[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Carla Waugh]

Your bike is beautiful!

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[WETH]

Those fenders came out nicely!  You are right about the silky feel of a new 
drivetrain!  Beautiful bike. Congrats!

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Dave, Shoji, Erl and Steve!



First commute on the re-built Saluki this morning went great. Glorious 
weather, a warm afternoon but I had a late work release anyway.  The bike 
did great, the fenders and Bruce Gordon racks were flawless.  I'm pretty 
stoked about the build and bummed I won't be able to ride in the next two 
days. Friday here I come!

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/back-in-saddle.html




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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Lungimsam]

Impressive!! That was a fast build!!
I am always impressed by people who can full wrench on their bikes. So 
cool! 

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Shoji Takahashi]

Looks great, Tony. Enjoy the ride!
shoji


On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 5:55:46 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> Back on the road!  More to do, especially the fenders, racks and dyno 
> lighting but I'm going for a quick ride and doing some Happy Hour to ring 
> in the Memorial Day weekend.  Enjoy everyone, happy riding this weekend!
>
> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/rolling-again.html
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[WETH]

This is a beautiful weekend to ride it.  Congrats.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/22/2015 05:55 PM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:




Back on the road!  More to do, especially the fenders, racks and dyno 
lighting but I'm going for a quick ride and doing some Happy Hour to 
ring in the Memorial Day weekend.  Enjoy everyone, happy riding this 
weekend!


http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/rolling-again.html



Good job, Tony!


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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Back on the road!  More to do, especially the fenders, racks and dyno 
lighting but I'm going for a quick ride and doing some Happy Hour to ring 
in the Memorial Day weekend.  Enjoy everyone, happy riding this weekend!

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/rolling-again.html


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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Deacon Patrick]

The bottle cage is always the hardest part of the build! Grin. I look 
forward to seeing the build and more forward to ride reports and photos and 
exploits! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Lungimsam]

Congrats on getting the frame back, Tony!
 Wow! Are those dyno light wire braze-ons from RBW, or did you get them 
brazed on while they were repairing the fork?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Bill!

Your ears must have been burning I was just thinking about you as I was
loading the XO-3 into the stand to donate some of it's parts to the Saluki
rebuild!  Never fear it will be built back up - back to M-bar's I think.
The Saluki should get a test roll around the neighborhood later tonight.
I've got the HS, BB, crankset and brake calipers installed so far...  once
I harvest the saddle/post, albatross bars and pedals off the XO-3 I'll be
back in business.

I held up the old fork (w/ the original nice green paint) up to the new one
a minute ago and they are pretty close actually.  Just that the new coat
has a dull finish instead of sparkling.

I'd love to see some pic's of the Purple People Eater sometime!

Tony



On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Bill  wrote:

> Looks mighty good. The green and cream brings back fond memories of a
> Saluki I once owned.  Now get it assembled and back on the road where it
> belongs. That first ride will suggest that you should sell all your other
> bikes and keep this one. That's what my Purple People Eater as someone
> calls it tells me every time I ride it.
>
> Bill "repeat Saluki offender" Eberle
> Columbus
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Bill]

Looks mighty good. The green and cream brings back fond memories of a Saluki I 
once owned.  Now get it assembled and back on the road where it belongs. That 
first ride will suggest that you should sell all your other bikes and keep this 
one. That's what my Purple People Eater as someone calls it tells me every time 
I ride it.

Bill "repeat Saluki offender" Eberle
Columbus

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Ginz]

I'm using a recessed nut on my M-12.  Going to loctite it when I get home.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Nice to have the bike back.  Pictures of the frame on my 
blog; http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-salukis-back.html .  I'm happy 
with the color and the semi-flat topcoat, I wish the lug window painting 
had a bit more care to it but I'll be able to touch that up myself.  I hung 
the first part on the frame before I got back to work this morning so the 
build is officially started!







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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Just confirmed the frame arrived at home today... Good thing I'm returning from 
a work trip tomorrow morning.  'New' bike day tomorrow!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/19/2015 01:45 PM, Minh wrote:

Hmm nylock bolt would have prevented this?

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 12:58:43 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

Yes, if you loose the fork crown bolt for some reason and your
rack is loaded the only place for it to go is forward/down onto
the wheel or onto the ground (depending on the strut length). 
Both of those have a fully enclosed hole on the fork crown tab

though.  The Berthoud had a curious feature where the fork crown
tab just had a 'U' to house the bolt.  With that 'U' it meant that
even a loose fork crown bolt and not full removal could result in
the rack falling forward.
Lot's of people have used that Berthoud rack w/o problems I'm
sure, I did for nearly a year.  If you check your hardware
pre-ride and add a safety like the Riv toe strap idea I think it's
probably good to go.
A Canti stud rack like the M-12 seems to have less potential for
something going wrong in my opinion.




This mishap was an installation failure, not a rack design issue.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Bobby, Tim and Minh!  It's going to be pretty sweet.  And yes
Loctite/nyloc will be used wherever applicable! :)

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:

> Glad you're OK, Tony... And if you're gonna build it, might as well do it
> RIGHT!!!  Those are some choice components...  Can't wait to see it back
> together.  BB
>
>
> On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/re-building-saluki-components-highlights.html
>>
>> Component glamour shots as I anxiously await my frame.  After almost 9
>> month's I should be less than 2 weeks away from getting the Saluki back out
>> on the trails here is the first of what should be several rapid fire
>> posts on the build.  Everything is ready and waiting so I expect to have
>> her rolling w/in 24hrs of receipt from the powdercoater.
>>
>> Today's ride to Port City Brewery in Alexandria on the Bombadil was the
>> perfect thing to keep my mind occupied though.  Great weather all around
>> here in DC lately and I'm looking forward to getting in several solid
>> commuting days this week.  More soon!
>>
>> Tony
>>
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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Montclair BobbyB]

Glad you're OK, Tony... And if you're gonna build it, might as well do it 
RIGHT!!!  Those are some choice components...  Can't wait to see it back 
together.  BB

On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>
> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/re-building-saluki-components-highlights.html
>
> Component glamour shots as I anxiously await my frame.  After almost 9 
> month's I should be less than 2 weeks away from getting the Saluki back out 
> on the trails here is the first of what should be several rapid fire 
> posts on the build.  Everything is ready and waiting so I expect to have 
> her rolling w/in 24hrs of receipt from the powdercoater.  
>
> Today's ride to Port City Brewery in Alexandria on the Bombadil was the 
> perfect thing to keep my mind occupied though.  Great weather all around 
> here in DC lately and I'm looking forward to getting in several solid 
> commuting days this week.  More soon!
>
> Tony
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Minh]

Hmm nylock bolt would have prevented this?

On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 12:58:43 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Yes, if you loose the fork crown bolt for some reason and your rack is 
> loaded the only place for it to go is forward/down onto the wheel or onto 
> the ground (depending on the strut length).  Both of those have a fully 
> enclosed hole on the fork crown tab though.  The Berthoud had a curious 
> feature where the fork crown tab just had a 'U' to house the bolt.  With 
> that 'U' it meant that even a loose fork crown bolt and not full removal 
> could result in the rack falling forward.
>  
> Lot's of people have used that Berthoud rack w/o problems I'm sure, I did 
> for nearly a year.  If you check your hardware pre-ride and add a safety 
> like the Riv toe strap idea I think it's probably good to go.  
>  
> A Canti stud rack like the M-12 seems to have less potential for something 
> going wrong in my opinion.
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tim Gavin]

Yes, there is little to go wrong with the M-12.  No moving parts.  It's the
cheapest Nitto front rack, while it's also strong and lovely.  It's a great
option where it fits, and the Sackville Trunksack Small is a perfect match.

Sorry to hear about your crash, Tony.

Tim

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

>
>
> A Canti stud rack like the M-12 seems to have less potential for something
> going wrong in my opinion.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Rod Holland 
> wrote:
>
>> Tony,
>>
>> Do you think the Nitto M-18 or Mark's Rack share this failure mode?
>>
>> rod
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Yes, if you loose the fork crown bolt for some reason and your rack is
loaded the only place for it to go is forward/down onto the wheel or onto
the ground (depending on the strut length).  Both of those have a fully
enclosed hole on the fork crown tab though.  The Berthoud had a curious
feature where the fork crown tab just had a 'U' to house the bolt.  With
that 'U' it meant that even a loose fork crown bolt and not full removal
could result in the rack falling forward.

Lot's of people have used that Berthoud rack w/o problems I'm sure, I did
for nearly a year.  If you check your hardware pre-ride and add a safety
like the Riv toe strap idea I think it's probably good to go.

A Canti stud rack like the M-12 seems to have less potential for something
going wrong in my opinion.



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> Tony,
>
> Do you think the Nitto M-18 or Mark's Rack share this failure mode?
>
> rod
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Rod Holland]

Tony,

Do you think the Nitto M-18 or Mark's Rack share this failure mode?

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

Blakcloud - I've seen that toe strap idea on Riv's site as well and think
it's a good one.  The Berthoud rack was kind of like a Nitto R-14 but for
the front so when it was no longer attached to the fork crown it naturally
was able to swing down/forward.  I'll not use one like that again.
Rigid/non-hinged support struts and a fork crown thru bolt that is integral
to the rack are requirements as far as I'm concerned now.  As for the
single ring, I'm going 8 speed in the back, cheap chains and cassettes,
easier friction shifting and I don't miss the extra gear.  I didn't notice
a problem w/ chain keeping once I went to the WI SS ring, it's not one of
the newer 'wide-narrow' versions but I'll probably skip the chain keeper
unless it becomes a problem.

Thanks Erl and Patrick!

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> Ouch! Glad you're OK. That strap idea is a good one.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Deacon Patrick]

Ouch! Glad you're OK. That strap idea is a good one.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[WETH]

Excellent news, Tony.  I look forward to seeing the build process unfold 
and eventually getting in a ride with you.

On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>
> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/re-building-saluki-components-highlights.html
>
> Component glamour shots as I anxiously await my frame.  After almost 9 
> month's I should be less than 2 weeks away from getting the Saluki back out 
> on the trails here is the first of what should be several rapid fire 
> posts on the build.  Everything is ready and waiting so I expect to have 
> her rolling w/in 24hrs of receipt from the powdercoater.  
>
> Today's ride to Port City Brewery in Alexandria on the Bombadil was the 
> perfect thing to keep my mind occupied though.  Great weather all around 
> here in DC lately and I'm looking forward to getting in several solid 
> commuting days this week.  More soon!
>
> Tony
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[blakcloud]

I am glad to hear you survived the accident. I had something similar with a 
fully loaded porteur rack with Wald basket break at the springboard. I was 
lucky and stayed upright as my bike was like a plow. Then I saw a trick on 
the Riv site of putting a toe strap around the rack and the head tube. This 
worked great when the springboard broke a second time and the strapped held 
it in place. At that point I got rid of both my porteur racks. 

As for your new build, I see you are using a single ring, are you going 
with nine in the back? Second question, are you going to use a chain keeper 
to minimize any chain drops of the front?

Looking forward to seeing your final build. 


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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Oh, wow!  Very glad it wasn't worse...


On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 6:21:57 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I had a fork crown bolt shear or loosen enough to allow my berthoud front 
> rack (with loaded Wald basket) fall forward and lock the front wheel... I 
> stopped instantly and went over the handlebars.  It collapsed the fork and 
> I ended up breaking a small elbow bone which healed quickly. 
>
> I got the frame checked out and aligned by Chris Bishop in Baltimore, then 
> got a new fork ordered from Riv (before they started selling all the forks 
> cheaply) and now I'm just waiting to get it back from the powder coaters so 
> I can reassemble.   
>
> I was pretty lucky, no other bikes or pedestrians were involved and I was 
> on a bike path not a busy street.  Keep an eye on your rack hardware! :) 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

I had a fork crown bolt shear or loosen enough to allow my berthoud front rack 
(with loaded Wald basket) fall forward and lock the front wheel... I stopped 
instantly and went over the handlebars.  It collapsed the fork and I ended up 
breaking a small elbow bone which healed quickly.

I got the frame checked out and aligned by Chris Bishop in Baltimore, then got 
a new fork ordered from Riv (before they started selling all the forks cheaply) 
and now I'm just waiting to get it back from the powder coaters so I can 
reassemble.  

I was pretty lucky, no other bikes or pedestrians were involved and I was on a 
bike path not a busy street.  Keep an eye on your rack hardware! :)

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[RBW] Re: Saluki on it's way back

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi Tony,

I don't remember your writing about your crash last year! Sounds bad... Or, 
at least, it sounds like the effect on the Saluki was bad. What happened 
(to you and to the Saluki)?

-- Liz



On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>
> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/re-building-saluki-components-highlights.html
>
> Component glamour shots as I anxiously await my frame.  After almost 9 
> month's I should be less than 2 weeks away from getting the Saluki back out 
> on the trails here is the first of what should be several rapid fire 
> posts on the build.  Everything is ready and waiting so I expect to have 
> her rolling w/in 24hrs of receipt from the powdercoater.  
>
> Today's ride to Port City Brewery in Alexandria on the Bombadil was the 
> perfect thing to keep my mind occupied though.  Great weather all around 
> here in DC lately and I'm looking forward to getting in several solid 
> commuting days this week.  More soon!
>
> Tony
>
>
>

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