[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-30 Thread fenderbender

That's also a great op! Should also work with old Shimano DX 7-sp
thumbies. My set work great with 8-sp cassette's and the stamped clamp
can be opened enough to fit drops. But then stem shifters would work
just as well. Was tinkering with some last night. Swapped the right
shifter (Positron!) for a 70's single Altus and polished them up a
bit. Looks a bit weird but should be perfect for my parts-bin
"commutour" build.

On 30 Jan, 16:20, clayton  wrote:
> I run Paul thumbies with 8 speed shimano barcons, and love them! I use
> interrupter brake levers and it makes for a very comfy setup. The
> shifters are protected from falls and easily accessed. Most of the
> time I am riding on the tops of the bars anyway, and I don't have to
> release the bars to shift. Being a retired Paramedic, I always
> wondered why anyone would run Silvers (bar end mount). They look like
> perfect little daggers that would pierce you in an accident. If I had
> them, I would wrap the ends in rubber tape, then dunk them in tool
> handle dip stuff. I'd give them many coats, until I was sure they
> would not stab me.
>
> Boing Boing...
> Clayton
>
> On Jan 29, 3:12 pm, charlie  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I used  Riv Silvers as bar enders for a while but became tired of them
> > jamming me in the upper thigh and seeing them hit my top tube too. I
> > switched them to the down tube and that is where they shine in my
> > opinion. Being on the down tube discourages excessive and obsessive
> > shiftiness plus they are simpler that way and the bike looks cleaner.
> > The only bar end shifters that I like are the old short and stubby
> > Suntour ones that I have on my mustache bar bike. Riv used to sell
> > these when they were available. I think Paul thumbies might work
> > better than bar end shifters for the above stated reasons if you don't
> > like stretching forward to shift. I do have Silvers on our 'family
> > conversion mountain bike' with Albatross bars and they work great on
> > that bar/bike combo. Never used Shimano bar enders.
>
> > On Jan 28, 4:42 pm, chris love  wrote:
>
> > > Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> > > ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> > > which. Any opinions?- Hide quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-30 Thread clayton

I run Paul thumbies with 8 speed shimano barcons, and love them! I use
interrupter brake levers and it makes for a very comfy setup. The
shifters are protected from falls and easily accessed. Most of the
time I am riding on the tops of the bars anyway, and I don't have to
release the bars to shift. Being a retired Paramedic, I always
wondered why anyone would run Silvers (bar end mount). They look like
perfect little daggers that would pierce you in an accident. If I had
them, I would wrap the ends in rubber tape, then dunk them in tool
handle dip stuff. I'd give them many coats, until I was sure they
would not stab me.

Boing Boing...
Clayton

On Jan 29, 3:12 pm, charlie  wrote:
> I used  Riv Silvers as bar enders for a while but became tired of them
> jamming me in the upper thigh and seeing them hit my top tube too. I
> switched them to the down tube and that is where they shine in my
> opinion. Being on the down tube discourages excessive and obsessive
> shiftiness plus they are simpler that way and the bike looks cleaner.
> The only bar end shifters that I like are the old short and stubby
> Suntour ones that I have on my mustache bar bike. Riv used to sell
> these when they were available. I think Paul thumbies might work
> better than bar end shifters for the above stated reasons if you don't
> like stretching forward to shift. I do have Silvers on our 'family
> conversion mountain bike' with Albatross bars and they work great on
> that bar/bike combo. Never used Shimano bar enders.
>
> On Jan 28, 4:42 pm, chris love  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> > ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> > which. Any opinions?- Hide quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-30 Thread fenderbender

A set of original Suntour Sprint friction shifters for sale at 'bay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150324026371&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

On 29 Jan, 01:42, chris love  wrote:
> Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> which. Any opinions?
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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread Doug Peterson

With 8 speed HG cogs & imprecise shifting, I've found it's usually just a
couple of cogs that are the problem.  I sub a 7 speed spacer between the
offending cogs & it usually solves the problem.  The 7 speeds are just a bit
thicker than the 8s.  Don't know how many you can change before the stack
gets too thick but may be worth a try.  This is with old Grip Shift bar
ends, a pretty good shifter.

dougP

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Subject: [RBW] Re: shifter opinions


I have both Silvers shifting Suntour XCD derailleurs over a 7 speed
FW, and 8 speed Shimanos.  I pretty much leave the Shimanos in index
mode, and have no trouble with them.  The option to use friction is
nice, but I never have to use it.

I'd hate to use friction shifters off road.  I need all my attention
to stay upright on dirt, I want the shifter to do the work.  Same in
the middle of a steep climb.  I can do it with friction, I cut my
cycling chops on Nuovo Record, but I'm happy to take advantage of
technology in this instance.

Friction can be a little more quiet, but I had a lot of ghost shifting
problems running friction shifters and Hyperglide cogs.  It's better
with an old Sachs FW.

Bill

On Jan 28, 4:42 pm, chris love  wrote:
> Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> which. Any opinions?




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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread Bill M.

I have both Silvers shifting Suntour XCD derailleurs over a 7 speed
FW, and 8 speed Shimanos.  I pretty much leave the Shimanos in index
mode, and have no trouble with them.  The option to use friction is
nice, but I never have to use it.

I'd hate to use friction shifters off road.  I need all my attention
to stay upright on dirt, I want the shifter to do the work.  Same in
the middle of a steep climb.  I can do it with friction, I cut my
cycling chops on Nuovo Record, but I'm happy to take advantage of
technology in this instance.

Friction can be a little more quiet, but I had a lot of ghost shifting
problems running friction shifters and Hyperglide cogs.  It's better
with an old Sachs FW.

Bill

On Jan 28, 4:42 pm, chris love  wrote:
> Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> which. Any opinions?
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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread avillage

I notice this too. I have 9 speeds with Silvers and shifting is
difficult still after 4 months. I'm thinking of going back to 8...my
experience so far is that 8 works better.

On Jan 28, 11:43 pm, David Estes  wrote:
> How many gears?  I don't like friction with nine speed or higher
> drivetrains
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:42 PM, chris love  wrote:
>
> > Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> > ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> > which. Any opinions?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA

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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread charlie

I used  Riv Silvers as bar enders for a while but became tired of them
jamming me in the upper thigh and seeing them hit my top tube too. I
switched them to the down tube and that is where they shine in my
opinion. Being on the down tube discourages excessive and obsessive
shiftiness plus they are simpler that way and the bike looks cleaner.
The only bar end shifters that I like are the old short and stubby
Suntour ones that I have on my mustache bar bike. Riv used to sell
these when they were available. I think Paul thumbies might work
better than bar end shifters for the above stated reasons if you don't
like stretching forward to shift. I do have Silvers on our 'family
conversion mountain bike' with Albatross bars and they work great on
that bar/bike combo. Never used Shimano bar enders.

On Jan 28, 4:42 pm, chris love  wrote:
> Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> which. Any opinions?
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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread stanwasser

I just measured.  From the pivots, the Silvers are ~ 65mm and the Shimano 
are ~55mm.
Stan


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I think the silver and shimano shifters are the same length - it's an
optical illusion.



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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread stanwasser

I have the Shimano bar ends on my Bleriot and an old Trek hybrid beater, and 
the Silvers on my AHH.  The Bleriot is a 10 spd. that I pretty much leave 
indexed.  I may be impatient, but it's difficult finessing the fine 
difference among ten gears in friction mode.  The old Trek is an 8 spd. 
which I prefer to run friction and of course there's no choice with the 
Silvers.

I don't swear by anything anymore, AT a lot of stuff but that's another 
story.  However, if I were going to buy another set of bar ends it would be 
the Silvers.  The levers on the Silvers are longer than the Shimano.  The 
length feels better and provides much more control.  I also feel the action 
is more precise, although that perception could be a result of the lever 
length as well.  The Hilsen is a 9 spd. and I have no problems finessing 
that number of gears with the Silvers.  One of these days I'm going to try 
the Silvers on the Bleriot and see how that goes.  One of these days...

Stan

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>
> Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> which. Any opinions?

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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread fenderbender

Me too until I was diagnosed and had a operation for:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome
Jim, maybe check your positioning?

On 29 Jan, 22:37, Jim Bronson  wrote:
> I have to dissent, my hands get numb on brevets regardless of shifter
> type, brifter or barcon.
>
> What I have found that I do prefer is (gasp) anatomic bars.  Since I
> am very tall, I ride in the drops a lot when it's windy and that is a
> sure reciepe on the Nitto Noodles for numb hands.  I don't have nearly
> as many problems with my Ritchey anatomic bars.  But alas they do not
> come in bright silver.
>
> On 1/29/09, fenderbender  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'm hung up on the same quandary my self ! Just about to mount a set
> > of Jagwire barcon mounts to a Mercian:
> >http://www.jagwireusa.com/index.php/products/road/477
>
> > Think I'll transplant the shifters from a set of 9sp Shiman DA rather
> > than use a set of DT 7sp shifters in friction mode. Better for go-fast
> > group rides me think.
>
> > Just for the record; I've found that barend shifters reduce the
> > likelihood of developing numb and tingling hand and fingers due to to
> > static positioning, that is often caused from using Ergopower/STI
> > shifters on longer breve's.
>
> > On 29 Jan, 13:51, palin...@his.com wrote:
> >> Quoting chris love :
>
> >> > Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> >> > ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> >> > which. Any opinions?
>
> >> If you're looking for a friction-only bar end shifter you can do no
> >> better, IMHO, than the Sun Tour Sprint which Riv has brought back as
> >> the Silver Shifter.
>
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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread Lisa -S.H.



Jim Bronson wrote:
> What I have found that I do prefer is (gasp) anatomic bars.  Since I
> am very tall, I ride in the drops a lot when it's windy and that is a
> sure reciepe on the Nitto Noodles for numb hands.  I don't have nearly
> as many problems with my Ritchey anatomic bars.  But alas they do not
> come in bright silver.
Same here.  My hands used to get cramps riding in the drops on Noodle 
bars- the curve was uncomfortable for me.
My small hands just love my ergonomic Salsa Poco bars and my 9 speed 
short-reach brifters, so I put that setup on both my bikes.  Black bars: 
tape as close to the stem as possible before the cable want to emerge, 
and then allow the cable to go off where it wants to and tape/twine an 
additional inch further in after that, sans cable, towards the stem as 
close as you want.  When you run out of tape switch to twine.
Lisa

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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread Jim Bronson

I have to dissent, my hands get numb on brevets regardless of shifter
type, brifter or barcon.

What I have found that I do prefer is (gasp) anatomic bars.  Since I
am very tall, I ride in the drops a lot when it's windy and that is a
sure reciepe on the Nitto Noodles for numb hands.  I don't have nearly
as many problems with my Ritchey anatomic bars.  But alas they do not
come in bright silver.

On 1/29/09, fenderbender  wrote:
>
>
> I'm hung up on the same quandary my self ! Just about to mount a set
> of Jagwire barcon mounts to a Mercian:
> http://www.jagwireusa.com/index.php/products/road/477
>
> Think I'll transplant the shifters from a set of 9sp Shiman DA rather
> than use a set of DT 7sp shifters in friction mode. Better for go-fast
> group rides me think.
>
> Just for the record; I've found that barend shifters reduce the
> likelihood of developing numb and tingling hand and fingers due to to
> static positioning, that is often caused from using Ergopower/STI
> shifters on longer breve's.
>
>
>
> On 29 Jan, 13:51, palin...@his.com wrote:
>> Quoting chris love :
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
>> > ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
>> > which. Any opinions?
>>
>> If you're looking for a friction-only bar end shifter you can do no
>> better, IMHO, than the Sun Tour Sprint which Riv has brought back as
>> the Silver Shifter.
> >
>

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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread CHRYSTLER JEFFREY






From: fenderbender 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:50:36 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: shifter opinions


Hi All-
  I have ridden both bar end (Campy, Suntour), down tube (Campy, Simplex retro 
friction, Suntour) and Campy Ergo. My experience is that for fast group rides I 
favor, heavily, the bar-cons. From the drops (which is where I like to be in a 
paceline) shifting was easier than with Ergo. I use the heel of my hand to 
shift down the cogs and hook the shifter with my little and ring fingers to go 
up. My hands never leave the bars, but at the same time they aren't numb 
because they shift around. Down tube shifters are my favorite for brevet 
riding. Shifts, obviously, require that one or both hands leave the bars which 
gives them a break from the normal riding position, preventing numbness. Also, 
I like the lack of forward-looping cables that are the bane of bar-end shifters 
and a potential problem when I ride with a bar bag. My two cents!
   
   Jeff (really 
burned-out on winter) Chrystler
   South Bend, 
Indiana

> > Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> > ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> > which. Any opinions?
>

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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread d2mini

I've had both and my vote goes to the silvers.
They're like butta!


On Jan 28, 6:42 pm, chris love  wrote:
> Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> which. Any opinions?
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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread fenderbender


I'm hung up on the same quandary my self ! Just about to mount a set
of Jagwire barcon mounts to a Mercian:
http://www.jagwireusa.com/index.php/products/road/477

Think I'll transplant the shifters from a set of 9sp Shiman DA rather
than use a set of DT 7sp shifters in friction mode. Better for go-fast
group rides me think.

Just for the record; I've found that barend shifters reduce the
likelihood of developing numb and tingling hand and fingers due to to
static positioning, that is often caused from using Ergopower/STI
shifters on longer breve's.



On 29 Jan, 13:51, palin...@his.com wrote:
> Quoting chris love :
>
>
>
> > Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> > ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> > which. Any opinions?
>
> If you're looking for a friction-only bar end shifter you can do no  
> better, IMHO, than the Sun Tour Sprint which Riv has brought back as  
> the Silver Shifter.
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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread palincss

Quoting chris love :

>
> Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> which. Any opinions?

If you're looking for a friction-only bar end shifter you can do no  
better, IMHO, than the Sun Tour Sprint which Riv has brought back as  
the Silver Shifter.





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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-29 Thread Bruce
I like the way the Shimanos look better, but you know what they say about 
beauty. I only friction shift regardless of how many gears there are.





From: chris love 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:42:07 PM
Subject: [RBW] shifter opinions


Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
which. Any opinions?



  
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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-28 Thread CycloFiend

on 1/28/09 4:42 PM, chris love at melvinl...@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> which. Any opinions?

Silvers.  

Then if you want to go to a downtube setup down the road, you're all ready
to do so.

Plus the Silvers are smth.

And Narrower.  (Unless that's another optical conclusion...)


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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-28 Thread chris love

> How many gears?  I don't like friction with nine speed or higher
> drivetrains

I'm running an 8 speed (12-28)...

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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-28 Thread rcnute

I prefer Silvers.  I think it's easier to find the gear with them.

On Jan 28, 4:42 pm, chris love  wrote:
> Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> which. Any opinions?
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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-28 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

I think the silver and shimano shifters are the same length - it's an
optical illusion.

I like Shimano because the little rubbery cover over the lever feels
good in-hand and is less pointy when I jam my leg into it when I hop
off the saddle carelessly. Also, the indexed option is handy. Silvers
look nicer, though.


On Jan 28, 10:43 pm, Mike  wrote:
> I've used both. I really like the Silvers. I like that they're longer
> and the action on them is great.
>
> --mike
>
> On Jan 28, 4:42 pm, chris love  wrote:
>
> > Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> > ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> > which. Any opinions?
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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-28 Thread David Estes
How many gears?  I don't like friction with nine speed or higher
drivetrains

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:42 PM, chris love  wrote:

>
> Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> which. Any opinions?
>
> >
>


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[RBW] Re: shifter opinions

2009-01-28 Thread Mike

I've used both. I really like the Silvers. I like that they're longer
and the action on them is great.

--mike

On Jan 28, 4:42 pm, chris love  wrote:
> Hi all. I'm deciding which shifters to put on my new ride (silver bar
> ends - friction only i think - or shimano) and curious who swears by
> which. Any opinions?
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