[RBW] Re: My dream "forever bike" is finally done -- thanks to this group!

[Robert Calton]

Thank you peech, I've had no issues with knee-strikes on the bars. The stem 
I believe is 11cm and the slack seat tube angle helps. I spoke with Riv 
when I was deciding stem length and they recommend folks go at least 10cm 
if they're going to run albatross bars. 

I also don't really pedal around *really* tight turns anyway. There's a 
switchback on a path that we take and it's not been a problem there. 

On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 3:15:58 PM UTC-4 peech1...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Very nice.  With the albatross bars have you had issues with your knee 
> striking the bar end on tight turns?  
>
> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 10:07:01 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Hey Robert, 
>>
>> Wow, what a beauty you've built up! I love your 'smiles to miles' metric, 
>> and I'm sure you'll find that will remain consistent throughout your life 
>> with this bike. Enjoy!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 6:55:35 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats Robert! That's a beautiful bike!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not pictured is a Baggins bag strapped to the saddle hooks. It fits 
>>>> everything I need it to: phone, keys, wallet, repair kit, snack, medicine. 
>>>> :) 
>>>> On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A few months back, I set out to build my do-it-all dream bike and I 
>>>>> did. I couldn’t be happier with how it turned out and it is truly a joy 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> ride: it's the most comfortable and buttery smooth bicycle I've ever 
>>>>> ridden. Smiles per mile is super high. Many thanks to this lovely group 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> all the advice and conversation. Build below.
>>>>> [image: ahpm2fo1kpbd1.jpeg]
>>>>> *Frame:* Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm.
>>>>> *Wheelset: *Velocity Atlas rims, 32h White Industries MI5 front and 
>>>>> rear hubs laced with DT Swiss Competition DB spokes
>>>>> *Tires: *Panaracer Gravelking 700x43c
>>>>> *Brakes:* Paul Racer, Kool-Stop pads
>>>>> *Brake Levers: *Paul cantilever
>>>>> *Bars:* Nitto Albatross
>>>>> *Grips: *Meisha’s Portuguese tree cork
>>>>> *Tape: *Tanglefoot “Aunt Ronnie’s Recliner”
>>>>> *Stem: *Nitto lugged
>>>>> *Shifters: *Shimano Dura Ace bar ends (friction F/R)
>>>>> *Derailers: *Shimano Dura Ace EA100 (FD), Shimano Deore XT M761 (RD)
>>>>> *Crankset: *Silver 38/24 (170mm)
>>>>> *Pedals: *MKS Lambda Cassette: Shimano HG400, 9-speed (11-36T)
>>>>> *Seat post: *Nitto lugged
>>>>> *Bottle Cage: *Nitto R
>>>>> *Saddle: *Brooks B68
>>>>> *Kickstand: *Of course
>>>>>
>>>>> Shoutout and good vibes to Third Wheel Bikes 
>>>>> <https://www.thirdwheelbikes.com/> for the assembly.
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: My dream "forever bike" is finally done -- thanks to this group!

[Robert Calton]

Not pictured is a Baggins bag strapped to the saddle hooks. It fits 
everything I need it to: phone, keys, wallet, repair kit, snack, medicine. 
:) 
On Thursday, July 11, 2024 at 9:43:22 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> A few months back, I set out to build my do-it-all dream bike and I did. I 
> couldn’t be happier with how it turned out and it is truly a joy to ride: 
> it's the most comfortable and buttery smooth bicycle I've ever ridden. 
> Smiles per mile is super high. Many thanks to this lovely group for all the 
> advice and conversation. Build below.
> [image: ahpm2fo1kpbd1.jpeg]
> *Frame:* Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm.
> *Wheelset: *Velocity Atlas rims, 32h White Industries MI5 front and rear 
> hubs laced with DT Swiss Competition DB spokes
> *Tires: *Panaracer Gravelking 700x43c
> *Brakes:* Paul Racer, Kool-Stop pads
> *Brake Levers: *Paul cantilever
> *Bars:* Nitto Albatross
> *Grips: *Meisha’s Portuguese tree cork
> *Tape: *Tanglefoot “Aunt Ronnie’s Recliner”
> *Stem: *Nitto lugged
> *Shifters: *Shimano Dura Ace bar ends (friction F/R)
> *Derailers: *Shimano Dura Ace EA100 (FD), Shimano Deore XT M761 (RD)
> *Crankset: *Silver 38/24 (170mm)
> *Pedals: *MKS Lambda Cassette: Shimano HG400, 9-speed (11-36T)
> *Seat post: *Nitto lugged
> *Bottle Cage: *Nitto R
> *Saddle: *Brooks B68
> *Kickstand: *Of course
>
> Shoutout and good vibes to Third Wheel Bikes 
> <https://www.thirdwheelbikes.com/> for the assembly.
>

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Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[Robert Calton]

My husband-and-wife run LIBS is building my one and only bike (a Homer) 
from parts and charging me $100 for it, the price they charge for a full 
tune-up. They also charge $60/hour for a la carte services, as you point 
out. I am happy to recommend them to anyone in the Boston metro. They 
tastefully rehab older steel frames with new[er] parts and sell them for 
$200-$400; they only sell steel frame bikes and operate out of a used car 
lot's garage. Their inventory is like 3 new Surlys and maybe an All-State 
or two. The rest are rehabs and they are absolute professionals about 
everything they do. Mine isn't the first Riv they've built from parts 
either. Perhaps the bike shops around you are a bit less affordable or have 
to charge more to account for higher overhead, etc.  

I'm not saying that Riv is *gouging*, I'm stating facts that there are more 
affordable places to buy the exact same parts and more affordable shops to 
build a bike. That is no way a slight on Riv, it's  just facts. That said, 
I'm glad they promote and make a great margin on those good-cheap parts and 
builds because I'm grateful for what that has allowed them to do for 
bicycling as a whole. I appreciate their bikes and ethos, or else I 
wouldn't be on this forum. 
On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 5:44:26 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "Your LIBS can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 
> charge"
>
> I'm going to call BS on this.  I sincerely doubt that there is a bike shop 
> on earth, with a mechanic experienced-enough that I'd want them building my 
> bike, who would quote under $100 for a frame-up bike assembly, when I've 
> bought none of the parts from them and didn't buy the frame from them. 
>  It's a 3-4 hour job.  Any mechanic worth their salt is billing $1 a minute 
> for the shop to keep the lights on.  
>
> There are bargains to be had out there, to be sure.  If you luck-out and 
> find wheels on sale, good job.  If you know how to find used parts for 
> cheap, terrific.  The existence of cheap used parts does not make Rivendell 
> a price gouger, though.  It's especially ungenerous to imply that, 
> particularly when Rivendell is unique in their praise and promotion of 
> good-cheap parts (like the Acera rear mech).  That's my opinion.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 11:26:21 AM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> I'd order the parts and then have your local independent bike shop 
>> assemble it, because ordering everything yourself is going to save you a 
>> considerable amount of money if you want the *exact* same parts build 
>> that Riv would put on. If you decide you want to spend the same amount of 
>> money as a Riv build package, you'll get *much* better parts. Your LIBS 
>> can likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 charge. Check 
>> out the builds on Blue Lug and have fun shopping. 
>>
>> I don't want to diss Riv's part pricing, but you can find better prices 
>> elsewhere even for the same components. For example, Riv is selling the WI 
>> MI5/Atlas wheelset for over $1000 
>> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/wheelset-white-industries-mi5-hubs-bto?variant=41760074498159>,
>>  
>> then tack on a shipping fee and tax. I bought the *exact same wheelset* 
>> (with 
>> DT Swiss double-butted spokes) for $750 hand-built by ProWheelBuilder (they 
>> had a 15% off WI sell last month). No tax in my state, no build fee, free 
>> shipping. For Riv's cost for an Acera rear mech, you can get a gently used 
>> Deore XT. And so on. 
>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 1:42:20 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick and others surely remember this one…unless rewritten mostly way 
>>> out date now. But that’s about where/when we started.
>>>
>>> It’s a long road full of triumphs and disasters. Add ‘em, more triumphs 
>>> for sure. That’s how/why we’re still here 浪
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 8:32 AM Michael  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all, 
>>>> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
>>>> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a 
>>>> bike 
>>>> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
>>>> inclined. 
>>>>
>>>> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
>>>> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
>>>> wiser to just order it complete? 
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
>

Re: [RBW] DIY build or order complete?

[Robert Calton]

I'd order the parts and then have your local independent bike shop assemble 
it, because ordering everything yourself is going to save you a 
considerable amount of money if you want the *exact* same parts build that 
Riv would put on. If you decide you want to spend the same amount of money 
as a Riv build package, you'll get *much* better parts. Your LIBS can 
likely assemble for ~$100 or less rather than Riv's $300 charge. Check out 
the builds on Blue Lug and have fun shopping. 

I don't want to diss Riv's part pricing, but you can find better prices 
elsewhere even for the same components. For example, Riv is selling the WI 
MI5/Atlas wheelset for over $1000 
,
 
then tack on a shipping fee and tax. I bought the *exact same wheelset* (with 
DT Swiss double-butted spokes) for $750 hand-built by ProWheelBuilder (they 
had a 15% off WI sell last month). No tax in my state, no build fee, free 
shipping. For Riv's cost for an Acera rear mech, you can get a gently used 
Deore XT. And so on. 
On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 1:42:20 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> Patrick and others surely remember this one…unless rewritten mostly way 
> out date now. But that’s about where/when we started.
>
> It’s a long road full of triumphs and disasters. Add ‘em, more triumphs 
> for sure. That’s how/why we’re still here 浪
>
> Jock
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 8:32 AM Michael  wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
>> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
>> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
>> inclined. 
>>
>> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
>> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
>> wiser to just order it complete? 
>>
>> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
>> stupid!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Robert Calton]

To add an amusing, cynical thought: can you imagine Shifting-as-a-Service? 
New fully integrated wireless 5G groupsets charge you $10/month for 1,000 
shifts and then you're stuck with a fixie. Or pony up $40/month for 
unlimited shifts and get your shifting analytics pushed to the latest Shimano 
E-Tube app <https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/e-tube/project.html>. 

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 12:31:29 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> My sense is that the complexity of bikes has risen proportionally with the 
> extent to which* riders have agreed to make bicycling complex*. Decades 
> ago, we as riders didn't much care about quantifying the power put to the 
> pedals, then in the late 80s, powermeters became a thing. Then as our 
> society became more and more technologically insatiable, electronic 
> groupsets blew up in the early 2000's...then folks decided *wireless* 
> groupsets had to be a thing (first released only 4 years after the first 
> iPad). Our wireless, digital, always-connected world had to permeate all 
> aspects of our life -- at least *all* companies did a good job marketing 
> that to us. 
>
> The video makes a good callout with the "Tesla-fication" of cars. Not just 
> EVs, but now we see full ICE cars with giant touchscreens that nestle basic 
> climate controls and radio features behind menus. Cars have over-the-air 
> updates like our smartphones. We continue to pay monthly subscriptions to 
> use features on the cars we own that the manufacturers say should be 
> as-a-service. We're starting to see this with bikes, but on the other side 
> we're also seeing a proliferation of small independent bike shops who rehab 
> older frames with quality new parts and sell those bikes instead of the 
> latest big-box arguments of how bikes should be. The good news is that the 
> pendulum is starting to swing the other way. 
>
> Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 
> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuO4fV1qq8=3348s
>> I thought this was an interesting discussion, certainly for us Rivendell 
>> owners. I know Russ can be polarizing, but I like his approach to cycling 
>> and appreciate his thoughts.
>> Randy in WI
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Are bikes becoming too complicated?

[Robert Calton]

My sense is that the complexity of bikes has risen proportionally with the 
extent to which* riders have agreed to make bicycling complex*. Decades 
ago, we as riders didn't much care about quantifying the power put to the 
pedals, then in the late 80s, powermeters became a thing. Then as our 
society became more and more technologically insatiable, electronic 
groupsets blew up in the early 2000's...then folks decided *wireless* 
groupsets had to be a thing (first released only 4 years after the first 
iPad). Our wireless, digital, always-connected world had to permeate all 
aspects of our life -- at least *all* companies did a good job marketing 
that to us. 

The video makes a good callout with the "Tesla-fication" of cars. Not just 
EVs, but now we see full ICE cars with giant touchscreens that nestle basic 
climate controls and radio features behind menus. Cars have over-the-air 
updates like our smartphones. We continue to pay monthly subscriptions to 
use features on the cars we own that the manufacturers say should be 
as-a-service. We're starting to see this with bikes, but on the other side 
we're also seeing a proliferation of small independent bike shops who rehab 
older frames with quality new parts and sell those bikes instead of the 
latest big-box arguments of how bikes should be. The good news is that the 
pendulum is starting to swing the other way. 

Thanks for coming to my TED talk. 
On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuO4fV1qq8=3348s
> I thought this was an interesting discussion, certainly for us Rivendell 
> owners. I know Russ can be polarizing, but I like his approach to cycling 
> and appreciate his thoughts.
> Randy in WI
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

Good question, chef. I did consider other options, including a 42T 1x setup 
like I had on my previous bicycle. When I looked at Rivendell's build 
options and other writings, they suggested the 38/24 for all-around riding 
on a variety of surfaces and if you didn't have a preference, go with that. 
My riding generally involves city pavement, slow roll group rides, rail 
trails, and only light groomed wooded trails all at party pace. I generally 
didn't pedal much downhill anyway on the last bike I had, so I figured this 
would be a good starting point. 

Good thing is, these Silver cranksets hold their value well and if I feel 
like I need something a little bigger, I can always switch down the road at 
a minimal cost :) 
On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 2:47:55 PM UTC-4 chefd...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Robert,  just wondering if you have considered a 42/28, or other 
> options for the front?
> I have been running a Silver 38/24 with a chainguard on my All-Rounder for 
> the past year or so, and I'm planning on converting to a triple, swapping 
> out the guard for a third, 46T ring. I found the smaller design of the 
> crank to be frustrating ...even on level ground, I'll be pushing the limit. 
> Downhills are only for coasting. That said, the smallest ring of the 
> freewheel has 13T.
> When I built my Homer, I went with a VO 46/30 compact double. So far, so 
> good!
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 4:52:00 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>
>> To add another data point:
>>
>> I've been using the Shimano Sora FD on my Appaloosa.
>> It shifts a 42-24 front mated to a 12-36 rear flawlessly. In friction, of 
>> course.
>> Really, the shifting is amazing coming from the indexed FD on my other 
>> bike.
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_1702 2.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday 12 May 2024 at 04:05:30 UTC+9:30 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here 
>>> to pick a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece! 
>>>
>>> I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano 
>>> Deore XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's 
>>> for a triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double. 
>>>
>>> What would folks recommend? 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

That is extremely generous of you, Patrick, wow! I will then order this 
derailleur <https://www.ebay.com/itm/256209530268?var=556202231378> with 
delight (it's a little nicer condition than the other one). I plan to have 
my local, independent bike shop assemble the bike when all the parts arrive 
-- just waiting on this then and the wheels. They've got the right ethos 
for this community (they only sell steel, normal folk's bikes and mostly 
older "rescue" bikes they recondition), so I trust that they are experts on 
installation. I'll keep in touch after the build, hopefully with a 
successful report and some glamor shots :) 

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:54:47 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Robert: If you will be using a 9 speed cassette, I'll go out on a limb and 
> predict that the first-gen DA will work fine. I'll go so far as to offer: 
> If after trying it and getting expert advice if it * does not* work, and 
> as long as the FD is in the same condition as when you bought it, I'll buy 
> the 1st gen DA from you for your full purchase price minus your shipping 
> expense from the seller. (I'll pay *your* shipping cost *to me,* of 
> course.)
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:45 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the wealth of information Patrick :) I am excited to learn 
>> more about bicycles in general and thrilled to build this Homer over the 
>> next month. I will be running a 9-speed cassette, so I don't think that 
>> I'll be trying to find a super narrow FD cage. I'll look into the DA 7402 
>> and similar derailleurs. I like the all-silver look. 
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:40:32 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Forgot to address one of your questions: * Does me running 11-36 
>>> cassette have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?*
>>>
>>> It might, since with such a small outer cog the chain will be closer to 
>>> the chainstay and bottom of the FD cage than with a bigger outer like a 13 
>>> or 14. Whether this makes a difference in your case, I cannot say for sure, 
>>> but again I'd *guess* that, since you will be using the 11 only with 
>>> the 38, this won't matter.
>>>
>>> There's also the matter of a wider cassette and chain rub on the 
>>> derailleur cage. Is your cassette 11 speed or more? If so, I can't speak to 
>>> that, but the wider the change in chain angle and the narrower the FD cage 
>>> (as, for a 1st-gen DA road FD for 5 o 6 speed freewheels) the more chance 
>>> of chain rub on the extreme outside and inside cogs unless you trim the FD. 
>>> For me, I use my DA 7402 (I am pretty sure) FD with a 10 sp cassette and 
>>> when I set the FD "in the middle" of its range there is no chain rub either 
>>> in small or big cogs, and I think there's still futher leeway for chain 
>>> angle without rubbing.
>>>
>>> Also affecting chain angle is chainstay length, but as this the RBW list 
>>> and not rec.bicycles.tech or Cat.6.fredlist, I'd guess that will not be a 
>>> problem for you.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've not used a first-gen DA FD, but I have used a 7400 and a 740n -- 
>>>> either 01 or 02; I think it's the latter. Again, it shifts very well over 
>>>> a 
>>>> 44/28 and also did so ove a 38/24.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I may simply be less demanding about FD performance; and I don't 
>>>> shift the front a great deal (my setups since the 2X9 on the Fargo are 1X 
>>>> + 
>>>> granny) but when I do shift the front, I don't have any more problems than 
>>>> I had with more typical road doubles or old-time mtb tripls.
>>>>
>>>> I do have a chain catcher mounted to the chainstay just aft of the bb 
>>>> to prevent chain suck, but I first installed that on the Fargo with the 
>>>> 46/36/24 triple when I was having chainsuck problems; I've not had that 
>>>> problem with the 2Xs.
>>>>
>>>> To sum up and answer your question directly re the 1st-gen DA FD: I 
>>>> guess it will work fine. But if you ask me in court, I'll deny everything.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck! And keep us informed.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 1:16 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on 
>>>>> eBay, first gen 
>>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/156203422002?itmmeta=01HXMGZA1GWNBSX67S31YDQ76P=item245e731132:g:n34AAOSw~59licD5=

Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

Thanks for the wealth of information Patrick :) I am excited to learn more 
about bicycles in general and thrilled to build this Homer over the next 
month. I will be running a 9-speed cassette, so I don't think that I'll be 
trying to find a super narrow FD cage. I'll look into the DA 7402 and 
similar derailleurs. I like the all-silver look. 

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 4:40:32 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Forgot to address one of your questions: * Does me running 11-36 cassette 
> have anything to do with the front derailleur choice?*
>
> It might, since with such a small outer cog the chain will be closer to 
> the chainstay and bottom of the FD cage than with a bigger outer like a 13 
> or 14. Whether this makes a difference in your case, I cannot say for sure, 
> but again I'd *guess* that, since you will be using the 11 only with the 
> 38, this won't matter.
>
> There's also the matter of a wider cassette and chain rub on the 
> derailleur cage. Is your cassette 11 speed or more? If so, I can't speak to 
> that, but the wider the change in chain angle and the narrower the FD cage 
> (as, for a 1st-gen DA road FD for 5 o 6 speed freewheels) the more chance 
> of chain rub on the extreme outside and inside cogs unless you trim the FD. 
> For me, I use my DA 7402 (I am pretty sure) FD with a 10 sp cassette and 
> when I set the FD "in the middle" of its range there is no chain rub either 
> in small or big cogs, and I think there's still futher leeway for chain 
> angle without rubbing.
>
> Also affecting chain angle is chainstay length, but as this the RBW list 
> and not rec.bicycles.tech or Cat.6.fredlist, I'd guess that will not be a 
> problem for you.
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 2:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I've not used a first-gen DA FD, but I have used a 7400 and a 740n -- 
>> either 01 or 02; I think it's the latter. Again, it shifts very well over a 
>> 44/28 and also did so ove a 38/24.
>>
>> Now, I may simply be less demanding about FD performance; and I don't 
>> shift the front a great deal (my setups since the 2X9 on the Fargo are 1X + 
>> granny) but when I do shift the front, I don't have any more problems than 
>> I had with more typical road doubles or old-time mtb tripls.
>>
>> I do have a chain catcher mounted to the chainstay just aft of the bb to 
>> prevent chain suck, but I first installed that on the Fargo with the 
>> 46/36/24 triple when I was having chainsuck problems; I've not had that 
>> problem with the 2Xs.
>>
>> To sum up and answer your question directly re the 1st-gen DA FD: I guess 
>> it will work fine. But if you ask me in court, I'll deny everything.
>>
>> Good luck! And keep us informed.
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 1:16 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on 
>>> eBay, first gen 
>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/156203422002?itmmeta=01HXMGZA1GWNBSX67S31YDQ76P=item245e731132:g:n34AAOSw~59licD5=enc%3AAQAJAAABEF1YcKCwhxvKTsO9pDaGLqEXCL0Zi0kr4wWrhnmkXjTQ2DnCoH2NdAhg7jvIOaNU%2BDO%2B1iOqOy1Mo%2FY0SQofRIqFYHaL9YHrRUAiJDD1GC0OvjtIe0ZVNzEUywGtzFUS5AN19PPQQM0iCrSseVeaxlRJ%2BH1NkJkLh4eT6Pe858pxyG92ZQmkqvsPbPmunr9Erlc40hS3bat4nMl1FFYG5Su3gSBAbk5YwwJj3681dYYD%2FKfndZlcixKY7m6bPtuHcIS9s3dVFNUnFrFam0E%2FFKWNxIDN%2F8Z31DgEyMDXRPQjXvJijx5FBXP4EtaA2hMWmnfebdUiI3Wy6whpTfUGDpFDixjJxbrYTgDIxWgNs%2F8D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-qg_ZDtYw>,
>>>  
>>> and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my 
>>> front chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 cassette 
>>> have anything to do with the front derailleur choice? 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 2:54:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Robert: About 10 years ago I swapped out a 3X7 drivetrain on my 2010 
>>>> Fargo for a 2X9. The 3X7 consisted of 46/36/24 rings pulling (iirc) a 
>>>> 15-24 
>>>> 7sp cassette, and I swapped that out for a 38/24 X something-like 13-26 9 
>>>> speed (29 1/2" Schwalbe Big Apples, then ditto Big Ones).
>>>>
>>>> The derailleurs were both LX of the period. When I converted the 
>>>> chainrings I simply swapped the 46 outer for a (BBG) bashguard, swapped 
>>>> the 
>>>> 36 for a 38, and adjusted the FD throw limit screw. I did *not* change 
>>>> the position of the FD on the seat tube. After all, the FD shifted the 
>>>> 36/24 properly in that position, and it's not surprising that it shifted 
>>>> the 38/24 properly in the same position.
>>>>
>>>> Later I swapped the LX FD for an ancient Dura Ace FD w

Re: [RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

Thanks Patrick! I saw a really nice bottom pull DA front mech used on eBay, 
first 
gen 
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/156203422002?itmmeta=01HXMGZA1GWNBSX67S31YDQ76P=item245e731132:g:n34AAOSw~59licD5=enc%3AAQAJAAABEF1YcKCwhxvKTsO9pDaGLqEXCL0Zi0kr4wWrhnmkXjTQ2DnCoH2NdAhg7jvIOaNU%2BDO%2B1iOqOy1Mo%2FY0SQofRIqFYHaL9YHrRUAiJDD1GC0OvjtIe0ZVNzEUywGtzFUS5AN19PPQQM0iCrSseVeaxlRJ%2BH1NkJkLh4eT6Pe858pxyG92ZQmkqvsPbPmunr9Erlc40hS3bat4nMl1FFYG5Su3gSBAbk5YwwJj3681dYYD%2FKfndZlcixKY7m6bPtuHcIS9s3dVFNUnFrFam0E%2FFKWNxIDN%2F8Z31DgEyMDXRPQjXvJijx5FBXP4EtaA2hMWmnfebdUiI3Wy6whpTfUGDpFDixjJxbrYTgDIxWgNs%2F8D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-qg_ZDtYw>,
 
and it says it has a 16T capacity. Since I'm at 14T differential on my 
front chainrings (38-24),  would this work? Does me running 11-36 cassette 
have anything to do with the front derailleur choice? 

On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 2:54:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Robert: About 10 years ago I swapped out a 3X7 drivetrain on my 2010 Fargo 
> for a 2X9. The 3X7 consisted of 46/36/24 rings pulling (iirc) a 15-24 7sp 
> cassette, and I swapped that out for a 38/24 X something-like 13-26 9 speed 
> (29 1/2" Schwalbe Big Apples, then ditto Big Ones).
>
> The derailleurs were both LX of the period. When I converted the 
> chainrings I simply swapped the 46 outer for a (BBG) bashguard, swapped the 
> 36 for a 38, and adjusted the FD throw limit screw. I did *not* change 
> the position of the FD on the seat tube. After all, the FD shifted the 
> 36/24 properly in that position, and it's not surprising that it shifted 
> the 38/24 properly in the same position.
>
> Later I swapped the LX FD for an ancient Dura Ace FD which I did mount a 
> bit lower, but for the bottom of the cage to clear the chainstay as well as 
> for the lower edge of the cage to clear the (IIRC, 48 t-size) bash guard, 
> the FD had to be placed much where it would have been placed for a 
> 46/36/24. The DA FD worked just as well as the LX. Again, 38/24 X 15-24 (or 
> close) drivetrain.
>
> Nowadays, I have a 44/28 wide-range "subcompact" setup and the same DA FD 
> positioned high enough above the 44 to clear the 48-t-equivalent bashguard; 
> here too front shifts are just fine.
>
> FWIW.
>
> Matthews "road bike for dirt" with 42/28 (before I installed the 44) and 
> Dura Ace 740-something FD. There must be close to an inch of gap between 
> the bottom of the outer FD cage plate and the top of the teeth of the 42 t 
> ring:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 12:35 PM Robert Calton  wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here to 
>> pick a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece! 
>>
>> I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano 
>> Deore XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's 
>> for a triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double. 
>>
>> What would folks recommend?  
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[RBW] Front derailleur options for 38/24 front, 11-36 rear?

[Robert Calton]

Good afternoon group! :) Hoping to tap into the collective wisdom here to 
pick a front derailleur for my Homer build, it's the last piece! 

I'll be using the Silver 38/24 crankset, 11-36 cassette with the Shimano 
Deore XT M761 rear derailleur. I saw that the matching XT front says it's 
for a triple chainring, so I need to find something that's for a double. 

What would folks recommend? 

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[RBW] Re: Susie green color discrepancy

[Robert Calton]

The periwinkle Sams look a little different on build than the initial color 
sample we saw in the weekly email too. That said, I love the darker green 
on the Susie, but that orange is spicy. 

On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 1:31:58 PM UTC-4 tal...@gmail.com wrote:

> Saw Blue Lug's most recent Instagram story with what looks like some 
> pictures of the new Susies in both colors. The green looks substantially 
> different than the image on Riv's website. Makes me wish I'd ordered an 
> orange...
>
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[RBW] Re: 007 Rescued!

[Robert Calton]

Lovely frame and a great job by them for sure!

On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 6:52:36 PM UTC-4 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> I bought this Saluki, serial #007, used in 03 or 4.  It soon became my go 
> to ride, but after another twenty years on dirt roads the frame showed a 
> lot of wear and tear.  I hated sacrificing the beautiful yellow decals but 
> am thrilled by what a good color match and quality job RaceMetalSmith of 
> White River Jct. VT did.  Next up, rebuild and a sweet ride.
> [image: IMG_2615.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Bar Tape and/or Grips on an Albatross Bar

[Robert Calton]

If you want cork grips that support bar end shifters, I can't recommend 
highly enough Meisha's cork grips. You see them on a lot of Rivs but 
nowhere stateside stocks them, including Riv (who I believe used to stock 
them). 

You can now get them from Blue Lug 
here: 
https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-miesha-s-portuguese-tree-cork-grips-sifter.html.
 
Use some twine with them. They feel great and look even better. 
On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 5:00:48 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> I love cheapo cork grips on albatross bars. The kind of grip with cork 
> grains glued together into a cushy mass. For example: 
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/242114-cardiff-grips-gryfed-cork-6386
>
> I think Ergon cork grips would work great too, I've just never used them.
> -Wes
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2024 at 1:37:14 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I just recently installed Albatrass bars on my new to me Roadini. I also 
>> installed bar end shifters. I'm thinking I'll wrap Newbaums tape for grips 
>> but am considering some padding in the grip area. Has anyone used padding 
>> or been able to slide an ESI type of grip over the shifters? I've also 
>> considered splitting an ESI grip and wrapping that with Newbaums. Any 
>> examples or ideas would be most appreciated.
>> Doug
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brand new Deore derailleurs in box, front and rear

[Robert Calton]

SOLD! Thanks all! Happy trails :)

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 1:38:18 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Listed on eBay/Facebook now. 
>
> Dropping the price for this group only to *$70 shipped* *for both.*
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:06:05 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Another image
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-05-05 at 4.54.25 PM.png]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:04:20 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> Decided to go a different route for this Homer build, so these new parts 
>>> are catch and release. Hoping to keep them in the community before I eBay 
>>> them :) 
>>>
>>> M591 SGS Rear: $50
>>> M510 Front: $30
>>> *Both: $75 shipped. [image: Screenshot 2024-05-05 at 4.54.09 PM.png]*
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brand new Deore derailleurs in box, front and rear

[Robert Calton]

Listed on eBay/Facebook now. 

Dropping the price for this group only to *$70 shipped* *for both.*

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:06:05 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Another image
> [image: Screenshot 2024-05-05 at 4.54.25 PM.png]
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 5:04:20 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Decided to go a different route for this Homer build, so these new parts 
>> are catch and release. Hoping to keep them in the community before I eBay 
>> them :) 
>>
>> M591 SGS Rear: $50
>> M510 Front: $30
>> *Both: $75 shipped. [image: Screenshot 2024-05-05 at 4.54.09 PM.png]*
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Scam alert? I'm so confused. Blue Homer in LA? ND?

[Robert Calton]

 see you go through this ordeal. I wish it was 
>>>>> not so.
>>>>>
>>>>> The administrator for this RBWOB group is Jim - cyclo...@gmail.com
>>>>> Your message may take a day or two for him to respond. I hope he can 
>>>>> help you.
>>>>>
>>>>> My regards,
>>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>> I got scammed too last year over these - 
>>>>> https://global.bluelug.com/catalog/product/view/id/27109/s/rew10-works-hex-brass-valve-cap/category/1321/
>>>>>   
>>>>> last year.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 9:17:48 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The more I think about this the more fired up I get. I've had so many 
>>>>>> pleasant exchanges here, both transactional and non-transactional, that 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> feel protective of this group. If no scam is happening, no one will be 
>>>>>> bummed on me sharing out a phone number and email. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was direct messaged from 'Jeff McCathern' via 
>>>>>> *jeff00m...@gmail.com* who said they were friends with a seller 
>>>>>> named "Leonard" and I gave my phone number to that emailer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The text message correspondence was with phone number *424-269-2563 
>>>>>> <(424)%20269-2563>* which got super cryptic and scammy. When they 
>>>>>> told me the bike was in LA, I said I would happily have a friend (I have 
>>>>>> lots of friends in LA, some are in this group!) meet up to buy the bike, 
>>>>>> they accused me of being cautious and suggested a deposit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure who the admins of this group are, but everything about this 
>>>>>> says *scam*. I would love to be wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:48:01 PM UTC-7 Brenton Eastman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi. I've been searching for a blue homer in 54.5 for my wife and in 
>>>>>>> my ISO post I was linked to this facebook listing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> " @Brenton -
>>>>>>> If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue 
>>>>>>> Homer under the owner's name of 
>>>>>>> *Payton Beargrr* 
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/user/33810597/?__cft__[0]=AZWM_HUDwICO-DZxRDgeH6PKEH27Q60_rtRW56T14XolOXVDtbhiBhqSs5IRAf2tQDooAhYlS1GgrtEsUMVFG9ZrTDTGQLgc2dwfiW-pCa6kFgLsLZXBqq6yep7jrikH2XvXt0mesTqEacdgnkqciYIV4VxMZbmA-_JjOgp9P2iC9Yu-ioEmc_h01k1sYLT7-4XapFpB_ZNlHwVe_6xRHXgq&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. 
>>>>>>> Unsure of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made 
>>>>>>> frame. I 
>>>>>>> am not the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. 
>>>>>>> -Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post
>>>>>>> -Brooks saddle
>>>>>>> -Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers
>>>>>>> -Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters
>>>>>>> -Riv Silver double crankset
>>>>>>> -IRD front derailleur
>>>>>>> -Shimano Alivio rear derailleur
>>>>>>> -MKS Grip Monarch pedals
>>>>>>> -mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims
>>>>>>> -Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b
>>>>>>> -Sackville bag
>>>>>>> The only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top 
>>>>>>> tube, noted in the pictures. 
>>>>>>> $2500 + shipping. 
>>>>>>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other people seem to also be looking at this bike. Robert Carlton 
>>>>>>> said owner confirmed it's a 58. The facebook post has some comments and 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> owner says the bike is in *Fargo ND.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been texting with someone (who says the bike is in *LA*) and 
>>>>>>> he wants a $400 deposit to sell it to me 

Re: [RBW] Re: Scam alert? I'm so confused. Blue Homer in LA? ND?

[Robert Calton]

number and email. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was direct messaged from 'Jeff McCathern' via 
>>>>>> *jeff00m...@gmail.com* who said they were friends with a seller 
>>>>>> named "Leonard" and I gave my phone number to that emailer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The text message correspondence was with phone number *424-269-2563 
>>>>>> <(424)%20269-2563>* which got super cryptic and scammy. When they 
>>>>>> told me the bike was in LA, I said I would happily have a friend (I have 
>>>>>> lots of friends in LA, some are in this group!) meet up to buy the bike, 
>>>>>> they accused me of being cautious and suggested a deposit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure who the admins of this group are, but everything about this 
>>>>>> says *scam*. I would love to be wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 8:48:01 PM UTC-7 Brenton Eastman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi. I've been searching for a blue homer in 54.5 for my wife and in 
>>>>>>> my ISO post I was linked to this facebook listing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> " @Brenton -
>>>>>>> If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue 
>>>>>>> Homer under the owner's name of 
>>>>>>> *Payton Beargrr* 
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/user/33810597/?__cft__[0]=AZWM_HUDwICO-DZxRDgeH6PKEH27Q60_rtRW56T14XolOXVDtbhiBhqSs5IRAf2tQDooAhYlS1GgrtEsUMVFG9ZrTDTGQLgc2dwfiW-pCa6kFgLsLZXBqq6yep7jrikH2XvXt0mesTqEacdgnkqciYIV4VxMZbmA-_JjOgp9P2iC9Yu-ioEmc_h01k1sYLT7-4XapFpB_ZNlHwVe_6xRHXgq&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. 
>>>>>>> Unsure of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made 
>>>>>>> frame. I 
>>>>>>> am not the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. 
>>>>>>> -Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post
>>>>>>> -Brooks saddle
>>>>>>> -Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers
>>>>>>> -Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters
>>>>>>> -Riv Silver double crankset
>>>>>>> -IRD front derailleur
>>>>>>> -Shimano Alivio rear derailleur
>>>>>>> -MKS Grip Monarch pedals
>>>>>>> -mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims
>>>>>>> -Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b
>>>>>>> -Sackville bag
>>>>>>> The only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top 
>>>>>>> tube, noted in the pictures. 
>>>>>>> $2500 + shipping. 
>>>>>>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other people seem to also be looking at this bike. Robert Carlton 
>>>>>>> said owner confirmed it's a 58. The facebook post has some comments and 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> owner says the bike is in *Fargo ND.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been texting with someone (who says the bike is in *LA*) and 
>>>>>>> he wants a $400 deposit to sell it to me for $1300 (complete bike, 
>>>>>>> insane 
>>>>>>> price). The whole thing is odd. They can't send me a pic with measure 
>>>>>>> tape 
>>>>>>> to prove a claim of *69cm standover*. It sure doesn't look like a 
>>>>>>> 54.5 based on every other Riv stack I've seen and studied. Our messages 
>>>>>>> have been super cryptic. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just *HOPE* anyone else looking for a blue homer in 58 or 54.5 
>>>>>>> doesn't fall for a scam. Posting here amongst people I trust, admire, 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> have become friends with. My Roadini frame and dozens of parts on both 
>>>>>>> my 
>>>>>>> Rivs have been purchased from this group. I don't want to stir up any 
>>>>>>> drama 
>>>>>>> if this is in fact a legit sale, but the listing is from Jan 2023, 16 
>>>>>>> months old, this bike at any price under $2000 should be long gone on 
>>>>>>> it's 
>>>>>>> way to a new owner. PS. I'm not sending a deposit.
>>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of nice Chrome parts for your builds/projects

[Robert Calton]

Messaged about the cable hanger :) 

On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 4:25:05 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> Hey Everyone!
>
> I recently put together a new build and in going through all the stuff in 
> my bin I realized I needed to cull through some my reserves/recently 
> acquired but swapped gear. Here's what I'm looking to move on to happy new 
> homes, Buyers pay shipping:
>
>
>- *Velo Orange Silver Grand Cru Long Pull brake levers and shims - $45*
>- *Pair of Shimano DXR V brakes - $50*
>- *Clipper Triple Crank(with chain guard for double conversion - $70*
>- *1 1/8” Nitto x Fairweather silver cable hanger(opened but never 
>mounted) - $25*
>- *Sram 11-34 cassette - $15*
>- *Shimano Deore LX M563 front and rear matching Derailleurs - $45 OBO*
>- *Velocity Atlas Front Wheel on Deore Hub by Hands on wheels(looks 
>nearly new) - $150*
>- *Single Tektro R559 See pull with second pair of kool stop pads(well 
>used, but works great) - $20*
>- *Pair of Soma Shikoro tires 38mm (low miles) - $60*
>- *Brooks Flyer Special (low miles, mounting scuffs on the rails) - 
>$80*
>
>
> *Photos here 
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[RBW] Re: FFS: bicycle sentences journal

[Robert Calton]

Ill take it, message me your paypal address
On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:35:35 PM UTC-4 Paul Richardson wrote:

> i've got a copy of the older edition, which is spiral bound and has spaces 
> to log details about your ride.  no writing in mine.  send me $5 paypal f+f 
> and it's all yours.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO // WTB // blue homer 54.5

[Robert Calton]

I spoke with this gentleman last week during my search and it is indeed a 
58cm frame from the 2019 run. 

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 8:46:35 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> That post says its still available as of 3 days ago but he also mentioned 
> its most likely a 58 not a 54.5. The 54.5 is a 700C size.
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 2:03:12 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> I tried. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 10:59 PM Brenton Eastman  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That Facebook post is from Jan 2023 so I gotta assume that bike is gone. 
>>> Also the head tube looks very tall for a 54. Does anyone know if there were 
>>> 700c versions of AHH in 54.5?
>>>
>>> On Apr 27, 2024, at 9:04 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> @Brenton -
>>> If you go FACEBOOK Rivendell Bicycle BUY/SELL/TRADE, there is a blue 
>>> Homer under the owner's name of 
>>> *Payton Beargrr* 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Very near mint condition A. Homer Hilsen, 54.5cm with 650b wheels. 
>>> Unsure of year but it's likely 4 or less years old. Taiwanese made frame. I 
>>> am not the original owner but this appears to be a Rivendell build. 
>>> -Nitto handlebars, stem, and seat post
>>> -Brooks saddle
>>> -Paul racer brakes, Paul canti levers
>>> -Paul thumbie mounts with Microshift shifters
>>> -Riv Silver double crankset
>>> -IRD front derailleur
>>> -Shimano Alivio rear derailleur
>>> -MKS Grip Monarch pedals
>>> -mismatched Shimano hubs, no name rims
>>> -Soma Cazadero 650 x 42b
>>> -Sackville bag
>>> The only imperfections are the two small paint chips on the top tube, 
>>> noted in the pictures. 
>>> $2500 + shipping. 
>>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 8:12:21 PM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Looking for an AHH in Homer Blue. Not sure if older years came in sizes 
 other than 54.5 but that's about the size I want for my lady. Interested 
 in 
 new or used, frame+fork or complete, or a semi-complete project. 

 Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 700c wheelset (135mm rear) for Homer

[Robert Calton]

Found a good deal on a pair of Atlas/WI wheels. Thanks all for the feedback 
and offers and I look forward to posting the new build next month :) 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:42:54 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Maybe?
>
> Several years back I sold a Complete Toyo Atlantis to a neighbor.  I sold 
> the whole bike for $1900 and now looking at it through a 2024 lens, I gave 
> it away.  I reached out to my neighbor to see if he'd sell it back.  My 
> neighbor indicated he lives overseas for now, and that he sold the frame 
> set for $1400 a while back. The build kit is still in his garage, around 
> the corner from me.  I've asked him to sell me back the build kit, and I'm 
> awaiting his response on that.  If I procure that build kit, the wheel set 
> would be sensational on a 700c Hilsen.  Nothing is assured quite yet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 12:11:36 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Excited to assemble my upcoming Homer (first Riv!), but Velocity is 
>> backordered on the Atlas rims and it might be a month or more until I could 
>> get a pair. I'm curious if anyone here might have a wheelset for sale that 
>> would fit. 
>>
>> I plan on using 43mm tires and Paul centerpull brakes, 8sp Shimano 
>> cassette, would need a 135mm rear spacing. 
>
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[RBW] WTB: 700c wheelset (135mm rear) for Homer

[Robert Calton]

Excited to assemble my upcoming Homer (first Riv!), but Velocity is 
backordered on the Atlas rims and it might be a month or more until I could 
get a pair. I'm curious if anyone here might have a wheelset for sale that 
would fit. 

I plan on using 43mm tires and Paul centerpull brakes, 8sp Shimano 
cassette, would need a 135mm rear spacing. 

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Re: [RBW] Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

[Robert Calton]

Thank you for all the insight, folks. I just pulled the trigger on my first 
Riv, one that comes with Paul centerpulls. So I will do a deep-dive into 
this type of brake to learn as much as I can about them. Cheers!

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 8:14:24 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> I have to admit, my only centerpull experience is with bolt on Dia Compes 
> and Weimnmans, none of the fancy brakes.
>
> Then again, blue collar V brakes work great.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 7:55 PM Josiah Anderson  
> wrote:
>
>> I agree both with Bill's "it depends" and Eric's "(some) centerpulls are 
>> spooky weak when wet." That depends on the centerpulls. DC750s, for 
>> example, I would agree are marginal-to-dangerous when wet, which I 
>> attribute to their flexy arms and low mechanical advantage. Mafac Racers 
>> and Raids, however, are the equal of any brake I've used, dry or wet or 
>> icy, *when set up well* and with salmon pads. I have not used René Herse 
>> centerpulls, but since they're basically Raid copies I'd expect them to be 
>> excellent as well, which matches what I've heard about them. V-brakes seem 
>> to have fewer possibilities for variation in performance because they're so 
>> standardized in design and simple to set up, and therefore people don't 
>> experience bad ones as often. Bad v-brakes do exist but they usually come 
>> from Walmart.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le jeu. 25 avr. 2024 à 15:28, Eric Daume  a écrit :
>>
>>> Bill says “it depends,” but I can only offer my experience, which is 
>>> that both are adequate in the dry, but centerpulls are spooky weak when the 
>>> rims are wet. Centerpulls do look nicer, but in every performance category, 
>>> V brakes are a clear and easy win for me. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> V brake fan 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 25, 2024, Robert Calton  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes 
>>>> with regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one 
>>>> easier 
>>>> to adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel 
>>>> fundamentally different than the other during the ride? 
>>>>
>>>> I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it 
>>>> really *that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports 
>>>> v-brakes? Are there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping 
>>>> power? I wouldn't run more than 43mm tires and fenders.  
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[RBW] Centerpull vs V-Brakes in terms of maintenance and use

[Robert Calton]

I'm curious what the differences are between these two types of brakes with 
regards to their respective maintenance and general use. Is one easier to 
adjust and keep in good riding order than the other? Does one feel 
fundamentally different than the other during the ride? 

I've read that "stopping power" is greater on v-brakes, but is it really 
*that* much better to hold out for a frame that supports v-brakes? Are 
there other factors I'm overlooking other than stopping power? I wouldn't 
run more than 43mm tires and fenders. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Robert Calton]

@Ahmed: The 650b Homers look to be from 2019 MIT run and before. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 11:27:08 AM UTC-4 aelga...@castilleja.org 
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> Hi all,
> I’m curious about when the 54.5 650b is from? I thought all Rivs 54.5 
> Homers were 700c now. 
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> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 8:18 AM aeroperf  wrote:
>
>> All that considered, I’d say get the taller bike.
>> The folks at Riv do tend to put you on the tallest bike they think will 
>> clear your stand-over height.
>> The tiny bit extra chainstay length and wheelbase will add to the “Riv 
>> ride” feel.
>> And you won’t have so much seat post showing that you’ll think you've 
>> moved from a Salsa to a Brompton.
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[RBW] Re: 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Robert Calton]

@aero and @hoch: I am selling my customized Salsa Vaya 55cm (700c) to fund 
this purchase, and the Homer would be my only bicycle (I say that now). I 
don't have any specific tires in mind and I wouldn't have any other wheels 
to swap out. There seems to be several 42-44 tires that would fit my riding 
needs for 650b, and clearly a *lot* more for 700c. I wouldn't be doing any 
long touring on this where tire availability is a factor. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> Robert - the geometry comparison highlights the point I was going to make 
> that given your PBH, the 650b will likely have better standover clearance 
> if you want to run tires at the larger end of the Homer's range.
>
> My rough stuff road bike has disc brakes so could take either 650b or 700c 
> wheels. Since I was wanting to run wider tires I went with 650x48 to get 
> the extra 16mm standover in a frame size that is near the cusp of what I 
> can clear.
>
> That comparison shows a much larger difference in standover, as well as 
> other differences that make it look to me like the 650b will be a better 
> fit for your proportions.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:36:56 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bill! That's helpful. The colors are the same on both offerings 
>> and the 650B's build is essentially what I would do to the 700c (with the 
>> help of my lovely LBS, of course). I'm not really too concerned with resale 
>> value, but rather the general riding experience. I suppose I could simply 
>> research the litany of 650b vs 700c threads out there to learn more about 
>> this. The geometry between the two are slightly different, however. 
>>
>> The BikeInsights chart attached below shows the 700c to be quite a bit 
>> taller than the 650b, which I wonder if that translates into overall 
>> comfort with regards to standover and handling.  
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 10:22:15 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> If it were me the decision is close enough that I'd probably leave it to 
>>> the surrounding details of each transaction.  I'm a particularly snobby and 
>>> self-absorbed curator of "builds" so that would be a huge vote in favor of 
>>> the 700 because it's a frame, unless the curator of the 650b build did a 
>>> lot of the things I would have done.  The effective "labor cost" of doing a 
>>> build is essentially zero for me.  Is one a shop and the other a person? 
>>>  That would have some weight for me.  If the shop was one that I could 
>>> frequent, putting money in the register of a shop reaps benefits down the 
>>> road.  If the person was one that I had particular respect for, that could 
>>> tilt me a different way.  
>>>
>>> Then there's color!  
>>>
>>> but...if we took it to a purely hypothetical situation, and asserted 
>>> they were both frames, both in identical condition, at the same price, and 
>>> from the same seller, so the real and only difference was 650B vs 700, then 
>>> I'd probably lean 700 because the 700 wheel on the 54.5 is "the latest", 
>>> and probably has a tiny bit better future proof resale value.  If that 
>>> wasn't the case and it really was completely wheel size then I'd personally 
>>> probably lean 650B for a Hilsen, but it would be like a vote of 52 to 48, 
>>> and my leaning may change on another day.
>>>
>>> Both are great bikes.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 7:20:48 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either bicycle 
>>>> within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 5'11" with a 
>>>> 83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making 
>>>> this decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price difference 
>>>> is negligible. They both have similar components on it (the 650 is a 
>>>> complete bike, the 700c I'd have to build up from a frameset and the cost 
>>>> is about equal for both). 
>>>>
>>>> I mainly ride pavement and rail trails with the occasional wooded 
>>>> paths. 
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts? :) 
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] 54.5 Homer: 700c or 650b?

[Robert Calton]

It's looking like I'll have the opportunity to purchase either bicycle 
within the next week or so, a 54.5 Homer in 700c or 650b. I'm 5'11" with a 
83.8PBH, so spot on for both of those sizes. 

I'm curious what the wisdom of the community is in regards to making this 
decision, which should I consider more strongly? The price difference is 
negligible. They both have similar components on it (the 650 is a complete 
bike, the 700c I'd have to build up from a frameset and the cost is about 
equal for both). 

I mainly ride pavement and rail trails with the occasional wooded paths. 

Thoughts? :) 

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[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Robert Calton]

That does make sense. I wonder if a 130 stem with the Albatross bars on the 
51 would give enough knee clearance, because I definitely want to run those 
bars. 
On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:08:44 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I would never question Rivendell's knowledge on anything at all but like I 
> said their method of sizing bikes for people does not work for me 
> personally. If you are comfortable on the 55 Salsa the 54 SH will feel a 
> lot bigger. The 51 will likely feel pretty close. But I don't want to 
> discourage sizing up especially if you are diving into the sweptback 
> movement the kids are into these days.
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 8:02:45 PM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> OP here, apologies for deleting the post amidst the thoughtful 
>> conversation, I thought that I got the answer I needed and didn't want to 
>> clutter up the board :p 
>>
>> Will at Riv suggested that I size up to the 54. 
>>
>> The context was: compared to my current bike, a drop-bar 55cm Salsa 
>> Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 55cm...
>>
>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
>> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>>
>> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
>> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>>
>> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
>> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
>> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. That nearly 2" 
>> increase of standover height gives me pause, to be honest. But eh, seems 
>> that the wisdom of the riding community suggests sizing up. 
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 7:56:06 PM UTC-4 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>
>>> Echoing Bill on here. I also look at stack and reach, and have nearly 
>>> the same dimensions as the OP
>>>
>>> I had a 53 Atlantis from the last run as it was correct for my PBH as 
>>> I’m between the 53 and 55, after deep dives on stack and reach(in 
>>> particular) I realized what made the bike *feel* small to me. I 
>>> should’ve sized up to a 55 instead, and similar to Bill have now scooped a 
>>> 56 hillborne from another list member as it’s the biggest size non step 
>>> over riv I can fit. 
>>>
>>> Roman told me that the 54 Sam would feel bigger as far as 
>>> standover(mostly due to the 700c wheels) but the bike might feel similar to 
>>> the Atlantis for stack and the reach is shorter. He actually suggested a 
>>> 60cm Plat with my seat slammed since I’m 6 ft tall. And I know Grant rides 
>>> a 59cm Clem with only a slightly taller PBH than I have. 
>>>
>>> All that to say, I think I’ll be sizing up henceforth as I like toscos 
>>> or albatross bars usually and don’t mind the straddle heigh being close!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 6:42:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Johnny said: "the 51 SH I owned seemed as large or larger than the 54cm 
>>>> Rambo"
>>>>
>>>> I agree with that.  A 51 Sam is "bigger" than a 54cm Rambouillet, IMO. 
>>>>  My comment had to do with the OP's height at 5'11".  A 5'11" person would 
>>>> probably do best on a 60cm Ram.  At 5'10" I'd pick a 60cm if you gave me 
>>>> any size I choose.  A 57 Hillborne would be a little bigger than a 60 Ram, 
>>>> and a 54 Hilborne would be a little smaller.  The OP deleted their post so 
>>>> it's maybe a thread we should let die.  
>>>>
>>>> Here's a comment to those who are super confused by the numbers 
>>>> associated with bike sizing:  it is super confusing.  Different people 
>>>> have 
>>>> different approaches to normalize bike fitting.  The method I use is 
>>>> pretty 
>>>> common, and pretty contemporary, and that is Stack and Reach.  I keep my 
>>>> Stack and Reach numbers in my pocket and go from there.  The numbers I use 
>>>> are 600mm for Stack and 390mm for Reach for a roadish drop bar setup.  I 
>>>> have a ton of bikes, and the names of their sizes range from 47 all the 
>>>> way 
>>>> to 62, but are all where I want them to be in Stack and Reach.  Looking 
>>>> for 
>>>> those numbers the 54 is right there in Stack for 5'10" me, but it's a 
>>>> little short in the Reach department so I'd need to run a longer stem with 
>>>> drop bars and forget about it for any kind of upright bar setup.  The 
>>>&g

[RBW] Re: Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Robert Calton]

;>>
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>> Lex KY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am between sizes as well and my general rule is...if I want a 
>>>>>>>> more traditional setup/fit (maybe with drop bars) I size down. If I 
>>>>>>>> want to 
>>>>>>>> go laid back, more sweptback style I go up. With your PBH if you want 
>>>>>>>> drops 
>>>>>>>> go with the 51 otherwise the 54 might be best. If you want to size up 
>>>>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>> the standover gives you pause then consider a Platypus. I understand 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> advice to call Rivendell but (from my experience) they are almost 
>>>>>>>> always 
>>>>>>>> going to push you into a go larger direction and that has not 
>>>>>>>> historically 
>>>>>>>> always worked for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:20:35 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oooh, a new Sam - exciting!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) Send Riv an email and get their recommendation, they're great 
>>>>>>>>> with this stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) I'm a similar height but have an 87cm PBH. With your torso 
>>>>>>>>> length I'm guessing you'll want more reach, the concern is the 
>>>>>>>>> standover on 
>>>>>>>>> the 54cm Sam if you max out the tires. Either way you'll probably 
>>>>>>>>> want a 
>>>>>>>>> long stem on that Albatross. My 58cm top tube Albatross bike has a 
>>>>>>>>> 120mm 
>>>>>>>>> stem. The drop tube bikes (Susie, Platypus, Clem) are great for 
>>>>>>>>> getting a 
>>>>>>>>> longer fit without worrying about standover; I'm on a 60cm Platypus 
>>>>>>>>> and the 
>>>>>>>>> reach is luxurious.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:43:16 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Haven't had luck pinning down a used bike this last week, so I'm 
>>>>>>>>>> thinking I might try and buy a new Sam in May/June with the refresh 
>>>>>>>>>> and I 
>>>>>>>>>> don't know if the 51 or 54 frame size is the right choice. Compared 
>>>>>>>>>> to my 
>>>>>>>>>> current bike, a 55cm Salsa Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube 
>>>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>>>>> 55cm...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
>>>>>>>>>> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
>>>>>>>>>> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times 
>>>>>>>>>> I measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with 
>>>>>>>>>> a 30" 
>>>>>>>>>> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would like to run Albatross bars and be comfy about it. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which frame size should I choose? 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 54cm Appaloosa or Sam, or 53cm Atlantis

[Robert Calton]

Theres a 53 Atlantis in Columbus on the facebook group.  Thats just a hop 
skip from you. 

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 6:27:36 PM UTC-4 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:

> Preferably with swept bars (Choco, Losco, Billie, etc) or possibly frame 
> only. I'm in Cincinnati, OH and could travel a reasonable distance to pick 
> up, or shipping is possible. Also will be traveling to Kansas City, KS in 
> June and could pick up along that route, as well. 

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[RBW] Sizing question for "in between" PBH measurement

[Robert Calton]

Haven't had luck pinning down a used bike this last week, so I'm thinking I 
might try and buy a new Sam in May/June with the refresh and I don't know 
if the 51 or 54 frame size is the right choice. Compared to my current 
bike, a 55cm Salsa Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 55cm...

51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 

54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 

An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. 

I would like to run Albatross bars and be comfy about it. 

Which frame size should I choose? 


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WRe: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Robert Calton]

Will confirmed both the Atlantis and the Homer are slated for 2025.
On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 3:43:46 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> All I've seen is this quote from the Email Update:
>
> "After we get Susies, we'll have Sams 
> <https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-sam-hillborne-2020> in May/June 
> and then Roadunos. More info on that next week, probably. "
>
>  this tells me it always changes, and so we've got to plan based on the 
> latest info.  If you are patiently waiting for something super specific, 
> it's a good idea to email Will about it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 12:34:24 PM UTC-7 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> @Luke: Where did you see the Atlantis was going to be available this 
>> year? I've not seen it on the roadmap that was posted around. Anyone have 
>> more info on this? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:28:35 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot 
>>>> of bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
>>>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
>>>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
>>>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
>>>> the other one.
>>>>
>>>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
>>>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
>>>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, 
>>>> if 
>>>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
>>>> for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>>>>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>>>>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>>>>> Ram.
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Best Rivendell for pavement riding

[Robert Calton]

@Luke: Where did you see the Atlantis was going to be available this year? 
I've not seen it on the roadmap that was posted around. Anyone have more 
info on this? 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:28:35 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Worth noting: the Atlantis *will* be available later this year. 
>
> On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 9:57:14 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The other way to discover what you really want to ride is to buy a lot of 
>> bikes that sort of look like what you want (you are not sure what you 
>> want), upgrade them all, repeat several times as you try to perfect 
>> previously unrealized imperfections, then sell them at a loss. Do this for 
>> a couple of decades, then buy customs. This method costs a bit more than 
>> the other one.
>>
>> But yes, ride lots of Rivendells. All those I've owned (I bought 5 
>> including a 2nd-gen Ram and kept one that will turn 25 in April) all had a 
>> certain common handling and "feel" in common. And I do think that a Ram, if 
>> you don't want to spring for a Roadeo, might well be what you are looking 
>> for.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 7:39 PM Corwin Zechar  wrote:
>>
>>> ... Ride lots of bikes - Rivendells if possible. Think carefully about 
>>> what you want. Don't be afraid to try different things. Meditate on the 
>>> differences. And most of all, practice patience if you are looking for a 
>>> Ram.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 53 Atlantis

[Robert Calton]

You've got a message :)

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:40:35 AM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> PM'd
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 7:43:40 PM UTC-8 zac.te...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Selling my 53 Atlantis. Paul levers and neo-retro brakes, albatross bars, 
>> mks bear traps, silver cranks. In great condition, dirty in the pic but 
>> will be cleaned up before you take it! Will be sold without the 
>> rack/basket, and I'll swap the saddle out for a different b17 that's a 
>> little newer. 
>>
>> Asking for $2200. Would prefer to sell locally in the SF bay area (I'm on 
>> the peninsula) but would be willing to ship at buyers expense. 
>>
>> Feel free to ask any questions you may have. I'm sure there's something I 
>> missed. 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: VO 175mm Single Ring Crankset

[Robert Calton]

I'll take it :) Let's connect for payment and shipping. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 5:24:58 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> 1x setups are not for me. Barely ridden/almost zero wear on the chainring. 
> Some light scuffs but nothing major. 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/cranks/products/single-ring-crankset-w-nw-ring
> $110 shipped in the lower 48. 
>
> [image: IMG_5495.jpg]
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Robert Calton]

Aww, bummer :( Thanks for the info Johnny

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:33:10 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I believe that is blue not sage. Blue was available as a 51 frame.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 10:08:03 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug, thanks again for some insight. It seems they didn't make a 51 in 
>> the 2009 sage frame runs, it went from 48 to 52 and that measurement seems 
>> too big to be a 48. Unless they had sage frames in the 2017 run of 51's, 
>> that is, but I'm not sure when the color switch happened. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:32:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
>>> measurement for the listed sizes.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
>>>> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0>
>>>>  doesn't 
>>>> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
>>>> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
>>>> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top 
>>>>> of Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I 
>>>>> bought the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers 
>>>>> word and quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6" 
>>>>>  with a 28" inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely 
>>>>> clear the TT..
>>>>>
>>>>> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask 
>>>>>> them about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my 
>>>>>> size 
>>>>>> in this model given the other geometry :) 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I 
>>>>>>> don't know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> numbers are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b 
>>>>>>> wheels. 
>>>>>>> That is a nice looking build with nice parts.
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
>>>>>>>> and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely 
>>>>>>>> Hillborne. I 
>>>>>>>> just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The 
>>>>>>>> listing 
>>>>>>>> says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: 
>>>>>>>> on 
>>>>>>>> their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 
>>>>>>>> 54cm 
>>>>>>>> or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
>>>>>>>> sure 
>>>>>>>> a 53 would be fine too.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>>> Robert 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. 
>>>>>>>>> First up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>>>>>>>- Paul brake levers
>>>>>>>>>- Tektro brakes
>>>>>>>>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>>>>>>>- 9-speed cassette
>>>>>>>>>- Acera derailleur 
>>>>>>>>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>>>>>>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>>>>>>>>- Paul thumbies 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Robert Calton]

Hi Doug, thanks again for some insight. It seems they didn't make a 51 in 
the 2009 sage frame runs, it went from 48 to 52 and that measurement seems 
too big to be a 48. Unless they had sage frames in the 2017 run of 51's, 
that is, but I'm not sure when the color switch happened. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:32:56 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I'm thinking that this is a size 51 maybe since Riv uses the seat tube 
> measurement for the listed sizes.
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:23:55 PM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is 
>> indeed the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0>
>>  doesn't 
>> show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
>> would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
>> definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>
>>> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top 
>>> of Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I 
>>> bought the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers 
>>> word and quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6" 
>>>  with a 28" inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely 
>>> clear the TT..
>>>
>>> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
>>>> about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
>>>> this model given the other geometry :) 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
>>>>> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the 
>>>>> numbers 
>>>>> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> nice looking build with nice parts.
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling 
>>>>>> and hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> just wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing 
>>>>>> says 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on 
>>>>>> their site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 
>>>>>> 54cm 
>>>>>> or indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm 
>>>>>> sure 
>>>>>> a 53 would be fine too.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>> Robert 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. 
>>>>>>> First up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>>>>>- Paul brake levers
>>>>>>>- Tektro brakes
>>>>>>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>>>>>- 9-speed cassette
>>>>>>>- Acera derailleur 
>>>>>>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>>>>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>>>>>>- Paul thumbies 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 51cm $200/obo

[Robert Calton]

Thank you for those measurements. I'm trying to determine if this is indeed 
the 52cm frame, but alas this older geometry chart 
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0>
 doesn't 
show those two measurements you gave. I hate to trouble you further, but 
would it be possible to measure the top tube? That should determine 
definitively which it is, as that chart does have that measurement.

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:02:29 PM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> Measurement from center of BB to top of TT is 20". Center of BB to top of 
> Seat Tube is 20.25". Same for TT. I apologize for the confusion. I bought 
> the bike 3rd hand and never measured it. I just took the sellers word and 
> quite honestly I could have just misremembered it.  I am 5'6"  with a 28" 
> inseam. I have Compass 650Bx48 tires on the bike and I barely clear the TT..
>
> I forgot the Crank Brothers Stamp pedals.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:50:22 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
>> about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
>> this model given the other geometry :) 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't 
>>> know how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers 
>>> are accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a 
>>> nice looking build with nice parts.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling and 
>>>> hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. I 
>>>> just 
>>>> wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing says 
>>>> 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on their 
>>>> site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm or 
>>>> indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm sure a 
>>>> 53 would be fine too.  
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Robert 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First 
>>>>> up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>>>
>>>>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>>>- Paul brake levers
>>>>>- Tektro brakes
>>>>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>>>- 9-speed cassette
>>>>>- Acera derailleur 
>>>>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>>>>- Paul thumbies 
>>>>>
>>>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>>>
>>>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: VO 175mm Single Ring Crankset

[Robert Calton]

I'll take it :) How would you prefer payment? 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 5:24:58 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:

> 1x setups are not for me. Barely ridden/almost zero wear on the chainring. 
> Some light scuffs but nothing major. 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/cranks/products/single-ring-crankset-w-nw-ring
> $110 shipped in the lower 48. 
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Sam Hillborne Complete Albatross-build Bike (Waterford frame, Taiwan fork) $1800

[Robert Calton]

You can try posting to imgur  and just posting the link. 
Just drag and drop all the images right on over onto the imgur site. :)

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 5:00:30 PM UTC-4 Rich Lesnik wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how to post photos on the forum? I have 7 photos of the 
> previously listed 52cm Sam, but keep getting a "message too large" 
> notification when I try to post them.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-7 Rich Lesnik wrote:
>
>> This is my old Sam, returned to me by my brother who doesn't ride it 
>> anymore. Color is sage green. Suntour XCPro front/rear detailers, wheels 
>> built by me, Deore hubs, Atlas (rear) Synergy (front) rims. Sugino XD2 
>> triple crank. Includes B67 honey saddle, Gripking pedals. Local Bay Area 
>> pickup. Photos available on request (unless someone can tell me how to post 
>> photos on the forum!)
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Re: [RBW] WTB Atlantis 53cm, Homer 54.5cm, frame or complete

[Robert Calton]

Good looking out, Matthew. My PBH is 83.8, so unfortunately the 51cm 
Atlantis seems a wee bit short. Thank you for passing it along though! I've 
got some chats going on about a Sam and a Homer right now. Hopefully one of 
those works out :) 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 1:03:23 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here’s a 51cm Atlantis...
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-atlantis-new/7733367373.html
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2024, at 5:38 AM, Robert Calton  wrote:
>
> Also very interested in a Hillborne 52/54
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:36:15 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>
>> Looking for an Atlantis in 53cm or Homer in 54.5cm, frame or complete. 
>> I'm in the Boston metro or I'll cover shipping. 
>>
>> Thank you for your time and consideration. :) 
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[RBW] Re: WTB Atlantis 53cm, Homer 54.5cm, frame or complete

[Robert Calton]

Also very interested in a Hillborne 52/54

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:36:15 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:

> Looking for an Atlantis in 53cm or Homer in 54.5cm, frame or complete. I'm 
> in the Boston metro or I'll cover shipping. 
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration. :) 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 53cm $2500/obo

[Robert Calton]

Thanks Doug for the insight! I'll give Riv a call tomorrow and ask them 
about the PBH range for the 52, though I suspect that would be my size in 
this model given the other geometry :) 

On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 1:53:36 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I see on Bike Insights that Rivendell made a size 52 in 2009. I don't know 
> how accurate those numbers are on that website though. If the numbers are 
> accurate, they show a 57 effective top tube and 650b wheels. That is a nice 
> looking build with nice parts.
> Doug
>
> On Sunday, April 14, 2024 at 2:39:03 AM UTC-4 nca...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling and 
>> hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. I just 
>> wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing says 
>> 53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on their 
>> site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm or 
>> indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm sure a 
>> 53 would be fine too.  
>>
>> All the best,
>> Robert 
>>
>> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:
>>
>>> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First 
>>> up, a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>>>
>>>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>>>- Paul brake levers
>>>- Tektro brakes
>>>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>>>- 9-speed cassette
>>>- Acera derailleur 
>>>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>>>- Albatross handlebars 
>>>- Paul thumbies 
>>>
>>> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>>>
>>> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 53cm $2500/obo

[Robert Calton]

Good evening John. I'm sorry to hear about your reasons for selling and 
hope all is well, but I am very interested in this lovely Hillborne. I just 
wanted to double-check the size on it before I commit. The listing says 
53cm but I can't seem to find Rivendell's dimensions on a 53cm: on their 
site they have 51cm or 54cm. Could you please confirm if it is 54cm or 
indeed 53cm? I have a PBH of 83.8, which puts me in a 54cm, but I'm sure a 
53 would be fine too.  

All the best,
Robert 

On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 9:13:42 AM UTC-4 johnb wrote:

> Due to a progressive medical issue, my beloved Rivs have to go. First up, 
> a 53cm Sam Hillborne that includes:
>
>- New Albion cranks 46/30
>- Paul brake levers
>- Tektro brakes
>- Hand built (velocity/Velo Orange) wheels/Rene Herse 48 tires
>- 9-speed cassette
>- Acera derailleur 
>- Cambium Special Edition C-17 with orange rivets
>- Albatross handlebars 
>- Paul thumbies 
>
> Will be professionally packed by bike shop. Next up, 51cm Atlantis
>
> Photos: https://share.icloud.com/photos/075HDkT5H9Rkyy65vqo4lel2w
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[RBW] WTB Atlantis 53cm, Homer 54.5cm, frame or complete

[Robert Calton]

Looking for an Atlantis in 53cm or Homer in 54.5cm, frame or complete. I'm 
in the Boston metro or I'll cover shipping. 

Thank you for your time and consideration. :) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Packing Cubes

[Robert Blunt]

I am off to the Netherlands this morning to cycle around the Zuiderzee. I
bought the Ortlieb packing cubes and like their design very much. I think
they make taking stuff in and out of touring bags much more manageable.
Best,
Rob Blunt
Pennington, NJ

On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 9:32 AM Tony Lockhart  wrote:

> Haha, second reel was awesome. You just got another follower on IG! 
>
> Back on topic..those packing cubes are great. I like to use them for
> multi-country travel trips because they organize contents well. I hadn’t
> thought about using these on the bike—great idea! Thanks for sharing.
>
> On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 5:14:29 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
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>> [image: IMG_6058.jpeg]
>>
>> I likely have to do this in parts because Google Groups has been so
>> temperamental lately.
>>
>> Anyway, I’m probably the last to know, but I discovered Something of
>> Great Help and am passing it along.
>>
>> It’s 30 Days of Biking and I needed a post for today on my Instagram, so
>> I decided to write about my Cotopaxi packing cubes. When I was at the
>> Philly Bike Expo, Pam and I almost never had time to come back to our room
>> to get things. The weather in March is highly variable in Philedelphia, so
>> we had to pack whatever we’d need for the day and carry it on our bikes.
>> Pam and I started with an early morning (chilly!) group ride to a coffee
>> shop, so we needed warm exercise-friendly clothes there. Then it was
>> straight to the Expo, and I wanted to wear a cute ‘fit and not workout wear
>> - a spring sweater and fuchsia flare pants, so I had to bring them. We
>> needed warm things for the night ride to the after-party. Water. Snacks. We
>> had our Sackville bags, and we just took turns rifling through them, stuff
>> flying out and us carrying on about how we couldn’t find anything. “Where
>> are my arm warmers!” “Did I bring my thermal headband?” And so on. Several
>> times I believed I had left something back at the room, only to find it
>> later in the dark corners of my cavernous bag. I found stray vials of
>> saline, a Siamese cat sticker, smashed oat bars, loose dolla dolla bills
>> yo, a glove…This is ridiculous, I thought. I’m going to go home and find
>> some kind of solution.
>>
>> I found Cotopaxi Packing Cubes. You can get them on Amazon or from
>> Cotopaxi and they are so, so reasonable. They come in colors you don’t get
>> to choose but will surely be delighted with, and in several sizes. These
>> are going to be great in my Backabike bags this summer when I do my Chicago
>> to New Buffalo overnight ride. They weigh nothing. They keep everything
>> organized and they are cute. I also ordered a Rivendell Mountain Works
>> pouch from Riv to keep tools in. I decided it would be better for greasy
>> tools than the light-colored, mesh-sided Cotopaxi cubes. I’m still
>> deliberating on what I should actually PUT in the tool pouch.
>>
>> Anyway, here’s a pic or two and I’ll send the video, which is much
>> better, in the next post, if the Google Group gods allow it.
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[Robert Blunt]

Bill, I would also love to know. I recently gave up on mine and opted for
Paul cantis because of the squeal. I just couldnt figure out how to dial
them in but I am also a pretty inept mechanic.
Best,
Rob Blunt

On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 7:35 PM Jim Kramka  wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> Congrats on dialing in the Rene Herse cantilevers. I have a pair on a Soma
> Grand Randonneur that squeals. I'd love to know what your protocol was for
> getting rid of the squeal. I have some ideas but haven't reserved the time
> to try them out. I'm pretty certain that front-to-back toe-in isn't the
> issue but maybe it's the top-to-bottom angle at which the pad presses
> against the rim.
>
> Enjoy the ride!
>
> Jim in Tennessee
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 1:31 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> A few weeks late, I've managed to get out on a couple "shake down" rides
>> on the RoadeoRosa.  I normally don't need "shake down" rides because my
>> process of pulling builds together has gotten pretty dialed.  This one was
>> a lot more challenging because of the brakes set up.  I had never used Rene
>> Herse Cantilevers and I was experimenting with fancy wheels that are
>> purported to yield superior braking performance.  The shake down rides were
>> aimed at hideous brake squeal.  These Rene Herse brakes are super powerful
>> and super light, but their design is super simple which means they are not
>> "adjustable" in the traditional sense.  You can do things but it's a
>> process where you want to go very slowly in very small steps, and avoid
>> having to un-do anything.  The stakes are high.  Anyway, I plodded through
>> with successful results and came out the other side, learning a few things
>> on the way.  At least for now, that fancy wheel set with the special
>> braking surface is set aside to try on a caliper brake bike.
>>
>> I think next weekend, the 16th or 17th, I'll do Mount Diablo Summit #3
>> for the year, and there's no reason not to do it on the RoadeoRosa.  This
>> weekend I'm doing a 300k on a different bike.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 4:09:57 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> They are the 700c smooth ones intended for 30-34mm tires.  The fender
>>> lines are indeed pretty good.  Not totally perfect but close.
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 2:13:04 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak,
>>> Woodstown NJ wrote:
>>>
 Bill

 What width RH fenders are you using???  They look to be the Smooth
 style.

 The front and rear fender lines are excellent

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 11:27:37 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Here she is.  RoadeoRosa is complete
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53540567348/in/album-72177720313109003/
>
> Frame set: Nobilette built Rivendell Roadeo.  Cantilever posts.
> Legolas fork crown.  Cane Creek 40 headset
>
> Wheelset:  HED Ardennes RA Black.  Stampede Pass Extralight tires.
> TPU tubes.  12-27 Dura Ace 10sp cassette.  Tune skewers
>
> Drivetrain:  Rene Herse Crankset 46/30.  White Industries Ti 108mm
> bottom bracket.  Look Keo Carbon Ceramic Pedals.  Dura Ace 7900 F Der, R
> Der, Down tube shifters.  KMC chain
>
> Components:  Rene Herse cantilevers. Jagwire Elite cables and
> housing.  Soba Noodle bars.  Nobilette stem.  Campagnolo Athena EPS brake
> levers (electronics removed).  Dura Ace 7900 seat post.  Fizik Arione 00
> saddle
>
> Accessories:  Rene Herse Fenders.  Arundel carbon H2O cages.  Rene
> Herse pump.  Spurcycle Bell.  Rene Herse UD-2 front rack
>
> total weight 20.2lbs.  9.16kg
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Experience with North Street Bags backpack panniers?

[Robert Blunt]

Thanks everyone for the input. The 32 liter size and good reviews has
convinced me to purchase the North St. Bags Woodward. Disciplining myself
to take only necessities is going to be the biggest challenge I think. I am
absolutely stoked to see Dutch cycling infrastructure. I am getting picked
up from the Amsterdam airport and heading straight to the bike shop, pick
up the touring bike I am renting, and get the first 40k out of the way so
the backpack pannier makes sense for this sort of scenario. Thanks again.
Best,
Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 2:37 PM Shawn Granton <
urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all-
>
> I've used North St Bags for several years, both their more basic panniers
> and also a convertible backpack/pannier of theirs, an older model I
> believe. I used a set of regular North St panniers and the convertible with
> its non-converting mate (I had them made custom) on several tours in the
> earlier teens, including a four-month odyssey across the continent. North
> St. bags are well made and Curtis stands behind them, repairing them if
> needed.
>
> I feel that their convertible bag was the best of the type: works great as
> a pannier and good (though not great) as a backpack. I like how the pannier
> hooks were hidden in "backpack" mode, no worries about them digging into
> your back or having some "extra" thing you have to either add or remove to
> make it work as a backpack. I say it works "good" as a backpack because the
> pannier stiffener means the bag won't contour to your back, so it's good
> for more limited use--I definitely felt the "stiff board" for prolonged
> periods of use. Also, North St. uses the simple "hook and bungee" pannier
> mounting system--simple and easy to repair, but not as secure as Ortlieb
> locking style mounts.
>
> I don't have my convertible bag anymore as my needs shifted. But I don't
> regret having one.
>
> Best,
> Shawn in The Portland
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[RBW] Experience with North Street Bags backpack panniers?

[Robert Blunt]

Greetings everyone,
I am going to cycle the Zuiderzee bicycle route in the Netherlands in April
(400km) and am trying to figure out the best way to go straight from the
airport to the bike rental place without dragging a suitcase and all the
hassle entailed with that. I am definitely packing in a minimalist fashion
and am interested in the various offerings of backpack panniers. It will be
a three week trip and the 32 liter North St. Bags Woodward backpack pannier
seems like one of the better options out there for having a carry-on that
can transition straight from the airport to a bicycle rear rack. Does
anyone have any experience with this bag or similar products? Thanks in
advance.
Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

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Re: [RBW] Rapid rise derailleur rec

[Robert Blunt]

Thank you to everyone for your sound advice. I have ordered a few NOS
derailleurs to give them a try.
Best,
Rob

On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 1:16 AM John Dewey  wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification, Robert.
>
> It's nice to have someone with the *actually* f*actual* cred chime in.
> And also delighted to know that I'm not wasting all that effort as I put
> the horse up at the end of the day.
>
> Jock
>
> On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 7:19 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> I'm a metallurgist and licensed PE - relaxing RD spring absolutely
>> extends spring life.
>>
>> OP's question - Microshift R10 (made by Sun XCD)
>>
>> https://www.charlottecycles.com/product/microshift-r10-rear-derailleur-377496-1.htm
>>
>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 11:08:38 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, another little 'pro' tip 
>>>
>>> When you put your bike up, release tension on RD by shifting to the end
>>> so that spring is relaxed. For sure, I have no empirical evidence this
>>> extends spring life / strength, but it can't hurt, right?
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 8:56 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Robert, I've been shifting with XT M760 RR on JD bikes for many years.
>>>> No derailleur envy or interest in experimenting with other systems. I
>>>> collected them and so very happy I did. They were plentiful and reasonably
>>>> priced...until they weren't.
>>>>
>>>> Grant is now building RR rear mechs, too, as I bet y'all know. It's
>>>> beneficial to have the power going up the cassette when you need the extra
>>>> juice.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, YMMV...but I'm not so good at shifting back & forth, i.e. moving
>>>> from RR / normal / RR / normal. I find it difficult to switch habits.
>>>>
>>>> Jock
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:05 AM Robert Blunt  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>> I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation on which Shimano
>>>>> 9 speed rapid rise derailleur you have had the best experience with and
>>>>> which has sufficient amounts of silver on it to look ok.
>>>>> Robert Blunt
>>>>> Pennington NJ
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[RBW] Rapid rise derailleur rec

[Robert Blunt]

Hello everyone,
I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation on which Shimano 9
speed rapid rise derailleur you have had the best experience with and which
has sufficient amounts of silver on it to look ok.
Robert Blunt
Pennington NJ

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[RBW] WTB Mark's hub area rack with stabilizer hoop

[Robert Blunt]

Hello everyone,
I am wondering if anyone has a Nitto Mark's hub area rack with the
stabilizer hoop(MF2)  laying around. I am looking for one for my Saluki
build and Riv doesn't appear to have any at the moment.
Thanks,
Robert Blunt
Pennington NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

[Robert Blunt]

I am in Pennington NJ and prefer trails. The Delaware has trails on both
the PA side and the NJ side that are a nice way to spend a whole day. I
usually leave from the Washington Crossing State Park parking lot in
Titusville, ride north to Lambertville, cross the bridge into New Hope and
then catch the trail again north of town. All the way to Frenchtown (back
on the NJ side) is about forty miles back to the parking lot, but there is
also a nice turn around point in Lumbreville where you can get something to
eat at the General Store there. There is a footbridge that crosses the
river there right next to the Black Bass Hotel to get over to the NJ side.
The NJ side has better trail conditions but the PA side is prettier with
better river views. So I often take the PA trail back as well until New
Hope, back over to Lambertville, and south to Titusville. I am on
sabbatical this semester so I will have time to ride on Tuesdays and
Thursdays once I get my new Saluki up and running.

Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 5:05 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
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> Sounds fun!
> The Putnam trail North of Van Cortland is pretty, and ridiculously safe
> with decent enough parking for those carventuring in.
> But I f it’s excitement and real city feels everyone’s craving, maybe a
> “every bridge (with bike access) from the Henry Hudson down to the
> Brooklyn” ride? That’s a fun zipper to zip.
> -Kai
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:
>
>> Seeing the LA Riv Ride post got me thinking! Anyone in the NYC area
>> interested in a weekend ride this month? It's chilly, but we can handle it!
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: QuickBeam 58 cm

[Robert Gardner]

I agree with this sentiment. My 58cm QB is my “core” bike. Hills, long rides, errands — it does most of what I want from a bike and does it very well. Keeping this one is a good idea…Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 27, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Benjamin L. Kelley  wrote:Honestly, if I was somehow forced to winnow down to one bike, it would be my qb hands down no 2nd thoughts.It's a pretty great do about everything except race or full on mtb frame.Jason, glad you decided to keep it. It's also a great build.--ben in Kansas CityOn Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 7:28 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:APPROVE people keeping their bikes and using them.  BL in ECOn Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:52:50 PM UTC-7 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:And as it is Friday and I took an awesome joyride around the new area, I am calling it quits on calling it quits for this bike.  I can say it is now sold, as you all sold me on keeping it.  My plan is to keep riding it more now that I'm more confident with the climbs in the immediate area and if/when I put on the pass n stow rack and start using it for camping, I'm hoping to either: change the front chainring to 40t vs 48 and/or find a 16/19 DOS for the rear.  That should give me all that I need for the terrain.  For some reason the climbing isn't as bad as I initially assumed on the 48-18 and I'll just use the bombora when I'm pulling the baby.Im super surprised this didn't sell, glad now that I've made my mind, but a head scratcher for sure.Glad to get to know you all more, it's always a good learning opportunity.Cheers,Jason a proud old owner of a new old QuickbeamOn Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 7:03:51 PM UTC-5 Jason Zakaras wrote:Indeed, super clean, it was a gem when I picked it up from you Dylan!  I just took a small rip on it and it just glides.  While I think the Rene Herse crank looks brilliant, the 48t is just too stout to have much fun for me now.  I'm kicking myself for getting rid of the 40/32 crank and the 17/19 dos... doh!If it doesn't sell I think I'm going to change out the chainring to 36t and maybe put a 17/19 dos on it and see if I can have a smile again.  I can put my pull trailer adapter on the bombora and pull the lil one with that too.  hm apostasy!On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 6:08:50 PM UTC-5 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:For what it's worth - this is my old frame and it's SUPER clean. Jason did a great job in updating it since I sold it to him. On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 2:42:48 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:Thanks, Jason. I looked them up on the Wolf Tooth site and as far as I can tell they are made only for mountain bike bars; are yours a road bike bar model, or did you just force them on to the bigger bar?About that Quickbeam: I know from experience that you can list and relist a very nice bike and come away with far less than than expected; then a month later someone will post a similar bike and get a much higher price. This happened when I sold a very nice Sam Hillborne some years ago. FWIW.On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 3:36 PM Jason Zakaras  wrote:Patrick, they are wolf tooth's silicone grips, I believe the Karv maybe fatpaw.  I recently switched all my mtbs over to them and they are lovely.  Its a nice touch when you're feeling fatigued and can drop down into a cozy bed for yer hands.  I highly recommend them.



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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

[Robert Blunt]

Hello Leah,
Not too far off the path on your way south is Argyle Street aka Little
Vietnam. Tank Noodle is a fantastic place to get authentic Vietnamese food.
Are you going all the way south to Promontory Point in Hyde Park? If so,
there are a number of eateries on 53rd Street that are not too far from the
Lake Front Path.
Best,
Rob Blunt
Pennington, NJ

On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 10:04 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done it
> but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!
>
> Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be expecting
> us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 26th, visit the
> shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch at the Navy
> Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and ride for maybe
> a total of 30-40 miles.
>
> Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if you
> like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv Ride.
>
> Please let us know if you plan to attend!
>
> Leah Peterson and Marc Irwin
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[RBW] WTB: 51cm Sam or Joe: Hi Ho Silver is ideal!

[Robert]

Let me know! Also I am selling a 52cm Crust Romanceur if you are interested 
in purchase or trade! 

Thanks,
R.J. 

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Re: [RBW] Hozan Bottom Bracket Tapping Tool

[robert morrow]

Hey John, I have used the Park BB facing and tapping tool numerous times as a 
mechanic in High School and college a million years ago as well as recently. It 
is a great tool. Follow the directions and you will get square faces and clean 
threads every time. Unfortunately, it is crazy expensive, I think like $600. or 
so. I have owned 6 Riv bikes and, while I love both their esthetic and the 
ride, clean threads are not Riv's strong suit at all...a small, out of 
character and annoying lack of attention to detail, especially at their price 
point. I have used it in your situation as well. I had gotten an old Bob 
Jackson frame which had BB threads crossthreaded. Park tool worked great. Good 
tools matter and good tools are expensive. For a one-time issue, I would seek 
out a good LBS (talking like old time pro shop, NOT Bike Doctor...Blenky in 
Philly comes to mind) for this task.
All that said, while most of my tools are Park because they're old, I have some 
Pedro and Hozan pieces that work fine. But you can't beat Park tool for a tool 
requiring the kind of precision you want for this task. FWIW

Rob

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of JohnS 
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 1:25 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Hozan Bottom Bracket Tapping Tool

Rich, thank you for the offer, but I'm in eastern PA, so a road trip to 
mid-Iowa isn't in the cards.

Garth, thank you for the u2-video, that was very informative. I've got some 
extra BB cups that I can sacrifice to become tools, so I'll give that a try 
with a lot of caution.

Eric, I'll probably go with the Hozan tools if the home made version doesn't 
work out.

John
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:05:30 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
No experience with the taps, but in my experience I would pick a Hozan tool 
over a Park. Park tools just seem so-so to me.

On Thursday, March 23, 2023, JohnS  wrote:
Anyone have experience with the Hozan BB tapping tool? My '82 Specialized 
Sequoia drive side treads have been cross threaded and need to be tapped. Park 
tool is too expensive for me.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354072136754?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110013%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIMRXI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D247483%26meid%3D265aab9e5c174a48a713dd81a11fcfd5%26pid%3D101110%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D40417089%26itm%3D354072136754%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DPersonalizedV1_7%26brand%3DHOZAN&_trksid=p2047675.c101110.m2109=cksum%3A354072136754265aab9e5c174a48a713dd81a11fcfd5%7Cenc%3AAQAH8KvVpLM%252FL%252FYbyLgq7kTmGAaB383Ythl3%252BULNz4mWdQZjQUGEBVScEzldt9pDIEwjVC9sgwCeV0gMCq3ICdfjOxVov5C3psDxws5xIkFsJd%252Bofy%252FVssNxE9YaNOke2Niw2FTLCIMN3jpraIuhLLGVWQakcU7%252FnAeSW4OR0OgcLdP0nb94Y17R90GxjWo1PpW2LR2XFF5A4NVsqQlH2ZBBBTbJp2KMYAroLUIWVLPKGDkNuJgnWaX9dIe4yRn56VtU1hM99PVpuuDhd4m%252BuiA1R9j68SiVyItHNLsJfVSMlHG5JzoQ1Tddgih52SA1NrDosw%253D%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675=5019983455

Thanks,
JohnS


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Re: [RBW] FS: Parts bin cleanout: Selle Anatomica, cassettes, tires, stems, shifters, etc.

[Robert Warner]

Hi Andrew. I’m interested in the crank set & BB. Please contact me off list
Thanks!  Bob

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 9, 2023, at 7:28 PM, Andrew Turner  wrote:

Time to clean it out some. Below's a list of some stuff for sale. All prices 
include the cost of shipping. You can see pics here. 



  *   9-speed XT cassette 11-34, unused: $65
  *   9 speed cassette(s) unused 11-30 & 11-32: $40 each
  *   Selle Anatomica saddle X2 used: $100
  *   80mm 31.8 threadless stem(s) 17° & 7°: $30 each
  *   Dura-Ace 9-speed downtube shifters unused: $100
  *   Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass extralight tanwall tires (pair), unknown 
mileage but never set up tubeless with all the tread still visible so lots of 
life left: $100
  *   Ritchey 110bcd crankset w/ smooth Octalink BB 50/34 175 crank length: $60

That's it for now
- Andrew

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wheels! 700C and 26"

[Robert Dowtin]

Crust 26ers are sold!

On Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 07:56 Robert Dowtin  wrote:

> 8,9,10
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 07:44 lconley  wrote:
>
>> How many speeds is the Phil Wood cassette?
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 11:41:50 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>>
>>> Hey there everyone! I've got a couple of wheelsets for sale. Some super
>>> cool stuff that really needs to be rolled around rather than sitting in my
>>> garage.
>>> Crust Shimano 26" Rear 130mm and SP Dynamo hub front 100mm with Maxxis
>>> dth 2.3s tires
>>> $400 plus shipping bike flights lower 48...etc...
>>>
>>> Phil Wood Velocity rims 36h 700c 100/135mm with Panaracer Pasela Tires
>>> super strong, super quick, beautiful wheels $600 plus shipping bike flights
>>> lower 48...etc...
>>> Below is a link to pictures
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/868VJQABy2ecTtVw7
>>> Thanks everyone! Have a great rest of your week!
>>>
>>> ~Rob in NW AR
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wheels! 700C and 26"

[Robert Dowtin]

8,9,10

On Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 07:44 lconley  wrote:

> How many speeds is the Phil Wood cassette?
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 11:41:50 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>
>> Hey there everyone! I've got a couple of wheelsets for sale. Some super
>> cool stuff that really needs to be rolled around rather than sitting in my
>> garage.
>> Crust Shimano 26" Rear 130mm and SP Dynamo hub front 100mm with Maxxis
>> dth 2.3s tires
>> $400 plus shipping bike flights lower 48...etc...
>>
>> Phil Wood Velocity rims 36h 700c 100/135mm with Panaracer Pasela Tires
>> super strong, super quick, beautiful wheels $600 plus shipping bike flights
>> lower 48...etc...
>> Below is a link to pictures
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/868VJQABy2ecTtVw7
>> Thanks everyone! Have a great rest of your week!
>>
>> ~Rob in NW AR
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[RBW] FS: Wheels! 700C and 26"

[Robert Dowtin]

Hey there everyone! I've got a couple of wheelsets for sale. Some super 
cool stuff that really needs to be rolled around rather than sitting in my 
garage.
Crust Shimano 26" Rear 130mm and SP Dynamo hub front 100mm with Maxxis dth 
2.3s tires
$400 plus shipping bike flights lower 48...etc...

Phil Wood Velocity rims 36h 700c 100/135mm with Panaracer Pasela Tires 
super strong, super quick, beautiful wheels $600 plus shipping bike flights 
lower 48...etc...
Below is a link to pictures
https://photos.app.goo.gl/868VJQABy2ecTtVw7
Thanks everyone! Have a great rest of your week!

~Rob in NW AR

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[RBW] Re: Garage Sale: Random bike stuff/clothing F/S

[Robert Gardner]

Update:

Shirt:
- Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe jersey (gorgeous) -
125 shipped (never warn)

Random:
- Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)

Wheels/Tires:
- Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
- 100 shipped
- Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
- WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 8:35 AM Robert Gardner
 wrote:
>
> Updating the list!
>
> Clothes for Sale:
> - Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe - 125 shipped (never warn)
>
> Random:
> - Swift Paloma Bag with the hardware - 45$ shipped (it's a little funky tbh)
> - Road Runner Wedge Half Frame Bag -- 50$ shipped
> - Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)
>
> Wheels/Tires:
> - Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
> - 100 shipped
> - Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
> - WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 7:06 PM Robert Gardner
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hello --
> >
> > Lots of cleaning going on and want to get rid of a ton of bike stuff
> > as move apartments. Lots of goodies here and if you want closer up
> > photos or more, just let me know. Happy to do so. Added some pictures
> > of most of the goods.
> >
> > Just lmk -- also local pickup in DC is possible! **Sorry about the 
> > cross-post***
> >
> > Happy riding!
> >
> > - RGinDC
> >
> > Clothes for Sale:
> > - Large MUSA Blue Pants -- 50 shipped
> > - Large MUSA Khaki Pants -- 65 shipped (never worn)
> > - Large Riv Sweatshirt - 30 shipped (been used a few times)
> > - XL Campandgoslow -- 100 shipped (never warn)
> > - Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe - 125 shipped (never warn)
> >
> > Random:
> > - Swift Paloma Bag with the hardware - 45$ shipped (it's a little funky tbh)
> > - Road Runner Wedge Half Frame Bag -- 50$ shipped
> > - Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)
> >
> > Wheels/Tires:
> > - Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
> > - 100 shipped
> > - Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
> > - WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)
> > .

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[RBW] Re: Garage Sale: Random bike stuff/clothing F/S

[Robert Gardner]

Updating the list!

Clothes for Sale:
- Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe - 125 shipped (never warn)

Random:
- Swift Paloma Bag with the hardware - 45$ shipped (it's a little funky tbh)
- Road Runner Wedge Half Frame Bag -- 50$ shipped
- Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)

Wheels/Tires:
- Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
- 100 shipped
- Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
- WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)

On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 7:06 PM Robert Gardner
 wrote:
>
> Hello --
>
> Lots of cleaning going on and want to get rid of a ton of bike stuff
> as move apartments. Lots of goodies here and if you want closer up
> photos or more, just let me know. Happy to do so. Added some pictures
> of most of the goods.
>
> Just lmk -- also local pickup in DC is possible! **Sorry about the 
> cross-post***
>
> Happy riding!
>
> - RGinDC
>
> Clothes for Sale:
> - Large MUSA Blue Pants -- 50 shipped
> - Large MUSA Khaki Pants -- 65 shipped (never worn)
> - Large Riv Sweatshirt - 30 shipped (been used a few times)
> - XL Campandgoslow -- 100 shipped (never warn)
> - Simone Cafe du Cycliste XXL Blue/White stripe - 125 shipped (never warn)
>
> Random:
> - Swift Paloma Bag with the hardware - 45$ shipped (it's a little funky tbh)
> - Road Runner Wedge Half Frame Bag -- 50$ shipped
> - Riv Shalacking kit -- 25 shipped (never used)
>
> Wheels/Tires:
> - Velocity A23 wheel w/ continental gatorskin/Shimano 105 hub release
> - 100 shipped
> - Compass Chinook Pass (standard) -- 50 shipped for both (medium wear)
> - WTB Cross Boss 700x35 -- 40 shipped for both (light wear)
> .

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Re: [RBW] Doldrums

[Robert Tilley]

I recently signed up with Wandrer to force me to take some different
routes. I've worked from home for the last 4 years or so and have no free
time so all of my rides tend to be errands and also tend to be along the
same routes.

It's been fun so far but I have come to really hate the inventor of the
cul-de-sac. My area is full of them and it's a real pain to "bag" them all.
One short road section here has eight cul-de-sacs sprouting off of it. I've
gotten a lot of odd looks in the week that I've been trying to clear them
all. I keep thinking I'm gonna get beat up since I likely look like some
kind of weirdo riding into and out of all of these small neighborhoods.
I've started using my Brompton so I look more like a harmless creep than a
creepy creep. I'm waiting for someone to post about "some weird old guy
riding through our neighborhoods" on the Nextdoor app.

I make double sure that my watch is recording my ride before I take off. I
can't even imagine going through some of those routes only to find I didn't
hit "record". My wailing would be heard for miles and would be the source
of much consternation I am certain.

I have my area about clear so I'm now heading out into the unknown...

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 4:22 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Eric described and showed some of the fun one can derive from
> wandrer.earth.
>
> I concur wholeheartedly that wandrer.earth can add another layer of fun to
> cycling for some people.  I tend towards the compulsive, and so when I can
> planfully do something, I am generally more likely to follow through with
> that something, or at least stick with that pursuit for a longer period.
> In short, wandrer.earth got me through the pandemic, because it added a
> layer of fun for rides that were all solo, and were mostly not far from my
> front door.  I got pretty hardcore with it, and am very proud of my
> footprint in the SF Bay Area (Contra Costa, Alameda and Marin Counties
> mostly).  My job has me travel to Michigan almost monthly, and my presence
> in Wayne County is preserved on wandrer, and that helped shape many of the
> hours that I would otherwise have spent watching TV in a hotel room.  I
> just returned from a three week vacation in Europe and one of my digital
> souvenirs is a solid footprint in Stockholm, Sweden, Copenhagen Denmark,
> and Amsterdam.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 3:14:33 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Near Dublin, OH, a suburb of Columbus. According to wandrer.earth, Dublin
>> has just over 400 miles of bike paths and accessible roads (it doesn't
>> count interstates, etc). It took me from November through July to hit my
>> target for riding these roads (blue is ridden, red is unridden):
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> It's a fun app. I found I was riding longer distances to get out to new
>> roads, so I ended up in better than usual shape for mid summer.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 4:56 PM Jon Dukeman  wrote:
>>
>>> Where in Ohio?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 2:44 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Come ride in the Midwest or South, and then you’ll appreciate your “hot
>>>> and sticky” Bellingham summers :)
>>>>
>>>> I like to have made up goals for my riding. For a while, it was reading
>>>> and returning books to my local system of little free libraries. This year,
>>>> I used wanderer.earth to target riding all of my local town roads and
>>>> paths. That was a good experience.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>> Now in Ohio, formerly of Seattle
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2022, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Over the years my cycling has increasingly tended toward
>>>>> commuting/utility. Bike-centered vacations/tours remain on the menu, and
>>>>> are still very enjoyable to me, but the day-in, day-out feels like a 
>>>>> chore.
>>>>> Part of this is seasonal — I have an easier time dealing with cool, wet
>>>>> conditions than hot, sticky weather. So maybe this problem will solve
>>>>> itself with the autumn rains imminent. But I’m wondering whether others
>>>>> ever get a case of cycling burnout, and maybe have some tips to work
>>>>> through it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jay Lonner
>>>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Ride in SW Michigan

[Robert Blunt]

Hello all,
I just road the Kal-Haven trail on a non-Riv bike which has 700c X 38s and
is was just fine. The surface is very nice all the way through to South
Haven.
Best,
Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 2:07 PM Tom Palmer  wrote:

> Leah and Marc,
> Thanks for organizing this, I am looking forward to it.
> What size tires are needed for this trail? My skinnies are 38mm and normal
> dirt road in sandy West Michigan are 48mm.
> Make it a great day,
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:03:36 AM UTC-4 Marc Irwin wrote:
>
>> Don't forget we are in the eastern time zone.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:54:51 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Alright, will have to put it on the calendar!
>>>
>>> - Max "drive 3-4 hours to bike 2-3 hours - that's a pretty decent
>>> espresso-like ratio" in A2
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:07:59 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> Rivendell Ride on the KalHaven Trail!
>>>>
>>>> Brought to you by: the Lone Wolf and the Platypus Rider, in Kalamazoo,
>>>> Michigan.
>>>>
>>>> Date: July 16. If we get stormed/rained out, we will reschedule for
>>>> July 30.
>>>>
>>>> Time: 10 am
>>>>
>>>> Where: KalHaven Trailhead 4143 10th St. N Kalamazoo, MI 49009
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/4143+10th+St.+N+Kalamazoo,+MI+49009?entry=gmail=g>
>>>>
>>>> Distance: 35 mi, total.
>>>>
>>>> The KalHaven Trail is a historic rail trail that travels through a
>>>> wooded area all the way to Lake Michigan. We will be riding from Kalamazoo
>>>> to the halfway point, which is Bloomingdale. There we will refresh
>>>> ourselves in the town’s quaint little park; you can bring refreshments or
>>>> buy them at the little country store across from the park. From there we
>>>> will head back to Kalamazoo and rendezvous at Latitude 42, a local brewery
>>>> that has a patio so we can eye the bikes and enjoy a meal.
>>>>
>>>> The address for Latitude 42 is:
>>>> 6101 W Main St
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/6101+W+Main+St%C2%A0+Kalamazoo,+MI+49009?entry=gmail=g>
>>>> Kalamazoo, MI 49009
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/6101+W+Main+St%C2%A0+Kalamazoo,+MI+49009?entry=gmail=g>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope to see you there! Message here with questions.
>>>> Leah and Marc
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 12:28 PM, Mike K.  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That would be fun! I'm in the Chicago area, but depending on the date
>>>> and time, I could be in for driving out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Mike
>>>> On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I might be up for that!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 19, 2022, at 7:36 PM, Conway Bennett 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm interested in a post Labor Day ride.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, June 18, 2022 at 8:13:28 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Friends, Marc Irwin and I live in the Kalamazoo, MI area and are
>>>>>> hoping to round up some fellow Rivendell riders in the area and organize 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> ride on the Kal Haven Trail. Date and time TBD. Will be a fun time with
>>>>>> like-minded riders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Respond if you are interested!
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 61cm Roadini FS in DC

[Robert Gardner]

Thanks Thomas --

I actually just dropped the price  to 2500 which I think is a pretty dang
good deal. Bike rides amazingly well.

- rg

On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 2:23 PM Thomas McCause  wrote:

> that is lovely, best of luck with the sale!
>
>
> On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 1:44:42 PM UTC-6 robert.har...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy folks --
>>
>> The time has come to part with my Roadini bc...well I never ride it and
>> though I've built it up tastefully (IMO at least) and it rides like an
>> absolute dream, I am thinning the herd a bit. I'm in DC, but can ship if
>> needed -- also happy to give you fine people a high resolution image or
>> two.
>>
>> Link below for details and price and such. Obviously negotiable for
>> friends!
>>
>>
>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/d/washington-rivendell-roadini/7489501534.html
>>
>> Thanks everyone --
>>
>> Robert
>>
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam and Road Custom For Trade (or Sale)

[Robert Dowtin]

Road is officially spoken for and the Quickbeam is pending a trade.

Cheers
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 4:25:58 PM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> Hey there everyone! I have spoken to a few people about some possible 
> interest but nothing really substantial. The original owner of the Road 
> Custom reached out to me, which was super cool. Turns out it was built 
> custom but was simply a size 58 Road Standard that was a normal Riv model 
> at that time. I have been able to squeeze 35mm Schwalbe g one all road in 
> there, btw.
> I think I am ready to just sell the frames by themselves, but would still 
> prefer to move them whole of course. Also, I would really prefer limiting 
> shipping and am willing to meet within reasonable distance, I am in the 
> Southern Midwest. Everything is kinda far from everything, I get that. So, 
> with that. If there is still interest in the frames, I think Bill Lindsay 
> was interested and I haven't gotten back to him yet so I will do that asap, 
> then everyone after him? Thanks!
>
> Cheers
>
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:47:03 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> Well, after about a 16 month, torrid, love affair and a good amount of 
>> hemming and hawing, I think I need to part with this Riv Custom Road bike 
>> and my Quickbeam. They are both available for trade.
>>
>> Photos of Bikes Here <https://photos.app.goo.gl/GnnfHWoBaUYoPpyeA>
>>
>> *Components and specifics of Road:*
>> Frame built by Joe Stark Paint by Joe Bell Feb 1999 
>> VO Drillium 48/36 172.5 Crank
>> SunTour Cyclone shiny Deraileur (Saw somewhere it's still the lightest 
>> modern deraileur or some such nonsense?)
>> 11/32 9sp Cassette
>> Silver2 shifters
>> Matching Lugged Setback Seat Post and Stem
>> Black All Weather Brooks Saddle
>> Paul Racer brakes in black with silver adapter
>> Tektro black hoods levers
>> Nitto Rando bars 46mm
>> 36h Phil Wood wheels 100mm Front 135mm Rear (Rear Frame Dropouts 132.5mm, 
>> btw)
>> Panaracer Pasella 32mm Tires
>>
>> *Components and specifics of QuickBeam:*
>> 2004 OG Green Panasonic Factory Brazed 
>> Riv Double Crank 39/32 178mm
>> 16t freewheel Yellow SS chain
>> Nitto stem
>> Lugged setback seatpost
>> Brooks well loved saddle, maybe I should swap it out for something else? 
>> We can talk.
>> Paul Canti Brakes, Drillium brown hoods
>> 32h Phil Wood hubs High Flange 100mm Front 120mm Track Hubs
>> Sun CR18 Rear Rim and A Velocity A23 Black front
>> Schwalbe g one all around 35mm rear tire, Specialized Trigger 38mm front
>> I cracked the front CR18 rim a few months ago and gashed the tire. My LBS 
>> gave me a deal on a Velocity A23 they had sitting in their rafters. So I 
>> built it back up and put on a tire I had laying around. They don't match, 
>> and to some that is sightly.
>>
>> I'm looking for, pretty sure at least, an *Appaloosa, Atlantis, Hunq, 
>> Platy, Cheviot, Clem L, Gus/Sus, in the 57-59mm range.* Let me know what 
>> you've got!? I'd also consider a Crust Evasion, Bombora...
>> I'm happy to assist in coordinating and splitting the cost of shipping. 
>>
>> I am interested in trading or a combo of trade and cash, (I guess I'm 
>> open to offers of purchase but think it sure would be neat to work out a 
>> deal with someone looking for some rad road oriented bikes?) I am looking 
>> for something fair and even as possible for all parties but could very well 
>> be open to a 2 for 1 swap for the right bike. What I am looking for I think 
>> is a swept back fatter tired geared Riv, I need less reach, more upright, 
>> geared for big climbs and dodging chunky dirt and rock. 
>>
>> The Quickbeam is the most comfortable bike I had ever been on, until 
>> recently, but alas the single (2) speed is just not enough for the Ozark 
>> hills around me. Realistically neither bike has tires wide enough to deal 
>> with the gravel roads around here.
>> This custom road (custom for someone else in 1999) is a rocket ship but 
>> it just stretches me out too much, I want to want to ride it, and I love 
>> it, but I really love to stare at it more than I love to be on it, if I'm 
>> really to be honest. 
>>
>> Above and below I have pasted links to the photo album with what I hope 
>> are ample photos of both bikes. I will happily take more photos as well as 
>> answer any questions, of course.  Everything will get a fresh bath before 
>> packing to ship, btw. Along with geometry for the QB, highlighted is the 
>> size 58 (57mm top tube). I have held up a tape measure best I can

[RBW] Re: Quickbeam and Road Custom For Trade (or Sale)

[Robert Dowtin]

Hey there everyone! I have spoken to a few people about some possible 
interest but nothing really substantial. The original owner of the Road 
Custom reached out to me, which was super cool. Turns out it was built 
custom but was simply a size 58 Road Standard that was a normal Riv model 
at that time. I have been able to squeeze 35mm Schwalbe g one all road in 
there, btw.
I think I am ready to just sell the frames by themselves, but would still 
prefer to move them whole of course. Also, I would really prefer limiting 
shipping and am willing to meet within reasonable distance, I am in the 
Southern Midwest. Everything is kinda far from everything, I get that. So, 
with that. If there is still interest in the frames, I think Bill Lindsay 
was interested and I haven't gotten back to him yet so I will do that asap, 
then everyone after him? Thanks!

Cheers

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:47:03 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> Well, after about a 16 month, torrid, love affair and a good amount of 
> hemming and hawing, I think I need to part with this Riv Custom Road bike 
> and my Quickbeam. They are both available for trade.
>
> Photos of Bikes Here <https://photos.app.goo.gl/GnnfHWoBaUYoPpyeA>
>
> *Components and specifics of Road:*
> Frame built by Joe Stark Paint by Joe Bell Feb 1999 
> VO Drillium 48/36 172.5 Crank
> SunTour Cyclone shiny Deraileur (Saw somewhere it's still the lightest 
> modern deraileur or some such nonsense?)
> 11/32 9sp Cassette
> Silver2 shifters
> Matching Lugged Setback Seat Post and Stem
> Black All Weather Brooks Saddle
> Paul Racer brakes in black with silver adapter
> Tektro black hoods levers
> Nitto Rando bars 46mm
> 36h Phil Wood wheels 100mm Front 135mm Rear (Rear Frame Dropouts 132.5mm, 
> btw)
> Panaracer Pasella 32mm Tires
>
> *Components and specifics of QuickBeam:*
> 2004 OG Green Panasonic Factory Brazed 
> Riv Double Crank 39/32 178mm
> 16t freewheel Yellow SS chain
> Nitto stem
> Lugged setback seatpost
> Brooks well loved saddle, maybe I should swap it out for something else? 
> We can talk.
> Paul Canti Brakes, Drillium brown hoods
> 32h Phil Wood hubs High Flange 100mm Front 120mm Track Hubs
> Sun CR18 Rear Rim and A Velocity A23 Black front
> Schwalbe g one all around 35mm rear tire, Specialized Trigger 38mm front
> I cracked the front CR18 rim a few months ago and gashed the tire. My LBS 
> gave me a deal on a Velocity A23 they had sitting in their rafters. So I 
> built it back up and put on a tire I had laying around. They don't match, 
> and to some that is sightly.
>
> I'm looking for, pretty sure at least, an *Appaloosa, Atlantis, Hunq, 
> Platy, Cheviot, Clem L, Gus/Sus, in the 57-59mm range.* Let me know what 
> you've got!? I'd also consider a Crust Evasion, Bombora...
> I'm happy to assist in coordinating and splitting the cost of shipping. 
>
> I am interested in trading or a combo of trade and cash, (I guess I'm open 
> to offers of purchase but think it sure would be neat to work out a deal 
> with someone looking for some rad road oriented bikes?) I am looking for 
> something fair and even as possible for all parties but could very well be 
> open to a 2 for 1 swap for the right bike. What I am looking for I think is 
> a swept back fatter tired geared Riv, I need less reach, more upright, 
> geared for big climbs and dodging chunky dirt and rock. 
>
> The Quickbeam is the most comfortable bike I had ever been on, until 
> recently, but alas the single (2) speed is just not enough for the Ozark 
> hills around me. Realistically neither bike has tires wide enough to deal 
> with the gravel roads around here.
> This custom road (custom for someone else in 1999) is a rocket ship but it 
> just stretches me out too much, I want to want to ride it, and I love it, 
> but I really love to stare at it more than I love to be on it, if I'm 
> really to be honest. 
>
> Above and below I have pasted links to the photo album with what I hope 
> are ample photos of both bikes. I will happily take more photos as well as 
> answer any questions, of course.  Everything will get a fresh bath before 
> packing to ship, btw. Along with geometry for the QB, highlighted is the 
> size 58 (57mm top tube). I have held up a tape measure best I can for 
> measurements of the Road bike, it is a pretty standard 58^2 nearly level, 
> if not completely level, top tube. I'm 6'1" 89pbh and the Road bike is a 
> little long for me, but I seem to be sensitive to long reach. 
>
> Photos of Bikes Here <https://photos.app.goo.gl/GnnfHWoBaUYoPpyeA> 
>
> I had discussed with some folks on this list about selling this bike a 
> month or so ago, I am not interested in breaking these bikes down and 
> parting them ou

[RBW] Quickbeam and Road Custom For Trade

[Robert Dowtin]

Hello everyone!

Well, after about a 16 month, torrid, love affair and a good amount of 
hemming and hawing, I think I need to part with this Riv Custom Road bike 
and my Quickbeam. They are both available for trade.

Photos of Bikes Here 

*Components and specifics of Road:*
Frame built by Joe Stark Paint by Joe Bell Feb 1999 
VO Drillium 48/36 172.5 Crank
SunTour Cyclone shiny Deraileur (Saw somewhere it's still the lightest 
modern deraileur or some such nonsense?)
11/32 9sp Cassette
Silver2 shifters
Matching Lugged Setback Seat Post and Stem
Black All Weather Brooks Saddle
Paul Racer brakes in black with silver adapter
Tektro black hoods levers
Nitto Rando bars 46mm
36h Phil Wood wheels 100mm Front 135mm Rear (Rear Frame Dropouts 132.5mm, 
btw)
Panaracer Pasella 32mm Tires

*Components and specifics of QuickBeam:*
2004 OG Green Panasonic Factory Brazed 
Riv Double Crank 39/32 178mm
16t freewheel Yellow SS chain
Nitto stem
Lugged setback seatpost
Brooks well loved saddle, maybe I should swap it out for something else? We 
can talk.
Paul Canti Brakes, Drillium brown hoods
32h Phil Wood hubs High Flange 100mm Front 120mm Track Hubs
Sun CR18 Rear Rim and A Velocity A23 Black front
Schwalbe g one all around 35mm rear tire, Specialized Trigger 38mm front
I cracked the front CR18 rim a few months ago and gashed the tire. My LBS 
gave me a deal on a Velocity A23 they had sitting in their rafters. So I 
built it back up and put on a tire I had laying around. They don't match, 
and to some that is sightly.

I'm looking for, pretty sure at least, an *Appaloosa, Atlantis, Hunq, 
Platy, Cheviot, Clem L, Gus/Sus, in the 57-59mm range.* Let me know what 
you've got!? I'd also consider a Crust Evasion, Bombora...
I'm happy to assist in coordinating and splitting the cost of shipping. 

I am interested in trading or a combo of trade and cash, (I guess I'm open 
to offers of purchase but think it sure would be neat to work out a deal 
with someone looking for some rad road oriented bikes?) I am looking for 
something fair and even as possible for all parties but could very well be 
open to a 2 for 1 swap for the right bike. What I am looking for I think is 
a swept back fatter tired geared Riv, I need less reach, more upright, 
geared for big climbs and dodging chunky dirt and rock. 

The Quickbeam is the most comfortable bike I had ever been on, until 
recently, but alas the single (2) speed is just not enough for the Ozark 
hills around me. Realistically neither bike has tires wide enough to deal 
with the gravel roads around here.
This custom road (custom for someone else in 1999) is a rocket ship but it 
just stretches me out too much, I want to want to ride it, and I love it, 
but I really love to stare at it more than I love to be on it, if I'm 
really to be honest. 

Above and below I have pasted links to the photo album with what I hope are 
ample photos of both bikes. I will happily take more photos as well as 
answer any questions, of course.  Everything will get a fresh bath before 
packing to ship, btw. Along with geometry for the QB, highlighted is the 
size 58 (57mm top tube). I have held up a tape measure best I can for 
measurements of the Road bike, it is a pretty standard 58^2 nearly level, 
if not completely level, top tube. I'm 6'1" 89pbh and the Road bike is a 
little long for me, but I seem to be sensitive to long reach. 

Photos of Bikes Here  

I had discussed with some folks on this list about selling this bike a 
month or so ago, I am not interested in breaking these bikes down and 
parting them out or just selling the frames, as of now. If I get no 
interest, then maybe I need to consider that route and buy the last 59 
Susie frame on the site?

It's a lot of info here but I am sure I have missed something so, please 
feel free to contact me with any questions or offers. 

Thanks and Cheers!
Rob in NW Ar

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[RBW] 61cm Roadini FS in DC

[Robert Gardner]

Howdy folks --

The time has come to part with my Roadini bc...well I never ride it and
though I've built it up tastefully (IMO at least) and it rides like an
absolute dream, I am thinning the herd a bit. I'm in DC, but can ship if
needed -- also happy to give you fine people a high resolution image or
two.

Link below for details and price and such. Obviously negotiable for friends!

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/d/washington-rivendell-roadini/7489501534.html

Thanks everyone --

Robert

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags and parts and wheels and maybe a 57 Quickbeam

[Robert Dowtin]

Update:
I believe I've touched base with all who wanted something. This is the 
update as to what's left.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/868VJQABy2ecTtVw7



Tires Size 42 x 700c 2 Specialized Triggers (worst tires ever in my 
opinion) 1 Terravail Cannonball (also not my favorite) lots of tread on 
both. You may have them if you pay for USPS flat rate box which I believe I 
can stuff these in for $15?

Scott Clippy MTB shoes size 48 $50 +shipping

OG unbranded Quickbeam wheelset (Front wheel pictured just after shoes, 
rear wheel pictured at bottom of the group) $200 +shipping obo

Shimano Dynamo hub tied to Alex Adventure rim 32h 700c $150 +shipping obo

Jones Bar $50 +shipping

Seats:
Selle Anatomica is whipped, totally stretched...$15?

Thompson Seatpost 27.1 $75 +shipping

Long black old stem $25 +shpping

White Industries 16/18 and 20/22 freewheel cogs
Both are awesome but quite scratched up $100 ea +shipping obo
On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 7:49:08 PM UTC-5 Eric Karnes wrote:

> Same. I've lately had trouble with DMs, so in case it didn't go through, 
> I'll take the Analog stem if it's still available. Thanks!
>
> On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 12:35:43 PM UTC-4 Sean Steinle wrote:
>
>> Robert, I tried messaging directly but haven't heard back, if the Nitto 
>> stem is available, let me know, thanks.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 9:05:14 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>>
>>> Update:
>>>
>>>
>>> Swift Rando bag, mount and rack for canti brakes (fit was ideal on my 
>>> Crust CantiBolt)
>>> $200 +shipping
>>>
>>> Sackville Happisack Green $175 +shipping (I swapped out the chloroplast 
>>> for harder plastic board lining)
>>>
>>> Sackville Bannasack **SOLD**
>>>
>>>
>>> Tires Size 42 x 700c 2 Specialized Triggers (worst tires ever in my 
>>> opinion) 1 Terravail Cannonball (also not my favorite) lots of tread on 
>>> both. You may have them if you pay for USPS flat rate box which I believe I 
>>> can stuff these in for $15?
>>>
>>> Scott Clippy MTB shoes size 48 $50 +shipping
>>>
>>> OG unbranded Quickbeam wheelset (Front wheel pictured just after shoes, 
>>> rear wheel pictured at bottom of the group) $200 +shipping obo
>>>
>>> Shimano Dynamo hub tied to Alex Adventure rim 32h 700c $150 +shipping obo
>>>
>>> Jones Bar $50 +shipping
>>>
>>> Surly Truckstop bar NOS $60 +shipping
>>>
>>> Seats:
>>> Selle Anatomica is whipped, totally stretched...$15?
>>> C17, $70  +shipping 
>>> Brooks Black Swift **Sold**
>>> HONEY B17 **SOLD**
>>>
>>> Thompson Seatpost 27.1 $75 +shipping
>>>
>>> Analog 31.8 x 30mm 90deg black stem NOS $125 +shipping
>>>
>>> other 2 stems lets say $25 ea +shipping
>>>
>>> White Industries 16/18 and 20/22 freewheel cogs
>>> Both are awesome but quite scratched up $100 ea +shipping obo
>>>
>>> Forgot to post initially that there is also a pair of Rene Herse 700x42 
>>> knobbies pictured that I will let go for $55 shipped flat rate.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 9:37:22 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Update:
>>>>
>>>> Swift Rando bag, mount and rack for canti brakes (fit was ideal on my 
>>>> Crust CantiBolt)
>>>> $200 +shipping
>>>>
>>>> Sackville Happisack Green $175 +shipping (I swapped out the chloroplast 
>>>> for harder plastic board lining)
>>>>
>>>> Sackville Bannasack **SOLD**
>>>>
>>>> Tires Size 42 x 700c 2 Specialized Triggers (worst tires ever in my 
>>>> opinion) 1 Terravail Cannonball (also not my favorite) lots of tread on 
>>>> both. You may have them if you pay for USPS flat rate box which I believe 
>>>> I 
>>>> can stuff these in for $15?
>>>>
>>>> Scott Clippy MTB shoes size 48 $50 +shipping
>>>>
>>>> OG unbranded Quickbeam wheelset (Front wheel pictured just after shoes, 
>>>> rear wheel pictured at bottom of the group) $200 +shipping obo
>>>>
>>>> Shimano Dynamo hub tied to Alex Adventure rim 32h 700c $150 +shipping 
>>>> obo
>>>>
>>>> Jones Bar $50 +shipping
>>>>
>>>> Surly Truckstop bar NOS $60 +shipping
>>>>
>>>> Seats:
>>>> Selle Anatomica is whipped, totally stretched...$15?
>>>> Brooks Black Swift, C17, $70 ea +shipping
>>>> HONEY B17 **SOLD**
&

[RBW] Re: FS: Bags and parts and wheels and maybe a 57 Quickbeam

[Robert Dowtin]

 Update:


Swift Rando bag, mount and rack for canti brakes (fit was ideal on my Crust 
CantiBolt)
$200 +shipping

Sackville Happisack Green $175 +shipping (I swapped out the chloroplast for 
harder plastic board lining)

Sackville Bannasack **SOLD**


Tires Size 42 x 700c 2 Specialized Triggers (worst tires ever in my 
opinion) 1 Terravail Cannonball (also not my favorite) lots of tread on 
both. You may have them if you pay for USPS flat rate box which I believe I 
can stuff these in for $15?

Scott Clippy MTB shoes size 48 $50 +shipping

OG unbranded Quickbeam wheelset (Front wheel pictured just after shoes, 
rear wheel pictured at bottom of the group) $200 +shipping obo

Shimano Dynamo hub tied to Alex Adventure rim 32h 700c $150 +shipping obo

Jones Bar $50 +shipping

Surly Truckstop bar NOS $60 +shipping

Seats:
Selle Anatomica is whipped, totally stretched...$15?
C17, $70  +shipping 
Brooks Black Swift **Sold**
HONEY B17 **SOLD**

Thompson Seatpost 27.1 $75 +shipping

Analog 31.8 x 30mm 90deg black stem NOS $125 +shipping

other 2 stems lets say $25 ea +shipping

White Industries 16/18 and 20/22 freewheel cogs
Both are awesome but quite scratched up $100 ea +shipping obo

Forgot to post initially that there is also a pair of Rene Herse 700x42 
knobbies pictured that I will let go for $55 shipped flat rate.

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 9:37:22 AM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> Update:
>
> Swift Rando bag, mount and rack for canti brakes (fit was ideal on my 
> Crust CantiBolt)
> $200 +shipping
>
> Sackville Happisack Green $175 +shipping (I swapped out the chloroplast 
> for harder plastic board lining)
>
> Sackville Bannasack **SOLD**
>
> Tires Size 42 x 700c 2 Specialized Triggers (worst tires ever in my 
> opinion) 1 Terravail Cannonball (also not my favorite) lots of tread on 
> both. You may have them if you pay for USPS flat rate box which I believe I 
> can stuff these in for $15?
>
> Scott Clippy MTB shoes size 48 $50 +shipping
>
> OG unbranded Quickbeam wheelset (Front wheel pictured just after shoes, 
> rear wheel pictured at bottom of the group) $200 +shipping obo
>
> Shimano Dynamo hub tied to Alex Adventure rim 32h 700c $150 +shipping obo
>
> Jones Bar $50 +shipping
>
> Surly Truckstop bar NOS $60 +shipping
>
> Seats:
> Selle Anatomica is whipped, totally stretched...$15?
> Brooks Black Swift, C17, $70 ea +shipping
> HONEY B17 **SOLD**
>
> Thompson Seatpost 27.1 $75 +shipping
>
> Analog 31.8 x 30mm 90deg black stem NOS $125 +shipping
>
> other 2 stems lets say $25 ea +shipping
>
> White Industries 16/18 and 20/22 freewheel cogs
> Both are awesome but quite scratched up $100 ea +shipping obo
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 4:15:56 PM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>
>> Hey there everyone. So, it's that time of the year again. Cleaning out 
>> things, need to make some space. Need to fund parts for other projects, 
>> etc... I'll try to list everything below in the order it appears in the 
>> google photo album linked directly below. Please email me at 
>> robert...@gmail.com off list to discuss your desired purchase. All items 
>> will ship clean, regardless of possible mud you might see in the pictures. 
>> All items have been used unless otherwise stated. All items +shipping in 
>> the lower 48. Happy to discuss shipping elsewhere, of course I'd prefer to 
>> meet and get coffee or go for a ride and let you pick up the parts however. 
>> As for the Quickbeam, it isn't pictured. I am not convinced I want to move 
>> it along but it does too much sitting right now for my tastes. I have a lot 
>> of climbing around me and just don't take it out enough. If you are dying 
>> for a 1st Gen Green Quickbeam with Phil Wood wheels, Paul Brakes, Silver 
>> Crank 39/32 x 16 is how it is set up right now, happy to send along 
>> pictures and chat. Again, I'm not convinced but for the right price or 
>> trade for another Riv, I'm sure I could be. Especially enticed by trades 
>> for other bikes, fyi...
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/868VJQABy2ecTtVw7
>>
>> Swift Rando bag, mount and rack for canti brakes (fit was ideal on my 
>> Crust CantiBolt)
>> $200 +shipping
>>
>> Sackville Happisack Green $175 +shipping (I swapped out the chloroplast 
>> for harder plastic board lining)
>>
>> Sackville Bannasack $100 +shipping
>>
>> Tires Size 42 x 700c 2 Specialized Triggers (worst tires ever in my 
>> opinion) 1 Terravail Cannonball (also not my favorite) lots of tread on 
>> both. You may have them if you pay for USPS flat rate box which I believe I 
>> can stuff these in for $15?
>>
>> Scott Clippy MTB shoes size 48 $50 +shipping
>>
>> OG unbranded Quickbe

[RBW] Re: FS: Bags and parts and wheels and maybe a 57 Quickbeam

[Robert Dowtin]

Update:

Swift Rando bag, mount and rack for canti brakes (fit was ideal on my Crust 
CantiBolt)
$200 +shipping

Sackville Happisack Green $175 +shipping (I swapped out the chloroplast for 
harder plastic board lining)

Sackville Bannasack **SOLD**

Tires Size 42 x 700c 2 Specialized Triggers (worst tires ever in my 
opinion) 1 Terravail Cannonball (also not my favorite) lots of tread on 
both. You may have them if you pay for USPS flat rate box which I believe I 
can stuff these in for $15?

Scott Clippy MTB shoes size 48 $50 +shipping

OG unbranded Quickbeam wheelset (Front wheel pictured just after shoes, 
rear wheel pictured at bottom of the group) $200 +shipping obo

Shimano Dynamo hub tied to Alex Adventure rim 32h 700c $150 +shipping obo

Jones Bar $50 +shipping

Surly Truckstop bar NOS $60 +shipping

Seats:
Selle Anatomica is whipped, totally stretched...$15?
Brooks Black Swift, C17, $70 ea +shipping
HONEY B17 **SOLD**

Thompson Seatpost 27.1 $75 +shipping

Analog 31.8 x 30mm 90deg black stem NOS $125 +shipping

other 2 stems lets say $25 ea +shipping

White Industries 16/18 and 20/22 freewheel cogs
Both are awesome but quite scratched up $100 ea +shipping obo

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 4:15:56 PM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> Hey there everyone. So, it's that time of the year again. Cleaning out 
> things, need to make some space. Need to fund parts for other projects, 
> etc... I'll try to list everything below in the order it appears in the 
> google photo album linked directly below. Please email me at 
> robert...@gmail.com off list to discuss your desired purchase. All items 
> will ship clean, regardless of possible mud you might see in the pictures. 
> All items have been used unless otherwise stated. All items +shipping in 
> the lower 48. Happy to discuss shipping elsewhere, of course I'd prefer to 
> meet and get coffee or go for a ride and let you pick up the parts however. 
> As for the Quickbeam, it isn't pictured. I am not convinced I want to move 
> it along but it does too much sitting right now for my tastes. I have a lot 
> of climbing around me and just don't take it out enough. If you are dying 
> for a 1st Gen Green Quickbeam with Phil Wood wheels, Paul Brakes, Silver 
> Crank 39/32 x 16 is how it is set up right now, happy to send along 
> pictures and chat. Again, I'm not convinced but for the right price or 
> trade for another Riv, I'm sure I could be. Especially enticed by trades 
> for other bikes, fyi...
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/868VJQABy2ecTtVw7
>
> Swift Rando bag, mount and rack for canti brakes (fit was ideal on my 
> Crust CantiBolt)
> $200 +shipping
>
> Sackville Happisack Green $175 +shipping (I swapped out the chloroplast 
> for harder plastic board lining)
>
> Sackville Bannasack $100 +shipping
>
> Tires Size 42 x 700c 2 Specialized Triggers (worst tires ever in my 
> opinion) 1 Terravail Cannonball (also not my favorite) lots of tread on 
> both. You may have them if you pay for USPS flat rate box which I believe I 
> can stuff these in for $15?
>
> Scott Clippy MTB shoes size 48 $50 +shipping
>
> OG unbranded Quickbeam wheelset (Front wheel pictured just after shoes, 
> rear wheel pictured at bottom of the group) $200 +shipping obo
>
> Shimano Dynamo hub tied to Alex Adventure rim 32h 700c $150 +shipping obo
>
> Jones Bar $50 +shipping
>
> Surly Truckstop bar NOS $60 +shipping
>
> Seats:
> Selle Anatomica is whipped, totally stretched...$15?
> Brooks Black Swift, C17, B17 $70 ea +shipping
>
> Thompson Seatpost 27.1 $75 +shipping
>
> Analog 31.8 x 30mm 90deg black stem NOS $125 +shipping
>
> other 2 stems lets say $25 ea +shipping
>
> White Industries 16/18 and 20/22 freewheel cogs
> Both are awesome but quite scratched up $100 ea +shipping obo
>
>
>

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[RBW] FS: Bags and parts and wheels and maybe a 57 Quickbeam

[Robert Dowtin]

Hey there everyone. So, it's that time of the year again. Cleaning out 
things, need to make some space. Need to fund parts for other projects, 
etc... I'll try to list everything below in the order it appears in the 
google photo album linked directly below. Please email me at 
robert.dow...@gmail.com off list to discuss your desired purchase. All 
items will ship clean, regardless of possible mud you might see in the 
pictures. All items have been used unless otherwise stated. All items 
+shipping in the lower 48. Happy to discuss shipping elsewhere, of course 
I'd prefer to meet and get coffee or go for a ride and let you pick up the 
parts however. As for the Quickbeam, it isn't pictured. I am not convinced 
I want to move it along but it does too much sitting right now for my 
tastes. I have a lot of climbing around me and just don't take it out 
enough. If you are dying for a 1st Gen Green Quickbeam with Phil Wood 
wheels, Paul Brakes, Silver Crank 39/32 x 16 is how it is set up right now, 
happy to send along pictures and chat. Again, I'm not convinced but for the 
right price or trade for another Riv, I'm sure I could be. Especially 
enticed by trades for other bikes, fyi...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/868VJQABy2ecTtVw7

Swift Rando bag, mount and rack for canti brakes (fit was ideal on my Crust 
CantiBolt)
$200 +shipping

Sackville Happisack Green $175 +shipping (I swapped out the chloroplast for 
harder plastic board lining)

Sackville Bannasack $100 +shipping

Tires Size 42 x 700c 2 Specialized Triggers (worst tires ever in my 
opinion) 1 Terravail Cannonball (also not my favorite) lots of tread on 
both. You may have them if you pay for USPS flat rate box which I believe I 
can stuff these in for $15?

Scott Clippy MTB shoes size 48 $50 +shipping

OG unbranded Quickbeam wheelset (Front wheel pictured just after shoes, 
rear wheel pictured at bottom of the group) $200 +shipping obo

Shimano Dynamo hub tied to Alex Adventure rim 32h 700c $150 +shipping obo

Jones Bar $50 +shipping

Surly Truckstop bar NOS $60 +shipping

Seats:
Selle Anatomica is whipped, totally stretched...$15?
Brooks Black Swift, C17, B17 $70 ea +shipping

Thompson Seatpost 27.1 $75 +shipping

Analog 31.8 x 30mm 90deg black stem NOS $125 +shipping

other 2 stems lets say $25 ea +shipping

White Industries 16/18 and 20/22 freewheel cogs
Both are awesome but quite scratched up $100 ea +shipping obo


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Re: [RBW] FS - 60 Orange Quickbeam

[Robert Gardner]

If I didn’t have one I would buy this. Such a great bike. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 27, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> Nice price for a nice frame. Did you or a previous owner have it painted 
> orange? Well, I guess, since IIRC, orange was not OEM, right?
> 
> What is the top tube length on a 58/60 frame?
> 
> Patrick Moore, who has owned exactly 3 Rivendell fixed gears (plus many 
> others).
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 12:10 PM Sean Steinle  wrote:
>> Reposting with the correct size in the title, I've since discovered Riv uses 
>> (used?) C-T for their frame sizes. 
>> 
>> I've decided to go a different direction mid-build. This one is well used, 
>> but no dents or dings. Took pics of a couple spots of missing paint, but the 
>> paint has wear all over the bike. I can take more pics if needed. I have a 
>> brand new set of QB decals and headbadge, so this is a perfect candidate for 
>> a new paint job!
>> 
>> Measures 58cm from the center of the crank bolt to the center of the top 
>> tube, 60cm C-T.
>> 
>> I'm offering this in a choose your own flavor fashion. As pictured it's a 
>> total hodge podge. The crank is a VO Grand Cru double that has the inner 
>> ring taken off. The front wheel is a vintage Trek take-off, 36h, nothing 
>> special wheel.
>> 
>> The rear is the star of the show. 32h Phil flip flop hub, 16-18 WI dos eno 
>> one side and  Surly 17-20 Dingle on the other. Currently laced to a Mavic 
>> Open Pro, but has hairline cracks on a few of the nipples. 
>> 
>> I'm keeping the pedals, saddle, and seatpost. Cockpit is currently Nitto 
>> Deluxe w/ Noodles. I've got other parts in my parts bin.
>>  
>> Frame/Fork/Headset/BB price - $800 + shipping from Lawrence, KS. 
>> 
>> If you want parts, we'll put together a package and work on a price. 
>> 
>> Pictures
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[RBW] Re: Share some pictures: Raw steel bikes

[Robert Hakim]

My pleasure Eric! 
It is completely raw, but living in the American West, the patina has 
matured slowly. It has been on the back of the car next to the ocean, in 
the rain multiple times, I spent a few months with family in humid 
Virginia, and I can't even tell you how many creek crossings. The majority 
of the rust is likely from being stored in a garage during my time in Va. 
As cool as the finish is, I think it is making me subconsciously feel like 
the bike is 'old' or 'worn out'. Looking back through the pictures I think, 
for my tastes anyways, I should have curtailed the development of the rust 
a little while ago, hence the desire to get it painted. Though sometimes it 
is fun to show up at the trailhead with a rat bike, surrounded by all the 
modern carbon enduro bikes and their loud graphics. 

Cheers, 
Robert 
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 7:52:48 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Robert! Is this totally raw or is it raw with a clear coat and the 
> patina is under the clear? I ask because I'd figure a raw steel frame would 
> weather more quickly that the time frame you mention. I am prepared to be 
> wrong about this assumption!
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 12:59:00 AM UTC-4 Robert Hakim wrote:
>
>> Eric, 
>>
>> While it's not the style of bike that I would normally post on this 
>> forum, you may enjoy the pictures in this album of my Waltworks mountain 
>> bike. I've left it raw through two seasons of riding and I think it is 
>> interesting to look back on how the finish has changed. I'm thinking about 
>> having it media blasted and powder coated this year. 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/p4FpnrQyZe7Xv7o46
>>
>> Happy riding! 
>> -Robert
>>
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 5:15:57 PM UTC-8 eliu01 wrote:
>>
>>> Here's my wife's custom Frances 650b road bike.
>>>
>>> [image: 5719885899_84d077f5ab_o.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-8 lkbr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>
>>>> Here is a photo of my 1980 Trek mystery model in a pewter color. I know 
>>>> it's not quite raw steel, but it's fun to imagine what's underneath and 
>>>> consider what makes steel more exciting than steel-colored paint.  
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Bunny
>>>>
>>>> [image: MediumRareTrek.png]
>>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:20:45 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm working on a project and considering going the raw steel finish 
>>>>> route, with a clear. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope people can share some pictures of raw steel bikes for 
>>>>> inspiration. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are a few images I've saved.
>>>>>
>>>>>- Lyle's Rivendell Rambouillet 
>>>>>   - Oil buffed in with scotchbrite pads 
>>>>>- Sal's Trek 950
>>>>>   - Raw with clear shellac 
>>>>>- This Rivendell Glorious from facebook
>>>>>   - I believe these got a clear powdercoat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: download.jpg]
>>>>> [image: 37166652_218919018822897_3133483443376095232_n.jpg]
>>>>> [image: 272456597_6980658778672856_3904882088288009621_n.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Share some pictures: Raw steel bikes

[Robert Hakim]

Eric, 

While it's not the style of bike that I would normally post on this forum, 
you may enjoy the pictures in this album of my Waltworks mountain bike. 
I've left it raw through two seasons of riding and I think it is 
interesting to look back on how the finish has changed. I'm thinking about 
having it media blasted and powder coated this year. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/p4FpnrQyZe7Xv7o46

Happy riding! 
-Robert

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 5:15:57 PM UTC-8 eliu01 wrote:

> Here's my wife's custom Frances 650b road bike.
>
> [image: 5719885899_84d077f5ab_o.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:20:09 AM UTC-8 lkbr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> Here is a photo of my 1980 Trek mystery model in a pewter color. I know 
>> it's not quite raw steel, but it's fun to imagine what's underneath and 
>> consider what makes steel more exciting than steel-colored paint.  
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Bunny
>>
>> [image: MediumRareTrek.png]
>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 11:20:45 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on a project and considering going the raw steel finish 
>>> route, with a clear. 
>>>
>>> I hope people can share some pictures of raw steel bikes for 
>>> inspiration. 
>>>
>>> Here are a few images I've saved.
>>>
>>>- Lyle's Rivendell Rambouillet 
>>>   - Oil buffed in with scotchbrite pads 
>>>- Sal's Trek 950
>>>   - Raw with clear shellac 
>>>- This Rivendell Glorious from facebook
>>>   - I believe these got a clear powdercoat
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: download.jpg]
>>> [image: 37166652_218919018822897_3133483443376095232_n.jpg]
>>> [image: 272456597_6980658778672856_3904882088288009621_n.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] WTB Sunxcd 44 and /or 28 tooth chain ring

[Robert Blunt]

Hello Riv folks,
Probably a long shot but I am on the look out for Sunxcd chainrings. I have
48s, 30s, and 34s, but the 46, 44, and 28 tooth ring supply appears to be
drying up. If anyone has any they are not using and are willing to part
with, let me know.
Best,
Robert
Pennington, NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: DMV Area Rivendell Riders

[Robert Gardner]

Would love to bring my tandem out if y'all go for a ride.

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 2:20 PM Elisabeth Sherwood <
elisabeth.sherw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Would love to, Eric!  (Depending on timing, of course...)
>
> (And, I think I owe you an email...)
>
> A nice ride, staying mostly on local paths is:  (i) start south of the
> Anacostia, along the Anacostia Riverwalk trail; head northeast along the
> trail to Bladensburg; (ii) when you hit the fork where you can take either
> the Northwest Branch or the Northeast Branch, go left and take the
> Northwest Branch Trail; (iii) turn left onto the Sligo Creek Trail; keep
> following that until the trail ends (or, rather, becomes more of a pure
> walking path), and then just take Sligo Creek Parkway north; (iv) when
> Sligo Creek hits Forest Glen Rd, take Forest Glen left (west) and then find
> your way down to Forsythe Ave/Jones Mill Rd.
>
> At that point you can decide if you'd like to head north-ish on Beach
> Drive for a few miles, ending up at Garrett Park, which is the local
> turnaround. Or you can go south on Jones Mill, which will lead to the
> southern section of Beach Drive.  That section of Beach Drive is closed off
> to cars.
>
> Once you've gone down Beach Drive, there are multiple city-street-based
> ways to get back to the Anacostia Riverwalk trail.
>
> Will do up a Google Maps thing so you can see what that looks like...
>
> Cheers!
>
> Liz Sherwood
> Washington, DC
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 12:29:29 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi DMV people – Anyone interested in meeting up for a ride sometime soon
>> in or around DC? I'm unfamiliar with good routes and rides and of course
>> open to suggestions. Would love to ride for a few hours :) Cold doesn't
>> bother me but looks like we might be getting some nice weather before long.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 4:42:34 PM UTC-5 mrb wrote:
>>
>>> While out today in Rock Creek Park (not on my Riv, unfortunately), I saw
>>> THREE new Rivs I haven't seen before!
>>>
>>> - A nicely racked up and fendered Hunq
>>> - A different Hunq
>>> - Maybe a custom or a road? Greenish silverish and said "Rivendell"
>>>
>>> Best part was seeing the racked up, very upright and comfortable Hunq
>>> rider, whose smile was visible from a mile away. I swear half the time i
>>> see a rider with a big smile, upright position, and a steel bike, it's a
>>> Riv!
>>>
>>> A Rivendell just makes you happy to Ride!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 12:05:27 PM UTC-4 Chris M wrote:
>>>
 MRB--

 I think that was me on the burgundy custom on 5th! That was my first
 ride on it, so I haven't taken photos yet. I'm in Takoma Park, too! Seems
 like a Rivendell-ish sort of town.

 A meetup sounds fun!

 -Chris



 On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 12:12:58 PM UTC-4 mrb wrote:

> We should do a meetup sometime!
>
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 10:28:56 AM UTC-4 Steve Cole wrote:
>
>> Hey Michael,
>> I live in Arlington with my MIT Atlantis.  Take a look at it on
>> another thread -- Show Me Your Atlantis.  Most of my riding allows me to
>> ride from my home in Rosslyn or start a short drive away -- the Mt. 
>> Vernon
>> Trail, the C Canal, the Anacostia Trail, the Arlington Loop, Haynes
>> Point, and my most regular ride a 10-miler from home around the U.S.
>> Capitol and back.  I tend to ride just after dawn as the trails are not
>> crowded at that time.  Thanks for starting this thread.
>> Steve
>> Arlington
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 9:59:55 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, Tom here!
>>> I ride a limeolive Platypus and I live out in the Herndon area
>>> (Virginia).  I typically don't make it to DC with that bike very often 
>>> --
>>> maybe I will more when the Silver Line station near my house opens next
>>> spring.   I'm active with Fairfax Alliance for Better Bicycling out this
>>> way.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Bagman quick-release brackets and adapters

[Robert Hakim]

I have the QR bag support, but I snapped the plastic bit that attaches to 
the bag. Do you know if it is possible to source just the plastic piece? I 
would hate to have to spend $50 on the whole bundle when the majority of it 
would go unused.

-Robert

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 3:30:28 PM UTC-8 Jim S. wrote:

> bump. $45 each, shipping included.
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:16:16 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> I have three of these for sale. $50 each, shipping included. 
>>
>> You get both the bracket, and new adapters and big thick zipties that 
>> attach the adapter to your saddle bag so that it fits the quick-release 
>> bracket. These work great, if you have a saddle bag that you want to easily 
>> switch among bikes, or if you have a saddle bag that you remove when you 
>> reach your destination.
>>
>> Here's a pretty good product description:
>>
>> https://www.perennialcycle.com/bagman-quick-release-clamp.html
>>
>> Please note: these are not Bagman Expeditions. That is, there is no metal 
>> support piece that your saddle bag rests on. I think these are most useful 
>> if you have a rear rack that your saddle bag can rest on.
>>
>> Here are photos:
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/oBtUWJnL2qvhdj5e7
>>
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[RBW] Re: BikeSnobNYC, 2022 Five Boro NYC Bike tour promo video on Platypus. Reviews of prior tours requested.

[Robert Hakim]

I was lucky that a bike shop employer took me on a Five Borough Ride, and 
it was absolutely fantastic. It was years ago, and I still cherish the 
memories and the tour bib. I would absolutely do it again! I don't know if 
I would do it in consecutive years but it is a unique experience and highly 
recommended. The Verrazano Narrows bridge is steeper than it looks! 

-Robert 

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 11:34:01 AM UTC-8 Dave S wrote:

> Yes, absolutely do it... once.  It's a great way to experience the city 
> that you'll always remember.  He's spot on regarding all the cool places 
> you get to ride on with your bike that is soul-crushing in a car.  
>
> That said, there are SO many people that depending on where you are in the 
> pack, it's unrideable at times (mostly sharp turns and the approaches to 
> bridges).  Getting to the start is a bit of a hassle.  There are special 
> path trains and ferries.  I recommend parking/starting at the finish 
> (Staten Island) and taking the ferry in the morning instead of dealing with 
> it afterward.
>
> I've recommended it to a few folks who then made me do it with them again 
> and those times the PITA factor outweighed the magic that only exists the 
> first time.
>
> Dave
>
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 1:14:23 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Here's a promotion that Bike Snob NYC did with Terry Barentsen.  Looks 
>> like fun.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_9Pj_AD3A
>>
>> Is it worth it?  Most reviews I've heard basically say it's fun one time, 
>> but wouldn't do it again.  
>>
>> Roberta
>>
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[RBW] Wtb Paul Racers in silver or polished

[Robert Blunt]

Hello everyone,
My tektros aren’t doing it for me on the Bleriot and I would like to get
some Paul Racers. They are no longer listed on Paul’s web site which leads
me to believe that they have been discontinued. I always seem to be late to
the party on such things. Does anyone have a set they are willing to parts
with?
-Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

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[RBW] UCI Cyclocross World Championship tickets available 50% off

[Robert Dowtin]

 Cross Post with 650b:

Hey everyone!
Real quick, if you happen to plan on being in the NW Arkansas area this 
weekend and were planning on buying tickets to the festivities. I have 3 
extra weekend passes that I will happily sell to anyone that contacts me 
off list at rob.dow...@gmail.com for 1/2 price. Thanks everyone, have a 
great weekend!

~Rob in NW Ar

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[RBW] WTB Nitto M-18 rack

[Robert Blunt]

Hi everyone,
Blue lug doesn't even have M-18s right now so I was hoping that one of you
no longer needed yours. I would be happy to trade for other parts if your
are looking for anything, or would be happy to send you cash.

Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

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[RBW] Bleriot decals?

[Robert Blunt]

Hello everyone,
Does anyone have a spare set of Bleriot decals? Or does anyone know if RBW
has old ones in stock and available!
Best,
Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

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Re: [RBW] continuing to ride desire

[Robert Tilley]

Sedona Arizona is likely my favorite place to mountain bike. They have
trails for all skill levels, the scenery is incredible and the weather is
typically decent. They can get snow though.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> I ride my Atlantis MIT from March going forward until the ice and snow
> fall.  I have lost the enthusiasm for studded tire riding in the cold.  I
> like to ride trails primarily.  Weather here in LaCrosse, WI has turned
> nasty and I am missing riding.  I've got the time to venture somewhere warm
> where there is abundant trail riding and am asking the group for
> suggestions.  Thanks in advance.  I may not go anywhere, given COVID, but I
> can always dream.  Tim Petersen.
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Re: [RBW] Show me some bikes with black components

[Robert Dowtin]

Such beauty! I have been waiting for what feels like an eternity to enter 
the conversation with my Riv Road Custom "Blue Panda." I was waiting on the 
last part I needed and that is the silver/black panda MKS pedals that 
arrived today! These are the first pics, in my filthy garage. I'll get her 
out again soon!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/mzEj6ZZE71fxKD3g9

~Rob in NW Ar

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:21:48 PM UTC-6 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> nothing is sexier than black 1st Gen Dura Ace.
>
> and i have two bikes with this groupaet.
>
> a Puch Vent Noir
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/nY5DFS65ejufNYJ9A
>
> and a Ron Spencer shop brand (probably Harry Quinn built) 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/BOg1R7vxov0u9xin2
>
> On Fri., Dec. 10, 2021, 11:39 a.m. Eric Marth,  wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure that I dislike black components on bikes. Oh, I can 
>> handle a black derailer or some brakes, I guess. But all black stem, bars, 
>> seatpost, crank, etc is, I'm thinking, not my cup of tea. I'm more of a 
>> decaf espresso type. 
>>
>> Any who — can anyone share with me pictures of nice builds with black 
>> components? 
>>
>> With gratitude,
>> Eric 
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> peter stock
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[RBW] WTT: Pants and Jacket for smaller sized

[Robert Dowtin]

I have pictured in the link below, one pair of size 36 Rene Herse knickers 
and I would love to trade them with someone who has a size 32 of the exact 
same pants. I have worn and washed these pants probably a dozen times and 
don't appear to have lost any quality. Also pictured is a pair of Swerve 
pants, size 34, I recently got from either this list or the 650b list. 
Amazing quality, very much your new fall go to pants. I would love to trade 
these for a comparable pant worth about $50 or I would be willing to trade 
these for the RH knickers size 32 and I will kick in $30, lets say? Both of 
these pants phenomenal just are simply too big for me now. Same goes for 
the last article which is a Garneau jacket sized XL, fits more like a L. 
Would love to trade it with someone for a medium/large similar fall/winter 
jacket. Let me know what you got. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pick your brains about spoke count?

[Robert Dowtin]

Thought I’d chime in as well. Most of my wheel sets have been built by me 
the last few years. Always 32h I’m 6,1 and spent most of the last 5 years 
between 215 and 245. I have only broken one spoke in those 5 years and it 
was one of those fat aluminum Industry 9 spokes on a mountain bike, not 
built by me. Not saying it has anything to do with build quality either. 
Sapim double butted 2.0/1.8 32h, just love ‘em.

Rob in NW Ar 

On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 4:25:24 PM UTC-5 fraze...@gmail.com wrote:

> Chiming in.
>
> As a Clydesdale that "rides light" and chooses to buy quality wheels when 
> I don't have them built for me, I have never had in issue with 32 spokes, 
> ever...even loaded with bike packing gear. 
>
> In agreement with Eric and Bill.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 12:27 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Adding onto Eric's correct comments.  I'd say the rider technique has a 
>> lot to do with the reliability of wheels also.  Some riders just seem to 
>> know how to ride light.  Others simply don't.  There are light weight 
>> riders who destroy wheels because they don't know how to ride, or they do 
>> know and just choose to ride in a way that is harder on wheels.  There are 
>> clydesdales who do just fine with low spoke count wheels because they know 
>> what they are doing.  I think of it in the same way you observe horse 
>> riders.  Some people just seem to glide along, and others ride a horse like 
>> a bag of meal.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 11:15:47 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>
>>> In my experience, the quality of the rim and spokes and the skill of the 
>>> wheelbuilder matter much more than the spoke count. A well-made 32-spoke 
>>> wheel will outlive a cheap 36-spoke wheel any day. 
>>>
>>> I’ve ended up with several bikes with 36-spoke wheels, but more by 
>>> chance than design. I ride on some “classic” hubs that were made at a time 
>>> when 36 was the standard. 
>>>
>>> --Eric N
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2021, at 11:05 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>>>
>>> Lately I've noticed that many suppliers aren't offering any 36 hole 
>>> rims or hubs, as though they're going by the wayside.  A quick check into 
>>> the Phil Wood website shows they're only offering 36 hole in a few models.  
>>> And another check into a major virtual bike shop with "36 hole" as a sort 
>>> criteria showed only 19 rims available in that count among the nearly 60 
>>> available in 32 hole.  BTW, when checking both sites I noticed "sold out" 
>>> for almost everything - scary, I think.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I would always go with the 36. One reason is that the spokes at the rim 
 joint cross, so the spoke tension is working to close the rim joint. This 
 was the reason to go to 44 instead of 40 or 48 many, many years ago, but I 
 think that 44 is an obsolete spoke count at this point. Rims are so much 
 better now that it probably does not matter any more. At 280, I have lots 
 of bikes with 40 and 48 spoke rims. But I don't break spokes on my 32 hole 
 rims either.

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

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 wrote:

> Hey all!
> Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210 
> pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an 
> all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires 
> would 
> be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm. 
>
> OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow? 
>
> Thanks,
> Ben in Omaha
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Re: [RBW] Re: DMV Area Rivendell Riders

[Robert Gardner]

I have two Rivs and picking up a Hubbah this Sunday! Lots of us in DC area!

- RG in DC

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:21 AM Pat Smith  wrote:

> I'm in DC just jealous of you all that own Rivs!
>
> Pat in Capitol Hill with a Black Mountain Cycles Road+
>
> On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:32:42 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I'm an hour south in Fredericksburg, Appaloosa and Hillborne rider here
>> ☮️
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 7:25:44 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I live near Dupont Circle and have/ride a very, very small butternut
>>> Saluki; boyfriend has a green-ish first-generation Hillborne here in DC
>>> (and a lovely (and adored) orange Rambouillet in California, bought years
>>> ago through a tip on this list).  I looked for photos, and the ones we have
>>> are terrible, so those will have to wait.
>>>
>>> But, Michael, I ride on Kennedy at least once every couple of weeks!
>>> (Mid-way through 2020, desperate for regular exercise, friends and I
>>> started meeting up at 6:00 am 2-3 mornings a week and doing quick-and-dirty
>>> (@ 20 mile) rides and around through the city -- we often find ourselves
>>> flying east on Kennedy, having come from Rock Creek, or going west slightly
>>> slower, heading to the park. Will have to look for your shop!)
>>>
>>> Liz  Sherwood
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 6:52:51 AM UTC-4 mrb wrote:
>>>
 Gorgeous Hunq!

 A great story here! The rider of the Red Custom Riv got back to me
 off-list! He's waiting for his message to be approved, but he saw my "Riv
 Bat Signal" and responded! We're gaining steam!

 I own a record shop on NW Kennedy St near Rock Creek -- we could meet
 up over there some time!

 On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 9:38:19 PM UTC-4 WETH wrote:

> I'm in the Kensington area and commute by bike to NW DC.  I have a
> Hunqapillar, photo attached.  A meetup would be fun!
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 9:16:53 AM UTC-4 mrb wrote:
>
>> I found out that Paul R and I both live in Takoma Park, and I know he
>> has a stable of 3 amazing Rivs. As a recent Romulus acquirer, I've 
>> gotten a
>> few shout outs on the streets in the past couple months. Recently, I've
>> also spotted two super nice rigs out on the trails/streets:
>>
>> - A super sweet racked and fendered up Cheviot in Grayish/Blue (I
>> think) on the MBT trail out near ~M or so
>> - A burgundy custom rivendell with a super sick setup riding up 5th
>> st NW
>>
>> If you live and ride in the DC/Maryland/Virginia metro area, shout it
>> out here and show some pics!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 1" needle bearing threaded headset

[Robert Blunt]

I am getting a sold out notification.

On Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 11:58 AM Ryan  wrote:

> Rivendell does have them in stock for $80...for now
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/headsets/products/headset-tange-ird-needl-blastr-roller-drive
>
>
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 1:09:50 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> Needle bearing headsets from IRD/Tange have gotten as rare as hen's teeth
>> during the current parts shortage. Does anyone have one they are willing to
>> part with right now?
>> Best,
>> Robert Blunt
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
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[RBW] WTB 1" needle bearing threaded headset

[Robert Blunt]

Hello everyone,
Needle bearing headsets from IRD/Tange have gotten as rare as hen's teeth
during the current parts shortage. Does anyone have one they are willing to
part with right now?
Best,
Robert Blunt
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTT: Wheels and parts and things for White Ind. DOS ENO(s)

[Robert Dowtin]

Thanks! 32h on the brevets!

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 12:40 Peter Adler  wrote:

>
> I find the Brevets appetizing (how many holes?), but first: Are you sure
> you want to mount a BMX freewheel on a Phil hub? Have you ever tried it?
>
> For many years now, I have had a 700c wheel I bought off eBay: Phil Wood
> freewheel hub, MA2 rim, WI ENO 18T freewheel. I got it cheap, because the
> seller couldn't get the freewheel off; I just assumed I could take it off
> with a normal BMX FW remover, sell the very excellent FW on to someone who
> needed it, and hey! Free 120mm Phil/Mavic wheel.
>
> HA-ha!
>
> Turns out, you can't get any normal BMX remover over the 19mm Phil Wood
> axle - the center holes in the removers are sized for 10mm QR/solid axles.
> I own both the Park BMX removers (FR-6 and FR-8), neither makes it over the
> axle, as the holes are about 12mm. I took it to a branch of a local LBS
> chain (Hank & Frank), whose Oakland store is BMX-heavy; they didn't have
> anything that would work.  I suppose it would be feasible to drill out the
> center hole in a Park remover, but FW removers are pretty tough steel. I
> figured that the seller had either bought the wheel with my same reasoning
> and ran into the same obstacle, or had threaded the ENO on himself, been
> shocked to discover that he couldn't get it off, and didn't cop to it.
>
> I suspect I could have dismantled the freewheel, or tried to remove it by
> brute force. I didn't want to damage the hub, but I also didn't want to
> damage the excellent freewheel - even if I didn't want it, somebody else
> could use it. I finally ended up emailing Phil Wood Support, asking for any
> suggestions. They said I should ship or bring the wheel to them, and they'd
> get the freewheel off intact without destroying the hub. I don't know their
> method; maybe they remove the DS axle end, or perhaps the remove the entire
> axle from the non-drive side. Maybe since they're a machine shop, they've
> fabricated a FW remover to deal with this problem, for the rare occasions
> when they need it. I'm about 50 miles from PW in San Jose CA, and I have a
> collection of projects for them; one of these years I'll get my act
> together and take everything down at once. Meanwhile, I've been looking at
> a very nice useless-to-me wheel for about eight years.
>
> I have a vague memory of having seen listings for Phil Wood hubs
> specifically for BMX; if that memory is accurate, I suspect those hubs have
> narrower diameter axle ends to address this problem. PW doesn't sell BMX
> hubs now, and there's no BMX-specific information on their site. If you
> have such hubs, or if you realize the risk but you're committed to going
> this way, then I hope you'll forgive my lecture.
>
> Peter "forewarned is forearmed" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 6:22:12 AM UTC-7 Robert Dowtin wrote:
>
>> Hey there everyone. I am looking for a 16/18 DOS Eno and a 20/22 DOS Eno
>> for the Phil Wood wheels I just built for my Quickbeam. I'd be happy to buy
>> them from someone but I would prefer to maybe trade some parts. I have the
>> following wheels available all spokes are 2.0/1.8 double buttered either DT
>> or Sapim unless otherwise noted.
>>
>> Set of OG Quickbeam wheels with 16 cog freewheel (no clue what spokes
>> were used but now I'm curious and will be looking into it...)
>>
>> (2) Pacenti Brevet 650b rims have been used but I believe on a fixed only
>> never having the brake track ground upon (rims only)
>>
>> 1 Pacenti Brevet 650b complete front wheel 100qr(with set of NiftySwifty
>> tires, maybe?)
>>
>> 1 Shimano Gen hub Velocity rim 700c 100qr rim brake
>>
>> Set of Novatec six bolt hubs 100/135qr
>>
>> 700c 100/135qr XT Deore hubs, WTB st21 rims, six bolt disc, shimano
>> 9/10/11 freehub (set)
>>
>> 650b Hed Belgium tied to SON gen six bolt disc 100qr
>> 650b Hed Belgium tied to rear Hope4 six bolt disc shiman 9/10/11 freehub
>> 135qr
>>
>> So yeah, anything is up for trade or purchase and I am mainly in need of
>> DOS Eno freewheels. Please direct questions to direct messages. Thanks
>> everyone!
>>
>> Rob in NW Ar
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[RBW] WTT: Wheels and parts and things for White Ind. DOS ENO(s)

[Robert Dowtin]

Hey there everyone. I am looking for a 16/18 DOS Eno and a 20/22 DOS Eno 
for the Phil Wood wheels I just built for my Quickbeam. I'd be happy to buy 
them from someone but I would prefer to maybe trade some parts. I have the 
following wheels available all spokes are 2.0/1.8 double buttered either DT 
or Sapim unless otherwise noted.

Set of OG Quickbeam wheels with 16 cog freewheel (no clue what spokes were 
used but now I'm curious and will be looking into it...)

(2) Pacenti Brevet 650b rims have been used but I believe on a fixed only 
never having the brake track ground upon (rims only)

1 Pacenti Brevet 650b complete front wheel 100qr(with set of NiftySwifty 
tires, maybe?)

1 Shimano Gen hub Velocity rim 700c 100qr rim brake

Set of Novatec six bolt hubs 100/135qr

700c 100/135qr XT Deore hubs, WTB st21 rims, six bolt disc, shimano 9/10/11 
freehub (set)

650b Hed Belgium tied to SON gen six bolt disc 100qr
650b Hed Belgium tied to rear Hope4 six bolt disc shiman 9/10/11 freehub 
135qr 

So yeah, anything is up for trade or purchase and I am mainly in need of 
DOS Eno freewheels. Please direct questions to direct messages. Thanks 
everyone!

Rob in NW Ar

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Re: [RBW] Re: Phone holder preferences

[Robert Blunt]

Thank you David. Been using one now for a few weeks and love it.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 6:01 PM David Person  wrote:

> Robert, I just updated a post I had done on the Quad Lock mount on my
> Albatross bars. FWIW.
>
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 9:00:34 AM UTC-7 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
>> Thank you everybody. I will be rendering  quad lock this week!
>>
>>
>> Robert Blunt
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 11:34 AM Tim Rogers <97r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Quad lock ... especially if you are moving phone between bikes. I have a
>>> mount on my Clem and on my recumbent and it doesn't get any easier. Rock
>>> solid connection and the case only adds a bit of depth to the phone itself.
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 7:25:24 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another vote for the Quadlock. I use their out-front mount and attach
>>>> my headlight to the GoPro mount underneath. Never had any problems with the
>>>> mount in several years of use over all sorts of road surfaces.
>>>> [image: PXL_20210615_001940747.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Susie in a downhill bike park

[Robert Hakim]

Not to downplay your accomplishment at all- I always found the riding at 
Park City and Deer Valley to be pretty groomed. I used to get similar "Good 
Luck Buddie" comments riding my old ridged 29er there too, but never really 
found any trails in that immediate region that were uncomfortably 
challenging. 

If anything the bros are all completely overbiking the whole place, but 
such is the mountain biking culture in that area.

I hope you keep turning heads on all of the trails!
-Robert 

On Tuesday, July 27, 2021 at 12:53:35 PM UTC-7 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:

> Yes, I too would have loved to see a video of this.
>
> I enjoy riding my Susie on fire roads and such, but no downhill riding 
> plans though.  This's bike is probably a little safer for such rides than a 
> typical MTB, I think
>
> On Monday, 19 July 2021 at 23:03:23 UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This reminds me of the guy who took his Jones bike to a bike park: 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozEMnTtV7v0=3s
>>
>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:48:30 PM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> I would have loved to see that. 
>>> I would subscribe to your YouTube channel!
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Santa Rosa, Ca 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:50:45 PM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thought folks might be interested in my recent experience taking my 
>>>> Susie to Deer Valley lift-serviced downhill bike park.  Overall it was 
>>>> highly enjoyable despite dealing with ridiculous bros.
>>>>
>>>> Got a ton of looks and comments, ranging from very positive ("Right 
>>>> on!", "Old school!", "Love it!") to puzzled and dismissive ("good luck, 
>>>> buddy").
>>>>
>>>> She handled great! I don't ride downhill hardly ever, but she was super 
>>>> balanced even on the black diamond stuff that the bros were tearing down. 
>>>> I 
>>>> was able to keep up with my friends who were basically riding soft dually 
>>>> suspended pillows. I found my Tosco bars to be perfect for the descents, 
>>>> and my 2.5" Terravail's at 10psi to be enough to absorb a lot of the bumps 
>>>> and grippy in tight corners.
>>>>
>>>> I was a little nervous about how she would do on some fairly gnarly 
>>>> terrain and she was great.  Not looking to spend too much time at bike 
>>>> parks, but good to know she is up for the challenge if I do.
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Cycling apps for Apple Watch

[Robert Hakim]

I really like Ride With GPS!
Pretty similar to strava, but it doesn't have the KOM/social competitive 
features that strava ships with. 

-Robert 

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 12:14:23 PM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Strava.  Just tracking commutes and joining local challenges (like 
> Freezing Saddles, etc).  The watch app can independently track your ride 
> then sync with the phone later, if you prefer that route.
>
> Be prepared for Strava to encourage you to be "the fastest" and refer to 
> you as an "athlete" constantly.  Super annoying.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Phone holder preferences

[Robert Blunt]

Thank you everybody. I will be rendering  quad lock this week!


Robert Blunt
Pennington, NJ

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 11:34 AM Tim Rogers <97re...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quad lock ... especially if you are moving phone between bikes. I have a
> mount on my Clem and on my recumbent and it doesn't get any easier. Rock
> solid connection and the case only adds a bit of depth to the phone itself.
>
> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 7:25:24 PM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Another vote for the Quadlock. I use their out-front mount and attach my
>> headlight to the GoPro mount underneath. Never had any problems with the
>> mount in several years of use over all sorts of road surfaces.
>> [image: PXL_20210615_001940747.jpg]
>>
>> Nick
>>
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[RBW] Roadini Tires: Anyone running 38s?

[Robert Gardner]

Hi folks --

OK, my Jack Brown's are on their last legs. Is anyone running 38s -- if so,
any reflections? Any pics?

Thanks,

RGinDC

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