Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
You should try the Sam with albatross/albastache bars Bull's-eyed for the kind of riding you want to do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
I'll be taking a trip to the closest reseller either next week or the week after and will keep all your comments in mind. I'll give you an update. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
I ride for exercise, and I'm riding 3 bikes with different riding positions - drop bar road, semi-upright moustache, and upright Map bars. I try to ride each every week, because each uses different combinations of core muscles and thigh muscles. (The 3 bikes also shift differently, and the change-ups are fun.) The drop bar road bike - have to ride it the fastest to feel like I'm exercising. My upright is no slouch - it's a quick, efficient, and well-geared bike. It is definitely a parachute, and I'll pick one of the other bikes on very windy days. With the bars properly dialed, though, never had a problem going long distance on the upright bike (over 60 mi) - as long as you can keep wrists straight and grips (and shoulders) relaxed. As far as saddle comfort - for me - Brooks Swallow on the drop bar bike is the most invisible saddle I've ever ridden. Next up are the B17s on the other two bikes. Saddles, though, are where mileage varies for everybody. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
Depending on your pbh, another great option would be the possible next batch of Roscoe mixtes, PBH of 77 to 87, so saddle heights around 66 to 76 (see other thread). That might be the ticket--slightly lighter than the Clementine, but can take the nice comfy tires, and will at least look a teeny bit faster than ol' Clementine. On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 10:28:47 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote: > > Well, regardless of what conclusion Roberta comes to, are we not now all > pining for a Clem? After reading that link Mark posted, I have an unhealthy > desire to put my name on a Clem L. This, when I already have TBBITW (The > Best Bike in the World)!!! My mother-in-law got a Clementine and someday I > suppose it will live with me, but I hope that is ages away. > > Roberta, let me live vicariously through you - get a Bosco'd Clem!!! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
Well, regardless of what conclusion Roberta comes to, are we not now all pining for a Clem? After reading that link Mark posted, I have an unhealthy desire to put my name on a Clem L. This, when I already have TBBITW (The Best Bike in the World)!!! My mother-in-law got a Clementine and someday I suppose it will live with me, but I hope that is ages away. Roberta, let me live vicariously through you - get a Bosco'd Clem!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
Excellent idea. You will then know what will work best for you. The most important thing is proper fit. On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 8:15:25 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote: > > Thank you all! *I think I'll need to go to "local" RIV reseller and ride > some.* > > I have two bikes, both early 1990 hybrids. The first is hybrid more of > mountain bike and that one is at work, so I can ride after work without > having to tote my more-liked bike back and forth. I'm the original owner > but never "bonded" with it.The second one, a $140 CL purchase, is > better, in that it has 700c tires with 36 or 38 width. I got that nearly > two years ago. It has twist shifters that work "most" of the time. The > ride is pretty nice, but I'm a bit too stretched out on it, even with > raising the handlebars and moving the seat fore/aft. Still, this is the > bike that got me to liking longer rides and smiling while riding. Riding > this has made me happy, although my feet get number after an hour or so. > I've tried a number of current Giant/Specialized/Trek bikes, but then I get > back on my bike and like the feel of steel better. > > So, I thought that it would be really nice to have a good quality, steel > framed, non drop bar bike that fits me well. Rivendell philosophy and the > comments here related to the "happiness" of the members while riding, > resonated with me. If I like the bike, can smile when riding and will > ride more and longer. Plus, I'd like to go on more group rides and would > like to keep up. Yes, I know: the engine. I'll be doing more at the gym, > too. :) > > Roberta > > On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 4:39:29 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > >> Roberta, I owned a Clem H, and currently have an Appaloosa. I think they >> both handle about the same - smooth and stable in a straight line, but >> still a nice turn-in - but I would pick the Appa for a 50 mile ride. It's a >> little lighter and more responsive, which are things you will appreciate 30 >> miles in and 20 to go. Also, it's a beautiful lugged frame. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
Thank you all! I think I'll need to go to "local" RIV reseller and ride some. I have two bikes, both early 1990 hybrids. The first is hybrid more of mountain bike and that one is at work, so I can ride after work without having to tote my more-liked bike back and forth. I'm the original owner but never "bonded" with it.The second one, a $140 CL purchase, is better, in that it has 700c tires with 36 or 38 width. I got that nearly two years ago. It has twist shifters that work "most" of the time. The ride is pretty nice, but I'm a bit too stretched out on it, even with raising the handlebars and moving the seat fore/aft. Still, this is the bike that got me to liking longer rides and smiling while riding. Riding this has made me happy, although my feet get number after an hour or so. I've tried a number of current Giant/Specialized/Trek bikes, but then I get back on my bike and like the feel of steel better. So, I thought that it would be really nice to have a good quality, steel framed, non drop bar bike that fits me well. Rivendell philosophy and the comments here related to the "happiness" of the members while riding, resonated with me. If I like the bike, can smile when riding and will ride more and longer. Plus, I'd like to go on more group rides and would like to keep up. Yes, I know: the engine. I'll be doing more at the gym, too. :) Roberta On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 4:39:29 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > Roberta, I owned a Clem H, and currently have an Appaloosa. I think they > both handle about the same - smooth and stable in a straight line, but > still a nice turn-in - but I would pick the Appa for a 50 mile ride. It's a > little lighter and more responsive, which are things you will appreciate 30 > miles in and 20 to go. Also, it's a beautiful lugged frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
Roberta, I owned a Clem H, and currently have an Appaloosa. I think they both handle about the same - smooth and stable in a straight line, but still a nice turn-in - but I would pick the Appa for a 50 mile ride. It's a little lighter and more responsive, which are things you will appreciate 30 miles in and 20 to go. Also, it's a beautiful lugged frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
Ryan, I laughed at your comment about cringing with a "hybrid"! I decided a few years back to ditch drop bars and go with alt bars (read Mary, Bosco, Albas, MAPS, etc). My local shop, who are great guys really, always call my bikes a "hybrid" and it does make me cringe. I've modified '80's road bikes with these types of bars and they insist on calling the resulting bike a hybrid. Not with a wink either I'm afraid. I'm a Riv convert now and love what they do and how they ride. On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 4:05:45 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote: > Hi Roberta > > I am a multi-bike owner - 64 - and though I used to tour and do centuries > , I now enjoy the rides you describe and 50 miles would be my upper limit. > I do have a Riv road bike and an all-rounder w moustache bars...etc. so > most of my fleet are "hybrids" - cringe. and I've just received a custom > mixte (= Clem , = Cheviot) that I have Choco bars on. I have not yet tried > out the mixte, but I would have no hesitation taking it on a 40-50 mile > ride that you describe based on other listers' experience of these bikes > and my own 24+ years experience with Grant's bikes . > > Now, lower down others like Richard Rios have suggested incorporating our > kind of cycling with other activities for better health and fitness, and > their advice is excellent. > > I'll let y'all know how that new mixte works out for me...who knows...it > may be the one bike to rule them all and the only bike I ever need. But > variety , they tell me, is the spice of life. > > What I can tell you for sure is that you will never buy a Riv and think > "Crap, what a complete waste of money that was!" A riv may be high-cost > but it is definitely high-reward. > > Do let us know how you get on with your search > > On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:02:04 AM UTC-5, Roberta wrote: >> >> Thank you all. I had read the clem vs Appaloosa thread, among others, >> which got me rethinking my intended use/bike and starting this thread. >> I'll take a look at the Roadini and continue to look for used Rivs. I >> don't have room or else I'd consider clem/cheviot AND another bike. Even >> though I was originally looking for a step through, would the App or Sam >> fit my intended purpose? The only requirement I have is no drop bars. >> >> Ski never heard of Jack Johnson, and just sampled some of his music on >> youtube. I will be listening to more tracks! >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
Hi Roberta I am a multi-bike owner - 64 - and though I used to tour and do centuries , I now enjoy the rides you describe and 50 miles would be my upper limit. I do have a Riv road bike and an all-rounder w moustache bars...etc. so most of my fleet are "hybrids" - cringe. and I've just received a custom mixte (= Clem , = Cheviot) that I have Choco bars on. I have not yet tried out the mixte, but I would have no hesitation taking it on a 40-50 mile ride that you describe based on other listers' experience of these bikes and my own 24+ years experience with Grant's bikes . Now, lower down others like Richard Rios have suggested incorporating our kind of cycling with other activities for better health and fitness, and their advice is excellent. I'll let y'all know how that new mixte works out for me...who knows...it may be the one bike to rule them all and the only bike I ever need. But variety , they tell me, is the spice of life. What I can tell you for sure is that you will never buy a Riv and think "Crap, what a complete waste of money that was!" A riv may be high-cost but it is definitely high-reward. Do let us know how you get on with your search On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 10:02:04 AM UTC-5, Roberta wrote: > > Thank you all. I had read the clem vs Appaloosa thread, among others, > which got me rethinking my intended use/bike and starting this thread. > I'll take a look at the Roadini and continue to look for used Rivs. I > don't have room or else I'd consider clem/cheviot AND another bike. Even > though I was originally looking for a step through, would the App or Sam > fit my intended purpose? The only requirement I have is no drop bars. > > Ski never heard of Jack Johnson, and just sampled some of his music on > youtube. I will be listening to more tracks! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
Roberta, I actually test rode both the Clem L and the Appaloosa for a day. I was surprised at how much I loved the Clem L. It's not a "fast" bike, but I honestly did not care nor notice while riding it. Something about getting up to speed kind of goes to the back of your mind when you get on, it's hard to describe. Definitely put a smile on my face, it reminded me of the feeling I had when I first learned how to ride a bike. The Appaloosa was comfortable, but wants to go a bit faster. Before the test ride, I was leaning towards the Appaloosa, after the test ride, I was leaning heavily toward the Clem L. I ended up choosing the Appaloosa due to: 1.) sizing was right top tube and seat tube length 2.) even though I loved the Clem, it was going to be for my 20 mile commute that has a lot of uphill in the morning. Obviously the rider matters more than the machine, but I plan to get the Clem L down the road anyways so I splurged a bit. 3.) the dark green color and lugs. 4.) the fork On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 11:02:04 AM UTC-4, Roberta wrote: > > Thank you all. I had read the clem vs Appaloosa thread, among others, > which got me rethinking my intended use/bike and starting this thread. > I'll take a look at the Roadini and continue to look for used Rivs. I > don't have room or else I'd consider clem/cheviot AND another bike. Even > though I was originally looking for a step through, would the App or Sam > fit my intended purpose? The only requirement I have is no drop bars. > > Ski never heard of Jack Johnson, and just sampled some of his music on > youtube. I will be listening to more tracks! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
Although I have yet to take my Clementine on a ride of the distances you are talking about, I would make a few observations. Riding a bike is riding a bike--you will be "exercising" whether you are commuting, touring, tootling, or riding fast to nowhere and back. Your body doesn't much care to make these distinctions. I say that because the Clementine is a fun bike to ride. You want non-drop bars, the Clem(entine) is designed for that. It has plenty of gearing to get up hills. The Low, step through version, in my estimation, gives you much more flexibility (as you lose flexibility) with no downside. It will work with Boscos, Albatross, Choco, Albastache. Once you figure the best bars for 40-mile rides, now you get to ride a fun-riding bike for 40 miles. It has great ride qualities and it will not slow you down. The only exception to this is if you are intending to ride in a pack of fast-moving cyclists. All the bikes you mention would do the trick. I would just say don't dismiss the Clementine simply because it may give the appearance of being just a neighborhood cruiser. Read Zed's review of his Clem H and you will see that it is fast and versatile. http://zedmartinez.com/2016/06/rivendell-clem-smith-jr/ On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 11:02:04 AM UTC-4, Roberta wrote: > > Thank you all. I had read the clem vs Appaloosa thread, among others, > which got me rethinking my intended use/bike and starting this thread. > I'll take a look at the Roadini and continue to look for used Rivs. I > don't have room or else I'd consider clem/cheviot AND another bike. Even > though I was originally looking for a step through, would the App or Sam > fit my intended purpose? The only requirement I have is no drop bars. > > Ski never heard of Jack Johnson, and just sampled some of his music on > youtube. I will be listening to more tracks! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
Thank you all. I had read the clem vs Appaloosa thread, among others, which got me rethinking my intended use/bike and starting this thread. I'll take a look at the Roadini and continue to look for used Rivs. I don't have room or else I'd consider clem/cheviot AND another bike. Even though I was originally looking for a step through, would the App or Sam fit my intended purpose? The only requirement I have is no drop bars. Ski never heard of Jack Johnson, and just sampled some of his music on youtube. I will be listening to more tracks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?
I've got a clementine, i like it a lot and look forward to many years using it on family rides. But i wouldn't pick it if i was looking for an excercise bike. If i'm looking to workout on a bike, i want to be able to climb small hills quickly, to travel fast and impress myself w my capacity for speed. With the clementine, i want to look around, aim for potholes and enjoy riding over them while marvelling at how smooth the ride is. I tried working out to jack johnson once. I really like his music, but it was a horrible mismatch; the music was sending me chill signals while i was trying to ramp up to push heavy weights away from myself. I think i'd experience a similar disconnect if i were to use the clementine for excercise rides. The roadini however Sky in new west > On Mar 20, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > Roberta, I don't own a Clem, or for that matter any bike with upright bars. > My wife rides a Betty Foy, with albatross bars and she uses albas on our > tandem, which we regularly ride 40 - 50 miles a day, including on tour. I > can't think of any reason not to, unless your in a hurry. A 40 - 50 mile > ride suggest about 3 hours of pedaling, hopefully with at least a couple of > breaks. Give it a go; I'll bet you like it. It's more about personal > preference than right or wrong. > > Michael > >> On Monday, March 20, 2017 at 8:09:19 PM UTC-4, Roberta wrote: >> For those of you who own this, how do you feel about Clem for longer >> "exercise" rides--40-50 miles-- that is NOT touring.That is, I won't >> load the bike with anything other than what I need on a one day >> jaunt--lunch, flat kit, water, windbreaker, etc. I don't want a slog of a >> bike. (yes, I do realize that the "engine" is most important, but this >> engine has two bikes and I go faster on one vs. the other.) Most of the >> area is flat, but in the city park and in some of the suburbs, it is hilly. >> >> I did consider a used Cheviot, but didn't get the sense that it was a "long >> ride" bike-- a bit too upright. I could be wrong. >> >> I'm considering a Clem L so I can do (and want to do more often) longer >> exercise rides. My minimum ride is 12.5 miles (1 hour) , but I like to go >> 25 miles (2 hours) each weekend day. Once or twice a month I'd like to do a >> longer ride. >> >> Thanks, >> Roberta, PBH 82.5, 57 YO, trying to get into better health > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
