[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[Clayton.sf]

also, ditching or not buying the ground sheet and replacing it with some 
hand-cut Tyvek saves a little weight and bulk and money. works great and if you 
wear it out you can just cut a new one. it has many more applications too.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[Sofia Torres]

FWIW I just sold my Seedhouse SL2 (to get a Fly Creek) and can confirm that the 
Seedhouse is exactly 48oz with everything, all stuff sacks, 6 stakes - foot 
print not included in that weight.

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[Clayton.sf]

tarp tent double rainbow is another great option. MUSA and very light for the 
size. I use their Contrails model for places I can't use my Hammock (mine is a 
Dutch, with a tadpole tarp). Hammock takes slight longer to pitch, but is 
superior in just about any other situation - especially in pouring rain!

Clayton Scott

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[John Rinker]

Tent shopping!? Lucky! I've been enjoying my Sierra Designs Flashlight 2 
(just under 3 lbs). I bought the 2-person for when my wife and I go 
backpacking, but when I go bikepacking it's just me and the bike all cozy 
inside. It packs small, fits in my basket and stands strong through wind 
and rain. I'm a tall guy (195cm) and there's plenty of room for me to lay 
down or sit up inside. It can collect condensation being a single walled 
tent, but nothing that's ever been more than a slight annoyance.

Check them out at 
REI: 
https://www.rei.com/rei-garage/product/115975/sierra-designs-flashlight-2-fl-tent

Cheers, John

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> State parks within 30 miles on 3 compass points, and I have yet to do an 
> S24O. This is my year. What tent do you recommend, please? And thank you,
> Ben

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[BenG]

Helpful, thank you all. In case my wife joins me, a big 2-person sounds right, 
although she wants to just meet me there with the camper :)  Wanted a Hilleberg 
(seemed like the Rivendell of tents) but taking good advice to start cheap. Eye 
on a Eureka Spitfire - under $200, long and tall, not too heavy.

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[Les Lammers]

Here are the two person tents at Sierra Trading Post. Some have a 25% off 
coupon. 
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/s~tents/specdataor~sleep%20capacity!2-person/

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 4:46:06 PM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
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> Thanks, friends. "Riding there" is the new part of this for me. We started 
> in a Sears tent, upgraded to a nice Eureka for 10yrs, got a second Eureka 
> when daughters needed some space, then went along with  a pop-up camper to 
> preserve unity.  Itching to go back to a tent, and S24O is an ideal way. 
> Something to keep the bugs away at night is the essence.

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[Surlyprof]

Ben,

I haven't ventured into S240 world yet but used to backpack a great deal. 
 I use a 2 lb. 2-person Marmot (or as my wife likes to call it a 
one-person, one-dog, I'm sleeping in the car tent) that is fairly similar 
to the Big Agnes that many are suggesting.  Having a little headroom is 
nice over a bivy.  A couple of other key features that I looked for, based 
on past experience, is the bathtub bottom with no seams until you are 3-4" 
off the ground.  Helps keep life a little dryer.  The other thing I found 
helped were tents that had pole straps that not only tightened up nicely 
but had a buckle that split the webbing in two parts.  Any moisture wants 
to wick up the webbing to the tent.  The buckle in the middle of the strap 
keeps that from happening.  Didn't know it would be such a nice feature 
until I started using it.  I also found that the mesh mattered.  I've had 
tents where the mesh actually obscured the view at night.  The Marmot has a 
darker purple mesh that is almost completely transparent when star-gazing 
at night.  That was an incredible upgrade after the previous tents.  

If you are interested in saving some money, REI's online garage is good but 
their garage sales are even better.  We bought a larger tent for car 
camping from an REI Garage sale.  They run them every couple of months to 
get rid of returned merchandise.  Go early, read the tags carefully (in 
case it says "ripped") and have a list of tents you are looking for before 
walking in the door.  We had a list of 4 tents we'd be happy with and found 
the 1st and 3rd on our list.  Got our top choice for about $60-70 for a 
$400 tent.

Good luck!
John

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> State parks within 30 miles on 3 compass points, and I have yet to do an 
> S24O. This is my year. What tent do you recommend, please? And thank you,
> Ben

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[BenG]

Having fun with choosing. One of the onliners lists the BA Seedhouse SL2 at 
3lbs 16oz. Marketing...

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

['doc' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Forgot to mention:  The Kelty is free standing, meaning you can set it up 
without using any stakes, and the fly is still off of the netting.  Only 
you can't use the vestibules.  The BA requires about 5-6 stakes with the 
fly section to keep it off of the netting, plus you have some guy-cords 
that require staking.  This can be an issue on rocky ground.

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:14:08 PM UTC-5, doc wrote:
>
> I have two smaller tents that get pressed into service for bike camping. 
>  The first is a used Kelty Gunnison 2 person that runs about 4 pounds and 
> sets up lightening fast.  I take that if I'm going to be out more than a 
> few days (because of the extra room for changing clothes, etc...) or if it 
> looks like there might be rain so I can pull all the gear inside.  Its 
> proved to be a very cost effective "start-up" tent.   I also have a used BA 
> Seedhouse SL1 which is very light and compact, and just big enough.  That's 
> good for S240's as well as backpacking.
>
> My biggest wish for a small tent is camouflage, so I can blend in to the 
> landscape.  I like to avoid the campgrounds and stick to forests for the 
> solitude as well as the costs (free).  Most army surplus is pretty beat and 
> rather heavy, and most tactical stuff is way overpriced.  The ideal would 
> be for BA to offer camo print flys as an option. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 12:13:51 PM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
>>
>> State parks within 30 miles on 3 compass points, and I have yet to do an 
>> S24O. This is my year. What tent do you recommend, please? And thank you,
>> Ben
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

['doc' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have two smaller tents that get pressed into service for bike camping. 
 The first is a used Kelty Gunnison 2 person that runs about 4 pounds and 
sets up lightening fast.  I take that if I'm going to be out more than a 
few days (because of the extra room for changing clothes, etc...) or if it 
looks like there might be rain so I can pull all the gear inside.  Its 
proved to be a very cost effective "start-up" tent.   I also have a used BA 
Seedhouse SL1 which is very light and compact, and just big enough.  That's 
good for S240's as well as backpacking.

My biggest wish for a small tent is camouflage, so I can blend in to the 
landscape.  I like to avoid the campgrounds and stick to forests for the 
solitude as well as the costs (free).  Most army surplus is pretty beat and 
rather heavy, and most tactical stuff is way overpriced.  The ideal would 
be for BA to offer camo print flys as an option. 

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> State parks within 30 miles on 3 compass points, and I have yet to do an 
> S24O. This is my year. What tent do you recommend, please? And thank you,
> Ben

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[dougP]

For S24Os & short, casual tours:  whatever single person tent is on sale at 
the REI outlet online.  However, for longer tours requiring more gear, 
weight & size become important,   Then you need to really analyze your 
personal needs for the type of environment where you're going, and that 
gets into more specialized, spendy types of shelter.  I bought an REI 
Quarter Dome 7 or 8 years ago for an extended tour.  Not overly compact or 
light, it was cheap, but it's gotten probably 100 nights of use, with only 
minor wear & tear.  If it ever falls apart, I'll research "nicer" tents.  
Until that happens, I'm a happy camper.

dougP

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> State parks within 30 miles on 3 compass points, and I have yet to do an 
> S24O. This is my year. What tent do you recommend, please? And thank you,
> Ben

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[dstein]

For a while I was more concerned with packed size rather than weight. I 
care less about the overall weight I'm carrying on the bike as I am about 
the limited amount of space available (and how that is distributed 
throughout rear and front, high and low bags) on the bike. Lightweight or 
not, tents run the gamut of packed sizes. 

Somehow I just recently realized that packed size matters a lot less if i 
cram all the gear (tent, pad, sleeping bag, pillow) directly in my rear 
bike bag rather than try and pack them all up individually in their 
respective stuff sacks and try and play tetris to get it all to fit. I 
upgraded from a medium to a large saddlesack to fit them all (packed in 
their respective stuff sacks). But just realized I could use a much smaller 
swift zeitgeist (smaller than a medium saddlesack even) and stuff them all 
directly in there without the stuff sacks. This helps immensely. 

That being said, I spend way too much money on nice gear I hardly ever use 
and have landed on using a big agnes copper spur ul1 with a 30" klymit 
statucv pad (super wide, it takes up the whole tent with litte room for 
extra gear in the tent w/ you) and a quilt from jacks r better. Like others 
mentioned, Big Agnes is great, although not MUSA, and you can go ultralight 
with just the footprint and rainfly (skip the tent) or use the whole kit. 

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> Thanks, friends. "Riding there" is the new part of this for me. We started 
> in a Sears tent, upgraded to a nice Eureka for 10yrs, got a second Eureka 
> when daughters needed some space, then went along with  a pop-up camper to 
> preserve unity.  Itching to go back to a tent, and S24O is an ideal way. 
> Something to keep the bugs away at night is the essence.

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[BenG]

Thanks, friends. "Riding there" is the new part of this for me. We started in a 
Sears tent, upgraded to a nice Eureka for 10yrs, got a second Eureka when 
daughters needed some space, then went along with  a pop-up camper to preserve 
unity.  Itching to go back to a tent, and S24O is an ideal way. Something to 
keep the bugs away at night is the essence.

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[Deacon Patrick]

Hilleberg the Tentmaker's Akto.

Hands down. Should you ever need shelter in any conditions this tent will 
give it. 3.7 pounds is a small price to pay for 
that. http://us.hilleberg.com/EN/tent/red-label-tents/akto/
At a full pound less, the Enan is the same design with lighter weight 
materials. http://us.hilleberg.com/EN/tent/yellow-label-tents/enan/

Neither tent is one you want to buy before you know bikepacking and other 
camping is going to be a love in you life. Test the concept first with 
lesser tents. If you love it, graduate and celebrate with Hilleberg.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> State parks within 30 miles on 3 compass points, and I have yet to do an 
> S24O. This is my year. What tent do you recommend, please? And thank you,
> Ben

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Re: [RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[Steven Sweedler]

Another vote for Big Agnes, I have a very light, very roomy 3 person tent,
about 4 lbs. the comfort level makes up for the extra weight, especially on
a short ride. I did carry it for last years Great Divide ride. Steve
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:47 PM drew  wrote:

> i like my nemo gogo le for bike stuff. not quite a full tent, but big
> enough. has no poles and packs down super small in a compression sack.
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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[drew]

forgot to say that i also like the big agnes copper spur UL1 for more of a 
full tent feeling.

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[drew]

i like my nemo gogo le for bike stuff. not quite a full tent, but big 
enough. has no poles and packs down super small in a compression sack. 

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[RBW] Re: Your S24O tent recommendation

[Bill Lindsay]

Choosing S24O gear is much more about you than it is about gear.  On an 
S24O, you can go totally hobo-style, or you can go full ultralight 
backpacker style, or anything in between.  Do you enjoy geeking out about 
gear, and spending top dollar on optimal everything?  Cool!  Do that.  Do 
you like to get by on the bare minimum, spending as little as possible? 
 Awesome, take that approach.  Does S24O mean planning for a week every 
minute of the experience and carefully choosing exactly what to bring and 
exactly what to leave home?  Great, do that.  Does S24O mean shouting, 
"let's go on a campout!" and lashing random stuff to your bike and heading 
out?  That sounds fun, too.  Those are four radically different *ways *to 
do S24O, and have nothing to do with gear, and have everything to do with 
you.  My recommendation is to make your gear choices fit with your own 
attitude towards the activity.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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> S24O. This is my year. What tent do you recommend, please? And thank you,
> Ben

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