[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
There's some about the Aluminum cost differences in this http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/261/original_twocranksblogcomp.pdf if you hadn't seen it. The Alpina/Cospea do look just like the Mighty though, from these links. http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=9440zenid=f89716241ad1a74de46f2747c5a83f58 But .I may have figured it out.. these appear to be made of 6061 Al, not the more expensive 2014 Al, which the Mighty cranks are made of. If you look online for Mighty Track cranks, you'll see they're $300 plus. That's because of the 2014 Al used. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
The links to Velo Orange and Ben's Cycle are for the newer (current) Alpina/Cospea. The original one, which is even sleeker -- I own both, so have seen more than pix -- can be seen here: http://www.jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html or here, the bottom one: http://taticycles.com/p/25 == == Garth wrote: There's some about the Aluminum cost differences in this http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/261/original_twocranksblogcomp.pdf if you hadn't seen it. The Alpina/Cospea do look just like the Mighty though, from these links. http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=9440zenid=f89716241ad1a74de46f2747c5a83f58 But .I may have figured it out.. these appear to be made of 6061 Al, not the more expensive 2014 Al, which the Mighty cranks are made of. If you look online for Mighty Track cranks, you'll see they're $300 plus. That's because of the 2014 Al used. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Garth wrote: There's some about the Aluminum cost differences in this http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/261/original_twocranksblogcomp.pdf if you hadn't seen it. The Alpina/Cospea do look just like the Mighty though, from these links. http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=9440z enid=f89716241ad1a74de46f2747c5a83f58 But .I may have figured it out.. these appear to be made of 6061 Al, not the more expensive 2014 Al, which the Mighty cranks are made of. If you look online for Mighty Track cranks, you'll see they're $300 plus. That's because of the 2014 Al used. - Yeah, I use 2014 cranks exclusively on all my race bikes, but I make do with 6061 cranks on my training bikes. -- Jon ³Klass Klown² Grant, adding nothing, as usual, in Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Yeah Patrick, Sugino is a mystery. Who knows what's made with what. I'd say just get whatever crank you like, but don't beleieve for a moment a more expensive one is better, any more than the lesser price one is not as good. It's vanity. It's not like I stare at my TA Zephyr crank and proclaim what a beauty it is! After a few weeks of use it gets dirty, scratched and scuffed. So much for beauty. Hey ... I'd love to be able to ride a $110 crankset, and I'd have no qualms about it. Sugino just doesn't make my length. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Mar 19, 11:18 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah Patrick, Sugino is a mystery. Who knows what's made with what. I'd say just get whatever crank you like, but don't beleieve for a moment a more expensive one is better, any more than the lesser price one is not as good. absolutely agree. I'm just curious about the whole thing and wondering why the details are so fuzzy (material used, in particular) given the price difference - from high end alpina to high end mighty lies $200. anyway, I actually have the Alpina/Cospea or whatever (which is indeed dirty and scuffed!). it's a solid crank. I have TA Alize track crank which makes me want to get a TA double . .. TA makes great stuff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
You see all Sugino's cranks here http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/top_02_e.htm The Might cranks are not the same as VO's or Jitensha's or anyone else's. The Mighty is the Mighty. The difference in cost is the quality of the Al and the forging. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Mar 18, 8:21 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: The difference in cost is the quality of the Al and the forging. that's what i'm trying to figure out. Jitensha is selling the cospea/ alpina for $280 (maybe a typo?). Riv is going to sell the Mighty for $300. so not much difference in price there. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Kind of an odd set-up for a crank, but I see the desperation in getting a low Q triple. That said, triple conversion rings have been around a long time, and most anyone can convert their favorite crank to a triple. The downside is their cost for some people. From my perspective it's too bad TA wasn't such a quirky company. I guess this and the loss of the dollar in value doesn't make them the best of business partners. I don't know why Riv didn't offer the Carmina, or the 110 BCD double Vortex. The Vortex is a anthracite gray color though, but the Q is only 149mm. Euro Asia Imports is the only USA dealer though. My opinion though is partial to TA though, as I use 185mm arms. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
I have VOs Alpina 48/34 crank and I like it a lot, however, the sides of the spider arms could be finished better. It looks good on an lugged Italian bike though http://www.wheelsofchance.org I'd love to see a 110/74 or 95/58 readily available double so that I don't have to use a 110/74 triple as a double. http://wheelsofchance.org/2009/08/28/if-the-answer-is-42-whats-the-question/ On Mar 13, 10:46 am, clevewh...@gmail.com clevewh...@gmail.com wrote: When there are so many really beautiful non-anodized silver cranks out there I don't know why anyone would want an anodized one. After a few miles of pedaling the anodizing will have worn off where the shoe scuffs. plus anodizing is often done because it's cheaper than polishing. VO already carries three Sugino cranks, including the lovely Alpina 110bcd. Their new offerings promise to be stunners, at least in my opinion. On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. It's great that Riv and VO are adding some new tapered cranks, but it sure would be nice for manufacturers to make cranks beyond 175 or even 180. 185mm would be nice for many. but I understand the reluctant mindset and misinformation about longer cranks is hard to counter. People think they ruin their knees etc. Not true. Longer cranks (185mm) have helped my knees tremendously. The 195mm High Sierra/Zinn cranks would be fun to try, but they wouldn't work on the Bombadil without either modifying the chainstays or using a too-long BB and getting a bad chainline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Mar 16, 4:57 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I would assume there has to be some difference . . . It looks like the Mighty Tour has denser material (lower Q, visibly thinner, yet higher weight) so that material must be a lot more costly to buy and manufacture from. you're right. for $300, it'd be nice to know the difference between the mighty tour and some higher end cranks - not the XD2. VO says they would sell it for $375. and the Compe version (whatever that is) would be mid $200s. not a huge deal because these are all good, reliable cranks - but, I wish there was a little more transparency about this. from a consumer perspective, it's nice to know all the details. All I can gather is that there multiple versions of the Alpina Crank - VO sells the high end of these for $170. And, apparently, there are also mulitple versions of the Mighty Tour (which uses a higher grade aluminum than the Alpina?) - it's unclear which version Riv is selling. possibly the Compe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Mar 16, 1:57 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 16, 1:39 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Mar 16, 3:04 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The Sugino website doesnt list the Mighty Tour as a triple capable crank. Do you mean the Alpina? I'd love to see that imported as a triple. looks like the Mighty Tour will be sold as a double, but can be triple- ized with a special ring. which looks ridiculous to me. Any conjectures as to the alleged flaw Grant is referring to in the original incarnation of the Alpina? sounds like there are various versions of the Alpina, so it's hard to tell which crank is being called out - but I assume this includes the Alpina VO sells? Other than the sculpted crankarms (and a possible flaw), is there any difference between the Alpina (the VO Alpina, to be clear) and the Mighty Tour? I would assume there has to be some difference, since VO themselves said that if they were to bring in the Mighty Tour, they would sell it for $375. Since they already sell the Alpina double at $170, that's more than double the price. It looks like the Mighty Tour has denser material (lower Q, visibly thinner, yet higher weight) so that material must be a lot more costly to buy and manufacture from. Can you feel the difference? I wish I knew. They are both great looking cranks.- Hide quoted text - Agree, the mighty tour is a nice looking crank, but not something I would jump up and say I HAVE TO GET. Actually, for the money, I prefer the VO Alpina. The only flaw I see on the VO crank is the logo, it should have used the Sugino crown logo. If I was looking for a new crank, that would be it. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
That VO Alpina is nice, but if I was looking for the economical route, I'd seriously consider the $105 XD700. That's a pretty sweet crank and I kind of prefer the not-so-polished finish. To each his/her own, I suppose. Thanks to whomever pointed out the TA Carmina. Even though it appears pricey, and only imported by Euro Asia, it's good to know that one can get a 94 or a 94/58 crankset in 172.5 for a square taper BB. On Mar 17, 9:38 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 16, 1:57 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 16, 1:39 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Mar 16, 3:04 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The Sugino website doesnt list the Mighty Tour as a triple capable crank. Do you mean the Alpina? I'd love to see that imported as a triple. looks like the Mighty Tour will be sold as a double, but can be triple- ized with a special ring. which looks ridiculous to me. Any conjectures as to the alleged flaw Grant is referring to in the original incarnation of the Alpina? sounds like there are various versions of the Alpina, so it's hard to tell which crank is being called out - but I assume this includes the Alpina VO sells? Other than the sculpted crankarms (and a possible flaw), is there any difference between the Alpina (the VO Alpina, to be clear) and the Mighty Tour? I would assume there has to be some difference, since VO themselves said that if they were to bring in the Mighty Tour, they would sell it for $375. Since they already sell the Alpina double at $170, that's more than double the price. It looks like the Mighty Tour has denser material (lower Q, visibly thinner, yet higher weight) so that material must be a lot more costly to buy and manufacture from. Can you feel the difference? I wish I knew. They are both great looking cranks.- Hide quoted text - Agree, the mighty tour is a nice looking crank, but not something I would jump up and say I HAVE TO GET. Actually, for the money, I prefer the VO Alpina. The only flaw I see on the VO crank is the logo, it should have used the Sugino crown logo. If I was looking for a new crank, that would be it. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Mar 17, 2:14 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: That VO Alpina is nice, but if I was looking for the economical route, I'd seriously consider the $105 XD700. That's a pretty sweet crank and I kind of prefer the not-so-polished finish. To each his/her own, I suppose. Agree, the XD series crankset is the bargain! However, if you want a nice finish, check out Jitensha's version of the Cospea/Alpina crank: pic: http://jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html However, the price is basically the same as Riv: Comes in either square taper for traditional bottom brackets, or Octalink. Lengths: 165, 167.5, 170 (Octalink only), 172.5, 175 cranks with black Sugino rings in 48 and 34t $280.00 with T.A. chainrings $330.00 The only downside is the rings are black. Perhaps, they sell the TA rings in silver. Of course, at $330, it should be available in any color you want! Thanks to whomever pointed out the TA Carmina. Even though it appears pricey, and only imported by Euro Asia, it's good to know that one can get a 94 or a 94/58 crankset in 172.5 for a square taper BB. Peter White has a nice write up about this crank: http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Thanks to whomever pointed out the TA Carmina. Even though it appears pricey, and only imported by Euro Asia, it's good to know that one can get a 94 or a 94/58 crankset in 172.5 for a square taper BB. That would be me. As bfd points out, Peter White sells them as well. I would buy from Peter as he is a great guy and has a good bicycle mind. He will make sure you get what you need. On Mar 17, 4:14 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: That VO Alpina is nice, but if I was looking for the economical route, I'd seriously consider the $105 XD700. That's a pretty sweet crank and I kind of prefer the not-so-polished finish. To each his/her own, I suppose. Thanks to whomever pointed out the TA Carmina. Even though it appears pricey, and only imported by Euro Asia, it's good to know that one can get a 94 or a 94/58 crankset in 172.5 for a square taper BB. On Mar 17, 9:38 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 16, 1:57 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 16, 1:39 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Mar 16, 3:04 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The Sugino website doesnt list the Mighty Tour as a triple capable crank. Do you mean the Alpina? I'd love to see that imported as a triple. looks like the Mighty Tour will be sold as a double, but can be triple- ized with a special ring. which looks ridiculous to me. Any conjectures as to the alleged flaw Grant is referring to in the original incarnation of the Alpina? sounds like there are various versions of the Alpina, so it's hard to tell which crank is being called out - but I assume this includes the Alpina VO sells? Other than the sculpted crankarms (and a possible flaw), is there any difference between the Alpina (the VO Alpina, to be clear) and the Mighty Tour? I would assume there has to be some difference, since VO themselves said that if they were to bring in the Mighty Tour, they would sell it for $375. Since they already sell the Alpina double at $170, that's more than double the price. It looks like the Mighty Tour has denser material (lower Q, visibly thinner, yet higher weight) so that material must be a lot more costly to buy and manufacture from. Can you feel the difference? I wish I knew. They are both great looking cranks.- Hide quoted text - Agree, the mighty tour is a nice looking crank, but not something I would jump up and say I HAVE TO GET. Actually, for the money, I prefer the VO Alpina. The only flaw I see on the VO crank is the logo, it should have used the Sugino crown logo. If I was looking for a new crank, that would be it. Good Luck!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On that note, I don't really understand what the appeal of the Mighty Tour might be. If you spec'ed a nicer version of the XD (with high polish quality rings), you could sell it for $200 and still have a better deal than the Mighty Tour. The Q factor difference between the two cranks is insignificant. It won't please the true low-Q folks, and for some of us wider is better anyway. Maybe some care that the aluminum is supposed to be higher grade, but since the XDs are plenty strong and actually lighter, I'm not sure what that fancy aluminum gets you except for an increase in price. Not saying the MT isn't a great crank, just not sure how I'd justify spending the extra coin over a dressed up XD. Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:14:00 -0700 (PDT) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset That VO Alpina is nice, but if I was looking for the economical route, I'd seriously consider the $105 XD700. That's a pretty sweet crank and I kind of prefer the not-so-polished finish. To each his/her own, I suppose. Thanks to whomever pointed out the TA Carmina. Even though it appears pricey, and only imported by Euro Asia, it's good to know that one can get a 94 or a 94/58 crankset in 172.5 for a square taper BB. On Mar 17, 9:38 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 16, 1:57 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 16, 1:39 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Mar 16, 3:04 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The Sugino website doesnt list the Mighty Tour as a triple capable crank. Do you mean the Alpina? I'd love to see that imported as a triple. looks like the Mighty Tour will be sold as a double, but can be triple- ized with a special ring. which looks ridiculous to me. Any conjectures as to the alleged flaw Grant is referring to in the original incarnation of the Alpina? sounds like there are various versions of the Alpina, so it's hard to tell which crank is being called out - but I assume this includes the Alpina VO sells? Other than the sculpted crankarms (and a possible flaw), is there any difference between the Alpina (the VO Alpina, to be clear) and the Mighty Tour? I would assume there has to be some difference, since VO themselves said that if they were to bring in the Mighty Tour, they would sell it for $375. Since they already sell the Alpina double at $170, that's more than double the price. It looks like the Mighty Tour has denser material (lower Q, visibly thinner, yet higher weight) so that material must be a lot more costly to buy and manufacture from. Can you feel the difference? I wish I knew. They are both great looking cranks.- Hide quoted text - Agree, the mighty tour is a nice looking crank, but not something I would jump up and say I HAVE TO GET. Actually, for the money, I prefer the VO Alpina. The only flaw I see on the VO crank is the logo, it should have used the Sugino crown logo. If I was looking for a new crank, that would be it. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Come on, dude! $300 is way better than $115 300/115 = 2.60869 The Mighty Tour is therefor 2.60869 times better. When you finish a ride, and a friend asks How was your ride? and you say that was a nice ride, you'll know (forever) that it could have been 2.60869 times NICER. You can't live with that kind of regret in this short life. :P On Mar 17, 4:03 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: On that note, I don't really understand what the appeal of the Mighty Tour might be. If you spec'ed a nicer version of the XD (with high polish quality rings), you could sell it for $200 and still have a better deal than the Mighty Tour. The Q factor difference between the two cranks is insignificant. It won't please the true low-Q folks, and for some of us wider is better anyway. Maybe some care that the aluminum is supposed to be higher grade, but since the XDs are plenty strong and actually lighter, I'm not sure what that fancy aluminum gets you except for an increase in price. Not saying the MT isn't a great crank, just not sure how I'd justify spending the extra coin over a dressed up XD. Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:14:00 -0700 (PDT) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset That VO Alpina is nice, but if I was looking for the economical route, I'd seriously consider the $105 XD700. That's a pretty sweet crank and I kind of prefer the not-so-polished finish. To each his/her own, I suppose. Thanks to whomever pointed out the TA Carmina. Even though it appears pricey, and only imported by Euro Asia, it's good to know that one can get a 94 or a 94/58 crankset in 172.5 for a square taper BB. On Mar 17, 9:38 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 16, 1:57 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 16, 1:39 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Mar 16, 3:04 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The Sugino website doesnt list the Mighty Tour as a triple capable crank. Do you mean the Alpina? I'd love to see that imported as a triple. looks like the Mighty Tour will be sold as a double, but can be triple- ized with a special ring. which looks ridiculous to me. Any conjectures as to the alleged flaw Grant is referring to in the original incarnation of the Alpina? sounds like there are various versions of the Alpina, so it's hard to tell which crank is being called out - but I assume this includes the Alpina VO sells? Other than the sculpted crankarms (and a possible flaw), is there any difference between the Alpina (the VO Alpina, to be clear) and the Mighty Tour? I would assume there has to be some difference, since VO themselves said that if they were to bring in the Mighty Tour, they would sell it for $375. Since they already sell the Alpina double at $170, that's more than double the price. It looks like the Mighty Tour has denser material (lower Q, visibly thinner, yet higher weight) so that material must be a lot more costly to buy and manufacture from. Can you feel the difference? I wish I knew. They are both great looking cranks.- Hide quoted text - Agree, the mighty tour is a nice looking crank, but not something I would jump up and say I HAVE TO GET. Actually, for the money, I prefer the VO Alpina. The only flaw I see on the VO crank is the logo, it should have used the Sugino crown logo. If I was looking for a new crank, that would be it. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 16:08 -0700, William wrote: Come on, dude! $300 is way better than $115 300/115 = 2.60869 The Mighty Tour is therefor 2.60869 times better. When you finish a ride, and a friend asks How was your ride? and you say that was a nice ride, you'll know (forever) that it could have been 2.60869 times NICER. You can't live with that kind of regret in this short life. :P Then you should really consider one of those modern carbon cranks with the external bearings. A thousand bucks is common with this type of crank. That's got to be way better than a mere three hundred, right? Well, maybe I was kidding about that part, but not about the thousand bucks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Wed, 2010-03-17 at 16:03 -0700, Dustin Sharp wrote: On that note, I don't really understand what the appeal of the Mighty Tour might be. If you spec'ed a nicer version of the XD (with high polish quality rings), you could sell it for $200 and still have a better deal than the Mighty Tour. The Q factor difference between the two cranks is insignificant. It won't please the true low-Q folks, and for some of us wider is better anyway. Maybe some care that the aluminum is supposed to be higher grade, but since the XDs are plenty strong and actually lighter, I'm not sure what that fancy aluminum gets you except for an increase in price. Not saying the MT isn't a great crank, just not sure how I'd justify spending the extra coin over a dressed up XD. Or, an undressed-up XD, for that matter. Unless the ramped and pinned rings matter to you. If you actually need those and have to buy TA replacement rings to spiff up your XD-2, that'll add $150 to the price. At that point, the Mighty Tour with Triplizer might not look so bad. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
And if the Cospea/Alpina in black works for you, as well as the Octalink bottom bracket, here's one for only $151: http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=75_128_135_772 I have the silver Cospea, and this black one. And they are exactly the same, except for being anodized (not painted) black. Dave, who does like a black crank with a black or a white bike == bfd wrote: On Mar 17, 2:14 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: That VO Alpina is nice, but if I was looking for the economical route, I'd seriously consider the $105 XD700. That's a pretty sweet crank and I kind of prefer the not-so-polished finish. To each his/her own, I suppose. Agree, the XD series crankset is the bargain! However, if you want a nice finish, check out Jitensha's version of the Cospea/Alpina crank: pic: http://jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html However, the price is basically the same as Riv: Comes in either square taper for traditional bottom brackets, or Octalink. Lengths: 165, 167.5, 170 (Octalink only), 172.5, 175 cranks with black Sugino rings in 48 and 34t $280.00 with T.A. chainrings $330.00 The only downside is the rings are black. Perhaps, they sell the TA rings in silver. Of course, at $330, it should be available in any color you want! Thanks to whomever pointed out the TA Carmina. Even though it appears pricey, and only imported by Euro Asia, it's good to know that one can get a 94 or a 94/58 crankset in 172.5 for a square taper BB. Peter White has a nice write up about this crank: http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
there is also the Stronglight Impact, basically the Sugino XD arms with Stronglight pinned chainrings. The rings are a better alloy and nicer finished. Oversea shipping is very reasonable and with the Pound in a more favorable exchange rate these days not much higher than the XD in total. I have used the compact double which is now sitting in a box awaiting it's next assignment. ~Mike~ On Mar 17, 4:47 pm, David Hallerman sunwarrio...@gmail.com wrote: And if the Cospea/Alpina in black works for you, as well as the Octalink bottom bracket, here's one for only $151: http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=75_128_135_772 I have the silver Cospea, and this black one. And they are exactly the same, except for being anodized (not painted) black. Dave, who does like a black crank with a black or a white bike == bfd wrote: On Mar 17, 2:14 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: That VO Alpina is nice, but if I was looking for the economical route, I'd seriously consider the $105 XD700. That's a pretty sweet crank and I kind of prefer the not-so-polished finish. To each his/her own, I suppose. Agree, the XD series crankset is the bargain! However, if you want a nice finish, check out Jitensha's version of the Cospea/Alpina crank: pic: http://jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html However, the price is basically the same as Riv: Comes in either square taper for traditional bottom brackets, or Octalink. Lengths: 165, 167.5, 170 (Octalink only), 172.5, 175 cranks with black Sugino rings in 48 and 34t $280.00 with T.A. chainrings $330.00 The only downside is the rings are black. Perhaps, they sell the TA rings in silver. Of course, at $330, it should be available in any color you want! Thanks to whomever pointed out the TA Carmina. Even though it appears pricey, and only imported by Euro Asia, it's good to know that one can get a 94 or a 94/58 crankset in 172.5 for a square taper BB. Peter White has a nice write up about this crank: http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp Good Luck!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
and the crankset is now revealed on Rivbike. Mighty Tour indeed. On Mar 15, 11:57 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I like that unintentional typo those with the deposable dollars Depose means to dethrone, but it also means to put down (same root as deposit). It also means 'to testify' as in 'take a deposition'. On Mar 15, 10:32 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 13, 3:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay$300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend$300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. I guess the question is how many rando and committed tourers are there? Randonneuring appears to be growing, but I doubt it makes up the majority of riders. Same for people touring. Remember, back in the 80s, the term touring because a dirty word at LBSs as people wouldn't buy those bikes. I recall Sheldon Brown selling very nice NOS late80s/early 90s touring bikes for cheap in early 2000/01 because the mfrs couldn't move them. You just don't see that many people going on tours. Further, if they do, they seem to use some type of racing style bike. It seems the racer or wannbes are a larger share of the market and probably more importantly, those with the deposable dollars to pay the premium for this type of crank. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. Agree, as long as it doesn't tie up too much money that could go towards other projects. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
my guess came true... Not sure I like the triplizer bracket though. But it is a very nice crankset. I wonder why the standard triple is not going to be imported as well? ~Mike~ On Mar 16, 9:54 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: and the crankset is now revealed on Rivbike. Mighty Tour indeed. On Mar 15, 11:57 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I like that unintentional typo those with the deposable dollars Depose means to dethrone, but it also means to put down (same root as deposit). It also means 'to testify' as in 'take a deposition'. On Mar 15, 10:32 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 13, 3:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay$300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend$300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. I guess the question is how many rando and committed tourers are there? Randonneuring appears to be growing, but I doubt it makes up the majority of riders. Same for people touring. Remember, back in the 80s, the term touring because a dirty word at LBSs as people wouldn't buy those bikes. I recall Sheldon Brown selling very nice NOS late80s/early 90s touring bikes for cheap in early 2000/01 because the mfrs couldn't move them. You just don't see that many people going on tours. Further, if they do, they seem to use some type of racing style bike. It seems the racer or wannbes are a larger share of the market and probably more importantly, those with the deposable dollars to pay the premium for this type of crank. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. Agree, as long as it doesn't tie up too much money that could go towards other projects.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
The Sugino website doesnt list the Mighty Tour as a triple capable crank. Do you mean the Alpina? I'd love to see that imported as a triple. On Mar 16, 11:41 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: my guess came true... Not sure I like the triplizer bracket though. But it is a very nice crankset. I wonder why the standard triple is not going to be imported as well? ~Mike~ On Mar 16, 9:54 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: and the crankset is now revealed on Rivbike. Mighty Tour indeed. On Mar 15, 11:57 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I like that unintentional typo those with the deposable dollars Depose means to dethrone, but it also means to put down (same root as deposit). It also means 'to testify' as in 'take a deposition'. On Mar 15, 10:32 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 13, 3:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay$300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend$300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. I guess the question is how many rando and committed tourers are there? Randonneuring appears to be growing, but I doubt it makes up the majority of riders. Same for people touring. Remember, back in the 80s, the term touring because a dirty word at LBSs as people wouldn't buy those bikes. I recall Sheldon Brown selling very nice NOS late80s/early 90s touring bikes for cheap in early 2000/01 because the mfrs couldn't move them. You just don't see that many people going on tours. Further, if they do, they seem to use some type of racing style bike. It seems the racer or wannbes are a larger share of the market and probably more importantly, those with the deposable dollars to pay the premium for this type of crank. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. Agree, as long as it doesn't tie up too much money that could go towards other projects.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Mar 16, 3:04 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The Sugino website doesnt list the Mighty Tour as a triple capable crank. Do you mean the Alpina? I'd love to see that imported as a triple. looks like the Mighty Tour will be sold as a double, but can be triple- ized with a special ring. which looks ridiculous to me. Any conjectures as to the alleged flaw Grant is referring to in the original incarnation of the Alpina? sounds like there are various versions of the Alpina, so it's hard to tell which crank is being called out - but I assume this includes the Alpina VO sells? Other than the sculpted crankarms (and a possible flaw), is there any difference between the Alpina (the VO Alpina, to be clear) and the Mighty Tour? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Mar 16, 1:39 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Mar 16, 3:04 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The Sugino website doesnt list the Mighty Tour as a triple capable crank. Do you mean the Alpina? I'd love to see that imported as a triple. looks like the Mighty Tour will be sold as a double, but can be triple- ized with a special ring. which looks ridiculous to me. Any conjectures as to the alleged flaw Grant is referring to in the original incarnation of the Alpina? sounds like there are various versions of the Alpina, so it's hard to tell which crank is being called out - but I assume this includes the Alpina VO sells? Other than the sculpted crankarms (and a possible flaw), is there any difference between the Alpina (the VO Alpina, to be clear) and the Mighty Tour? I would assume there has to be some difference, since VO themselves said that if they were to bring in the Mighty Tour, they would sell it for $375. Since they already sell the Alpina double at $170, that's more than double the price. It looks like the Mighty Tour has denser material (lower Q, visibly thinner, yet higher weight) so that material must be a lot more costly to buy and manufacture from. Can you feel the difference? I wish I knew. They are both great looking cranks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
sorry, my badI thought I saw a triple version. The Mighty Tour seems like a different design than the Alpina visually.. Much nicer in my opinion. I'm not sure I'm ready to fork over $300 smackers though. Too many hills where I ride not to have a triple too. ~Mike~ On Mar 16, 1:57 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 16, 1:39 pm, Patrick in VT psh...@drm.com wrote: On Mar 16, 3:04 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The Sugino website doesnt list the Mighty Tour as a triple capable crank. Do you mean the Alpina? I'd love to see that imported as a triple. looks like the Mighty Tour will be sold as a double, but can be triple- ized with a special ring. which looks ridiculous to me. Any conjectures as to the alleged flaw Grant is referring to in the original incarnation of the Alpina? sounds like there are various versions of the Alpina, so it's hard to tell which crank is being called out - but I assume this includes the Alpina VO sells? Other than the sculpted crankarms (and a possible flaw), is there any difference between the Alpina (the VO Alpina, to be clear) and the Mighty Tour? I would assume there has to be some difference, since VO themselves said that if they were to bring in the Mighty Tour, they would sell it for $375. Since they already sell the Alpina double at $170, that's more than double the price. It looks like the Mighty Tour has denser material (lower Q, visibly thinner, yet higher weight) so that material must be a lot more costly to buy and manufacture from. Can you feel the difference? I wish I knew. They are both great looking cranks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Mar 13, 3:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. I guess the question is how many rando and committed tourers are there? Randonneuring appears to be growing, but I doubt it makes up the majority of riders. Same for people touring. Remember, back in the 80s, the term touring because a dirty word at LBSs as people wouldn't buy those bikes. I recall Sheldon Brown selling very nice NOS late80s/early 90s touring bikes for cheap in early 2000/01 because the mfrs couldn't move them. You just don't see that many people going on tours. Further, if they do, they seem to use some type of racing style bike. It seems the racer or wannbes are a larger share of the market and probably more importantly, those with the deposable dollars to pay the premium for this type of crank. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. Agree, as long as it doesn't tie up too much money that could go towards other projects. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
It seems the racer or wannbes are a larger share of the market and probably more importantly, those with the deposable dollars to pay the premium for this type of crank. Except for the Roadeo and a few bits here and there, all of Rivs bikes and components are directed for other than the racer or wannabe market. Few of them are cheap. On Mar 15, 12:32 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 13, 3:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. I guess the question is how many rando and committed tourers are there? Randonneuring appears to be growing, but I doubt it makes up the majority of riders. Same for people touring. Remember, back in the 80s, the term touring because a dirty word at LBSs as people wouldn't buy those bikes. I recall Sheldon Brown selling very nice NOS late80s/early 90s touring bikes for cheap in early 2000/01 because the mfrs couldn't move them. You just don't see that many people going on tours. Further, if they do, they seem to use some type of racing style bike. It seems the racer or wannbes are a larger share of the market and probably more importantly, those with the deposable dollars to pay the premium for this type of crank. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. Agree, as long as it doesn't tie up too much money that could go towards other projects. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
yes, in fact I just noticed a thread in another forum where someone wanted a way to mount a rack to a (carbon stayed) bike that had no eyelets. Someone mentioned P-Clamps, while someone else noted he shouldn't try for more than 15 lbs of gear on it. Personally, I don;t think carbon stays were designed with pannier racks in mind, so I would not suggest P-clamping one on. From: bfd bfd...@yahoo.com You just don't see that many people going on tours. Further, if they do, they seem to use some type of racing style bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
I like that unintentional typo those with the deposable dollars Depose means to dethrone, but it also means to put down (same root as deposit). It also means 'to testify' as in 'take a deposition'. On Mar 15, 10:32 am, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 13, 3:19 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. I guess the question is how many rando and committed tourers are there? Randonneuring appears to be growing, but I doubt it makes up the majority of riders. Same for people touring. Remember, back in the 80s, the term touring because a dirty word at LBSs as people wouldn't buy those bikes. I recall Sheldon Brown selling very nice NOS late80s/early 90s touring bikes for cheap in early 2000/01 because the mfrs couldn't move them. You just don't see that many people going on tours. Further, if they do, they seem to use some type of racing style bike. It seems the racer or wannbes are a larger share of the market and probably more importantly, those with the deposable dollars to pay the premium for this type of crank. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. Agree, as long as it doesn't tie up too much money that could go towards other projects. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
I like the Cospea very much. It is gorgeous and works great. I also have a double / triple from DaVinci which is about the same price and is also a great crank. It is actually made by White Ind. and has the advantage of fitting on a pretty short BB, so you can save some money by keeping your current BB. That said, the velo orange version of the Sugino crank looks very good, a step up from the XD2 but not nearly as expensive as the other two. Both the Cospea and and the White are lower Q than the XD2, which I also appreciate. Happy shopping. Michael On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:49 PM, John Blish jbl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Michael, How do you like that Sugino Cospea from Jitensha? I am considering that or maybe this one from Ben's: http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=6455 The Jitensha is considerably more expensive and I realize they are not the exact same part but I don't know which way to go. This is for a D58Kogswell which has never performed quite the way it should as a 9 speed triple. Going to try a compact double and will have to get a new bottom bracket in the process. Thanks. John On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 7:41 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid I missed this announcement and don't see any new dbls on the web site, although I've long wished Riv offered a good double and a better triple. I have this cospea, purchased from Jitensha http://www.jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html. Which is a similar to, but understated compared to the Mity Tour. Michael On Mar 10, 2:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I was intrigued to see today's news describing a new double crankset. I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will differ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- John Blish Minneapolis MN USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. It's great that Riv and VO are adding some new tapered cranks, but it sure would be nice for manufacturers to make cranks beyond 175 or even 180. 185mm would be nice for many. but I understand the reluctant mindset and misinformation about longer cranks is hard to counter. People think they ruin their knees etc. Not true. Longer cranks (185mm) have helped my knees tremendously. The 195mm High Sierra/Zinn cranks would be fun to try, but they wouldn't work on the Bombadil without either modifying the chainstays or using a too-long BB and getting a bad chainline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
When there are so many really beautiful non-anodized silver cranks out there I don't know why anyone would want an anodized one. After a few miles of pedaling the anodizing will have worn off where the shoe scuffs. plus anodizing is often done because it's cheaper than polishing. VO already carries three Sugino cranks, including the lovely Alpina 110bcd. Their new offerings promise to be stunners, at least in my opinion. On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. It's great that Riv and VO are adding some new tapered cranks, but it sure would be nice for manufacturers to make cranks beyond 175 or even 180. 185mm would be nice for many. but I understand the reluctant mindset and misinformation about longer cranks is hard to counter. People think they ruin their knees etc. Not true. Longer cranks (185mm) have helped my knees tremendously. The 195mm High Sierra/Zinn cranks would be fun to try, but they wouldn't work on the Bombadil without either modifying the chainstays or using a too-long BB and getting a bad chainline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
+1 on the 94/58 idea. I have two sets of Richey/Suginos (the matte grey bead blasted ones, not the polished silver ones). I measure their Q at 151, and I can run down to a 22 when I run them triple and a 29T when I run them double. I'd love to stock up on these, or their modern replacement. On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days. If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't offering much of. Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . . Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan... Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
The TA Carmina, among the best crank and chainring in production today, comes in the 94/58 configuration: http://peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp On Mar 13, 9:23 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on the 94/58 idea. I have two sets of Richey/Suginos (the matte grey bead blasted ones, not the polished silver ones). I measure their Q at 151, and I can run down to a 22 when I run them triple and a 29T when I run them double. I'd love to stock up on these, or their modern replacement. On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days. If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't offering much of. Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . . Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan... Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Again the Davinci Crank has a Q of 158, has interchangeable spiders, weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very stiff, is $100 less than TA. Or one might consider the White VBC crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all the way down to a 24 if you want. Michal On Mar 13, 10:43 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The TA Carmina, among the best crank and chainring in production today, comes in the 94/58 configuration: http://peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp On Mar 13, 9:23 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on the 94/58 idea. I have two sets of Richey/Suginos (the matte grey bead blasted ones, not the polished silver ones). I measure their Q at 151, and I can run down to a 22 when I run them triple and a 29T when I run them double. I'd love to stock up on these, or their modern replacement. On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days. If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't offering much of. Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . . Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan... Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 08:26 -0800, MichaelH wrote: Again the Davinci Crank has a Q of 158, has interchangeable spiders, weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very stiff, is $100 less than TA. Or one might consider the White VBC crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all the way down to a 24 if you want. Does billet cranks mean CNC rather than forged? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Since Billet Aluminum is just a chunk of Al, yes, they would be CNC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Again the Davinci Crank has a Q of 158, has interchangeable spiders, weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very stiff, is $100 less than TA. DaVinci is nice. Unless you have months to wait, or happen to call DaVinci when it has a single crank your size and specs, however, $100.00 is not much a premium to get what you want when you want it. I like the DaVinci (White) high polish, but the Carmina matte finish probably goes with more color schemes. Or one might consider the White VBC crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all the way down to a 24 if you want. When White first came out with the VBC the specs showed silver rings would be available. Apparently production issues mean they are available only in black. Otherwise I agree wholly the White is a very good option. On Mar 13, 10:26 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Again the Davinci Crank has a Q of 158, has interchangeable spiders, weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very stiff, is $100 less than TA. Or one might consider the White VBC crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all the way down to a 24 if you want. Michal On Mar 13, 10:43 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The TA Carmina, among the best crank and chainring in production today, comes in the 94/58 configuration: http://peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp On Mar 13, 9:23 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on the 94/58 idea. I have two sets of Richey/Suginos (the matte grey bead blasted ones, not the polished silver ones). I measure their Q at 151, and I can run down to a 22 when I run them triple and a 29T when I run them double. I'd love to stock up on these, or their modern replacement. On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days. If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't offering much of. Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . . Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan... Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
At the '09 NAHBS in Indiana I thought I heard Mr. White say they are CNC machined. On Mar 13, 10:54 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 3/13/10 8:29 AM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote: Does billet cranks mean CNC rather than forged? Not specifically. Billet is the bar stock of metal. You could use the billet in a forging die setup (cold forged, hot forged or near-net forged would be three common options), or machine it using a CNC machine. The White cranks are referred to as machined from billet which would suggest the latter. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
As Michael Hechmer wrote: I like the Cospea very much. It is gorgeous and works great. +23 to that. The Cospea is among the most beautiful cranks ever made, in my eyes. The only ones as attractive are the TA Zephyr Light and the first-and-second generation Shimano Dura-Ace (7400 or 7402), also cold-forged. Dave, who gets amused by his own crank arm aesthetics == Michael Hechmer wrote: I like the Cospea very much. It is gorgeous and works great. I also have a double / triple from DaVinci which is about the same price and is also a great crank. It is actually made by White Ind. and has the advantage of fitting on a pretty short BB, so you can save some money by keeping your current BB. That said, the velo orange version of the Sugino crank looks very good, a step up from the XD2 but not nearly as expensive as the other two. Both the Cospea and and the White are lower Q than the XD2, which I also appreciate. Happy shopping. Michael On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:49 PM, John Blish jbl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Michael, How do you like that Sugino Cospea from Jitensha? I am considering that or maybe this one from Ben's: http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=6455 The Jitensha is considerably more expensive and I realize they are not the exact same part but I don't know which way to go. This is for a D58Kogswell which has never performed quite the way it should as a 9 speed triple. Going to try a compact double and will have to get a new bottom bracket in the process. Thanks. John On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 7:41 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid I missed this announcement and don't see any new dbls on the web site, although I've long wished Riv offered a good double and a better triple. I have this cospea, purchased from Jitensha http://www.jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html. Which is a similar to, but understated compared to the Mity Tour. Michael On Mar 10, 2:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I was intrigued to see today's news describing a new double crankset. I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will differ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- John Blish Minneapolis MN USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 10:06 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: At the '09 NAHBS in Indiana I thought I heard Mr. White say they are CNC machined. In that case, wouldn't this make the daVinci/White cranks less desirable than the forged Sugino models? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. Agree and how large a market is there for another compact crank? I guess the question is who is the market? Most people looking for 110bcd double cranks have a few choices like the one from VO and Jitensha. If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
In that case, wouldn't this make the daVinci/White cranks less desirable than the forged Sugino models? I am no metallurgist so cannot answer the question from any sort of technical perspective. The White Eno on my commuter is stiff, attractive and light. So far its held up well. Originally plan for the 650b (whenever I will get the frame) was to use a TA Carmina. But I came on a perfect condition nos late '80s Shimano Deore at a swap meet recently, and could not pass it up. On Mar 13, 12:18 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 10:06 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: At the '09 NAHBS in Indiana I thought I heard Mr. White say they are CNC machined. In that case, wouldn't this make the daVinci/White cranks less desirable than the forged Sugino models? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. TA does a tidy business in the market. Whether people will pay a premium for a Sugino when there are cheaper models available is another question. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. On Mar 13, 1:30 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. Agree and how large a market is there for another compact crank? I guess the question is who is the market? Most people looking for 110bcd double cranks have a few choices like the one from VO and Jitensha. If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Based on this whole crank discussion, I've been wondering 1. Are there any cranks to be avoided? Nobody much complains about their cranks as long as the fit (length and Q factor) are ok. This is compared to brakes where you hear a lot of discussion/complaints about squealing, finicky setup, and poor stopping power. As for me, I've used and liked pretty much every crank I've tried, including old sakae square taper, various shimano 600, sugino XD, various shimano Hollowtech-II cranks in 105, ultegra, R700, and Dura-Ace flavors, and even some cheap Campy Veloce cranks. They have all seemed fine. 2. Are some people avoiding the Hollowtech-II cranks with external bearings because they don't come in various Q factors (AFAIK)? ...Roy On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:19 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. TA does a tidy business in the market. Whether people will pay a premium for a Sugino when there are cheaper models available is another question. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. On Mar 13, 1:30 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. Agree and how large a market is there for another compact crank? I guess the question is who is the market? Most people looking for 110bcd double cranks have a few choices like the one from VO and Jitensha. If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
1. Are there any cranks to be avoided? Well, you want to avoid cranks that have BCDs inconsistent with your riding ability and preference. Q and compatibility with your bottom bracket spindle (unless you plan to get a new one) are important too. if you pay big bucks for a pretty bike, an unattractive or ill matching crank will certainly stick out like sore thumb. On Mar 13, 5:29 pm, Roy Yates roydya...@gmail.com wrote: Based on this whole crank discussion, I've been wondering 1. Are there any cranks to be avoided? Nobody much complains about their cranks as long as the fit (length and Q factor) are ok. This is compared to brakes where you hear a lot of discussion/complaints about squealing, finicky setup, and poor stopping power. As for me, I've used and liked pretty much every crank I've tried, including old sakae square taper, various shimano 600, sugino XD, various shimano Hollowtech-II cranks in 105, ultegra, R700, and Dura-Ace flavors, and even some cheap Campy Veloce cranks. They have all seemed fine. 2. Are some people avoiding the Hollowtech-II cranks with external bearings because they don't come in various Q factors (AFAIK)? ...Roy On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:19 PM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. TA does a tidy business in the market. Whether people will pay a premium for a Sugino when there are cheaper models available is another question. I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get more later if demand is there. On Mar 13, 1:30 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: For those that may not have known the TA Zephyr triple w/rings sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv. This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74. The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino. The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others. They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm. Agree and how large a market is there for another compact crank? I guess the question is who is the market? Most people looking for 110bcd double cranks have a few choices like the one from VO and Jitensha. If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
I don't particularly like the look of the Davinci or the TA Carmina cranks. I do love Campagnolo's last generation Record/Chorus triples, that were unfortunately discontinued. These cranks are sleek, beautifully finished (polished and anodized) and can be had rather cheaply ($100 for a NOS) if one is patient on eBay. The Q-factor is not more than 160mm and that isn't unreasonably wide for a triple. About the only significant blemish is that they usually come in a 53/42/30 configuration that I understand isn't terribly useful for some (including myself, for the most part). Nevertheless, at $100, you can get whatever chainrings* you wish at Ribble and still be below $200 total, especially if you sell the originals as these can fetch at least $40 on eBay when new. Another complicating factor is that these cranks use the ISO taper and the spindle is asymmetrical, so you either have to use the correct Campagnolo or Phil's version. Even accounting for the essentially proprietary and thus rather expensive bottom bracket, the total bill is still a reasonable $300 or whereabouts for the crank, bottom bracket and . * TA or Stronglight chainrings; only limited to a low of 39T by the 135mm BCD. The granny can be anyone's 74mm BCD chainring (24T minimum). On Mar 13, 8:26 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Again the Davinci Crank has a Q of 158, has interchangeable spiders, weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very stiff, is $100 less than TA. Or one might consider the White VBC crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all the way down to a 24 if you want. Michal On Mar 13, 10:43 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: The TA Carmina, among the best crank and chainring in production today, comes in the 94/58 configuration: http://peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp On Mar 13, 9:23 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on the 94/58 idea. I have two sets of Richey/Suginos (the matte grey bead blasted ones, not the polished silver ones). I measure their Q at 151, and I can run down to a 22 when I run them triple and a 29T when I run them double. I'd love to stock up on these, or their modern replacement. On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days. If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't offering much of. Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . . Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan... Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
on 3/13/10 10:18 AM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 10:06 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: At the '09 NAHBS in Indiana I thought I heard Mr. White say they are CNC machined. In that case, wouldn't this make the daVinci/White cranks less desirable than the forged Sugino models? My personal bias would be towards cold-forged. That being said, the White Industries cranks are one of the few CNC'd cranksets I'd consider. I've ranted a bit about cranks in general over on my blog, and much of it is really outside the topic of this list. http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=399 Pulling some early-90's recollection out of the memory cave (in other words IIRC), depending upon how you spec your billet, you can get some of the benefits of forging. I'm sure some metallurgist will correct me if I'm wrong, but I do recall that you can gain some of the directional benefits within the metal when it the billet gets formed - there may be a die step involved (as well as the various alloys of aluminum). As long as you do your CNC work (or _any_ type of machining) with this in mind, you can minimize the risk of breakage. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - Send them here - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines I threw one leg over my battle-scarred all-terrain stump-jumper and rode several miles to work. I'd sprayed it with some cheap gold paint so it wouldn't look nice. Locked my bike to a radiator, because you never knew, and went in. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan.htm Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
I'm afraid I missed this announcement and don't see any new dbls on the web site, although I've long wished Riv offered a good double and a better triple. I have this cospea, purchased from Jitensha http://www.jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html. Which is a similar to, but understated compared to the Mity Tour. Michael On Mar 10, 2:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I was intrigued to see today's news describing a new double crankset. I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will differ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
The announcement was down a ways on this post: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/209 Here's the pertinent excerpt: We'll have a fancy new Double road crank any minute now. Sugino-made and about $300 with rings and no BB. The best deal in a crank is still the XD-2, the Sugino we sell now. It's planets ahead of all other cranks in that way, but a certain percentage of riders don't want a crank that inexpensive on their bike. When you consider the cost of a new racing crank, this new Sugino double will still be a good deal. Nothing looks like a good deal compared to an XD-2 triple for $110, so let's not even talk about that anymore. On Mar 12, 5:41 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid I missed this announcement and don't see any new dbls on the web site, although I've long wished Riv offered a good double and a better triple. I have this cospea, purchased from Jitenshahttp://www.jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html. Which is a similar to, but understated compared to the Mity Tour. Michael On Mar 10, 2:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I was intrigued to see today's news describing a new double crankset. I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will differ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days. If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't offering much of. Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . . Dustin From: William tapebu...@gmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks awesome: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan.htm Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless badgered incessantly. On Mar 11, 6:33 am, No Brakes Atlanta nobrakesbi...@gmail.com wrote: My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
My bet is that it's the new Sugino Mighty Tour, Merry(soma) from what I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could see them retailing for 300. On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
I'm interested in the steel noodle bars mentioned- steel drop bars resonate with me but AFAIK the only steel drop bars available today are track bars(?) On Mar 10, 2:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I was intrigued to see today's news describing a new double crankset. I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will differ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Too rich for my blood. Ryan On Mar 10, 11:19 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I was intrigued to see today's news describing a new double crankset. I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will differ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
Maybe. That Mighty Tour is pretty swank. Maybe it's my BMX bike shop youth, but I'm also intrigued by the anodized colored chainrings that you can buy for your compact double. On Mar 10, 12:49 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I've been wondering if anyone would import the new Mighty Tour crankset. Maybe this is what they are talking about? I think it's very nice looking, not sure how I would explain it to my personal bicycle parts financial auditor. http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/product_crank_td4_silver_english.htm ~Mike~ On Mar 10, 12:06 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Too rich for my blood. Ryan On Mar 10, 11:19 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I was intrigued to see today's news describing a new double crankset. I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will differ?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
If it were as light as the new VO TA cranks with a Q above 160, I'd probably pay. But I'm predicting it'll be a really nice TA Zephyr-like or Ritchey Logic-like compact double with low Q. From: rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:06:56 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Too rich for my blood. Ryan On Mar 10, 11:19 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I was intrigued to see today's news describing a new double crankset. I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will differ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. On Mar 10, 12:27 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote: If it were as light as the new VO TA cranks with a Q above 160, I'd probably pay. But I'm predicting it'll be a really nice TA Zephyr-like or Ritchey Logic-like compact double with low Q. From: rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:06:56 -0800 (PST) To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset Too rich for my blood. Ryan On Mar 10, 11:19 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I was intrigued to see today's news describing a new double crankset. I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will differ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q From: rperks perks@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:54:47 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset I know not everybody loves low Q, but I dream of the day ritchey cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
