Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
I think both you and Patrick would run afoul of "tome" limits with some of your posts! :) Pete in CT (I can be a twit in 140 characters) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/k3fEcD3t0R0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 16:31 -0500, robert zeidler wrote: > And if you finish beyond the time limit? Disqualified. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
Thank You Patrick! I'm not against racing, nor against tome clocks. I like brevets and enjoy the people. I, too, have enjoyed a long lunch. It's not racing in the very strictest sense, I am fully aware. But why not just climb on the bike and knock out the mileage? I'm always interested in the extent to which some folks will go to defend their sport, mot unlike when you read the letters in a car magazine after a test in which the letter writers car didn't fare too well I 'm a RUSA member, and personally love the leverage of the clock. It's interesting and fun. But in it's own way it 's a race. On Friday, January 27, 2012, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Jan 27, 4:23 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > >> Sound much like a race to you? > > I've done brevets that seemed more like a race than a lot of amateur > category races. It also seems to me that the majority of people who > participate in "races" are just out to have fun too. It's all about > attitude. At the end of the day, it's just something to do and people > will take a different approach to how they do it. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
And if you finish beyond the time limit? On Friday, January 27, 2012, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 10:01 -0500, robert zeidler wrote: >> It has a clock. > > Having a time limit does not turn a brevet into a race. You have to > finish within a given time (13.5 hours for a 200km brevet) and must > maintain a certain average speed (around 9.3 mph, if I recall correctly) > across the entire distance. You get no extra points for exceeding that, > and if you go fast enough will run afoul of the opening times for > controls, and will be forced to wait for them. > > So: you get punished for being really fast, get no special points for > being fast, get no distinction for being first, and find that everyone > who completes the event within the time limits wins equally. You will > even find the Big Boys and Girls stopping for an hour or more at a > restaurant for lunch. > > Sound much like a race to you? > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
And if you finish beyond the time limit? On Friday, January 27, 2012, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 10:01 -0500, robert zeidler wrote: >> It has a clock. > > Having a time limit does not turn a brevet into a race. You have to > finish within a given time (13.5 hours for a 200km brevet) and must > maintain a certain average speed (around 9.3 mph, if I recall correctly) > across the entire distance. You get no extra points for exceeding that, > and if you go fast enough will run afoul of the opening times for > controls, and will be forced to wait for them. > > So: you get punished for being really fast, get no special points for > being fast, get no distinction for being first, and find that everyone > who completes the event within the time limits wins equally. You will > even find the Big Boys and Girls stopping for an hour or more at a > restaurant for lunch. > > Sound much like a race to you? > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 10:01 -0500, robert zeidler wrote: > It has a clock. Having a time limit does not turn a brevet into a race. You have to finish within a given time (13.5 hours for a 200km brevet) and must maintain a certain average speed (around 9.3 mph, if I recall correctly) across the entire distance. You get no extra points for exceeding that, and if you go fast enough will run afoul of the opening times for controls, and will be forced to wait for them. So: you get punished for being really fast, get no special points for being fast, get no distinction for being first, and find that everyone who completes the event within the time limits wins equally. You will even find the Big Boys and Girls stopping for an hour or more at a restaurant for lunch. Sound much like a race to you? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
OK On Friday, January 27, 2012, Mike wrote: > Even charity rides and organized centuries have a clock. > > On Jan 27, 7:01 am, robert zeidler wrote: >> It has a clock. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
It has a clock. On Friday, January 27, 2012, Mike wrote: > On Jan 25, 6:24 pm, Chris Lampe wrote: >> I recently got interested in Randonneuring as a very long-term riding >> goal and during my research I found a story a guy wrote about an event >> that included himself, Jan Heine and another guy. Jan ended the trip >> fine, the other guy had to be carried home and the author of the story >> ended up in the hospital. I hope that situation is an anomaly in the >> sport but it certainly made me lose interest. > > The event those three were riding was a unique event--a Cyclos > Montagnards Challenge (http://cyclosmontagnards.org/WhatAreCM.html). > It's not even something recognized by RUSA. Regular brevets, > populaires, and permanents all over generous finish times so that > someone moving along at a steady and constant pace can finish. With > the club I ride with, OR Randonneurs, there are riders from across the > spectrum. This will be my fifth year of randonneuring and I've never > trained in the sense of doing preplanned workouts, intervals or even > charting my build-up to events, I just ride my bike. I do usually > taper off and don't ride so much in the late fall early winter but > then just pick up the mileage riding longer and longer. > > It's been weird, after not really riding for 2 months I started 2012 > with a 200k permanent on 01/02. That was great fun and I was surprised > I finished it feeling so well. It got me all fired up about riding > this year and since that ride I've done 2 other 100+ mile rides, the > second one yesterday. I don't think I ever really pushed my heart > rate, I just kept pedaling. At one point it started raining and I took > shelter and ate a sandwich I brought with me. My main reason for doing > the ride was to go check out some new roads and just spend time on my > bike, something I love. > > If I were to limit myself to short rides I wouldn't see anything. I'd > be stuck noodling around Multnomah County and wouldn't ever get to > ride the road less travelled or see the things like the herd of elk > that I saw yesterday. I don't drive so driving out to start rides > further (farther?) outside the city limits isn't an option. > > I absolutely love randonneuring and what's it done for how I see > cycling and the distances I can manage. To tell you the truth, a 100 > mile ride really isn't that big a deal any more. Because of my work > schedule I'm often off on weekdays while my wife is at work it's not > difficult for me to find the time for a 6 to 10hr ride. I love the > solitude and I love the way I feel on the bike, it's just not > something that's replicated on shorter rides. I realize this type of > riding isn't for everyone or that people simply don't have the time. I > doubt I'll always have the time for it so I'm doing it now while I > can. > > For anyone considering radonneuring don't be deterred by the comment > that it's nothing more than racing. That's simply not true. While > there are fast riders who blast off at the start, there are plenty of > folks who just roll down the road chatting and enjoying each others > company and the scenery. As people have said in the past, > randonneuring is a big tent, there's room for everyone. That's not to > say that it's without stress. My first 300k I overpacked and > perseverated on the distance in the days building up to it but was > pleasantly surprised how smoothly it went with good company, some > breaks, and an easy pace. > > --mike > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
I just did a brevet in Gainesville. 200k, nothing too nuts. Big fun. It IS a free country so to each his/her own. Riding all night is Ok if that's one choice. But not in south of France unless that's where you ride all the time. On Thursday, January 26, 2012, jimD wrote: > Many of my non bicycler friends think that riding 25 miles is Xtreme. > It's a strange thing that as a country we have increasing rates of obesity and great fascination with > Xtreme physical events. > Do I recall correctly that there is/was a tv show having something to > do with Xtreme food or eating? > Xtremely yours, > JimD > On Jan 26, 2012, at 8:52 AM, robert zeidler wrote: > > Cycling, while I love as much as any activety, and certainly more than work, is only one of the things I want to do in life. > > On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Patrick in VT wrote: >> On Jan 26, 10:42 am, robert zeidler wrote: >> >> > Just a matter if time until we have extreme bowling. >> >> Another good point. What is driving people to the "extreme," >> especially amateur athletes? Of course, it's all relative - but I >> think for many amateur/recreational athletes, once the sense of >> accomplishment that came from completing an endurance event (let's say >> a marathon) becomes stale or commonplace (now that it is fairly common >> to see people walking large parts of marathons), they want to push >> harder for a PR or go farther to regain that sense of accomplishment. >> I have no evidence of this, but the current boom with triathlon and >> "extreme" (in the Mt. Dew/X-games sense of the word) endurance events, >> like the Tough Mudder, seem to be a direct result of events like a >> marathon becoming too average. there's no cachet to it anymore. so >> they go bigger, and that's a slippery slope. it's really pretty ego- >> centric. >> >> like most things, i think there's a healthy balance. it's good to >> have goals. challenge ourselves a little, or even a lot. competing, >> even at the recreational/amateur level, can be a very motivating, >> healthy experience for people of all ages. I also think there is a >> misconception about "training" - the athlete the exercises with the >> intent to compete can be said to "train," but it's just exercise. in >> other words, anybody who enjoys doing any kind of aerobic exercise for >> more than 30mins is training. we can't go out and enjoy a couple >> hours on our favorite roads without maintaining some aerobic >> fitness. and anybody who wants to improve their fitness - maybe be a >> little stronger on the hills or turn a 15mile ride into a 30mile ride >> - is training. competitive athletes just exercise a little >> differently. and i bet a lot people would be surprised at what a >> structured "training" program looks for a competitive amateur >> cyclist .. .. it's not killing yourself everyday or working so hard >> that you want to throw up. far from it. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
In the research I've been looking at, one of the points left unclear to me is how much is too much. In certain of the studies, the subjects are elite road cyclist, ultra-runners, or elite nordic ski racers. In others, the subjects are referred to as "long-time endurance exercisers" which is, to me, a bit opaque, though contextually I take to mean on a par with "recreational" marathon runners. However, the points which keep coming back to me are the chronicity of the activity (how many years a person has been performing this type of activity) and the findings associated with chronic systemic inflammation (a systemic "stress response") marked by elevated levels of C-reactive protein and interleukin-6, both of which are known markers of cardiac disease/dysfunction. Some researchers are finding they may be predictive of cardiac disease. To me, this suggests that, as with so many things, and as Patrick in Vt noted, the key is balance and not just in exercise but in Life. My patients and clients who find themselves under high levels of stress at times (physical or psycho-emotional) are encouraged to back off their exercise programs until the stressors are reduced (think accountants around tax-time) since the body doesn't differentiate "good stress" (exercise is good for me!) from "bad stress" (gawd, I hate my job!). Cheers! lyle On 26 January 2012 12:14, jimD wrote: > Many of my non bicycler friends think that riding 25 miles is Xtreme. > > It's a strange thing that as a country we have increasing rates of obesity > and great fascination with > Xtreme physical events. > > Do I recall correctly that there is/was a tv show having something to > do with Xtreme food or eating? > > Xtremely yours, > JimD > > On Jan 26, 2012, at 8:52 AM, robert zeidler wrote: > > Cycling, while I love as much as any activety, and certainly more than > work, is only one of the things I want to do in life. > > On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Patrick in VT wrote: > > On Jan 26, 10:42 am, robert zeidler wrote: > > > > > Just a matter if time until we have extreme bowling. > > > > Another good point. What is driving people to the "extreme," > > especially amateur athletes? Of course, it's all relative - but I > > think for many amateur/recreational athletes, once the sense of > > accomplishment that came from completing an endurance event (let's say > > a marathon) becomes stale or commonplace (now that it is fairly common > > to see people walking large parts of marathons), they want to push > > harder for a PR or go farther to regain that sense of accomplishment. > > I have no evidence of this, but the current boom with triathlon and > > "extreme" (in the Mt. Dew/X-games sense of the word) endurance events, > > like the Tough Mudder, seem to be a direct result of events like a > > marathon becoming too average. there's no cachet to it anymore. so > > they go bigger, and that's a slippery slope. it's really pretty ego- > > centric. > > > > like most things, i think there's a healthy balance. it's good to > > have goals. challenge ourselves a little, or even a lot. competing, > > even at the recreational/amateur level, can be a very motivating, > > healthy experience for people of all ages. I also think there is a > > misconception about "training" - the athlete the exercises with the > > intent to compete can be said to "train," but it's just exercise. in > > other words, anybody who enjoys doing any kind of aerobic exercise for > > more than 30mins is training. we can't go out and enjoy a couple > > hours on our favorite roads without maintaining some aerobic > > fitness. and anybody who wants to improve their fitness - maybe be a > > little stronger on the hills or turn a 15mile ride into a 30mile ride > > - is training. competitive athletes just exercise a little > > differently. and i bet a lot people would be surprised at what a > > structured "training" program looks for a competitive amateur > > cyclist .. .. it's not killing yourself everyday or working so hard > > that you want to throw up. far from it. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
Many of my non bicycler friends think that riding 25 miles is Xtreme. It's a strange thing that as a country we have increasing rates of obesity and great fascination with Xtreme physical events. Do I recall correctly that there is/was a tv show having something to do with Xtreme food or eating? Xtremely yours, JimD On Jan 26, 2012, at 8:52 AM, robert zeidler wrote: > Cycling, while I love as much as any activety, and certainly more than work, > is only one of the things I want to do in life. > > On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Patrick in VT wrote: > > On Jan 26, 10:42 am, robert zeidler wrote: > > > > > Just a matter if time until we have extreme bowling. > > > > Another good point. What is driving people to the "extreme," > > especially amateur athletes? Of course, it's all relative - but I > > think for many amateur/recreational athletes, once the sense of > > accomplishment that came from completing an endurance event (let's say > > a marathon) becomes stale or commonplace (now that it is fairly common > > to see people walking large parts of marathons), they want to push > > harder for a PR or go farther to regain that sense of accomplishment. > > I have no evidence of this, but the current boom with triathlon and > > "extreme" (in the Mt. Dew/X-games sense of the word) endurance events, > > like the Tough Mudder, seem to be a direct result of events like a > > marathon becoming too average. there's no cachet to it anymore. so > > they go bigger, and that's a slippery slope. it's really pretty ego- > > centric. > > > > like most things, i think there's a healthy balance. it's good to > > have goals. challenge ourselves a little, or even a lot. competing, > > even at the recreational/amateur level, can be a very motivating, > > healthy experience for people of all ages. I also think there is a > > misconception about "training" - the athlete the exercises with the > > intent to compete can be said to "train," but it's just exercise. in > > other words, anybody who enjoys doing any kind of aerobic exercise for > > more than 30mins is training. we can't go out and enjoy a couple > > hours on our favorite roads without maintaining some aerobic > > fitness. and anybody who wants to improve their fitness - maybe be a > > little stronger on the hills or turn a 15mile ride into a 30mile ride > > - is training. competitive athletes just exercise a little > > differently. and i bet a lot people would be surprised at what a > > structured "training" program looks for a competitive amateur > > cyclist .. .. it's not killing yourself everyday or working so hard > > that you want to throw up. far from it. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
Cycling, while I love as much as any activety, and certainly more than work, is only one of the things I want to do in life. On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Jan 26, 10:42 am, robert zeidler wrote: > > > Just a matter if time until we have extreme bowling. > > Another good point. What is driving people to the "extreme," > especially amateur athletes? Of course, it's all relative - but I > think for many amateur/recreational athletes, once the sense of > accomplishment that came from completing an endurance event (let's say > a marathon) becomes stale or commonplace (now that it is fairly common > to see people walking large parts of marathons), they want to push > harder for a PR or go farther to regain that sense of accomplishment. > I have no evidence of this, but the current boom with triathlon and > "extreme" (in the Mt. Dew/X-games sense of the word) endurance events, > like the Tough Mudder, seem to be a direct result of events like a > marathon becoming too average. there's no cachet to it anymore. so > they go bigger, and that's a slippery slope. it's really pretty ego- > centric. > > like most things, i think there's a healthy balance. it's good to > have goals. challenge ourselves a little, or even a lot. competing, > even at the recreational/amateur level, can be a very motivating, > healthy experience for people of all ages. I also think there is a > misconception about "training" - the athlete the exercises with the > intent to compete can be said to "train," but it's just exercise. in > other words, anybody who enjoys doing any kind of aerobic exercise for > more than 30mins is training. we can't go out and enjoy a couple > hours on our favorite roads without maintaining some aerobic > fitness. and anybody who wants to improve their fitness - maybe be a > little stronger on the hills or turn a 15mile ride into a 30mile ride > - is training. competitive athletes just exercise a little > differently. and i bet a lot people would be surprised at what a > structured "training" program looks for a competitive amateur > cyclist .. .. it's not killing yourself everyday or working so hard > that you want to throw up. far from it. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
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Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
Where bird watchers compete to observe the most new (to them) birds in a given period. I think there was even a movie about it. Likewise, the Ironbutt Assoc has taken an elegant form of travel, motorcycle touring, and turned it into an extreme endurance event, The IronButt Rally, where riders travel 11,000 miles in 10 days, picking up various bonus points along the way, in a timed event. Just a matter if time until we have extreme bowling. On Thursday, January 26, 2012, jimD wrote: > Robert, > Uh, what's this 'competitive birding' thingy? > -JimD > On Jan 26, 2012, at 3:04 AM, robert zeidler wrote: > > And that's no knock on Jan. Just the extreme ethos. > It's the same thinking that gave us competitive birding. Taking an elegant pastime and turning it into an endurance test. > > On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Manuel Acosta wrote: >> Awww.. So does that me I can't start racing cyclocross now? I was >> looking forward on hellish training rides, that make me want to throw >> up... >> >> On Jan 25, 5:29 pm, Michael Hechmer wrote: >>> A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits >>> of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: >>> >>> http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma... >>> >>> I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that >>> smacks of "training", so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. >>> >>> blessings, >>> michael >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
Robert, Uh, what's this 'competitive birding' thingy? -JimD On Jan 26, 2012, at 3:04 AM, robert zeidler wrote: > And that's no knock on Jan. Just the extreme ethos. > It's the same thinking that gave us competitive birding. Taking an elegant > pastime and turning it into an endurance test. > > On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Manuel Acosta > wrote: > > Awww.. So does that me I can't start racing cyclocross now? I was > > looking forward on hellish training rides, that make me want to throw > > up... > > > > On Jan 25, 5:29 pm, Michael Hechmer wrote: > >> A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits > >> of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research > >> report: > >> > >> http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma... > >> > >> I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that > >> smacks of "training", so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. > >> > >> blessings, > >> michael > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
...and when I'm riding in the great State of Vermont, it's always worth the work. On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Jan 25, 9:06 pm, robert zeidler wrote: > >> But it takes really sick >> efforts to make one, well, really sick. > > that's a very good point. most folks will never approach the training > levels of elite athletes - their "training" is very different than > recreational athletes. most folks can't spend 10 minutes near their > anaerobic threshold, let alone 3+ hours like elite endurance athletes > commonly do. there's a world of difference here, and frankly it's > just not something most of us need to be concerned about. > > I'd add that while high intensity (anaerobic) exercise definitely has > it's benefits, it's a sure fire way to get injured if one doesn't > prime the body for those efforts. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
Ooops! I had intended to include this link: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/diseased-heart-or-athlete-s-heart-sometimes-they-look-strangely-similar Very clear and concise, I thought. Good links within, too. lyle On 26 January 2012 07:35, Lyle Bogart wrote: > Thanks for posting that, Michael. > > There's indeed a growing body of evidence that strongly suggests or links > high endurance activities to a number of cardiac/cardiovascular pathologies > with atrial fibrillation being the most prevalent pathology. Interesting > there are some studies which suggest the very low-resting heart-rate of > highly endurance-trained folks with the development of Afib. > > I've been unable to find any studies linking interval-type activities or > training to similar pathologies. > > Long ago I gave up on routinely doing long-endurance training or > activities. I prefer the interval form of training, mostly incorporating > resistance training and plyometrtics. On the bike, if my intent is more > "training" than going for a "nice ride," I'll take the fixed-gear for a > whirl over some good hilly terrain. Interestingly, this type of training or > activity (interval) always leaves me feeling fresher than a more > traditional cardio (steady-state) activity. > > Cheers! > > lyle > > On 26 January 2012 06:04, robert zeidler wrote: > >> And that's no knock on Jan. Just the extreme ethos. >> It's the same thinking that gave us competitive birding. Taking an >> elegant pastime and turning it into an endurance test. >> >> On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Manuel Acosta < >> manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > Awww.. So does that me I can't start racing cyclocross now? I was >> > looking forward on hellish training rides, that make me want to throw >> > up... >> > >> > On Jan 25, 5:29 pm, Michael Hechmer wrote: >> >> A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the >> benefits >> >> of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research >> report: >> >> >> >> http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma. >> .. >> >> >> >> I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything >> that >> >> smacks of "training", so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived >> desires. >> >> >> >> blessings, >> >> michael >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > lyle f bogart dpt > > 156 bradford rd > wiscasset, me 04578 > 207.882.6494 > 206.794.6937 > > -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
Thanks for posting that, Michael. There's indeed a growing body of evidence that strongly suggests or links high endurance activities to a number of cardiac/cardiovascular pathologies with atrial fibrillation being the most prevalent pathology. Interesting there are some studies which suggest the very low-resting heart-rate of highly endurance-trained folks with the development of Afib. I've been unable to find any studies linking interval-type activities or training to similar pathologies. Long ago I gave up on routinely doing long-endurance training or activities. I prefer the interval form of training, mostly incorporating resistance training and plyometrtics. On the bike, if my intent is more "training" than going for a "nice ride," I'll take the fixed-gear for a whirl over some good hilly terrain. Interestingly, this type of training or activity (interval) always leaves me feeling fresher than a more traditional cardio (steady-state) activity. Cheers! lyle On 26 January 2012 06:04, robert zeidler wrote: > And that's no knock on Jan. Just the extreme ethos. > It's the same thinking that gave us competitive birding. Taking an elegant > pastime and turning it into an endurance test. > > On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Manuel Acosta > wrote: > > Awww.. So does that me I can't start racing cyclocross now? I was > > looking forward on hellish training rides, that make me want to throw > > up... > > > > On Jan 25, 5:29 pm, Michael Hechmer wrote: > >> A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the > benefits > >> of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research > report: > >> > >> http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma. > .. > >> > >> I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything > that > >> smacks of "training", so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived > desires. > >> > >> blessings, > >> michael > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494 206.794.6937 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
And that's no knock on Jan. Just the extreme ethos. It's the same thinking that gave us competitive birding. Taking an elegant pastime and turning it into an endurance test. On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Manuel Acosta wrote: > Awww.. So does that me I can't start racing cyclocross now? I was > looking forward on hellish training rides, that make me want to throw > up... > > On Jan 25, 5:29 pm, Michael Hechmer wrote: >> A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits >> of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: >> >> http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma... >> >> I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that >> smacks of "training", so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. >> >> blessings, >> michael > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Extreme Exercize
I quit racing in '92-having to pay to wait around all day just sucked. But I like "training ", I like competing against self in a strictly selfish way. I do send my times to people, but only because they've asked me to. I've been shocked at how many elite triathletes end up with pacemakers and assorted other ailments related to the heart. But it takes really sick efforts to make one, well, really sick. In between we have Randonneuring. Which is nothing more than racing when you come down to it. I love Jan Heine, and am inspired by his travels. But if/when I ever ride across France, it ain't gonna be at night. If I climb the Tourmalet, it's gonna be in bright sunshine, not just a check on a list as part of some private-parts measurement story for my friends. Cyclotouring to me, and as it applies to this group, seems to strike the right balance. Travel, good health, good scenery, good food, hopefully shared with like-minded good people. I 'm not against the extremes, but as a way of lifeI don't get it. I have an ongoing dialogue with Jill Homer on this very topic. Sorry to ramble, but I think about it quite a bit. RGZ On Wednesday, January 25, 2012, Grant Petersen wrote: > Super neat and thanks, Michael. I love this stuff...as you've supposed. I'll finish reading it tonite. Thank you, really, for sending.. > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: >> >> A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: >> http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-may-damage-heart.aspx?e_cid=20120125_DNL_art_1 >> >> I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that smacks of "training", so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. >> blessings, >> michael > > > -- > Grant > Rivendell Bicycle Works > www.rivbike.com > 925 933 7304 > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Extreme Exercize
A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-may-damage-heart.aspx?e_cid=20120125_DNL_art_1 I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that smacks of "training", so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. blessings, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/G7zTjgBHzFAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
