Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2013-05-13 Thread cyclotourist 
Aaron, thanks for the update! Goatheads are my bane, but I foolishly ride
on the lightest supplest tires I can get. Something just doesn't seem right
there, does it...
I love Paselas and think they are the best bang for buck tire on the
market. Especially the 35s (never had 37s). I'm very tempted to run some
tubeless, but still sort of gunshy (liz phair shout out) as I've had
tubeless 29ers blow out/off the rim on me. That has left me bruised and
battered on the dirt. I'm freaked out by the thought of that happening at
road-bike speed!!! I'm 175lbs so would run about the same pressure. I do
absolutely love the ability to ride over stuff with tubeless though! Man,
this is a tough call...

I have some Challenge P-Rs in the cabinet that I'm going to put on some
time, just have to wear down the Jack Browns! JBs sure are great, but I can
feel they're a bit big for what my bike was designed for (wheel flop
increased perceptively over 28-30mm tires). P-Rs should bring that back
under control, but I'm concerned about their durability. BTW, they're
currently on blow-out sale at Velo-mine right now.



Cheers,
David



On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Aaron Garcia  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Goatheads are common to our area... I'm a Loma Linda native so I know your
> pain!
>
> I recently attempted to set up 32mm Panaracer Pasela TGs (kevlar bead)
> tubeless on standard rims and lo and behold – they sealed up perfectly. I
> was running 2011 Fulcrum Racing 5s with 2 layers of 21mm Stan's tape (no
> rim strips... too heavy!), and these seal up great. I also set the tires up
> with a wheelset built with H Plus Son Archetype rims... those took 2 extra
> layers of Stan's tape to seal. A bummer due to the extra weight but totally
> worth the wider 23mm rim profile, which makes cornering a breeze and
> supports the tires better.
>
> I used a compressor to initially seat the bead (took a little time due to
> the wrinkles in the tire bead... don't lose hope! Keep trying!), then put a
> good amount of Stan's in there and it sealed up to my delight. I am able to
> run a max pressure of about 60 psi... which is more than you'd really want
> to run anyways. I weigh about 170lb and I run my front tire at 45/48 psi
> and my rear at 50/52 psi..
>
> What about the ride? Tire rolls very smooth, fast and plush over the beat
> up roads. Great low rolling resistance feel and very little rolling noise.
> 32mm is great for light off-road riding, gravel racing, you name it. People
> say Paselas aren't good tires... man they are wrong!
>
> Reliability? Initially the tire lost air very quickly, about 20 psi/hour.
> After a few rides and some monitoring and re-inflation, the Stan's appeared
> to coat the inside of the tire better and now they lose air only slightly
> faster than a standard butyl tube setup. I inflate my tires before every
> ride so it's a non-issue. As far as puncture protection goes, I have yet to
> get a flat on these tires. knock on wood.
>
> Bead seat reliability? I have yet to burp these tires, blow them off or
> flat them due to burping. They are bulletproof. I've taken small dirt
> jumps, curb hops and rock rolls on them... they don't budge. It makes
> riding the bike enormously reliable, which is great because it's a
> commuter. Can't handle getting flats on commutes!
>
> It's sort of a dream setup and I'm enormously happy. No need to wait for
> tubeless-specific touring tires... just convert what you got! Next on the
> docket to attempt converting after these wear out are the Rivendell Jack
> Brown Greens, also made by Panaracer.
>
> Note: The only reason this conversion worked was because I was running
> 32mm tires at low pressures. Don't attempt to convert anything narrower
> than this for tubeless use. You'll blow the tire off the rim at the
> pressures needed for that tire to perform well.
>
> Aaron
>
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2012 11:47:18 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Today I pulled my Rivy down from the hook and find the rear tire flat.
>> http://www.flickr.com/**photos/cyclotourist/**
>> 6733538469/in/photostream/
>> ">**Yep,
>> another goathead.  I don't know how often this happens, but lets
>> just say I've gone through a 100 pack of Rema tubes in the last few
>> years! So I'm kinda' considering going tubeless with this bike. Sun
>> CR-18 rims and 35mm Paselas. I have my 29er set up that way and love
>> it, but have Stans rims etc.
>>
>> Any experiences positive or negative with a set up like this?
>>
>> --
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>> David
>> Redlands, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2013-05-13 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> You'll probably also want to buy some Barge Cement or Shoe Goo to
> repair the holes in the tires.


Yes, the tread seems very liable to cuts.


> But given the relative fragility of the Parigi Roubaix I find it hard
> to imagine using them in an area afflicted by goathead thorns.


"Live dangerously" is our motto here in the harsh, unforgiving, high,
southwestern desert, where only the bold and hard survive.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Mon, 2013-05-13 at 10:15 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> 
> But I really like this idea that you can "tube-less-ify" standard
> tires on standard rims - in principle. And Stan's seems to be the
> quantum leap in sealant -- I spend a good part of my one day a week at
> the bike shop inserting True Goo into thorn proof tubes and I hate the
> mess. I'm just waiting for the next flat in the Parigi Roubaix to put
> Stan's in the tubes - will try tubes first before trying tubeless. 

You'll probably also want to buy some Barge Cement or Shoe Goo to repair
the holes in the tires.  

I just bought some Shoe Goo (local hardware store never heard of Barge
Cement) to patch my back Parigi Roubaix.  A pinch says the tread
thickness is still comparable to the sides of the tread, but the holes
little pieces of glass and sharp stones make were distressing, so I
decided to see if forum-recommended repairs would work.  I tried Super
Glue in the past, and found it entirely unsatisfactory for this kind of
tread patching.

But given the relative fragility of the Parigi Roubaix I find it hard to
imagine using them in an area afflicted by goathead thorns.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2013-05-13 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Quote of the day: " I've gone through a 100 pack of Rema tubes in the last
few years! "

ROTFL! "Last few years"! I just bought two more boxes of 100 16 mm patches.
I've gone through almost 100 patches since Jan 1 of this year, though this
included some exceptional flat situations like buried and hidden penetrants
and bad rim strips: occasions that can eat patches by the score.

But I really like this idea that you can "tube-less-ify" standard tires on
standard rims - in principle. And Stan's seems to be the quantum leap in
sealant -- I spend a good part of my one day a week at the bike shop
inserting True Goo into thorn proof tubes and I hate the mess. I'm just
waiting for the next flat in the Parigi Roubaix to put Stan's in the tubes
- will try tubes first before trying tubeless.

We'll see how well the newly installed Tire Savers work on the P-Roubaix.

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Aaron Garcia  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Goatheads are common to our area... I'm a Loma Linda native so I know your
> pain!
>
> I recently attempted to set up 32mm Panaracer Pasela TGs (kevlar bead)
> tubeless on standard rims and lo and behold – they sealed up perfectly. I
> was running 2011 Fulcrum Racing 5s with 2 layers of 21mm Stan's tape (no
> rim strips... too heavy!), and these seal up great. I also set the tires up
> with a wheelset built with H Plus Son Archetype rims... those took 2 extra
> layers of Stan's tape to seal. A bummer due to the extra weight but totally
> worth the wider 23mm rim profile, which makes cornering a breeze and
> supports the tires better.
>
> I used a compressor to initially seat the bead (took a little time due to
> the wrinkles in the tire bead... don't lose hope! Keep trying!), then put a
> good amount of Stan's in there and it sealed up to my delight. I am able to
> run a max pressure of about 60 psi... which is more than you'd really want
> to run anyways. I weigh about 170lb and I run my front tire at 45/48 psi
> and my rear at 50/52 psi..
>
> What about the ride? Tire rolls very smooth, fast and plush over the beat
> up roads. Great low rolling resistance feel and very little rolling noise.
> 32mm is great for light off-road riding, gravel racing, you name it. People
> say Paselas aren't good tires... man they are wrong!
>
> Reliability? Initially the tire lost air very quickly, about 20 psi/hour.
> After a few rides and some monitoring and re-inflation, the Stan's appeared
> to coat the inside of the tire better and now they lose air only slightly
> faster than a standard butyl tube setup. I inflate my tires before every
> ride so it's a non-issue. As far as puncture protection goes, I have yet to
> get a flat on these tires. knock on wood.
>
> Bead seat reliability? I have yet to burp these tires, blow them off or
> flat them due to burping. They are bulletproof. I've taken small dirt
> jumps, curb hops and rock rolls on them... they don't budge. It makes
> riding the bike enormously reliable, which is great because it's a
> commuter. Can't handle getting flats on commutes!
>
> It's sort of a dream setup and I'm enormously happy. No need to wait for
> tubeless-specific touring tires... just convert what you got! Next on the
> docket to attempt converting after these wear out are the Rivendell Jack
> Brown Greens, also made by Panaracer.
>
> Note: The only reason this conversion worked was because I was running
> 32mm tires at low pressures. Don't attempt to convert anything narrower
> than this for tubeless use. You'll blow the tire off the rim at the
> pressures needed for that tire to perform well.
>
> Aaron
>
> On Friday, January 20, 2012 11:47:18 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Today I pulled my Rivy down from the hook and find the rear tire flat.
>> http://www.flickr.com/**photos/cyclotourist/**
>> 6733538469/in/photostream/
>> ">**Yep,
>> another goathead.  I don't know how often this happens, but lets
>> just say I've gone through a 100 pack of Rema tubes in the last few
>> years! So I'm kinda' considering going tubeless with this bike. Sun
>> CR-18 rims and 35mm Paselas. I have my 29er set up that way and love
>> it, but have Stans rims etc.
>>
>> Any experiences positive or negative with a set up like this?
>>
>> --
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>> David
>> Redlands, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-22 Thread cyclotourist 
Excellent perspective added to the discussion, thanks Bobby! I guess
I'm kinda' moving away from the idea, and just dealing w/ patching
flats. Paselas sidewalls are kind of delicate as it is, I probably
shouldn't do anything that would decrease their strength! I run those
tires at 35F/60R FWIW.


On 1/22/12, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:
> As one who vacillates between tubeless and tubed tires on my mountain
> bike, I've come to several conclusions (my own, not necessarily
> everyone's):
>
> - Do your homework and first make sure others have been successful
> running your specific non-UST tire before attempting it. I've had a
> tire blow off the rim in my garage, coating me and my dog with Stans
> fluid and startling the hell out of us... learned my lesson.
> - When tubeless works well, it's wonderful. I run tubeless Kenda
> Nevegals (non-USTs) on Stan's Arch 29er rims (on my Niner MCR, fully
> rigid steel MTB).  Being able to run at low pressure makes a big
> difference, especially for low-speed technical riding.  I have had
> plenty of ghetto setups fail; I now stick strictly to using Stan's
> yellow tape and fluid.  I also do NOT go through the valve stem...
> I've had more hassle with stems than it's worth.  I pull a section of
> the tire bead off the rim, add a scoop or 2 of Stans, and then pop the
> bead back on (with my compressor).
> - I can't speak for anyone running tubeless skinny road tires, but
> having witnessed a blowoff at 30 PSI, I'd hate to see one at 120
> PSI... Make sure you're using a tire/rim combo that has been tested
> and proven.
> - When you get a non-repairable flat (with Stan's or Slime in your
> tire), it's nasty business changing the flat.  I've done it several
> times, but personally hate it.
> - I really don't mind changing tubes... as long as it's not once every
> other ride, so except for my mountain setup, I personally don't think
> it's worth the hassle for my road bikes, fat or skinny-tired.
>
> Patrick, as for your Kenda tube misfortunes, perhaps an overzealous
> clerk with a box-cutter may have accidentally "pre-conditioned" these
> tubes?
>
> Bobby "conspiracy theory" Birmingham
>
> On Jan 21, 10:08 pm, EricP  wrote:
>> With Jim on this.  Probably have Kenda on all my bikes.  And the
>> wife's bike.  They seem to be very reliable.  And in colder weather,
>> they don't lose air as quickly as some others.
>>
>> Big ol' bias alert - I buy almost all my tubes from Jim at Hiawatha.
>>
>> BTW, have tried the Foss tubes.  Meh.  Was not able to swap them over
>> to my winter studded tires.  So, further evaluation is needed.  They
>> didn't flat, but did feel "lifeless".  If a latex tube has bounce,
>> these have none, IMO.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>> On Jan 21, 8:51 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > I've been using and selling Kenda tubes for years with no problems
>> > whatsoever!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Well, I withdraw my blanket condemnation, but dammit, they've given me
trouble!

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been using and selling Kenda tubes for years with no problems
> whatsoever!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
I've been using and selling Kenda tubes for years with no problems whatsoever!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Y'all take heed and learn from my misfortune: don't use Kenda tubes. I
installed fatties in the 60 mm Big Apples this afternoon, preparing to use
the Big Apple wheelset again on the Fargo, and ended up tossing three
newish Kendas due to splitting -- and one split not even at a seam! I
installed one Conti fatty in the rear with a skinny (28-40) Conti in front
and will dig up my other fat Contis later.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread cyclotourist 
On 1/21/12, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
> Is there anything short of tank treads that is resistant to goat heads?
>
>
>

Not a thing. My buddy here in town rides those terrible Armadillo
tires, but he still gets occasional flats. I'm not willing to do that,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 10:13 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> FWIW, you can get sealant past the core on Presta valves not designed
> for this by twisting the locknut off with pliers, letting the core
> drop into the tube, putting in the sealant, then fish around for the
> core and work it back up to the valve stem and force the locknut back
> on with  the pliers. This works better IME than trying to patch a slit
> contaminated by sealant (at least, it is very hard to clean off all
> traces of the sealants I've used). 

Some Prestas have removable cores, I believe.  I think most do not.


> 
> 
> Don't Schraeders all have removable cores? I've not used one in a long
> time.


I haven't either, but I vividly recall Schraeder valve caps with a
little wrench built into the tip for unscrewing the core.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread cyclotourist 
I had pretty good luck with a slit (more like a tear) and re-sealing.
Did that w/ the kids' bikes & Slime. The prob. w/ Stans or other
latex-based is that it evaporates pretty quickly and you need to
replace in 3-6 months. Removable cores are definitely the way to go
with that stuff.

On 1/21/12, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> FWIW, you can get sealant past the core on Presta valves not designed for
> this by twisting the locknut off with pliers, letting the core drop into
> the tube, putting in the sealant, then fish around for the core and work it
> back up to the valve stem and force the locknut back on with  the pliers.
> This works better IME than trying to patch a slit contaminated by sealant
> (at least, it is very hard to clean off all traces of the sealants I've
> used).
>
> Don't Schraeders all have removable cores? I've not used one in a long time.
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:54 AM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Jim, it's a combination definitely not found in nature!
>>
>> Steve, I've built up some ghetto tubeless for some friends and really
>> like the results. Those were all 2.0+ tires though. I know they do
>> tubeless road set ups, but I don't know if anyone has done an off the
>> label sort of thing. Paselas are extra bizarre as they are way to fat
>> for "road" tires but too skinny for MTB.
>>
>> Rob, I thought about filling the tubes. I Slime my kid's tires by
>> slicing the tube, filling them and patching, but that stuff is messy
>> inside and out. Stans is so much cleaner IMHO, especially w/ removable
>> core. Might be an intermediate option. I've read about the tire
>> degradation problem, and that might be the biggest concern. Paselas
>> are a bit fragile already, and the ammonia would probably really eat
>> them up. Thanks for reminding me about that!
>>
>> Bill, I REALLY love my Paselas. I looked at the Hypers, but was
>> reluctant to go that route. Looked as Marathon Supremes as well, but
>> really, ain't nothin' stopping goatheads that I want to ride. I want
>> puncture resistance you get from tubeless w/out the heavy clunky tire
>> & tube combo you really need.  So far I've been dealing with it, but
>> man, I patch a lot of tubes...
>>
>>
>> THANKS for the thoughts!
>>
>> On 1/21/12, Bill M.  wrote:
>> > My only road tubeless experience is vicarious.  One of our bike club
>> > members has a tubeless setup with Dura Ace wheels and tubeless-
>> > specific 23 mm tires.  I've seen him DNF two club rides because of
>> > flats due to sealing problems.  I'd pass on trying it with Paselas.
>> >
>> > There are tires that are more flat resistant than a Pasela TG and
>> > still ride well (e.g. Vittoria Randonneur Pro or Hyper), but they
>> > aren't goathead-proof.  Even the standard Schwalbe Marathon was
>> > vulnerable IME.  I suspect the only solutions are really heavy tires
>> > like the Marathon Plus (890 gm in 35 mm) or tubes with Slime/Stan's.
>> >
>> > I'll also put out something that's probably heretical around here - I
>> > get more punctures on wide tires than I ever do on skinny ones.  I
>> > think those nice, fat, soft  650 tires sweep up every goathead in
>> > their path, while hard, skinny racing tires skip in between them.  I
>> > gave up on the lovely Pacenti Paris-Moto tires because I was averaging
>> > a flat every 30 miles or so.  I wore through a set of even-lovelier
>> > Vittoria Open CX's (25 mm, 90 psi) with one, maybe two punctures over
>> > the life of the tires.
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> > On Jan 20, 11:47 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> >> Today I pulled my Rivy down from the hook and find the rear tire flat.
>> >> > >> href="
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/6733538469/in/photostream/";>Yep,
>> >> another goathead.  I don't know how often this happens, but lets
>> >> just say I've gone through a 100 pack of Rema tubes in the last few
>> >> years! So I'm kinda' considering going tubeless with this bike. Sun
>> >> CR-18 rims and 35mm Paselas. I have my 29er set up that way and love
>> >> it, but have Stans rims etc.
>> >>
>> >> Any experiences positive or negative with a set up like this?
>> >>
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>> >> Redlands, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
FWIW, you can get sealant past the core on Presta valves not designed for
this by twisting the locknut off with pliers, letting the core drop into
the tube, putting in the sealant, then fish around for the core and work it
back up to the valve stem and force the locknut back on with  the pliers.
This works better IME than trying to patch a slit contaminated by sealant
(at least, it is very hard to clean off all traces of the sealants I've
used).

Don't Schraeders all have removable cores? I've not used one in a long time.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:54 AM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Jim, it's a combination definitely not found in nature!
>
> Steve, I've built up some ghetto tubeless for some friends and really
> like the results. Those were all 2.0+ tires though. I know they do
> tubeless road set ups, but I don't know if anyone has done an off the
> label sort of thing. Paselas are extra bizarre as they are way to fat
> for "road" tires but too skinny for MTB.
>
> Rob, I thought about filling the tubes. I Slime my kid's tires by
> slicing the tube, filling them and patching, but that stuff is messy
> inside and out. Stans is so much cleaner IMHO, especially w/ removable
> core. Might be an intermediate option. I've read about the tire
> degradation problem, and that might be the biggest concern. Paselas
> are a bit fragile already, and the ammonia would probably really eat
> them up. Thanks for reminding me about that!
>
> Bill, I REALLY love my Paselas. I looked at the Hypers, but was
> reluctant to go that route. Looked as Marathon Supremes as well, but
> really, ain't nothin' stopping goatheads that I want to ride. I want
> puncture resistance you get from tubeless w/out the heavy clunky tire
> & tube combo you really need.  So far I've been dealing with it, but
> man, I patch a lot of tubes...
>
>
> THANKS for the thoughts!
>
> On 1/21/12, Bill M.  wrote:
> > My only road tubeless experience is vicarious.  One of our bike club
> > members has a tubeless setup with Dura Ace wheels and tubeless-
> > specific 23 mm tires.  I've seen him DNF two club rides because of
> > flats due to sealing problems.  I'd pass on trying it with Paselas.
> >
> > There are tires that are more flat resistant than a Pasela TG and
> > still ride well (e.g. Vittoria Randonneur Pro or Hyper), but they
> > aren't goathead-proof.  Even the standard Schwalbe Marathon was
> > vulnerable IME.  I suspect the only solutions are really heavy tires
> > like the Marathon Plus (890 gm in 35 mm) or tubes with Slime/Stan's.
> >
> > I'll also put out something that's probably heretical around here - I
> > get more punctures on wide tires than I ever do on skinny ones.  I
> > think those nice, fat, soft  650 tires sweep up every goathead in
> > their path, while hard, skinny racing tires skip in between them.  I
> > gave up on the lovely Pacenti Paris-Moto tires because I was averaging
> > a flat every 30 miles or so.  I wore through a set of even-lovelier
> > Vittoria Open CX's (25 mm, 90 psi) with one, maybe two punctures over
> > the life of the tires.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Jan 20, 11:47 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> >> Today I pulled my Rivy down from the hook and find the rear tire flat.
> >>  >> href="
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/6733538469/in/photostream/";>Yep,
> >> another goathead.  I don't know how often this happens, but lets
> >> just say I've gone through a 100 pack of Rema tubes in the last few
> >> years! So I'm kinda' considering going tubeless with this bike. Sun
> >> CR-18 rims and 35mm Paselas. I have my 29er set up that way and love
> >> it, but have Stans rims etc.
> >>
> >> Any experiences positive or negative with a set up like this?
> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE 
Big Apples are more resistant to goatheads than any other tire I've used;
they are not proof against them but they are something like, roughly, 1:4
for Paselas. On dirt I've ridden through goathead patches without being
scathed, tho' on pavement thorns will eventually be driven in past the belt.

I did have a goathead proof tireset once on a CyclePro early '80s MTB I
bought at GW. It had some kind of slick 1.95s with a belt and "thornproof"
tubes that weighed as much as the tires. I rode it through about a mile of
goathead vine on the upper I-40 trail -- paved, which will push the thorns
in more effectively than dirt will -- just south of Eubank and came back
with, literally, hundreds of thorns embedded in the tires, which I flicked
off in showers. No air loss after a week. But the combination of wooden
tires and half-inch-thick tubes was so deadly that it would, seriously,
make me give up cycling were they all that was available.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>
> Is there anything short of tank treads that is resistant to goat heads?
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread cyclotourist 
Jim, it's a combination definitely not found in nature!

Steve, I've built up some ghetto tubeless for some friends and really
like the results. Those were all 2.0+ tires though. I know they do
tubeless road set ups, but I don't know if anyone has done an off the
label sort of thing. Paselas are extra bizarre as they are way to fat
for "road" tires but too skinny for MTB.

Rob, I thought about filling the tubes. I Slime my kid's tires by
slicing the tube, filling them and patching, but that stuff is messy
inside and out. Stans is so much cleaner IMHO, especially w/ removable
core. Might be an intermediate option. I've read about the tire
degradation problem, and that might be the biggest concern. Paselas
are a bit fragile already, and the ammonia would probably really eat
them up. Thanks for reminding me about that!

Bill, I REALLY love my Paselas. I looked at the Hypers, but was
reluctant to go that route. Looked as Marathon Supremes as well, but
really, ain't nothin' stopping goatheads that I want to ride. I want
puncture resistance you get from tubeless w/out the heavy clunky tire
& tube combo you really need.  So far I've been dealing with it, but
man, I patch a lot of tubes...


THANKS for the thoughts!

On 1/21/12, Bill M.  wrote:
> My only road tubeless experience is vicarious.  One of our bike club
> members has a tubeless setup with Dura Ace wheels and tubeless-
> specific 23 mm tires.  I've seen him DNF two club rides because of
> flats due to sealing problems.  I'd pass on trying it with Paselas.
>
> There are tires that are more flat resistant than a Pasela TG and
> still ride well (e.g. Vittoria Randonneur Pro or Hyper), but they
> aren't goathead-proof.  Even the standard Schwalbe Marathon was
> vulnerable IME.  I suspect the only solutions are really heavy tires
> like the Marathon Plus (890 gm in 35 mm) or tubes with Slime/Stan's.
>
> I'll also put out something that's probably heretical around here - I
> get more punctures on wide tires than I ever do on skinny ones.  I
> think those nice, fat, soft  650 tires sweep up every goathead in
> their path, while hard, skinny racing tires skip in between them.  I
> gave up on the lovely Pacenti Paris-Moto tires because I was averaging
> a flat every 30 miles or so.  I wore through a set of even-lovelier
> Vittoria Open CX's (25 mm, 90 psi) with one, maybe two punctures over
> the life of the tires.
>
> Bill
>
> On Jan 20, 11:47 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> Today I pulled my Rivy down from the hook and find the rear tire flat.
>> > href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/6733538469/in/photostream/";>Yep,
>> another goathead.  I don't know how often this happens, but lets
>> just say I've gone through a 100 pack of Rema tubes in the last few
>> years! So I'm kinda' considering going tubeless with this bike. Sun
>> CR-18 rims and 35mm Paselas. I have my 29er set up that way and love
>> it, but have Stans rims etc.
>>
>> Any experiences positive or negative with a set up like this?
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>> Redlands, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tubeless candidate???

2012-01-21 Thread Steve Palincsar 
On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 07:32 -0800, Bill M. wrote:
> My only road tubeless experience is vicarious.  One of our bike club
> members has a tubeless setup with Dura Ace wheels and tubeless-
> specific 23 mm tires.  I've seen him DNF two club rides because of
> flats due to sealing problems.  I'd pass on trying it with Paselas.
> 
> There are tires that are more flat resistant than a Pasela TG and
> still ride well (e.g. Vittoria Randonneur Pro or Hyper), but they
> aren't goathead-proof.  Even the standard Schwalbe Marathon was
> vulnerable IME.  I suspect the only solutions are really heavy tires
> like the Marathon Plus (890 gm in 35 mm) or tubes with Slime/Stan's.
> 
> I'll also put out something that's probably heretical around here - I
> get more punctures on wide tires than I ever do on skinny ones.  I
> think those nice, fat, soft  650 tires sweep up every goathead in
> their path, while hard, skinny racing tires skip in between them.  I
> gave up on the lovely Pacenti Paris-Moto tires because I was averaging
> a flat every 30 miles or so.  I wore through a set of even-lovelier
> Vittoria Open CX's (25 mm, 90 psi) with one, maybe two punctures over
> the life of the tires.

Is there anything short of tank treads that is resistant to goat heads?




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