Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Will Boericke]

Now I know who bought that Ram!  I saw it on CL and thought, ouch, lots of 
rust.  And also, "wish I was taller"! 



On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 8:29:45 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Congrats, Yankeebird! Looks like a nice bike, there. I'm glad you found a 
> frame that met your needs and built up into a comfy ride :) 
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 10:32:56 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> Here you go, Eric
>> I got it back up and running in a temporary fashion-- not sure where I 
>> want to go with it. I threw on some Albatross. French Specialites 52/40 up 
>> front, some sort of generic 11-28 7sp freewheel in the back with Phil hub. 
>> Thinking of bumping it up to 13-32. Up front has the dynamo but no wires. 
>> Some corrosion in the corners on the bottom bracket, the underside 
>> especially where the cables route through. Looks like a previous owner rode 
>> it in the salt and never cleaned up afterwards? Interior of the tubes are 
>> in good shape. The brakes are Suntour Superbes-- I got new Tektro 539s but 
>> that was a mistake- the Suntours have greater vertical clearance. The 
>> Marathon 35's won't fit vertically under the 539's. I was not expecting 
>> that. So I reinstalled the Suntours, the pads are still rubbery and not 
>> hard and bad, but I'll prob get new pads sooner than later just because. 
>>
>> Don't know where this will go-- 7 speed only? 3 speed? Drops or 
>> Albastache or keep the Albatross? Unclear vision. BUT she is quite zippy 
>> and fast. A fun bike and a good change from the Cheviot. The Surly CC has a 
>> longer wheelbase, surprisingly, than the Rambouillet, but both feel very 
>> similar overall. 
>>
>> Going to keep it clean and light, regardless. 
>> It's interesting-- this is a 62cm. I am 6'2"+ with a 91pbh and I could go 
>> either with the 62 or 64. They both would work, the 64 probably a bit 
>> better than the 62, except I wouldn't have the nut-clearance. I'm glad I 
>> didn't look for the 60. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20220516_140958206.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 1:16:08 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Just finished reading through and congrats, yankeebird, on nailing down 
>>> a bike. 
>>>
>>> I left a note in the For Sale thread but will repeat the request here: 
>>> Please share some pics! I could use some soothing after the trauma of the 
>>> mismatched tires, only rear fender and those bars
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:34:26 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 Nice score and that Salsa stem is *chef’s kiss*

 On May 3, 2022, at 16:00, Yankeebird  wrote:

 Ok, resurrecting this thread-


 I thought about this long and hard over the winter, such a great convo, 
 such great tidbits. But I realized I really wanted was a Rambouillet- Riv, 
 road oriented, cheaper than a new Roadini, so I decided to sit and wait. 
 Today, thanks to this group and the For Sale thread I found a 62cm Ram 
 90min from home and it's now MINE at an incredibly reasonable price. 
 Absolutely wonderful, solves my quest almost perfectly. I need to source 
 some parts and do a quasi-build, more later!

 On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 2:38:54 AM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:

> Yankeebird,
>
> For all I know, you’ve found a bike by now. But in case you haven’t, 
> how about a minty Schwinn, built by Panasonic, circa 1984?
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-1984-schwinn-super-sport/7400869490.html
>
> Not my bike. I’m just an enabler.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Eric Marth]

Congrats, Yankeebird! Looks like a nice bike, there. I'm glad you found a 
frame that met your needs and built up into a comfy ride :) 

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 10:32:56 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> Here you go, Eric
> I got it back up and running in a temporary fashion-- not sure where I 
> want to go with it. I threw on some Albatross. French Specialites 52/40 up 
> front, some sort of generic 11-28 7sp freewheel in the back with Phil hub. 
> Thinking of bumping it up to 13-32. Up front has the dynamo but no wires. 
> Some corrosion in the corners on the bottom bracket, the underside 
> especially where the cables route through. Looks like a previous owner rode 
> it in the salt and never cleaned up afterwards? Interior of the tubes are 
> in good shape. The brakes are Suntour Superbes-- I got new Tektro 539s but 
> that was a mistake- the Suntours have greater vertical clearance. The 
> Marathon 35's won't fit vertically under the 539's. I was not expecting 
> that. So I reinstalled the Suntours, the pads are still rubbery and not 
> hard and bad, but I'll prob get new pads sooner than later just because. 
>
> Don't know where this will go-- 7 speed only? 3 speed? Drops or Albastache 
> or keep the Albatross? Unclear vision. BUT she is quite zippy and fast. A 
> fun bike and a good change from the Cheviot. The Surly CC has a longer 
> wheelbase, surprisingly, than the Rambouillet, but both feel very similar 
> overall. 
>
> Going to keep it clean and light, regardless. 
> It's interesting-- this is a 62cm. I am 6'2"+ with a 91pbh and I could go 
> either with the 62 or 64. They both would work, the 64 probably a bit 
> better than the 62, except I wouldn't have the nut-clearance. I'm glad I 
> didn't look for the 60. 
>
> [image: PXL_20220516_140958206.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 1:16:08 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Just finished reading through and congrats, yankeebird, on nailing down a 
>> bike. 
>>
>> I left a note in the For Sale thread but will repeat the request here: 
>> Please share some pics! I could use some soothing after the trauma of the 
>> mismatched tires, only rear fender and those bars
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:34:26 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> Nice score and that Salsa stem is *chef’s kiss*
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2022, at 16:00, Yankeebird  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, resurrecting this thread-
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought about this long and hard over the winter, such a great convo, 
>>> such great tidbits. But I realized I really wanted was a Rambouillet- Riv, 
>>> road oriented, cheaper than a new Roadini, so I decided to sit and wait. 
>>> Today, thanks to this group and the For Sale thread I found a 62cm Ram 
>>> 90min from home and it's now MINE at an incredibly reasonable price. 
>>> Absolutely wonderful, solves my quest almost perfectly. I need to source 
>>> some parts and do a quasi-build, more later!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 2:38:54 AM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:
>>>
 Yankeebird,

 For all I know, you’ve found a bike by now. But in case you haven’t, 
 how about a minty Schwinn, built by Panasonic, circa 1984?


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-1984-schwinn-super-sport/7400869490.html

 Not my bike. I’m just an enabler.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Eric Marth]

Just finished reading through and congrats, yankeebird, on nailing down a 
bike. 

I left a note in the For Sale thread but will repeat the request here: 
Please share some pics! I could use some soothing after the trauma of the 
mismatched tires, only rear fender and those bars

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:34:26 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> Nice score and that Salsa stem is *chef’s kiss*
>
> On May 3, 2022, at 16:00, Yankeebird  wrote:
>
> Ok, resurrecting this thread-
>
>
> I thought about this long and hard over the winter, such a great convo, 
> such great tidbits. But I realized I really wanted was a Rambouillet- Riv, 
> road oriented, cheaper than a new Roadini, so I decided to sit and wait. 
> Today, thanks to this group and the For Sale thread I found a 62cm Ram 
> 90min from home and it's now MINE at an incredibly reasonable price. 
> Absolutely wonderful, solves my quest almost perfectly. I need to source 
> some parts and do a quasi-build, more later!
>
> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 2:38:54 AM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:
>
>> Yankeebird,
>>
>> For all I know, you’ve found a bike by now. But in case you haven’t, how 
>> about a minty Schwinn, built by Panasonic, circa 1984?
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-1984-schwinn-super-sport/7400869490.html
>>
>> Not my bike. I’m just an enabler.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[luckyturnip]

Nice score and that Salsa stem is *chef’s kiss*

> On May 3, 2022, at 16:00, Yankeebird  wrote:
> 
> Ok, resurrecting this thread-
> 
> I thought about this long and hard over the winter, such a great convo, such 
> great tidbits. But I realized I really wanted was a Rambouillet- Riv, road 
> oriented, cheaper than a new Roadini, so I decided to sit and wait. Today, 
> thanks to this group and the For Sale thread I found a 62cm Ram 90min from 
> home and it's now MINE at an incredibly reasonable price. Absolutely 
> wonderful, solves my quest almost perfectly. I need to source some parts and 
> do a quasi-build, more later!
> 
>> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 2:38:54 AM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:
>> Yankeebird,
>> 
>> For all I know, you’ve found a bike by now. But in case you haven’t, how 
>> about a minty Schwinn, built by Panasonic, circa 1984?
>> 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-1984-schwinn-super-sport/7400869490.html
>> 
>> Not my bike. I’m just an enabler.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Yankeebird]

Ok, resurrecting this thread-

I thought about this long and hard over the winter, such a great convo, 
such great tidbits. But I realized I really wanted was a Rambouillet- Riv, 
road oriented, cheaper than a new Roadini, so I decided to sit and wait. 
Today, thanks to this group and the For Sale thread I found a 62cm Ram 
90min from home and it's now MINE at an incredibly reasonable price. 
Absolutely wonderful, solves my quest almost perfectly. I need to source 
some parts and do a quasi-build, more later!

On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 2:38:54 AM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:

> Yankeebird,
>
> For all I know, you’ve found a bike by now. But in case you haven’t, how 
> about a minty Schwinn, built by Panasonic, circa 1984?
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-1984-schwinn-super-sport/7400869490.html
>
> Not my bike. I’m just an enabler.
>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Evan E.]

Yankeebird,

For all I know, you’ve found a bike by now. But in case you haven’t, how 
about a minty Schwinn, built by Panasonic, circa 1984?

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-1984-schwinn-super-sport/7400869490.html

Not my bike. I’m just an enabler.

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Karl Wilcox]

A Motobecane would be an excellent stand-in for a Roadini (I ride both). 
 There are Motobecanes with Japanese components; I believe the 1981 Le 
Champion came with Shimano 600 and Vitus steel (equivalent to Reynolds 
531).  Actually, any Reynolds 531 frame on Ebay that was built for 27 inch 
wheels will acommodate 700cx32-35 tires.  I got a 1979 Mercian frameset on 
Ebay for 200.00 dollars two years ago-- it was built for 27 inch wheels, so 
I am able to run 32c tires on it easily.  It actually rides better than my 
Roadini (more compliant if a little unsteady at anything above 40 mph). 
 Ebay is still a good place to shop for frames if you purchase frames that 
have horrible paint jobs!  Then just take it to your local powder coat guy. 
 

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:

> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>
> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>
> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>
> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
> French sized parts? 
>
> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
> this query. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Bill Lindsay]

The Original Poster was looking for a frameset that would stand in for a 
Rivendell Roadini.  He was looking for recommendations for 1980s bikes that 
would suffice and indicated that the bikes he thought would fit the bill 
should cost $200-$300 complete.  I'm not sure whether the OP found his 
<$300 Roadini complete substitute, but there was a lot of traffic from 
others looking for Roadini-like products without sharing the Original 
Poster's price targets/constraints.  

Velo Orange just offered a sneak peek at their new rando frameset which 
appears to tick all the boxes.  That may be an appealing option for some of 
the participants on this thread.  As a 'bicycle shaped object' it matches 
the shape of a Roadini, just with a little bit shorter chainstays.  It has 
a very svelte looking mono-stay seatstay setup that looks very deliberate 
and sleek, albeit a more modern look.

Here's a link to the V-O blog.  The Velo ORANGE Blog 
(velo-orange.blogspot.com) 

There's no geo-chart or price, and no concrete availability schedule.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:

> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>
> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>
> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>
> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
> French sized parts? 
>
> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
> this query. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Craig Montgomery]

I know. Downsizing is an age thing with me. Pushing 70 and I do not want to
saddle my ladies with tons of "What the hell do we do with this?" stuff.
Hoping to get down to the bikes I ride the most and hope that I don't
regret the decisions. This Mercian is a deep breath and a big sigh.

Craig in Tucson

On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:23 AM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> Such a deal/steal! Wish I weren't downsizing myself...
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 8:18:01 PM UTC-4 Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
>> John G. said:
>> *If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about
>> being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too
>> much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.*
>>  And I'll sell the damn thing for $275 shipped
>> with (are you ready?) a Campy headset. Don't remember which model though.
>>  A little something to ponder.
>>  Craig in Tucson
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 7:22 AM John G.  wrote:
>>
>>> I can't believe I almost missed a chance to comment on my favorite
>>> topic! You, my friend, are looking for a Regular Ass Road Bike. There are a
>>> ton of good suggestions here. Here's my take as a Roadeo owner with a
>>> stable of RARBs from the late 70s/early 80s:
>>>
>>> -  I love my Roadeo, but I also love my Mercian Superlight, my Mercian
>>> Vincitore, my Nishiki Ultimate, etc.
>>> - Be careful going after a full touring frame. I have a Voyageur SP.
>>> It's very stately, but not very spritely. A touring frame will almost quite
>>> certainly throw you into the pain cave that is 27-inch to 700C with Cantis
>>> conversion.
>>> - That being said, and as others have mentioned, you can get GREAT
>>> results with a caliper-equipped frame originally made for 27-inch tires. My
>>> Vincitore was made for 27 inch tires, and it now fits 35mm 700c under
>>> fenders.
>>> - a decent frame from that era is worthy of some new components,
>>> especially wheels. You'll just need to be mindful of rear spacing. I've
>>> been very happy with the VO 126mm hub.
>>> - Cranks might be an issue, too. A lot of them come with 52/42
>>> chainrings with annoying BCDs like 144. FWIW, I can handle a 53 chainring
>>> better on a standard diameter bike than on an OS bike.
>>>
>>> If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about
>>> being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too
>>> much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Paul, I may be interested in that Puch...how much time left do you have
 with it? :)

 On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas
 wrote:

>
> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying
> a lot for around 3 years.
>
> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne
> about a year ago and have been riding it more.
>
> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is
> pretty good stuff.
>
> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm
> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels.
>
> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
>
> I've had a Specialized Expedition,
> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a
> custom touring bike.
>
> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in
> riding performance or feel or whatever.
>
> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode
> terrific.
>
> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some
> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with
> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
>
> Good luck with your search.
>
> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked
> chrome finish.
>
> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem.
> Non original fork , I don't care for,
> however will only take a 32.
>
> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork.
>
> Good luck with your search.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Paul Brodek]

With a big HOWDY to John G-still have yer Crust, and JP Wiggle?

Just a coupla listings I've noticed at ridiculously low prices. All 
big/tall frames, 'cause that's what I drool over, and I haven't checked out 
frame clearance details, 'cause I ain't buying. None of these are 
pristine/mint, but the OP's search was for inexpensive, and these 
definitely qualify for that. This is but a sampling of what's out there...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133882531544 (Trek 760---high-end model)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/133882531544 (Trek 660) 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165084180998 (Raleigh Int'l---these used to go for 
stupid money...)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165084182153 (Gazelle "Bialystock und 
Bloom---guten tag von deg!" I know Gazelle isn't Swedish, but it's close, 
and how often do I get the chance to call Max and Leo?) 

"I'm wearing a cardboard belt!"
"Go, BialyGO!"

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA
On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 10:22:22 AM UTC-4 John G. wrote:

> I can't believe I almost missed a chance to comment on my favorite topic! 
> You, my friend, are looking for a Regular Ass Road Bike. There are a ton of 
> good suggestions here. Here's my take as a Roadeo owner with a stable of 
> RARBs from the late 70s/early 80s:
>
> -  I love my Roadeo, but I also love my Mercian Superlight, my Mercian 
> Vincitore, my Nishiki Ultimate, etc. 
> - Be careful going after a full touring frame. I have a Voyageur SP. It's 
> very stately, but not very spritely. A touring frame will almost quite 
> certainly throw you into the pain cave that is 27-inch to 700C with Cantis 
> conversion.
> - That being said, and as others have mentioned, you can get GREAT results 
> with a caliper-equipped frame originally made for 27-inch tires. My 
> Vincitore was made for 27 inch tires, and it now fits 35mm 700c under 
> fenders. 
> - a decent frame from that era is worthy of some new components, 
> especially wheels. You'll just need to be mindful of rear spacing. I've 
> been very happy with the VO 126mm hub.
> - Cranks might be an issue, too. A lot of them come with 52/42 chainrings 
> with annoying BCDs like 144. FWIW, I can handle a 53 chainring better on a 
> standard diameter bike than on an OS bike.
>
> If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about 
> being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too 
> much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.
>
>
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Paul, I may be interested in that Puch...how much time left do you have 
>> with it? :)
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying a 
>>> lot for around 3 years.
>>>
>>> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne 
>>> about a year ago and have been riding it more.
>>>
>>> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is pretty 
>>> good stuff. 
>>>
>>> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm 
>>> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. 
>>>
>>> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
>>>
>>> I've had a Specialized Expedition,  
>>> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a 
>>> custom touring bike.
>>>
>>> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in 
>>> riding performance or feel or whatever. 
>>>
>>> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode terrific.
>>>
>>> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some 
>>> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with 
>>> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your search.
>>>
>>> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
>>> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked 
>>> chrome finish.
>>>
>>> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. 
>>> Non original fork , I don't care for,
>>> however will only take a 32.
>>>
>>> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. 
>>>
>>> Good luck with your search.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Paul Brodek]

Such a deal/steal! Wish I weren't downsizing myself...

Paul Brodek 
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 8:18:01 PM UTC-4 Craig Montgomery wrote:

> John G. said: 
> *If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about 
> being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too 
> much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.*
>  And I'll sell the damn thing for $275 shipped 
> with (are you ready?) a Campy headset. Don't remember which model though. 
>  A little something to ponder.
>  Craig in Tucson
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 7:22 AM John G.  wrote:
>
>> I can't believe I almost missed a chance to comment on my favorite topic! 
>> You, my friend, are looking for a Regular Ass Road Bike. There are a ton of 
>> good suggestions here. Here's my take as a Roadeo owner with a stable of 
>> RARBs from the late 70s/early 80s:
>>
>> -  I love my Roadeo, but I also love my Mercian Superlight, my Mercian 
>> Vincitore, my Nishiki Ultimate, etc. 
>> - Be careful going after a full touring frame. I have a Voyageur SP. It's 
>> very stately, but not very spritely. A touring frame will almost quite 
>> certainly throw you into the pain cave that is 27-inch to 700C with Cantis 
>> conversion.
>> - That being said, and as others have mentioned, you can get GREAT 
>> results with a caliper-equipped frame originally made for 27-inch tires. My 
>> Vincitore was made for 27 inch tires, and it now fits 35mm 700c under 
>> fenders. 
>> - a decent frame from that era is worthy of some new components, 
>> especially wheels. You'll just need to be mindful of rear spacing. I've 
>> been very happy with the VO 126mm hub.
>> - Cranks might be an issue, too. A lot of them come with 52/42 chainrings 
>> with annoying BCDs like 144. FWIW, I can handle a 53 chainring better on a 
>> standard diameter bike than on an OS bike.
>>
>> If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about 
>> being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too 
>> much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul, I may be interested in that Puch...how much time left do you have 
>>> with it? :)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>

 I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying 
 a lot for around 3 years.

 The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne 
 about a year ago and have been riding it more.

 I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is 
 pretty good stuff. 

 On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm 
 clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. 

 The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.

 I've had a Specialized Expedition,  
 Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a 
 custom touring bike.

 I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in 
 riding performance or feel or whatever. 

 It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode 
 terrific.

 The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some 
 cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with 
 higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.

 Good luck with your search.

 The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked 
 chrome finish.

 I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. 
 Non original fork , I don't care for,
 however will only take a 32.

 I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. 

 Good luck with your search.

 Paul in Dallas





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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Yankeebird]

Oooh email sent

On Tuesday, September 21, 2021 at 8:18:01 PM UTC-4 Craig Montgomery wrote:

> John G. said: 
> *If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about 
> being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too 
> much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.*
>  And I'll sell the damn thing for $275 shipped 
> with (are you ready?) a Campy headset. Don't remember which model though. 
>  A little something to ponder.
>  Craig in Tucson
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 7:22 AM John G.  wrote:
>
>> I can't believe I almost missed a chance to comment on my favorite topic! 
>> You, my friend, are looking for a Regular Ass Road Bike. There are a ton of 
>> good suggestions here. Here's my take as a Roadeo owner with a stable of 
>> RARBs from the late 70s/early 80s:
>>
>> -  I love my Roadeo, but I also love my Mercian Superlight, my Mercian 
>> Vincitore, my Nishiki Ultimate, etc. 
>> - Be careful going after a full touring frame. I have a Voyageur SP. It's 
>> very stately, but not very spritely. A touring frame will almost quite 
>> certainly throw you into the pain cave that is 27-inch to 700C with Cantis 
>> conversion.
>> - That being said, and as others have mentioned, you can get GREAT 
>> results with a caliper-equipped frame originally made for 27-inch tires. My 
>> Vincitore was made for 27 inch tires, and it now fits 35mm 700c under 
>> fenders. 
>> - a decent frame from that era is worthy of some new components, 
>> especially wheels. You'll just need to be mindful of rear spacing. I've 
>> been very happy with the VO 126mm hub.
>> - Cranks might be an issue, too. A lot of them come with 52/42 chainrings 
>> with annoying BCDs like 144. FWIW, I can handle a 53 chainring better on a 
>> standard diameter bike than on an OS bike.
>>
>> If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about 
>> being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too 
>> much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul, I may be interested in that Puch...how much time left do you have 
>>> with it? :)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>

 I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying 
 a lot for around 3 years.

 The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne 
 about a year ago and have been riding it more.

 I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is 
 pretty good stuff. 

 On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm 
 clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. 

 The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.

 I've had a Specialized Expedition,  
 Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a 
 custom touring bike.

 I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in 
 riding performance or feel or whatever. 

 It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode 
 terrific.

 The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some 
 cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with 
 higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.

 Good luck with your search.

 The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked 
 chrome finish.

 I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. 
 Non original fork , I don't care for,
 however will only take a 32.

 I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. 

 Good luck with your search.

 Paul in Dallas





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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Craig Montgomery]

John G. said:
*If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about
being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too
much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.*
 And I'll sell the damn thing for $275 shipped with
(are you ready?) a Campy headset. Don't remember which model though.
 A little something to ponder.
 Craig in Tucson

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 7:22 AM John G.  wrote:

> I can't believe I almost missed a chance to comment on my favorite topic!
> You, my friend, are looking for a Regular Ass Road Bike. There are a ton of
> good suggestions here. Here's my take as a Roadeo owner with a stable of
> RARBs from the late 70s/early 80s:
>
> -  I love my Roadeo, but I also love my Mercian Superlight, my Mercian
> Vincitore, my Nishiki Ultimate, etc.
> - Be careful going after a full touring frame. I have a Voyageur SP. It's
> very stately, but not very spritely. A touring frame will almost quite
> certainly throw you into the pain cave that is 27-inch to 700C with Cantis
> conversion.
> - That being said, and as others have mentioned, you can get GREAT results
> with a caliper-equipped frame originally made for 27-inch tires. My
> Vincitore was made for 27 inch tires, and it now fits 35mm 700c under
> fenders.
> - a decent frame from that era is worthy of some new components,
> especially wheels. You'll just need to be mindful of rear spacing. I've
> been very happy with the VO 126mm hub.
> - Cranks might be an issue, too. A lot of them come with 52/42 chainrings
> with annoying BCDs like 144. FWIW, I can handle a 53 chainring better on a
> standard diameter bike than on an OS bike.
>
> If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about
> being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too
> much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.
>
>
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Paul, I may be interested in that Puch...how much time left do you have
>> with it? :)
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying a
>>> lot for around 3 years.
>>>
>>> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne
>>> about a year ago and have been riding it more.
>>>
>>> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is pretty
>>> good stuff.
>>>
>>> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm
>>> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels.
>>>
>>> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
>>>
>>> I've had a Specialized Expedition,
>>> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a
>>> custom touring bike.
>>>
>>> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in
>>> riding performance or feel or whatever.
>>>
>>> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode terrific.
>>>
>>> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some
>>> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with
>>> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your search.
>>>
>>> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
>>> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked
>>> chrome finish.
>>>
>>> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem.
>>> Non original fork , I don't care for,
>>> however will only take a 32.
>>>
>>> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your search.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[John G.]

I can't believe I almost missed a chance to comment on my favorite topic! 
You, my friend, are looking for a Regular Ass Road Bike. There are a ton of 
good suggestions here. Here's my take as a Roadeo owner with a stable of 
RARBs from the late 70s/early 80s:

-  I love my Roadeo, but I also love my Mercian Superlight, my Mercian 
Vincitore, my Nishiki Ultimate, etc. 
- Be careful going after a full touring frame. I have a Voyageur SP. It's 
very stately, but not very spritely. A touring frame will almost quite 
certainly throw you into the pain cave that is 27-inch to 700C with Cantis 
conversion.
- That being said, and as others have mentioned, you can get GREAT results 
with a caliper-equipped frame originally made for 27-inch tires. My 
Vincitore was made for 27 inch tires, and it now fits 35mm 700c under 
fenders. 
- a decent frame from that era is worthy of some new components, especially 
wheels. You'll just need to be mindful of rear spacing. I've been very 
happy with the VO 126mm hub.
- Cranks might be an issue, too. A lot of them come with 52/42 chainrings 
with annoying BCDs like 144. FWIW, I can handle a 53 chainring better on a 
standard diameter bike than on an OS bike.

If I were you, I'd buy Craig's Mercian in a heartbeat. Don't worry about 
being precious about it. My Superlight is pretty beat up and has far too 
much surface rust. You can always get it repainted, which is my plan.


On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 10:07:51 PM UTC-4 max.c@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Paul, I may be interested in that Puch...how much time left do you have 
> with it? :)
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>>
>> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying a 
>> lot for around 3 years.
>>
>> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne about 
>> a year ago and have been riding it more.
>>
>> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is pretty 
>> good stuff. 
>>
>> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm 
>> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. 
>>
>> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
>>
>> I've had a Specialized Expedition,  
>> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a 
>> custom touring bike.
>>
>> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in 
>> riding performance or feel or whatever. 
>>
>> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode terrific.
>>
>> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some 
>> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with 
>> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
>>
>> Good luck with your search.
>>
>> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
>> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked 
>> chrome finish.
>>
>> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. 
>> Non original fork , I don't care for,
>> however will only take a 32.
>>
>> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. 
>>
>> Good luck with your search.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>>
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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[max.c....@gmail.com]

Paul, I may be interested in that Puch...how much time left do you have 
with it? :)

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:41:42 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after enjoying a 
> lot for around 3 years.
>
> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne about 
> a year ago and have been riding it more.
>
> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is pretty 
> good stuff. 
>
> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm 
> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. 
>
> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs.
>
> I've had a Specialized Expedition,  
> Miyata  610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and a 
> custom touring bike.
>
> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in 
> riding performance or feel or whatever. 
>
> It had fewer  braze on bosses than some touring models but rode terrific.
>
> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some 
> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers with 
> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately.
>
> Good luck with your search.
>
> The past two weeks I've been  tinkering with a 1982, I think,
> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked 
> chrome finish.
>
> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. 
> Non original fork , I don't care for,
> however will only take a 32.
>
> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. 
>
> Good luck with your search.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Mathieu Brown]

I was waiting for that Waterloo Wi v Waterford Wi correction Paul - no
worries.

Much more importantly is to highlight the build quality concern.

MATHIEU BROWN



On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 10:55 AM Paul Brodek  wrote:

> Combining a few threads/thoughts here...
>
> Sorry to be That Guy, but I think we're talking about Water_loo_ Treks,
> not Water_ford_ Treks. Both have Water in them, but Waterford is a
> completely different builder.
>
> And being That Guy yet again, just a reminder that there was a run of
> early-'80s Trek 600-series frames with Ishiwata CCL forks that had a
> tendency to crack. Specifically '81 Trek 610/613/614 and '82 Trek 613/614
> frames with the Ishiwata CCL fork crown are suspect. The failures were
> typically catastrophic, meaning they failed without warning or showing sign
> of gradual failure. Some folks think it's due to the inside fork crown
> profile not having a stress-relieving tang, but I've heard from more than
> one builder that there are other fork crowns out there with similar
> profiles with better track records, and they suspect the Ishiwata CCL
> crown/blades were simply overheated. Plenty of online info out on the webs
> and here in the forums, as always your call as to whether to use 'em or
> replace 'em. I replaced mine with a Soma.
>
> FWIW, there do seem to be a fairly good supply of used '70s-'80s Treks out
> there these days. I regularly cruise Charles N's bobbish bikes for sale,
> and there are days when more than half the posts are Treks of this era.
>
> And for those seeking earlier Specialized Sequoias, not a whole lot of
> those surface on my radar. Though I haven't been seeking them out
> specifically, I'm not seeking out older Treks either, but they pop up all
> the time. To be fair, taking in a bunch of different models, the Trek pool
> was originally many tens of thousands, maybe more, where 4-5yrs worth of
> early Sequoias is a significantly smaller pool.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 6:09:58 PM UTC-4 mathie...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Not sure what your size is (and I get the search for a nice long
>> chainstay)  but might I suggest some lower-model Waterford Treks?
>>
>> I'm riding a 1983 Trek 620 (which was, unfortunately, listed as a 720)
>> and an even older Trek TX500 that can fit a 700c X 38 tire without fenders.
>> They ride great, I think - though not as nice as a Waterford AHH
>>
>> Nothing I know-of that's older is going to have those Trek 720/728
>> chainstays though - mine are only a 44mm
>>
>> And while the prices aren't nearly as crazy for the lower models in
>> smaller sizes (just running a quick ebay search), as Matt noted, prices are
>> still going up 
>>
>> Best of luck,
>>
>> MATHIEU BROWN
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:17 PM Yankeebird  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh these are all great, thank you. I mention the Roadini because to my
>>> eye, it mimics a lot of the older touring bikes. The Roadini chainstays are
>>> not uber-long, but a bit longer than a tighter bike, and tubing is not
>>> ultralight, but a bit beefier. To my amateur eye, seems somewhat comparable
>>> to bikes like the 720 or Passage that had slightly longer chainstays and
>>> slightly heavier tubing. Sure, the descriptions might be different, the
>>> Roadini is more "Riv-Racey" and the 720/Passage are serious touring
>>> machines in their era... I wouldn't think that a 720/Passage would ride as
>>> stiffly as an unloaded Long Haul Trucker, for instance.
>>>
>>> Am I wrong?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 4:31:31 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>
 I've been counseling a friend on CL bike, pointing him to a Univega
 Sport Tour, or Gran Sprint (champion 1 vs 2 and mangaloy), early
 Miyatas-Centurion-Fuji-Nishiki crowd, the usual UJB selections. He found a
 Jamis Axis, still to be checked out. Looks like a Tange Infinity sticker on
 the seat tube. UJBs seem to be a better bargain now than low or medium
 grade 531 bikes, but the prices are all over the map. Also check out the
 Schwinn Tenax trinity of Circuit-Tempo-Peloton. Less tire clearance but
 under the radar bikes too.

 Mike SLO CA

 On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote
 wrote:

> Good point about the 27" to 700c conversion. My Univega Viva Sport
> originally had 27" wheels, and now has 700c wheels. Plenty of adjustment 
> on
> the standard reach brakes, and it now has room for at least 35mm tires,
> maybe 38.
>
> I've had a bunch of 80s road bikes, and have yet to run into one with
> a bad headset, but YMMV. 80s MTBs on the other hand... well, they often
> lived a harder life.
>
> Finally, the OP is looking for a Roadini replacement, but mentions the
> Trek 720. The 720 is a pretty serious touring machine, and not really
> comparable to the Roadini. I focused in on the Roadini part, and as such,
> was suggesting 

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm not sure why I even clicked on this thread but I did and when I saw  
Specialized Sequoias mentioned, it caught my eye.  I have one and it's been 
my main bike since 2004.  Now I am the proud owner of a Riv Platypus and 
basically went from 23mm tires to 48mm tires.  I don't know if I can ever 
get on that  Specialized Sequoia ever again.  I looked into maybe 
increasing the tire size but it can only squeeze a 28mm.  I love the triple 
as I ride hills in North Jersey and took the bike on many hotel tours over 
the years.  It was advertised as a 'Sport Tourer' and had a rise in the 
stem.  I rode it around the parking lot once and bought the bike.  
I've never seen another  Specialized Sequoia. 
Good luck with your search.  
Kate from Trenton who may never need another bike again after happily 
riding her new Riv Platy

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 12:59:56 PM UTC-4 Craig Montgomery wrote:

> Damn bikes are like leeches aren't they? 
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:56:22 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Craig, if you're asking yourself whether you should sell it, I think 
>> you'll regret it, just because you have so much history with it.(Why I 
>> can't part with my old PX-10 and 1993 X0-1...plus 3 Rivendells) .That is a 
>> beauty! So understated and elegant! The Gentleman moniker is very apt. Have 
>> another think about letting go of that...with all due respect to the 
>> original poster
>>
>> Ryan in Winnipeg, MB
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:21:46 PM UTC-5 Craig Montgomery 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I actually have one that might interest you Bubba. An '86 Mercian I've 
>>> had almost 2 decades. 59cm (23 1/2"). 531C. "Sport Touring". 700x32mm BUT 
>>> my favorite iteration is as a 650Bx38 All Roader. Got these wheels for sale 
>>> also but they may be more than you want to invest (Phil Wood). I have set 
>>> it up Fixed, with a Sturmey Archer 4 speed, 700x32 Light Tourer, and 
>>> 650Bx38 All Road. Damn I'm convincing myself not to sell it. 
>>> Here it is fixed: 
>>>  [image: monto1.jpg]
>>> Gentleman's Tourer (moteling it):
>>> [image: Mercian and Barbed Wire.jpg]
>>> As a 650B with PariMoto 38's
>>> [image: Mercian 650B by Falls.jpg]
>>> [image: Mt. Hopkins from Elephant Head Road Cropped.jpg]
>>>
>>> If this pushes a button email me. 
>>>
>>> Craig way too many frames and projects in Tucson
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>>
 I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
 through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
 something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
 primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
 with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
 my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.

 I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least 
 a 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
 cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
 Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 

 I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
 bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
 things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
 $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 

 Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should 
 be looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
 components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
 French sized parts? 

 Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn 
 the stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it 
 comes to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build 
 a 
 wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
 see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
 this query. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Craig Montgomery]

Damn bikes are like leeches aren't they? 

Craig in Tucson

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 1:56:22 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Craig, if you're asking yourself whether you should sell it, I think 
> you'll regret it, just because you have so much history with it.(Why I 
> can't part with my old PX-10 and 1993 X0-1...plus 3 Rivendells) .That is a 
> beauty! So understated and elegant! The Gentleman moniker is very apt. Have 
> another think about letting go of that...with all due respect to the 
> original poster
>
> Ryan in Winnipeg, MB
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:21:46 PM UTC-5 Craig Montgomery wrote:
>
>> I actually have one that might interest you Bubba. An '86 Mercian I've 
>> had almost 2 decades. 59cm (23 1/2"). 531C. "Sport Touring". 700x32mm BUT 
>> my favorite iteration is as a 650Bx38 All Roader. Got these wheels for sale 
>> also but they may be more than you want to invest (Phil Wood). I have set 
>> it up Fixed, with a Sturmey Archer 4 speed, 700x32 Light Tourer, and 
>> 650Bx38 All Road. Damn I'm convincing myself not to sell it. 
>> Here it is fixed: 
>>  [image: monto1.jpg]
>> Gentleman's Tourer (moteling it):
>> [image: Mercian and Barbed Wire.jpg]
>> As a 650B with PariMoto 38's
>> [image: Mercian 650B by Falls.jpg]
>> [image: Mt. Hopkins from Elephant Head Road Cropped.jpg]
>>
>> If this pushes a button email me. 
>>
>> Craig way too many frames and projects in Tucson
>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
>>> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
>>> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
>>> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
>>> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
>>> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>>
>>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least 
>>> a 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
>>> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
>>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>>
>>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
>>> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
>>> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
>>> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>>
>>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should 
>>> be looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
>>> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
>>> French sized parts? 
>>>
>>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn 
>>> the stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it 
>>> comes to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
>>> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
>>> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
>>> this query. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

I should know by now to highlight the "death fork" in every thread that 
mentions my 614. My bad. Sounds like I should bite the bullet and replace 
it before I kill anyone should I sell it. 

Marty
On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 12:15:13 PM UTC-4 Paul Brodek wrote:

> There are literally tons of candidates out there. I'm old and graying, and 
> so understand the literal meaning of "tons." Heck, just amongst us ibobers 
> we could likely dig out the 400-500 excess 4lb~5lb frames we'd need to make 
> a ton. Maybe not all your size. I won't get into details here since I don't 
> have numbers ready, but I've got two 61cm-ish cheapish-but-nice, higher-end 
> sport-tour Fujis that'd fit the bill nicely, along with a genuine tourer if 
> somebody wanted something stouter, with even better clearance. Plus a 
> forkless Miyata 912, and likely a couple others.  
>
> No shortage of candidates...
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 9:05:03 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> Wow so many sweet looking bikes and so many great ideas... this thread is 
>> paying off in spades and has definitely broadened my eye. Lovely. 
>> That Mercian is a heartstopper. Wowzer. I couldn't do it. I'm not worthy. 
>> You should keep her, for sure. 
>>
>> Martie, what's the size of that Trek 614... 22.5"?
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 10:36:39 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> My Saluki was originally owned by Ed Braley
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 9:59:32 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>>>
 I have gotten great service out of a mid 80s Nashbar Mark III. It was 
 originally converted to 650B by Ed Braley, if you're familiar with the 
 name 
 and came to me via a Riv List member.  I rode it for a while with a Veloce 
 Compact double, but for a while have used a Chorus 50/40/26 triple.  I 
 have 
 an XT in back with a 11-36 9  speed and use it on hilly rides. It maxes 
 out 
 at 38mm without fenders on Velocity Synergy or A23 rims. Tange tubing and 
 so far very durable. Very affordable frame on the used market. Made for 
 Nashbar by Maruishi in Japan.[image: CHC Ferrous.jpg] 

 On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:31:52 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
 Stewartstown PA wrote:

> I also have this Trek 614 from 1981 that is too small for me. Amazing 
> condition as-found. It came with 27" wheels but I tried a set of 700c 
> wheels with 40mm tires that they actually fit! I would part with it if 
> this 
> floats your boat.  I can get better pics of the current cleaned up state. 
> It's a stunning bike. 
>
> [image: 51036092221_89fff1d3be_c.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:19:39 PM UTC-4 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> Keep an eye out for an early to mid 80s Miyata 912 or 914. I picked 
>> this '83 912 up recently and it's a very nice bike. Will fit 32s. One 
>> level 
>> below the pro models. This is an as-found photo - I have since added the 
>> correct seatpost and pedals. Will find replacement hoods. Look at that 
>> sweet fork bend! All Shimano 600EX. Kind of flies under the radar so you 
>> might get lucky.
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> [image: 51403719006_1f39030bf6_c.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Craig, if you're asking yourself whether you should sell it, I think 
>>> you'll regret it, just because you have so much history with it.(Why I 
>>> can't part with my old PX-10 and 1993 X0-1...plus 3 Rivendells) .That 
>>> is a 
>>> beauty! So understated and elegant! The Gentleman moniker is very apt. 
>>> Have 
>>> another think about letting go of that...with all due respect to the 
>>> original poster
>>>
>>> Ryan in Winnipeg, MB
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:21:46 PM UTC-5 Craig Montgomery 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I actually have one that might interest you Bubba. An '86 Mercian 
 I've had almost 2 decades. 59cm (23 1/2"). 531C. "Sport Touring". 
 700x32mm 
 BUT my favorite iteration is as a 650Bx38 All Roader. Got these wheels 
 for 
 sale also but they may be more than you want to invest (Phil Wood). I 
 have 
 set it up Fixed, with a Sturmey Archer 4 speed, 700x32 Light Tourer, 
 and 
 650Bx38 All Road. Damn I'm convincing myself not to sell it. 
 Here it is fixed: 
  [image: monto1.jpg]
 Gentleman's Tourer (moteling it):
 [image: Mercian and Barbed Wire.jpg]
 As a 650B with PariMoto 38's
 [image: Mercian 650B by Falls.jpg]
 [image: Mt. Hopkins from Elephant Head Road Cropped.jpg]

 If this pushes a button email me. 

 Craig way too many frames and projects in Tucson
 On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Paul Brodek]

There are literally tons of candidates out there. I'm old and graying, and 
so understand the literal meaning of "tons." Heck, just amongst us ibobers 
we could likely dig out the 400-500 excess 4lb~5lb frames we'd need to make 
a ton. Maybe not all your size. I won't get into details here since I don't 
have numbers ready, but I've got two 61cm-ish cheapish-but-nice, higher-end 
sport-tour Fujis that'd fit the bill nicely, along with a genuine tourer if 
somebody wanted something stouter, with even better clearance. Plus a 
forkless Miyata 912, and likely a couple others.  

No shortage of candidates...

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 9:05:03 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> Wow so many sweet looking bikes and so many great ideas... this thread is 
> paying off in spades and has definitely broadened my eye. Lovely. 
> That Mercian is a heartstopper. Wowzer. I couldn't do it. I'm not worthy. 
> You should keep her, for sure. 
>
> Martie, what's the size of that Trek 614... 22.5"?
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 10:36:39 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> My Saluki was originally owned by Ed Braley
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 9:59:32 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>>
>>> I have gotten great service out of a mid 80s Nashbar Mark III. It was 
>>> originally converted to 650B by Ed Braley, if you're familiar with the name 
>>> and came to me via a Riv List member.  I rode it for a while with a Veloce 
>>> Compact double, but for a while have used a Chorus 50/40/26 triple.  I have 
>>> an XT in back with a 11-36 9  speed and use it on hilly rides. It maxes out 
>>> at 38mm without fenders on Velocity Synergy or A23 rims. Tange tubing and 
>>> so far very durable. Very affordable frame on the used market. Made for 
>>> Nashbar by Maruishi in Japan.[image: CHC Ferrous.jpg] 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:31:52 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 I also have this Trek 614 from 1981 that is too small for me. Amazing 
 condition as-found. It came with 27" wheels but I tried a set of 700c 
 wheels with 40mm tires that they actually fit! I would part with it if 
 this 
 floats your boat.  I can get better pics of the current cleaned up state. 
 It's a stunning bike. 

 [image: 51036092221_89fff1d3be_c.jpg]

 On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:19:39 PM UTC-4 Marty Gierke, 
 Stewartstown PA wrote:

> Keep an eye out for an early to mid 80s Miyata 912 or 914. I picked 
> this '83 912 up recently and it's a very nice bike. Will fit 32s. One 
> level 
> below the pro models. This is an as-found photo - I have since added the 
> correct seatpost and pedals. Will find replacement hoods. Look at that 
> sweet fork bend! All Shimano 600EX. Kind of flies under the radar so you 
> might get lucky.
>
> Marty
>
> [image: 51403719006_1f39030bf6_c.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Craig, if you're asking yourself whether you should sell it, I think 
>> you'll regret it, just because you have so much history with it.(Why I 
>> can't part with my old PX-10 and 1993 X0-1...plus 3 Rivendells) .That is 
>> a 
>> beauty! So understated and elegant! The Gentleman moniker is very apt. 
>> Have 
>> another think about letting go of that...with all due respect to the 
>> original poster
>>
>> Ryan in Winnipeg, MB
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:21:46 PM UTC-5 Craig Montgomery 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I actually have one that might interest you Bubba. An '86 Mercian 
>>> I've had almost 2 decades. 59cm (23 1/2"). 531C. "Sport Touring". 
>>> 700x32mm 
>>> BUT my favorite iteration is as a 650Bx38 All Roader. Got these wheels 
>>> for 
>>> sale also but they may be more than you want to invest (Phil Wood). I 
>>> have 
>>> set it up Fixed, with a Sturmey Archer 4 speed, 700x32 Light Tourer, 
>>> and 
>>> 650Bx38 All Road. Damn I'm convincing myself not to sell it. 
>>> Here it is fixed: 
>>>  [image: monto1.jpg]
>>> Gentleman's Tourer (moteling it):
>>> [image: Mercian and Barbed Wire.jpg]
>>> As a 650B with PariMoto 38's
>>> [image: Mercian 650B by Falls.jpg]
>>> [image: Mt. Hopkins from Elephant Head Road Cropped.jpg]
>>>
>>> If this pushes a button email me. 
>>>
>>> Craig way too many frames and projects in Tucson
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
 through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
 something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
 primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built 
 up 
 with an Alfine IGH 8 and 

Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Paul Brodek]

Combining a few threads/thoughts here...

Sorry to be That Guy, but I think we're talking about Water_loo_ Treks, not 
Water_ford_ Treks. Both have Water in them, but Waterford is a completely 
different builder. 

And being That Guy yet again, just a reminder that there was a run of 
early-'80s Trek 600-series frames with Ishiwata CCL forks that had a 
tendency to crack. Specifically '81 Trek 610/613/614 and '82 Trek 613/614 
frames with the Ishiwata CCL fork crown are suspect. The failures were 
typically catastrophic, meaning they failed without warning or showing sign 
of gradual failure. Some folks think it's due to the inside fork crown 
profile not having a stress-relieving tang, but I've heard from more than 
one builder that there are other fork crowns out there with similar 
profiles with better track records, and they suspect the Ishiwata CCL 
crown/blades were simply overheated. Plenty of online info out on the webs 
and here in the forums, as always your call as to whether to use 'em or 
replace 'em. I replaced mine with a Soma.

FWIW, there do seem to be a fairly good supply of used '70s-'80s Treks out 
there these days. I regularly cruise Charles N's bobbish bikes for sale, 
and there are days when more than half the posts are Treks of this era. 

And for those seeking earlier Specialized Sequoias, not a whole lot of 
those surface on my radar. Though I haven't been seeking them out 
specifically, I'm not seeking out older Treks either, but they pop up all 
the time. To be fair, taking in a bunch of different models, the Trek pool 
was originally many tens of thousands, maybe more, where 4-5yrs worth of 
early Sequoias is a significantly smaller pool.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA  

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 6:09:58 PM UTC-4 mathie...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Not sure what your size is (and I get the search for a nice long 
> chainstay)  but might I suggest some lower-model Waterford Treks? 
>
> I'm riding a 1983 Trek 620 (which was, unfortunately, listed as a 720) and 
> an even older Trek TX500 that can fit a 700c X 38 tire without fenders. 
> They ride great, I think - though not as nice as a Waterford AHH
>
> Nothing I know-of that's older is going to have those Trek 720/728 
> chainstays though - mine are only a 44mm
>
> And while the prices aren't nearly as crazy for the lower models in 
> smaller sizes (just running a quick ebay search), as Matt noted, prices are 
> still going up 
>
> Best of luck, 
>  
> MATHIEU BROWN
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:17 PM Yankeebird  wrote:
>
>> Oh these are all great, thank you. I mention the Roadini because to my 
>> eye, it mimics a lot of the older touring bikes. The Roadini chainstays are 
>> not uber-long, but a bit longer than a tighter bike, and tubing is not 
>> ultralight, but a bit beefier. To my amateur eye, seems somewhat comparable 
>> to bikes like the 720 or Passage that had slightly longer chainstays and 
>> slightly heavier tubing. Sure, the descriptions might be different, the 
>> Roadini is more "Riv-Racey" and the 720/Passage are serious touring 
>> machines in their era... I wouldn't think that a 720/Passage would ride as 
>> stiffly as an unloaded Long Haul Trucker, for instance. 
>>
>> Am I wrong?
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 4:31:31 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> I've been counseling a friend on CL bike, pointing him to a Univega 
>>> Sport Tour, or Gran Sprint (champion 1 vs 2 and mangaloy), early 
>>> Miyatas-Centurion-Fuji-Nishiki crowd, the usual UJB selections. He found a 
>>> Jamis Axis, still to be checked out. Looks like a Tange Infinity sticker on 
>>> the seat tube. UJBs seem to be a better bargain now than low or medium 
>>> grade 531 bikes, but the prices are all over the map. Also check out the 
>>> Schwinn Tenax trinity of Circuit-Tempo-Peloton. Less tire clearance but 
>>> under the radar bikes too.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good point about the 27" to 700c conversion. My Univega Viva Sport 
 originally had 27" wheels, and now has 700c wheels. Plenty of adjustment 
 on 
 the standard reach brakes, and it now has room for at least 35mm tires, 
 maybe 38. 

 I've had a bunch of 80s road bikes, and have yet to run into one with a 
 bad headset, but YMMV. 80s MTBs on the other hand... well, they often 
 lived 
 a harder life.

 Finally, the OP is looking for a Roadini replacement, but mentions the 
 Trek 720. The 720 is a pretty serious touring machine, and not really 
 comparable to the Roadini. I focused in on the Roadini part, and as such, 
 was suggesting 80s sport touring bikes. 

 Chris


 On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
 wrote:

> You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built 
> for 27" wheels and caliper brakes.  I've successfully 

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Yankeebird]

Wow so many sweet looking bikes and so many great ideas... this thread is 
paying off in spades and has definitely broadened my eye. Lovely. 
That Mercian is a heartstopper. Wowzer. I couldn't do it. I'm not worthy. 
You should keep her, for sure. 

Martie, what's the size of that Trek 614... 22.5"?
On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 10:36:39 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> My Saluki was originally owned by Ed Braley
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 9:59:32 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>
>> I have gotten great service out of a mid 80s Nashbar Mark III. It was 
>> originally converted to 650B by Ed Braley, if you're familiar with the name 
>> and came to me via a Riv List member.  I rode it for a while with a Veloce 
>> Compact double, but for a while have used a Chorus 50/40/26 triple.  I have 
>> an XT in back with a 11-36 9  speed and use it on hilly rides. It maxes out 
>> at 38mm without fenders on Velocity Synergy or A23 rims. Tange tubing and 
>> so far very durable. Very affordable frame on the used market. Made for 
>> Nashbar by Maruishi in Japan.[image: CHC Ferrous.jpg] 
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:31:52 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> I also have this Trek 614 from 1981 that is too small for me. Amazing 
>>> condition as-found. It came with 27" wheels but I tried a set of 700c 
>>> wheels with 40mm tires that they actually fit! I would part with it if this 
>>> floats your boat.  I can get better pics of the current cleaned up state. 
>>> It's a stunning bike. 
>>>
>>> [image: 51036092221_89fff1d3be_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:19:39 PM UTC-4 Marty Gierke, 
>>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>>
 Keep an eye out for an early to mid 80s Miyata 912 or 914. I picked 
 this '83 912 up recently and it's a very nice bike. Will fit 32s. One 
 level 
 below the pro models. This is an as-found photo - I have since added the 
 correct seatpost and pedals. Will find replacement hoods. Look at that 
 sweet fork bend! All Shimano 600EX. Kind of flies under the radar so you 
 might get lucky.

 Marty

 [image: 51403719006_1f39030bf6_c.jpg]

 On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Craig, if you're asking yourself whether you should sell it, I think 
> you'll regret it, just because you have so much history with it.(Why I 
> can't part with my old PX-10 and 1993 X0-1...plus 3 Rivendells) .That is 
> a 
> beauty! So understated and elegant! The Gentleman moniker is very apt. 
> Have 
> another think about letting go of that...with all due respect to the 
> original poster
>
> Ryan in Winnipeg, MB
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:21:46 PM UTC-5 Craig Montgomery 
> wrote:
>
>> I actually have one that might interest you Bubba. An '86 Mercian 
>> I've had almost 2 decades. 59cm (23 1/2"). 531C. "Sport Touring". 
>> 700x32mm 
>> BUT my favorite iteration is as a 650Bx38 All Roader. Got these wheels 
>> for 
>> sale also but they may be more than you want to invest (Phil Wood). I 
>> have 
>> set it up Fixed, with a Sturmey Archer 4 speed, 700x32 Light Tourer, and 
>> 650Bx38 All Road. Damn I'm convincing myself not to sell it. 
>> Here it is fixed: 
>>  [image: monto1.jpg]
>> Gentleman's Tourer (moteling it):
>> [image: Mercian and Barbed Wire.jpg]
>> As a 650B with PariMoto 38's
>> [image: Mercian 650B by Falls.jpg]
>> [image: Mt. Hopkins from Elephant Head Road Cropped.jpg]
>>
>> If this pushes a button email me. 
>>
>> Craig way too many frames and projects in Tucson
>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>
>>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
>>> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
>>> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
>>> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built 
>>> up 
>>> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so 
>>> when 
>>> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>>
>>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at 
>>> least a 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another 
>>> IGH/albatross or 
>>> a cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than 
>>> my 
>>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>>
>>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has 
>>> this bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But 
>>> these 
>>> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
>>> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>>
>>> Any other comparable frames to 

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Johnny Alien]

My Saluki was originally owned by Ed Braley

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 9:59:32 PM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:

> I have gotten great service out of a mid 80s Nashbar Mark III. It was 
> originally converted to 650B by Ed Braley, if you're familiar with the name 
> and came to me via a Riv List member.  I rode it for a while with a Veloce 
> Compact double, but for a while have used a Chorus 50/40/26 triple.  I have 
> an XT in back with a 11-36 9  speed and use it on hilly rides. It maxes out 
> at 38mm without fenders on Velocity Synergy or A23 rims. Tange tubing and 
> so far very durable. Very affordable frame on the used market. Made for 
> Nashbar by Maruishi in Japan.[image: CHC Ferrous.jpg] 
>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 5:31:52 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> I also have this Trek 614 from 1981 that is too small for me. Amazing 
>> condition as-found. It came with 27" wheels but I tried a set of 700c 
>> wheels with 40mm tires that they actually fit! I would part with it if this 
>> floats your boat.  I can get better pics of the current cleaned up state. 
>> It's a stunning bike. 
>>
>> [image: 51036092221_89fff1d3be_c.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 6:19:39 PM UTC-4 Marty Gierke, 
>> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>>
>>> Keep an eye out for an early to mid 80s Miyata 912 or 914. I picked this 
>>> '83 912 up recently and it's a very nice bike. Will fit 32s. One level 
>>> below the pro models. This is an as-found photo - I have since added the 
>>> correct seatpost and pedals. Will find replacement hoods. Look at that 
>>> sweet fork bend! All Shimano 600EX. Kind of flies under the radar so you 
>>> might get lucky.
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>> [image: 51403719006_1f39030bf6_c.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Craig, if you're asking yourself whether you should sell it, I think 
 you'll regret it, just because you have so much history with it.(Why I 
 can't part with my old PX-10 and 1993 X0-1...plus 3 Rivendells) .That is a 
 beauty! So understated and elegant! The Gentleman moniker is very apt. 
 Have 
 another think about letting go of that...with all due respect to the 
 original poster

 Ryan in Winnipeg, MB

 On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:21:46 PM UTC-5 Craig Montgomery 
 wrote:

> I actually have one that might interest you Bubba. An '86 Mercian I've 
> had almost 2 decades. 59cm (23 1/2"). 531C. "Sport Touring". 700x32mm BUT 
> my favorite iteration is as a 650Bx38 All Roader. Got these wheels for 
> sale 
> also but they may be more than you want to invest (Phil Wood). I have set 
> it up Fixed, with a Sturmey Archer 4 speed, 700x32 Light Tourer, and 
> 650Bx38 All Road. Damn I'm convincing myself not to sell it. 
> Here it is fixed: 
>  [image: monto1.jpg]
> Gentleman's Tourer (moteling it):
> [image: Mercian and Barbed Wire.jpg]
> As a 650B with PariMoto 38's
> [image: Mercian 650B by Falls.jpg]
> [image: Mt. Hopkins from Elephant Head Road Cropped.jpg]
>
> If this pushes a button email me. 
>
> Craig way too many frames and projects in Tucson
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
>> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
>> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
>> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
>> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so 
>> when 
>> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>
>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at 
>> least a 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross 
>> or 
>> a cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than 
>> my 
>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>
>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has 
>> this bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But 
>> these 
>> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
>> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>
>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I 
>> should be looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard 
>> sizing 
>> for components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall 
>> finding 
>> French sized parts? 
>>
>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn 
>> the stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when 
>> it 
>> comes to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't 
>> build 

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Ryan]

Craig, if you're asking yourself whether you should sell it, I think you'll 
regret it, just because you have so much history with it.(Why I can't part 
with my old PX-10 and 1993 X0-1...plus 3 Rivendells) .That is a beauty! So 
understated and elegant! The Gentleman moniker is very apt. Have another 
think about letting go of that...with all due respect to the original 
poster

Ryan in Winnipeg, MB

On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:21:46 PM UTC-5 Craig Montgomery wrote:

> I actually have one that might interest you Bubba. An '86 Mercian I've had 
> almost 2 decades. 59cm (23 1/2"). 531C. "Sport Touring". 700x32mm BUT my 
> favorite iteration is as a 650Bx38 All Roader. Got these wheels for sale 
> also but they may be more than you want to invest (Phil Wood). I have set 
> it up Fixed, with a Sturmey Archer 4 speed, 700x32 Light Tourer, and 
> 650Bx38 All Road. Damn I'm convincing myself not to sell it. 
> Here it is fixed: 
>  [image: monto1.jpg]
> Gentleman's Tourer (moteling it):
> [image: Mercian and Barbed Wire.jpg]
> As a 650B with PariMoto 38's
> [image: Mercian 650B by Falls.jpg]
> [image: Mt. Hopkins from Elephant Head Road Cropped.jpg]
>
> If this pushes a button email me. 
>
> Craig way too many frames and projects in Tucson
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
>> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
>> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
>> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
>> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
>> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>
>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
>> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
>> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>
>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
>> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
>> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
>> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>
>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
>> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
>> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
>> French sized parts? 
>>
>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
>> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
>> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
>> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
>> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
>> this query. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[luckyturnip]

Have I missed the size bike you are seeking?

> On Sep 16, 2021, at 07:29, Christopher Cote  
> wrote:
> 
> I've never seen a Specialized Sequoia in person. Maybe they're more common 
> on the west coast, but around here, you'd have a better chance of finding a 
> Heron Road, or Riv Rambouillet used. I've also never understood why the 
> Sequoia has such status here. It's not very "Riv-ish". To me, the first tenet 
> of Rivishness is a slack seat tube. Everything else is built around that. The 
> Sequoia has a 74 degree STA. Sure, you can set a super setback seatpost, but 
> that makes the reach to the bars way too long, and upsets the whole aesthetic.
> 
> Yankeebird - there's a lot more to the Trek 720 than the long chainstays. I 
> personally am not a fan of the 720. If you're lusting after an old Trek, my 
> preference would be the 1983 or older 620.  I had one of those, and it was a 
> great bike. The 720 is a purpose built loaded tourer. It may not appear so to 
> the eye, but it's built of very stout tubing, and won't ride as nicely 
> unloaded as some of the other suggestions, and certainly not as nice as a 
> Roadini. I don't know how it would compare to a LHT. The deal killer for the 
> 720, though, are the wheels and brakes. It was built around 27" wheels with 
> cantilever brakes and very narrow brake post spacing. Without getting too 
> deep in the weeds, that makes it challenging to convert to 700c. It's much 
> easier on the 1983 620 with regular caliper brakes. The 620 also was built of 
> lighter tubing.
> 
> Where are you located? Have you found any bikes for sale locally that you are 
> interested in?
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:05:45 AM UTC-4 Jay P wrote:
>> You have at least two great options that are easy to find (with a little 
>> patience):
>> 
>> 1)  Specialized Sequoia, earlier the better
>> 
>> Obvio.  For all the reasons.  But I think this is better :
>> 
>> 
>> 2)  Trek 710 (1983 or before, earlier maybe better but not necessarily)  
>> 
>> I"m surprised these don't get higher prices as it is the perfect all around 
>> road bike -- Rivendells surely improve on them but
>> 
>> I've seen some frames/forks clear up to 700x40, but you need to triple 
>> confirm because sometimes just barely 35mm. Often already have rack mounts.  
>> I've set up many people on these and almost uniformly superb riding bikes -- 
>> lively, fun, practical, probably supple.   If you're feeling flush, have a 
>> framebuilder improve it (downtube cable stops, better brake cable routing, 
>> 2nd and/or 3rd water bottle cage mounts (triple mount on seat tube for the 
>> King manything ti cage?), rear der. stop?) and get it powder coated or 
>> painted.   Phenomenal bikes.  I'm surprised we all aren't competing for 
>> these.  
>> 
>> + make sure you have proper stem, handlebars, wheels, and tires
>> 
>> A nice 710 (without the framebuilding stuff) + parts (assuming you do the 
>> work + have some parts around) = maybe $500-800
>> 
>> Best value around !
>> 
>> Wishing you well 
>> Jay P.
>> Kauai 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going through 
>>> some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up something else 
>>> in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my primary main bike 
>>> for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up with an Alfine IGH 8 
>>> and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when my bro and I visit we 
>>> have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>> 
>>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
>>> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
>>> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
>>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>> 
>>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this bike 
>>> and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these things are 
>>> going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as $200-300 bikes, 
>>> but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>> 
>>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
>>> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
>>> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
>>> French sized parts? 
>>> 
>>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
>>> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
>>> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
>>> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
>>> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
>>> this query. 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Christopher Cote]

I've never seen a Specialized Sequoia in person. Maybe they're more common 
on the west coast, but around here, you'd have a better chance of finding a 
Heron Road, or Riv Rambouillet used. I've also never understood why the 
Sequoia has such status here. It's not very "Riv-ish". To me, the first 
tenet of Rivishness is a slack seat tube. Everything else is built around 
that. The Sequoia has a 74 degree STA. Sure, you can set a super setback 
seatpost, but that makes the reach to the bars way too long, and upsets the 
whole aesthetic.

Yankeebird - there's a lot more to the Trek 720 than the long chainstays. I 
personally am not a fan of the 720. If you're lusting after an old Trek, my 
preference would be the 1983 or older 620.  I had one of those, and it was 
a great bike. The 720 is a purpose built loaded tourer. It may not appear 
so to the eye, but it's built of very stout tubing, and won't ride as 
nicely unloaded as some of the other suggestions, and certainly not as nice 
as a Roadini. I don't know how it would compare to a LHT. The deal killer 
for the 720, though, are the wheels and brakes. It was built around 27" 
wheels with cantilever brakes and very narrow brake post spacing. Without 
getting too deep in the weeds, that makes it challenging to convert to 
700c. It's much easier on the 1983 620 with regular caliper brakes. The 620 
also was built of lighter tubing.

Where are you located? Have you found any bikes for sale locally that you 
are interested in?

Chris


On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 2:05:45 AM UTC-4 Jay P wrote:

> You have at least two great options that are easy to find (with a little 
> patience):
>
> 1)  Specialized Sequoia, earlier the better
>
> Obvio.  For all the reasons.  But I think this is better :
>
>
> 2)  Trek 710 (1983 or before, earlier maybe better but not necessarily)  
>
> I"m surprised these don't get higher prices as it is the perfect all 
> around road bike -- Rivendells surely improve on them but
>
> I've seen some frames/forks clear up to 700x40, but you need to triple 
> confirm because sometimes just barely 35mm. Often already have rack mounts. 
>  I've set up many people on these and almost uniformly superb riding bikes 
> -- lively, fun, practical, probably supple.   If you're feeling flush, have 
> a framebuilder improve it (downtube cable stops, better brake cable 
> routing, 2nd and/or 3rd water bottle cage mounts (triple mount on seat tube 
> for the King manything ti cage?), rear der. stop?) and get it powder coated 
> or painted.   Phenomenal bikes.  I'm surprised we all aren't competing for 
> these.  
>
> + make sure you have proper stem, handlebars, wheels, and tires
>
> A nice 710 (without the framebuilding stuff) + parts (assuming you do the 
> work + have some parts around) = maybe $500-800
>
> Best value around !
>
> Wishing you well 
> Jay P.
> Kauai 
>
>
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:
>
>> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
>> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
>> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
>> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
>> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
>> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>>
>> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
>> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
>> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
>> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>>
>> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
>> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
>> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
>> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>>
>> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
>> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
>> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
>> French sized parts? 
>>
>> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
>> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
>> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
>> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
>> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
>> this query. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Jay P]

You have at least two great options that are easy to find (with a little 
patience):

1)  Specialized Sequoia, earlier the better

Obvio.  For all the reasons.  But I think this is better :


2)  Trek 710 (1983 or before, earlier maybe better but not necessarily)  

I"m surprised these don't get higher prices as it is the perfect all around 
road bike -- Rivendells surely improve on them but

I've seen some frames/forks clear up to 700x40, but you need to triple 
confirm because sometimes just barely 35mm. Often already have rack mounts. 
 I've set up many people on these and almost uniformly superb riding bikes 
-- lively, fun, practical, probably supple.   If you're feeling flush, have 
a framebuilder improve it (downtube cable stops, better brake cable 
routing, 2nd and/or 3rd water bottle cage mounts (triple mount on seat tube 
for the King manything ti cage?), rear der. stop?) and get it powder coated 
or painted.   Phenomenal bikes.  I'm surprised we all aren't competing for 
these.  

+ make sure you have proper stem, handlebars, wheels, and tires

A nice 710 (without the framebuilding stuff) + parts (assuming you do the 
work + have some parts around) = maybe $500-800

Best value around !

Wishing you well 
Jay P.
Kauai 



 

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 8:45:29 AM UTC-7 Yankeebird wrote:

> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>
> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>
> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>
> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
> French sized parts? 
>
> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
> this query. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Mathieu Brown]

Not sure what your size is (and I get the search for a nice long chainstay)
 but might I suggest some lower-model Waterford Treks?

I'm riding a 1983 Trek 620 (which was, unfortunately, listed as a 720) and
an even older Trek TX500 that can fit a 700c X 38 tire without fenders.
They ride great, I think - though not as nice as a Waterford AHH

Nothing I know-of that's older is going to have those Trek 720/728
chainstays though - mine are only a 44mm

And while the prices aren't nearly as crazy for the lower models in
smaller sizes (just running a quick ebay search), as Matt noted, prices are
still going up 

Best of luck,

MATHIEU BROWN



On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:17 PM Yankeebird  wrote:

> Oh these are all great, thank you. I mention the Roadini because to my
> eye, it mimics a lot of the older touring bikes. The Roadini chainstays are
> not uber-long, but a bit longer than a tighter bike, and tubing is not
> ultralight, but a bit beefier. To my amateur eye, seems somewhat comparable
> to bikes like the 720 or Passage that had slightly longer chainstays and
> slightly heavier tubing. Sure, the descriptions might be different, the
> Roadini is more "Riv-Racey" and the 720/Passage are serious touring
> machines in their era... I wouldn't think that a 720/Passage would ride as
> stiffly as an unloaded Long Haul Trucker, for instance.
>
> Am I wrong?
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 4:31:31 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> I've been counseling a friend on CL bike, pointing him to a Univega Sport
>> Tour, or Gran Sprint (champion 1 vs 2 and mangaloy), early
>> Miyatas-Centurion-Fuji-Nishiki crowd, the usual UJB selections. He found a
>> Jamis Axis, still to be checked out. Looks like a Tange Infinity sticker on
>> the seat tube. UJBs seem to be a better bargain now than low or medium
>> grade 531 bikes, but the prices are all over the map. Also check out the
>> Schwinn Tenax trinity of Circuit-Tempo-Peloton. Less tire clearance but
>> under the radar bikes too.
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good point about the 27" to 700c conversion. My Univega Viva Sport
>>> originally had 27" wheels, and now has 700c wheels. Plenty of adjustment on
>>> the standard reach brakes, and it now has room for at least 35mm tires,
>>> maybe 38.
>>>
>>> I've had a bunch of 80s road bikes, and have yet to run into one with a
>>> bad headset, but YMMV. 80s MTBs on the other hand... well, they often lived
>>> a harder life.
>>>
>>> Finally, the OP is looking for a Roadini replacement, but mentions the
>>> Trek 720. The 720 is a pretty serious touring machine, and not really
>>> comparable to the Roadini. I focused in on the Roadini part, and as such,
>>> was suggesting 80s sport touring bikes.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built for
 27" wheels and caliper brakes.  I've successfully converted three such
 frames to 700x32-38 with Tektro 559 or 539 caliper brakes.  I'm 6'5" and
 because of the difficulty in finding tall enough frames I've been entirely
 opportunistic for such projects but still have 2 of the 3 conversions
 essentially serving collectively as stand-ins for a
 Roadini/Hillborne/Homer/Quickbeam.  Mine are all lower end models with
 non-premium tubesets so not exactly comparable to the more desirable models
 with higher end steel but they still function the same for my purposes.

 A word of caution if you find yourself considering any lower end frames
 you find locally that many take JIS headsets with 30.0 cups and 27.0 crown
 race (vs. 30.2 cups and 26.4 crown currently more common)  One of my many
 lessons during my own evolution as a DIY bike tinkerer.  Not an issue if
 you find something with a good/serviceable headset and you'll stick with
 the stock fork, of course.

 My 700c conversions were on the following frames (in order of
 acquisition:)

 '87 Schwinn Traveler / '83 Schwinn Traveler / late 70's mystery Raleigh
 'DeLuxe' import from Denmark.

 The '87 Schwinn was a curbside freebie and my own gateway into DIY bike
 tinkering.  Turns out this one was rather crudely constructed (headtube was
 admittedly pretty cool after discovering it's a faux-lugged single cast
 piece but the top and downtubes weren't even mitred and just brazed in and
 smashed/bent for steerer clearance.  '83 Schwinn Traveler is Taiwan made by
 Giant and has much cleaner construction, fits me better being a 27" frame
 size vs. the 25" '87 Traveler which was big enough with long stem and drops
 but ended up cracking seatstay on the '87 anyway.

 It's kind of interesting comparing these two Travelers side by side.
 Both of these 80's Schwinns had 126mm rear spacing, JIS headsets, 

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Yankeebird]

Oh these are all great, thank you. I mention the Roadini because to my eye, 
it mimics a lot of the older touring bikes. The Roadini chainstays are not 
uber-long, but a bit longer than a tighter bike, and tubing is not 
ultralight, but a bit beefier. To my amateur eye, seems somewhat comparable 
to bikes like the 720 or Passage that had slightly longer chainstays and 
slightly heavier tubing. Sure, the descriptions might be different, the 
Roadini is more "Riv-Racey" and the 720/Passage are serious touring 
machines in their era... I wouldn't think that a 720/Passage would ride as 
stiffly as an unloaded Long Haul Trucker, for instance. 

Am I wrong?

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 4:31:31 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:

> I've been counseling a friend on CL bike, pointing him to a Univega Sport 
> Tour, or Gran Sprint (champion 1 vs 2 and mangaloy), early 
> Miyatas-Centurion-Fuji-Nishiki crowd, the usual UJB selections. He found a 
> Jamis Axis, still to be checked out. Looks like a Tange Infinity sticker on 
> the seat tube. UJBs seem to be a better bargain now than low or medium 
> grade 531 bikes, but the prices are all over the map. Also check out the 
> Schwinn Tenax trinity of Circuit-Tempo-Peloton. Less tire clearance but 
> under the radar bikes too.
>
> Mike SLO CA 
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote 
> wrote:
>
>> Good point about the 27" to 700c conversion. My Univega Viva Sport 
>> originally had 27" wheels, and now has 700c wheels. Plenty of adjustment on 
>> the standard reach brakes, and it now has room for at least 35mm tires, 
>> maybe 38. 
>>
>> I've had a bunch of 80s road bikes, and have yet to run into one with a 
>> bad headset, but YMMV. 80s MTBs on the other hand... well, they often lived 
>> a harder life.
>>
>> Finally, the OP is looking for a Roadini replacement, but mentions the 
>> Trek 720. The 720 is a pretty serious touring machine, and not really 
>> comparable to the Roadini. I focused in on the Roadini part, and as such, 
>> was suggesting 80s sport touring bikes. 
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built for 
>>> 27" wheels and caliper brakes.  I've successfully converted three such 
>>> frames to 700x32-38 with Tektro 559 or 539 caliper brakes.  I'm 6'5" and 
>>> because of the difficulty in finding tall enough frames I've been entirely 
>>> opportunistic for such projects but still have 2 of the 3 conversions 
>>> essentially serving collectively as stand-ins for a 
>>> Roadini/Hillborne/Homer/Quickbeam.  Mine are all lower end models with 
>>> non-premium tubesets so not exactly comparable to the more desirable models 
>>> with higher end steel but they still function the same for my purposes.
>>>
>>> A word of caution if you find yourself considering any lower end frames 
>>> you find locally that many take JIS headsets with 30.0 cups and 27.0 crown 
>>> race (vs. 30.2 cups and 26.4 crown currently more common)  One of my many 
>>> lessons during my own evolution as a DIY bike tinkerer.  Not an issue if 
>>> you find something with a good/serviceable headset and you'll stick with 
>>> the stock fork, of course.
>>>
>>> My 700c conversions were on the following frames (in order of 
>>> acquisition:)
>>>
>>> '87 Schwinn Traveler / '83 Schwinn Traveler / late 70's mystery Raleigh 
>>> 'DeLuxe' import from Denmark.
>>>
>>> The '87 Schwinn was a curbside freebie and my own gateway into DIY bike 
>>> tinkering.  Turns out this one was rather crudely constructed (headtube was 
>>> admittedly pretty cool after discovering it's a faux-lugged single cast 
>>> piece but the top and downtubes weren't even mitred and just brazed in and 
>>> smashed/bent for steerer clearance.  '83 Schwinn Traveler is Taiwan made by 
>>> Giant and has much cleaner construction, fits me better being a 27" frame 
>>> size vs. the 25" '87 Traveler which was big enough with long stem and drops 
>>> but ended up cracking seatstay on the '87 anyway.
>>>
>>> It's kind of interesting comparing these two Travelers side by side.  
>>> Both of these 80's Schwinns had 126mm rear spacing, JIS headsets, typical 
>>> 68mm british bottom bracket shells.  '87 had semi-horizontal dropouts with 
>>> derailer tab and downtube lever bosses with bolt on under bottom bracket 
>>> cable guide.  The earlier '83 Traveler has no derailer tab and clamp on 
>>> downtube shifter bosses, and brazed on cable guides on the top of the BB 
>>> shell.  I picked up a bolt on derailer mount to eventually be able to run a 
>>> multispeed wheel from the wheel I had upgraded on the '87 Schwinn but 
>>> otherwise have been running the '83 as a single speed/Quickbeam substitute 
>>> in the interim and had considered making this a IGH build instead with the 
>>> lack of derailer tab and brazed on BB cable guide... also as a 3spd 
>>> replacement since my mystery 

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Mike Godwin]

I've been counseling a friend on CL bike, pointing him to a Univega Sport 
Tour, or Gran Sprint (champion 1 vs 2 and mangaloy), early 
Miyatas-Centurion-Fuji-Nishiki crowd, the usual UJB selections. He found a 
Jamis Axis, still to be checked out. Looks like a Tange Infinity sticker on 
the seat tube. UJBs seem to be a better bargain now than low or medium 
grade 531 bikes, but the prices are all over the map. Also check out the 
Schwinn Tenax trinity of Circuit-Tempo-Peloton. Less tire clearance but 
under the radar bikes too.

Mike SLO CA 

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:01:03 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote wrote:

> Good point about the 27" to 700c conversion. My Univega Viva Sport 
> originally had 27" wheels, and now has 700c wheels. Plenty of adjustment on 
> the standard reach brakes, and it now has room for at least 35mm tires, 
> maybe 38. 
>
> I've had a bunch of 80s road bikes, and have yet to run into one with a 
> bad headset, but YMMV. 80s MTBs on the other hand... well, they often lived 
> a harder life.
>
> Finally, the OP is looking for a Roadini replacement, but mentions the 
> Trek 720. The 720 is a pretty serious touring machine, and not really 
> comparable to the Roadini. I focused in on the Roadini part, and as such, 
> was suggesting 80s sport touring bikes. 
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
> wrote:
>
>> You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built for 
>> 27" wheels and caliper brakes.  I've successfully converted three such 
>> frames to 700x32-38 with Tektro 559 or 539 caliper brakes.  I'm 6'5" and 
>> because of the difficulty in finding tall enough frames I've been entirely 
>> opportunistic for such projects but still have 2 of the 3 conversions 
>> essentially serving collectively as stand-ins for a 
>> Roadini/Hillborne/Homer/Quickbeam.  Mine are all lower end models with 
>> non-premium tubesets so not exactly comparable to the more desirable models 
>> with higher end steel but they still function the same for my purposes.
>>
>> A word of caution if you find yourself considering any lower end frames 
>> you find locally that many take JIS headsets with 30.0 cups and 27.0 crown 
>> race (vs. 30.2 cups and 26.4 crown currently more common)  One of my many 
>> lessons during my own evolution as a DIY bike tinkerer.  Not an issue if 
>> you find something with a good/serviceable headset and you'll stick with 
>> the stock fork, of course.
>>
>> My 700c conversions were on the following frames (in order of 
>> acquisition:)
>>
>> '87 Schwinn Traveler / '83 Schwinn Traveler / late 70's mystery Raleigh 
>> 'DeLuxe' import from Denmark.
>>
>> The '87 Schwinn was a curbside freebie and my own gateway into DIY bike 
>> tinkering.  Turns out this one was rather crudely constructed (headtube was 
>> admittedly pretty cool after discovering it's a faux-lugged single cast 
>> piece but the top and downtubes weren't even mitred and just brazed in and 
>> smashed/bent for steerer clearance.  '83 Schwinn Traveler is Taiwan made by 
>> Giant and has much cleaner construction, fits me better being a 27" frame 
>> size vs. the 25" '87 Traveler which was big enough with long stem and drops 
>> but ended up cracking seatstay on the '87 anyway.
>>
>> It's kind of interesting comparing these two Travelers side by side.  
>> Both of these 80's Schwinns had 126mm rear spacing, JIS headsets, typical 
>> 68mm british bottom bracket shells.  '87 had semi-horizontal dropouts with 
>> derailer tab and downtube lever bosses with bolt on under bottom bracket 
>> cable guide.  The earlier '83 Traveler has no derailer tab and clamp on 
>> downtube shifter bosses, and brazed on cable guides on the top of the BB 
>> shell.  I picked up a bolt on derailer mount to eventually be able to run a 
>> multispeed wheel from the wheel I had upgraded on the '87 Schwinn but 
>> otherwise have been running the '83 as a single speed/Quickbeam substitute 
>> in the interim and had considered making this a IGH build instead with the 
>> lack of derailer tab and brazed on BB cable guide... also as a 3spd 
>> replacement since my mystery Raleigh project completely caught me by 
>> surprise.
>>
>> I won't get into the weeds with this one here since it's not necessarily 
>> relevant to your search but The Raleigh was bought cheap with little more 
>> than a few photos showing a large frame with locking fork.  It was intended 
>> to be a frame replacement/upsize to just move a typical 3sp build from a 
>> too small 21" frame Raleigh Sports into the larger frame I found.  Turns 
>> out the frame was even larger than I initially thought and easily fits 
>> 700x35 - likely 38mm with fender if I could add some clearance to the 
>> chainstays, but vertical clearance with current 35mm and Tektro brakes is 
>> nearly 2cm.  I've essentially made this my commuter/lock-up/basket bike (I 
>> don't have a commute but this is the one I grab for any utility 

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Christopher Cote]

Good point about the 27" to 700c conversion. My Univega Viva Sport 
originally had 27" wheels, and now has 700c wheels. Plenty of adjustment on 
the standard reach brakes, and it now has room for at least 35mm tires, 
maybe 38. 

I've had a bunch of 80s road bikes, and have yet to run into one with a bad 
headset, but YMMV. 80s MTBs on the other hand... well, they often lived a 
harder life.

Finally, the OP is looking for a Roadini replacement, but mentions the Trek 
720. The 720 is a pretty serious touring machine, and not really comparable 
to the Roadini. I focused in on the Roadini part, and as such, was 
suggesting 80s sport touring bikes. 

Chris


On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:58:49 PM UTC-4 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
wrote:

> You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built for 
> 27" wheels and caliper brakes.  I've successfully converted three such 
> frames to 700x32-38 with Tektro 559 or 539 caliper brakes.  I'm 6'5" and 
> because of the difficulty in finding tall enough frames I've been entirely 
> opportunistic for such projects but still have 2 of the 3 conversions 
> essentially serving collectively as stand-ins for a 
> Roadini/Hillborne/Homer/Quickbeam.  Mine are all lower end models with 
> non-premium tubesets so not exactly comparable to the more desirable models 
> with higher end steel but they still function the same for my purposes.
>
> A word of caution if you find yourself considering any lower end frames 
> you find locally that many take JIS headsets with 30.0 cups and 27.0 crown 
> race (vs. 30.2 cups and 26.4 crown currently more common)  One of my many 
> lessons during my own evolution as a DIY bike tinkerer.  Not an issue if 
> you find something with a good/serviceable headset and you'll stick with 
> the stock fork, of course.
>
> My 700c conversions were on the following frames (in order of acquisition:)
>
> '87 Schwinn Traveler / '83 Schwinn Traveler / late 70's mystery Raleigh 
> 'DeLuxe' import from Denmark.
>
> The '87 Schwinn was a curbside freebie and my own gateway into DIY bike 
> tinkering.  Turns out this one was rather crudely constructed (headtube was 
> admittedly pretty cool after discovering it's a faux-lugged single cast 
> piece but the top and downtubes weren't even mitred and just brazed in and 
> smashed/bent for steerer clearance.  '83 Schwinn Traveler is Taiwan made by 
> Giant and has much cleaner construction, fits me better being a 27" frame 
> size vs. the 25" '87 Traveler which was big enough with long stem and drops 
> but ended up cracking seatstay on the '87 anyway.
>
> It's kind of interesting comparing these two Travelers side by side.  Both 
> of these 80's Schwinns had 126mm rear spacing, JIS headsets, typical 68mm 
> british bottom bracket shells.  '87 had semi-horizontal dropouts with 
> derailer tab and downtube lever bosses with bolt on under bottom bracket 
> cable guide.  The earlier '83 Traveler has no derailer tab and clamp on 
> downtube shifter bosses, and brazed on cable guides on the top of the BB 
> shell.  I picked up a bolt on derailer mount to eventually be able to run a 
> multispeed wheel from the wheel I had upgraded on the '87 Schwinn but 
> otherwise have been running the '83 as a single speed/Quickbeam substitute 
> in the interim and had considered making this a IGH build instead with the 
> lack of derailer tab and brazed on BB cable guide... also as a 3spd 
> replacement since my mystery Raleigh project completely caught me by 
> surprise.
>
> I won't get into the weeds with this one here since it's not necessarily 
> relevant to your search but The Raleigh was bought cheap with little more 
> than a few photos showing a large frame with locking fork.  It was intended 
> to be a frame replacement/upsize to just move a typical 3sp build from a 
> too small 21" frame Raleigh Sports into the larger frame I found.  Turns 
> out the frame was even larger than I initially thought and easily fits 
> 700x35 - likely 38mm with fender if I could add some clearance to the 
> chainstays, but vertical clearance with current 35mm and Tektro brakes is 
> nearly 2cm.  I've essentially made this my commuter/lock-up/basket bike (I 
> don't have a commute but this is the one I grab for any utility riding.)
>
> Probably worth checking out any local co-ops or bike kitchens in your 
> area.  Central New Jersey area has Second Life Bikes in Asbury Park and in 
> Trenton there is the Boys and Girls Club Bike Exchange that both run on 
> donations/volunteer support. I used to have an office within a 15min ride 
> of Second Life Bikes in Asbury where I'd make an occasional lunch hour trip 
> to both drop off parts donations or dig through the parts bins for anything 
> specific in need (and successfully found necessary seatposts/stems/levers 
> on several occasions plus the 27" '83 Schwinn I just happened to spot 
> hanging in the rafters one day.)
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>
> On Wednesday, 

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

You may have success with a variety of steel frames initially built for 27" 
wheels and caliper brakes.  I've successfully converted three such frames 
to 700x32-38 with Tektro 559 or 539 caliper brakes.  I'm 6'5" and because 
of the difficulty in finding tall enough frames I've been entirely 
opportunistic for such projects but still have 2 of the 3 conversions 
essentially serving collectively as stand-ins for a 
Roadini/Hillborne/Homer/Quickbeam.  Mine are all lower end models with 
non-premium tubesets so not exactly comparable to the more desirable models 
with higher end steel but they still function the same for my purposes.

A word of caution if you find yourself considering any lower end frames you 
find locally that many take JIS headsets with 30.0 cups and 27.0 crown race 
(vs. 30.2 cups and 26.4 crown currently more common)  One of my many 
lessons during my own evolution as a DIY bike tinkerer.  Not an issue if 
you find something with a good/serviceable headset and you'll stick with 
the stock fork, of course.

My 700c conversions were on the following frames (in order of acquisition:)

'87 Schwinn Traveler / '83 Schwinn Traveler / late 70's mystery Raleigh 
'DeLuxe' import from Denmark.

The '87 Schwinn was a curbside freebie and my own gateway into DIY bike 
tinkering.  Turns out this one was rather crudely constructed (headtube was 
admittedly pretty cool after discovering it's a faux-lugged single cast 
piece but the top and downtubes weren't even mitred and just brazed in and 
smashed/bent for steerer clearance.  '83 Schwinn Traveler is Taiwan made by 
Giant and has much cleaner construction, fits me better being a 27" frame 
size vs. the 25" '87 Traveler which was big enough with long stem and drops 
but ended up cracking seatstay on the '87 anyway.

It's kind of interesting comparing these two Travelers side by side.  Both 
of these 80's Schwinns had 126mm rear spacing, JIS headsets, typical 68mm 
british bottom bracket shells.  '87 had semi-horizontal dropouts with 
derailer tab and downtube lever bosses with bolt on under bottom bracket 
cable guide.  The earlier '83 Traveler has no derailer tab and clamp on 
downtube shifter bosses, and brazed on cable guides on the top of the BB 
shell.  I picked up a bolt on derailer mount to eventually be able to run a 
multispeed wheel from the wheel I had upgraded on the '87 Schwinn but 
otherwise have been running the '83 as a single speed/Quickbeam substitute 
in the interim and had considered making this a IGH build instead with the 
lack of derailer tab and brazed on BB cable guide... also as a 3spd 
replacement since my mystery Raleigh project completely caught me by 
surprise.

I won't get into the weeds with this one here since it's not necessarily 
relevant to your search but The Raleigh was bought cheap with little more 
than a few photos showing a large frame with locking fork.  It was intended 
to be a frame replacement/upsize to just move a typical 3sp build from a 
too small 21" frame Raleigh Sports into the larger frame I found.  Turns 
out the frame was even larger than I initially thought and easily fits 
700x35 - likely 38mm with fender if I could add some clearance to the 
chainstays, but vertical clearance with current 35mm and Tektro brakes is 
nearly 2cm.  I've essentially made this my commuter/lock-up/basket bike (I 
don't have a commute but this is the one I grab for any utility riding.)

Probably worth checking out any local co-ops or bike kitchens in your 
area.  Central New Jersey area has Second Life Bikes in Asbury Park and in 
Trenton there is the Boys and Girls Club Bike Exchange that both run on 
donations/volunteer support. I used to have an office within a 15min ride 
of Second Life Bikes in Asbury where I'd make an occasional lunch hour trip 
to both drop off parts donations or dig through the parts bins for anything 
specific in need (and successfully found necessary seatposts/stems/levers 
on several occasions plus the 27" '83 Schwinn I just happened to spot 
hanging in the rafters one day.)

Best of luck!

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:45:29 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>
> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>
> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
> bike and it's an 

[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Christopher Cote]

Look for a Univega. I have a Viva Sport that is eerily similar to my 
Rambouillet. Like within a few mm in most dimensions. It's a little 
heavier, not as well made, and not made from as nice steel, but it still 
rides really nicely. Gobs of tire clearance, and horizontal dropouts for 
IGH (or singlespeed) use. Not all Univegas are Riv-like, so do your 
homework and measure carefully. You want something from the sport-touring 
section of the spectrum. Not a loaded tourer, or a racy criterium-style 
bike.

Bridgestones, of course are a lot like a Roadini. The RB series is almost 
always overpriced on the used market due to the cult status, and tire 
clearance is not as good. The older numeric series bikes may have some like 
my Univega, but I'm not an expert on those models.

Late 90s and early 'oughts Lemonds are really good, too. Tire clearance 
will be an issue, though.

Really, any 80s UJB (universal Japanese bike) like Miyata, Nishiki, 
Centurion, etc will have promise. Look at things like tire clearance, does 
it use standard (not short) reach brakes, measure the seat tube and head 
tube angles with an angle finder app on your phone, and pick a good one. 
Good luck!

Chris


On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:45:29 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>
> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>
> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>
> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
> French sized parts? 
>
> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
> this query. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Doug H.]

Here is a Trek 720 but not sure about the size. I needs TLC. I'm not the 
owner nor do I know the owner but saw it on local Craigslist.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/d/smyrna-trek-and-schwinn-one-or-both/7372107618.html
Doug

On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:13:54 PM UTC-4 Matt Beecher wrote:

> As a Trek 720 owner, I am in agreement with market prices for them.  It is 
> a very nice bike.  I converted mine to 700c and found it nice enough to 
> eventually add dynamo lighting.  I also would not think it is like the 
> Roadini, though I admit I have not ridden one.  I imagine the Roadini is 
> going to feel quite a bit faster.  
>
> If you are looking for something similar to the Trek 720, but sells for 
> less, try Miyata 6xx or Fuji Touring Series bikes.  They still tend to be 
> more than what you are thinking, but you are more likely to catch a deal on 
> one.  
>
> If you are looking for something like the Roadini, I would look for 
> something else...like a 70's sports tourer.   Those might be more in the 
> price range you specified.  
>
> Best regards,
> Matt in Oswego, IL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[Matt Beecher]

As a Trek 720 owner, I am in agreement with market prices for them.  It is 
a very nice bike.  I converted mine to 700c and found it nice enough to 
eventually add dynamo lighting.  I also would not think it is like the 
Roadini, though I admit I have not ridden one.  I imagine the Roadini is 
going to feel quite a bit faster.  

If you are looking for something similar to the Trek 720, but sells for 
less, try Miyata 6xx or Fuji Touring Series bikes.  They still tend to be 
more than what you are thinking, but you are more likely to catch a deal on 
one.  

If you are looking for something like the Roadini, I would look for 
something else...like a 70's sports tourer.   Those might be more in the 
price range you specified.  

Best regards,
Matt in Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: Mid-80 steel frames that could be Roadini standins

[lconley]

French headsets, bottom brackets and seatposts can be had from VO. You can 
sand down a Nitto stem to fit a French fork with little effort, or you can 
just use a English fork with normal headset and stem. French bikes (Gitane, 
Peugeot, Motobecane, Libertas, etc.) are not really much cheaper though. I 
have a small Gitane Tour de France that I was thinking of selling, but I 
would want closer to the $800 than the $200. I originally ended up at 
Rivendell because the new frames were the same or cheaper than used 
70's/80's classic lugged 531 frames.
You might look for a lugged chrome-moly Ross road frame/bike, they are kind 
of under the radar of most people. They sometimes had cheap components on a 
nice frame. I got a complete lugged chrome-moly Ross mixte at a thrift 
store a few years back for $60 - weird parts - the wheels were 3 piece 
chromed steel hubs with alloy rims. Ross was early into mountain bikes, but 
they did have some decent road frames.

Laing
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 11:45:29 AM UTC-4 Yankeebird wrote:

> I would like a Roadini, but it's going to be a while, and I'm going 
> through some money constraints right now, and I don't mind fixing up 
> something else in the interim. I have a Cheviot right now, and it's my 
> primary main bike for everything. I also have a Surly CC that I built up 
> with an Alfine IGH 8 and Albatross bars, but I keep that at Mom's so when 
> my bro and I visit we have a bike to bang around on to blow off steam.
>
> I would really like a decent smooth steel frame that will take at least a 
> 32-38 tire, and I can build up either with another IGH/albatross or a 
> cassette and drop bars depending on my whims. Something zippier than my 
> Cheviot but not a straight up triathlon bike. 
>
> I'd like to get my hands on a '86 Schwinn Passage (my brother has this 
> bike and it's an incredible) or an early/mid 80's Trek 720. But these 
> things are going for PREMIUM money, almost ridiculous. I value them as 
> $200-300 bikes, but they are listed at $800+ and it boggles my mind. 
>
> Any other comparable frames to the above two I mentioned that I should be 
> looking at? What about Motobecanes? Do they have standard sizing for 
> components or am I going to be banging my head against the wall finding 
> French sized parts? 
>
> Biking is something I enjoy, and I can do basic bike MX and can learn the 
> stuff I don't know, but I am not deep in the weeds of dorkdom when it comes 
> to bikes. I have other much deeper passions. I probably won't build a 
> wheel, but I can replace a BB. I know what I like and what I want when I 
> see it, if I'm pointed in the correct direction by those who know. Hence 
> this query. 
>

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