Re: [RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Well, most people are going to buy a bike so they can ride with the
group of folks that they ride with or associate themselves with. If I
were (only) a fast club rider and wanted to use my bike for commuting
too, then I can understand the idea of getting a "light" bike.

What's not appreciated or generally known is that a "heavier" bike
like the Roadeo can perform just as well as a lighter carbon/Ti bike
because it can use supple wide tires that give significant speed and
comfort advantage over many skinnier tires.

Heck, a 17-lb Ti Seven bicycle is probably a darn good bike--not a
great commuter agreed, but I still prefer a Roadeo for its wider tire
capability/fenderability etc., but it's also not a great commuter. If
I only had one bike, then I could understand going this way. I'd put a
seatpost rack or a large saddle-sack on both to commute and use a
Mark's wrap or something similar for my club rides.

I like the idea of an Unracer "just rider" category too.  If we can
get a bunch of riders to associate with that group, then they can feel
good about buying great versatile bike that's comfortable to ride and
feel good about not always trying to go fast(est).

I think the Randonneur/long distance cyclist is probably what I
associate with most closely, and this group appreciates comfort and
versatility over weight much more than the "racer" category, so we are
attracted to Riv bikes. I am unapolegetically lycra and clipless, but
still feel a part of the Riv family.

Toshi in Oakland, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Anne Paulson]

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:55 AM, doc  wrote:

> "Sooner or later, we're all just old men in funny clothes."  T. Bone Wolk
>
>

Whaddaya mean WE, white man?

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[doc]

"Sooner or later, we're all just old men in funny clothes."  T. Bone Wolk

On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:31:07 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:

> I was poking around the RBW site last night and noticed there are some new 
> small items--Unracer pins, key fobs and magnets. I love the product 
> description which isn't so much a product description as an Unracering 
> battle cry. I don't think it's entirely serious but I like it. I'm sure 
> there are those who will get all fussy about it. Oh well. Check it out: 
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr71pin.htm
>
> mike
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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Ron Mc]

ps - and people who really want to race should be riding racing bikes

On Friday, May 31, 2013 7:30:08 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I liked in the podcast interview, Grant reinforcing the idea of comfort is 
> what makes you choose to ride.  Comfort bike has a connotation all its own, 
> and most of the connotations are negative to 99% of the riders out there. 
>  City bike, touring bike - all these have become defined genres something 
> akin to the classic steel frame castrated fixie in the corner at the LBS. 
>  Unracer works as well as anything to describe The Last Bike.  
>
> I don't see Grant as polarizing anything.  People chose to be polarized by 
> protecting their ignorance, and most people buying bikes are suckers to the 
> 30-something salesman at the LBS.  95% of the people buying modern racing 
> bikes (especially those of us over 50) will end up not riding them because 
> of discomfort.  I am always amazed by the people at trailheads complaining 
> about their uncomfortable bikes and saddles, and spending more money on 
> lycra and gel diapers.  
>
> On Friday, May 31, 2013 5:49:14 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>
>> We should all abide.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>  
>>
>>> For people getting fussy about the Unracer product descriptions, I look 
>>> to The Dude for a response:
>>>
>>> Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
>>>
>>> --mike
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Ron Mc]

I liked in the podcast interview, Grant reinforcing the idea of comfort is 
what makes you choose to ride.  Comfort bike has a connotation all its own, 
and most of the connotations are negative to 99% of the riders out there. 
 City bike, touring bike - all these have become defined genres something 
akin to the classic steel frame castrated fixie in the corner at the LBS. 
 Unracer works as well as anything to describe The Last Bike.  

I don't see Grant as polarizing anything.  People chose to be polarized by 
protecting their ignorance, and most people buying bikes are suckers to the 
30-something salesman at the LBS.  95% of the people buying modern racing 
bikes (especially those of us over 50) will end up not riding them because 
of discomfort.  I am always amazed by the people at trailheads complaining 
about their uncomfortable bikes and saddles, and spending more money on 
lycra and gel diapers.  

On Friday, May 31, 2013 5:49:14 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>
>
> We should all abide.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>  
>
>> For people getting fussy about the Unracer product descriptions, I look 
>> to The Dude for a response:
>>
>> Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
>>
>> --mike
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[ascpgh]

We should all abide.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
 

> For people getting fussy about the Unracer product descriptions, I look to 
> The Dude for a response:
>
> Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Mike]

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:52:19 PM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote:
>
> I guess I never considered 'unracer' to be equivalent to 'anti-racer'.


Good point. While I'm pro-unracer, I'm not entirely anti-racer. I've only 
done a few rides in bib-shorts and clipless pedals, but I'm not about to 
ditch my bibs, SPDs, Sidi shoes, etc... yet. If I were to head out on a 
brevet longer than 200k I'd probably wear bibs and use SPD pedals. I have 
absolutely no desire to race at all but it doesn't mean I don't like to 
push the pace. Still, I think it's important for people to know that 
options exist. I think people are getting that through blogs, groups like 
this, Bicycle Times, etc. And, this past month, I was up at 6am practically 
everyday following the Giro. I also watched most of the spring classics and 
I'm sure to tune into Le Tour this June/July. 

For people getting fussy about the Unracer product descriptions, I look to 
The Dude for a response:

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Mike Williams]

Well put Shawn M.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2013, at 1:52 PM, "shawn m."  wrote:

> I guess I never considered 'unracer' to be equivalent to 'anti-racer'. I've 
> never been a racer, but I'm a long-time fan of events like the Classics, 
> BORAF, etc. I find the 'Unracer' label useful as a means of educating those 
> people I know who can't divorce the notion of 'bicycling' from 'sport'. 
> 'Racing' and 'Bicycling' have become so synonymous in America that I know 
> people who quit riding bikes because they 'can't compete' or won't start 
> riding bikes because they think it's too strenuous and competitive. The 
> racing bias (again, I have NOTHING against racing or those who do it) has a 
> chilling effect on the widespread adoption of bicycling as a mode of 
> transportation in America, and regardless of how you feel about labels it's 
> worthwhile to have way of talking about bicycles outside of the dominant 
> paradigm. 'Just Ride' works, too; but to me it doesn't say 'there's more to 
> bicycling than racing' as concisely as 'unracer' does.
> 
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:31:07 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>> 
>> I was poking around the RBW site last night and noticed there are some new 
>> small items--Unracer pins, key fobs and magnets. I love the product 
>> description which isn't so much a product description as an Unracering 
>> battle cry. I don't think it's entirely serious but I like it. I'm sure 
>> there are those who will get all fussy about it. Oh well. Check it out:
>> 
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr71pin.htm
>> 
>> mike
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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[shawn m.]

I guess I never considered 'unracer' to be equivalent to 'anti-racer'. I've 
never been a racer, but I'm a long-time fan of events like the Classics, 
BORAF, etc. I find the 'Unracer' label useful as a means of educating those 
people I know who can't divorce the notion of 'bicycling' from 'sport'. 
'Racing' and 'Bicycling' have become so synonymous in America that I know 
people who quit riding bikes because they 'can't compete' or won't start 
riding bikes because they think it's too strenuous and competitive. The 
racing bias (again, I have NOTHING against racing or those who do it) has a 
chilling effect on the widespread adoption of bicycling as a mode of 
transportation in America, and regardless of how you feel about labels it's 
worthwhile to have way of talking about bicycles outside of the dominant 
paradigm. 'Just Ride' works, too; but to me it doesn't say 'there's more to 
bicycling than racing' as concisely as 'unracer' does.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:31:07 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>
> I was poking around the RBW site last night and noticed there are some new 
> small items--Unracer pins, key fobs and magnets. I love the product 
> description which isn't so much a product description as an Unracering 
> battle cry. I don't think it's entirely serious but I like it. I'm sure 
> there are those who will get all fussy about it. Oh well. Check it out:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr71pin.htm
>
> mike
>

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Cyclofiend Jim]

As is "...blunderbuss bikes."  


On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:59:10 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> *the microfiche clipless pedals*
>  
> That's genius :)
>
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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Garth]

Yes Mike !Exploring new roads and trails and just enjoying THE moment 
... each moment ... for what it is .  It doesn't really matter how far or 
fast you go  it's the opening to "all that is" in a given moment. .. 
and when you "stop and smell the roses" of any given momet  dang . 
you realize the smell of life no matter where you are or how you got there 
.. is sweet ! 


Yes ... even "racing" is a type of "smelling the roses" of those particular 
kind of moments ... they just are *different* kind of moments ... no 
better, no worse . We exist to choose ... and infinite choices are ours .  
That we have such variations in choices is absolutely astounding !  


I ride in Birkenstock 2 strap sandals for example with BMX type pedals, wit 
ha mid-food position on them. I used to be all concerned about "q factor" 
and a "narrow" stance ... and I wanted to BE *free* of any such thoughts of 
limitation. So I purposefully moved my feet out about 12-15mm on the pedals 
... to a wider stance to see how it would feel.  The left side felt great 
right off .. the right not so. But I kept riding with the left foot wider 
anyways. I took a break a while later, and when I resumed riding my right 
foot just naturally went wide without my really thinking too much. It felt 
awesome !  I rode the last 15 miles that way , laughing all the way home at 
my "perceived" need and limitation of perfectly and narrowly placed feet  
!  Ahahahaa !!!So "new/different " ways of doing things is really 
simply challenging our belief system of "what is true for me" ... and it 
sure is FUN to change them !! 



On Thursday, May 30, 2013 2:06:54 PM UTC-4, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
> good point Garth. I raced for quite a few years and still like competitive 
> events . But there is also plenty of time to just go out and have fun and 
> ride. To see something new, explore a new trail or just enjoy the day.  I 
> still prefer clipless pedals almost always, and wear lycra or wool  shorts 
> on  certain rides. 
>
> We each got to this place in different ways to share some common 
> preferences for the kind of bikes we ride and thankfully we can all share 
> our experiences and value others choices without too much disagreement.  
>
> ~mike
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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Matthew J]

Is an identifier necessary?  I've never considered myself anything other 
than a human that does a lot of travelling via bicycle.

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Mike Schiller]

good point Garth. I raced for quite a few years and still like competitive 
events . But there is also plenty of time to just go out and have fun and 
ride. To see something new, explore a new trail or just enjoy the day.  I 
still prefer clipless pedals almost always, and wear lycra or wool  shorts 
on  certain rides. 

We each got to this place in different ways to share some common 
preferences for the kind of bikes we ride and thankfully we can all share 
our experiences and value others choices without too much disagreement.  

~mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Robert F. Harrison]

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> I needed some term to use with my friend, to say, you have your light
> racey bike, but this one should be-- unracery. Or whatever. But he, like
> most of the riders I know, thinks that lightness is the most important
> factor in choosing any bike.  If someone buys a new bike, the first
> question is ALWAYS "How much does it weigh?"


When someone asks me how much my bike(s) weigh I always answer with
something like, "with the everything you need to ride on the bike about
250-275 lbs." That usually changes the nature of the discussion.

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 7:26 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Thinking more about it, I suggest that "bicycle" be used like "car". No
> one thinks that "car" refers solely to a racing car.


Just Bike, eh? :-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Edwin W]

>
> He can have his "light racey" bike and his "fun" bike.
>

 As for all of this "un-racer" stuff, I think you have to have been a 
"racer" to get it. I gave "Just Ride" to a bunch of my family members, all 
long time "just riders" and they were puzzled by all the time spent on 
racer culture, as they knew nothing about it. 

Edwin "fun bikes are all I have" Williamson 

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Re: [RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[PATRICK MOORE]

Sports-tourer? Country bike? I'd offer utility bike, too, but "utility"
seems to indicate "not fun". How about useful bike?

Thinking more about it, I suggest that "bicycle" be used like "car". No one
thinks that "car" refers solely to a racing car.


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> Grant writes: "I think by virtue of sheer number inferiority, that riding
> "unracerly" whether or not you like the label, needs a label to be a thing,
> and without the label or being a thing, it will get etch-a-sketch out of
> sight and mind continually by the dominance of the other stuff."
>
> I agree about the label. Do we have also have a label that defines as what
> we are, rather than what we are not?
>
> From time to time when I am riding, someone asks me if I'm training for
> something. No, I say, this is the thing. I just ride because I like to ride
> my bike.
>
> A friend of mine is a new-ish rider. He has some sort of superlight bike,
> like almost all the riders around here, and then he was also riding some
> other bike to work, and it was stolen. So he emailed me and another friend
> about what he should get for a new commute bike. I suggested a few things,
> something with lights, fenders and a basket, for example. He ended up
> buying a used Seven ID8, which, he proudly said in his email, weighs 17
> pounds. Nice bike, I emailed back.
>
> But I privately wondered, how does that 17-pound bike work for commuting?
> If you feel like buying a gallon of milk and some potatoes on the way home,
> do you have somewhere to put them? If it is pouring on your way home, did
> you have somewhere to stash your rain jacket and do you have fenders so you
> don't get a stripe up your back and a bike covered with grit? If you feel
> like taking the long way home along the dirt trail on the levee, will your
> tires stand up to it?
>
> I needed some term to use with my friend, to say, you have your light
> racey bike, but this one should be-- unracery. Or whatever. But he, like
> most of the riders I know, thinks that lightness is the most important
> factor in choosing any bike.  If someone buys a new bike, the first
> question is ALWAYS "How much does it weigh?"
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Anne Paulson]

Grant writes: "I think by virtue of sheer number inferiority, that riding
"unracerly" whether or not you like the label, needs a label to be a thing,
and without the label or being a thing, it will get etch-a-sketch out of
sight and mind continually by the dominance of the other stuff."

I agree about the label. Do we have also have a label that defines as what
we are, rather than what we are not?

>From time to time when I am riding, someone asks me if I'm training for
something. No, I say, this is the thing. I just ride because I like to ride
my bike.

A friend of mine is a new-ish rider. He has some sort of superlight bike,
like almost all the riders around here, and then he was also riding some
other bike to work, and it was stolen. So he emailed me and another friend
about what he should get for a new commute bike. I suggested a few things,
something with lights, fenders and a basket, for example. He ended up
buying a used Seven ID8, which, he proudly said in his email, weighs 17
pounds. Nice bike, I emailed back.

But I privately wondered, how does that 17-pound bike work for commuting?
If you feel like buying a gallon of milk and some potatoes on the way home,
do you have somewhere to put them? If it is pouring on your way home, did
you have somewhere to stash your rain jacket and do you have fenders so you
don't get a stripe up your back and a bike covered with grit? If you feel
like taking the long way home along the dirt trail on the levee, will your
tires stand up to it?

I needed some term to use with my friend, to say, you have your light racey
bike, but this one should be-- unracery. Or whatever. But he, like most of
the riders I know, thinks that lightness is the most important factor in
choosing any bike.  If someone buys a new bike, the first question is
ALWAYS "How much does it weigh?"

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-- Anne Paulson

My hovercraft is full of eels

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Garth]

Declaring and trying to BE an "unracer"  is no different than declaring 
and trying to BE "racer" . 

Just BE your self  celebrate your uniqueness for there is no other like 
the You of whoever reads these words. 

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[grant]

I don't put a lot of thought into stuff like the badges and pins, the minor 
things. They kind of are what they are, but they need some words just as a 
matter of consistency, so I try to have some quick fun while not telling 
any lies. The "evil, vile, live" comment that may have come off as mean or 
something...was an old Boggle (it's a game) habit I picked up, like "art, 
tar, rat," and ... I don't mean anything mean by  it. I think by virtue of 
sheet number inferiority, that riding "unracerly" whether or not you like 
the label, needs a label to be a thing, and without the label or being a 
thing, it will get etch-a-sketch out of sight and mind continually by the 
dominance of the other stuff. I also completely dig the feeling many people 
have, that labels are divisive, "us verus them" kind of thing, but I still 
believe in the power of labels while wishing they didn't need to be, and if 
presented without actual malice and now and then with a bit of humor, even 
if unperceived, that they---shouldn't be taken too seriously. Or something. 
That may just be my mellow way of fending off criticism, but I really 
really do believe it. If you like the pins but not the "unracer" part, read 
it as United Nations racer---all inclusive!

On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:31:07 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>
> I was poking around the RBW site last night and noticed there are some new 
> small items--Unracer pins, key fobs and magnets. I love the product 
> description which isn't so much a product description as an Unracering 
> battle cry. I don't think it's entirely serious but I like it. I'm sure 
> there are those who will get all fussy about it. Oh well. Check it out:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr71pin.htm
>
> mike
>

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Joe Bernard]

I can personally attest to the benefits of loudly promoting "unracer" to 
new cyclists. I met a young man on Twitter who asked me questions about 
"upgrading" an old Schwinn he had just purchased for commuting. I directed 
him to some parts Riv sells, and he started reading. The first thing he 
mentioned several days later was "I like the idea of unracer". Now he has 
bars up high and shellacked, and has stopped worrying about clipless 
pedals. 
 
What may seem a little pushy and repetitious to those of us heavily steeped 
in this stuff, is probably what is needed to get through all the other 
noise out there. 
 
Joe "here, read this" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:04:59 AM UTC-7, jeffrey kane wrote:

> Agreed:
>
> "I think looking silly is part of the human condition. :-)"
>  "Let's not take ourselves too seriously."
>
> Nothing says it better than "Just Ride"
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:31:07 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
>>
>> I was poking around the RBW site last night and noticed there are some 
>> new small items--Unracer pins, key fobs and magnets. I love the product 
>> description which isn't so much a product description as an Unracering 
>> battle cry. I don't think it's entirely serious but I like it. I'm sure 
>> there are those who will get all fussy about it. Oh well. Check it out:
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr71pin.htm
>>
>> mike
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[jeffrey kane]

Agreed:

"I think looking silly is part of the human condition. :-)"
 "Let's not take ourselves too seriously."

Nothing says it better than "Just Ride"


On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:31:07 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
>
> I was poking around the RBW site last night and noticed there are some new 
> small items--Unracer pins, key fobs and magnets. I love the product 
> description which isn't so much a product description as an Unracering 
> battle cry. I don't think it's entirely serious but I like it. I'm sure 
> there are those who will get all fussy about it. Oh well. Check it out:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr71pin.htm
>
> mike
>

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Mike]

On Thursday, May 30, 2013 6:40:30 AM UTC-7, jeffrey kane wrote:
 tooling around an a $4000.00 artisanal "hobo" bike with a $25.00 basket 
... that sort of thing makes everybody come off looking silly.

That's been an point of contention (or celebration depending on your views) 
with the RBW ethos for a while. I'm sure the hyperbole in the description 
is intentional. One of the ideas I take away from RBW and a lot of folks on 
this list is "Let's not take ourselves too seriously."

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[cyclotourist]

I think looking silly is part of the human condition. :-)

Cheers,
David



On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:40 AM, jeffrey kane  wrote:

> Fussy? I don't know ...it is funny though ... but I also wonder why Riv/GP
> feels the need to contribute to an already polarized community (cyclers in
> general) ... while the button is innocuous enough in itself, all the
> anti-this and anti-that stuff seems unnecessary. I can't help but think
> whether you're into wearing "sausage skin clothing" or tooling around an a
> $4000.00 artisanal "hobo" bike with a $25.00 basket ... that sort of thing
> makes everybody come off looking silly.
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:31:07 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
>>
>> I was poking around the RBW site last night and noticed there are some
>> new small items--Unracer pins, key fobs and magnets. I love the product
>> description which isn't so much a product description as an Unracering
>> battle cry. I don't think it's entirely serious but I like it. I'm sure
>> there are those who will get all fussy about it. Oh well. Check it out:
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/pr71pin.htm
>>
>> mike
>>
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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[jeffrey kane]

Fussy? I don't know ...it is funny though ... but I also wonder why Riv/GP 
feels the need to contribute to an already polarized community (cyclers in 
general) ... while the button is innocuous enough in itself, all the 
anti-this and anti-that stuff seems unnecessary. I can't help but think 
whether you're into wearing "sausage skin clothing" or tooling around an a 
$4000.00 artisanal "hobo" bike with a $25.00 basket ... that sort of thing 
makes everybody come off looking silly.

On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:31:07 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
>
> I was poking around the RBW site last night and noticed there are some new 
> small items--Unracer pins, key fobs and magnets. I love the product 
> description which isn't so much a product description as an Unracering 
> battle cry. I don't think it's entirely serious but I like it. I'm sure 
> there are those who will get all fussy about it. Oh well. Check it out:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr71pin.htm
>
> mike
>

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[hsmitham]

Mike,

Just had this sewn on my front handle bar bag. 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/8800163241/in/set-72157633651797978

Me likey.

~Hugh

On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:31:07 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>
> I was poking around the RBW site last night and noticed there are some new 
> small items--Unracer pins, key fobs and magnets. I love the product 
> description which isn't so much a product description as an Unracering 
> battle cry. I don't think it's entirely serious but I like it. I'm sure 
> there are those who will get all fussy about it. Oh well. Check it out:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr71pin.htm
>
> mike
>

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[RBW] Re: UnRacer Paraphernalia description.

[Joe Bernard]

*the microfiche clipless pedals*
 
That's genius :)

On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:31:07 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:

> I was poking around the RBW site last night and noticed there are some new 
> small items--Unracer pins, key fobs and magnets. I love the product 
> description which isn't so much a product description as an Unracering 
> battle cry. I don't think it's entirely serious but I like it. I'm sure 
> there are those who will get all fussy about it. Oh well. Check it out:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pr71pin.htm
>
> mike
>

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