[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Lynn Haas]

I've seen too many upside-down bikes missing both wheels to trust locking 
skewers. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[John Phillips]

   If there are racks or fenders bolted to the dropouts on the front of a 
Riv, the Abus Nutfix won't fit, it's diameter is too large. Similiarly, the 
Nutfix won't work on forks where the dropout is too close to the tube of 
the fork.

   I had the opposite problem with Pitlocks and my Hunqapillar: the plate 
of the locking nut where it contacts the fork is smaller than the plates 
you find on quick release skewers and the even the opposite plate of the 
Pitlock. When tightened correctly, I saw the fork was actually bending the 
skewer of the Pitlock. It didn't look strong enough to defeat even a simple 
blunt force hammer attack, and I felt queasy riding on a front wheel where 
the skewer didn't look like it had a strong hold on the fork. 

Maybe I was being overly cautious and paranoid, that's sort of my 
normal state of mind, but here in the East Bay, hills and pot holes and 
bike thieves follow me everywhere.

John

On Saturday, April 27, 2019 at 1:45:52 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I have to correct my earlier post - I said I couldn’t get the Pit lock to 
> fit my front wheel, but after reading Steven’s post, I remembered that I 
> had the Abus Nutfix. I have to lay the bike on its side and use an 8 hex to 
> unlock the wheel = Abus. But the front skewer did not fit, and not even the 
> LBS calling the manufacturer fixed the issue. I will maybe try the Pit lock 
> now, but dread having one more key!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 27, 2019, at 1:42 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA  > wrote:
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2019 at 8:11:03 AM UTC-7, Steven Seelig wrote:
>>
>>
>> Abus now also has a locking skewer I us on my City (not Country) 
>> Hillborne.  You can't slide the covering off while the bike is upright, and 
>> you use a #8 wrench to unlock once the bike is laid on its side.  A slight 
>> pain to work on because you have to tilt the bike to 90 degrees, with the 
>> great tradeoff that you can leave your #8 wrench on the bike.  It is of no 
>> use to anyone unless they've already defeated the lock. 
>> https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/NutFix
>>  
>> 
>>
>
> I hope the Abus Nutfix is more durable than the Zéfal locking skewers that 
> require the bike to be upside down before release. Those work well for the 
> first few months, but tend to seize up after that. Then it's fun, fun, fun, 
> trying to get the skewer to open again.
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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Leah Peterson]

I have to correct my earlier post - I said I couldn’t get the Pit lock to fit 
my front wheel, but after reading Steven’s post, I remembered that I had the 
Abus Nutfix. I have to lay the bike on its side and use an 8 hex to unlock the 
wheel = Abus. But the front skewer did not fit, and not even the LBS calling 
the manufacturer fixed the issue. I will maybe try the Pit lock now, but dread 
having one more key!

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 27, 2019, at 1:42 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA  wrote:
> 
>> On Saturday, April 27, 2019 at 8:11:03 AM UTC-7, Steven Seelig wrote:
>> 
>> Abus now also has a locking skewer I us on my City (not Country) Hillborne.  
>> You can't slide the covering off while the bike is upright, and you use a #8 
>> wrench to unlock once the bike is laid on its side.  A slight pain to work 
>> on because you have to tilt the bike to 90 degrees, with the great tradeoff 
>> that you can leave your #8 wrench on the bike.  It is of no use to anyone 
>> unless they've already defeated the lock. 
>> https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/NutFix
> 
> I hope the Abus Nutfix is more durable than the Zéfal locking skewers that 
> require the bike to be upside down before release. Those work well for the 
> first few months, but tend to seize up after that. Then it's fun, fun, fun, 
> trying to get the skewer to open again.
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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Saturday, April 27, 2019 at 8:11:03 AM UTC-7, Steven Seelig wrote:
>
>
> Abus now also has a locking skewer I us on my City (not Country) 
> Hillborne.  You can't slide the covering off while the bike is upright, and 
> you use a #8 wrench to unlock once the bike is laid on its side.  A slight 
> pain to work on because you have to tilt the bike to 90 degrees, with the 
> great tradeoff that you can leave your #8 wrench on the bike.  It is of no 
> use to anyone unless they've already defeated the lock. 
> https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/NutFix
>  
> 
>

I hope the Abus Nutfix is more durable than the Zéfal locking skewers that 
require the bike to be upside down before release. Those work well for the 
first few months, but tend to seize up after that. Then it's fun, fun, fun, 
trying to get the skewer to open again.

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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

['Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Super late to party.  I used to use Pitlocks when they were first devised 
(20 years ago) but found the Pinheads more to my liking.  It looks like the 
Pitlocks have been improved significantly since the first version.  Once 
committed to a the Pinhead approach, it is hard to go back because the cost 
to commonly key several bikes becomes prohibitive.  Happy with the Pitlocks 
but always worried about forgetting the key.

Abus now also has a locking skewer I us on my City (not Country) 
Hillborne.  You can't slide the covering off while the bike is upright, and 
you use a #8 wrench to unlock once the bike is laid on its side.  A slight 
pain to work on because you have to tilt the bike to 90 degrees, with the 
great tradeoff that you can leave your #8 wrench on the bike.  It is of no 
use to anyone unless they've already defeated the lock. 
https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/NutFix

I use the Granite X folding lock for in-city lockups - mean streets of DC.

On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 3:58:30 PM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 10:34:57 AM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 12:06:32 PM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>>>
>>> I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for 
>>> thieves as of late. 
>>>  What locks do you like and why? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
> What did the wise say? Something along the lines of the lock and bike 
> weights always add up to 40* pounds? :) 
>
> ** For iBobs, maybe 50 pounds, what with all our tweed bags, fenders and 
> steel filet-brazed handlebar-stem combos.*
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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 10:34:57 AM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 12:06:32 PM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>>
>> I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for 
>> thieves as of late. 
>>  What locks do you like and why? 
>>
>>
>>
What did the wise say? Something along the lines of the lock and bike 
weights always add up to 40* pounds? :) 

** For iBobs, maybe 50 pounds, what with all our tweed bags, fenders and 
steel filet-brazed handlebar-stem combos.*

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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Cinza]

On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 12:06:32 PM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>
> I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for thieves 
> as of late. 
>  What locks do you like and why? 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Sean on Bike]

Honestly, if my bike gets stolen then it’s opportunity for an upgrade...

But when in questionable areas, I use the Sheldon Brown method that locks the 
back wheel to a post with a (Kryptonite) mini U lock. 
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html That’s usually all I travel 
with. 

This saves both the rear wheel and frame with just one mini U. If desired, he 
front wheel is lassoed with a cable to the U lock. It’s worked for many years 
on my bikes. Not no need to upgrade quite yet!

Sean in Mpls

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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Doug Bloch]

John,

Thanks for depressing me as well. Upon further research, I found this NY Times 
review of bike locks very helpful. Looks like I will be moving back to a 
Kryptonite u-lock.


https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-bike-lock/

Thanks,

Doug



On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 9:56:29 AM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
> Hi Doug,
> 
> 
>     This video shows a successful hacksaw & bolt cutter attack on the updated 
> Tigr Mini which I have:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ0UCzi0Tpg
>  
> The quick success of the 24" bolt cutter attack is the most depressing one 
> for me: I have three Tigr Mini & Mini+'s for coffee shop stops, but if I ran 
> to the restroom, my Hunqapillar could be long gone.
> 
> 
> John
> 
> On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 9:39:13 AM UTC-7, Doug Bloch wrote:
> When I was researching the TiGrs I saw those videos, but they were all for 
> the older version.  I could not find similar videos for the newer, thicker 
> TiGr mini.  TiGr actually addresses this on their web site:  
> https://www.tigrlock.com/lock-testing/
> 
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 5:18:31 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>   
> 
>   
>   
> 
> 
> I was just the other night looking at a couple
> of youtube videos that showed the TiGr mini (1) being picked in
> less than 30 seconds, and (2) being cut with bolt cutters also
> in a matter of seconds.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/24/19 12:04 AM, Doug Bloch wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>   I have the TiGr mini and I love it.
> 
> https://www.tigrlock.com/
> 
> I also using security bolts on my wheels, stem, seatpost, and saddle I bought 
> from Wabi Cycles.
> 
> Doug 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[John Phillips]

Hi Doug,

This video shows a successful hacksaw & bolt cutter attack on the 
updated Tigr Mini which I have:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ0UCzi0Tpg
 
The quick success of the 24" bolt cutter attack is the most depressing one 
for me: I have three Tigr Mini & Mini+'s for coffee shop stops, but if I 
ran to the restroom, my Hunqapillar could be long gone.

John

On Thursday, April 25, 2019 at 9:39:13 AM UTC-7, Doug Bloch wrote:
>
> When I was researching the TiGrs I saw those videos, but they were all for 
> the older version.  I could not find similar videos for the newer, thicker 
> TiGr mini.  TiGr actually addresses this on their web site:  
> https://www.tigrlock.com/lock-testing/
>
> Doug
>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 5:18:31 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> I was just the other night looking at a couple of youtube videos that 
>> showed the TiGr mini (1) being picked in less than 30 seconds, and (2) 
>> being cut with bolt cutters also in a matter of seconds.
>> On 4/24/19 12:04 AM, Doug Bloch wrote:
>>
>> I have the TiGr mini and I love it.
>> https://www.tigrlock.com/
>>
>> I also using security bolts on my wheels, stem, seatpost, and saddle I 
>> bought from Wabi Cycles.
>>
>> Doug 
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> Alexandria, Virginia 
>> USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Doug Bloch]

When I was researching the TiGrs I saw those videos, but they were all for 
the older version.  I could not find similar videos for the newer, thicker 
TiGr mini.  TiGr actually addresses this on their web site: 
 https://www.tigrlock.com/lock-testing/

Doug

On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 5:18:31 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> I was just the other night looking at a couple of youtube videos that 
> showed the TiGr mini (1) being picked in less than 30 seconds, and (2) 
> being cut with bolt cutters also in a matter of seconds.
> On 4/24/19 12:04 AM, Doug Bloch wrote:
>
> I have the TiGr mini and I love it.
> https://www.tigrlock.com/
>
> I also using security bolts on my wheels, stem, seatpost, and saddle I bought 
> from Wabi Cycles.
>
> Doug 
>
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Will]

Abus mini U-lock for frame. Pitlocks for wheels and seat post. The U-lock 
is light and compact. The Pits weigh less than my regular skewers. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 2:06:32 PM UTC-5, Cinza wrote:
>
> I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for thieves 
> as of late. 
>  What locks do you like and why? 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[John Phillips]

   If you choose to use a Kryptonite U-lock, be sure to read the 
maintenance info. IIRC, Kryptonite recommends using a chain lube containing 
silicon, Teflon or graphite to prevent corrosion and/or rust.  I've read 
complaints from commuters whose locks failed in a month because their bikes 
were locked up outside in wet weather.

>From the Kryptonite FAQ manual from the FAQ page:


   1. 
   
   CARE & MAINTENANCE 
   
   Lubricate the lock several times a year to keep the lock in its best 
   working condition. Always use a lubricant that has only a silicone, 
   graphite orTeflon base. Face the lock cylinder upright and spray or pour 
   the lubricant into the cylinder. Let it sit for 5 minutes. Place a rag on 
   the workstation and turn the lock over onto the rag for a few minutes. 
   
   Note: Do not use WD-40! WD-40 is a solvent, not a lubricant and will 
   remove lubricant in the cylinder. 
   

   I use 2 - Abus 540 U-locks around town, or Tigr Mini+'s if I'm a few 
feet away getting a sandwich or coffee, but after seeing that video of 24" 
bolt cutters making short work of a Tigr Mini, I doubt I'll use them again.

John

On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 12:06:32 PM UTC-7, Cinza wrote:
>
> I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for thieves 
> as of late. 
>  What locks do you like and why? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

['C.Wilson' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank you for the comprehensive answer. I agree on parking inside whenever 
possible.



> On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Lynn Haas  wrote:
> 
> I didn't know those barrel-key locks were even around anymore! Be aware that 
> combination cable locks are also super easy to open. Any lock can be defeated 
> with the right tools and a little time. I've heard it said that the easiest 
> way to steal a bike is to go in broad daylight with an orange safety vest and 
> power tools.
> 
> When we bought our first house 10 years ago, a previous resident had left a 
> barrel-key U-lock locked up to a patio rail. Our real estate agent kept 
> making a big deal about the seller removing the lock before we closed on the 
> house. She couldn't believe me when I said not to worry, I would deal with 
> it. 
> 
> The best lock is on the front door. I have arranged inside parking at every 
> job I've ever had, and at university I was able to rent a bike locker for 
> $60/year. Bike lockers are marvelous.
> 
> For outside parking, I use a modern flat-key U-lock (I own a Kryptonite but I 
> usually use an OnGuard borrowed from work because it's about 2 pounds 
> lighter) and a keyed cable lock for the wheels. I once came back to my bike 
> to find the cable lock cut 1/2 way through. I guess the would-be thief got 
> that far, saw the U-lock, and moved on to the next bike.
> 
> I tried a TIGR Mini. It was phenomenally light in weight and seemed very 
> secure, but it was too small to easily fit around my wheel or frame + most 
> bike racks. I think that it would be OK for a skinny road bike.
> 
> Good technique is important. Make sure you lock the frame and not just one 
> wheel. It's ridiculously easy to release a front wheel, take the unlocked 
> frame, grab an unlocked front wheel off of another bike, assemble the two, 
> and ride away. Lots of fun to demo for a crowd, too. If you set it up right 
> it only takes about 30 seconds.
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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Lynn Haas]

I didn't know those barrel-key locks were even around anymore! Be aware 
that combination cable locks are also super easy to open. Any lock can be 
defeated with the right tools and a little time. I've heard it said that 
the easiest way to steal a bike is to go in broad daylight with an orange 
safety vest and power tools.

When we bought our first house 10 years ago, a previous resident had left a 
barrel-key U-lock locked up to a patio rail. Our real estate agent kept 
making a big deal about the seller removing the lock before we closed on 
the house. She couldn't believe me when I said not to worry, I would deal 
with it. 

The best lock is on the front door. I have arranged inside parking at every 
job I've ever had, and at university I was able to rent a bike locker for 
$60/year. Bike lockers are marvelous.

For outside parking, I use a modern flat-key U-lock (I own a Kryptonite but 
I usually use an OnGuard borrowed from work because it's about 2 pounds 
lighter) and a keyed cable lock for the wheels. I once came back to my bike 
to find the cable lock cut 1/2 way through. I guess the would-be thief got 
that far, saw the U-lock, and moved on to the next bike.

I tried a TIGR Mini. It was phenomenally light in weight and seemed very 
secure, but it was too small to easily fit around my wheel or frame + most 
bike racks. I think that it would be OK for a skinny road bike.

Good technique is important. Make sure you lock the frame and not just one 
wheel. It's ridiculously easy to release a front wheel, take the unlocked 
frame, grab an unlocked front wheel off of another bike, assemble the two, 
and ride away. Lots of fun to demo for a crowd, too. If you set it up right 
it only takes about 30 seconds.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Cinza]

On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 5:18:31 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> I was just the other night looking at a couple of youtube videos that 
> showed the TiGr mini (1) being picked in less than 30 seconds, and (2) 
> being cut with bolt cutters also in a matter of seconds.
> On 4/24/19 12:04 AM, Doug Bloch wrote:
>
> I have the TiGr mini and I love it.
> https://www.tigrlock.com/
>
> I also using security bolts on my wheels, stem, seatpost, and saddle I bought 
> from Wabi Cycles.
>
> Doug 
>
>
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> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Cinza]

Thank You, this is most helpful .  . (I'm guessing it is a barrel  if it 
looks like a barrel?  I got my last one 7-8 years ago, round key)

On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 5:26:09 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> But Kryptonite hasn't used barrel keys locks in many years.  The "barrel 
> of a ball point pen" vulnerability dates back to the early 2000s, and their 
> locks haven't used cylindrical keys in certainly the last decade or more.
> On 4/23/19 11:13 PM, Cinza wrote:
>
> Definitely going to check Pitlocks, but the  reason I asked about locks is 
> my bike mechanic just informed kryptonite locks are no longer safe, bike 
> thieves seem to have an easy technique for the barrel key locks. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 7:57:30 PM UTC-7, David Bivins wrote: 
>>
>> With the pitlocks and a Kryptonite u-lock, you can put a mount on your 
>> bike for carrying the u-lock and you don't have to worry about chains and 
>> cables. The weight is integrated into your frame, kinda. It's also really 
>> ugly. 
>> There's another lock/chain combo called the Hiplok - the chain integrates 
>> a plastic clip so that you can wear the chain/padlock combo as a belt. It's 
>> not uncomfortable for me. But it's heavy. I bring it sometimes when I don't 
>> know what the lockable situation will be, or as an extra lock when we're 
>> biking as a family.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:28 PM Cinza  wrote:
>>
>>> Wonder if there will be some really good lightweight locks one of these 
>>> days.  I hate hauling a basket full of chains, cables and  locks.
>>>
>>> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Steve Palincsar]

But Kryptonite hasn't used barrel keys locks in many years.  The "barrel 
of a ball point pen" vulnerability dates back to the early 2000s, and 
their locks haven't used cylindrical keys in certainly the last decade 
or more.


On 4/23/19 11:13 PM, Cinza wrote:
Definitely going to check Pitlocks, but the  reason I asked about 
locks is my bike mechanic just informed kryptonite locks are no longer 
safe, bike thieves seem to have an easy technique for the barrel key 
locks.


On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 7:57:30 PM UTC-7, David Bivins wrote:

With the pitlocks and a Kryptonite u-lock, you can put a mount on
your bike for carrying the u-lock and you don't have to worry
about chains and cables. The weight is integrated into your frame,
kinda. It's also really ugly.
There's another lock/chain combo called the Hiplok - the chain
integrates a plastic clip so that you can wear the chain/padlock
combo as a belt. It's not uncomfortable for me. But it's heavy. I
bring it sometimes when I don't know what the lockable situation
will be, or as an extra lock when we're biking as a family.

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:28 PM Cinza > wrote:

Wonder if there will be some really good lightweight locks one
of these days.  I hate hauling a basket full of chains, cables
and  locks.


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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Steve Palincsar]

I was just the other night looking at a couple of youtube videos that 
showed the TiGr mini (1) being picked in less than 30 seconds, and (2) 
being cut with bolt cutters also in a matter of seconds.


On 4/24/19 12:04 AM, Doug Bloch wrote:

I have the TiGr mini and I love it.

https://www.tigrlock.com/

I also using security bolts on my wheels, stem, seatpost, and saddle I bought 
from Wabi Cycles.

Doug


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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Thomas Blak]

If you are taking about the round keys from Kryptonite, they were phased 
out well over a decade ago and even then, not all were opened easily. I 
could never open the three I owned at the time using the pen method.Take 
your mechanics advice with a grain of salt. Kryptonite and ABUS are the two 
leading companies for bike locks and they are for a reason. 

The Lock Picking Lawyer has a YouTube channel where he just picks locks. I 
watch these because of the entertainment value but he is very good at what 
he does. Have a look at the lock he chooses for his own bicycle. More 
importantly listen to why he chose that particular lock. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpVOTEOMRuE






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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Cinza]

Thanks.  
Handsome lock,  I'll check this out. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 9:04:47 PM UTC-7, Doug Bloch wrote:
>
> I have the TiGr mini and I love it.
>
> https://www.tigrlock.com/
>
> I also using security bolts on my wheels, stem, seatpost, and saddle I 
> bought from Wabi Cycles.
>
> Doug 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Doug Bloch]

I have the TiGr mini and I love it.

https://www.tigrlock.com/

I also using security bolts on my wheels, stem, seatpost, and saddle I bought 
from Wabi Cycles.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Drw]

Thomas wins. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[William!]

1. fahgettaboudit krypto mini ulock
2. pitlocks on wheel/seatpost. 
3. generic stainless torx security bolts (a buck or so at any well-stocked 
hardware store) for lights, racks etc.

Great security and quick to lock up. Heavy as hell, but you didn’t buy a 
Rivendell for the weight right?

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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Cinza]

Definitely going to check Pitlocks, but the  reason I asked about locks is 
my bike mechanic just informed kryptonite locks are no longer safe, bike 
thieves seem to have an easy technique for the barrel key locks. 

On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 7:57:30 PM UTC-7, David Bivins wrote:
>
> With the pitlocks and a Kryptonite u-lock, you can put a mount on your 
> bike for carrying the u-lock and you don't have to worry about chains and 
> cables. The weight is integrated into your frame, kinda. It's also really 
> ugly. 
> There's another lock/chain combo called the Hiplok - the chain integrates 
> a plastic clip so that you can wear the chain/padlock combo as a belt. It's 
> not uncomfortable for me. But it's heavy. I bring it sometimes when I don't 
> know what the lockable situation will be, or as an extra lock when we're 
> biking as a family.
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:28 PM Cinza > 
> wrote:
>
>> Wonder if there will be some really good lightweight locks one of these 
>> days.  I hate hauling a basket full of chains, cables and  locks.   
>>
>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[David Bivins]

With the pitlocks and a Kryptonite u-lock, you can put a mount on your bike
for carrying the u-lock and you don't have to worry about chains and
cables. The weight is integrated into your frame, kinda. It's also really
ugly.
There's another lock/chain combo called the Hiplok - the chain integrates a
plastic clip so that you can wear the chain/padlock combo as a belt. It's
not uncomfortable for me. But it's heavy. I bring it sometimes when I don't
know what the lockable situation will be, or as an extra lock when we're
biking as a family.

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:28 PM Cinza  wrote:

> Wonder if there will be some really good lightweight locks one of these
> days.  I hate hauling a basket full of chains, cables and  locks.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Thomas Blak]

I use Pitlocks on my Sam and my wife's Betty Foy for both wheels and the 
seat post. Each bike is then locked with 2 New York Fahgettaboudits, 
supplemented with a Krypto cable and Kryptonite Evolution. So three U locks 
per bike. Then they are placed in a bike locker in my condo building with 
another Kryptonite mini locking the door plus a Master padlock. 

Yes, it seems like overkill to many but you chose the locks to the amount 
of risk. If someone gets into my locker they are isolated and have plenty 
of time to attack the locks. This way I make that as difficult as possible. 

My wife's bike that she keeps in Japan is locked with some cheap Dutch lock 
that would take nothing to open. The risk is low, therefore no need for U 
locks etc. 

When I commuted to work I left three Kryptonites at work so I wouldn't have 
to carry them back and forth.  

For the Bromptons, they stay inside our unit but when traveling we use ABUS 
Bordo 6500 locks. They are easier to carry on the Bromptons, but I have 
less confidence they can hold up as well. 

Again it is all about risk and minimizing that risk. In Toronto, the risk 
is high, in Japan the risk is low and I lock accordingly.  


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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Cinza]

Wonder if there will be some really good lightweight locks one of these 
days.  I hate hauling a basket full of chains, cables and  locks.   

I have two dual shackle u locks from Arbus--big and bigger (meaning heavy 
> and heavier).  The plan is to use heavier one to lock bike and one wheel to 
> fixed object and the other wheel to bike frame or fixed object.  Theives 
> would have to make four cuts to steal bike (or just two if they wanted to 
> carry it away). In reality, I'm so nervous about my Riv being stolen in the 
> city, that I don't ride it if I need to lock it.  I'd be ok with my setup 
> if I were to lock it in suburbs.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 3:06:32 PM UTC-4, Cinza wrote:
>>
>> I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for 
>> thieves as of late. 
>>  What locks do you like and why? 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[REC (Roberta)]

I have two dual shackle u locks from Arbus--big and bigger (meaning heavy 
and heavier).  The plan is to use heavier one to lock bike and one wheel to 
fixed object and the other wheel to bike frame or fixed object.  Theives 
would have to make four cuts to steal bike (or just two if they wanted to 
carry it away). In reality, I'm so nervous about my Riv being stolen in the 
city, that I don't ride it if I need to lock it.  I'd be ok with my setup 
if I were to lock it in suburbs.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 3:06:32 PM UTC-4, Cinza wrote:
>
> I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for thieves 
> as of late. 
>  What locks do you like and why? 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Steve Palincsar]

No, they come in two sizes: standard 94-119m, and long 105-130mm

https://www.urbanbiketech.com/collections/individual-pitlock-skewers/products/pitlock-single-skewer-with-keys-choice-of-front-rear-or-seatpost

On 4/23/19 6:14 PM, Cinza wrote:

Bicycle Belle,
Thank you. Good to know.
Is there only one size  Pitluck for front wheels?


On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 3:05:25 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:


Cinza- since we both have Foys, I wanted to chime in. I tried to
use Pitlock skewers in my Betz last summer and the mechanics could
not get the skewer to fit my front wheel. Too small. The back - no
issue. I don’t know why.  I’ve said before I’m not a mechanic, and
now I’m riding around with just the one rear pit locked wheel. I
do have fenders and the Nitto Big Front Rack, so maybe that
matters? Someone will know. 




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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Cinza]

Bicycle Belle, 
Thank you. Good to know. 
Is there only one size  Pitluck for front wheels?  


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>
> Cinza- since we both have Foys, I wanted to chime in. I tried to use 
> Pitlock skewers in my Betz last summer and the mechanics could not get the 
> skewer to fit my front wheel. Too small. The back - no issue. I don’t know 
> why.  I’ve said before I’m not a mechanic, and now I’m riding around with 
> just the one rear pit locked wheel. I do have fenders and the Nitto Big 
> Front Rack, so maybe that matters? Someone will know.  

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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Cinza- since we both have Foys, I wanted to chime in. I tried to use Pitlock 
skewers in my Betz last summer and the mechanics could not get the skewer to 
fit my front wheel. Too small. The back - no issue. I don’t know why.  I’ve 
said before I’m not a mechanic, and now I’m riding around with just the one 
rear pit locked wheel. I do have fenders and the Nitto Big Front Rack, so maybe 
that matters? Someone will know.  

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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Cinza]

Thank you.  I'm up for the pitlocks and will consider the Mini U

On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 1:09:35 PM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I like Kryptonite Mini U-lock with pitlocks securing wheels and seatpost. 
>
> I find Mini U is fast locking and removal with favorable weight/security. 
> With reasonable places to lock, it's also likely to hold the bike upright. 
> Larger U-locks might be easier to find locking locations, but the larger 
> size is heavier, easier to defeat in leverage attacks, and bike is more 
> likely to twist and fall.
>
> I have Abus folding locks-- work ok, but the folding mechanism is not as 
> convenient as I thought. (Rivets prevent rotation in third dimension, 
> limiting its ability to wrap around some objects.) Also much slower to lock 
> and remove compared to U-locks.
>
> I also have various cable locks. Those work fine, but Mini-U is probably 
> viewed by thieves as more difficult to defeat.
>
> I am intrigued by TIGR locks. It would be lighter than Mini-U, and design 
> seems to-be similar use scenario as Mini-U. 
>
> (BTW: I really like how Pitlocks removed my worry about wheels being 
> stolen. This means that Mini-U can be used to secure only the bike frame if 
> I can't find an appropriate pole to Sheldon Brown lock method. 
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html)
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 3:06:32 PM UTC-4, Cinza wrote:
>>
>> I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for 
>> thieves as of late. 
>>  What locks do you like and why? 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Drw]

Kryptonite mini u (orange one with dual locking shackle), hexlox on wheels 
and all expensive components. 

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[RBW] Re: What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi,
I like Kryptonite Mini U-lock with pitlocks securing wheels and seatpost. 

I find Mini U is fast locking and removal with favorable weight/security. 
With reasonable places to lock, it's also likely to hold the bike upright. 
Larger U-locks might be easier to find locking locations, but the larger 
size is heavier, easier to defeat in leverage attacks, and bike is more 
likely to twist and fall.

I have Abus folding locks-- work ok, but the folding mechanism is not as 
convenient as I thought. (Rivets prevent rotation in third dimension, 
limiting its ability to wrap around some objects.) Also much slower to lock 
and remove compared to U-locks.

I also have various cable locks. Those work fine, but Mini-U is probably 
viewed by thieves as more difficult to defeat.

I am intrigued by TIGR locks. It would be lighter than Mini-U, and design 
seems to-be similar use scenario as Mini-U. 

(BTW: I really like how Pitlocks removed my worry about wheels being 
stolen. This means that Mini-U can be used to secure only the bike frame if 
I can't find an appropriate pole to Sheldon Brown lock method. 
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html)

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA



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> I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for thieves 
> as of late. 
>  What locks do you like and why? 
>
>
>

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