[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Jan 27, 8:44 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I guess that is the point I read the article was making.doing damage rather than promoting health. no doubt. common sense tells me that working any muscle, including the heart, as much as the athletes in the study do could potentially lead to some damage. my point is that the level of intensity being discussed in the study is not remotely relevant to most people. keep in mind that the article (and other studies) recommend interval and high intensity workouts - this is because one can get a lot fitness benefit in a shorter amount of time (although there's a lot more to it that). but there's a huge difference between 20min sub-threshold workout for joe average cyclist and a sub-threshold marathon effort from jill elite runner. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
I remember Grant writing about some kind of full body jumping jacks. Tried them for a while and wouldn't mind trying again. Anyone remember the name or link? Jay On Jan 28, 4:14 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 27, 8:44 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I guess that is the point I read the article was making.doing damage rather than promoting health. no doubt. common sense tells me that working any muscle, including the heart, as much as the athletes in the study do could potentially lead to some damage. my point is that the level of intensity being discussed in the study is not remotely relevant to most people. keep in mind that the article (and other studies) recommend interval and high intensity workouts - this is because one can get a lot fitness benefit in a shorter amount of time (although there's a lot more to it that). but there's a huge difference between 20min sub-threshold workout for joe average cyclist and a sub-threshold marathon effort from jill elite runner. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
I've used: http://www.shovelglove.com/ -- must take it up again, tho' I stuck with it longer than with anything else except pushups. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: I remember Grant writing about some kind of full body jumping jacks. Tried them for a while and wouldn't mind trying again. Anyone remember the name or link? Jay On Jan 28, 4:14 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 27, 8:44 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I guess that is the point I read the article was making.doing damage rather than promoting health. no doubt. common sense tells me that working any muscle, including the heart, as much as the athletes in the study do could potentially lead to some damage. my point is that the level of intensity being discussed in the study is not remotely relevant to most people. keep in mind that the article (and other studies) recommend interval and high intensity workouts - this is because one can get a lot fitness benefit in a shorter amount of time (although there's a lot more to it that). but there's a huge difference between 20min sub-threshold workout for joe average cyclist and a sub-threshold marathon effort from jill elite runner. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
He was probably talking about Burpees. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Dq_NCzj8M On Jan 28, 8:08 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: I remember Grant writing about some kind of full body jumping jacks. Tried them for a while and wouldn't mind trying again. Anyone remember the name or link? Jay On Jan 28, 4:14 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 27, 8:44 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I guess that is the point I read the article was making.doing damage rather than promoting health. no doubt. common sense tells me that working any muscle, including the heart, as much as the athletes in the study do could potentially lead to some damage. my point is that the level of intensity being discussed in the study is not remotely relevant to most people. keep in mind that the article (and other studies) recommend interval and high intensity workouts - this is because one can get a lot fitness benefit in a shorter amount of time (although there's a lot more to it that). but there's a huge difference between 20min sub-threshold workout for joe average cyclist and a sub-threshold marathon effort from jill elite runner. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
That's the one. Thanks. On Jan 28, 6:25 pm, Rambouilleting Utahn glam...@gmail.com wrote: He was probably talking about Burpees. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Dq_NCzj8M On Jan 28, 8:08 am, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote: I remember Grant writing about some kind of full body jumping jacks. Tried them for a while and wouldn't mind trying again. Anyone remember the name or link? Jay On Jan 28, 4:14 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 27, 8:44 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: I guess that is the point I read the article was making.doing damage rather than promoting health. no doubt. common sense tells me that working any muscle, including the heart, as much as the athletes in the study do could potentially lead to some damage. my point is that the level of intensity being discussed in the study is not remotely relevant to most people. keep in mind that the article (and other studies) recommend interval and high intensity workouts - this is because one can get a lot fitness benefit in a shorter amount of time (although there's a lot more to it that). but there's a huge difference between 20min sub-threshold workout for joe average cyclist and a sub-threshold marathon effort from jill elite runner. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Jan 25, 6:24 pm, Chris Lampe clampe1...@yahoo.com wrote: I recently got interested in Randonneuring as a very long-term riding goal and during my research I found a story a guy wrote about an event that included himself, Jan Heine and another guy. Jan ended the trip fine, the other guy had to be carried home and the author of the story ended up in the hospital. I hope that situation is an anomaly in the sport but it certainly made me lose interest. The event those three were riding was a unique event--a Cyclos Montagnards Challenge (http://cyclosmontagnards.org/WhatAreCM.html). It's not even something recognized by RUSA. Regular brevets, populaires, and permanents all over generous finish times so that someone moving along at a steady and constant pace can finish. With the club I ride with, OR Randonneurs, there are riders from across the spectrum. This will be my fifth year of randonneuring and I've never trained in the sense of doing preplanned workouts, intervals or even charting my build-up to events, I just ride my bike. I do usually taper off and don't ride so much in the late fall early winter but then just pick up the mileage riding longer and longer. It's been weird, after not really riding for 2 months I started 2012 with a 200k permanent on 01/02. That was great fun and I was surprised I finished it feeling so well. It got me all fired up about riding this year and since that ride I've done 2 other 100+ mile rides, the second one yesterday. I don't think I ever really pushed my heart rate, I just kept pedaling. At one point it started raining and I took shelter and ate a sandwich I brought with me. My main reason for doing the ride was to go check out some new roads and just spend time on my bike, something I love. If I were to limit myself to short rides I wouldn't see anything. I'd be stuck noodling around Multnomah County and wouldn't ever get to ride the road less travelled or see the things like the herd of elk that I saw yesterday. I don't drive so driving out to start rides further (farther?) outside the city limits isn't an option. I absolutely love randonneuring and what's it done for how I see cycling and the distances I can manage. To tell you the truth, a 100 mile ride really isn't that big a deal any more. Because of my work schedule I'm often off on weekdays while my wife is at work it's not difficult for me to find the time for a 6 to 10hr ride. I love the solitude and I love the way I feel on the bike, it's just not something that's replicated on shorter rides. I realize this type of riding isn't for everyone or that people simply don't have the time. I doubt I'll always have the time for it so I'm doing it now while I can. For anyone considering radonneuring don't be deterred by the comment that it's nothing more than racing. That's simply not true. While there are fast riders who blast off at the start, there are plenty of folks who just roll down the road chatting and enjoying each others company and the scenery. As people have said in the past, randonneuring is a big tent, there's room for everyone. That's not to say that it's without stress. My first 300k I overpacked and perseverated on the distance in the days building up to it but was pleasantly surprised how smoothly it went with good company, some breaks, and an easy pace. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
Even charity rides and organized centuries have a clock. On Jan 27, 7:01 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: It has a clock. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Jan 26, 11:22 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: The genetically superior folks just go faster but I think we can do the same damage exercising at our 85% zone too. There's an important distinction here - most folks can't or simply don't want to exercise at 85% of the max heart rate for very long, if at all. 85% is used as a general reference point for reaching one's anaerobic threshold (AT) - it can be lower or higher depending on fitness. Average fit athletes usually have an AT between 75-85%, well- trained athletes can be between 85-95%. Moreover, AT is pretty fluid - with training, it can be increased. When we sit around, it's lower. Even average athletes will notice the physiological changes as they become more fit - for instance, those hills early in the year that used to really take the breath away are somehow not as bad later in the year; that 30 min 3 mi run turns into 27mins; activity that used to be moderate/hard seems easier? The body adapts to exercise intensity and duration, and adapts in different ways given different intensities and duration. Getting fast is really just a matter of raising your AT so that you can work harder for longer - no superior genetics needed! Exercise physiology is science, but it's not rocket science. Improving fitness is pretty straightforward and results come pretty quick with structured training. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
Tommy Godwin is still alive (born 1920), fit and alert, and yet he did this: http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/531582/tommy-godwin-75-065-miles-in-a-year.html That's over 200 miles per day each day for a year!!! And on a lugged steel bike, which must have doubled his work!!! See him today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/audioslideshow/2012/jan/02/1948-london-olympics-cycling-audio-slideshow?fb=native Exception that proves the rule? Or the disproves it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
Whoops: they seem to be 2 different TGs ...? Doppelganger? On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Tommy Godwin is still alive (born 1920), fit and alert, and yet he did this: http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/531582/tommy-godwin-75-065-miles-in-a-year.html That's over 200 miles per day each day for a year!!! And on a lugged steel bike, which must have doubled his work!!! See him today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/audioslideshow/2012/jan/02/1948-london-olympics-cycling-audio-slideshow?fb=native Exception that proves the rule? Or the disproves it? -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Jan 27, 4:23 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Sound much like a race to you? I've done brevets that seemed more like a race than a lot of amateur category races. It also seems to me that the majority of people who participate in races are just out to have fun too. It's all about attitude. At the end of the day, it's just something to do and people will take a different approach to how they do it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 13:44 -0800, Patrick in VT wrote: On Jan 27, 4:23 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Sound much like a race to you? I've done brevets that seemed more like a race than a lot of amateur category races. It also seems to me that the majority of people who participate in races are just out to have fun too. It's all about attitude. At the end of the day, it's just something to do and people will take a different approach to how they do it. Maybe it depends on where you are. At the back of the pack, it doesn't feel anything like a race, in my experience. Can't say what things are like up front. On the other hand, I've seen people out for fun -- self described as shaved leg roadies by one I chatted with on the New Years Day ride -- riding around Hains Point in a peloton wearing their team kit looking a lot like what you see on TV in the Tour de France (and according to the guy I chatted with, replaying TdF videos in their mind when they're doing it). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Jan 27, 5:10 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: Maybe it depends on where you are. i think it's the same everywhere. There's always that guy/girl who takes things a little too seriously. turns people off. People are people, and again - everybody has a different approach, motivation, reason for doing something. That said, I do notice different vibes for sure - mountain biking has its own thing. so does road, cyclocross and rando ... it's pretty interesting moving in and out of the different disciplines and i definitely feel more comfortable in certain circles than others. by and large though, i see people having a lot of fun. it really does come down to attitude. At the back of the pack, it doesn't feel anything like a race, in my experience. mindset and expectations - the majority people who enter a race don't have any expectations of winning. just another way to have fun. like rando, simply finishing is an accomplishment and rewarding enough to want to keep doing it. the best example i can think of is the Portland Cross Crusade cyclocross race series. Huge numbers of people - all shapes, sizes, ages - turn out for these races. maybe race just has a bad connotation. i don't consider the running races i do races, but i guess they are. for me, it's just something else to do to have some fun. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
Some of the ways our bodies adapt is that they get damaged.. by too much 85% or more heart rate for sustained time periods. I guess that is the point I read the article was making.doing damage rather than promoting health. Being adapted to ever increasing efforts does make you more fit which doesn't apparently translate to increased healthin fact, it has killed some and caused many others who do that regularly to have heart problems. On Jan 27, 7:33 am, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 26, 11:22 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote: The genetically superior folks just go faster but I think we can do the same damage exercising at our 85% zone too. There's an important distinction here - most folks can't or simply don't want to exercise at 85% of the max heart rate for very long, if at all. 85% is used as a general reference point for reaching one's anaerobic threshold (AT) - it can be lower or higher depending on fitness. Average fit athletes usually have an AT between 75-85%, well- trained athletes can be between 85-95%. Moreover, AT is pretty fluid - with training, it can be increased. When we sit around, it's lower. Even average athletes will notice the physiological changes as they become more fit - for instance, those hills early in the year that used to really take the breath away are somehow not as bad later in the year; that 30 min 3 mi run turns into 27mins; activity that used to be moderate/hard seems easier? The body adapts to exercise intensity and duration, and adapts in different ways given different intensities and duration. Getting fast is really just a matter of raising your AT so that you can work harder for longer - no superior genetics needed! Exercise physiology is science, but it's not rocket science. Improving fitness is pretty straightforward and results come pretty quick with structured training. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Jan 27, 2012, at 7:44 PM, charlie wrote: Being adapted to ever increasing efforts does make you more fit which doesn't apparently translate to increased healthin fact, it has killed some and caused many others who do that regularly to have heart problems. I think you're right, that athletic fitness and health are not the same thing. To me, health not not merely the absence of disease but is the ability to self-repair and be resistant to disease. Health = resilience oversimplifies it but I think is a big part of it. People can be healthy and not be athletically fit or even exercise much. I know people who lived to 100 in good health without deliberately exercising beyond just living their daily lives. On the other hand, even people who aren't particularly healthy can be fit and athletic- and yet die from a heart attack, or get cancer, or have a stroke... Moderate exercise appears to have some protective effect on health compared to laying on the couch all the time, perhaps walking only from the couch to the car to the cubicle and back. Extreme exercise seems to have at least some risk of causing harm- the life expectancy of professional athletes tends to be lower than that of normal healthy people. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Jan 25, 9:06 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: But it takes really sick efforts to make one, well, really sick. that's a very good point. most folks will never approach the training levels of elite athletes - their training is very different than recreational athletes. most folks can't spend 10 minutes near their anaerobic threshold, let alone 3+ hours like elite endurance athletes commonly do. there's a world of difference here, and frankly it's just not something most of us need to be concerned about. I'd add that while high intensity (anaerobic) exercise definitely has it's benefits, it's a sure fire way to get injured if one doesn't prime the body for those efforts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Jan 26, 10:42 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Just a matter if time until we have extreme bowling. Another good point. What is driving people to the extreme, especially amateur athletes? Of course, it's all relative - but I think for many amateur/recreational athletes, once the sense of accomplishment that came from completing an endurance event (let's say a marathon) becomes stale or commonplace (now that it is fairly common to see people walking large parts of marathons), they want to push harder for a PR or go farther to regain that sense of accomplishment. I have no evidence of this, but the current boom with triathlon and extreme (in the Mt. Dew/X-games sense of the word) endurance events, like the Tough Mudder, seem to be a direct result of events like a marathon becoming too average. there's no cachet to it anymore. so they go bigger, and that's a slippery slope. it's really pretty ego- centric. like most things, i think there's a healthy balance. it's good to have goals. challenge ourselves a little, or even a lot. competing, even at the recreational/amateur level, can be a very motivating, healthy experience for people of all ages. I also think there is a misconception about training - the athlete the exercises with the intent to compete can be said to train, but it's just exercise. in other words, anybody who enjoys doing any kind of aerobic exercise for more than 30mins is training. we can't go out and enjoy a couple hours on our favorite roads without maintaining some aerobic fitness. and anybody who wants to improve their fitness - maybe be a little stronger on the hills or turn a 15mile ride into a 30mile ride - is training. competitive athletes just exercise a little differently. and i bet a lot people would be surprised at what a structured training program looks for a competitive amateur cyclist .. .. it's not killing yourself everyday or working so hard that you want to throw up. far from it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
I absolutely love riding randonees. Sure, it hurts, and sure negative thoughts creep into one's head - but that what makes them adventures. You meet your demons (at your own pace - within a generous time limit) and defeat them. Its hard to explain - I'm certainly not doing a good job at it. But one of the reasons I enjoy it is that I never train for randonneuring. Training is a great way to ruin something fun. If I can ride a century now and then, I can do a 200K. If I can do a 200K, then a 300K and 400K are totally possible (that's my limit so far). Its mostly about hanging on. Best of all, you get to spend a whole day on the bike. I've done randonees at a relatively relaxed pace, spending time at controls with coffee, soup, and usually good company. I've also tried to hustle. On those rides, I almost always go into limp-home mode at one time or another. Sensible gearing helps with that - and there's always, *always* a second, third, or fourth wind. All this being said, cyclotouring is by far my favorite kind of riding besides everyday wandering. It just takes a bit more time and money. Esteban San Diego, Calif. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Heavens, no! Go ahead and race. If you're concerned about extreme efforts, do what I often do and finish DFL. When I do this I see the beautiful absurdity of it all and end my evenings laughing out loud. Works every time. Beth On Jan 25, 9:01 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: Awww.. So does that me I can't start racing cyclocross now? I was looking forward on hellish training rides, that make me want to throw up... On Jan 25, 5:29 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma... I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that smacks of training, so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. blessings, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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I agree. I love to ride my bike, and I like long rides. When I'm out riding, sometimes someone asks whether I'm training for something. Training for something? I say. No. This is the thing, riding my bike. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: But one of the reasons I enjoy it is that I never train for randonneuring. Training is a great way to ruin something fun. If I can ride a century now and then, I can do a 200K. If I can do a 200K, then a 300K and 400K are totally possible (that's my limit so far). Its mostly about hanging on. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Jan 26, 12:39 pm, Lyle Bogart lylebog...@gmail.com wrote: In the research I've been looking at, one of the points left unclear to me is how much is too much. In certain of the studies, the subjects are elite road cyclist, ultra-runners, or elite nordic ski racers. In others, the subjects are referred to as long-time endurance exercisers which is, to me, a bit opaque, though contextually I take to mean on a par with recreational marathon runners. I'd like to see some clarification there too. elite level athletes are working at higher levels of intensity for longer durations than the vast majority of recreational athletes. and the amount and type of training it takes to run a sub 3 hour marathon is very different than what it takes the recreational runner to finish 6 hour marathon. again, there's just a world of difference between these two athletes and context is key. i'll be racing elite level cyclocross next year as a Cat 2, but i do not consider myself elite compared to those who are actually winning the races. there's yet another world - and I mean *world* - of difference between me and those athletes and I'm under no illusion of ever being able to close that gap for exactly the reasons being discussed here - health, balance, time, other interests, etc. anyway, how much is too much could probably be answered (generally, at least) by a performance threshold - i.e., if one wants to compete at the top levels of a given sport, they might be flirting with too much given the amount of training it takes to compete at that level. or put another way, i don't think the twice a year 6 hour marathoner needs to be concerned about cardiac damage. Chrissie Wellington (elite female triathlete) on the other hand? that's just unfathomable training and it's not inconceivable that training like that isn't the best for long term health. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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And this just in! Drunk to bed (Enobarbus, of course -- what, you don't know who he is???*) prolongs life. Seriously, although I continually shout that the only valid reason for cycling (beside transportation for the poor) is fun, I am only gradually crow-barring away the compulsion to make every ride a time trial. (Usually a slow motion time trial.) But things are looking up and it is good to have theoretical support. * Act I, Scene 2 The same. Another room. [Enter CHARMIAN, IRAS, ALEXAS, and a Soothsayer] Charmian. Lord Alexas, sweet Alexas, most any thing Alexas, almost most absolute Alexas, where's the soothsayer 80 that you praised so to the queen? O, that I knew this husband, which, you say, must charge his horns with garlands! Alexas. Soothsayer! Soothsayer. Your will?85 Charmian. Is this the man? Is't you, sir, that know things? Soothsayer. In nature's infinite book of secrecy A little I can read. Alexas. Show him your hand. [Enter DOMITIUS ENOBARBUS] Domitius Enobarus. Bring in the banquet quickly; wine enough Cleopatra's health to drink. Charmian. Good sir, give me good fortune. Soothsayer. I make not, but foresee. Charmian. Pray, then, foresee me one.95 Soothsayer. You shall be yet far fairer than you are. Charmian. He means in flesh. Iras. No, you shall paint when you are old. Charmian. Wrinkles forbid! Alexas. Vex not his prescience; be attentive.100 Charmian. Hush! Soothsayer. You shall be more beloving than beloved. Charmian. I had rather heat my liver with drinking. Alexas. Nay, hear him. Charmian. Good now, some excellent fortune! Let me be married 105 to three kings in a forenoon, and widow them all: let me have a child at fifty, to whom Herod of Jewry may do homage: find me to marry me with Octavius Caesar, and companion me with my mistress. Soothsayer. You shall outlive the lady whom you serve.110 Charmian. O excellent! I love long life better than figs. Soothsayer. You have seen and proved a fairer former fortune Than that which is to approach. Charmian. Then belike my children shall have no names: prithee, how many boys and wenches must I have?115 Soothsayer. If every of your wishes had a womb. And fertile every wish, a million. Charmian. Out, fool! I forgive thee for a witch. Alexas. You think none but your sheets are privy to your wishes. Charmian. Nay, come, tell Iras hers.120 Alexas. We'll know all our fortunes. Domitius Enobarus. Mine, and most of our fortunes, to-night, shall be—drunk to bed. Iras. There's a palm presages chastity, if nothing else. Charmian. E'en as the o'erflowing Nilus presageth famine.125 Iras. Go, you wild bedfellow, you cannot soothsay. Charmian. Nay, if an oily palm be not a fruitful prognostication, I cannot scratch mine ear. Prithee, tell her but a worky-day fortune. Soothsayer. Your fortunes are alike.130 Iras. But how, but how? give me particulars. Soothsayer. I have said. Iras. Am I not an inch of fortune better than she? Charmian. Well, if you were but an inch of fortune better than I, where would you choose it?135 Iras. Not in my husband's nose. Charmian. Our worser thoughts heavens mend! Alexas,—come, his fortune, his fortune! O, let him marry a woman that cannot go, sweet Isis, I beseech thee! and let her die too, and give him a worse! and let worst 140 follow worse, till the worst of all follow him laughing to his grave, fifty-fold a cuckold! Good Isis, hear me this prayer, though thou deny me a matter of more weight; good Isis, I beseech thee! Iras. Amen. Dear goddess, hear that prayer of the people! 145 for, as it is a heartbreaking to see a handsome man loose-wived, so it is a deadly sorrow to behold a foul knave uncuckolded: therefore, dear Isis, keep decorum, and fortune him accordingly! Charmian. Amen.150 Alexas. Lo, now, if it lay in their hands to make me a cuckold, they would make themselves whores, but they'ld do't! Domitius Enobarus. Hush! here comes Antony. Charmian. Not he; the queen. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:51 PM, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw headlines the last couple days that the risks of fried food were overstated and eating chocolate prevents bowel cancer. Things are looking up. Ryan On Jan 25, 5:29 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma... I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that smacks of training, so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. blessings, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
Validates the wisdom of Satchel Paige, who said, among other things, 'Avoid running at all times!' http://lawsoflife.co.uk/paiges-rules-for-living/ Andy On Jan 25, 5:29 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma... I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that smacks of training, so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. blessings, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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I'll add to this that even far-from-elite athletes can be hurt by overtraining. When I was, 4 times a week, riding the 16 miles each way between home and work, W-E across Albuquerque -- Central from Unser (actually entered Central at Atrisco) to Juan Tabo -- with some 6 or 7 miles of climbing, in under 60 minutes including stops (often on a fixed gear), and always with a load, I was also regularly on the verge of sinus and throat infections, not to mention chronic fatigue. It was fun to overtake and keep ahead of the Route 66 bus, though. Can't do that now, 10 years later (almost 57)! Note that it was about the same time that I was diagnosed with arrhythmia, tho' I don't know if the two were related. I did have a very low resting pulse. (I avoided beta blockers by a 18 month regimen of Chinese medicine (a quart a day of various, horrible, horrible witches-brew herbal potions -- dark, oily, scummy -- patent pills and accupuncture imposed by my ex who is a DOM as well as MD.) On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 25, 9:06 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: But it takes really sick efforts to make one, well, really sick. that's a very good point. most folks will never approach the training levels of elite athletes - their training is very different than recreational athletes. most folks can't spend 10 minutes near their anaerobic threshold, let alone 3+ hours like elite endurance athletes commonly do. there's a world of difference here, and frankly it's just not something most of us need to be concerned about. I'd add that while high intensity (anaerobic) exercise definitely has it's benefits, it's a sure fire way to get injured if one doesn't prime the body for those efforts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Jan 26, 12:39 pm, Lyle Bogart lylebog...@gmail.com wrote: In the research I've been looking at, one of the points left unclear to me is how much is too much. okay, so I read the abstract and related articles linked in the Peak Fitness article regarding the La Gerche study. To put extreme into context as we are discussing it, highly trained athletes are doing 3+ hour events and train for several hours a day (10+hours/week), resulting in workloads of 200–300 METs (metabolic equivalent of task) per week, which is 5–10 times greater than the exercise recommendations for preventing heart disease (I read that as recreational sporting - maybe 30mins/day at low intensity). MET is basically an index of the intensity of physical activities (not a very good one, because their is a lot variance based on individual physiology), but good enough for comparison's sake here. Not only that, but the intensity at which these highly trained athletes are performing during their events is off the charts are far as we are concerned - the athletes tested in the La Gerche study finished in the top 25% of their field. At that level, athletes are capable of working at 85-95% of the their max heart rate for long periods of time. We're not talking recreational/amateur stuff here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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On Jan 26, 4:57 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'll add to this that even far-from-elite athletes can be hurt by overtraining. overtraining as you describe it is very different than the training described in the study. Proper training includes rest and recovery. The average athlete who does structured training might only do 2 hard workouts a week because to dig deep and get the desired physiological adaptations from those workouts, one has to be well rested. Going too hard too often leads to overtraining and exactly what you experienced - it's a major setback and can actually be kind of tricky to bounce back from. Interestingly enough, your own pulse can provide feedback injury, illness, incomplete recovery, etc. it's also a great way to measure and monitor improvements in fitness, which is why so many folks use heart-rate monitors to train - both during exercise and recovery. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
Yes, I know: I meant to say that even at a far lower level of talent and exertion, you can hurt yourself by overdoing it. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 26, 4:57 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'll add to this that even far-from-elite athletes can be hurt by overtraining. overtraining as you describe it is very different than the training described in the study. Proper training includes rest and recovery. The average athlete who does structured training might only do 2 hard workouts a week because to dig deep and get the desired physiological adaptations from those workouts, one has to be well rested. Going too hard too often leads to overtraining and exactly what you experienced - it's a major setback and can actually be kind of tricky to bounce back from. Interestingly enough, your own pulse can provide feedback injury, illness, incomplete recovery, etc. it's also a great way to measure and monitor improvements in fitness, which is why so many folks use heart-rate monitors to train - both during exercise and recovery. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
I'm thinking the 'walking pace' level can be sustained for hours (safely).the one that gets you in the fat burning zone. Higher intensity efforts are for intervals. Shorter, higher intensity rides, two hours or less are better for you (for health) in my opinion. The two hour limit at higher intensity is just about right since our muscles are depleted by then anyway. I'll bet quite a few of us have or are 'overtraining' on a regular basis and I believe this can set us average people up for heart problems or overuse injuries also. The genetically superior folks just go faster but I think we can do the same damage exercising at our 85% zone too. I've never enjoyed rides that lasted more than about 4 hours no matter how much or how little effort I put out. My @$$, hands or feet always seem to give me adequate clues that I am overdoing it. Exercise junkie was a common term I heard over the years to describe someone addicted to doing too much.too often we forget the law of diminishing returns. On Jan 26, 4:53 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I know: I meant to say that even at a far lower level of talent and exertion, you can hurt yourself by overdoing it. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 26, 4:57 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'll add to this that even far-from-elite athletes can be hurt by overtraining. overtraining as you describe it is very different than the training described in the study. Proper training includes rest and recovery. The average athlete who does structured training might only do 2 hard workouts a week because to dig deep and get the desired physiological adaptations from those workouts, one has to be well rested. Going too hard too often leads to overtraining and exactly what you experienced - it's a major setback and can actually be kind of tricky to bounce back from. Interestingly enough, your own pulse can provide feedback injury, illness, incomplete recovery, etc. it's also a great way to measure and monitor improvements in fitness, which is why so many folks use heart-rate monitors to train - both during exercise and recovery. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRWhttp://resumespecialties.com/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
I recently got interested in Randonneuring as a very long-term riding goal and during my research I found a story a guy wrote about an event that included himself, Jan Heine and another guy. Jan ended the trip fine, the other guy had to be carried home and the author of the story ended up in the hospital. I hope that situation is an anomaly in the sport but it certainly made me lose interest. My preferred ride tends to be an interval workout. I tend to ride hard, ride easy to recover, ride hard, ride easy to recover, etc.., etc The upper end of the timing is a bit less than an hour. I once bought a road bike and tried longer distance at a steady pace but didn't much care for it. I think what I'm doing is probably more healthy and is certainly more fun for me. On Jan 25, 8:06 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: I quit racing in '92-having to pay to wait around all day just sucked. But I like training , I like competing against self in a strictly selfish way. I do send my times to people, but only because they've asked me to. I've been shocked at how many elite triathletes end up with pacemakers and assorted other ailments related to the heart. But it takes really sick efforts to make one, well, really sick. In between we have Randonneuring. Which is nothing more than racing when you come down to it. I love Jan Heine, and am inspired by his travels. But if/when I ever ride across France, it ain't gonna be at night. If I climb the Tourmalet, it's gonna be in bright sunshine, not just a check on a list as part of some private-parts measurement story for my friends. Cyclotouring to me, and as it applies to this group, seems to strike the right balance. Travel, good health, good scenery, good food, hopefully shared with like-minded good people. I 'm not against the extremes, but as a way of lifeI don't get it. I have an ongoing dialogue with Jill Homer on this very topic. Sorry to ramble, but I think about it quite a bit. RGZ On Wednesday, January 25, 2012, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: Super neat and thanks, Michael. I love this stuff...as you've supposed. I'll finish reading it tonite. Thank you, really, for sending.. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma... I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that smacks of training, so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. blessings, michael -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Works www.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
Can't really assess Mercola's claims concerning exercise physiology since it's not my field, but I encourage y'all to take his articles with a grain of salt. Mercola is well known in scientific circles as a hack, marketer and opportunist who likes to play fast and loose with the facts. Mercola's rants against the use of fluoride in dentistry relegate him to the lunatic fringe on that subject. He enjoys virtually zero credibility in the scientific community. On Jan 25, 7:29 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma... I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that smacks of training, so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. blessings, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
I don't have anything to add one way or the other to the discussion but I would like to point out that 40 people is not a statistically significant sample size. I understand the OP was using the link to connect back to a topic previously discussed. I think it is important to remember that just because one has read it doesn't make it true. I think it is great that a group cyclists of are discussing ways to have a healthy life and questioning the idea that more always better. JL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
The group I ride with is mostly north of 60 in age. Oddly enough (given the gray hair or lack of of hair) we get asked So what are you guys training for?. Our now-stock anwer is Life. Works every time, and has the added advantage of being true. To properly frame that, imagine a half dozen geezers sitting around a table having coffee, with a mixed bag of touring bikes (Atlantis, REI Safari, etc., plus one custom Lighthouse an ancient MTB) in the background. No CF; some lycra, some cargo shorts, some sandals. As one of (the late) Richard Pryor's characters said, You don't get old by being dumb. dougP On Jan 26, 10:54 am, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. I love to ride my bike, and I like long rides. When I'm out riding, sometimes someone asks whether I'm training for something. Training for something? I say. No. This is the thing, riding my bike. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: But one of the reasons I enjoy it is that I never train for randonneuring. Training is a great way to ruin something fun. If I can ride a century now and then, I can do a 200K. If I can do a 200K, then a 300K and 400K are totally possible (that's my limit so far). Its mostly about hanging on. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
Super neat and thanks, Michael. I love this stuff...as you've supposed. I'll finish reading it tonite. Thank you, really, for sending.. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-may-damage-heart.aspx?e_cid=20120125_DNL_art_1 I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that smacks of training, so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. blessings, michael -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Works www.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
On Jan 25, 6:06 pm, robert zeidler I love Jan Heine, and am inspired by his travels. But if/when I ever ride across France, it ain't gonna be at night. If I climb the Tourmalet, it's gonna be in bright sunshine, A friend teaches a basic cycling course, and one of his lessons is If you're not having fun, you're doing something wrong. Jan seemed to have a lot of fun on that Pyrennes ride he wrote about, but recall that there were references about times where his inner cyclotourist and his randonneur argued, one wanting to explore the other wanting to make time. Not an uncommon tension for any cyclist. I'm always glad to read stories by people who've done exceptional rides like that. But I'm with Robert on doing scenic rides when you can see something. And take photos. dougP On Jan 25, 6:06 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: I quit racing in '92-having to pay to wait around all day just sucked. But I like training , I like competing against self in a strictly selfish way. I do send my times to people, but only because they've asked me to. I've been shocked at how many elite triathletes end up with pacemakers and assorted other ailments related to the heart. But it takes really sick efforts to make one, well, really sick. In between we have Randonneuring. Which is nothing more than racing when you come down to it. I love Jan Heine, and am inspired by his travels. But if/when I ever ride across France, it ain't gonna be at night. If I climb the Tourmalet, it's gonna be in bright sunshine, not just a check on a list as part of some private-parts measurement story for my friends. Cyclotouring to me, and as it applies to this group, seems to strike the right balance. Travel, good health, good scenery, good food, hopefully shared with like-minded good people. I 'm not against the extremes, but as a way of lifeI don't get it. I have an ongoing dialogue with Jill Homer on this very topic. Sorry to ramble, but I think about it quite a bit. RGZ On Wednesday, January 25, 2012, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote: Super neat and thanks, Michael. I love this stuff...as you've supposed. I'll finish reading it tonite. Thank you, really, for sending.. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma... I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that smacks of training, so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. blessings, michael -- Grant Rivendell Bicycle Works www.rivbike.com 925 933 7304 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
I saw headlines the last couple days that the risks of fried food were overstated and eating chocolate prevents bowel cancer. Things are looking up. Ryan On Jan 25, 5:29 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma... I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that smacks of training, so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. blessings, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Extreme Exercize
Awww.. So does that me I can't start racing cyclocross now? I was looking forward on hellish training rides, that make me want to throw up... On Jan 25, 5:29 pm, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: A while back the Riv Reader published an article challenging the benefits of ultra endurance events. With that in mind, I offer this research report: http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/01/25/cardio-ma... I have to admit, I have long since gotten over any urge to do anything that smacks of training, so perhaps this appeals to my preconceived desires. blessings, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
