Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
@John: I haven't tried them before. The design looked good and priced looked more reasonable than Pauls. Hence decided to give it a try. Will report back after I build the bike. On Sunday, 15 January 2017 08:44:02 UTC-8, John Bokman wrote: > > Curious if you've tried the VO Zeste Cantis on another bike? They look > like well designed brakes. > > On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:03:13 PM UTC-8, Ash A wrote: >> >> Wish I had known about these before I got VO Zeste Cantis for the >> Appaloosa I'm going to build soon. Given the tire clearance (I had to see >> A picture of it mounted on an MTB to fully get the idea) and fraction of >> the price, they were worth trying even if it meant giving them away >> later for whatever reason. >> >> I have V-brakes on a Gary Fisher Marlin that I have owned since 2007. >> I'm pretty certain I'm not technical enough, but I've never felt modulation >> issue in 2000 or so miles I've ridden it. >> >> Having said that, I do think Cantis look way more pleasing on Riv style >> bikes. >> >> >> >> On Thursday, January 12, 2017, George Schick wrote: >> >>> If I'm not mistaken, those are Tektro 857AL brakes. They have the extra >>> long 110mm arms for fender clearance. I bought one a few years ago for my >>> Surly 1x1 that has wheels with 60mm Big Apple tires covered by SKS P65 MTB >>> fenders. They just clear the fenders with a couple of mm's to spare. >>> >>> On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 7:56:26 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote: Hi, can't find a model # on them. For a little while Riv sold a V-brake, but I don't see them on the website currently. I would think if you call Rivendell and ask what model was used on the first gen Clem completes somebody will know. On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 4:18:07 PM UTC-5, Ash A wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > Those V-brakes look quite good! Any idea what Tektro model is it? > > Thanks, > > -Ash > > On Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:36:04 UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote: >> >> I think this came up not long ago on the iBoB list. Not all V brakes >> are created equally when it comes to clearance. I found a helpful list >> on >> gravelbike: >> >> http://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/ >> >> The stock Tektros on my Clementine cleared a 2 inch tire with fender >> no problem. >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 7:17:20 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote: >>> >>> Different experiences, Steve. I've used V brakes since the Shimano >>> introduced them in '96, and I have zero complaints for their >>> modulation. I >>> will admit they can make fenders over big tires challenging. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar >>> wrote: >>> On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: > I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any > respect. Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, > but V > brake seem mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at > power, > cost, weight, modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least > get a > podium finish in every category. > > > A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my - admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop >>> >>> >> >> www.freerice.com >> play and feed a hungry person >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
Curious if you've tried the VO Zeste Cantis on another bike? They look like well designed brakes. On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:03:13 PM UTC-8, Ash A wrote: > > Wish I had known about these before I got VO Zeste Cantis for the > Appaloosa I'm going to build soon. Given the tire clearance (I had to see > A picture of it mounted on an MTB to fully get the idea) and fraction of > the price, they were worth trying even if it meant giving them away > later for whatever reason. > > I have V-brakes on a Gary Fisher Marlin that I have owned since 2007. I'm > pretty certain I'm not technical enough, but I've never felt modulation > issue in 2000 or so miles I've ridden it. > > Having said that, I do think Cantis look way more pleasing on Riv style > bikes. > > > > On Thursday, January 12, 2017, George Schick > wrote: > >> If I'm not mistaken, those are Tektro 857AL brakes. They have the extra >> long 110mm arms for fender clearance. I bought one a few years ago for my >> Surly 1x1 that has wheels with 60mm Big Apple tires covered by SKS P65 MTB >> fenders. They just clear the fenders with a couple of mm's to spare. >> >> On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 7:56:26 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote: >>> >>> Hi, can't find a model # on them. For a little while Riv sold a V-brake, >>> but I don't see them on the website currently. I would think if you call >>> Rivendell and ask what model was used on the first gen Clem completes >>> somebody will know. >>> >>> On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 4:18:07 PM UTC-5, Ash A wrote: Hi Mark, Those V-brakes look quite good! Any idea what Tektro model is it? Thanks, -Ash On Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:36:04 UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > I think this came up not long ago on the iBoB list. Not all V brakes > are created equally when it comes to clearance. I found a helpful list on > gravelbike: > > http://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/ > > The stock Tektros on my Clementine cleared a 2 inch tire with fender > no problem. > > > > > On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 7:17:20 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote: >> >> Different experiences, Steve. I've used V brakes since the Shimano >> introduced them in '96, and I have zero complaints for their modulation. >> I >> will admit they can make fenders over big tires challenging. >> >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: >>> I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish in every category. >>> A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my >>> - admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of >>> an >>> electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering >>> system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, >>> incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift >>> levers >>> and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > > www.freerice.com > play and feed a hungry person > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.goo
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
I like cantis. They look interesting, and it's fun using something that I can see operate. XT cantis on my MB-1 perform fine on steep and fast descents at Brown County State Park here in Indiana. Putting a Fred Flintstone foot down could suffice for all my other rides, in comparison. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
Wish I had known about these before I got VO Zeste Cantis for the Appaloosa I'm going to build soon. Given the tire clearance (I had to see A picture of it mounted on an MTB to fully get the idea) and fraction of the price, they were worth trying even if it meant giving them away later for whatever reason. I have V-brakes on a Gary Fisher Marlin that I have owned since 2007. I'm pretty certain I'm not technical enough, but I've never felt modulation issue in 2000 or so miles I've ridden it. Having said that, I do think Cantis look way more pleasing on Riv style bikes. On Thursday, January 12, 2017, George Schick wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, those are Tektro 857AL brakes. They have the extra > long 110mm arms for fender clearance. I bought one a few years ago for my > Surly 1x1 that has wheels with 60mm Big Apple tires covered by SKS P65 MTB > fenders. They just clear the fenders with a couple of mm's to spare. > > On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 7:56:26 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote: >> >> Hi, can't find a model # on them. For a little while Riv sold a V-brake, >> but I don't see them on the website currently. I would think if you call >> Rivendell and ask what model was used on the first gen Clem completes >> somebody will know. >> >> On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 4:18:07 PM UTC-5, Ash A wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mark, >>> >>> Those V-brakes look quite good! Any idea what Tektro model is it? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -Ash >>> >>> On Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:36:04 UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote: I think this came up not long ago on the iBoB list. Not all V brakes are created equally when it comes to clearance. I found a helpful list on gravelbike: http://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/ The stock Tektros on my Clementine cleared a 2 inch tire with fender no problem. On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 7:17:20 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote: > > Different experiences, Steve. I've used V brakes since the Shimano > introduced them in '96, and I have zero complaints for their modulation. I > will admit they can make fenders over big tires challenging. > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote: > >> >> >> On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: >> >>> I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. >>> Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake >>> seem >>> mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, >>> weight, >>> modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium >>> finish >>> in every category. >>> >>> >>> >> A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my >> - admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an >> electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering >> system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, >> incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers >> and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > . > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- www.freerice.com play and feed a hungry person -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
If I'm not mistaken, those are Tektro 857AL brakes. They have the extra long 110mm arms for fender clearance. I bought one a few years ago for my Surly 1x1 that has wheels with 60mm Big Apple tires covered by SKS P65 MTB fenders. They just clear the fenders with a couple of mm's to spare. On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 7:56:26 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > Hi, can't find a model # on them. For a little while Riv sold a V-brake, > but I don't see them on the website currently. I would think if you call > Rivendell and ask what model was used on the first gen Clem completes > somebody will know. > > On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 4:18:07 PM UTC-5, Ash A wrote: >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> Those V-brakes look quite good! Any idea what Tektro model is it? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Ash >> >> On Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:36:04 UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote: >>> >>> I think this came up not long ago on the iBoB list. Not all V brakes are >>> created equally when it comes to clearance. I found a helpful list on >>> gravelbike: >>> >>> http://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/ >>> >>> The stock Tektros on my Clementine cleared a 2 inch tire with fender no >>> problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 7:17:20 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote: Different experiences, Steve. I've used V brakes since the Shimano introduced them in '96, and I have zero complaints for their modulation. I will admit they can make fenders over big tires challenging. On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: > >> I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. >> Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake >> seem >> mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, >> weight, >> modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium >> finish >> in every category. >> >> >> > A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my - > admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an > electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering > system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, > incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers > and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
Hi, can't find a model # on them. For a little while Riv sold a V-brake, but I don't see them on the website currently. I would think if you call Rivendell and ask what model was used on the first gen Clem completes somebody will know. On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 4:18:07 PM UTC-5, Ash A wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > Those V-brakes look quite good! Any idea what Tektro model is it? > > Thanks, > > -Ash > > On Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:36:04 UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote: >> >> I think this came up not long ago on the iBoB list. Not all V brakes are >> created equally when it comes to clearance. I found a helpful list on >> gravelbike: >> >> http://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/ >> >> The stock Tektros on my Clementine cleared a 2 inch tire with fender no >> problem. >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 7:17:20 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote: >>> >>> Different experiences, Steve. I've used V brakes since the Shimano >>> introduced them in '96, and I have zero complaints for their modulation. I >>> will admit they can make fenders over big tires challenging. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar >>> wrote: >>> On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: > I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. > Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake > seem > mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, > weight, > modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium > finish > in every category. > > > A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my - admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
Hi Mark, Those V-brakes look quite good! Any idea what Tektro model is it? Thanks, -Ash On Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:36:04 UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > I think this came up not long ago on the iBoB list. Not all V brakes are > created equally when it comes to clearance. I found a helpful list on > gravelbike: > > http://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/ > > The stock Tektros on my Clementine cleared a 2 inch tire with fender no > problem. > > > > > On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 7:17:20 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote: >> >> Different experiences, Steve. I've used V brakes since the Shimano >> introduced them in '96, and I have zero complaints for their modulation. I >> will admit they can make fenders over big tires challenging. >> >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: >>> I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish in every category. >>> A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my - >>> admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an >>> electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering >>> system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, >>> incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers >>> and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
Wow! There are similar squabblings taking place right now vis-a-vis cranksets on the BOB list. I've collected a stash of NOS Suntour XC pro cantis over the years as they are, to my eye, just delightfully elegant and simple. Those gleaming pointy-hat fixing bolts just make me smile. But I digress; I have them installed on three very nice bicycles, with thick, chunky Scott-Mathauser pads & thin Eagle (orange) pads and they were all easily adjusted with no squealing. I ride fast (sometimes) and have just never noticed any fork flex or modulation issues. And I've never run a red light or careened off a mountain pass...yes we have mountains in GA--including two formidable up & downs: Hogpen Gap & Brasstown Bald. Man, if you don't bend a fork braking down either one of those beasts, you ain't gonna bend a fork, ha! I guess, with nearly all things bicycle, this wise rule applies: YMMV. BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 12:18:12 PM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote: >> >> I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. >> Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem >> mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, >> modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish >> in every category. >> >> IME, for snow and ice, disc brakes are the best. Otherwise, I would be >> happy with V brakes on everything else. >> > > Agree. I had suntour xc pro canti brakes and hated them on the front! No > matter what I did - change pads, adjust toe-in, etc. It would work for a > few rides then it was back to the squealing and shuddering. This was on a > steel frame bike with a steel fork too. I was using Campy ergo shifters > and it was a pain. So I went into my LBS and they said try a mini-v brake. > I bought the cheapest Tektro 926al for about $20 and wow, what a > difference! It was like night and day! No more squealing or shuddering or > the lever almost hitting the handlebar. It just worked. It was like the > best $20 I ever spent! I gave away that suntour canti brake, but still > keep the one in the rear as I didn't have a problem with it. > > So my new frame is going to have Paul minimoto mini-v brakes. I tried the > Pauls on another friend's bike and it worked great. Also, easy to adjust > too. > > Of course, YMMV! Good Luck! > >> >> Eric Daume >> Plain City, OH >> >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Michael Hechmer >> wrote: >> >>> Probably like a lot of us, I got an email announcing a Jan Hein blog >>> comparing rim & disk brakes. Now, I have almost no experience with disk >>> brakes but much of what I read makes me think they could be a good choice >>> for some bikes. I found myself saying, not my experience, when he >>> compared posted CP and canti brakes. Jan has a phenomenal amount of >>> experience that's hard to challenge, but My experience of modulation >>> with good, and I emphasize good, cantis has not been any less than with >>> good CP brakes. The issue of shutter, which he raises with cantis, because >>> they mount lower on the fork than CP brakes, seems, to me, to be related to >>> the skill of the bike builder. >>> >>> Here's my experience with Cantis vs CP brakes. My early Saluki, with >>> Paul's cantis offers excellent stopping power and modulation that is just >>> as good as the Pauls's CP brakes on my Rambouilet. I originally had Pauls >>> posted CP on my tandem with 38 mm tires and converted the frame to cantis >>> in order to go to 45mm and switched to Paul's neo-retros. There is no >>> difference in modulation, the cantis might offer a minute amount of extra >>> braking (when set up properly). However a tandem might not be an exact >>> comparison to braking on a single. The extra mass is huge, but the extra >>> weight in the rear (no offense honey) helps to keep the rear wheel planted >>> and adds to rear braking power. >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
those are very long - make sense Grand would spec them. My daughter's cookie-cutter upright has stock Tektro v-brakes with 11cm arms - it clears 50mm SKS fenders with 42mm Soma SV by more than a cm. On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 8:36:04 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > I think this came up not long ago on the iBoB list. Not all V brakes are > created equally when it comes to clearance. I found a helpful list on > gravelbike: > > http://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/ > > The stock Tektros on my Clementine cleared a 2 inch tire with fender no > problem. > > > > > On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 7:17:20 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote: >> >> Different experiences, Steve. I've used V brakes since the Shimano >> introduced them in '96, and I have zero complaints for their modulation. I >> will admit they can make fenders over big tires challenging. >> >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: >>> I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish in every category. >>> A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my - >>> admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an >>> electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering >>> system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, >>> incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers >>> and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
I have the Tektro 720 on my 2009 Sam, and have been impressed with their power and good enough modulation. Inexpensive, too. But I do get significant brake shudder. I was surprised to read that Jan says the 720s are too flexible to function optimally. I haven't noticed this. Logic would tell me if I'm experiencing brake shudder, the fork is flexing under load and the brake's stiffness is not a factor. What am I missing? On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 8:25:56 AM UTC-8, Matt B. wrote: > > I like tektros 720s for modern cantis. The wider profile works great, > they're nicely made and and have a brilliant hanger design. For my older > bikes with 65-75mm post spacing the diacompe 981 or 983 are golden for the > money. > > On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 7:42:45 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: >> >> Steve, I agree with you about Jan's riding, vs my riding. He is a more >> powerful rider and rides more aggressively than I. No doubt he pushes >> brakes to the limit, in a way that I rarely do just the occasional >> escape the pick-up that just right hooked me; and then I don't care about >> modulation at all. >> >> I also agree with people about set up. I have had 4 different cantis - >> shimano, tectro, di-compe and Pauls. The shimano weren't too bad but the >> cable pull wasn't matched to SIS ultegra levers. The di-compe weren't too >> bad to set up, but the power was disappointing. The tectros baffled me >> completely. After some experience, I find the Pau's a breeze to set up. >> >> Michael >> >> On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 5:38:52 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 01/10/2017 05:06 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: >>> > Probably like a lot of us, I got an email announcing a Jan Hein blog >>> > comparing rim & disk brakes. Now, I have almost no experience with >>> > disk brakes but much of what I read makes me think they could be a >>> > good choice for some bikes. I found myself saying, not my experience, >>> > when he compared posted CP and canti brakes. Jan has a phenomenal >>> > amount of experience that's hard to challenge, but My experience >>> > of modulation with good, and I emphasize good, cantis has not been any >>> > less than with good CP brakes. The issue of shutter, which he raises >>> > with cantis, because they mount lower on the fork than CP brakes, >>> > seems, to me, to be related to the skill of the bike builder. >>> >>> And also, evidently, shudder is particularly common with carbon forks. >>> >>> > >>> > Here's my experience with Cantis vs CP brakes. My early Saluki, with >>> > Paul's cantis offers excellent stopping power and modulation that is >>> > just as good as the Pauls's CP brakes on my Rambouilet. I originally >>> > had Pauls posted CP on my tandem with 38 mm tires and converted the >>> > frame to cantis in order to go to 45mm and switched to Paul's >>> > neo-retros. There is no difference in modulation, the cantis might >>> > offer a minute amount of extra braking (when set up properly). >>> > However a tandem might not be an exact comparison to braking on a >>> > single. The extra mass is huge, but the extra weight in the rear (no >>> > offense honey) helps to keep the rear wheel planted and adds to rear >>> > braking power. >>> > >>> >>> Quoting from the blog entry: "The problem is that the stiff [cantilever] >>> brake is attached to the flexible fork blades or seatstays, which >>> twist when you brake very hard. This changes the toe-in of the brake >>> pads and results in poor modulation." If you have sufficiently stiff >>> fork blades and seat stays, this won't happen; and if you don't brake >>> "very hard" (which, from what I gather reading his many comments on >>> this, is something most of us never do - at least, not as hard as he >>> does) it won't happen. >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote: > > I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. Cantis > still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem mostly > relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, > modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish > in every category. > > IME, for snow and ice, disc brakes are the best. Otherwise, I would be > happy with V brakes on everything else. > Agree. I had suntour xc pro canti brakes and hated them on the front! No matter what I did - change pads, adjust toe-in, etc. It would work for a few rides then it was back to the squealing and shuddering. This was on a steel frame bike with a steel fork too. I was using Campy ergo shifters and it was a pain. So I went into my LBS and they said try a mini-v brake. I bought the cheapest Tektro 926al for about $20 and wow, what a difference! It was like night and day! No more squealing or shuddering or the lever almost hitting the handlebar. It just worked. It was like the best $20 I ever spent! I gave away that suntour canti brake, but still keep the one in the rear as I didn't have a problem with it. So my new frame is going to have Paul minimoto mini-v brakes. I tried the Pauls on another friend's bike and it worked great. Also, easy to adjust too. Of course, YMMV! Good Luck! > > Eric Daume > Plain City, OH > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Michael Hechmer > wrote: > >> Probably like a lot of us, I got an email announcing a Jan Hein blog >> comparing rim & disk brakes. Now, I have almost no experience with disk >> brakes but much of what I read makes me think they could be a good choice >> for some bikes. I found myself saying, not my experience, when he >> compared posted CP and canti brakes. Jan has a phenomenal amount of >> experience that's hard to challenge, but My experience of modulation >> with good, and I emphasize good, cantis has not been any less than with >> good CP brakes. The issue of shutter, which he raises with cantis, because >> they mount lower on the fork than CP brakes, seems, to me, to be related to >> the skill of the bike builder. >> >> Here's my experience with Cantis vs CP brakes. My early Saluki, with >> Paul's cantis offers excellent stopping power and modulation that is just >> as good as the Pauls's CP brakes on my Rambouilet. I originally had Pauls >> posted CP on my tandem with 38 mm tires and converted the frame to cantis >> in order to go to 45mm and switched to Paul's neo-retros. There is no >> difference in modulation, the cantis might offer a minute amount of extra >> braking (when set up properly). However a tandem might not be an exact >> comparison to braking on a single. The extra mass is huge, but the extra >> weight in the rear (no offense honey) helps to keep the rear wheel planted >> and adds to rear braking power. >> >> Michael >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
Ovaltine? Not in my world On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 5:30:43 AM UTC-6, Peter White wrote: > > Yup. V brakes have mercifully gone the way of primogeniture, human > sacrifice, hair shirts and Ovaltine. Now if we could only do away with > tattoos and calling anything and everything not objectionable "AWESOME!", > we'd be on the highway to paradise. > > PJW > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote: > >> >> >> On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: >> >>> I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. >>> Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem >>> mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, >>> modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish >>> in every category. >>> >>> >>> >> A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my - >> admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an >> electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering >> system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, >> incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers >> and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Peter White > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
fan of the paul motolites. super nice. also a fan of paul minimotos for easier set up than cantis, but less tire clearance On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 7:13:58 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote: > > I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. Cantis > still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem mostly > relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, > modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish > in every category. > > IME, for snow and ice, disc brakes are the best. Otherwise, I would be > happy with V brakes on everything else. > > Eric Daume > Plain City, OH > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Michael Hechmer > wrote: > >> Probably like a lot of us, I got an email announcing a Jan Hein blog >> comparing rim & disk brakes. Now, I have almost no experience with disk >> brakes but much of what I read makes me think they could be a good choice >> for some bikes. I found myself saying, not my experience, when he >> compared posted CP and canti brakes. Jan has a phenomenal amount of >> experience that's hard to challenge, but My experience of modulation >> with good, and I emphasize good, cantis has not been any less than with >> good CP brakes. The issue of shutter, which he raises with cantis, because >> they mount lower on the fork than CP brakes, seems, to me, to be related to >> the skill of the bike builder. >> >> Here's my experience with Cantis vs CP brakes. My early Saluki, with >> Paul's cantis offers excellent stopping power and modulation that is just >> as good as the Pauls's CP brakes on my Rambouilet. I originally had Pauls >> posted CP on my tandem with 38 mm tires and converted the frame to cantis >> in order to go to 45mm and switched to Paul's neo-retros. There is no >> difference in modulation, the cantis might offer a minute amount of extra >> braking (when set up properly). However a tandem might not be an exact >> comparison to braking on a single. The extra mass is huge, but the extra >> weight in the rear (no offense honey) helps to keep the rear wheel planted >> and adds to rear braking power. >> >> Michael >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
I've had no problems with V brake modulation. IME, they don't modulate as well as a top quality pair of sidepulls, or those IRD cantis set up by Rivendell, but the difference is largely academic. It never affected my riding. On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: > >> I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. >> Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem >> mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, >> modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish >> in every category. >> >> >> > A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my - > admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an > electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering > system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, > incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers > and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten ** ** *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
The best brakes I ever used, bar none, were IRD cantis on my erstwhile Sam Hill. Key point: they were set up by Rivendell staff. For fat tire rim brakes, I personally usually prefer V brakes, but largely because they are much easier for me to set up. I myself have rather different experiences with Mafacs, cantis, and cable disks than Jan seems to have had. On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: > Probably like a lot of us, I got an email announcing a Jan Hein blog > comparing rim & disk brakes. Now, I have almost no experience with disk > brakes but much of what I read makes me think they could be a good choice > for some bikes. I found myself saying, not my experience, when he > compared posted CP and canti brakes. Jan has a phenomenal amount of > experience that's hard to challenge, but My experience of modulation > with good, and I emphasize good, cantis has not been any less than with > good CP brakes. The issue of shutter, which he raises with cantis, because > they mount lower on the fork than CP brakes, seems, to me, to be related to > the skill of the bike builder. > > Here's my experience with Cantis vs CP brakes. My early Saluki, with > Paul's cantis offers excellent stopping power and modulation that is just > as good as the Pauls's CP brakes on my Rambouilet. I originally had Pauls > posted CP on my tandem with 38 mm tires and converted the frame to cantis > in order to go to 45mm and switched to Paul's neo-retros. There is no > difference in modulation, the cantis might offer a minute amount of extra > braking (when set up properly). However a tandem might not be an exact > comparison to braking on a single. The extra mass is huge, but the extra > weight in the rear (no offense honey) helps to keep the rear wheel planted > and adds to rear braking power. > > Michael > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten ** ** *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
Steve, I agree with you about Jan's riding, vs my riding. He is a more powerful rider and rides more aggressively than I. No doubt he pushes brakes to the limit, in a way that I rarely do just the occasional escape the pick-up that just right hooked me; and then I don't care about modulation at all. I also agree with people about set up. I have had 4 different cantis - shimano, tectro, di-compe and Pauls. The shimano weren't too bad but the cable pull wasn't matched to SIS ultegra levers. The di-compe weren't too bad to set up, but the power was disappointing. The tectros baffled me completely. After some experience, I find the Pau's a breeze to set up. Michael On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 5:38:52 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 01/10/2017 05:06 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > Probably like a lot of us, I got an email announcing a Jan Hein blog > > comparing rim & disk brakes. Now, I have almost no experience with > > disk brakes but much of what I read makes me think they could be a > > good choice for some bikes. I found myself saying, not my experience, > > when he compared posted CP and canti brakes. Jan has a phenomenal > > amount of experience that's hard to challenge, but My experience > > of modulation with good, and I emphasize good, cantis has not been any > > less than with good CP brakes. The issue of shutter, which he raises > > with cantis, because they mount lower on the fork than CP brakes, > > seems, to me, to be related to the skill of the bike builder. > > And also, evidently, shudder is particularly common with carbon forks. > > > > > Here's my experience with Cantis vs CP brakes. My early Saluki, with > > Paul's cantis offers excellent stopping power and modulation that is > > just as good as the Pauls's CP brakes on my Rambouilet. I originally > > had Pauls posted CP on my tandem with 38 mm tires and converted the > > frame to cantis in order to go to 45mm and switched to Paul's > > neo-retros. There is no difference in modulation, the cantis might > > offer a minute amount of extra braking (when set up properly). > > However a tandem might not be an exact comparison to braking on a > > single. The extra mass is huge, but the extra weight in the rear (no > > offense honey) helps to keep the rear wheel planted and adds to rear > > braking power. > > > > Quoting from the blog entry: "The problem is that the stiff [cantilever] > brake is attached to the flexible fork blades or seatstays, which > twist when you brake very hard. This changes the toe-in of the brake > pads and results in poor modulation." If you have sufficiently stiff > fork blades and seat stays, this won't happen; and if you don't brake > "very hard" (which, from what I gather reading his many comments on > this, is something most of us never do - at least, not as hard as he > does) it won't happen. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
Different experiences, Steve. I've used V brakes since the Shimano introduced them in '96, and I have zero complaints for their modulation. I will admit they can make fenders over big tires challenging. On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: > >> I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. >> Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem >> mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, >> modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish >> in every category. >> >> >> > A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my - > admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an > electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering > system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, > incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers > and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
Yup. V brakes have mercifully gone the way of primogeniture, human sacrifice, hair shirts and Ovaltine. Now if we could only do away with tattoos and calling anything and everything not objectionable "AWESOME!", we'd be on the highway to paradise. PJW On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: > >> I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. >> Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem >> mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, >> modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish >> in every category. >> >> >> > A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my - > admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an > electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering > system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, > incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers > and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Peter White -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote: I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish in every category. A prize for modulation? They give prizes for not having any? In my - admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of an electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering system: ON and OFF with nothing in between. Then, there's butt ugly, incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift levers and interference with fenders to add to their "charms." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake seem mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, weight, modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium finish in every category. IME, for snow and ice, disc brakes are the best. Otherwise, I would be happy with V brakes on everything else. Eric Daume Plain City, OH On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: > Probably like a lot of us, I got an email announcing a Jan Hein blog > comparing rim & disk brakes. Now, I have almost no experience with disk > brakes but much of what I read makes me think they could be a good choice > for some bikes. I found myself saying, not my experience, when he > compared posted CP and canti brakes. Jan has a phenomenal amount of > experience that's hard to challenge, but My experience of modulation > with good, and I emphasize good, cantis has not been any less than with > good CP brakes. The issue of shutter, which he raises with cantis, because > they mount lower on the fork than CP brakes, seems, to me, to be related to > the skill of the bike builder. > > Here's my experience with Cantis vs CP brakes. My early Saluki, with > Paul's cantis offers excellent stopping power and modulation that is just > as good as the Pauls's CP brakes on my Rambouilet. I originally had Pauls > posted CP on my tandem with 38 mm tires and converted the frame to cantis > in order to go to 45mm and switched to Paul's neo-retros. There is no > difference in modulation, the cantis might offer a minute amount of extra > braking (when set up properly). However a tandem might not be an exact > comparison to braking on a single. The extra mass is huge, but the extra > weight in the rear (no offense honey) helps to keep the rear wheel planted > and adds to rear braking power. > > Michael > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.
On 01/10/2017 05:06 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: Probably like a lot of us, I got an email announcing a Jan Hein blog comparing rim & disk brakes. Now, I have almost no experience with disk brakes but much of what I read makes me think they could be a good choice for some bikes. I found myself saying, not my experience, when he compared posted CP and canti brakes. Jan has a phenomenal amount of experience that's hard to challenge, but My experience of modulation with good, and I emphasize good, cantis has not been any less than with good CP brakes. The issue of shutter, which he raises with cantis, because they mount lower on the fork than CP brakes, seems, to me, to be related to the skill of the bike builder. And also, evidently, shudder is particularly common with carbon forks. Here's my experience with Cantis vs CP brakes. My early Saluki, with Paul's cantis offers excellent stopping power and modulation that is just as good as the Pauls's CP brakes on my Rambouilet. I originally had Pauls posted CP on my tandem with 38 mm tires and converted the frame to cantis in order to go to 45mm and switched to Paul's neo-retros. There is no difference in modulation, the cantis might offer a minute amount of extra braking (when set up properly). However a tandem might not be an exact comparison to braking on a single. The extra mass is huge, but the extra weight in the rear (no offense honey) helps to keep the rear wheel planted and adds to rear braking power. Quoting from the blog entry: "The problem is that the stiff [cantilever] brake is attached to the flexible fork blades or seatstays, which twist when you brake very hard. This changes the toe-in of the brake pads and results in poor modulation." If you have sufficiently stiff fork blades and seat stays, this won't happen; and if you don't brake "very hard" (which, from what I gather reading his many comments on this, is something most of us never do - at least, not as hard as he does) it won't happen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
