considering a 1x set up on one of my bikes and 
>>>>> I want maximum flexibility and compatibility to allow me to use a clutch 
>>>>> and a SRAM RD if I choose to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I've been fighting a CX-70 FD paired with White Industries 2x9 
>>>>> setup on my Hunqapillar. No matter how much I adjust it or how much I 
>>>>> trim, 
>>>>> certain combinations (of the ones I actually use) always have some rub. 
>>>>> I'm 
>>>>> still trying to get my hands on an IRD Sub-C FD which might allow me to 
>>>>> keep the current setup (I love the gearing I have with 42/24 chainrings 
>>>>> and 
>>>>> a 11-40 cassette) but I might want to switch things up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Long story short I bit the bullet and got an UNO. It feels really 
>>>>> solid and the ratchet sounds great. Also take a look, the thing is 
>>>>> massive 
>>>>> compared to a Silver2:
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_0495.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>> For my 1x I'm considering using a Shimano SLX M7000 11 Speed 11-40 
>>>>> cassette that I already have in my parts box. And I'll probably pair that 
>>>>> with a SRAM GX 10-Speed RD.
>>>>>
>>>>> The question for the group is: do I need to use an 11 speed chain 
>>>>> given the 11 speed cassette?
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and now I'm wondering, is the UNO just a fancy version of this 
>>>>> Microshift shifter 
>>>>> <https://crustbikes.com/products/microshift-12-speed-bar-end-shifter> 
>>>>> which 
>>>>> I hadn't seen but just found on Crust's website?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Max in rainy Boston
>>>>>
>>>>> PS. They are available here from Soma 
>>>>> <https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/590713-ene-ciclo-uno-bar-end-shifter-rear-only-12-sp-8272?category=961#attr=>
>>>>>  for 
>>>>> a pretty penny if you want to get one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Shifters - UNO shifter

[Luke Hendrickson]

You can use a 11s chain or a 12s chain if you so choose! Also, I work there 
(Merry/Soma) so feel free to hit me with questions. 

On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 4:43:41 PM UTC-7 Stephanie A. wrote:

> I'm looking forward to reading how you like it. The spouse wants more 
> gears and the fastest way to do it is to get him a 10- or 11-speed cassette 
> and a friction shifter since his Breezer Downtown EX came as a 1x8.
> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 6:12:15 PM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Max,
>>
>> I saw the video where Russ announced this, and was also curious as I've 
>> got an 11sp Cassette in my parts bin with no current home. 
>>
>> I do think you need an 11sp chain, as the chain width and cassette 
>> spacing work most natively together. You may be able to get away with a 
>> 10sp chain depending on the company, so if you've got one it could be worth 
>> a try. 
>>
>> Primary difference between the Microshift and the Uno is the ratchet. 
>> I've got the microshift 11sp shifter on my gevanalle brifters and it works 
>> fine in index but the friction setting is a little frustrating without the 
>> ratchet. That paired with the fact that the Uno looks classy makes me feel 
>> like you still made the right call... especially for a Riv.
>>
>> Hope that's helpful!
>>
>> - Drew
>>
>> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 2:51:40 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone tried the UNO? 
>>>
>>> If you don't know what I'm talking about check out this video from Russ 
>>> at The Path Less Pedaled.  The 
>>> shifter is a collaboration between Soma, DiaCompe and Russ.  It's a 
>>> friction shifter that should take anything you throw at it including 11 or 
>>> 12 speed, MTB or Road drivetrains. 
>>>
>>> I got to it because I'm considering a 1x set up on one of my bikes and I 
>>> want maximum flexibility and compatibility to allow me to use a clutch and 
>>> a SRAM RD if I choose to.
>>>
>>> Also, I've been fighting a CX-70 FD paired with White Industries 2x9 
>>> setup on my Hunqapillar. No matter how much I adjust it or how much I trim, 
>>> certain combinations (of the ones I actually use) always have some rub. I'm 
>>> still trying to get my hands on an IRD Sub-C FD which might allow me to 
>>> keep the current setup (I love the gearing I have with 42/24 chainrings and 
>>> a 11-40 cassette) but I might want to switch things up.
>>>
>>> Long story short I bit the bullet and got an UNO. It feels really solid 
>>> and the ratchet sounds great. Also take a look, the thing is massive 
>>> compared to a Silver2:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0495.jpeg]
>>>
>>> For my 1x I'm considering using a Shimano SLX M7000 11 Speed 11-40 
>>> cassette that I already have in my parts box. And I'll probably pair that 
>>> with a SRAM GX 10-Speed RD.
>>>
>>> The question for the group is: do I need to use an 11 speed chain given 
>>> the 11 speed cassette?
>>>
>>> Oh, and now I'm wondering, is the UNO just a fancy version of this 
>>> Microshift shifter 
>>>  which 
>>> I hadn't seen but just found on Crust's website?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Max in rainy Boston
>>>
>>> PS. They are available here from Soma 
>>> 
>>>  for 
>>> a pretty penny if you want to get one.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Let’s say I made my Clem into a “gravel bike”

[Luke Hendrickson]

YMMV here, but this is my current set up:
[image: 7F63B197-E2BE-4697-A177-253ACDF159D0.jpeg]

I have mtb bars (bullmoose) with comfy grips (Oury) and easy-to-access 
shifters along with levers set up for two-finger braking. Admittedly, my 
Riv is more mtb than gravel what with 2.3” downhill 29” tires, but I like a 
plush ride. Tire pressure will matter more than tread most times except for 
in mud. I’ve run fenders on gravel and don’t mind the pinging of rocks, 
however I truly *suck* with setting up fenders and so rubbing always occurs.

I run Conti Mountain Kings now (I switched from the Minions in this photo 
shortly after taking it), but I would rec Schwalbe G-One Allrounds over 
most anything, especially those in the Evolution compound. I ride a lot of 
road to my rides and love how fast they feel. 

Lastly, I run tubes mostly cause tires this wide don’t pinch flat and the 
tires I run trend tougher rather than more supple. I also need worry less 
about those sidewall lacerations I was so plagued by with RH rubber. I run 
35-40psi with 2.3” tires since I weigh 190lbs. and my bike loaded as you 
see above is about 50lbs.

Again, this is my personal fave set up and how I do things having also 
ridden cx bikes with 38mm knobbies set up tubeless with drop bars all over 
gnarly stuff in Marin.

On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 3:43:09 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:

> I used to ride the Almanzo 100 annually and introduced many people to 
> gravel over the past decade or so.
>
> The Clem should be a great bike so long as you are committed to being 
> upright.  For big rides drops are nice to get down and out of the wind, but 
> not a need just to enjoy being on roads less travelled.  Long wheelbase and 
> stability of the Clem is great.
>
> I have not ridden gravel much with fenders but based on your tires 
> comments, the fender size seems suitable.
>
> I like small knobs and fast tires.  Rene Herse or Schwalbe Racing Ralphs 
> as examples of what I am running etc.
>
> If you are new to gravel or off road and 42 is not feeling confident, 48 
> seems like a great spot for you and still in your fender range.
>
> I still ride tubes for road and gravel.  I only ride tubeless for mountain 
> biking.  No wrong answer really IMHO.
>
> Enjoy the ride and shiny side up...
>
> On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 3:15:22 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I love pavement. But I’ve been on two gravel rides in the last month and 
>> I rode a Platy either time and it wasn’t my favorite for that bike. But, I 
>> have my old 2019 52 cm Clem L, and it doesn’t have a dedicated purpose 
>> right now and shouldn’t that be the bike for rough and tough stuff like 
>> gravel? Also, my Platys are prisses. 
>>
>> BUT. I’m not good at gravel. I have no idea what the kids are doing these 
>> days. I have questions, and you have answers.
>>
>> 1. Can I keep my VO wavy fenders on a gravel bike? Here’s what I have, 
>> and they say up to 50 mm tire will fit:[image: IMG_5029.jpeg]
>> 2. Slick or knobby? I can’t even get a straight answer on this. Which is 
>> better? If it matters about the rider, this will be for a rider with a 
>> healthy fear of crashing.
>>
>> 3. How wide? I have 42s on my bikes now and I don’t feel like they are 
>> wide enough. 
>>
>> 4. Tubeless or no? These wheels are tubeless-compatible but I put a tube 
>> in them because I wasn’t riding enough to keep the sealant circulating. But 
>> that can be changed right quick.
>>
>> Here is my Clem in its current configuration, and yes, I know the 
>> Backabikes gotta go. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_1812.jpeg]
>> Thanks for your help!
>> Leah 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT: Berthoud saddle anti-twist clamp

[Luke Hendrickson]

I have an old Berthoud from the first 400 made and faced the same issue. I 
emailed Berthoud direct and they were willing to ship one via the post at 
no cost to me. I just explained that I had an older one without the clamp 
and they obliged. Hope that helps!

On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 5:56:32 PM UTC-5 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Howdy folks
>
> I’m looking for one of these for a didn't-come-with-one older but lightly 
> used Berthoud saddle.  As far as I can tell, it is not currently available 
> in the U.S. and shipping from Europe quadruples the price :^(  Please give 
> me a holler if you have one that you aren’t using or know of an economical 
> source...
>
> Thanks, Doug
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show Me Your Atlantis!

[Luke Hendrickson]

Vern! So lovely.

Luke also in San Francisco

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 8:26:48 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com wrote:

> Brief update after some spring cleaning. Rich built up a nice new set of 
> wheels with a generator hub to power the front light. I am figuring out 
> what to do about the cable still. Zip ties will do for now. Looking at the 
> fork it kind of reminds me of some funky racing stripes, anyway. Tips are 
> encouraged! 
>  
> [image: thumbnail_IMG_0123.jpg]
>
> Enjoy the ride,
> Vern in San Francisco
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:41:28 PM UTC-7 Dean Henderson wrote:
>
>> From November, 2022... Got the frame in January 2020 and finished enough 
>> to ride in October 2022. 
>>
>> [image: Rivendell Atlantis.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:45:14 PM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Love that brown Atlantis and, yes, beautiful build. Here's my 2005 Toyo 
>>> Atlantis on the Sky Islands East route yesterday. 
>>> [image: IMG_0314.jpeg]
>>> Cheers, John
>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 2:01:15 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>>>
 Thanks again Jim, I have been enjoying it so much!

 On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 1:53:52 PM UTC-7 Jim S. wrote:

> Jamin, i love the build! Glad it found a good home!
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 15:17 jamin orrall  wrote:
>
>> Loving these new additions! here is mine! Waterford built.[image: 
>> 05810023 Large.jpeg][image: 05810020 Large.jpeg][image: 
>> 05810022 Large.jpeg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 9:20:22 AM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Enjoying this thread.  Here is my new Atlantis on its first ride, 
>>> March 30.  It is from the most recent batch of Atlantis frames.  I 
>>> collected parts slowly, built it up in super slow motion, and it felt 
>>> great 
>>> on that first ride.  Expecting a set of dyno lights from Peter White 
>>> any 
>>> day now.  A couple old parts found their way on: a new old stock Deore 
>>> XT 
>>> M750 rear hub and a Suntour thumb shifter.  
>>>
>>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9544(1).jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_0012(1).jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Clickers for Jim cassettes

[Luke Hendrickson]

Ha! I love that set up. I have full friction on my Riv but friction front 
and indexed rear on my Soma which is pleasant and very, very easy to use. 

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 10:19:47 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It's so...*normal. *My fancy schmancy custom now has a 
> click-rear/friction-front 7-speed drivetrain just like my bikes from 30 
> years ago! I'm kinda surprised how much I like it. 
>
> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 9:57:54 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> S-Ride stuff is great for the price! Admittedly I just started working 
>> for Jim at Merry Sales/Soma Fab so take that with a grain of salt…
>>
>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:18:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I mentioned this on my immediately irrelevant "Double 1x" thread cuz I 
>>> pulled that drivetrain, but nobody's going to read it there. You can read 
>>> it here! 
>>>
>>> If friction isn't your thing but you like the idea of those 7-speed Jim 
>>> cassettes, S Ride makes a cheap and functional trigger shifter for it. Save 
>>> weight and money with a plastic shifter! 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clickers for Jim cassettes

[Luke Hendrickson]

S-Ride stuff is great for the price! Admittedly I just started working for 
Jim at Merry Sales/Soma Fab so take that with a grain of salt…

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:18:57 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I mentioned this on my immediately irrelevant "Double 1x" thread cuz I 
> pulled that drivetrain, but nobody's going to read it there. You can read 
> it here! 
>
> If friction isn't your thing but you like the idea of those 7-speed Jim 
> cassettes, S Ride makes a cheap and functional trigger shifter for it. Save 
> weight and money with a plastic shifter! 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[Luke Hendrickson]

Dave -

I guess my comment might have led you to believe that I have a tough guy 
mechanic attitude which just isn’t the case. I have over-torqued lockrings, 
but it’s easy to back off and the issue of over-torquing isn’t dire like 
with over-torquing a threaded bb (I always use a torque wrench for that).

Be that as it may, most (not all) bike mechanics I’ve met are not tough 
guys looking to prove a point. My aim with my comment was to share my 
opinion that most hobbyists spend too much time faffing with tools and 
buying tools when that often isn’t needed/is overly expensive. 

Luke, a sensitive, approachable bike mechanic who wishes to lower the 
economic entry point for at-home mechanics as much as possible
On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 4:19:20 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

> 40Nm doesn’t seem crazy high in practice. I regularly use a torque wrench 
> to reach that cassette lockring value. And yet the ring is typically quite 
> easy to take off, with greased threads of course.
>
> While most of us have a good feel for the needed tightness of various bike 
> threads, I often prefer a torque wrench since it gets me closer to exact 
> than hand feel might. For me, the higher the required Nm value, like a 
> lockring’s 40Nm, the more difficult it can be to get exact (or close to) 
> without a torque wrench.
>
> Dave, who sometimes gets the impression that some bike mechanics think 
> working without a torque wrench is somehow more masculine 
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 3:43 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I just installed one tonight by feel and noted the torque recommended is 
>> 40Nm, that seems crazy high. I hope I never have to remove one torqued to 
>> that number!
>>
>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:25:50 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for cassettes and tighten 
>>> by feel. A torque wrench isn’t a must for everything in my experience. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: 30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.png]Adam,
>>>>
>>>> I just purchased the attached which can be had for about $40-50.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand not to have things 
>>>>> riding shape) and the case is closed for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a few bits of 
>>>>> aluminum, which I cleaned off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased, 
>>>>> re-installed and took it a little easier on the tightening. All seems 
>>>>> good 
>>>>> to ride.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks all!
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling my procress is to give 
>>>>>> it a good extra tug after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start and 
>>>>>> call 
>>>>>> it a day. I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones and it ain't 
>>>>>> pretty! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring now, while the grease is 
>>>>>>> fresh. I've always erred on the side of not tight enough with lockrings 
>>>>>>> because if they do unscrew in use the only thing that has happened for 
>>>>>>> me 
>>>>>>> is the shifting has gone weird.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you unscrew it, just be careful the removal tool is firmly 
>>>>>>> seated. If needed and just to get it broken loose, you could use a QR 
>>>>>>> and a 
>>>>>>> couple of washers to make sure it can't slip and strip the female 
>>>>>>> splines 
>>>>>>> on the lockring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IanA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Asking for thoughts on a silly mistake that I made last night.
>>>>>>>>
>>>&g

[RBW] Re: lock ring too tight

[Luke Hendrickson]

Also… we don’t use a torque wrench at my shop for cassettes and tighten by 
feel. A torque wrench isn’t a must for everything in my experience. 

On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 12:24:31 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: 30E3AEA4-5CBE-428E-9C34-ECC1F1826857.png]Adam,
>
> I just purchased the attached which can be had for about $40-50.
>
> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 10:47:06 AM UTC-7 Adam wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone,
>>
>> I managed to make time to sort it out (can't stand not to have things 
>> riding shape) and the case is closed for now.
>>
>> It came off with a bit of a struggle. There were a few bits of aluminum, 
>> which I cleaned off. Everything looks fine, so I re-greased, re-installed 
>> and took it a little easier on the tightening. All seems good to ride.
>>
>> Thanks all!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 12:34:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed with Ian, when it comes to reinstalling my procress is to give it 
>>> a good extra tug after the clattering "it's tight" sounds start and call it 
>>> a day. I've tried removing the way-too-tight ones and it ain't pretty! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd be inclined to unscrew the lockring now, while the grease is fresh. 
>>>> I've always erred on the side of not tight enough with lockrings because 
>>>> if 
>>>> they do unscrew in use the only thing that has happened for me is the 
>>>> shifting has gone weird.  
>>>>
>>>> When you unscrew it, just be careful the removal tool is firmly seated. 
>>>> If needed and just to get it broken loose, you could use a QR and a couple 
>>>> of washers to make sure it can't slip and strip the female splines on the 
>>>> lockring.
>>>>
>>>> IanA
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 30, 2023 at 8:06:35 AM UTC-6 Adam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking for thoughts on a silly mistake that I made last night.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was in the process of replacing a cassette (had not tried this 
>>>>> myself before) and I cranked way too hard on a fairly long wrench and 
>>>>> over-tightened the lock ring. It dug into the cassette and produced some 
>>>>> little shards. (I did grease the threads, and don't think it's 
>>>>> cross-threaded, all was fine until the END)
>>>>>
>>>>> The question: does it make better sense to try to fix this now (loosen 
>>>>> and re-tighten), or should I just save this problem for an older, wiser 
>>>>> me 
>>>>> in a year or two when I change the cassette again?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know I should get a torque wrench, but . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> THANKS!
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Sinewave Cycles Beacon 2 Dynamo Light, or reviews

[Luke Hendrickson]

That light is gorgeous however that was my concern, too: beam pattern. I 
prefer the more European beam pattern of either the Son Edelux or the Busch 
+ Mueller IQ-X (B+M makes the mirror for the Edelux, too). More American 
lights with their conical beams… not to my taste and seemingly very 
inefficient. 

On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 12:43:12 PM UTC-7 brizbarn wrote:

> Thanks for the replies.  I mainly am interested in the Beacon 2 light for 
> the clean look in a good light with built-in USB charging. My setup with 
> the Reactor charger worked pretty well though, unfortunately my light broke 
> and I need a new one.  I emailed Sinewave a while back and they said that 
> the preorder is more like reserving your spot in line, they are currently 
> producing Beacon 2's in small numbers and shipping them in order of 
> purchase date.  
>
> The beam pattern is interesting to think about.  I imagine if you just 
> point the light down a bit it would be fine for commuting (not blinding to 
> oncoming riders/drivers), which is where I would use the light most often, 
> but maybe I'm mistaken. 
>
> It sounds like the charging issues would be worked out in the version 2. I 
> actually use a small portable charger rather than charge straight to my 
> iPhone from my Sinewave Reactor.  It helps keep the iPhone screen from 
> turning on (like what happens when you unplug your iPhone from a wall 
> charger) every time I slow down too much to produce a charge.  This setup 
> works well enough for me, but I wish I could set my iPhone to not have the 
> screen turn on when it stops charging, and avoid needing the battery 
> charger.
>
> Maybe a light with a focused beam (one that lights up just the ground) and 
> a UBS charger built in would be better for my use, but I don't know of any. 
>  Kinda surprised there isn't more options out there. 
>
> Attached is a pic of how I had my Reactor set up with my now broken light.
> [image: IMG_9275.JPG][image: IMG_9274.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 6:42:15 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My experience is only with the V.1 Beacon, and I must admit it has been a 
>> bit disappointing to me, so I’m hoping some of the shortcomings have been 
>> improved in this new version. Like Jeff mentioned, it just kinda blasts a 
>> lot of light out, unfocused, so it’s best for off-road riding. Personally, 
>> I’d prefer a focused beam for both paved and off-road. I’ve found the USB 
>> charging feature to be practically useless for my needs. I could ride all 
>> day with a smartphone plugged in, and I’d be lucky if my battery percentage 
>> went up more than 3-4%. When I tried to charge my Garmin Edge Explore, it 
>> made my device freak out so bad, I thought I’d damaged it. When I contacted 
>> the owner of Sinewave about this, he said he was aware that certain Garmin 
>> devices didn’t work well with the Beacon’s charger. So, the two devices I 
>> bought the light to work with won’t work with it. I’ve heard it’s best to 
>> use it to trickle charge a separate battery bank, but those are so powerful 
>> these days, I can practically go 3-4 days on a bike trip, charging my 
>> devices as needed on a full charged bank. So I basically have a really 
>> expensive, gorgeous, very well-constructed dyno light that only really does 
>> one thing well, and that’s blast out a lot of light. I really wanted to 
>> love it, but I’m way happier with my Edelux II on my other bike.
>>
>> I know it’s a popular light and works great for a lot of people in 
>> certain situations. I’m curious to know if the V.2 Beacon is a significant 
>> improvement over the issues I had with it, but it would probably take a lot 
>> to convince me to try another one.
>>
>> -B
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Jeffrey Arita  wrote:
>>
>> We've got two (his/her) Beacon V.1's.  Purchased 1st quarter 2017.  Both 
>> worked okay until one of them has issues with all of the LEDs firing up 
>> upon faster speeds.  Worked with the Owner and he stands behind his 
>> products.  Around that same time I asked him if he were going to consider 
>> making a focused lens option (StVZO).  At that time he (unfortunately) said 
>> 'no.'  IMHO, if he were to do so, he could sell a lot of these units to 
>> randonneurs and cyclotourists alike.
>>
>>
>> The Version 1 works quite well.  At low speeds only 1 or 2 of the LEDs 
>> light up.  As speed increases, the third LED lights up.  The lens is 
>> unfocused, so it is pretty decent if you are off-road on dirt roads.  The 
>> USB output is integrated into the chassis (obviously power limited via the 
>> dynamo).  There is a second way to power up the light - you simply plug in 
>> a USB power source - excellent when you get to a campground after dark and 
>> you need to light up your camping spot (or if you want to power the light 
>> without the dynamo).  Well thought-out.  If only there was a StVZO lens 
>> *option*, I think it would be perfect.
>>
>> Note: the USB power outpu

Re: [RBW] Atlantis touch-up paint

[Luke Hendrickson]

Y’all are wonderful! TYSM.
On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 1:26:06 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> ModelMaster 2135 Interior Blue Green is, as others have noted, known as 
> “Soviet Military Interior.” Here are some equivalents/options but I cannot 
> vouch for the accuracy of the color match:
>
> XtraColor X629: Soviet Interior Blue/Green (enamel)
>
> Gunze Sangyo Mr. Color C391: Interior Turquoise Green Soviet (enamel, Liz 
> found it first!)
>
> MRP-001: Russian Cockpit Turquoise (acrylic lacquer)
>
> https://hobbyworld-usa.com/en/mrp-mr-paint/2125-mrp-russian-turquoise-green-cockpit-color-001.html
>
> AK Interactive AKI RC206 (lacquer)
>
> https://www.scalehobbyist.com/manufacturers/AK_Interactive/Paints/russian-cockpit-turquoise/AKI000RC206/product.php?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2023, at 12:06 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
> Also interested should anyone know!
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 8:50:46 AM UTC-7 oldandin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm seeing testors has discontinued their paints, and they had the exact 
>> match to the Atlantis green color. Does anyone know any alternative 
>> touch-up paint options? Thanks!
>>
>> Nick
>>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis touch-up paint

[Luke Hendrickson]

Also interested should anyone know!

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 8:50:46 AM UTC-7 oldandin...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm seeing testors has discontinued their paints, and they had the exact 
> match to the Atlantis green color. Does anyone know any alternative 
> touch-up paint options? Thanks!
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Your preferred pressure for 60 mm tires for all-round riding?

[Luke Hendrickson]

I’m about 195 lbs., my bike is about 40 lbs., and I run nearly 60mm (57mm). 
30 psi is what I’ve settled on for all terrains,  but I’m sure 25 psi would 
fly. I mostly don’t wish to push my luck given my weight. 

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 9:45:52 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I have been religiously pumping my gossamer 70C X 60 Big Ones to 20 psi 
> for combined pavement and dirt, thinking that ~20 was necessary to minimize 
> wallow on paved corners, but on an extended dirt ride today on usually 
> sandy soil that had been extensively compacted by moisture and then chopped 
> up by horses and Conservancy District trucks, 20 felt like wood rims on 
> railroad ties, so I dropped both tires to ~16. That did mitigate the chop 
> (tho' little really makes horse hoof divots and washboard comfortable 
> except suspension) and observing carefully during cornering on pavement at 
> speed I didn't notice as much wallow as I had feared. Me 170 clothed and 
> shod for cool weather, bike and kit and bags and contents adding another 45 
> lb or so.
>
> So I'm curious: Those of you who use 60 mm tires: what pressure or 
> pressures, and on what surfaces? And how much do you and kit weigh?
>
> Funny: I'd been riding the lightweight fixie gofast with Naches Passes at 
> 39 mm (skinny rims) and 30-35 psi on the same roads and found that they 
> were at least slightly smoother on the chop than the BOs at 20. The NPs are 
> far less gossamer light per unit vol than the Big Ones.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Sharing your winter ride photos northern hemisphere Spring 2023

[Luke Hendrickson]

Thanks much, Ted! The 50mm tires make a difference even though nothing is 
as plush as my Atlantis with 57mm G-Ones. 

Takashi – I concur with Ted. Lovely, idyllic snaps there. Can’t wait to see 
more from your part of the world. 

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:54:30 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> Luke - FUN looking Wolverine!
> Takashi - wow, it's going to be hard to top that for Spring photos!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee Wisconsin USA
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[RBW] Re: Question - when did derailleurs become "mechs"?

[Luke Hendrickson]

I’ve been wondering the same thing. I don’t hear anyone in the shop where I 
work (customer or mechanic) refer to them as such. I assume it’s a trend?

Luke
Old at heart in San Francisco

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 11:36:50 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> In 54 years of working on bicycles with derailleurs, I had never used or 
> heard them referred to as "mechs" until the last year or so. Where did this 
> come from? Does it only refer to non-electronic derailleurs?
>
> Laing
> Old guy in Delray Beach FL
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Re: [RBW] WTB - John’s Strap

[Luke Hendrickson]

The Captain Hook net from Riv is very nice, too. +3 for Voilé straps!

On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 10:05:51 PM UTC-7 Robert Tilley wrote:

> I use Rok Straps a lot on my cargo bike to secure loads. They stretch 
> nicely and cinch down securely. I’ve never had one slip. They come in a 
> variety of sizes and are relatively cheap. You can get them with reflective 
> thread which is nice at night.
>
> I believe they were developed for motorcycle use so perfect on a bicycle 
> as well.
>
> [image: 
> 61eyLz1m9EL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFIVE,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA1%2C263,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>
> ROK Straps ROK-10358 Black/Reflective 12" - 42" Pack Adjustable Stretch 
> Strap 
> 
> amazon.com 
> 
>
> 
>
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 20, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Keith P.  wrote:
>
> Hey gang,
>
>
> I’m fed up with not having a few good straps around for maintenance and 
> securing cargo.
>
> Does anyone have any John’s straps in irish or watermelon to spare?
>
> I would love to purchase a couple if they are out there. 
>
> Also, if anyone has other strap recommendations or favorite solutions, I 
> would love to hear your thoughts.
>
> Thanks!
> K.
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[RBW] Re: Hillibikers - do you stand and pedal?

[Luke Hendrickson]

Much of what’s been said is why I run the Nitto Bullmoose bars on my 
Atlantis. It feels swept back enough and I can still get a more 
‘aggressive’ riding position should I wish to do so. 

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 6:06:57 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> [image: Clementine2344.jpg]
>
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts so far everyone! 
>
> Tom - Here is a pic of my setup. Im trying not to fiddle with the build 
> too much at this point. 
>
> Garth - I actually really like this bike and find it extremely 
> comfortable, just a different style of riding. I tend to sit and climb on 
> most of my bikes I've owned. I was just curious because the arrangement is 
> considerably different than a traditional geometry bike and riding style. 
>
> Kim - I find it similar. Especially fast descending feels great standing. 
> Eventually I sit back down and spin away. haha 
>
> I do find Loscos a bit more ergonomic for an aggressive forward position 
> with a lesser bend and have considered trying a swap - but the bar end 
> shifter always makes me put it off. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:41:07 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hmm, I guess I could grab the low flats up front on the Bosco for 
>> standing, I hadn't thought of that. It would be similar to a flatbar 
>> mountain bike. I'll try it! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:21:00 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> That's pretty aggressive Garth, I don't think Mackenzy signed up for 
>>> being confronted. 
>>>
>>> To answer the question the thread is about: I use Boscos on my custom 
>>> and sit bolt upright and love it. I don't stand, I spin, cuz that's my jam.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 4:52:17 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Since you already know that the Bosco doesn't work for you with your 
 Clementine, why haven't you changed the bars and stem to allow for more 
 effective reach and use of the steering aixs? I wouldn't touch a Bosco 
 with 
 a ten foot pole either for the very reason you stated. I bought a Tosco 
 and 
 simply in my hands my only  thought was "what the heck was I thinking ?" 
 The only swept back bar I can take is a 56cm steel Albatross and that's 
 with a 130mm stem on frames that have longer than average top tubes and 
 frame reach. I ride them stretched out and even or just above the saddle.  
 To me an "upright posture" for bike riding is very unnatural. Don't let a 
 builder/seller's idea-l bar prevent you from finding your won. They're not 
 you. There's endless bar shapes so you're bound to find the right combo 
 for 
 you. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Road in Berkeley 58cm

[Luke Hendrickson]

Ha! Thanks much, Joe. Since I fit the MIT Atlantis in the 62cm variant, 
this isn’t quite my size. Thankfully this means no explaining required to 
my wife as to why I have yet another bike…

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:14:51 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> My somewhat vague memory is these were sized like a standard road bike of 
> the time: 58cm C-to-T ST and somewhere in the range of 57-59cm C-to-C TT. I 
> would place it somewhere between the 54.5 and 58cm current Homers. 
>
> But don't listen to me, hrab your measuring tape and get some numbers and 
> ride it! That's a rare steed in that color and the price is BIN. No 
> waiting, it's too storming to ride Tuesday anyway, buy a bike! 
>
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 12:42:12 AM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Kevin – how do you think this sizing stacks up to contemporary Riv 
>> sizing? This bike’s stunning, I’m in SF, and I want to somehow spend money 
>> I don’t have 😂
>>
>> On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:41:14 PM UTC-7 Kevin D norcal - santa 
>> rosa wrote:
>>
>>> noticed this on CL - no relation and not my size, but nice frame and 
>>> interesting mix of parts
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-road/7598874979.html
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Road in Berkeley 58cm

[Luke Hendrickson]

Kevin – how do you think this sizing stacks up to contemporary Riv sizing? 
This bike’s stunning, I’m in SF, and I want to somehow spend money I don’t 
have 😂

On Monday, March 13, 2023 at 10:41:14 PM UTC-7 Kevin D norcal - santa rosa 
wrote:

> noticed this on CL - no relation and not my size, but nice frame and 
> interesting mix of parts
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-road/7598874979.html
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders Interactive Map is Live!

[Luke Hendrickson]

This is sic

On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 8:45:26 PM UTC-8 John Bokman wrote:

> Thanks for setting this up John!
>
> John in Portland
>
> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Very cool, thank you for setting this up!
>>
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:40:02 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Pins are dropping!
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-03-11 at 2.37.15 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 1:59:58 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 The Map of Riv Riders is ready!* Thanks to Dave's example of the 
 'Unicycle Community Map' I've put together a similar interactive map that 
 Riv Riders can now populate with your location. 

 As mentioned, the purpose of this map is to help Riv riders find each 
 other, connect and plan rides.

 Here's a link to the site:

 Map of Rivendell Riders 
 

 There is a Google form registration that, once completed and manually 
 updated by me, will put a pin of your location on the map. 

 You can 'drop' this pin in a couple of ways:

 1. Provide your address

 2. Provide a random address in your city or town

 3. Provide map coordinates (latitude, longitude)

 Check it out and if it seems interesting to you then register and wait 
 for your pin to show up. 

 Cheers, John

 *I'll call it a beta version because I just learned how to connect 
 Google forms, maps, and sites together. Seems to work well though.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Widest fenders that easily fit a Joe Appa?

[Luke Hendrickson]

I’d like to take this opportunity to enthusiastically support the use of 
mudflaps, in particular the leather variety from Gilles Berthoud. So sick. 

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 5:15:59 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> I fitted VO 700 x 63mm mudguards (they actually measure 63.5mm wide) to my 
> Appaloosa. They just fit with only a fraction of a millimetre clearance 
> each side where they pass between the fork blades - I fitted plastic frame 
> protector dots on the inside of the fork blades each side to prevent the 
> paint being worn off by the fender. 
>
> Nick Payne
>

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[RBW] Re: 2023 March 1 Bikes for sale thread: Craigslist etc.

[Luke Hendrickson]

Killed me to see that, but his Bomba is so 🔥 that it makes sense to move 
this one along. I only wish that I were in the market… A Hunq has been a 
dream of mine, second only to an Atlantis. 

On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 6:20:19 AM UTC-8 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Saw on Instagram that John Prolly from the Radavist is selling his 
> Hunq[image: 
> Screenshot_20230309-091723.png]
>
> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 12:58:01 PM UTC-5 mitchel...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 51cm Appaloosa Frameset
>> Los Angeles ,CA
>> $1,500
>>
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/santa-monica-rivendell-appaloosa-51cm/7595081671.html
>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 7:44:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Such a dreamy build…
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 7:23:03 PM UTC-8 Matthew P wrote:
>>>
>>>> Starting with this Legolas in Portland that I've thought about buying 
>>>> myself:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7591649041.html
>>>>
>>>> Full build details are available here:
>>>>
>>>> https://quicklywilliam.notion.site/Rivendell-Legolas-93889153504547b79fba9a124170c60d
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Luke Hendrickson]

Slin – which poncho do you like best?

On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 9:20:11 PM UTC-8 Slin wrote:

> I'm a huge fan of ponchos (with fenders) and riding in the rain in 
> general! I wear regular clothes riding a bike, and putting on rain pants 
> and jacket just felt like too much so I wouldn't put it on in drizzle and 
> I'd get wet anyway. The few times I did wear rain pants and jacket, I got 
> soaked from sweat. 
>
> As others have mentioned, a poncho is nice and breathable from the big 
> opening on the bottom so you can avoid waterproofing treatments that wear 
> out or expensive 'breathable' fabrics.
>
> And back to my other point, putting on a poncho takes less than 10 seconds 
> and when I get to my destination, I just slip it off!
>
> Yeah, it's been fun for me now that there's been some rain again here in 
> the Bay Area. I feel like Yehuda Moon.
>
> S
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 8:25:25 AM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I tried a poncho but didn't feel like I could adequately signal.  When 
>> it's cold, I prefer the jacket/pants.  When it's warm I like a jacket/rain 
>> skirt with shorts.  Next I'd like to cut the sleeves off a jacket and use a 
>> rain vest or short sleeve jacket so I won't heat up too much.  I'll go half 
>> sleeves then short sleeves then to a vest to see what works better.   
>>
>> p.s.  Newer jackets w/less PFAS seem to be less durable.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 10:09:46 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Ponchos are great!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1990.jpg]
>>>
>>> *With fenders.*
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Luke Hendrickson]

I rock either a Space Age Bags Zine Holder or large ILE Porteur bag for 
cargo. I like the Torrentshell jacket from Patagonia plus the Showers Pass 
pants n Gore C3 shoe covers. My fenders def help, too. 

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:57:13 PM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all, 
> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and 
> be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided 
> that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to 
> hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage 
> (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be 
> varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOS
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Alex
>

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[RBW] Re: 2023 March 1 Bikes for sale thread: Craigslist etc.

[Luke Hendrickson]

Such a dreamy build…

On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 7:23:03 PM UTC-8 Matthew P wrote:

> Starting with this Legolas in Portland that I've thought about buying 
> myself:
>
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7591649041.html
>
> Full build details are available here:
>
> https://quicklywilliam.notion.site/Rivendell-Legolas-93889153504547b79fba9a124170c60d
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Luke Hendrickson]

I gotta see that when it’s painted!
On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 5:57:01 PM UTC-8 mitchel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Recently scored a 64cm Bombadil Prototype - currently getting blasted and 
> painted @ D&D ! Reading these Bombadil articles have got me real stoked!
> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 8:56:54 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the links, Gino. 
>>
>> Here in 2023 I think we'd all be down for a Bombadil at $1,600 for the 
>> frame and fork. 
>>
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:17:41 PM UTC-5 Gino Zahnd wrote:
>>
>>> In 2008 I rode the Bomba prototype for a few weeks. Here are my photos 
>>> from then:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/albums/72157607024143730
>>>
>>> And my review of it in 2008:
>>>
>>> https://chicogino.blogspot.com/2008/05/rivendell-bombadil-my-two-week-fling.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:16:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
 stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
 While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
 the 
 origins and intended uses of these frames. 

 I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
 these bikes along with pictures of builds. 

 Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
 thread 
 ,
  there's 
 some great info there. 

 The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf

 The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
 into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
 Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
 absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
 below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 

 [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]

 There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
 believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
 got 
 a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 

 [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]

 And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
 here .

 [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 

 Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
 had to stop using Tolkien names. 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Luke Hendrickson]

Jason – I’m switching to the Monarch with the added platform this week. 
I’ve been running Suntour XCii pedals while wearing support free Vans 
tennis shoes and my biggest gripe has been my feet kinda hanging off. I 
have not had any discomfort, even with 80 mile rides. I believe my issues 
mostly stem from having large feet (15.5) and always wanting for more of a 
platform. 

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 10:31:24 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've found that the stiffer the soles of the shoes, the better pedaling 
> feels and if the shoe is too flexy you'll get hotspots or foot pain. So I 
> don't think switching pedals will help but switching shoes might.
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 9:55 AM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
>> My instinct is that has a lot more to do with the shoes, ie not well 
>> supported arches maybe?  I found that long pedals like the MKS Monarch or 
>> the Bubbly were a gamechanger for foot comfort vs. shorter flat pedals, but 
>> probably because I am always riding in shoes that are objectively too soft 
>> for long distance riding. The Bubbly isn't the grippiest pedal, because it 
>> has no pins, but it's very grippy for a non-pinned and is easily the most 
>> comfortable pedal I've ridden  
>>
>> On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 22:36:55 UTC-8 swar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Since it seems like people here are pretty experienced with flat pedals 
>>> I'll ask a question.
>>> I ride flats all the time, but I find that on especially long rides 
>>> (100+ mi) or if I'm putting out too much power (like straining up a hill) I 
>>> start to get foot pain.
>>> Does anyone have good recommendations for flat pedals that are better on 
>>> the feet (I'm a US 10.5 shoe size) - or advice for avoiding foot cramping 
>>> or pain?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:05 PM Luke Hendrickson <
>>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and 
>>>> fewer impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a 
>>>> stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs 
>>>> especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or 
>>>> screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal 
>>>> options are not. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the 
>>>>> riding I do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and 
>>>>> fast-ish road rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I 
>>>>> still use clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); 
>>>>> platforms are much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about 
>>>>> foot attachment as much as some people, considering that I'm also a 
>>>>> telemark skier, but I think having your foot solidly attached is 
>>>>> overrated. 
>>>>> I think a lot of the time people do it because they feel like they have 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> or it's what everyone else is doing, even when there's not a good reason 
>>>>> to- that was me for years before I realized how good flat pedals are. 
>>>>> Getting a nice pair of pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin 
>>>>> Crank Brothers platforms with good spikes and nice bearings and they made 
>>>>> me like flat pedals a lot more.
>>>>>
>>>>> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I 
>>>>> recommend Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the 
>>>>> last few years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, 
>>>>> and I like them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as 
>>>>> well as for their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some 
>>>>> cyclocross). SPDs work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to 
>>>>> find.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josiah Anderson
>>>>> Missoula, MT
>>>>>
>>>>> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a 
>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>>>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with 
&g

[RBW] Re: The Riv goes "Spinal Tap"

[Luke Hendrickson]

Drew,

This bike is utterly perfect! Great choice in gearing, too. 
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 3:03:56 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:

> "This goes to eleven!"
> After having to get a new rear wheel for my 1999 Red Rivendell, which came 
> with a spacer to use less than 11 speeds (I had a 9-speed cassette), I got 
> to thinking, then I got to budgeting, then I got to buying and today, since 
> I'm on call for work (I work in IT, and one week in 10 I have to be on call 
> should some important network device have issues off hours, so I don't go 
> on long bike rides on my on-call weekend), I decided to change my Riv from 
> 3x9 to 2x11. It now "goes to eleven!" just like Nigel Tufnel's amps!
>
> I ordered the silver bar-end shifters and pods and hoped that everyone was 
> correct in that these would shift 11 speeds with a traditional 9-speed rear 
> derailleur. I have an Ultegra "long cage" from about 15 years ago (?) that 
> has served me well, and still works fine. Spoiler alert: works fine!
>
> I had originally wanted to get the Rene Herse cranks, but they were 
> perpetually out of stock, then Soma had their big holiday sale, so I got 
> the New Albion 26-42-chainguard cranks and IRD BB for about 1/3 of the 
> price of the Rene Herse.
>
> I found a Campagnolo Croce D'Aune front derailleur on Ebay from the UK 
> which the previous owner had scrubbed so well it looked new. This FD is 
> probably from 1990 or so.
>
> I added a SRAM chain and 11-28 cassette, and I also picked up new Ritchey 
> pedals (my previous ones were quite worn out) and Newbaum's padded cotton 
> bar tape.
>
> I don't have a garage, so have to drag my stand out of storage and use the 
> micro back "yard" behind my apartment when I want to work on my bikes, so 
> it's a good thing that it's a warm and sunny February day.
>
> Before:
> [image: 1-Before.jpg]
>
> Here she is, nearly naked! 
> [image: 4-Cleaned-up-wide.jpg]
>
> I bottomed out the barrel adjuster, backed out the low set screw, and got 
> the RD to shift the whole range pretty easily! Here's the 42-28, which 
> doesn't overly stress the chain, and makes no funky noises.
> [image: 5-42-28-works!.jpg]
>
> Yes, the Riv stubby FD would probably work better, than the Campy, but how 
> pretty is this?
> [image: 6-Campy-and-New-Albion.jpg]
>
> Let's just say my bar wrapping and twine finishing look good for "20/20" 
> vision: If you're 20 or more feet away and/or I'm going 20 or more mph! 
> (Oh, the padded Newbaum's need at least 10' of twine per side, so the teal 
> twine I ordered didn't work, but my wife will happily use it). I chose this 
> blue as it's closest to the blue for Colon Cancer awareness, plus I was 
> getting bored of black tape. When this bar tape starts getting gaps, I 
> think I'll get the padded cloth tape again, as it does seem very 
> comfortable. I can do a lot of work on my bike well enough, I just can't 
> wrap bars to save my life, and, yes I watched the Riv YouTube video 3 times 
> before starting!
> [image: 7-All-Done.jpg]
>
> I took it around the neighborhood and the shifting is really smooth, and 
> absolutely silent! I'm sure it'll get noisy in time, but I didn't miss a 
> shift once. There's a tiny steep hill that I tested the 42x28 and 26x28 
> (spinning away like an eggbeater, it's not that steep) and can confirm that 
> the gearing works as I like.
>
> I'm going to keep the Suntour triple FD, Sugino crank, and 9-speed 
> bar-ends for a future bike build, as those are getting hard to find.
>
> Now for some bike nerdery, and if you're not interested in gear charts and 
> so forth, just look at the pretty pictures!
> I used to have 24-36-46, 11-23 9-speed (I like small hops), and tested out 
> how much I would miss the large gear by only using the 46x12 instead of the 
> 11 for the past 6 months or so. I didn't really miss it, so I knew a 42x11 
> would be fine (essentially the same gear as a 46x12). I also wanted to not 
> shift my FD much, only when going up the steep hills, so I wanted a 
> "one-by" most of the time, except when I head up the Santa Cruz mountains. 
> I'm fine with only using 8 out of 11 cogs with the 26. The chain isn't too 
> slack in the 26x14, so that will suit me fine. I cut the new chain 1 link 
> pair longer than the previous one.
>
> If you want to compare my before and after gearing, see here: 
> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=24,36,46&RZ=11,12,13,14,15,17,19,21,23&UF=2150&TF=90&SL=3&UN=KMH&DV=teeth&GR2=DERS&KB2=26,42&RZ2=11,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,22,25,28&UF2=2150
>
> SRAM, Shimano and Microshift have different 11-28 11-speeds. SRAM and 
> Microshift have 11-19 for the 8 highest cogs, but SRAM (which I chose) 
> finished with 22-25-28, Microshift finishes with 21-24-28. Shimano drops 
> the 16, and has 19-21-23-25-28. I think I got the jumps that most closely 
> match what I used to have. For my brief ride, it worked well. (I said the 
> post ended with serious gearing nerdery, didn't I?)
>
> Next weekend

[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Luke Hendrickson]

Mike! I love what you’re doing. Working on bikes and getting paid to do it… 
plus the ability to tinker and play around.

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 8:55:18 AM UTC-8 Stephanie A. wrote:

> I love this, Leah! I've been doing what I can on my bike, and now that I'm 
> really starting to change components I'm starting to learn more and more. 
> My hope is that once I'm done adjusting components on this bike I can be in 
> an okay place to eventually build up my own from a frame and fork 
> (wheel-building excluded--I'll leave that to the wheel pros).
>
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:49:54 AM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>
>> I'm (mostly) self-taught as far as wrenching goes. I started decades ago 
>> maintaining my own bikes, then buying and repairing and re-selling bikes 
>> from CL. I eventually got to the point where I could strip a bike to the 
>> bare frame and rebuild everything. The only formal class I took was a wheel 
>> building class from Jude K. when she owned Sugar Wheelworks (One of the 
>> best birthday gifts my wife ever gave me) and now that's a skill in my 
>> quiver. I worked 30 years as a middle school LA/SS teacher (bike commuted 
>> every day) and hanging out with the bikes in the basement was a form of 
>> therapy and decompression. Now, I'm semi-retired. I work as a substitute 
>> teacher 2 days/week, and a professional bike mechanic (!) 3 days/week at Go 
>> By Bike, "North America's largest bike valet service" 
>> https://www.gobybikepdx.com/  I'm living my best life.
>> a few months ago I had a valet client who was complaining that she 
>> couldn't get her seat low enough. I pulled the seat, put the post in the 
>> vice, cut 6 inches off the bottom, touched up the edges with a file, and 
>> remounted it in the position she wanted. I took the remaining section of 
>> seatpost and stuck a piece of tape on it where I wrote "It's not Rocket 
>> Science."  This reminder is still on a shelf in the shop. And as anyone who 
>> reads Grant's Blagh knows, Bikes shouldn't be too precious. Don't fear 
>> wrenching - it's empowering.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:31:40 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is 
>>> slow. The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
>>> students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
>>> bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
>>> on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
>>> patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from 
>>> my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
>>> marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
>>> scheming.)
>>>
>>> I digress! 
>>>
>>> He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
>>> starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
>>> ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
>>> to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 
>>>
>>> There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a 
>>> steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
>>> raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I 
>>> had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems 
>>> (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little 
>>> thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose 
>>> headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front 
>>> wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an identical 
>>> sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - 
>>> wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes 
>>> of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke 
>>> wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.
>>>
>>> I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, but I’m 
>>> working on it. I like that some of the mystery was taken out of it all and 
>>> I can see how parts work. Do I dare disclose here some of what I thought 
>>> beforehand? Oh, fine. I thought a wheel out of true meant they had to bend 
>>> a rim back into place. I had NO idea spokes were the culprit, nor did I 
>>> know you could adjust them. 😬 And so on and so forth.
>>>
>>> Our mechanic was so encouraging and told us we should experiment at home 
>>> - don’t worry, he assured us, you won’t break anything. But I wonder if he 
>>> will feel the same when I show up with my collection of redundant 
>>> Rivendells; pieces and parts left over and collected after rolling around 
>>> on my garage floor. “I have been fixing my bike and now it won’t work.” 
>>>
>>> Anyway, it’s a small step of self-betterment and I’ll keep wa

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Luke Hendrickson]

Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and fewer 
impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a 
stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs 
especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or 
screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal 
options are not. 

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:

> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding I 
> do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish road 
> rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use 
> clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are 
> much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment 
> as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I 
> think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the 
> time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone 
> else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for 
> years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of 
> pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms 
> with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot 
> more.
>
> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend 
> Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few 
> years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like 
> them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for 
> their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs 
> work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.
>
> Josiah Anderson
> Missoula, MT
>
> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :
>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe 
>> clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts 
>> about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i 
>> get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>>
>> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank Brothers 
>> eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some flat pedals 
>> on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without bindings to 
>> see if I really still want them. I started going down the no-binding path a 
>> while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I actually liked 
>> bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. If I was doing 
>> any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason even if I ditch 
>> the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on my "group 
>> ride" bike (my Riv Road). 
>>
>> That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're super 
>> easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 2) low 
>> profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no tension 
>> adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long as 
>> you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of 
>> fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want 
>> shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support. 
>> On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but that 
>> hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and 
>> cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it was 
>> always too loose and wobbly or too hard to release.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Signing up for Scary Things: Intro to Bike Mechanics

[Luke Hendrickson]

Ah wonderful! Riding has taken on a new dimension with the ability to 
wrench on my bike myself. Stoked for more updates. 

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:34:47 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Good on you, Leah! Being able to maintain and fix one's bicycle is just 
> shy of the fun had in pedaling it. Carry on and one day you'll be building 
> your own wheels!
>
> Cheers, John
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 8:06:12 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I can't true up a whole bent-outta-whack wheel and won't even try. I can 
>> true one very small section that's wobbled a little off center and that's 
>> about it, any more and it's going to the bike shop! 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:31:40 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> It’s winter here in Michigan and business at the local bike shop is 
>>> slow. The shop had a brilliant idea to host a class for a small number of 
>>> students to teach basic bicycle maintenance/mechanics. Students were to 
>>> bring their own bikes, which was wonderful because we would learn to work 
>>> on what we actually have. Our teacher was quietly brilliant, extremely 
>>> patient, and, well, dreamy. (I would love to set him up with my friend from 
>>> my women’s club ride and then be in their wedding. Unable to ascertain his 
>>> marital status without committing harassment, I am still in the throes of 
>>> scheming.)
>>>
>>> I digress! 
>>>
>>> He taught us how the shop gives each bike a once-over. It’s an M shape, 
>>> starting at the front wheel, going up to the bars, down to the pedal/chain 
>>> ring, up to the saddle and down to that rear wheel. From there we moved on 
>>> to wheel truing, derailleurs and shifters, and finally, brakes. 
>>>
>>> There were three of us in the class; one aluminum Trek with flat bars, a 
>>> steel Jamis that had been ridden hard on the trainer in covid, and my 
>>> raspberry Platypus. We all had V brakes. They had indexed shifting and I 
>>> had friction. When examining our bikes, we/he found several problems 
>>> (though not on the Platypus because I drag that bike in for every little 
>>> thing) that we then observed our teacher fix. I now know what a loose 
>>> headset sounds like (the Trek). Though, ironically, if you hit my front 
>>> wheel to elicit the sound, the German mirror will respond with an identical 
>>> sound. There are some skills that I still see best left to the experts - 
>>> wheel truing, for instance. I audibly gasped when he took after the spokes 
>>> of a wheel to mess them up for demonstration. I am leaving my new spoke 
>>> wrench in the packaging because no good can come from that thing.
>>>
>>> I am still not brave enough to do a lot with tools to my bike, but I’m 
>>> working on it. I like that some of the mystery was taken out of it all and 
>>> I can see how parts work. Do I dare disclose here some of what I thought 
>>> beforehand? Oh, fine. I thought a wheel out of true meant they had to bend 
>>> a rim back into place. I had NO idea spokes were the culprit, nor did I 
>>> know you could adjust them. 😬 And so on and so forth.
>>>
>>> Our mechanic was so encouraging and told us we should experiment at home 
>>> - don’t worry, he assured us, you won’t break anything. But I wonder if he 
>>> will feel the same when I show up with my collection of redundant 
>>> Rivendells; pieces and parts left over and collected after rolling around 
>>> on my garage floor. “I have been fixing my bike and now it won’t work.” 
>>>
>>> Anyway, it’s a small step of self-betterment and I’ll keep walking that 
>>> direction. I’m sure some of you out there can relate.
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: '85 Specialized Sequoia 63cm

[Luke Hendrickson]

Gorgeous frameset. Had I not just picked up a NOS Centurion from the 80s, 
I’d be tempted. It doesn’t help that I live just across town… Best of luck 
in selling it!
On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:25:37 PM UTC-8 mitchel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hey all, I have officially run out of room for bike storage :( First on 
> the chopping block... my tall sequoia!! I loved riding this bike when i had 
> it 650b it was a real great park ripper/slick commuter. One of my favorite 
> bikes of all time. This is a rare bird in this size.. 
>
> Located in SF.. would prefer local pick up but could be down to ship. 
> Here's the linkage
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-1985-specialized-sequoia/7585806827.html
>
> let me know you have any questions!
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Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

[Luke Hendrickson]

That’s an issue I didn’t know that I would face with the Jubilee 🤦🏻‍♂️ 
Maybe the shop where I work could help with some sort of workaround or…?

On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:37:42 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Luke, totally with you on a cushy rando rig with 42s and want to build one 
> myself. I've enjoyed the Extralights on my Hillborne and MB-2, getting them 
> at cost would be nice! My first set was old, worn in and I got em for free 
> from a friend so much like drugs, they were free at first and now I'm 
> addicted. 
>
> How are you going to work around the dropout issue? I thought those were 
> threaded either for Huret or Campagnolo dropouts? 
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:16:24 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>>
>> Ha! Very true, Eric. With my original intent in mind, I’m interested in 
>> getting a frame that can fit 28s at least and then throw a Jubilee and 
>> matching fd on it. The only other $$ would probably be on some René Herse 
>> Extralights (which I can get at cost). 
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:01:28 AM UTC-6 jak...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have an early 90s RB-1 with 28s on it, and you can barely see the 
>>> light of day between the rubber and the frame.  Anything much larger is a 
>>> no-go without some chainstay mods and a switch to 650s on that frame.  That 
>>> Jubilee sure is purty though!
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:43:07 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Luke — That doesn't sound like a budget bike! Might you consider an 
>>>> early 90s Bridgestone RB-1, slap some new tires on it and call it a day?
>>>>
>>>> I do love the idea of your build and the intended rims and components 
>>>> you mentioned. Certainly a worthwhile build I'd love to see realized. It's 
>>>> just gonna be costly! The Sachs-Huret front derailers are nice-looking. 
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone share their experiences with the Jubilee? I've never run 
>>>> one, I'm curious how well they shift. What kind of cassette limitations do 
>>>> you encounter with one? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:44:05 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tempted… For about $50 more, there’s a nearly NOS example on eBay I 
>>>>> just found today.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:09:28 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No relation to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-huret-jubilee-long-cage-rear-derailleur-2248-touring-rare-take-off/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-6 Ken Mattina wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well since this is just a fun exercise, how about H plus Son rims? 
>>>>>>> Either the archetype or TB14.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Luke Hendrickson <
>>>>>>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eric – French rando with or without fenders and perhaps 42mm tires 
>>>>>>>> or so. Downtube shifters with a Berthoud saddle or Brooks (I have an 
>>>>>>>> extra 
>>>>>>>> B17 after all). No dynamo but leaning towards Atlas or Pacenti rims 
>>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>> polished or frosted hubs (no need for anything horribly expensive 
>>>>>>>> here). 
>>>>>>>> Leather wrapped drops with Gran Compe brake levers however I’m unsure 
>>>>>>>> about 
>>>>>>>> the gearing, crankset, pedals, or front derailleur. I’m leaning 
>>>>>>>> towards a 
>>>>>>>> matching Huret but TBD. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And this was meant to be a budget build for traveling purposes 
>>>>>>>> only, too. 🤦🏻‍♂️
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Patrick – ha! You’ve helped muddy the waters some with a wonderful 
>>>>>>>> assortment of components. This group is the best/worst lol. Those 
>>>>>>>> Duprats 
>>>>>>>> are STUNNING. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

[Luke Hendrickson]

Ha! Very true, Eric. With my original intent in mind, I’m interested in 
getting a frame that can fit 28s at least and then throw a Jubilee and 
matching fd on it. The only other $$ would probably be on some René Herse 
Extralights (which I can get at cost). 
On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:01:28 AM UTC-6 jak...@me.com wrote:

> I have an early 90s RB-1 with 28s on it, and you can barely see the light 
> of day between the rubber and the frame.  Anything much larger is a no-go 
> without some chainstay mods and a switch to 650s on that frame.  That 
> Jubilee sure is purty though!
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 10:43:07 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Luke — That doesn't sound like a budget bike! Might you consider an early 
>> 90s Bridgestone RB-1, slap some new tires on it and call it a day?
>>
>> I do love the idea of your build and the intended rims and components you 
>> mentioned. Certainly a worthwhile build I'd love to see realized. It's just 
>> gonna be costly! The Sachs-Huret front derailers are nice-looking. 
>>
>> Can anyone share their experiences with the Jubilee? I've never run one, 
>> I'm curious how well they shift. What kind of cassette limitations do you 
>> encounter with one? 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 10:44:05 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Tempted… For about $50 more, there’s a nearly NOS example on eBay I just 
>>> found today.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:09:28 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:
>>>
>>>> No relation to me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-huret-jubilee-long-cage-rear-derailleur-2248-touring-rare-take-off/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JP
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-6 Ken Mattina wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well since this is just a fun exercise, how about H plus Son rims? 
>>>>> Either the archetype or TB14.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Luke Hendrickson <
>>>>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric – French rando with or without fenders and perhaps 42mm tires or 
>>>>>> so. Downtube shifters with a Berthoud saddle or Brooks (I have an extra 
>>>>>> B17 
>>>>>> after all). No dynamo but leaning towards Atlas or Pacenti rims with 
>>>>>> polished or frosted hubs (no need for anything horribly expensive here). 
>>>>>> Leather wrapped drops with Gran Compe brake levers however I’m unsure 
>>>>>> about 
>>>>>> the gearing, crankset, pedals, or front derailleur. I’m leaning towards 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> matching Huret but TBD. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And this was meant to be a budget build for traveling purposes only, 
>>>>>> too. 🤦🏻‍♂️
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick – ha! You’ve helped muddy the waters some with a wonderful 
>>>>>> assortment of components. This group is the best/worst lol. Those 
>>>>>> Duprats 
>>>>>> are STUNNING. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:20:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 10:51 AM RichS  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Luke, I like your idea but if you locate one of those gorgeous 
>>>>>>>> Jubilees you will have to compliment it with other jewel like 
>>>>>>>> components 
>>>>>>>> and a worthy frame.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:07:42 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>> rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hands down the most beautiful, jewelry like rear derailleur ever 
>>>>>>>>> made, IMHO.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Picking up again on this thread: I do think that the Jubilee RD is 
>>>>>>> an aesthetic jewel (and I read that it actually shifts pretty well). 
>>>>>>> But 
>>>>>>> let's take this idea further. What *other *components would all 
>>>>>>> y'all choose to best complement a jewel-like Jubilee RD? Hubs, rims, 
>>>>>>> cranks, pedals, brakes, levers, seatposts, stems, 

Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

[Luke Hendrickson]

Tempted… For about $50 more, there’s a nearly NOS example on eBay I just 
found today.

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 7:09:28 PM UTC-6 MoVelo wrote:

> No relation to me.
>
>
> https://bikerecyclery.com/nos-huret-jubilee-long-cage-rear-derailleur-2248-touring-rare-take-off/
>
>
> JP
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 4:15:33 PM UTC-6 Ken Mattina wrote:
>
>> Well since this is just a fun exercise, how about H plus Son rims? Either 
>> the archetype or TB14.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 1:49 PM Luke Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Eric – French rando with or without fenders and perhaps 42mm tires or 
>>> so. Downtube shifters with a Berthoud saddle or Brooks (I have an extra B17 
>>> after all). No dynamo but leaning towards Atlas or Pacenti rims with 
>>> polished or frosted hubs (no need for anything horribly expensive here). 
>>> Leather wrapped drops with Gran Compe brake levers however I’m unsure about 
>>> the gearing, crankset, pedals, or front derailleur. I’m leaning towards a 
>>> matching Huret but TBD. 
>>>
>>> And this was meant to be a budget build for traveling purposes only, 
>>> too. 🤦🏻‍♂️
>>>
>>> Patrick – ha! You’ve helped muddy the waters some with a wonderful 
>>> assortment of components. This group is the best/worst lol. Those Duprats 
>>> are STUNNING. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:20:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 10:51 AM RichS  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Luke, I like your idea but if you locate one of those gorgeous 
>>>>> Jubilees you will have to compliment it with other jewel like components 
>>>>> and a worthy frame.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:07:42 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hands down the most beautiful, jewelry like rear derailleur ever 
>>>>>> made, IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Picking up again on this thread: I do think that the Jubilee RD is an 
>>>> aesthetic jewel (and I read that it actually shifts pretty well). But 
>>>> let's 
>>>> take this idea further. What *other *components would all y'all choose 
>>>> to best complement a jewel-like Jubilee RD? Hubs, rims, cranks, pedals, 
>>>> brakes, levers, seatposts, stems, bars, saddles, racks, cages, luggage, 
>>>> bells, lights?
>>>>
>>>> Stab #1. I tentatively suggest these for pretty as well as superlative 
>>>> performance.
>>>> Hubs: Phil. Accept no substitute. Amen. For dynamos, SON. Or perhaps a 
>>>> NOS Sturmey Archer Dynohub, all 4 lb of it. Oh, and a rechromed, 2022 1937 
>>>> SA TC hub looks PDG too.
>>>> Rims: ? (I confess I choose by the best ratio of weight and strength, 
>>>> very informally determined, so I can't say which are prettiest.)
>>>> Cranks: Dura Ace 7410 followed closely by the DA GA 200 / 300. But 
>>>> really, though, the prettiest cranksets of all time bar none are some of 
>>>> the best cottered steel cranks: ethereally slender, with a shine only 
>>>> chrome can give. The lightest were lighther than some aluminum 
>>>> "cotterless" 
>>>> cranks.
>>>> Brakes: I use Paul's for practical reasons and the polished silvers are 
>>>> nice but I can't say that they're the prettiest.
>>>> Pedals: ?? I use XTRs and XTs and Dura Ace SPDs and M540s but these are 
>>>> not exactly pretty.
>>>> Levers: ? I like the Dura Ace BL 7401.
>>>> Seatpost: DA 7410.
>>>> Bar: Rene Herse polished Nitto.
>>>> Saddle: ?
>>>> Cages: The Nitto one is prettiest but I gave up after 2 broke on me and 
>>>> sought solace in the uglier but still presentable and far, far stronger 
>>>> (and much cheaper) King Iris.
>>>> Racks: I don't use them, but I'd have to say Nitto for looks. I use 
>>>> customs or Tubus for practical.
>>>> Luggage: Rivendell post-Cartwright, but no g-damned tweed.
>>>> Bells: ? Spurcycle? I use these, but they're not shiny.
>>>> Lights: Edeluxe.
>>>>
>>>> Bad photo but best I could find of Duprat hollow-arm steel cottered 
>>>> crank:
>>>>
>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: 650b Homer

[Luke Hendrickson]

Just. Absolutely. Perfect. 👌🏻

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, I really like that understated, elegant color (yes, I'm drooling).   
>  I've seen that style of stem on  circa 1990's MTBs - I've  owned a Trek 
>  that had one like it, though I think it was 1 1/8".   To my eye, with your 
> level top tube a stem with about a neg 17 degree rise would complement the 
> overall lines of the bike. Maybe a Technomic  to give you plenty of stack 
> (assuming you're looking for that much height).   If you are inclined to 
> splurge that gorgeous bike might even merit a lugged Nitto. Might the 
> pads on the cantis be past their "best if used before" date?   I have never 
> found shoe sole brakes to be very reliable. Enjoy that bike!!!   
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 2:06:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Man that's a nice bike, I miss the old flat-toptube Toyo and Waterford 
>> frames. I personally like the stem but maybe it needs to be longer to 
>> stretch those bars away from you a little more, being too close might be 
>> why they feel narrow. But I'd ride it a bit first, the fit may work out for 
>> you after you've settled into the bike. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 9:50:39 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wanted to share a few pics of my new (to me) AHH that a number of you 
>>> helped give thoughts on. I've taken it out a few times, and have really 
>>> enjoyed it. Definitely need to get the brakes set up better, though! I 
>>> don't think I've had cantis in 20 years. My feet have been utilized often!!!
>>>
>>> I'd love some input on the stem/bars. There's nothing wrong with the 
>>> stem (VO, I think?), but aesthetically, it looks a little imbalanced 
>>> because of the frame size with the 650b tires, I think. I'm not sure what 
>>> the bars are. It's a dull finish. It does feel a little narrow, but I 
>>> wonder if a different stem may alleviate that feeling.
>>>
>>> Paint job definitely looks nicer outside than the seller's photo in his 
>>> basement.
>>>
>>> Also need to give a huge thanks to Jake from Florida for the saddle. You 
>>> are very generous. There are a couple prints that will be mailed to you 
>>> this week. Thank you.
>>>
>>> Matt in STL[image: IMG_2319.jpeg][image: IMG_2323.jpeg][image: 
>>> IMG_2325.jpeg][image: IMG_2326.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

[Luke Hendrickson]

Eric – French rando with or without fenders and perhaps 42mm tires or so. 
Downtube shifters with a Berthoud saddle or Brooks (I have an extra B17 
after all). No dynamo but leaning towards Atlas or Pacenti rims with 
polished or frosted hubs (no need for anything horribly expensive here). 
Leather wrapped drops with Gran Compe brake levers however I’m unsure about 
the gearing, crankset, pedals, or front derailleur. I’m leaning towards a 
matching Huret but TBD. 

And this was meant to be a budget build for traveling purposes only, too. 
🤦🏻‍♂️

Patrick – ha! You’ve helped muddy the waters some with a wonderful 
assortment of components. This group is the best/worst lol. Those Duprats 
are STUNNING. 

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 3:20:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 10:51 AM RichS  wrote:
>
>> Hey Luke, I like your idea but if you locate one of those gorgeous 
>> Jubilees you will have to compliment it with other jewel like components 
>> and a worthy frame.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:07:42 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hands down the most beautiful, jewelry like rear derailleur ever made, 
>>> IMHO.
>>>
>>
> Picking up again on this thread: I do think that the Jubilee RD is an 
> aesthetic jewel (and I read that it actually shifts pretty well). But let's 
> take this idea further. What *other *components would all y'all choose to 
> best complement a jewel-like Jubilee RD? Hubs, rims, cranks, pedals, 
> brakes, levers, seatposts, stems, bars, saddles, racks, cages, luggage, 
> bells, lights?
>
> Stab #1. I tentatively suggest these for pretty as well as superlative 
> performance.
> Hubs: Phil. Accept no substitute. Amen. For dynamos, SON. Or perhaps a NOS 
> Sturmey Archer Dynohub, all 4 lb of it. Oh, and a rechromed, 2022 1937 SA 
> TC hub looks PDG too.
> Rims: ? (I confess I choose by the best ratio of weight and strength, very 
> informally determined, so I can't say which are prettiest.)
> Cranks: Dura Ace 7410 followed closely by the DA GA 200 / 300. But really, 
> though, the prettiest cranksets of all time bar none are some of the best 
> cottered steel cranks: ethereally slender, with a shine only chrome can 
> give. The lightest were lighther than some aluminum "cotterless" cranks.
> Brakes: I use Paul's for practical reasons and the polished silvers are 
> nice but I can't say that they're the prettiest.
> Pedals: ?? I use XTRs and XTs and Dura Ace SPDs and M540s but these are 
> not exactly pretty.
> Levers: ? I like the Dura Ace BL 7401.
> Seatpost: DA 7410.
> Bar: Rene Herse polished Nitto.
> Saddle: ?
> Cages: The Nitto one is prettiest but I gave up after 2 broke on me and 
> sought solace in the uglier but still presentable and far, far stronger 
> (and much cheaper) King Iris.
> Racks: I don't use them, but I'd have to say Nitto for looks. I use 
> customs or Tubus for practical.
> Luggage: Rivendell post-Cartwright, but no g-damned tweed.
> Bells: ? Spurcycle? I use these, but they're not shiny.
> Lights: Edeluxe.
>
> Bad photo but best I could find of Duprat hollow-arm steel cottered crank:
>
> [image: image.png]
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Re: [RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

[Luke Hendrickson]

Ha! I know, I know. My “extra” bike is fast becoming quite the project bike 
for me…

On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 11:51:27 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:

> Hey Luke,
>
> I like your idea but if you locate one of those gorgeous Jubilees you will 
> have to compliment it with other jewel like components and a worthy frame.
> Lots of luck in your quest!
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 7:07:42 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hands down the most beautiful, jewelry like rear derailleur ever made, 
>> IMHO. I had a complete set on my PX10 around 1980. Lovely.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Luke Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>> I think that it’s positively beautiful and that it’d be fun to track down 
>> the corresponding Huret front derailleur and other period components. 
>> Here’s one from an eBay listing. What a stunner…
>>
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 9:51:16 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> A bicycle built around a derailleur: that has to be a first. Why the 
>>> Jubilee?
>>>
>>> I built a bike around a hub, but the hub include the gears. I'll be very 
>>> interested in the final result; please post build specs and photos.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 10:28 PM Luke Hendrickson <
>>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all!
>>>>
>>>> I fly out to visit my folks a bunch and want to build up a bike to 
>>>> either fly *with* or stash there. Instead of starting with a frameset 
>>>> and building around that, I’d like to build it around a Huret Jubilee! 
>>>> Please pm me if you have one and wish to part with it/happen to be looking 
>>>> for something and want to see if I have it. 
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: New guy in North Carolina

[Luke Hendrickson]

Yeah, a buddy gave me the Berthoud (it’s from the first 400 made and was 
nearly unridden). I really like it so far and had my first all day ride on 
it earlier this week without much issue. 

Ha! Yeah, I felt like my bike looked too vanilla when I changed from mtb 
tires and was getting a lot of grief from rain, too. I chose the Flat 65s 
and just added some brown Berthoud mud flaps to be matching 🤣 I gotta say 
that these tires *barely* fit with the front mounting hardware and I have 
to be careful with rubbing. I do love them, but plan on ordering some René 
Herse Antelope Hills (Extralight) this week.
On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 8:11:02 AM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Luke, I like that Atlantis!  Beautiful build too.  I see you have also 
> discovered Berthoud saddles. Looks like you went with Honjo fenders to 
> cover those big Scwalbe G-Ones?  Thanks 
>
> On Saturday, February 11, 2023 at 1:32:08 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Both gorgeous bikes! I myself had a Ritchey Swiss Cross with some 
>> Steilacooms on it for rough stuff and it excelled. Super zippy and it 
>> simply hopped over rocky stuff. It also rattled me nearly to death lol
>>
>> I wish you the best in procuring one of those models of Rivendell, Steve. 
>> I myself have an Atlantis and swear by it although I appreciate whatever 
>> Riv releases. Thoughts on a build for it yet?
>>
>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 9:39:43 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: OB4riv.jpg]I recently joined RBW OB after lurking for some time 
>>> and thought I’d take an opportunity to introduce myself; Steve from 
>>> Asheville, NC
>>>
>>> Full disclosure: I do not own a Rivendell bicycle. I have however been a 
>>> longtime admirer of Grant Petersen (as well as Sheldon Brown).  It was 
>>> probably contemporaneous reviews of the Bridgestone XO-1 that first brought 
>>> Grant to my attention. I’ve never owned a Bridgestone bicycle either.
>>>
>>> Having said all that, and if  you are still reading, the next bike I 
>>> buy, new or used, will be a Rivendell, probably a step-through: a 
>>> Susie/Wolbis, Clem L, or a Platy. I definitely welcome any advice or 
>>> commentary regarding the step-throughs.  I won’t drone on (yet) about build 
>>> details, 
>>>
>>> I’ve included pics of the two bikes I currently ride. The shiny 650b 
>>> converted Sampson is for smooth stuff and the Ritchey for rough stuff, 
>>> mostly fire roads and double track a nearby national forest. They are both 
>>> “keepers” (until they are not).
>>>
>>> .[image: SAM4riv.jpg]
>>>
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[RBW] WTB/WTT – Huret Jubilee Long Cage Rear Derailleur

[Luke Hendrickson]

Hey all!

I fly out to visit my folks a bunch and want to build up a bike to either 
fly *with* or stash there. Instead of starting with a frameset and building 
around that, I’d like to build it around a Huret Jubilee! Please pm me if 
you have one and wish to part with it/happen to be looking for something 
and want to see if I have it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto 32F Rack weight limit?

[Luke Hendrickson]

This is why I’ve just opted for the five rail rack from Pass & Stow: 25lbs 
or less suggested, rated to 50lbs, and can handle 200lbs. I’ll *never* need 
all that it can offer tbh.





On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 4:57:20 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is why Riv got Nitto to make a Basket Rack. They kinda backed 
> themselves into a world of riders putting big loads in a big basket on a 
> little rack on the if-the-wheel-locks-up-things-get-ugly-fast end of the 
> bike and...you don't want that. 
>
> I tried it, I hated the way it affected the steering, I run most of my 
> load on the back now. My recommendation is to keep basket loads in the 
> range of weight you would normally allow a bar bag to run. And use that 
> strap. 
>
> Joe "safer than sorry" Bernard 
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 3:45:22 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> I've never used a rack that wasn't stronger than the M5 stainless steel 
>> screws attaching it to the bike.
>>
>> Years ago Riv said don't put baskets on this rack. With all sorts of wink 
>> wink caveats and the advice to always put a strap around your rack/basket 
>> to your handlebar. 
>> From memory, Nitto had a lot of issues with the 32f because wald baskets 
>> allowed too much leverage on the crown brace and it would fatigue fail. So 
>> not really a weight problem but a torque, use case problem. Front racks 
>> failing, falling into front wheels is very serious accident bad, something 
>> a company would want to legally distance itself from.
>>
>> I have never had a Nitto rack come even close to failing and I've put 
>> crazy stupid weights on most of them.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Photos of your Small MUSA Atlantis?

[Luke Hendrickson]

This guy’s account  is 
lovely!

On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 11:45:01 AM UTC-8 Al in SF wrote:

> Briguy and others,
>
> Bumping an old post. This is also one of my favorite Atlantis builds. The 
> Sparwoods contrast nicely with the classic geo.
>
> Does anyone know of any more photos that might be floating about?
>
> Al in SF
>
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 10:27:32 AM UTC-7 brianr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've found a handful of photos out there, but I would love to see more to 
>> add to my collection.  
>>
>> And while you're here, would you be willing to sell yours?
>>
>> Hello from Toronto, Canada! (the attached photo is my favorite Atlantis 
>> build so far)
>> - Briguy
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Luke Hendrickson]

Epic custom!

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 2:12:32 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not sure the condition under the dirt, but looks like good value for a 
> custom Riv if you are in the San Jose area. Heck, could sell those tower 
> bars and nitto, clean and relist if you don't like it.
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-waterford-built-rivendell/7583922987.html[image:
>  
> 00d0d_a7kqoWQLvI0_0CI0lM_1200x900.jpeg]
>
> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 8:20:25 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looks like a price drop on the 60cm Hillborne in Vienna. 
>>
>> [image: 325914195_6538259239522205_455293595224308313_n.jpg]
>>
>> Sam Hillborne
>> 60cm
>> $1,850
>> Vienna, Virginia 
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/562587362592331/
>> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 9:57:19 PM UTC-5 aelga...@castilleja.org 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And I’m selling my beautiful Sam in San Mateo. 😬 $2100 
>>> Pedals and saddle not included. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 2, 2023 at 5:57 PM Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>>>
 There’s a beautiful Ram in Ft Lauderdale


 https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/bik/d/fort-lauderdale-2007-rivendell/7572481687.html


 And this Sam in Atlanta


 https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/bik/d/decatur-rivendell-hillborne-blue-and/7565756188.html


 I would have jumped on one if I wasn’t Atlantis hunting. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Luke Hendrickson]

Epic! Anyone open to an afternoon/evening ride this coming Saturday? Meet 
around 5/530 and enjoy a sunset ride into Marin or something?
On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:54:19 PM UTC-8 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> Count me in. I finally put the Sam together now that it isn’t too freezing 
> cold out in the shed. 
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
> image3.jpeg]
>
>
> Thanks,
> -Brendan Willard
> Owner/Winemaker
> Phantômé Cellars
>
> phantomecellars.com 
>
> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>
> On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
> Ride soon-ish? Was thinking about an evening ramble one weekend or maybe 
> a morning mosey. Anyone game? If not, I could be persuaded to engage in a 
> Sunday frolic.   
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 4:23:32 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Well, insomnia has struck and I’m in no shape to do this ride. I hope 
>> that y’all will take this opportunity to meet up anyway.
>>
>> Until next time,
>>
>> Luke
>>
>> On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 5:27:24 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! Conditions still look favorable tomorrow so I’ll be at Coffee 
>>> Movement at 10 and we’ll roll at 10:30. Hope to see you there 💘
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 10:37:24 AM UTC-8 
>>> ericyue...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm out of town pretty much the whole first half of January but would 
>>>> love to join a ride soon.  I hope you all have a great time on the 1st!  
>>>> Also, related to this, do any Peninsula folks have a shop they receommend? 
>>>>  
>>>> Palo Alto Cyclery is the only place I've found that carries anything I'm 
>>>> looking for, but I never enjoy being in there.  I need to get my Sam tuned 
>>>> up soon and would prefer to not have to take it up to SF.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:25:14 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No preference here 🍻
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:30:27 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in 
>>>>> SF wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's follow up on the 15th with a ride in the North, South, or East 
>>>>>> Bay.  Preferences?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:53:26 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that’s a great idea, Brendan. 🔥  Where were you thinking?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard 
>>>>>>> in SF wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I’m not getting too far ahead here, I’d love to look at another 
>>>>>>>> ride 2 weeks after this one. I could do the 14th or 15th anywhere in 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> Bay Area. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> -Brendan Willard
>>>>>>>> Owner/Winemaker
>>>>>>>> Phantômé Cellars
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> phantomecellars.com 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir <
>>>>>>>> aelga...@castilleja.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Me too!!! Sorry to miss it!!! 😞
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 7:32 PM Brendan Willard  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looks like a fun time! I’ll look forward to the next ride in the 
>>>>>>>>> New Year. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> -Brendan Willard
>>>>>>>>> Owner/Winemaker
>>>>>>>>> Phantômé Cellars
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> phantomecellars.com 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 6:34 

Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Thanks all! Let’s just say that if it could go wrong, it did. I was able to 
sort it out and I’m stoked on how they look. The bike’s so big that many 
think these tires aren’t as big as they are, especially with the addition 
of the fenders. 

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 8:53:27 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:

> Looks great. Enjoy staying dry and clean!
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:48:14 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>
>> Fenders turned out sweet, Luke. I dig the flat profile, way clean!
>>
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 10:57:09 PM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Thanks much, Keith!
>>
>> On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:57 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>> Great looking bike, Luke!
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Here are some photos <https://photos.app.goo.gl/tkZLp8Wi7N2VJyfc8> from 
>> the shop taken this afternoon. I’m very pleased and have decided to leave 
>> some extra strut just in case. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 10:15:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>> I just finished the install this evening. I needed to slightly squish the 
>> rear fender at the chain stay mount and do the same for the front fender 
>> with the fork. Clearance wasn’t compromised however it added a certain 
>> level of difficulty to the front fender install. I still need to finish 
>> adjusting the spacing/alignment in the front, and I’m quite satisfied with 
>> the rear fender. I’ll be sure to snap some photos in the daylight tomorrow 
>> for reference. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>> No problem. Looks like you’re right, they are listed as 63mm. I don’t 
>> think that number has changed, I just remembered it wrong. So that means my 
>> 55mm wide tires fit 63mm fenders. And for reference, I have Velocity 
>> Cliffhanger 700c rims. 
>>
>> Brian 
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 2:21 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for that great example and photos (and nice Appaloosa!). VO lists 
>> the 700c fluted fenders as 63mm wide - are yours actually 65mm?
>>
>>
>> -Dave (who's thinking that fluted 63mm fenders could just squeeze into 
>> his Platy)
>>
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>
>> I run velo orange fluted 65 on my Appaloosa with 700x55 Terravail 
>> Sparwood tires.  It's a tight fit, but don't think I had to mod the fenders 
>> at all, maybe a slight dimple.  The fenders just barely fit in the frame 
>> and fork, so imagine the bigger Honjo options would definitely need some 
>> modifying, but maybe the Atlantis has bit more clearance.  Overall I like 
>> them, and the tight fit has not been an issue so far.  Flat Honjos would 
>> likely give more room than my fluted ones.[image: _MG_2689.jpg]I 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Exploration: Make your own pump peg

[Luke Hendrickson]

As someone who’s had the Neo Retro (& Touring), I definitely miss the 
adjustability, but also love the lack of adjusting. I took a wrench and 
bent the front Mafacs to adjust toe-in and, now that I have the dual 
compound Eagle pads from Kool Stop, I never worry even in a torrential 
downpour. Plus, they look so damned good!

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 4:34:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> How do you like them Mafac tandems? I like those hangers, good looking 
> hangers. Wish I had some. 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 7:33:39 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Nice, Luke. I agree, having a black frame pump between the tubes on a 
>> double top tube Atlantis interferes with the nice lines. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 1:56:38 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> [image: B372A765-5F4B-42DE-A241-4387D0682850.jpeg]
>>> I like the use of an alt mount option even though I have a pump peg on 
>>> mine. I love the double tubing of the Atlantis and don’t want it crowded 
>>> with a pump. 
>>> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 11:01:26 AM UTC-8 J C wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like the QR idea.
>>>>
>>>> However, on my 2020 Appaloosa the dropout design prevents a shimano QR 
>>>> lever from easily closing at an angle other than forward or backward, 
>>>> approximately level to the ground.
>>>>
>>>> Curious if a similar design is used on other newish models?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:15:46 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I like these solutions Nick, Kim and Andy. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Absent a pump peg mount I do think that using the QR skewer is the 
>>>>> best, so elegant and minimal. I read about that on iBOB and it really got 
>>>>> me. Then I forgot about it. I'll have to see if I can make that work. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes: It's not necessarily better! It's just an idea I executed to see 
>>>>> if it would work. I definitely prefer the brazed-on pump peg. That said, 
>>>>> there might be some interference between the front derailer cable and the 
>>>>> pump when mounted behind the seat tube. I actually can't tell. Haven't 
>>>>> had 
>>>>> any shifting issues but I can't get a good line of sight and have been 
>>>>> too 
>>>>> lazy to crawl under the bike or flip it over to truly investigate. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 2:39:54 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ingenious solutions all around.
>>>>>> Full marks!
>>>>>> k.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 9:48 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is cool, Eric - but how is it better than using the pump peg 
>>>>>>> that was so thoughtfully brazed onto your frame?
>>>>>>> -Wes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:05:38 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I read Will's post about how to make your own pump peg on the Blug 
>>>>>>>> a long while back: 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/185595499869/how-to-make-your-own-pump-pegs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You take a p-clamp, some spacers and modify a Nitto strut and 
>>>>>>>> you've got a pump peg somewhere you might not have had one before. 
>>>>>>>> Will 
>>>>>>>> likes to put his in the rear triangle and you'll notice them mounted 
>>>>>>>> this 
>>>>>>>> way on a lot of his bikes.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: tumblr_inline_pt3zzjpbXk1qdvnvk_500.jpg]
>>>>>>>> [image: tumblr_inline_pt401jwzC21qdvnvk_500.jpg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is great, I love it, cool hack! But I've always wanted for a 
>>>>>>>> version that doesn't require tracking down and destroying a Nitto 
>>>>>>>> strut. 
>>>>>>>> Riv HQ is probably awash in Nitto struts and they have em poking out 
>>>>>>>> of the 
>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Exploration: Make your own pump peg

[Luke Hendrickson]

[image: B372A765-5F4B-42DE-A241-4387D0682850.jpeg]
I like the use of an alt mount option even though I have a pump peg on 
mine. I love the double tubing of the Atlantis and don’t want it crowded 
with a pump. 
On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 11:01:26 AM UTC-8 J C wrote:

> I like the QR idea.
>
> However, on my 2020 Appaloosa the dropout design prevents a shimano QR 
> lever from easily closing at an angle other than forward or backward, 
> approximately level to the ground.
>
> Curious if a similar design is used on other newish models?
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:15:46 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I like these solutions Nick, Kim and Andy. 
>>
>> Absent a pump peg mount I do think that using the QR skewer is the best, 
>> so elegant and minimal. I read about that on iBOB and it really got me. 
>> Then I forgot about it. I'll have to see if I can make that work. 
>>
>> Wes: It's not necessarily better! It's just an idea I executed to see if 
>> it would work. I definitely prefer the brazed-on pump peg. That said, there 
>> might be some interference between the front derailer cable and the pump 
>> when mounted behind the seat tube. I actually can't tell. Haven't had any 
>> shifting issues but I can't get a good line of sight and have been too lazy 
>> to crawl under the bike or flip it over to truly investigate. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 2:39:54 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> Ingenious solutions all around.
>>> Full marks!
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 9:48 PM Wesley  wrote:
>>>
 This is cool, Eric - but how is it better than using the pump peg that 
 was so thoughtfully brazed onto your frame?
 -Wes

 On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 7:05:38 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I read Will's post about how to make your own pump peg on the Blug a 
> long while back: 
>
> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/185595499869/how-to-make-your-own-pump-pegs
>
> You take a p-clamp, some spacers and modify a Nitto strut and you've 
> got a pump peg somewhere you might not have had one before. Will likes to 
> put his in the rear triangle and you'll notice them mounted this way on a 
> lot of his bikes.  
>
> [image: tumblr_inline_pt3zzjpbXk1qdvnvk_500.jpg]
> [image: tumblr_inline_pt401jwzC21qdvnvk_500.jpg]
>
> This is great, I love it, cool hack! But I've always wanted for a 
> version that doesn't require tracking down and destroying a Nitto strut. 
> Riv HQ is probably awash in Nitto struts and they have em poking out of 
> the 
> coffee cans on everyone's desk all over the place. But not so for me, 
> Nitto 
> struts are precious few in my shed. 
>
> I think I came up with the right shape and this weekend I picked up an 
> electrical ring terminal in the 10-12 size, yellow sleeve. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-01-17 at 9.56.39 PM.png][image: Screen Shot 
> 2023-01-17 at 9.56.44 PM.png]
>
> Holding the ring end with one pair of pliers you can easily remove the 
> yellow sleeve with a second pair of pliers. A pack of 15 is $4.50. If 
> your 
> local hardware store has a bulk/loose hardware section you can get one 
> for 
> around 55¢ (at least I did). 
>
> Paired with a 3/8" insulated cable clamp (2 for $2.20), a few serrated 
> brake washers, an M5 bolt and a nylock nut I had a fashioned a pump peg. 
> Didn't have to cut or shape any metal or destroy any high-end Japanese 
> rack 
> struts. 
>
> [image: IMG_4875.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_4874.JPG]
>
> I have yet to SUPER TEST this out but wanted to share all the same. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Thanks much, Keith!

On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:20:57 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> Great looking bike, Luke!
>
> k.
>
> On Jan 22, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
> Here are some photos <https://photos.app.goo.gl/tkZLp8Wi7N2VJyfc8> from 
> the shop taken this afternoon. I’m very pleased and have decided to leave 
> some extra strut just in case. 
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 10:15:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I just finished the install this evening. I needed to slightly squish the 
>> rear fender at the chain stay mount and do the same for the front fender 
>> with the fork. Clearance wasn’t compromised however it added a certain 
>> level of difficulty to the front fender install. I still need to finish 
>> adjusting the spacing/alignment in the front, and I’m quite satisfied with 
>> the rear fender. I’ll be sure to snap some photos in the daylight tomorrow 
>> for reference. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>> No problem. Looks like you’re right, they are listed as 63mm. I don’t 
>>> think that number has changed, I just remembered it wrong. So that means my 
>>> 55mm wide tires fit 63mm fenders. And for reference, I have Velocity 
>>> Cliffhanger 700c rims. 
>>>
>>> Brian 
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 2:21 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for that great example and photos (and nice Appaloosa!). VO 
>>> lists the 700c fluted fenders as 63mm wide - are yours actually 65mm?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Dave (who's thinking that fluted 63mm fenders could just squeeze into 
>>> his Platy)
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I run velo orange fluted 65 on my Appaloosa with 700x55 Terravail 
>>>> Sparwood tires.  It's a tight fit, but don't think I had to mod the 
>>>> fenders 
>>>> at all, maybe a slight dimple.  The fenders just barely fit in the frame 
>>>> and fork, so imagine the bigger Honjo options would definitely need some 
>>>> modifying, but maybe the Atlantis has bit more clearance.  Overall I like 
>>>> them, and the tight fit has not been an issue so far.  Flat Honjos would 
>>>> likely give more room than my fluted ones.[image: _MG_2689.jpg]I 
>>>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Here are some photos <https://photos.app.goo.gl/tkZLp8Wi7N2VJyfc8> from the 
shop taken this afternoon. I’m very pleased and have decided to leave some 
extra strut just in case. 

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 10:15:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> I just finished the install this evening. I needed to slightly squish the 
> rear fender at the chain stay mount and do the same for the front fender 
> with the fork. Clearance wasn’t compromised however it added a certain 
> level of difficulty to the front fender install. I still need to finish 
> adjusting the spacing/alignment in the front, and I’m quite satisfied with 
> the rear fender. I’ll be sure to snap some photos in the daylight tomorrow 
> for reference. 
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> No problem. Looks like you’re right, they are listed as 63mm. I don’t 
>> think that number has changed, I just remembered it wrong. So that means my 
>> 55mm wide tires fit 63mm fenders. And for reference, I have Velocity 
>> Cliffhanger 700c rims. 
>>
>> Brian 
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2023, at 2:21 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for that great example and photos (and nice Appaloosa!). VO lists 
>> the 700c fluted fenders as 63mm wide - are yours actually 65mm?
>>
>>
>> -Dave (who's thinking that fluted 63mm fenders could just squeeze into 
>> his Platy)
>>
>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I run velo orange fluted 65 on my Appaloosa with 700x55 Terravail 
>>> Sparwood tires.  It's a tight fit, but don't think I had to mod the fenders 
>>> at all, maybe a slight dimple.  The fenders just barely fit in the frame 
>>> and fork, so imagine the bigger Honjo options would definitely need some 
>>> modifying, but maybe the Atlantis has bit more clearance.  Overall I like 
>>> them, and the tight fit has not been an issue so far.  Flat Honjos would 
>>> likely give more room than my fluted ones.[image: _MG_2689.jpg]I 
>>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Luke Hendrickson]

Ride soon-ish? Was thinking about an evening ramble one weekend or maybe a 
morning mosey. Anyone game? If not, I could be persuaded to engage in a 
Sunday frolic.   

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 4:23:32 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Well, insomnia has struck and I’m in no shape to do this ride. I hope that 
> y’all will take this opportunity to meet up anyway.
>
> Until next time,
>
> Luke
>
> On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 5:27:24 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Hey all! Conditions still look favorable tomorrow so I’ll be at Coffee 
>> Movement at 10 and we’ll roll at 10:30. Hope to see you there 💘
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 10:37:24 AM UTC-8 ericyue...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm out of town pretty much the whole first half of January but would 
>>> love to join a ride soon.  I hope you all have a great time on the 1st!  
>>> Also, related to this, do any Peninsula folks have a shop they receommend?  
>>> Palo Alto Cyclery is the only place I've found that carries anything I'm 
>>> looking for, but I never enjoy being in there.  I need to get my Sam tuned 
>>> up soon and would prefer to not have to take it up to SF.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:25:14 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
>>>> No preference here 🍻
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:30:27 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Let's follow up on the 15th with a ride in the North, South, or East 
>>>>> Bay.  Preferences?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:53:26 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that’s a great idea, Brendan. 🔥  Where were you thinking?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard 
>>>>>> in SF wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I’m not getting too far ahead here, I’d love to look at another 
>>>>>>> ride 2 weeks after this one. I could do the 14th or 15th anywhere in 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> Bay Area. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> -Brendan Willard
>>>>>>> Owner/Winemaker
>>>>>>> Phantômé Cellars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> phantomecellars.com 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir <
>>>>>>> aelga...@castilleja.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me too!!! Sorry to miss it!!! 😞
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 7:32 PM Brendan Willard  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like a fun time! I’ll look forward to the next ride in the 
>>>>>>>> New Year. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> -Brendan Willard
>>>>>>>> Owner/Winemaker
>>>>>>>> Phantômé Cellars
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> phantomecellars.com 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 6:34 PM, Luke Hendrickson <
>>>>>>>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah shit… I’m out of town rn and didn’t bother to check! I guess 
>>>>>>>> New Year’s Day then, huh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 6:59:15 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is this rain or shine? Cuz this is what you're looking at for the 
>>>>>>>>> next week. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-8 Luke 
>>>>>>>>> Hendrickson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey all!
>>>>>>>>>>
&

[RBW] Re: Saw my first Clem in person

[Luke Hendrickson]

Lol very Missed Connections of you! 

Luke “Another Rivster in SF” Hendrickson
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 9:22:55 AM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> In SF at Haight Street. 
> You: dark orange Clem L looked to be size L
> Me: wide eyed admirer, to shy to say hi
>
> Nice bike!
>
> Blurry stalker pic: 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

I just finished the install this evening. I needed to slightly squish the 
rear fender at the chain stay mount and do the same for the front fender 
with the fork. Clearance wasn’t compromised however it added a certain 
level of difficulty to the front fender install. I still need to finish 
adjusting the spacing/alignment in the front, and I’m quite satisfied with 
the rear fender. I’ll be sure to snap some photos in the daylight tomorrow 
for reference. 

On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 4:21:13 PM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:

> No problem. Looks like you’re right, they are listed as 63mm. I don’t 
> think that number has changed, I just remembered it wrong. So that means my 
> 55mm wide tires fit 63mm fenders. And for reference, I have Velocity 
> Cliffhanger 700c rims. 
>
> Brian 
>
> On Jan 20, 2023, at 2:21 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>
> Thanks for that great example and photos (and nice Appaloosa!). VO lists 
> the 700c fluted fenders as 63mm wide - are yours actually 65mm?
>
>
> -Dave (who's thinking that fluted 63mm fenders could just squeeze into his 
> Platy)
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>
>>
>> I run velo orange fluted 65 on my Appaloosa with 700x55 Terravail 
>> Sparwood tires.  It's a tight fit, but don't think I had to mod the fenders 
>> at all, maybe a slight dimple.  The fenders just barely fit in the frame 
>> and fork, so imagine the bigger Honjo options would definitely need some 
>> modifying, but maybe the Atlantis has bit more clearance.  Overall I like 
>> them, and the tight fit has not been an issue so far.  Flat Honjos would 
>> likely give more room than my fluted ones.[image: _MG_2689.jpg]I 
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Just received them today and made my initial marks/measurements with 
Sharpie and blue painter’s tape. I aim to drill tomorrow and the day after. 
I’d rather take my time than make a mistake and need to start all over. As 
of now, the Flat 65 looks like it needs to be slightly tweaked at the 
kickstand plate in the rear and at the fork to fit. I may reassess and 
change fenders and tires. TBD. 
On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 1:59:47 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> If you want fenders to actually catch the maximum amount of spray when 
> it's raining and/or the roads are wet, then metal fenders with a rolled 
> edge, a la Honjo or Berthoud, do a better job of minimising the amount of 
> spray that comes out the side of the fenders than do the plastic fenders.
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Scott – I ordered the Flat 65 yesterday after some consideration. I hope 
it’ll arrive by Tuesday or Wednesday of next week at which time I’ll 
hurriedly mount them. I think minimal modification will be necessary though 
I worry about reduced coverage due to their shape. 

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 8:41:15 AM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> What did you discover? Did you by chance try the Flat 65?
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 09:42:36 AM MST, Luke Hendrickson <
> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote: 
>
>
> Man, wonderful info about the 74s – thank you for taking the time to relay 
> that. The above posted photos of them show a significant amount of 
> modification (cutting) to fit which I might be game to do however what I 
> won’t tolerate is losing ample clearance around the tire. I’m about to head 
> into the shop for the day and will throw the Atlantis in the stand and see 
> if any of the dimensions of the Flat 65s would work, etc. At the very least 
> I’ll share the mishaps I encounter as I try to push the limits of what the 
> Atlantis can fit with you all. 
>
> David – I appreciate that suggestion. I’ll throw around the dimensions of 
> those with the mechanics today and see if they also see that working out. I 
> feel pretty dedicated to the idea of fenders on this thing and the recent 
> rain has left me wanting to ride more with less of a reason not to 
> regardless of the weather. I feel like having fenders is the definitive way 
> to make a bike a year round possibility, whether or not it’s a downpour.
>
> - Luke in rainy, hailing San Francisco
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:
>
> That's great info, though too bad the 74s won't fit out of the box.
>
> Before giving up on 2.25s and fenders, I'd take some measurements and see 
> if Flat 65s would work in the frame and fork (and chain in low/low). If so 
> you should be able to get them setup with the 2.25s G-ones since they don't 
> really have knobs (assuming the tires actually measure out to 2.25 or less).
>
> I'm thinking that Smooth 62s with 50mm tires would work on my Platy so I'd 
> guess the Atlantis could do incrementally more.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have a set of smooth 74's in my shop for another bike (not yet fitted) 
> and holding them up to my Atlantis, they don't fit without cutting and 
>  heavily dimpling the fenders to fit between seat stays, also fork blades, 
> and remove fender material around the chain stays.  Not for the faint of 
> heart but looks possible with patience and proper jigs for setting the 
> dimples just right.  There's little question that the fenders will fit over 
> your tires, but on an Atlantis, it will take some work.  The problem I 
> would worry about is this, by the time you dimple the fender enough to fit, 
> you may have lost your clearance around the tire at those points.  If you 
> remove metal at those edges where it is too tight then the structure of the 
> fender is seriously compromised.  I'd go with a smooth 62 fender and 50mm 
> tire on Atlantis and save the 74's w 2.25 tires for a bike with more 
> clearance (like a Clem).  
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 1:21:11 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
> Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they look 
> to have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! 
> Ordering pronto. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left 
> this out.
>
> Kim.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
> Hi Luke,
>
> On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid Rob 
> 29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks Honjo 
> Smooth 74 steel fenders as yet to be.   
>
> Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy for 
> my bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks in 
> Portland, Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred 
> me to Kevin, who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike has 
> the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting out 
> a section for clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached 
> pictures. I did not ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on his 
> bike. I was more concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm seat 
> post for my Clem. 
>
> All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with accommodate 
> 29x2.25&q

[RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Man, wonderful info about the 74s – thank you for taking the time to relay 
that. The above posted photos of them show a significant amount of 
modification (cutting) to fit which I might be game to do however what I 
won’t tolerate is losing ample clearance around the tire. I’m about to head 
into the shop for the day and will throw the Atlantis in the stand and see 
if any of the dimensions of the Flat 65s would work, etc. At the very least 
I’ll share the mishaps I encounter as I try to push the limits of what the 
Atlantis can fit with you all. 

David – I appreciate that suggestion. I’ll throw around the dimensions of 
those with the mechanics today and see if they also see that working out. I 
feel pretty dedicated to the idea of fenders on this thing and the recent 
rain has left me wanting to ride more with less of a reason not to 
regardless of the weather. I feel like having fenders is the definitive way 
to make a bike a year round possibility, whether or not it’s a downpour.

- Luke in rainy, hailing San Francisco

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:34:30 AM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:

> That's great info, though too bad the 74s won't fit out of the box.
>
> Before giving up on 2.25s and fenders, I'd take some measurements and see 
> if Flat 65s would work in the frame and fork (and chain in low/low). If so 
> you should be able to get them setup with the 2.25s G-ones since they don't 
> really have knobs (assuming the tires actually measure out to 2.25 or less).
>
> I'm thinking that Smooth 62s with 50mm tires would work on my Platy so I'd 
> guess the Atlantis could do incrementally more.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 psc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have a set of smooth 74's in my shop for another bike (not yet fitted) 
>> and holding them up to my Atlantis, they don't fit without cutting and 
>>  heavily dimpling the fenders to fit between seat stays, also fork blades, 
>> and remove fender material around the chain stays.  Not for the faint of 
>> heart but looks possible with patience and proper jigs for setting the 
>> dimples just right.  There's little question that the fenders will fit over 
>> your tires, but on an Atlantis, it will take some work.  The problem I 
>> would worry about is this, by the time you dimple the fender enough to fit, 
>> you may have lost your clearance around the tire at those points.  If you 
>> remove metal at those edges where it is too tight then the structure of the 
>> fender is seriously compromised.  I'd go with a smooth 62 fender and 50mm 
>> tire on Atlantis and save the 74's w 2.25 tires for a bike with more 
>> clearance (like a Clem).  
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 1:21:11 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they 
>>> look to have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! 
>>> Ordering pronto. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left 
>>>> this out.
>>>>
>>>> Kim.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Luke,
>>>>>
>>>>> On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid 
>>>>> Rob 29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks 
>>>>> Honjo Smooth 74 steel fenders as yet to be.   
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy 
>>>>> for my bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> Portland, Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred 
>>>>> me to Kevin, who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike 
>>>>> has 
>>>>> the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting 
>>>>> out 
>>>>> a section for clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached 
>>>>> pictures. I did not ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on 
>>>>> his 
>>>>> bike. I was more concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm 
>>>>> seat 
>>>>> post for my Clem. 
>>>>>
>>>>> All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with 
>>>>> accommodate 29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In

[RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Kim! Fantastic news. I had hoped the smooth would be operable as they look 
to have better coverage than the Flat 80. I appreciate the help here! 
Ordering pronto. 

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:59:09 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Kevin Purcell is co-owner of Golden Pliers in Portland, Oregon. ...left 
> this out.
>
> Kim.
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:51:08 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> Hi Luke,
>>
>> On my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike, I am running a pair of Schwalbe Rapid Rob 
>> 29x2.25 ". As one of my last upgrades for my bike are the SimWorks Honjo 
>> Smooth 74 steel fenders as yet to be.   
>>
>> Before I came confident in a decision about which fenders I should buy 
>> for my bike, I had emailed Steve Smith, the General Manager at SimWorks in 
>> Portland, Oregon. He said that the Smooth 74s' would work. Steve referred 
>> me to Kevin, who owns an orange Rivendell Clementine bike. Kevin's bike has 
>> the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders. He had to modify the rear fender; cutting out 
>> a section for clearance for the chain above the chain stay. See attached 
>> pictures. I did not ask at the time what size tires Kevin is running on his 
>> bike. I was more concerned about what shim size I needed for a 27.2mm seat 
>> post for my Clem. 
>>
>> All in all, I can say that the Honjo Smooth 74 fenders with accommodate 
>> 29x2.25" or 57.15mm tires. In the description of the those fenders on the 
>> SimWorks website, the maximum tire size is 58~mm. 
>>
>> Hope this helps and not to confuse you.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA 
>>
>> ..changing out my chain and rear derailleur to new.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 7:00:16 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Or even a Smooth 74?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:38:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” 
>>>> Schwalbe Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x 
>>>> Honjo Flat 65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input 
>>>> much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Or even a Smooth 74?

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 6:38:49 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” Schwalbe 
> Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x Honjo Flat 
> 65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input much 
> appreciated.
>

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[RBW] Fendering My Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” Schwalbe 
Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x Honjo Flat 
65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input much 
appreciated.

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[RBW] Fender and my Atlantis

[Luke Hendrickson]

Hey all! I just swapped out my beefy Maxxis tires for some 2.25” Schwalbe 
Allround tires. Would I be able to get by with the SimWorks x Honjo Flat 
65? Or would I need the Flat 80? And how’s the fit? Any input much 
appreciated. 

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[RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

[Luke Hendrickson]

Yeah, I guess the frame builders prefer making lugged framesets over fillet 
brazing. Too bad, but looking forward to the bike Riv makes that’s sorta 
between the Susie & Gus. 

On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 7:32:22 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> If you read the current Rivendell Blahg (Grants blog) he mentions that the 
> last fillet brazed Hillibikes, the Gus & Susie shipment that just arrived, 
> will be it for that those models being made. So last chance at owning a 
> beautiful ATB frameset.

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[RBW] Re: e-Bike article in the New Yorker

[Luke Hendrickson]

Working at a bike shop has shaped how I view e-bikes and their omnipresence 
here in San Francisco. On the one hand, users ride them when a traditional 
bike would haven’t have been enough to entice them to ride. On the other 
hand, most are outfitted with shoddy components or the end user is left to 
do a portion of the assembly themselves at home. I generally dislike them 
and, unless someone is willing to plonk down $5k for a Surly Skid Loader or 
Trek commuter, recommend against them.

Regardless, I thank you for sharing this article, Eric. 

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:54:07 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm not in the market for an e-bike myself but I can always appreciate a 
> thoughtful and thorough dive into just about any subject in the pages of 
> the New Yorker. 
>
> I'm so totally unfamiliar with e-bikes that I now understand the rudiments 
> of how they're powered and how the pedal-assist and throttle work on 
> certain machines. 
>
>
> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/01/02/hell-on-two-wheels-until-the-e-bikes-battery-runs-out
>
> In case you hit a paywall there's a pdf below. 
>
> I'm also reminded that Jill Lepore wrote an article for the magazine back 
> in May of 2022 about the evolution of the bicycle and its presence in 
> everyday life. Nothing earth-shattering here for the well-read bicycle nuts 
> but a fun read. 
>
>
> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/05/30/bicycles-have-evolved-have-we-jody-rosen-two-wheels-good
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Luke Hendrickson]

Joe – here’s to more rain over the next two weeks! Lovely photos. 

Kim – this is at the top of Hawk Hill 
<https://www.google.com/search?q=hawk+hill+marin&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS783US783&oq=hawk+hill+marin&aqs=chrome..69i57.3922j0j7&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8>!
 
One of my least-ridden routes but a favorite nonetheless. 

On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 8:28:52 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Luke,
>
> Spectacular views looking out across the bay over to San Francisco. A 
> lookout place that I have never been to in all the years that I lived in 
> the Bay Area; mostly South Bay Area.
>
> What trail is this ?
>
> Thank-you for sharing.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 7:13:00 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: BC06729E-7667-4971-876B-81B9EA85C439.jpeg][image: 
>> C717CF01-8CFE-417B-8B2C-7A9A48A25E71.jpeg]Some “winter cycling” from San 
>> Francisco this afternoon.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 1:32:59 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> First ride of the new year! A balmy -1C and crunchy snow. A wonderful 
>>> New Year to all!
>>> [image: IMG_0177.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 1, 2023 at 2:10:46 AM UTC-8 Takashi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>> Yes, winter cycling is as pleasing as autumn cycling. Your Gunnar seems 
>>>> to be a perfect machine to ride on dirt road!
>>>>
>>>> Nick,
>>>> That's an unbelievably beautiful image! I can almost feel crisp air and 
>>>> dazzling sunlight.
>>>> I believe that it was very quiet out there?
>>>>
>>>> Randy,
>>>> Glad that you were able to ride. I assume that winter in Wisconsin is 
>>>> very harsh.
>>>> Your photo, like Nick's, makes me think that it was very quiet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Takashi
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Luke Hendrickson]

Well, insomnia has struck and I’m in no shape to do this ride. I hope that 
y’all will take this opportunity to meet up anyway.

Until next time,

Luke

On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 5:27:24 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Hey all! Conditions still look favorable tomorrow so I’ll be at Coffee 
> Movement at 10 and we’ll roll at 10:30. Hope to see you there 💘
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 10:37:24 AM UTC-8 ericyue...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm out of town pretty much the whole first half of January but would 
>> love to join a ride soon.  I hope you all have a great time on the 1st!  
>> Also, related to this, do any Peninsula folks have a shop they receommend?  
>> Palo Alto Cyclery is the only place I've found that carries anything I'm 
>> looking for, but I never enjoy being in there.  I need to get my Sam tuned 
>> up soon and would prefer to not have to take it up to SF.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:25:14 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> No preference here 🍻
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:30:27 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let's follow up on the 15th with a ride in the North, South, or East 
>>>> Bay.  Preferences?
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:53:26 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think that’s a great idea, Brendan. 🔥  Where were you thinking?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in 
>>>>> SF wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I’m not getting too far ahead here, I’d love to look at another 
>>>>>> ride 2 weeks after this one. I could do the 14th or 15th anywhere in the 
>>>>>> Bay Area. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> -Brendan Willard
>>>>>> Owner/Winemaker
>>>>>> Phantômé Cellars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> phantomecellars.com 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me too!!! Sorry to miss it!!! 😞
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 7:32 PM Brendan Willard  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like a fun time! I’ll look forward to the next ride in the New 
>>>>>>> Year. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> -Brendan Willard
>>>>>>> Owner/Winemaker
>>>>>>> Phantômé Cellars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> phantomecellars.com 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 6:34 PM, Luke Hendrickson <
>>>>>>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah shit… I’m out of town rn and didn’t bother to check! I guess New 
>>>>>>> Year’s Day then, huh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 6:59:15 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this rain or shine? Cuz this is what you're looking at for the 
>>>>>>>> next week. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey all!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 10am meet on 12/31 at Coffee Movement (1737 Balboa) followed by a 
>>>>>>>>> 10:30am departure with potential stops at Golden Boy, Red’s Java, and 
>>>>>>>>> Farley’s (that’s the lil’ Potrero detour built into the ride) 
>>>>>>>>> followed by a 
>>>>>>>>> leisurely cruise to the top of Twin Peaks. Here’s the route 
>>>>>>>>> <https://onthegomap.com/s/2i5b54ko>. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The ride can of course continue after the end of the above 
>>>>>>>>> suggeste

Re: [RBW] Re: San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Luke Hendrickson]

Hey all! Conditions still look favorable tomorrow so I’ll be at Coffee 
Movement at 10 and we’ll roll at 10:30. Hope to see you there 💘

On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 10:37:24 AM UTC-8 ericyue...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I'm out of town pretty much the whole first half of January but would love 
> to join a ride soon.  I hope you all have a great time on the 1st!  Also, 
> related to this, do any Peninsula folks have a shop they receommend?  Palo 
> Alto Cyclery is the only place I've found that carries anything I'm looking 
> for, but I never enjoy being in there.  I need to get my Sam tuned up soon 
> and would prefer to not have to take it up to SF.
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 1:25:14 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> No preference here 🍻
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:30:27 AM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in SF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let's follow up on the 15th with a ride in the North, South, or East 
>>> Bay.  Preferences?
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:53:26 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that’s a great idea, Brendan. 🔥  Where were you thinking?
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 10:51:29 PM UTC-7 Brendan Willard in 
>>>> SF wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I’m not getting too far ahead here, I’d love to look at another 
>>>>> ride 2 weeks after this one. I could do the 14th or 15th anywhere in the 
>>>>> Bay Area. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> -Brendan Willard
>>>>> Owner/Winemaker
>>>>> Phantômé Cellars
>>>>>
>>>>> phantomecellars.com 
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Me too!!! Sorry to miss it!!! 😞
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2022 at 7:32 PM Brendan Willard  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like a fun time! I’ll look forward to the next ride in the New 
>>>>>> Year. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> -Brendan Willard
>>>>>> Owner/Winemaker
>>>>>> Phantômé Cellars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> phantomecellars.com 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking in Thumbs 👍
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2022, at 6:34 PM, Luke Hendrickson  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah shit… I’m out of town rn and didn’t bother to check! I guess New 
>>>>>> Year’s Day then, huh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 6:59:15 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this rain or shine? Cuz this is what you're looking at for the 
>>>>>>> next week. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 3:35:25 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey all!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10am meet on 12/31 at Coffee Movement (1737 Balboa) followed by a 
>>>>>>>> 10:30am departure with potential stops at Golden Boy, Red’s Java, and 
>>>>>>>> Farley’s (that’s the lil’ Potrero detour built into the ride) followed 
>>>>>>>> by a 
>>>>>>>> leisurely cruise to the top of Twin Peaks. Here’s the route 
>>>>>>>> <https://onthegomap.com/s/2i5b54ko>. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ride can of course continue after the end of the above 
>>>>>>>> suggested course. Either way, the main point of this is to have a 
>>>>>>>> chill, 
>>>>>>>> friendly meandering around the City before kicking off 2023.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Feel free to dm me with any questions!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:54:17 PM UTC-7 Luke Hendrickson 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Matthew – sick!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nichol