[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
+1 on Wellgo MG-1's. They are sort of the go to, best value, lightish bmx/mtb pedal. I just got a pair a couple of days ago. My concerns were similar to the OP's. The MG-1's are plenty grippy, but you could file down or remove extra grip pegs if you get hot spots, without permanently altering the pedal. As far as cornering clearance goes, you may not want to use these on a fixed gear bike, but I haven't had any problems with my freewheel bike - and I should mention the reason I went to platforms and then wider platforms was because my frame has such a low bottom bracket that using clips and straps was intolerable in city traffic (terrible grinding on every first stroke after starting from a stop) - I built the frame myself and did not anticipate this. Anyway, even though you'd think cornering clearance would be a big problem for me, it is not. I also own a modern racing bike with which I love to pedal through tight turns and push my luck, but on my comfy steel ride I have no problem coasting through sharp turns. I think the main reason BMX style pedals are not considered more often is because they just don't look as elegant on our bikes as we'd like - but hey, find some big, silver platforms that look halfway decent and I bet you're distaste will melt away with the comfort and ease of use. Best, Travis in NYC On Nov 14, 8:34 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Right now, my winter bike has the MKS sneaker pedals which work, but will probably switch to one of the BMX pedals sitting around for better grip with winter boots. The RMX can get slippery in wet/snowy conditions. However, do like the reflectors for riding after dark. Agree with George, BMX pedals can be all over the board. Happen to know that Jim Thill has recently built a bike with Tioga Spider pedals that look promising for weight and cornering clearance. BTW, the Wellgo pedals look like the old Shimano MX pedals. One of the early great mountain bike pedals. They are available in a modern version, although the price is not cheap. Now, a modern version of the old Suntour Beartrap would be about perfect. Cartridge bearing, very grippy surface. Then again, my wife has scars on her leg from an ill-timed pedal slip. So maybe not the best? (At least they were safer than the Cook Bros. Those were sharp. Literally.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Nov 14, 6:53 pm, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: I like BMX pedals, too, and have converted all of my bikes over to 'em - mainly because of foot pain issues, though, associated with cleated shoes. But as far as quality is concerned (and maybe Jim over at Hiawatha can jump in here to confirm) BMX pedals are all across the board. Cheaper ones do have cheap and rougher feeling bearings. But you can pay over a hundred dollars for some that are very light weight, made from alloy, with much more refined bearings - and with smaller, less protruding pins, too. On Nov 14, 11:52 am, RonaTD teddur...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Because a lot of Riv discussion seems to focus on pedaling free and finding the perfect pedal for doing so, is there some reason BMX-style pedals aren't more frequently considered? The biggest issues I think people have with BMX pedals are weight and cornering clearance. Obviously, the wider the pedal, the less the cornering clearance. Grant tries to address that with the shape of the GripKing, but inevitably a pedal with sufficient corner clearance will feel narrow to someone who's ridden on something wider. The right pedal width depends very much on the shoes you are wearing. For example, I have some Tioga pedals that are fairly narrow (and lovely light). They work great with my Allen Edmonds Mitchell business casual shoes, pretty well with my Salomon trail runners, but no so great with Tevas. Teva sandals tend to have a very wide forefoot that requires you to move your feet farther away from the crank arm, so they require a pretty wide pedal. An issue I have with MKS pedals in general is that the bearing bulges are too prominent and ruin the shoe-pedal interface. The lovely Sidi touring shoes I have, for example, are useless on MKS touring pedals. The RMX sneaker pedals are a notable exception and are fabulous with Tevas. Bottom line for me is that you need to consider both the shoe and the pedal together. Wider pedals will work with a broader range of shoes, but at the cost of corner clearance and weight. This being the RBW list, those might not be such big issues for you. However, if you ride a fixed gear, corner clearance should be a concern. td- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
The four things I dislike about the typical BMX pedal solution are, in decending order of importance: 1. You can't easily modify them. Whatever the size and shape of the platform is, that's all it will ever be. If it's perfect, then you're set. If it's not, put them in the parts box and try again. I like being able to modify my own stuff to make it just right. I'm a former mechanic, a mechanical engineer, and an avid DIY guy, so fabricating, personalizing and otherwise modifying my own stuff is something that I enjoy doing and that I think about often. In my brain I have at least a half-dozen concepts for things that I'll change, build or design in my mind. Sometimes I admit it's just to see if I can make something that maybe is 'good-enough' to be just a little bit better. In particular with Freeride pedals, if they are too wide, there is no way to make them less wide. 2. Cost. I like the $27 price point of the sneaker. I don't think it's a good value to spend $80 to $100 for something that I can't modify. Tioga Spyders for example, seem to narrow side to side, and there is no easy way to change that. The Grip Kings at $55 were easy to change. 3. Looks. It's vain, I know, but the BMX/freeride pedals just don't look good to me. 4. Riv doesn't sell them. This is the least important one, but as somebody who has rarely paid retail for bike parts, I try to divert as many of my retail bike dollars towards Riv as possible. I helped run a small bike shop that was the barely sustainable living wage for about 20 people and I remember how stressful and financially challenging that was, so I try to do my part to figure out as many ways as possible to spend the dollars at Riv. Don't get me wrong. If I know I want part X and they only have part D and G, I'll go buy part X wherever I have to buy it. On Nov 15, 7:48 am, Travis travisbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on Wellgo MG-1's. They are sort of the go to, best value, lightish bmx/mtb pedal. I just got a pair a couple of days ago. My concerns were similar to the OP's. The MG-1's are plenty grippy, but you could file down or remove extra grip pegs if you get hot spots, without permanently altering the pedal. As far as cornering clearance goes, you may not want to use these on a fixed gear bike, but I haven't had any problems with my freewheel bike - and I should mention the reason I went to platforms and then wider platforms was because my frame has such a low bottom bracket that using clips and straps was intolerable in city traffic (terrible grinding on every first stroke after starting from a stop) - I built the frame myself and did not anticipate this. Anyway, even though you'd think cornering clearance would be a big problem for me, it is not. I also own a modern racing bike with which I love to pedal through tight turns and push my luck, but on my comfy steel ride I have no problem coasting through sharp turns. I think the main reason BMX style pedals are not considered more often is because they just don't look as elegant on our bikes as we'd like - but hey, find some big, silver platforms that look halfway decent and I bet you're distaste will melt away with the comfort and ease of use. Best, Travis in NYC On Nov 14, 8:34 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Right now, my winter bike has the MKS sneaker pedals which work, but will probably switch to one of the BMX pedals sitting around for better grip with winter boots. The RMX can get slippery in wet/snowy conditions. However, do like the reflectors for riding after dark. Agree with George, BMX pedals can be all over the board. Happen to know that Jim Thill has recently built a bike with Tioga Spider pedals that look promising for weight and cornering clearance. BTW, the Wellgo pedals look like the old Shimano MX pedals. One of the early great mountain bike pedals. They are available in a modern version, although the price is not cheap. Now, a modern version of the old Suntour Beartrap would be about perfect. Cartridge bearing, very grippy surface. Then again, my wife has scars on her leg from an ill-timed pedal slip. So maybe not the best? (At least they were safer than the Cook Bros. Those were sharp. Literally.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Nov 14, 6:53 pm, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: I like BMX pedals, too, and have converted all of my bikes over to 'em - mainly because of foot pain issues, though, associated with cleated shoes. But as far as quality is concerned (and maybe Jim over at Hiawatha can jump in here to confirm) BMX pedals are all across the board. Cheaper ones do have cheap and rougher feeling bearings. But you can pay over a hundred dollars for some that are very light weight, made from alloy, with much more refined bearings - and with smaller, less protruding pins, too. On Nov 14, 11:52 am, RonaTD teddur...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Because a lot of
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
Those MG-1's are pretty slick. Maybe I'll give them a try someday. On Nov 15, 7:48 am, Travis travisbreitenb...@gmail.com wrote: +1 on Wellgo MG-1's. They are sort of the go to, best value, lightish bmx/mtb pedal. I just got a pair a couple of days ago. My concerns were similar to the OP's. The MG-1's are plenty grippy, but you could file down or remove extra grip pegs if you get hot spots, without permanently altering the pedal. As far as cornering clearance goes, you may not want to use these on a fixed gear bike, but I haven't had any problems with my freewheel bike - and I should mention the reason I went to platforms and then wider platforms was because my frame has such a low bottom bracket that using clips and straps was intolerable in city traffic (terrible grinding on every first stroke after starting from a stop) - I built the frame myself and did not anticipate this. Anyway, even though you'd think cornering clearance would be a big problem for me, it is not. I also own a modern racing bike with which I love to pedal through tight turns and push my luck, but on my comfy steel ride I have no problem coasting through sharp turns. I think the main reason BMX style pedals are not considered more often is because they just don't look as elegant on our bikes as we'd like - but hey, find some big, silver platforms that look halfway decent and I bet you're distaste will melt away with the comfort and ease of use. Best, Travis in NYC On Nov 14, 8:34 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Right now, my winter bike has the MKS sneaker pedals which work, but will probably switch to one of the BMX pedals sitting around for better grip with winter boots. The RMX can get slippery in wet/snowy conditions. However, do like the reflectors for riding after dark. Agree with George, BMX pedals can be all over the board. Happen to know that Jim Thill has recently built a bike with Tioga Spider pedals that look promising for weight and cornering clearance. BTW, the Wellgo pedals look like the old Shimano MX pedals. One of the early great mountain bike pedals. They are available in a modern version, although the price is not cheap. Now, a modern version of the old Suntour Beartrap would be about perfect. Cartridge bearing, very grippy surface. Then again, my wife has scars on her leg from an ill-timed pedal slip. So maybe not the best? (At least they were safer than the Cook Bros. Those were sharp. Literally.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Nov 14, 6:53 pm, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: I like BMX pedals, too, and have converted all of my bikes over to 'em - mainly because of foot pain issues, though, associated with cleated shoes. But as far as quality is concerned (and maybe Jim over at Hiawatha can jump in here to confirm) BMX pedals are all across the board. Cheaper ones do have cheap and rougher feeling bearings. But you can pay over a hundred dollars for some that are very light weight, made from alloy, with much more refined bearings - and with smaller, less protruding pins, too. On Nov 14, 11:52 am, RonaTD teddur...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Because a lot of Riv discussion seems to focus on pedaling free and finding the perfect pedal for doing so, is there some reason BMX-style pedals aren't more frequently considered? The biggest issues I think people have with BMX pedals are weight and cornering clearance. Obviously, the wider the pedal, the less the cornering clearance. Grant tries to address that with the shape of the GripKing, but inevitably a pedal with sufficient corner clearance will feel narrow to someone who's ridden on something wider. The right pedal width depends very much on the shoes you are wearing. For example, I have some Tioga pedals that are fairly narrow (and lovely light). They work great with my Allen Edmonds Mitchell business casual shoes, pretty well with my Salomon trail runners, but no so great with Tevas. Teva sandals tend to have a very wide forefoot that requires you to move your feet farther away from the crank arm, so they require a pretty wide pedal. An issue I have with MKS pedals in general is that the bearing bulges are too prominent and ruin the shoe-pedal interface. The lovely Sidi touring shoes I have, for example, are useless on MKS touring pedals. The RMX sneaker pedals are a notable exception and are fabulous with Tevas. Bottom line for me is that you need to consider both the shoe and the pedal together. Wider pedals will work with a broader range of shoes, but at the cost of corner clearance and weight. This being the RBW list, those might not be such big issues for you. However, if you ride a fixed gear, corner clearance should be a concern. td- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed
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William wrote: Those MG-1's are pretty slick. Maybe I'll give them a try someday. --- A couple of weeks before this thread took up, we bought our first pair of BMX pedals, then our second. A friend suggested BMX pedals to improve foot control on my ATB, so I replaced older Deore rat-trap mountain pedals with the Wellgo B-76. I have delighted at how well my feet now stay where I put them. My wife rode my bike and wanted similar pedals for her townie, so I bought Wellgo MG-1's for her -- bright yellow, of course, to match cable housings, grips, bell, and decals. The cast magnesium MG-1 is noticeably lighter in the hand than the machined aluminum B-76, but I notice no weight difference while riding. Both models are quite wide, but they live on high-BB bikes ridden by the risk-averse, so pedal strike is not a practical worry. It's true they're not easily modified, save the addition or removal of pins -- again, not a real drawback for me. We both consider these pedals significant improvements for relatively little money. -- Jon Papa Grant, in chilly, damp Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
I use Atomlab Trail Kings, designed by Marvin Loetterlie, on my BMX bike and now on my bombadil, too. http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=1690 http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029...@n07/4177613378/ They're extremely low-profile (thin) and the newer models are even thinner.I haven't tried the newer model, because I can't believe they'd feel any better than the original Trail Kings, although they do look nice: new ones: http://bmx-bike.org.uk/product/9/6847/Atomlab-Trailking-Pedals.html I think worrying about reduced pedal-strike clearance (during cornering) due to wide pedals is kind of silly. Either don't pedal through corners, or know your clearance limits really well and you'll be fine. I think you can get along great by keeping my inside pedal up / not pedaling on the fastsharp turns. On Nov 15, 12:41 pm, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: William wrote: Those MG-1's are pretty slick. Maybe I'll give them a try someday. --- A couple of weeks before this thread took up, we bought our first pair of BMX pedals, then our second. A friend suggested BMX pedals to improve foot control on my ATB, so I replaced older Deore rat-trap mountain pedals with the Wellgo B-76. I have delighted at how well my feet now stay where I put them. My wife rode my bike and wanted similar pedals for her townie, so I bought Wellgo MG-1's for her -- bright yellow, of course, to match cable housings, grips, bell, and decals. The cast magnesium MG-1 is noticeably lighter in the hand than the machined aluminum B-76, but I notice no weight difference while riding. Both models are quite wide, but they live on high-BB bikes ridden by the risk-averse, so pedal strike is not a practical worry. It's true they're not easily modified, save the addition or removal of pins -- again, not a real drawback for me. We both consider these pedals significant improvements for relatively little money. -- Jon Papa Grant, in chilly, damp Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Oh yeah, and another +1 on the MG-1's. For the money, they are among the best pedals you can buy IMHO. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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Those Trailkings look nice. Violates all four of my reasons for not liking BMX style pedals above, but still, they look pretty nice. My favorite part is that your link also shows that you can buy all the important replacement parts which is a HUGE plus in my book. Circlips, bearings, dustcaps, axles. Double thumbs up for that. But $110 plus shipping to get started is kind of steep. If you know ahead of time you'll love them, never want to change them, and use them for 5 years, then $125 is arguably a bargain. On Nov 15, 11:16 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I use Atomlab Trail Kings, designed by Marvin Loetterlie, on my BMX bike and now on my bombadil, too. http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=1690http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029...@n07/4177613378/ They're extremely low-profile (thin) and the newer models are even thinner. I haven't tried the newer model, because I can't believe they'd feel any better than the original Trail Kings, although they do look nice: new ones:http://bmx-bike.org.uk/product/9/6847/Atomlab-Trailking-Pedals.html I think worrying about reduced pedal-strike clearance (during cornering) due to wide pedals is kind of silly. Either don't pedal through corners, or know your clearance limits really well and you'll be fine. I think you can get along great by keeping my inside pedal up / not pedaling on the fastsharp turns. On Nov 15, 12:41 pm, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: William wrote: Those MG-1's are pretty slick. Maybe I'll give them a try someday. --- A couple of weeks before this thread took up, we bought our first pair of BMX pedals, then our second. A friend suggested BMX pedals to improve foot control on my ATB, so I replaced older Deore rat-trap mountain pedals with the Wellgo B-76. I have delighted at how well my feet now stay where I put them. My wife rode my bike and wanted similar pedals for her townie, so I bought Wellgo MG-1's for her -- bright yellow, of course, to match cable housings, grips, bell, and decals. The cast magnesium MG-1 is noticeably lighter in the hand than the machined aluminum B-76, but I notice no weight difference while riding. Both models are quite wide, but they live on high-BB bikes ridden by the risk-averse, so pedal strike is not a practical worry. It's true they're not easily modified, save the addition or removal of pins -- again, not a real drawback for me. We both consider these pedals significant improvements for relatively little money. -- Jon Papa Grant, in chilly, damp Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
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[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
I agree that most pedals are either too short or too narrow, but BMX pedals fix that. BMX pedals for me. Wellgo MG-1's. I have 4 sets of them. They don't have to be super heavy either, if that bothers someone, the MG-1's have a magnesium body, 300-some grams. Large platform, great grip, reliable. I bought silver ones on ebay from the seller Abaxo. Who knows why people choose the pedals they do. The term BMX puts off many I suppose. A pedal is a pedal though, who cares how it's labeled get whatever works for the feet. I know I know . people care about the looks. Silly really, when do you ever look at your pedals? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
Ray, I have been using Crank Brothers 50/50's for years and more recently some of those sealed bearing magnesium ones and they are great. A wide pedal is what I need for my wide feet/shoes rather than long front to back. I never have problems cornering either but then I think before turning and keep my inside pedal up. BMX pedals don't often have that classic polished look but it seems it would be easy enough to make a retro looking polished pedal that was wide with traction pins. Maybe an updated version of the old bear claw design but shiny. On Nov 14, 9:15 am, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Good question, Dave. I've wondered the same thing. In fact, it appears that many of the BMX pedals are ideally suited right out of the box and require no mod's at all. I am not one who praises the Grip King. I have used it extensively, but I don't find it ideal at all. It has many short-comings that an off-the-shelf BMX pedal fixes from the get-go. In fact, I prefer the MKS Touring to the GKs. Let's see what the responses are. From: Dave Faller davefaller...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 8:34:35 AM Subject: [RBW] Question about types of platform pedals I've been wondering... Because a lot of Riv discussion seems to focus on pedaling free and finding the perfect pedal for doing so, is there some reason BMX-style pedals aren't more frequently considered? I use the MKS RMX Sneaker pedals, as do many of you, but I've often wondered about why so many riders find their pedals to be either too short or not wide enough, yet BMX pedals don't seem to be the preferred solution to either issue. There are some very well made and decent looking BMX pedals on the market that look like they would solve all the shortcomings of MKS, Grip Kings, etc. Thoughts or experiences, anyone? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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I've tried all three MKS pedals that Riv currently sells--GKs, Touring, and Sneaker. Over the past couple of months I've rotated around the various pedals on different bikes for different kinds of riding--touring, long day rides, commuting, mixed terrain rides and even a 200k brevet. All worked well but I think my favorite are the Sneaker pedals. While a lot of BMX pedals have better bearings than the MKS Seakers, the Sneakers are priced really well and I like getting stuff through Riv when possible. I feel like I'm still trying to find the right shoe. For rides up to 50 miles my Vans work just fine but for longer rides I seem to develop little hot spots from the grip pins on the Sneaker pedals. I've ridden a bit in Tevas like Grant uses and they work well enough but are just a bit wide for my pedaling style. It may be that I just need to use some insoles to stiffen them up. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
Because a lot of Riv discussion seems to focus on pedaling free and finding the perfect pedal for doing so, is there some reason BMX-style pedals aren't more frequently considered? The biggest issues I think people have with BMX pedals are weight and cornering clearance. Obviously, the wider the pedal, the less the cornering clearance. Grant tries to address that with the shape of the GripKing, but inevitably a pedal with sufficient corner clearance will feel narrow to someone who's ridden on something wider. The right pedal width depends very much on the shoes you are wearing. For example, I have some Tioga pedals that are fairly narrow (and lovely light). They work great with my Allen Edmonds Mitchell business casual shoes, pretty well with my Salomon trail runners, but no so great with Tevas. Teva sandals tend to have a very wide forefoot that requires you to move your feet farther away from the crank arm, so they require a pretty wide pedal. An issue I have with MKS pedals in general is that the bearing bulges are too prominent and ruin the shoe-pedal interface. The lovely Sidi touring shoes I have, for example, are useless on MKS touring pedals. The RMX sneaker pedals are a notable exception and are fabulous with Tevas. Bottom line for me is that you need to consider both the shoe and the pedal together. Wider pedals will work with a broader range of shoes, but at the cost of corner clearance and weight. This being the RBW list, those might not be such big issues for you. However, if you ride a fixed gear, corner clearance should be a concern. td -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
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I am going to pick up some RMX pedals from the bike shop right now (special ordered them). My favorite pedals ever (perhaps the RMX will be better) are something similar to these Wellgos: http://pnkn.ws/9J3mig I used to have them on my bike but transferred them to the lady's bike. Mine are actually lower end and have non-removable pins. They work amazingly with great traction and lateral support. The RMX don't have the pins so I'm a little worried that I'll be less than in love. We'll see. -Justin On Nov 14, 12:51 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I've tried all three MKS pedals that Riv currently sells--GKs, Touring, and Sneaker. Over the past couple of months I've rotated around the various pedals on different bikes for different kinds of riding--touring, long day rides, commuting, mixed terrain rides and even a 200k brevet. All worked well but I think my favorite are the Sneaker pedals. While a lot of BMX pedals have better bearings than the MKS Seakers, the Sneakers are priced really well and I like getting stuff through Riv when possible. I feel like I'm still trying to find the right shoe. For rides up to 50 miles my Vans work just fine but for longer rides I seem to develop little hot spots from the grip pins on the Sneaker pedals. I've ridden a bit in Tevas like Grant uses and they work well enough but are just a bit wide for my pedaling style. It may be that I just need to use some insoles to stiffen them up. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
Cyclofiend Translation Services Initiated! When Jim says 5/8, he means 9/16 Cyclofiend Translation Services Terminated! On Nov 14, 10:18 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 11/14/10 8:34 AM, Dave Faller at davefaller...@gmail.com wrote: I've been wondering... Because a lot of Riv discussion seems to focus on pedaling free and finding the perfect pedal for doing so, is there some reason BMX-style pedals aren't more frequently considered? I use the MKS RMX Sneaker pedals, as do many of you, but I've often wondered about why so many riders find their pedals to be either too short or not wide enough, yet BMX pedals don't seem to be the preferred solution to either issue. There are some very well made and decent looking BMX pedals on the market that look like they would solve all the shortcomings of MKS, Grip Kings, etc. Thoughts or experiences, anyone? One thing to be aware of is that BMX standard is 1/2 thread, rather than the road/mountain standard of 5/8. Many models are made with both spindle types, but they are not compatible. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com I thought the idea was to waste the rest of our lives together.. -- Cyril, Breaking Away -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
Maybe you can shorten the pin/pins to reduce the hot spots. I ride my BMX style pin pedals with my Tevas, New Balance hiking shoes, Duck boots (when its raining hard), Red Wing western style boots and my dress shoes. I've found that on longer rides, no matter what I do, I get some discomfort in my feet. This doesn't happen until about mile 35 or 40 depending on the temperatures and the amount of climbing. Lately I just get off the bike and rest.this seems to eliminate the foot problems. I'm starting to realize that my personal limit is about 25-35 miles at a time without a decent break before discomfort sets in. Were I younger and slimmer I could probably extend that to 40-60 miles but IMHO beyond these limits riding becomes a grind instead of an enjoyable experience. I mean exercise is great but I think we cyclists can get obsessed with high mileage and super hard efforts to the point that it is counter productive to health in general. Grants musings on exercise and diet have made me think of the value of exercise as it pertains to health rather than competition which is were the focus seems to be amongst bicyclers in general. The idea of taking your time, riding a little slower, taking more breaks to vary the way you body works and generally enjoying the ride more seems more like how I want to ride these days. Wearing regular clothing and shoes and adapting my bike and riding style has helped me achieve this style of riding that I think many people around the world already do naturally. I'm leaning this way and as a result I am finding that my equipment choices have slowly changed over the last few years. On Nov 14, 9:51 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I've tried all three MKS pedals that Riv currently sells--GKs, Touring, and Sneaker. Over the past couple of months I've rotated around the various pedals on different bikes for different kinds of riding--touring, long day rides, commuting, mixed terrain rides and even a 200k brevet. All worked well but I think my favorite are the Sneaker pedals. While a lot of BMX pedals have better bearings than the MKS Seakers, the Sneakers are priced really well and I like getting stuff through Riv when possible. I feel like I'm still trying to find the right shoe. For rides up to 50 miles my Vans work just fine but for longer rides I seem to develop little hot spots from the grip pins on the Sneaker pedals. I've ridden a bit in Tevas like Grant uses and they work well enough but are just a bit wide for my pedaling style. It may be that I just need to use some insoles to stiffen them up. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
I have cheap BMX pedals on the Sam that came with our mtn tandem. The bearings are so bad that one of them indexes, but who cares. The reason I may change them is pedal strike. I like pedaling through turns in traffic, as I like passing cars. :) That said, pedal strike has not caused any adverse effects other than wearing down the cheap pedal. My heart doesn't even skip. Has anyone on this list actually crashed because of pedal strike, or know someone who has (on a single)? Gernot On Nov 15, 4:39 am, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Maybe you can shorten the pin/pins to reduce the hot spots. I ride my BMX style pin pedals with my Tevas, New Balance hiking shoes, Duck boots (when its raining hard), Red Wing western style boots and my dress shoes. I've found that on longer rides, no matter what I do, I get some discomfort in my feet. This doesn't happen until about mile 35 or 40 depending on the temperatures and the amount of climbing. Lately I just get off the bike and rest.this seems to eliminate the foot problems. I'm starting to realize that my personal limit is about 25-35 miles at a time without a decent break before discomfort sets in. Were I younger and slimmer I could probably extend that to 40-60 miles but IMHO beyond these limits riding becomes a grind instead of an enjoyable experience. I mean exercise is great but I think we cyclists can get obsessed with high mileage and super hard efforts to the point that it is counter productive to health in general. Grants musings on exercise and diet have made me think of the value of exercise as it pertains to health rather than competition which is were the focus seems to be amongst bicyclers in general. The idea of taking your time, riding a little slower, taking more breaks to vary the way you body works and generally enjoying the ride more seems more like how I want to ride these days. Wearing regular clothing and shoes and adapting my bike and riding style has helped me achieve this style of riding that I think many people around the world already do naturally. I'm leaning this way and as a result I am finding that my equipment choices have slowly changed over the last few years. On Nov 14, 9:51 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I've tried all three MKS pedals that Riv currently sells--GKs, Touring, and Sneaker. Over the past couple of months I've rotated around the various pedals on different bikes for different kinds of riding--touring, long day rides, commuting, mixed terrain rides and even a 200k brevet. All worked well but I think my favorite are the Sneaker pedals. While a lot of BMX pedals have better bearings than the MKS Seakers, the Sneakers are priced really well and I like getting stuff through Riv when possible. I feel like I'm still trying to find the right shoe. For rides up to 50 miles my Vans work just fine but for longer rides I seem to develop little hot spots from the grip pins on the Sneaker pedals. I've ridden a bit in Tevas like Grant uses and they work well enough but are just a bit wide for my pedaling style. It may be that I just need to use some insoles to stiffen them up. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
I've fallen over with slow-speed pedal strike on a fixed gear. Turning across a speed bump. No damage. I've also smacked a pedal hard enough in a turn to lift the rear end of the bike and jack up an internal gear hub. Scuffed crank arms, lost dustcaps, broken pedals. Just the one fall, though. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Nov 14, 2:16 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: I have cheap BMX pedals on the Sam that came with our mtn tandem. The bearings are so bad that one of them indexes, but who cares. The reason I may change them is pedal strike. I like pedaling through turns in traffic, as I like passing cars. :) That said, pedal strike has not caused any adverse effects other than wearing down the cheap pedal. My heart doesn't even skip. Has anyone on this list actually crashed because of pedal strike, or know someone who has (on a single)? Gernot On Nov 15, 4:39 am, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Maybe you can shorten the pin/pins to reduce the hot spots. I ride my BMX style pin pedals with my Tevas, New Balance hiking shoes, Duck boots (when its raining hard), Red Wing western style boots and my dress shoes. I've found that on longer rides, no matter what I do, I get some discomfort in my feet. This doesn't happen until about mile 35 or 40 depending on the temperatures and the amount of climbing. Lately I just get off the bike and rest.this seems to eliminate the foot problems. I'm starting to realize that my personal limit is about 25-35 miles at a time without a decent break before discomfort sets in. Were I younger and slimmer I could probably extend that to 40-60 miles but IMHO beyond these limits riding becomes a grind instead of an enjoyable experience. I mean exercise is great but I think we cyclists can get obsessed with high mileage and super hard efforts to the point that it is counter productive to health in general. Grants musings on exercise and diet have made me think of the value of exercise as it pertains to health rather than competition which is were the focus seems to be amongst bicyclers in general. The idea of taking your time, riding a little slower, taking more breaks to vary the way you body works and generally enjoying the ride more seems more like how I want to ride these days. Wearing regular clothing and shoes and adapting my bike and riding style has helped me achieve this style of riding that I think many people around the world already do naturally. I'm leaning this way and as a result I am finding that my equipment choices have slowly changed over the last few years. On Nov 14, 9:51 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: I've tried all three MKS pedals that Riv currently sells--GKs, Touring, and Sneaker. Over the past couple of months I've rotated around the various pedals on different bikes for different kinds of riding--touring, long day rides, commuting, mixed terrain rides and even a 200k brevet. All worked well but I think my favorite are the Sneaker pedals. While a lot of BMX pedals have better bearings than the MKS Seakers, the Sneakers are priced really well and I like getting stuff through Riv when possible. I feel like I'm still trying to find the right shoe. For rides up to 50 miles my Vans work just fine but for longer rides I seem to develop little hot spots from the grip pins on the Sneaker pedals. I've ridden a bit in Tevas like Grant uses and they work well enough but are just a bit wide for my pedaling style. It may be that I just need to use some insoles to stiffen them up. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
I like BMX pedals, too, and have converted all of my bikes over to 'em - mainly because of foot pain issues, though, associated with cleated shoes. But as far as quality is concerned (and maybe Jim over at Hiawatha can jump in here to confirm) BMX pedals are all across the board. Cheaper ones do have cheap and rougher feeling bearings. But you can pay over a hundred dollars for some that are very light weight, made from alloy, with much more refined bearings - and with smaller, less protruding pins, too. On Nov 14, 11:52 am, RonaTD teddur...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Because a lot of Riv discussion seems to focus on pedaling free and finding the perfect pedal for doing so, is there some reason BMX-style pedals aren't more frequently considered? The biggest issues I think people have with BMX pedals are weight and cornering clearance. Obviously, the wider the pedal, the less the cornering clearance. Grant tries to address that with the shape of the GripKing, but inevitably a pedal with sufficient corner clearance will feel narrow to someone who's ridden on something wider. The right pedal width depends very much on the shoes you are wearing. For example, I have some Tioga pedals that are fairly narrow (and lovely light). They work great with my Allen Edmonds Mitchell business casual shoes, pretty well with my Salomon trail runners, but no so great with Tevas. Teva sandals tend to have a very wide forefoot that requires you to move your feet farther away from the crank arm, so they require a pretty wide pedal. An issue I have with MKS pedals in general is that the bearing bulges are too prominent and ruin the shoe-pedal interface. The lovely Sidi touring shoes I have, for example, are useless on MKS touring pedals. The RMX sneaker pedals are a notable exception and are fabulous with Tevas. Bottom line for me is that you need to consider both the shoe and the pedal together. Wider pedals will work with a broader range of shoes, but at the cost of corner clearance and weight. This being the RBW list, those might not be such big issues for you. However, if you ride a fixed gear, corner clearance should be a concern. td -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Question about types of platform pedals
Right now, my winter bike has the MKS sneaker pedals which work, but will probably switch to one of the BMX pedals sitting around for better grip with winter boots. The RMX can get slippery in wet/snowy conditions. However, do like the reflectors for riding after dark. Agree with George, BMX pedals can be all over the board. Happen to know that Jim Thill has recently built a bike with Tioga Spider pedals that look promising for weight and cornering clearance. BTW, the Wellgo pedals look like the old Shimano MX pedals. One of the early great mountain bike pedals. They are available in a modern version, although the price is not cheap. Now, a modern version of the old Suntour Beartrap would be about perfect. Cartridge bearing, very grippy surface. Then again, my wife has scars on her leg from an ill-timed pedal slip. So maybe not the best? (At least they were safer than the Cook Bros. Those were sharp. Literally.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Nov 14, 6:53 pm, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: I like BMX pedals, too, and have converted all of my bikes over to 'em - mainly because of foot pain issues, though, associated with cleated shoes. But as far as quality is concerned (and maybe Jim over at Hiawatha can jump in here to confirm) BMX pedals are all across the board. Cheaper ones do have cheap and rougher feeling bearings. But you can pay over a hundred dollars for some that are very light weight, made from alloy, with much more refined bearings - and with smaller, less protruding pins, too. On Nov 14, 11:52 am, RonaTD teddur...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Because a lot of Riv discussion seems to focus on pedaling free and finding the perfect pedal for doing so, is there some reason BMX-style pedals aren't more frequently considered? The biggest issues I think people have with BMX pedals are weight and cornering clearance. Obviously, the wider the pedal, the less the cornering clearance. Grant tries to address that with the shape of the GripKing, but inevitably a pedal with sufficient corner clearance will feel narrow to someone who's ridden on something wider. The right pedal width depends very much on the shoes you are wearing. For example, I have some Tioga pedals that are fairly narrow (and lovely light). They work great with my Allen Edmonds Mitchell business casual shoes, pretty well with my Salomon trail runners, but no so great with Tevas. Teva sandals tend to have a very wide forefoot that requires you to move your feet farther away from the crank arm, so they require a pretty wide pedal. An issue I have with MKS pedals in general is that the bearing bulges are too prominent and ruin the shoe-pedal interface. The lovely Sidi touring shoes I have, for example, are useless on MKS touring pedals. The RMX sneaker pedals are a notable exception and are fabulous with Tevas. Bottom line for me is that you need to consider both the shoe and the pedal together. Wider pedals will work with a broader range of shoes, but at the cost of corner clearance and weight. This being the RBW list, those might not be such big issues for you. However, if you ride a fixed gear, corner clearance should be a concern. td- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
