Re: [RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Interestingly, I also started out fixed with about a 63" high gear 
(40x17/19 dingle with 170 cranks and 700x32) and also quickly ramped up to 
70" by increasing chainrings to 42t, then 44t.  I'm in central NJ and 63" 
feels great in my local park (expansive network of flattish trails right 
outside my neighborhood) but once I get out on the roads and venture 
further away from my usual leisure routes and on more rolling terrain it 
feels way too low with too much spinning for my taste.

Starting with 63" was more a result of just having the 40t 170 crank and 
wanting a dingle to start.  17-19 was the smallest Surly dingle cog 
available and a perfect match to the available WI Eno 17-19 freewheel.

I've messed around with this gearing quite a bit the past couple years and 
more recently divided the fixed cog and freewheel between two different 
wheelsets and replaced the 170 crank with a 172.5 39t I scored in a trade 
and running this with the WI Eno 17/19 for approx. 61-62" high which has 
felt fine while freewheel only on my recent rides.  

When I convert back to fixed (Still deciding which of 3 frames will get 
exclusive winter duty this year) I'll go with the Surly 17/19 cog paired 
with the original 170t double crank and 44/46 chainrings for approx. 63" 
low and "72-73" high to get the best of both worlds.

If I had a Quickbeam with the long, angled rear ends I'd consolidate back 
to one wheelset with the matching 17/19 fixed/free flip flop but use an 
"Inverse Double Dingle" set up I previously tested by installing the larger 
of 2 chainrings on the INSIDE and the smaller chainring on the OUTSIDE of 
the double crank since the fixed cog sits further inboard of the hub vs the 
thicker WI freewheel so their chainline is actually off between the two 
sides and this would allow higher fixed gearing and lower freewheel gearing 
with the same cogs in back but cleaner chainline in each with the preferred 
chainring size.

I came up with this after learning about the chainline difference between 
the surly cog and ENO freewheel the first time I tried a 40/42 x 17/19 
dingle drivetrain.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ



On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 11:25:16 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:

> Ian, unsolicited advice (I'm not a Patrick) but ...
>
> Gearing, particularly fixed gear gearing, is very particular to the rider. 
> How strong are you, what cadences are you comfortable with, etc.
> The best way to get a handle on where to start is to pay attention to what 
> gears you use on your multi-speed bike, and try putting it in one gear and 
> leave it there for a while. Also accept the idea that in time you will 
> likely end up with a collection of rings and cogs, which can be a good 
> thing and not really all that expensive as bike fetishes go.
>
> On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 12:38:20 PM UTC-8, Ian A wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Slight thread drift:
>>
>> Was the ramp up in gear inches from 67 to 71 and 76 due to an increase in 
>> strength/familiarity with riding fixed? Or was it the result of trial and 
>> error.
>>
>> I'm planning a fixie build, once the Christmas season passes and finances 
>> settle, and I'm wondering about my best gearing options off the bat. I live 
>> in a relatively flat city, that has a few noticeable acute climbs (river 
>> valley topography).
>>
>> Also, it looks like there are more options in the 3/32 chain width 
>> standard for cogs. Can I get away with using 8 speed chain rings, or is 
>> that asking for derailment issues?
>>
>> Thanks for any insights
>> IanA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[ted]

Ian, unsolicited advice (I'm not a Patrick) but ...

Gearing, particularly fixed gear gearing, is very particular to the rider. 
How strong are you, what cadences are you comfortable with, etc.
The best way to get a handle on where to start is to pay attention to what 
gears you use on your multi-speed bike, and try putting it in one gear and 
leave it there for a while. Also accept the idea that in time you will 
likely end up with a collection of rings and cogs, which can be a good 
thing and not really all that expensive as bike fetishes go.

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 12:38:20 PM UTC-8, Ian A wrote:
>
> Patrick,
>
> Slight thread drift:
>
> Was the ramp up in gear inches from 67 to 71 and 76 due to an increase in 
> strength/familiarity with riding fixed? Or was it the result of trial and 
> error.
>
> I'm planning a fixie build, once the Christmas season passes and finances 
> settle, and I'm wondering about my best gearing options off the bat. I live 
> in a relatively flat city, that has a few noticeable acute climbs (river 
> valley topography).
>
> Also, it looks like there are more options in the 3/32 chain width 
> standard for cogs. Can I get away with using 8 speed chain rings, or is 
> that asking for derailment issues?
>
> Thanks for any insights
> IanA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Joe Bernard]

I love that this thread started in the midst of the SS/fixie thing, then sat 
out 9 years until it became a thing again ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Patrick Moore]

=On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Ian A  wrote:

> ...
>
> Was the ramp up in gear inches from 67 to 71 and 76 due to an increase in
> strength/familiarity with riding fixed? Or was it the result of trial and
> error.
>

Both, really. I started low, afraid that if I went any higher than my 63"
gear, I'd have to get off and walk at each hill -- which was silly, because
even back then -- circa 1996 -- I tended not to downshift a great deal for
hills.

I quickly found out that I disliked having to pedal so fast on flats (this
was back when I could maintain 21-23 on the open road at 108-120 rpm -- I
used to count cadence) and geared up.

OTOH, I was also, back then, a spinner, and I am convinced that riding
fixed helped make me into a masher, so in my own analysis of my gearing
progress, there are conundrums I haven't figured out myself.

At any rate, I do know that there was indeed a physiological adaptation
that happened relatively quickly; certainly within 6 to 12 months if not
sooner; there also was a psychological adaptation -- eg, don't
"automatically" try to maintain speed against winds and on hills -- that
took several years -- I recall complaining to myself how I hated headwinds
when riding fixed; but after several years, I'd learned or reprogrammed to
simply maintain a level of effort instead of a level of speed.

And of course, there is the physiological adaptation to standing for longer
periods and remaining aerobic; and the psychological adaptation of simply
learning to "thinking ahead" to conserve energy for what is to come; ever
more important as I age.

None of this is rocket science; I find fixed and all its various
ramifications very interesting, since I love riding fixed so much, but
really, it's simply a matter of getting on and doing it -- and, of giving
yourself enough time to get used to it before you say, "I don't like it."

Eric Norris, sometime of this list, did PBP fixed, and toured across the
Rockies fixed; he should chime in.

As to rings and cogs: One other advantage of fixed drivetrains is that you
can get by with just about anything. 1/8, 3/32, 10 speed chains -- it all
works. You can put a 1/8" chain on a 10 speed ring to pull a 3/32 cog, no
problem. I once used a 10 sp chain on an old 5 sp-era (? Old Pro 5 Vis)
ring pulling a 3/32 fixed cog; the 10 sp chain had a 8 speed chain
masterlink. It worked fine.

The only finickiness is if you use a Dingle cog; these require a chain no
wider than one made for 9 speed cassettes; 8 speeders and older rub the
adjacent cog.


>
> I'm planning a fixie build, once the Christmas season passes and finances
> settle, and I'm wondering about my best gearing options off the bat. I live
> in a relatively flat city, that has a few noticeable acute climbs (river
> valley topography).
>
> Also, it looks like there are more options in the 3/32 chain width
> standard for cogs. Can I get away with using 8 speed chain rings, or is
> that asking for derailment issues?
>
> Thanks for any insights
> IanA
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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Philip Williamson]

This old thread was a nice surprise!

Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Ian A]

Patrick,

Slight thread drift:

Was the ramp up in gear inches from 67 to 71 and 76 due to an increase in 
strength/familiarity with riding fixed? Or was it the result of trial and error.

I'm planning a fixie build, once the Christmas season passes and finances 
settle, and I'm wondering about my best gearing options off the bat. I live in 
a relatively flat city, that has a few noticeable acute climbs (river valley 
topography).

Also, it looks like there are more options in the 3/32 chain width standard for 
cogs. Can I get away with using 8 speed chain rings, or is that asking for 
derailment issues?

Thanks for any insights
IanA

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Re: [RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Wally Estrella]

Jack Brown Blues.  I'm on my second set.  I had considered JB Greens and 
some flavor of Compass, but love the JBB enough to keep them rolling.


On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 1:23:40 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> What tires do you all commonly use on the QB? A rough guesstimate using 
> Jim's trail calculator says that a 35-to-42 (actual) mm tire, the width I 
> assume you'd choose for the QB, gives a wheel diameter of 27.5" to 28", so 
> a 40 X 18 would give you a 61-62 inch gear, which is certainly usable, but 
> IME rather low for all 'round pavement and dirt road riding -- ie, the sort 
> of riding you'd be likely to do on a 35 mm or 42 mm tire. 
>
> I started off riding fixed/ss with a 63" gear, and rather quickly ramped 
> it up to 67/8" and then to 70/71" for commuting and grocery getting; in 
> fact, I found 63" quite nice for my Monocog 29er. IME, the 65 to 70 gi 
> range is a good one for all rounder riding, though I use a slightly higher 
> gear for the gofast. Note that 70" and 76" do very well in firm dirt with 
> gradual inclines.
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:18 AM, lum gim fong  > wrote:
>
>> If i ever ss i hope twill be on a Qbeam.
>> I will try the 40x18stock option.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Patrick Moore]

What tires do you all commonly use on the QB? A rough guesstimate using
Jim's trail calculator says that a 35-to-42 (actual) mm tire, the width I
assume you'd choose for the QB, gives a wheel diameter of 27.5" to 28", so
a 40 X 18 would give you a 61-62 inch gear, which is certainly usable, but
IME rather low for all 'round pavement and dirt road riding -- ie, the sort
of riding you'd be likely to do on a 35 mm or 42 mm tire.

I started off riding fixed/ss with a 63" gear, and rather quickly ramped it
up to 67/8" and then to 70/71" for commuting and grocery getting; in fact,
I found 63" quite nice for my Monocog 29er. IME, the 65 to 70 gi range is a
good one for all rounder riding, though I use a slightly higher gear for
the gofast. Note that 70" and 76" do very well in firm dirt with gradual
inclines.

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wrote:

> If i ever ss i hope twill be on a Qbeam.
> I will try the 40x18stock option.
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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Esteban]

Thanks for lifting this post out of the past. Just an update: I still love 
love love my Quickbeam although I have another one from this original post 
- a 60cm which fits me better. Running 39x16 and can still make it around 
town. 

Happy holidays, folks!
Esteban

On Monday, December 8, 2008 at 8:27:54 PM UTC-8, charlie wrote:
>
> I haven't a Quickbeam..yet... but I do own a two speed 
> conversion bike using the White Industries 16-19 and  36x39 dual chain 
> rings. I get a 50 and 65 inch gear set up this way using 27" wheels 
> and so far its been good for most terrain within 20 miles of me 
> depending on the direction. Being 50 years old and 255 lbs. I try to 
> avoid climbing steep grades in these gears but I do alright. What I 
> have noticed is that the rhythm of the ride changes using a 
> deraileurless bike and that's okay by me. I like coasting down hills 
> and spinning comfortably between 13-18 mph on the flats. 
>  I did some preliminary testing with my geared bike and most of the 
> time I found myself in a mid 60 inch gear for relatively flat 
> sections. I wanted a lower gear for steeper grades, head winds and 
> when I am tired so I elected to go with the setup I have now. When I 
> get a QB frame I will set it up with a 16-18 and a 22 tooth on the 
> flip side with stock rings. This gives 39, 48,60 & 68 inch gearing. 
> Perfectly suitable for my type of relaxed riding. I am not racing and 
> to me, if I can average 10-15 mph I am happy enough. 
> I like the idea of not having to think about shifting and I use my 
> bikes to go places, not just for riding around. I am lately using more 
> normal clothing (jeans and wool shirts etc.) for the winter and I am 
> riding with a more relaxed pace. I don't seem to go a whole lot slower 
> (maybe 1-2 mph) but I don't sweat so badly either and I can ride a lot 
> farther when I don't use up the 'rocket fuel' so fast. 
>
> On Dec 7, 6:55 pm, Esteban  wrote: 
> > I did about 50 miles on the Quickbeam today up the San Diego coast - 
> > from near Downtown to Encinitas.  I usually take it a little slower on 
> > my Protovelo, set up with Albatross bars, B66, etc.  I rode the same 
> > ride last weekend with my brother and he took my (now sold) Kogswell 
> > P58, and really kicked some butt.  He's very fast, and there are 
> > usually racing (or racing-dressed) riders on this ride.  I got the 
> > idea to take the Quickbeam (set up with Noodles) and ride it pretty 
> > hard for the coast ride today.  The Q usually serves as my "getter" 
> > with a Wald basket and has seen 30-35 mile fun rides, but mostly 10-20 
> > mile errand/transportation trips. 
> > 
> > It was wonderful the whole time. I've gotten better at spinning as 
> > well as coasting - and I was passed on some of the big downhills.  But 
> > I passed the same riders on the uphills.  I charged up Torrey Pines 
> > road without too much trouble.  I was exhausted when I got home, but 
> > thrilled with the simplicity and fun of the day.  Never went down to 
> > my smaller chainwheel, but if I went up into Torrey Pines State Park, 
> > that would have been the call. 
> > 
> > I just wanted to say how great the stock gearing is on the bike.  When 
> > I first got it, I was frustrated about having to spin so much on flats 
> > and coast downhill.  Now I really appreciate it, especially because 
> > 40x18 gets me up almost any hill, including those on this ride, and 
> > even up Potrero Hill in San Francisco.  Actually, mid-grade ascents 
> > seem *easier* on the Quickbeam.  I can't explain that.  40x18 also 
> > seems to be a great touring set-up.  Its fun to learn to love things 
> > that you might initially shun.

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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[C.J. Filip]

Good discussion!

To provide further data point for your collective qualitative consideration:
40x17 in the rolling Palouse of N. Idaho with 40x19 option.  My rides 
consist of spirited solo jaunts, usually connecting bits of trail with 
primarily gravel roads.
  

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> If i ever ss i hope twill be on a Qbeam.
> I will try the 40x18stock option.

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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

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If i ever ss i hope twill be on a Qbeam.
I will try the 40x18stock option.

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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Elfardo]

I was thinking that stock was 40/17.

Sounds like a fun ride. I'm jealous of you guys and your coast
rides.  :-)



On Dec 8, 8:34 am, Patrick in VT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hmm  . . . 40x18 seems like a very casual gear for a single speed road
 ride, no?  A good gear ratio for getting around town or on a studded
 tire winter bike, but I can't imagine a longer, spirited ride in such
 a low gear.
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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Dan]

I run my Quickbeam as a 40 x 16.  It works well for me.  Sometimes I
would like a little larger gear but I usually change my mind after a
large hill.  I found the stock 40 x 18 a little too low for my taste.
I have run a 40 x 18 on a different bike in the winter with studs and
that works fine.

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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Elfardo]

I run the same gearing as you Dan. 40x16 runs as a pretty good
compromise for my fitness level. I'm rarely forced to change to a
lower gear for climbs unless I want to. Puts the lower gear in the
optional category. Yes, I can get a bit frustrated on spinning out on
long downhills and my average is lower which can add quite a bit of
time on a long ride. But hey, SS riding isn't about always having an
acceptable gear for the terrain your riding. Sometimes you're
spinning, sometimes grunting, and sometimes just cruising right
along.

On Dec 8, 11:59 am, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I run my Quickbeam as a 40 x 16.  It works well for me.  Sometimes I
 would like a little larger gear but I usually change my mind after a
 large hill.  I found the stock 40 x 18 a little too low for my taste.
 I have run a 40 x 18 on a different bike in the winter with studs and
 that works fine.

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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Esteban]

Interesting discussion.

I lived in Western Massachusetts during grad school, and there are
lots of wonderful hilly rides, and some great steep climbs.  Of
course, is riding old three speeds at the time so I can't say I took
on any real monsters in the Birkshires.  Here in costal California, we
don't have too many hilly up-downs.  Maybe in the central coast near
San Simeon.  We have lots of canyons and big climbs - sometimes just
to get to the cafe.  I don't know grades - but there are pretty big,
steep hills between neighborhoods.  Other folks might know more.

40x17 would be my choice for the big ring if I went with a dual cog
from White Industries.  But I'm just delighted with 40x18.  I have a
geared bike if I want to be quick or competitive.  My Quickbeam is
just enjoy the view and get up that hill kind of riding as currently
set up.

On Dec 8, 10:44 am, Patrick in VT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hilly seems to be a rather relative term, which is understandable
 given differences in geography, physical fitness, etc. - but is there
 some standard definition of hilly taking these variables into
 account?

 Where I live, hilly means riding in terrain that includes long and/or
 steep climbs in the Green Mountains, Adirondacks or Berkshires - an
 example would be the D2R2 randonee in Deerfield, MA, which I think
 clocks in at about 11,000 ft of climbing over about 100 miles.  I
 think long and hard before heading out on a hilly single speed ride.

 All other terrain, unless it's mostly flat, is called rolling, and
 includes short climbs/rollers of varying gradients - some gentle, some
 brutal.  But, I don't consider a route with a bunch of rollers to be
 hilly and I don't think twice about riding single speed over such
 terrain regardless of the distance.

 What does everyone else consider to be hilly?
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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[RM]

I too ride my Quickbeam on that same coast route (from Coronado). I  
use a White Industries 16 + 19 DOS freewheel and, for the coast ride,  
always keeping it on 40x16. When I head to the back country (say  
Honey Springs Rd, Lyons Valley Rd, or Sunrise Highway), I'll put it  
down to 32x19 when I get too worn on a long climb.

I Quickbeam up to Oceanside or Dana Point and back quite frequently  
and even did the 300K brevet to Huntington Beach and back earlier  
this year--and stayed on the 40x16.

Go for a ride together sometime Esteban?

Rob


On Dec 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Esteban wrote:


 I did about 50 miles on the Quickbeam today up the San Diego coast -
 from near Downtown to Encinitas.  I usually take it a little slower on
 my Protovelo, set up with Albatross bars, B66, etc.  I rode the same
 ride last weekend with my brother and he took my (now sold) Kogswell
 P58, and really kicked some butt.  He's very fast, and there are
 usually racing (or racing-dressed) riders on this ride.  I got the
 idea to take the Quickbeam (set up with Noodles) and ride it pretty
 hard for the coast ride today.  The Q usually serves as my getter
 with a Wald basket and has seen 30-35 mile fun rides, but mostly 10-20
 mile errand/transportation trips.

 It was wonderful the whole time. I've gotten better at spinning as
 well as coasting - and I was passed on some of the big downhills.  But
 I passed the same riders on the uphills.  I charged up Torrey Pines
 road without too much trouble.  I was exhausted when I got home, but
 thrilled with the simplicity and fun of the day.  Never went down to
 my smaller chainwheel, but if I went up into Torrey Pines State Park,
 that would have been the call.

 I just wanted to say how great the stock gearing is on the bike.  When
 I first got it, I was frustrated about having to spin so much on flats
 and coast downhill.  Now I really appreciate it, especially because
 40x18 gets me up almost any hill, including those on this ride, and
 even up Potrero Hill in San Francisco.  Actually, mid-grade ascents
 seem *easier* on the Quickbeam.  I can't explain that.  40x18 also
 seems to be a great touring set-up.  Its fun to learn to love things
 that you might initially shun.
 


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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[franklyn]

My fixed gear bike is my main bike and main training bike in the
winter. I have a strange set up: double crank with 40/36 rings, and a
surly dingle cog with 17/19 cogs. I also have a 22T freewheel on the
flop. I have had this set up on two different bikes for more than 18
months and I have yet to use the 36/19 combination. I have used 40/22
free combination once in San Francisco riding up some 15% hills.

My regular workout on my fixed gear bike is here:
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Grizzly-Peak-Fixed-Gear-Workout

On 40/17 I can get up to the top of Grizzly Peak and ride through many
parts of san francisco without too much problem. On flats with the
same combination I regularly ride between 15-21 mph, but that's
because I am usually riding to catch a transit here or there. I
sometimes commute on a relatively flat 16-mile route (from Palo Alto
to Fremont via dumbarton bridge, for those of you living in the Bay
Area) and with 40/17 I can get there just a shade under an hour. I am
not so small (5'10, 195 lbs) but find that not having to work through
upstroke on the fixed gear help me on most terrains.

Franklyn

On Dec 8, 11:21 am, RM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I too ride my Quickbeam on that same coast route (from Coronado). I  
 use a White Industries 16 + 19 DOS freewheel and, for the coast ride,  
 always keeping it on 40x16. When I head to the back country (say  
 Honey Springs Rd, Lyons Valley Rd, or Sunrise Highway), I'll put it  
 down to 32x19 when I get too worn on a long climb.

 I Quickbeam up to Oceanside or Dana Point and back quite frequently  
 and even did the 300K brevet to Huntington Beach and back earlier  
 this year--and stayed on the 40x16.

 Go for a ride together sometime Esteban?

 Rob

 On Dec 7, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Esteban wrote:



  I did about 50 miles on the Quickbeam today up the San Diego coast -
  from near Downtown to Encinitas.  I usually take it a little slower on
  my Protovelo, set up with Albatross bars, B66, etc.  I rode the same
  ride last weekend with my brother and he took my (now sold) Kogswell
  P58, and really kicked some butt.  He's very fast, and there are
  usually racing (or racing-dressed) riders on this ride.  I got the
  idea to take the Quickbeam (set up with Noodles) and ride it pretty
  hard for the coast ride today.  The Q usually serves as my getter
  with a Wald basket and has seen 30-35 mile fun rides, but mostly 10-20
  mile errand/transportation trips.

  It was wonderful the whole time. I've gotten better at spinning as
  well as coasting - and I was passed on some of the big downhills.  But
  I passed the same riders on the uphills.  I charged up Torrey Pines
  road without too much trouble.  I was exhausted when I got home, but
  thrilled with the simplicity and fun of the day.  Never went down to
  my smaller chainwheel, but if I went up into Torrey Pines State Park,
  that would have been the call.

  I just wanted to say how great the stock gearing is on the bike.  When
  I first got it, I was frustrated about having to spin so much on flats
  and coast downhill.  Now I really appreciate it, especially because
  40x18 gets me up almost any hill, including those on this ride, and
  even up Potrero Hill in San Francisco.  Actually, mid-grade ascents
  seem *easier* on the Quickbeam.  I can't explain that.  40x18 also
  seems to be a great touring set-up.  Its fun to learn to love things
  that you might initially shun.
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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[John McMurry]

On Dec 8, 11:49 am, Patrick in VT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What kind of cadence do you have to spin to sustain a moderate pace,
 say 15mph, with a 60 inch gear?

A cadence in the mid-80's would get you to that speed, in a 60-inch
gear.

On our ride yesterday I was spinning the jb-welded-fixed-grocery-
getter at 100rpm just to keep up with you guys at that pace (52
gear).

I wishing for a set of foot pegs and a sprung saddle half the time.

 Personally, intense spinning wears me
 out much, much faster than powering up hills.

Yep, me too.  If it weren't for Cliff St. I face every morning, I'd
raise the gearing quite a bit on that bike.

John McMurry
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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Patrick in VT]

John -

all things considered - boots, baggy pants, 100rpm cadence - you're
lucky you didn't start a fire!

With my 48x17, I really felt like I was in slow-motion everytime I saw
you whizzing around yesterday.  Watching you in the cornfield was a
trip!

I'm starting to think that I do mash and have a low cadence riding
style compared to what others are stating is comfortable - 40x17/18 at
anything over 15mph sounds like spin class intensity to me.

I usually ride a fixed gear at 48x17/18 and wouldn't want to spin much
more than that.

Interesting discussion.
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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[RonLau]

Jim,

So, when we did the Riv. weekend and you used your QB, what was the
gear going up?

I myself use 44x18 or 48x20, spin out around 28 mph and do the South
Bay training ride on fixed all the time.

My feeling is find the gears you like for what you do.  If you ride
the track, 40x17 is a joke, but 50x15 is also a joke for the road.

Ron

On Dec 8, 8:41 am, CycloFiend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 12/7/08 6:55 PM, Esteban at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I just wanted to say how great the stock gearing is on the bike.  When
  I first got it, I was frustrated about having to spin so much on flats
  and coast downhill.  Now I really appreciate it, especially because
  40x18 gets me up almost any hill, including those on this ride, and
  even up Potrero Hill in San Francisco.  Actually, mid-grade ascents
  seem *easier* on the Quickbeam.  I can't explain that.  40x18 also
  seems to be a great touring set-up.  Its fun to learn to love things
  that you might initially shun.

 One of the benefits of switching to a single-geared system is that finding
 that you as the rider possess a number of gears as well. Roughly speaking,
 when using the Quickbeam, I figure there's roughly four - Cruising on
 flattish surfaces, Seated Climbing, Climbing using your body weight in a
 long, lopey cadence (an excellent way to recover on longer climbs, btw),
 Serious Climbing (which probably has three phases: sweating, cursing, and
 about to pop). (And, since I run the QB fixed a lot, there's the
 exponentially-increasing-cadence-while-trying-to-keep-smooth zen state
 thing...)

 What's great (if you indulge in the heresy of geared/coastable riding) is
 that this carries back into geared riding, along with a better sense of
 maintaining momentum. Catching folks who blew past on the flats while
 grunting out a 53x11, but climb at at 39x32 is just a happy coincidence.

 The Quickbeam remains my favorite bike.  So simple, yet so danged adaptable.

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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[usuk2007]

I ride 40/32 up front with a 16/18 White Ind dual freewheel on one
side and a 22t freewheel on the other.
In that mode I do credit card touring
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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Ray Shine]

I ride the San Francisco Bay Area hills and small mountains.  Some relative 
flat areas, but really probably more like rollies.  On my Quickbeam, I 
primarily use the 40x18. However, one of my fav rides is from home in SF 
through southern Marin, up Bolinas Road past Alpine Lake, summit Mt. Tam, then 
return home via Mill Valley.  Door to door about 56 miles. My QB is equipped 
with a White Industries 18/16 free on the drive side, and a single 20 tooth 
free on the flip. Standard chain rings.

I leave home on the 40x18, and stay on it all the way through Fairfax, where 
the real climb begins. That is a 20 mile spot for me, and depending on how I 
feel, I either gear down to 32x18, or if I am not wholly up to it at that point 
(I'm on the sunny side of 60 years old), I flip the wheel and use 32x20 to 
ascend to the summit, another 10 miles or so, with one long drop to the dam, 
before another long and steeper climb. At the summit, I switch to the 40x16 for 
the fast and nearly all down grade ride home.  Sounds like a lot of work, but 
I enjoy the stops to change gears, eat a banana, look around, etc.  I love the 
Quickbeam.  

Oh, I rode the QB in the Spring Death Valley Century two years ago.  I did the 
whole rde on a 40x17.  I have since replaced that freewheel with the above 
mentioned 18/16.  But it was quite doable on the 40x17.  Of course, Death 
Valley is pretty flat, and there was only one significant climb of about 1200 
feet.  To be honest, the return trip head winds were more difficult for a 
sustained cadence than was the climb to the pass.

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From: Larry Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18
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What part of the country do you ride in?  I am trying to get a gauge on the 
type of hills you are riding on.  I am using the QB with a 40x17 and have found 
this to be a pretty good gear.  I am a bigger rider and find that this leaves 
me enought for the hills and still lets me move fast enough on the flats.  I am 
in central Connecticut.  Not to many real long climbs but alot of short steep 
stuff.  

 

I do have a fixed 15 on the flip side.  I don't do enought riding on the fixed 
to be comfortable on long rides but if we will be doing a relatively flat 15 to 
20 miles that is the gear of choice.

Larry Powers 

 

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double back flip - John Hiatt 



 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:25:12 -0800
 Subject: [RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 
 
 The ride sounds like alot of fun Esteban. I imagine your geared riding
 partners were quite impressed with your one speed. And I am too, with
 a 60 inch gear.
 
 Back in the day, the winter training fixed gear was a 42X16 which is a
 71 inch gear. I built my Quickbeam up from a frame, and that is my
 baseline gear ratio (as a 45X17). Even at my advanced age of 52 and
 less power output, it seems like a good open road riding gear with
 rolling terrain and gentle climbs. I get dropped pretty quickly with
 that gear on our summer groups rides. That probably says more about
 the cutthroat nature of group rides in this valley, or the more
 brotherly nature of your rides.
 
 Over the last few years, watching ebay for deals, I have successfully
 fully complicated my nicely-simple Quickbeam with too many gears. I
 have settled on 45/39 up front. Two flip-flop rears: freecog wheel
 with 17-19T Dos Eno and 22T on the flop, fixed wheel 17-21T Dingle
 with 23T on the flop. That has made it a 4 speed free
 (71-63ish-55-48), and 5 speed fixed (71-61-57-50-46). I can do alot
 without flopping, but any ride into the local mountains does require
 the other side of the wheel.
 Right now I am favoring the free wheel. http://tinyurl.com/43md96
 
 Its a fun bike!
 
 On Dec 7, 7:55 pm, Esteban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I did about 50 miles on the Quickbeam today up the San Diego coast -
  from near Downtown to Encinitas.  I usually take it a little slower on
  my Protovelo, set up with Albatross bars, B66, etc.  I rode the same
  ride last weekend with my brother and he took my (now sold) Kogswell
  P58, and really kicked some butt.  He's very fast, and there are
  usually racing (or racing-dressed) riders on this ride.  I got the
  idea to take the Quickbeam (set up with Noodles) and ride it pretty
  hard for the coast ride today.  The Q usually serves as my getter
  with a Wald basket and has seen 30-35 mile fun rides, but mostly 10-20
  mile errand/transportation trips.
 
  It was wonderful the whole time. I've gotten better at spinning as
  well as coasting - and I was passed on some of the big downhills.  But
  I passed

[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[PATRICK MOORE]

Climbing the 4/10 mile hill up the west mesa to Rio Rancho city limits, the
road behind Don Chalmers Ford and parallel to 528: 66 geared Motobecane
with (last load weighed) 25 lb of cheap organics and gourmets from Sunflower
Market: 44/18X27, speedo readout 6 mph: that works out to about 31 rpm.
Standing, of course. I've climbed it in a 75 on the gofast, but at about
7-8 mph.

53 9/12 year old knees are fine!




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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[charlie]

I haven't a Quickbeam..yet... but I do own a two speed
conversion bike using the White Industries 16-19 and  36x39 dual chain
rings. I get a 50 and 65 inch gear set up this way using 27 wheels
and so far its been good for most terrain within 20 miles of me
depending on the direction. Being 50 years old and 255 lbs. I try to
avoid climbing steep grades in these gears but I do alright. What I
have noticed is that the rhythm of the ride changes using a
deraileurless bike and that's okay by me. I like coasting down hills
and spinning comfortably between 13-18 mph on the flats.
 I did some preliminary testing with my geared bike and most of the
time I found myself in a mid 60 inch gear for relatively flat
sections. I wanted a lower gear for steeper grades, head winds and
when I am tired so I elected to go with the setup I have now. When I
get a QB frame I will set it up with a 16-18 and a 22 tooth on the
flip side with stock rings. This gives 39, 48,60  68 inch gearing.
Perfectly suitable for my type of relaxed riding. I am not racing and
to me, if I can average 10-15 mph I am happy enough.
I like the idea of not having to think about shifting and I use my
bikes to go places, not just for riding around. I am lately using more
normal clothing (jeans and wool shirts etc.) for the winter and I am
riding with a more relaxed pace. I don't seem to go a whole lot slower
(maybe 1-2 mph) but I don't sweat so badly either and I can ride a lot
farther when I don't use up the 'rocket fuel' so fast.

On Dec 7, 6:55 pm, Esteban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I did about 50 miles on the Quickbeam today up the San Diego coast -
 from near Downtown to Encinitas.  I usually take it a little slower on
 my Protovelo, set up with Albatross bars, B66, etc.  I rode the same
 ride last weekend with my brother and he took my (now sold) Kogswell
 P58, and really kicked some butt.  He's very fast, and there are
 usually racing (or racing-dressed) riders on this ride.  I got the
 idea to take the Quickbeam (set up with Noodles) and ride it pretty
 hard for the coast ride today.  The Q usually serves as my getter
 with a Wald basket and has seen 30-35 mile fun rides, but mostly 10-20
 mile errand/transportation trips.

 It was wonderful the whole time. I've gotten better at spinning as
 well as coasting - and I was passed on some of the big downhills.  But
 I passed the same riders on the uphills.  I charged up Torrey Pines
 road without too much trouble.  I was exhausted when I got home, but
 thrilled with the simplicity and fun of the day.  Never went down to
 my smaller chainwheel, but if I went up into Torrey Pines State Park,
 that would have been the call.

 I just wanted to say how great the stock gearing is on the bike.  When
 I first got it, I was frustrated about having to spin so much on flats
 and coast downhill.  Now I really appreciate it, especially because
 40x18 gets me up almost any hill, including those on this ride, and
 even up Potrero Hill in San Francisco.  Actually, mid-grade ascents
 seem *easier* on the Quickbeam.  I can't explain that.  40x18 also
 seems to be a great touring set-up.  Its fun to learn to love things
 that you might initially shun.
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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[CycloFiend]

on 12/8/08 4:32 PM, RonLau at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Jim,
 
 So, when we did the Riv. weekend and you used your QB, what was the
 gear going up?

First day was in fixed mode, at 40x14T.  Stalled on the last steep pitch and
took a few loopy-headed breaks. Second day was 40x18T freewheel mode, which
was much more pleasant.

http://flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/collections/72157600243017970/

Not sure I could do that fixed ascent right now.  But that was a good
weekend!

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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Dr. Bill]

Interesting discussion indeed.  With my QB I've settled on a single
42t chainring with a WI 17/19 on one side and a WI 16t on the flip for
faster club rides.  That gives me gearing of 60, 67, and 71 gear
inches.  90 percent of my riding is in the 42/17 gear, but it's nice
to have the other options.  I would like to go up to around 75 inches
for the fast Tuesday night summer club rides, but that would entail a
chainring swap.

Dr. Bill

On Dec 8, 10:45 pm, CycloFiend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 12/8/08 8:49 AM, Patrick in VT at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  I don't consider myself a masher, and anything less than a 70 inch
  gear ratio is a real drag for me on ss road rides, especially if I'm
  riding fixed and/or for distance.

  What kind of cadence do you have to spin to sustain a moderate pace,
  say 15mph, with a 60 inch gear?  Personally, intense spinning wears me
  out much, much faster than powering up hills.

 After building up my first fixed-gear, I recorded a couple of points of
 reference:

 Fixed Gear Speeds at Specific Cadences
 GEARING Revolutions Per Minute - Speed

 Parasonic w/ Speedblends
 42 x 15T
 w/ 700x32c tires = 75g 60 - 13.5 mph, 80 - 18.0 mph, 100 - 22.5 mph,
 120 - 27 mph

 Dawes w/ Conti's
 42 x 16T
 w/ 700x25c tires = 69g 60 - 12.4 mph, 80 - 16.5 mph, 100 - 20.6 mph,
 120 - 24.7 mph

 Quickbeam Gearing
 40 x 18T/16T/15T/14T
 w/ 700x32c tires = 60 - 67.5 - 72.5 - 77g @90 rpms: 16.1 mph - 18.1 mph -
 19.3 mph - 20.7 mph

 AASHTA - From Sheldon's Gear Calculator (pull down menu, after Meters
 Development)http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gears/

 His advice for gearing selection still is the most cogent ever given:
 low enough that I can make it up the hills where I usually ride, but high
 enough that I can go reasonably fast down the other side.

 Oh - Gino made a vid once, too:http://vimeo.com/1381858

 - Jim

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[RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18

[Doug Peterson]

Last Friday, rode from downtown San Diego to Oceanside, lightly loaded for
credit card touring, on my Atlantis, fully geared, racke'n'packed.  Had an
interesting experience on the rolly section between UCSD  Del Mar.  I was
catching a rider while I was coasting on the downhill  the rider was
pedaling.  Pretty even on the flats.  When I'd shift down to lug my loaded
butt (and luggage) up the hill, I'd lose ground.  We eventually came
together at a stop light in Del Mar  it was a woman on a single speed just
out for a fun ride.  With no racks, packs,  the simple drive train, her
bike was a stark contrast to mine.  And we seemed to be making about the
same average speed, despite the equipment differences, FWIW.

dougP


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From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Sharp
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:46 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: 50 Miles on the Quickbeam today - thoughts on 40x18


That ride can have a few monster hills on it, depending on the route you
take. If you go up Genese from my house, for example, you have to do four
big climbs before you even get to Torrey Pines State Park and begin the true
coastal portion of the ride. I had a low gear of 36x29 yesterday and I was
still wishing for something a bit lower! But that may be more an indication
of my fitness level than anything.

Dustin Sharp
San Diego, CA


On 12/8/08 6:34 AM, Patrick in VT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 hmm  . . . 40x18 seems like a very casual gear for a single speed road
 ride, no?  A good gear ratio for getting around town or on a studded
 tire winter bike, but I can't imagine a longer, spirited ride in such
 a low gear.
 
 
 
 
  
 







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