Re: [RBW] Re: Trimming a Fender

2016-05-12 Thread Edwin W 
That, my friend, is slick!

IF you lived in my neighborhood I would learn a lot from you.

Gotta find a bolt supplier like that in Nashville,

Edwin

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 6:26:08 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin, 
> I used the diving board mount hole on the rack (and kept it functional).  
> Most important part here is a really good height measurement.  
> I replaced the diving board M5 with a longer M5 pan-head that reaches Just 
> under the fender (of course hole to clear M5 in fender).  
> Beneath the fender is a star lock washer and half-nut.  
> Above the fender is a leather washer, flat washer, star washer and 
> half-nut.  
> Below the diving board is a split lock washer and half nut.  
> Have to tighten all this with a pair of 8mm box-end wrenches.  
> It couldn't be more solid.  
>
> IMy office is near the airport, and the bolt supplier is 2 blocks away 
>  I've rigged kayaks and built bikes from there for years. Show up with a 
> list, and they fill your short order up to a handful of fasteners for $3, 
> which goes into the coffee fund.  Any size made (except maybe M7), any 
> style, they should have it.  
> Regards
>
> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 4:22:42 AM UTC-5, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>
>> Ron -
>> That's a pretty neat trick.  How did you do that?
>> Kevin
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Trimming a Fender

2016-05-12 Thread Ron Mc 
Hi Kevin, 
I used the diving board mount hole on the rack (and kept it functional).  
Most important part here is a really good height measurement.  
I replaced the diving board M5 with a longer M5 pan-head that reaches Just 
under the fender (of course hole to clear M5 in fender).  
Beneath the fender is a star lock washer and half-nut.  
Above the fender is a leather washer, flat washer, star washer and 
half-nut.  
Below the diving board is a split lock washer and half nut.  
Have to tighten all this with a pair of 8mm box-end wrenches.  
It couldn't be more solid.  

IMy office is near the airport, and the bolt supplier is 2 blocks away 
 I've rigged kayaks and built bikes from there for years. Show up with a 
list, and they fill your short order up to a handful of fasteners for $3, 
which goes into the coffee fund.  Any size made (except maybe M7), any 
style, they should have it.  
Regards

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 4:22:42 AM UTC-5, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Ron -
> That's a pretty neat trick.  How did you do that?
> Kevin
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Trimming a Fender

2016-05-12 Thread Kevin Lindsey 
Ron -
That's a pretty neat trick.  How did you do that?
Kevin

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 9:15:43 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
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> Do you have a front rack?  
>
>
> 
>  
> 
> Here is what I did with Honjos and my front rack
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Trimming a Fender

2016-05-11 Thread Ron Mc 
Do you have a front rack?  


 

Here is what I did with Honjos and my front rack

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Re: [RBW] Re: Trimming a Fender

2016-05-11 Thread Steve Palincsar 



On 05/11/2016 05:29 AM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
Thanks for the excellent feedback.  After reading the posts, I took 
another look at the fender set-up, and still can't really see what 
it's rattling against.  As far as I can tell, it clears the tire and 
front rack by good margins.  I tightened up all associated bolts and 
screws and will see if that makes a difference.


Have you looked at the sides of the fender where it fits through the 
fork?  When I installed the fenders I showed you yesterday on my George 
Longstaff, initially I had a hideous loud rattle that turned out to be 
just that, contact between the edges of the fender and the inside edges 
of the fork crown/fork blades.  It doesn't require a lot of clearance to 
prevent, but at that time I had zero.  With metal fenders, it doesn't 
take a lot of bending of the edges to fix a problem like that.



Next step, assuming I still have this problem, would be to try a 
variation on the idea of an extra stay, and find a way to attach the 
front end to my front rack and see whether that helps.


Rattle or no, if you can see waggling of the front edge of the fender 
you should do this anyway.   I have no idea if it's as lethal to plastic 
fenders as it is to metal ones, but it looks ugly and disturbing and 
it's worth a few bucks to fix it.



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[RBW] Re: Trimming a Fender

2016-05-11 Thread Kevin Lindsey 
Thanks for the excellent feedback.  After reading the posts, I took another 
look at the fender set-up, and still can't really see what it's rattling 
against.  As far as I can tell, it clears the tire and front rack by good 
margins.  I tightened up all associated bolts and screws and will see if 
that makes a difference.  Next step, assuming I still have this problem, 
would be to try a variation on the idea of an extra stay, and find a way to 
attach the front end to my front rack and see whether that helps.
To clarify the issue a bit: the fender is fine under most conditions.  It's 
only when I ride over rough stretches that it makes its noise.
All the best,
Kevin

On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 12:56:44 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Might as well put a front rack on the bike and attach front of fender to 
> it. You can carry stuff on the rack and hang a light on it to boot.

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[RBW] Re: Trimming a Fender

2016-05-10 Thread Lungimsam 
Might as well put a front rack on the bike and attach front of fender to it. 
You can carry stuff on the rack and hang a light on it to boot.

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[RBW] Re: Trimming a Fender

2016-05-10 Thread Brian Campbell 
Mine looks like this:






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[RBW] Re: Trimming a Fender

2016-05-10 Thread Michael Hechmer 
Flexibility is the achilies heel of plastic fenders.  I tend to avoid them. 
 The steel Bertoud fenders are far and away the rigid but the VO Al ones 
are pretty good too.  Are you sure you have them secure at the fork crown? 
 Attaching them to a front rack tends to make the whole thing more rigid.

Michael

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 1:00:42 PM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> I have my Hunq pretty nearly dialed in running perfectly.  The only sore 
> spot - and it's not much of one - is that the front SKS Longboard fender 
> rattles.  I've tried tightening it up, inserting a leather washer in the 
> hopes that it might dampen the vibrations, etc., and nothing really helps.  
> The problem seems to be that the distance from the fork attachment point to 
> the front tip of the fender is simply too long; any small vibration in the 
> fork (and there are lots of 'em) produces much greater vibrations at the 
> end of the fender, causing the front to rattle constantly.  Has anyone 
> tried trimming an SKS?  I'm thinking of lopping off about four inches up 
> front, but I'm also afraid that loss of that much fender would leave me 
> open to front tire spray.
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Kevin
>

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[RBW] Re: Trimming a Fender

2016-05-10 Thread Brian Campbell 
What width is the fender? Ben's cycle sells Berthoud fender stays/. You 
could buy one attach it to the front of the fender and use the eyelets on 
the top f the front drop out to secure it. I did that with my VO venders 
and it works great.

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 1:00:42 PM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> I have my Hunq pretty nearly dialed in running perfectly.  The only sore 
> spot - and it's not much of one - is that the front SKS Longboard fender 
> rattles.  I've tried tightening it up, inserting a leather washer in the 
> hopes that it might dampen the vibrations, etc., and nothing really helps.  
> The problem seems to be that the distance from the fork attachment point to 
> the front tip of the fender is simply too long; any small vibration in the 
> fork (and there are lots of 'em) produces much greater vibrations at the 
> end of the fender, causing the front to rattle constantly.  Has anyone 
> tried trimming an SKS?  I'm thinking of lopping off about four inches up 
> front, but I'm also afraid that loss of that much fender would leave me 
> open to front tire spray.
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Kevin
>

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[RBW] Re: Trimming a Fender

2016-05-10 Thread Bob B 
SKS chromoplastic fenders are easily trimmed with a pair of cutters and 
smoothed with a Dremel... That's how I do small tweaks to get it to fit 
between forks/stays without being bent or squished. A Dremel (or other 
rotary tool) will give you a lot of control to smooth it out and make it 
look neat. But the other problem is, I'm not sure whats actually making 
that rattle, though. I've never had that happen, nor have I ever needed to 
trim that front area of the fenders. do you have a front rack/basket that 
it's rattling against? Photos would help.



On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 1:00:42 PM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> I have my Hunq pretty nearly dialed in running perfectly.  The only sore 
> spot - and it's not much of one - is that the front SKS Longboard fender 
> rattles.  I've tried tightening it up, inserting a leather washer in the 
> hopes that it might dampen the vibrations, etc., and nothing really helps.  
> The problem seems to be that the distance from the fork attachment point to 
> the front tip of the fender is simply too long; any small vibration in the 
> fork (and there are lots of 'em) produces much greater vibrations at the 
> end of the fender, causing the front to rattle constantly.  Has anyone 
> tried trimming an SKS?  I'm thinking of lopping off about four inches up 
> front, but I'm also afraid that loss of that much fender would leave me 
> open to front tire spray.
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Kevin
>

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