Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Have to agree that we don't hang on anything. That's the realm of the trendy. If anything, we're retrogeeks, the total opposites of trendy. We got here on our own, and like Grant's copy because he puts our own thoughts into words that we hadn't taken the trouble to write down. On Friday, December 14, 2012 3:19:47 PM UTC-6, z-man wrote: Absolutely correct! Furthermore, all these folks that hang on Grant's words to either agree or disagree. I don't get it. It's not like we hang out or anything, but over the years, all the way back to the BOB days, I've had some really nice chats with Grant. I find him to be a pretty nice guy. But in those talks I never got the impression that I was talking to the Maharishi of the Bicycle, nor have I ever heard him suggest that. Opinions are like you know what's! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/w2d4OJwaNloJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Hey All, OP here. I enjoyed the conversation. Thanks to all! Smooth tracks, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/gWBBJbhAw_UJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Absolutely correct! Furthermore, all these folks that hang on Grant's words to either agree or disagree. I don't get it. It's not like we hang out or anything, but over the years, all the way back to the BOB days, I've had some really nice chats with Grant. I find him to be a pretty nice guy. But in those talks I never got the impression that I was talking to the Maharishi of the Bicycle, nor have I ever heard him suggest that. Opinions are like you know what's! The subtitle of the book, which is excellent reading, should be, Your Mileage May Vary! Every time I read stuff on Velominati, i.e., The Rules (very funny though!), or Chris Kostman I have to laugh at the pomposity of it all. When I read about the Classic Cyclist I kept waiting for the part where he was going to say, ...and the Classic Cyclist has just the right haircut! Grant at least is saying, this is my opinion but hey, whatever. And I do like the Unracer tag. Brilliant. Oh yeah, YMMV! RGZ On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote: With all respect to the writer, I think the review focuses on the wrong things. If Grant had written a book about the history of racing, then the exact number of Merckx's victories would be important. However, in the context of Just Ride, 450 or 525 doesn't make a difference. It's a lot. Unfortunately, it's common for people who for some reason disagree with something they read to try and find something that is wrong, even if it's just a typo on page 126. Then they say that the entire argument is flawed because of these inconsistencies. Because of this nitpicking, the reader loses sight of what the author wants to say: Does he agree or disagree with Grant? More importantly, does he think the book is good/useful and if yes, for whom? If he finds Grant's humorous attitude about racing grating, he should have said so... Of course, the review is worth about as much as you paid for it... Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow out blog at janheine.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
With all respect to the writer, I think the review focuses on the wrong things. If Grant had written a book about the history of racing, then the exact number of Merckx's victories would be important. However, in the context of Just Ride, 450 or 525 doesn't make a difference. It's a lot. Unfortunately, it's common for people who for some reason disagree with something they read to try and find something that is wrong, even if it's just a typo on page 126. Then they say that the entire argument is flawed because of these inconsistencies. Because of this nitpicking, the reader loses sight of what the author wants to say: Does he agree or disagree with Grant? More importantly, does he think the book is good/useful and if yes, for whom? If he finds Grant's humorous attitude about racing grating, he should have said so... Of course, the review is worth about as much as you paid for it... Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterly www.bikequarterly.com Follow out blog at janheine.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I wouldn't get to hung up on George's review. I don't think reviewing books is his thing. You want to talk about a guy who just rideshttp://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/lifestylesearn-local- ride-global/Content?oid=923718. He also watched 70 films in twelve days AND watched every inning of the 75 Cubs at Wrigley (they finished in last place). I'd like to read a book about that! On Dec 14, 12:35 pm, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wr With all respect to the writer, I think the review focuses on the wrong things. If Grant had written a book about the history of racing, then the exact number of Merckx's victories would be important. However, in the context of Just Ride, 450 or 525 doesn't make a difference. It's a lot. Unfortunately, it's common for people who for some reason disagree with something they read to try and find something that is wrong, even if it's just a typo on page 126. Then they say that the entire argument is flawed because of these inconsistencies. Because of this nitpicking, the reader loses sight of what the author wants to say: Does he agree or disagree with Grant? More importantly, does he think the book is good/useful and if yes, for whom? If he finds Grant's humorous attitude about racing grating, he should have said so... Of course, the review is worth about as much as you paid for it... Jan Heine Editor Bicycle Quarterlywww.bikequarterly.com Follow out blog at janheine.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Bravo. I tried clipless when it was new - did not like it. Few years back tried again to see how advances in technology might change my feelings. Still don't like it. Cannot begin to count how many total strangers have wondered when I am going to get with clipless. And heck, my bikes have Campy Super Record, MKS Kierin and White Industry platform pedals respectively. One would think even the most casual cyclists would be aware that I have put a lot of thought (and $) into my pedal choices. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/TpTBy8x-8I4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
On Thu, 2012-12-13 at 06:26 -0800, Matthew J wrote: And heck, my bikes have Campy Super Record, MKS Kierin and White Industry platform pedals respectively. One would think even the most casual cyclists would be aware that I have put a lot of thought (and $) into my pedal choices. Do you think for a moment _casual_ cyclists have any idea about high end road pedals of any kind? I'll bet most _casual_ cyclists don't give any thought to their pedals at all, whatever came with the bike is fine, etc. It would be more reasonable to expect _serious_ cyclists to take note of the thought, care and money you've put into pedal choices, but except for a small niche most simply dismiss your choices as hopelessly old-fashioned. Bravo. I tried clipless when it was new - did not like it. Few years back tried again to see how advances in technology might change my feelings. Still don't like it. Cannot begin to count how many total strangers have wondered when I am going to get with clipless. Exactly: why would anyone serious about the sport use hopelessly out-dated equipment, when everything they read tells them clipless is better? Now we could very well discuss whether one is better than the other and why. It's not at all clear-cut. And I say that as one who used toe clips for 20 years and then gave them up forever. I gave them up because to me, not having toe clips but having positive foot retention with float _is_ better. A limiting factor on long rides for me for 20 years was pain in the toe nails caused by pressure from the toe clips: ignorable for the first 20 miles or so, but by mile 50 bringing mental images of Christ on the cross, only in my case nailed through the big toes. But you are confined in your shoe choices. Of course, if you used cleats as well as toe clips back in the day, you were limited in your choice of shoes, too; but shoes like that are gone forever, as are the cleats. But you could use Bata Bikers, and they were a lot better to wear off the bike than any modern shoes meant for use with clipless pedals. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Do you think for a moment _casual_ cyclists have any idea about high end road pedals of any kind? I'll bet most _casual_ cyclists don't give any thought to their pedals at all, whatever came with the bike is fine, etc. Used casual cyclists as reducio ad absurdam. Most who question my pedals are people who bike a lot. Exactly: why would anyone serious about the sport use hopelessly out-dated equipment, when everything they read tells them clipless is better? There is the rub. For me cycling is not a sport but rather my primary method of moving from point a to point b, whether b is work, errands, local recreation, or far off vacation destination. The bearings and build on the pedals I list are as good as and most likely better than any of the top SPD pedals. I gave them up because to me, not having toe clips but having positive foot retention with float _is_ better. A limiting factor on long rides for me for 20 years was pain in the toe nails caused by pressure from the toe clips: ignorable for the first 20 miles or so, but by mile 50 bringing mental images of Christ on the cross, only in my case nailed through the big toes. Certainly someone experiencing foot problems with cleat or platform pedals should try SPD. But I do not and remain happy with what I ride. But you could use Bata Bikers, and they were a lot better to wear off the bike than any modern shoes meant for use with clipless pedals. Personally, I think the quality of most modern foot wear is falling. Most likely culprit are the couple of huge retailers dominating footwear sales constantly driving vendors to lower costs. But that is a debate for another forum. On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:55:18 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-13 at 06:26 -0800, Matthew J wrote: And heck, my bikes have Campy Super Record, MKS Kierin and White Industry platform pedals respectively. One would think even the most casual cyclists would be aware that I have put a lot of thought (and $) into my pedal choices. Do you think for a moment _casual_ cyclists have any idea about high end road pedals of any kind? I'll bet most _casual_ cyclists don't give any thought to their pedals at all, whatever came with the bike is fine, etc. It would be more reasonable to expect _serious_ cyclists to take note of the thought, care and money you've put into pedal choices, but except for a small niche most simply dismiss your choices as hopelessly old-fashioned. Bravo. I tried clipless when it was new - did not like it. Few years back tried again to see how advances in technology might change my feelings. Still don't like it. Cannot begin to count how many total strangers have wondered when I am going to get with clipless. Exactly: why would anyone serious about the sport use hopelessly out-dated equipment, when everything they read tells them clipless is better? Now we could very well discuss whether one is better than the other and why. It's not at all clear-cut. And I say that as one who used toe clips for 20 years and then gave them up forever. I gave them up because to me, not having toe clips but having positive foot retention with float _is_ better. A limiting factor on long rides for me for 20 years was pain in the toe nails caused by pressure from the toe clips: ignorable for the first 20 miles or so, but by mile 50 bringing mental images of Christ on the cross, only in my case nailed through the big toes. But you are confined in your shoe choices. Of course, if you used cleats as well as toe clips back in the day, you were limited in your choice of shoes, too; but shoes like that are gone forever, as are the But you could use Bata Bikers, and they were a lot better to wear off the bike than any modern shoes meant for use with clipless pedals. cleats. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Feod_Ur2CgIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I went back to platform a couple of years ago. No toe clips just bmx style pedals and I love them. I speak for myself in that. Platforms are better for me and I see no perceptible performance loss. Several people I know just like being attached. It's nice to have quality products on both sides. I don't however buy into antiquated technology or that clip less is better for anyone other than the person saying so. I don't believe one is any better than the other. With the edge going to clipless for racing... I don't race. Ride what you want wear what you want ..share what works for you.It's choice and preference not fact anyway. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/gPpNeS50lBwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
This thread seems to have deviated from the title, but it's interesting anyway. I've ridden clipped in (mountain bike shoes) and found it comfortable. The mountain bike shoes had a stiff sole and the pedals were Shimano m545, which have a cage that offers great foot support. I did over 20,000 miles with this set up. But, I really want to be a flat pedal convert for distance stuff (I'm already a convert for commuting). Are there any randonneurs here that ride flats for the long rides? On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:44:55 PM UTC-7, Kelly wrote: I went back to platform a couple of years ago. No toe clips just bmx style pedals and I love them. I speak for myself in that. Platforms are better for me and I see no perceptible performance loss. Several people I know just like being attached. It's nice to have quality products on both sides. I don't however buy into antiquated technology or that clip less is better for anyone other than the person saying so. I don't believe one is any better than the other. With the edge going to clipless for racing... I don't race. Ride what you want wear what you want ..share what works for you.It's choice and preference not fact anyway. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/dyCvDM2Lr1kJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Due to various job/life situations, I haven't ridden near as much as I would have liked in the past year. If it weren't for the Just Ride philosophy GP established starting in the latter days of Bridgestone, I probably woudn't have ridden at all. I would have believed that if I didn't have time to suit up and click in for at least 20 miles, it wasn't worth doing. But Grant wrote in a catalogue, A 10 minute ride is always worth it. He's right. 10 minutes or one hour or 6 or all day..all are available to me in non-space-age-looking clothes and regular shoes on comfortable, pretty bikes. Because someone had the sense to poke his head up and say, Hey! That's bike riding! Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:58:34 PM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote: I definitely agree with the message Grant is promoting, which basically challenges/discards the turn-offs of cycling that prevent more people from getting out there and riding. Don't not-ride because you think you have to wear special clothes to ride. Don't not-ride because you think you need to have an uncomfortable racer bike to ride. Don't not-ride because you think you need to suffer to get a good ride and you don't want to suffer today. etc... One danger I could see, perhaps one could take offense is that if you do wear special clothes to ride, then you are un-Rivendell. If you do like clipless pedals, then you are un-Rivendell etc... I could see how one might come up with that interpretation upon reading some of Grant's writing, but Rivendell makes or has made bikes like the Legolas and the Roadeo that cater to different crowds than a Betty Foy, for example. I'm sure Grant will appreciate that for some people, some racer gear makes sense for them and their style of riding, and that they are still in the Riv family, but his message is centered around the most of you crowd, which is perfectly reasonable and makes sense from the Riv marketing perspective too :). Best, Toshi in Oakland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BM5P7daELPsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I enjoy reading Grant's copy - old Bridgestone cats are a hoot. Style is part of it, and opinions are the rest. After all that, keeping alive the timelessness of good bicycles is important. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/bulldog1935/Raleigh/araleigh003-1.jpg In 1985, my buddy bought a benchmade Mercian road racing frame languishing in a bike shop for peanuts. It was passe, it was orange, it couldn't sell against the tide of welded aluminium. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vqp2rDr6bYIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Thanks, Grant, for your graceful and open reply. As I wish you and your business well, I'm glad that you read my post, for whatever it may be worth. I'll shoot you an email off-list. On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:47:00 PM UTC-8, gep7...@gmail.com wrote: .. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/8mkRbeaCOpQJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
But what I find offensive (that may be too stronga word) are the notions that serious riders dress, ride bikes like, and train like racers. Agree with this completely. For the most part I ignore stuff about bikes and riding I don't cotton to. Life is too short. But this whole notion that one type of riding and rider is serious and the rest of us are what ... goofing around I guess really bugs me. Especially so when one considers the term is most often used by amateurs. I am sure to many bike racing is fun and to almost all it is a healthy way to pass time when not at work or attending to your personal obligations. Amateur racing in the end is a hobby like any other hobby. Certainly the fact one races bikes for fun does not make one more 'serious' about cycling than the person who uses a bike as primary transport, or cycles around the world, or collects old bikes, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/ZvcTO4Gb2i4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I ride a lot of city park trails, especially with my daughter, or there's a 26-mile-round paved trail that I hit a lot just for a weekly aerobic ride if no place else comes to mind. We see a lot of the same lycra guys there, and many of them are smug if not condescending about upright bikes and baggy clothes. They don't pass me, though. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:55:36 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: But what I find offensive (that may be too stronga word) are the notions that serious riders dress, ride bikes like, and train like racers. Agree with this completely. For the most part I ignore stuff about bikes and riding I don't cotton to. Life is too short. But this whole notion that one type of riding and rider is serious and the rest of us are what ... goofing around I guess really bugs me. Especially so when one considers the term is most often used by amateurs. I am sure to many bike racing is fun and to almost all it is a healthy way to pass time when not at work or attending to your personal obligations. Amateur racing in the end is a hobby like any other hobby. Certainly the fact one races bikes for fun does not make one more 'serious' about cycling than the person who uses a bike as primary transport, or cycles around the world, or collects old bikes, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Fv43Yagkoh8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I used to think it mattered who I passed and who passed me. I don't think that anymore. I ring my bell hello at all of them. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:43:35 PM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: I ride a lot of city park trails, especially with my daughter, or there's a 26-mile-round paved trail that I hit a lot just for a weekly aerobic ride if no place else comes to mind. We see a lot of the same lycra guys there, and many of them are smug if not condescending about upright bikes and baggy clothes. They don't pass me, though. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:55:36 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: But what I find offensive (that may be too stronga word) are the notions that serious riders dress, ride bikes like, and train like racers. Agree with this completely. For the most part I ignore stuff about bikes and riding I don't cotton to. Life is too short. But this whole notion that one type of riding and rider is serious and the rest of us are what ... goofing around I guess really bugs me. Especially so when one considers the term is most often used by amateurs. I am sure to many bike racing is fun and to almost all it is a healthy way to pass time when not at work or attending to your personal obligations. Amateur racing in the end is a hobby like any other hobby. Certainly the fact one races bikes for fun does not make one more 'serious' about cycling than the person who uses a bike as primary transport, or cycles around the world, or collects old bikes, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yW1KF1GgMtkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Thanks Patrick Moore for speaking my mind. I do not have one cycling friend that agrees on all the nuances that complicates the category that is bicycle riding. But we are still friends. I read Grant's cycling musings and he sounds like one of my guys who has figured things out in his own way. I really can't see why that can be offensive. My one complaint about Grant's writing: do more of it! On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:59:09 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: I tried to stay away from this thread, but this post makes me speak. I haven't read the book, but I've read most of what Grant has written since 1994, and my take on his opinions and style is that, if anyone is offended by what GP says, he or she deserves to be offended. There's not an offensive word in anything I've seen of his writing; the problems are in the readers. Get a goddam life! I disagree with a lot of what GP says and likes, but in no way is there any possible way for a reasonable person to be offended by it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/xncZsnyqrSgJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
and William, in the post you replied to, I used the word I twice in 200 words - you used it 4 times in 80 words - think about it. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:55:36 PM UTC-6, William wrote: I used to think it mattered who I passed and who passed me. I don't think that anymore. I ring my bell hello at all of them. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:43:35 PM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: I ride a lot of city park trails, especially with my daughter, or there's a 26-mile-round paved trail that I hit a lot just for a weekly aerobic ride if no place else comes to mind. We see a lot of the same lycra guys there, and many of them are smug if not condescending about upright bikes and baggy clothes. They don't pass me, though. On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 4:55:36 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: But what I find offensive (that may be too stronga word) are the notions that serious riders dress, ride bikes like, and train like racers. Agree with this completely. For the most part I ignore stuff about bikes and riding I don't cotton to. Life is too short. But this whole notion that one type of riding and rider is serious and the rest of us are what ... goofing around I guess really bugs me. Especially so when one considers the term is most often used by amateurs. I am sure to many bike racing is fun and to almost all it is a healthy way to pass time when not at work or attending to your personal obligations. Amateur racing in the end is a hobby like any other hobby. Certainly the fact one races bikes for fun does not make one more 'serious' about cycling than the person who uses a bike as primary transport, or cycles around the world, or collects old bikes, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jrYeIXdPcmwJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Grant: If you publish stuff, someone, somewhere, will be offended. Guaranteed. Don't be sorry. The other side of balance beam is that you give voice to a lot of ideas / opinions / thoughts that bubble around in a lot of our heads but never make it into print. I don't agree with everything you've written but always enjoy reading your articles. FWIW, my copy of Just Ride was the on-board read of choice for a van load of bicycle tourists between So Cal the Canadian border last summer. The bike load as everything from an old steel MTB to CF racing bikes, plus my Atlantis a LHT. Even some of the racy people commented hey, this guy has some good ideas. You're doing a tremendous amount of good. Keep writing I'll keep reading. dougP On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:47:00 PM UTC-8, gep7...@gmail.com wrote: I never TRY to offend people, but it sometimes happens and I'm always sorry for it. My opinions about bikes are about bikes, and not the people who ride them, but of course---I'm this way myself-I tend to take equipment-comments personally. When I set out to do the Reader--and catalogues and JR--always up front among my concerns is to not attack people, but anything goes on the bikes or parts. But even so, I try to tread lightly while talking straight about it, and if I were really good, I'd be able to pull it off better than I do. I knew (and said this exactly in the into to JR) that many would find the book offensive, or might feel threatened by it, in some way. But what I find offensive (that may be too stronga word) are the notions that serious riders dress, ride bikes like, and train like racers. I know not every non-racer does that, but it is common enough to almost be invevitable--in the absence of a good argument for doing otherwise. Anyway, PB, I'd be happy to send you a copy of JR free. It's only 34,000 words. You might agree with 27,000 of em! Best, Grant On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:44:27 PM UTC-8, pb wrote: I do not have a dog in this hunt, I really don't care one way or the other, and I didn't read the book, but I will note the following: - The story of George is interesting (click through the photo to read about him). The guy rides a bike, and I suspect that Grant would enjoy meeting him. - Grant managed to offend me at some point in most issues of the Reader. Over the years, RBW lost a good amount of my discretionary spending as a result of various things I read in the Reader. I was baffled and confused by positions he took, and comments he made, which seemed snarky to me -- earnestly snarky, determinedly snarky, unecessarily snarky, rather than good-humored, witty observations. I was a guy with a dozen bikes in the garage, in a wide variety of flavors, all of them expensive, all of them with lots of miles on them, some of them very racy, some of them lugged and Rivvish, virtually all of them subject to ongoing replacement (in other words, each of those hooks was potentially a business opportunity for RBW), and I had the means to be able to buy the products Grant was offering... and he repeatedly told me that I was clueless about my almost lifelong avocation. I gather George had a reaction to Just Ride which was along the same lines. I recovered from my reactions to the Reader a long time ago. Water over the dam. Shrug. I own and have owned Rivs. Yes, I appreciate Grant's positive aspects, and contributions, while shaking my head at some of his idiosyncracies as well as at what I think are poor business decisions -- hey, none of my business except that someone needs to finally tell him that he tends to build top tubes that are too long (and too numerous, but I digress). I'm not surprised that someone else might respond to aspects of Grant's writing as I did. An analogy to Grant's style of communication that occurs to me is a soccer coach who tells kids that they should play soccer instead of football because football is stupid, and people who play football are fools who have been tricked. Wouldn't it be more productive -- and overall much more positive -- to invite the kids to play soccer because it's a great game and they're going to have a blast? Some of them might even wind up playing both football and soccer! How cool would that be? (No, I'm not a football fan. It's an analogy. Substitute baseball or swimming or cycling or video games in place of football, if you don't like the football analogy.) I'm grateful that, unlike George, when I am reading for pleasure, I have learned to toss something aside if I don't enjoy it. You'll never find a review on Amazon from me that reports, I hated this book from the first page, and steadily hated it more and more until finishing page 742. (Or worse, a one-star review that says something like, I have tried this in the past, I have always hated it, and yes, I still hate it
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Of course I use first person singular a lot. I'm smug! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/XKxfLafMDdUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I had a lot of concrete ideas about bikes and cycling before I opened a neighborhood bike shop 7 years ago. All my customers have their own ideas about how bikes should be or how best to ride bikes, and all of them are correct! Sometimes, though, they need a little encouragement. For example, it's very common for newbie cyclists to experience clipless pedal peer pressure. Many seem relieved when I te them there's no need to go cli -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/n2gJn1tHJrkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Continuing from above... when I tell them there's no need to go clipless! I don't use clipless pedals. This, of course, does not mean I discourage clipless lovers from loving clipless. I just defuse the peer pressure for people who clearly aren't ready for such an advancement in their bike experience. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/yXq3chqExC0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Not much of a book review. On Monday, December 10, 2012 10:29:09 AM UTC-6, numbnuts wrote: http://georgethecyclist.blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-petersons-racing-acumen.html Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qhbvFSr832QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
old George may want to skin a few teeth, but I don't think his audience is big enough to affect Grant Petersen's audience one way or another. On Monday, December 10, 2012 10:29:09 AM UTC-6, numbnuts wrote: http://georgethecyclist.blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-petersons-racing-acumen.html Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Rm6PUI1dD_UJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I do not have a dog in this hunt, I really don't care one way or the other, and I didn't read the book, but I will note the following: - The story of George is interesting (click through the photo to read about him). The guy rides a bike, and I suspect that Grant would enjoy meeting him. - Grant managed to offend me at some point in most issues of the Reader. Over the years, RBW lost a good amount of my discretionary spending as a result of various things I read in the Reader. I was baffled and confused by positions he took, and comments he made, which seemed snarky to me -- earnestly snarky, determinedly snarky, unecessarily snarky, rather than good-humored, witty observations. I was a guy with a dozen bikes in the garage, in a wide variety of flavors, all of them expensive, all of them with lots of miles on them, some of them very racy, some of them lugged and Rivvish, virtually all of them subject to ongoing replacement (in other words, each of those hooks was potentially a business opportunity for RBW), and I had the means to be able to buy the products Grant was offering... and he repeatedly told me that I was clueless about my almost lifelong avocation. I gather George had a reaction to Just Ride which was along the same lines. I recovered from my reactions to the Reader a long time ago. Water over the dam. Shrug. I own and have owned Rivs. Yes, I appreciate Grant's positive aspects, and contributions, while shaking my head at some of his idiosyncracies as well as at what I think are poor business decisions -- hey, none of my business except that someone needs to finally tell him that he tends to build top tubes that are too long (and too numerous, but I digress). I'm not surprised that someone else might respond to aspects of Grant's writing as I did. An analogy to Grant's style of communication that occurs to me is a soccer coach who tells kids that they should play soccer instead of football because football is stupid, and people who play football are fools who have been tricked. Wouldn't it be more productive -- and overall much more positive -- to invite the kids to play soccer because it's a great game and they're going to have a blast? Some of them might even wind up playing both football and soccer! How cool would that be? (No, I'm not a football fan. It's an analogy. Substitute baseball or swimming or cycling or video games in place of football, if you don't like the football analogy.) I'm grateful that, unlike George, when I am reading for pleasure, I have learned to toss something aside if I don't enjoy it. You'll never find a review on Amazon from me that reports, I hated this book from the first page, and steadily hated it more and more until finishing page 742. (Or worse, a one-star review that says something like, I have tried this in the past, I have always hated it, and yes, I still hate it and it still sucks, and it gets one star!) On the other hand, occasonally I will go back and check on something that I haven't liked in the past. BSNY is an example of the latter, and references to him spurred me to wander over that direction. Today's column confirms for me that, unless I take up pot smoking on a Rastafarian scale, his writing will likely continue to hold zero interest for me, although I did note his admission that his sense of humor stopped evolving in the 8th grade, which helps to explain a lot of things. And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming. :-) pb On Monday, December 10, 2012 8:29:09 AM UTC-8, numbnuts wrote: http://georgethecyclist.blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-petersons-racing-acumen.html Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/T5D88Y26jvMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I have read a lot in my life and never has someone who made stuff I wanted offended me so much as to make me stop buying it outside of racism, hate speak and that kind of thing. I think the issue a lot of people have with Grant is they imagine their is some equivalency in the strength and power of an argument between one guy in southern California and a billion dollar bike business, which there is not. I admire someone like Grant who isn't afraid of losing the sales of a few disgruntled customers so he can actually speak his mind. In our watered down corporate culture it is refreshing to have someone stick their neck out for what they believe in. Oh and I think its pretty offensive to associate people who read BSNYC with drug addicts. I read his blog daily and I am not a drug addict, as I suspect is true for most of his readers. Also offensive is the insinuation that all Rastafarians are drug addicts, a friend and fellow parent is Rastafarian and has never done drugs in his life. See, so your musings are much more offensive than BSNYC calling carbon crapon or Grant criticising 22s. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 3:44 PM, pb pbridge...@aol.com wrote: I do not have a dog in this hunt, I really don't care one way or the other, and I didn't read the book, but I will note the following: - The story of George is interesting (click through the photo to read about him). The guy rides a bike, and I suspect that Grant would enjoy meeting him. - Grant managed to offend me at some point in most issues of the Reader. Over the years, RBW lost a good amount of my discretionary spending as a result of various things I read in the Reader. I was baffled and confused by positions he took, and comments he made, which seemed snarky to me -- earnestly snarky, determinedly snarky, unecessarily snarky, rather than good-humored, witty observations. I was a guy with a dozen bikes in the garage, in a wide variety of flavors, all of them expensive, all of them with lots of miles on them, some of them very racy, some of them lugged and Rivvish, virtually all of them subject to ongoing replacement (in other words, each of those hooks was potentially a business opportunity for RBW), and I had the means to be able to buy the products Grant was offering... and he repeatedly told me that I was clueless about my almost lifelong avocation. I gather George had a reaction to Just Ride which was along the same lines. I recovered from my reactions to the Reader a long time ago. Water over the dam. Shrug. I own and have owned Rivs. Yes, I appreciate Grant's positive aspects, and contributions, while shaking my head at some of his idiosyncracies as well as at what I think are poor business decisions -- hey, none of my business except that someone needs to finally tell him that he tends to build top tubes that are too long (and too numerous, but I digress). I'm not surprised that someone else might respond to aspects of Grant's writing as I did. An analogy to Grant's style of communication that occurs to me is a soccer coach who tells kids that they should play soccer instead of football because football is stupid, and people who play football are fools who have been tricked. Wouldn't it be more productive -- and overall much more positive -- to invite the kids to play soccer because it's a great game and they're going to have a blast? Some of them might even wind up playing both football and soccer! How cool would that be? (No, I'm not a football fan. It's an analogy. Substitute baseball or swimming or cycling or video games in place of football, if you don't like the football analogy.) I'm grateful that, unlike George, when I am reading for pleasure, I have learned to toss something aside if I don't enjoy it. You'll never find a review on Amazon from me that reports, I hated this book from the first page, and steadily hated it more and more until finishing page 742. (Or worse, a one-star review that says something like, I have tried this in the past, I have always hated it, and yes, I still hate it and it still sucks, and it gets one star!) On the other hand, occasonally I will go back and check on something that I haven't liked in the past. BSNY is an example of the latter, and references to him spurred me to wander over that direction. Today's column confirms for me that, unless I take up pot smoking on a Rastafarian scale, his writing will likely continue to hold zero interest for me, although I did note his admission that his sense of humor stopped evolving in the 8th grade, which helps to explain a lot of things. And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming. :-) pb On Monday, December 10, 2012 8:29:09 AM UTC-8, numbnuts wrote: http://georgethecyclist.**blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-** petersons-racing-acumen.htmlhttp://georgethecyclist.blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-petersons-racing-acumen.html Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
In my opinion, George's bike is 4cm (or so) too small for him. On Monday, December 10, 2012 8:29:09 AM UTC-8, numbnuts wrote: http://georgethecyclist.blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-petersons-racing-acumen.html Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/bVcfQBg752QJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I find George kinda interesting His sorta review of the book is just as quirky as he is. He is still a bike messenger at my age! ( 55) and he does a lot of nice long bike tours too. His obsession with bike racing lore is really out there. While I'm a big fan or professional cycling and have followed every TDF since I was a teenager I had no idea how many races Merckx won and don't really care that was a long time ago. But his opinion falls inline with the opinion of lot of people I've come across, either you are a fan of Grant's or not, there is not much room in between. ~mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/dC25g5704DUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I never TRY to offend people, but it sometimes happens and I'm always sorry for it. My opinions about bikes are about bikes, and not the people who ride them, but of course---I'm this way myself-I tend to take equipment-comments personally. When I set out to do the Reader--and catalogues and JR--always up front among my concerns is to not attack people, but anything goes on the bikes or parts. But even so, I try to tread lightly while talking straight about it, and if I were really good, I'd be able to pull it off better than I do. I knew (and said this exactly in the into to JR) that many would find the book offensive, or might feel threatened by it, in some way. But what I find offensive (that may be too stronga word) are the notions that serious riders dress, ride bikes like, and train like racers. I know not every non-racer does that, but it is common enough to almost be invevitable--in the absence of a good argument for doing otherwise. Anyway, PB, I'd be happy to send you a copy of JR free. It's only 34,000 words. You might agree with 27,000 of em! Best, Grant On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:44:27 PM UTC-8, pb wrote: I do not have a dog in this hunt, I really don't care one way or the other, and I didn't read the book, but I will note the following: - The story of George is interesting (click through the photo to read about him). The guy rides a bike, and I suspect that Grant would enjoy meeting him. - Grant managed to offend me at some point in most issues of the Reader. Over the years, RBW lost a good amount of my discretionary spending as a result of various things I read in the Reader. I was baffled and confused by positions he took, and comments he made, which seemed snarky to me -- earnestly snarky, determinedly snarky, unecessarily snarky, rather than good-humored, witty observations. I was a guy with a dozen bikes in the garage, in a wide variety of flavors, all of them expensive, all of them with lots of miles on them, some of them very racy, some of them lugged and Rivvish, virtually all of them subject to ongoing replacement (in other words, each of those hooks was potentially a business opportunity for RBW), and I had the means to be able to buy the products Grant was offering... and he repeatedly told me that I was clueless about my almost lifelong avocation. I gather George had a reaction to Just Ride which was along the same lines. I recovered from my reactions to the Reader a long time ago. Water over the dam. Shrug. I own and have owned Rivs. Yes, I appreciate Grant's positive aspects, and contributions, while shaking my head at some of his idiosyncracies as well as at what I think are poor business decisions -- hey, none of my business except that someone needs to finally tell him that he tends to build top tubes that are too long (and too numerous, but I digress). I'm not surprised that someone else might respond to aspects of Grant's writing as I did. An analogy to Grant's style of communication that occurs to me is a soccer coach who tells kids that they should play soccer instead of football because football is stupid, and people who play football are fools who have been tricked. Wouldn't it be more productive -- and overall much more positive -- to invite the kids to play soccer because it's a great game and they're going to have a blast? Some of them might even wind up playing both football and soccer! How cool would that be? (No, I'm not a football fan. It's an analogy. Substitute baseball or swimming or cycling or video games in place of football, if you don't like the football analogy.) I'm grateful that, unlike George, when I am reading for pleasure, I have learned to toss something aside if I don't enjoy it. You'll never find a review on Amazon from me that reports, I hated this book from the first page, and steadily hated it more and more until finishing page 742. (Or worse, a one-star review that says something like, I have tried this in the past, I have always hated it, and yes, I still hate it and it still sucks, and it gets one star!) On the other hand, occasonally I will go back and check on something that I haven't liked in the past. BSNY is an example of the latter, and references to him spurred me to wander over that direction. Today's column confirms for me that, unless I take up pot smoking on a Rastafarian scale, his writing will likely continue to hold zero interest for me, although I did note his admission that his sense of humor stopped evolving in the 8th grade, which helps to explain a lot of things. And now, back to your regularly scheduled programming. :-) pb On Monday, December 10, 2012 8:29:09 AM UTC-8, numbnuts wrote: http://georgethecyclist.blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-petersons-racing-acumen.html Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I tried to stay away from this thread, but this post makes me speak. I haven't read the book, but I've read most of what Grant has written since 1994, and my take on his opinions and style is that, if anyone is offended by what GP says, he or she deserves to be offended. There's not an offensive word in anything I've seen of his writing; the problems are in the readers. Get a goddam life! I disagree with a lot of what GP says and likes, but in no way is there any possible way for a reasonable person to be offended by it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
I definitely agree with the message Grant is promoting, which basically challenges/discards the turn-offs of cycling that prevent more people from getting out there and riding. Don't not-ride because you think you have to wear special clothes to ride. Don't not-ride because you think you need to have an uncomfortable racer bike to ride. Don't not-ride because you think you need to suffer to get a good ride and you don't want to suffer today. etc... One danger I could see, perhaps one could take offense is that if you do wear special clothes to ride, then you are un-Rivendell. If you do like clipless pedals, then you are un-Rivendell etc... I could see how one might come up with that interpretation upon reading some of Grant's writing, but Rivendell makes or has made bikes like the Legolas and the Roadeo that cater to different crowds than a Betty Foy, for example. I'm sure Grant will appreciate that for some people, some racer gear makes sense for them and their style of riding, and that they are still in the Riv family, but his message is centered around the most of you crowd, which is perfectly reasonable and makes sense from the Riv marketing perspective too :). Best, Toshi in Oakland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
Is this part of the whole paleo thing? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/-Nq8UmdUjngJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
For starters, he mis-spells Grant's last name throughout the review. George's photo (I assume it's George) is taken on bike loaded down for a tour, George wearing long pants to boot. He then gets into details about the TdF / BORAF history? George is a card carrying grump in his way. Yea, a book review months after publication is a bit lame. Maybe a slow day at the races. dougP On Monday, December 10, 2012 8:29:09 AM UTC-8, numbnuts wrote: http://georgethecyclist.blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-petersons-racing-acumen.html Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/x1-YM-7qOLMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another perspective, by George!
He never mentioned much about the actual contents of the book.only picking up on the TDF stuff and picking on GP's recollection of Eddie's exact stats, spelling of derailleur (Sheldon's way) and a incomplete recollection of a early TDF event which wasn't the intent (I don't believe) of its inclusion (complete historical recollection of the facts)..regardless, he didn't mention the good stuff, bike fit, comfort, safety, construction, exercise benefit or lack of in detail, basically everything Grant writes about that might help people want to actually ride a bicycle as a normal person, in a normal way without suiting up and pretending to be a road racer. On Monday, December 10, 2012 8:29:09 AM UTC-8, numbnuts wrote: http://georgethecyclist.blogspot.com/2012/12/grant-petersons-racing-acumen.html Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/hdml3r8rcS4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
