[TANKS] Re: where is everyone?

[Caleb Smith]

I'm still around. Been more active in the boat combat since battles here kinda 
died off. My Locust still doesn't have an ideal drive system but with no 
battling I haven't been to motivated to work on it. Would love to see some more 
activity. This hobby is too dang fun to let die.

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[TANKS] Re: where is everyone?

[Fred Thomson]

Still here. :-)

 Just thinking about retirement and trying to get all that squared away. 
Life sometimes gets in the way of building. ...but, I do have a T-34 all 
drawn out and ready to start.

On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 5:52:27 PM UTC-4, odyssey...@aol.com wrote:
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> i have only seen maybe 3 or 4 people posting in here over that last few 
> months?
>
> so where is everyone?
>
> 
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[TANKS] Re: where is everyone?

[neroc1]

Im still building tanks in the UK. And still teaching it to pre teenagers 
in secondary school, now in our 8th year .we have 4 (NERF) tanks and 3 more 
in construction.
we have a battle day at least once a month and the kids love it. I 
sometimes cant believe how lucky I am to get paid to teach tank building to 
children. one or two of them are taking an interest in building tanks 
themselves. but I think it must be difficult for children, cost wise and 
having space to do it.
 
I think its a major shame that tank chat has died off from this site, I 
used to really enjoy it.

If any one wants tank battles in their area ,i my advice is you make at 
least two tanks and get your friend to control one and you control the 
other, then build more and it will grow. thats what I did.
I found it very difficult finding a safe location to fire paintballs .the 
general public always seemed to stick thier face in on this over crowded 
island we call Britain.

I do believe though - if you want it , Make it happen

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Re: [TANKS] Re: where is everyone?

[odysseyslipways via R/C Tank Combat]

Hi Doug, since last we spoke, the old lap top died and got a new one and 
started tinkering with Fusion 360 but don't really have the time to sit and 
play with it daily (or weekly) like i'd like to but do want to get back to it 
(hoping to get the hang of it)
chris
In a message dated 10/22/2019 10:53:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dwconn...@gmail.com writes:

I still check in now and then. Haven't had much time to work on tanks, but I'm 
starting to feel the itch returning.

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i have only seen maybe 3 or 4 people posting in here over that last few months?

so where is everyone?
still there but life getting in the way? gone off to some FaceBook page? or 
just given up on the hobby?
chris

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[TANKS] Re: where is everyone?

[Doug Conn]

I still check in now and then. Haven't had much time to work on tanks, but 
I'm starting to feel the itch returning.

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> i have only seen maybe 3 or 4 people posting in here over that last few 
> months?
>
> so where is everyone?
>
> still there but life getting in the way? gone off to some FaceBook page? 
> or just given up on the hobby?
>
> chris
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Re: [TANKS] Re: where is everyone?

[Derek Engelhaupt]

I got laid off from GM in Feb, but found a better paying job.  It did take
3 months though. Luckily I got a severance to tide me over.

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> i hear ya, i have been looking for work for a few weeks now, unless you
> have a CDL or are a RN your out of luck and i can still hear my bank
> account bouncing...
>
> chris
>
> In a message dated 10/22/2019 1:52:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tigertank...@gmail.com writes:
>
> All,
>
>
> This is Stu Cameron, in Severna Park MD.  I still have most of three tanks
> laying around doing nothing.  I could have T-047 and a Stuart M5A1
> operational in a week or two, but the M4A1 Sherman is still in the rough
> prototype phase.  I have been bogged down by other expenses and hobbies
> (for most of the last 15 years).  As tank events are few and far between, I
> wait for an event/deadline to inspire me to get off my butt and go to war.
>
> Stu
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Re: [TANKS] Re: where is everyone?

[odysseyslipways via R/C Tank Combat]

i hear ya, i have been looking for work for a few weeks now, unless you have a 
CDL or are a RN your out of luck and i can still hear my bank account 
bouncing...
chris
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All,

This is Stu Cameron, in Severna Park MD.  I still have most of three tanks 
laying around doing nothing.  I could have T-047 and a Stuart M5A1 operational 
in a week or two, but the M4A1 Sherman is still in the rough prototype phase.  
I have been bogged down by other expenses and hobbies (for most of the last 15 
years).  As tank events are few and far between, I wait for an event/deadline 
to inspire me to get off my butt and go to war.
Stu
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Re: [TANKS] Re: where is everyone?

[Derek Engelhaupt]

My tanks are in the garage gathering dust.  I worked on my KV-2 a
while back, but since there is no hope of ever battling here in TX I have
been working on my 1/16 scale R/C IR tanks.  The Sturmtiger is in a
non-running state right now.

Derek

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:56 PM A Martin 
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> I'm still here lurking in the background, telling myself one day soon I
> will build one, slowly gathering bits, but with a house extension I'm
> building, a property in France I'm renovating and two young children not to
> mention trying to stay in the other half's good books, me time is on an all
> time low lol
>
> Regards
>
> Al
>
> Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone
>
>
>  Stu Cameron wrote 
>
> I still have three tanks in various states of repair.
> T-047 and my M5A1 could be running in a few weeks, but the M4A1 is still
> an early prototype.
> They don't do well just sitting on a shelf (and I have been working on
> houses, motorcycles and Star Wars stuff), so I am waiting for an RC Tank
> event to justify getting them up and running.
>
> Stu
>
> On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 5:52:27 PM UTC-4, odyssey...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> i have only seen maybe 3 or 4 people posting in here over that last few
>> months?
>>
>> so where is everyone?
>>
>> still there but life getting in the way? gone off to some FaceBook page?
>> or just given up on the hobby?
>>
>> chris
>>
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RE: [TANKS] Re: where is everyone?

[A Martin]

I'm still here lurking in the background, telling myself one day soon I will 
build one, slowly gathering bits, but with a house extension I'm building, a 
property in France I'm renovating and two young children not to mention trying 
to stay in the other half's good books, me time is on an all time low lol 

Regards 
Al

Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone

 Stu Cameron wrote 

>I still have three tanks in various states of repair.  
>T-047 and my M5A1 could be running in a few weeks, but the M4A1 is still an 
>early prototype.
>They don't do well just sitting on a shelf (and I have been working on 
>houses, motorcycles and Star Wars stuff), so I am waiting for an RC Tank 
>event to justify getting them up and running.
>
>Stu
>
>On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 5:52:27 PM UTC-4, odyssey...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> i have only seen maybe 3 or 4 people posting in here over that last few 
>> months?
>>
>> so where is everyone?
>>
>> still there but life getting in the way? gone off to some FaceBook page? 
>> or just given up on the hobby?
>>
>> chris
>>
> 
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[TANKS] Re: where is everyone?

[Stu Cameron]

>
> All,
>

This is Stu Cameron, in Severna Park MD.  I still have most of three tanks 
laying around doing nothing.  I could have T-047 and a Stuart M5A1 
operational in a week or two, but the M4A1 Sherman is still in the rough 
prototype phase.  I have been bogged down by other expenses and hobbies 
(for most of the last 15 years).  As tank events are few and far between, I 
wait for an event/deadline to inspire me to get off my butt and go to war.

Stu

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[TANKS] Re: where is everyone?

[Stu Cameron]

I still have three tanks in various states of repair.  
T-047 and my M5A1 could be running in a few weeks, but the M4A1 is still an 
early prototype.
They don't do well just sitting on a shelf (and I have been working on 
houses, motorcycles and Star Wars stuff), so I am waiting for an RC Tank 
event to justify getting them up and running.

Stu

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> i have only seen maybe 3 or 4 people posting in here over that last few 
> months?
>
> so where is everyone?
>
> still there but life getting in the way? gone off to some FaceBook page? 
> or just given up on the hobby?
>
> chris
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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where is everyone?

[odysseyslipways via R/C Tank Combat]

i'm siting here in front of this laptop again where i normally am (any more)

so, what tank are you looking to build?

chris

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Where is everyone?



Ahah!


On Jan 28, 2018 9:51 AM, "Fred Thomson" <f...@thomson-online.org> wrote:

 I've been lurking around in the shadows the last couple of years... 
collecting parts... 
drawing blueprints... 
puttering around with suspension ideas... ((F*ck it. Straight Axle)
trying to figure out how to replace an induction joystick with something r/c...
experimenting with ESC's... 
bought a milling machine (to learn how to mill my own stuff, YIKES!)... 
learning the pros and cons of 3D printing as it applies to our hobby...
experimenting with a RaspberryPi (Guess what I want to hide in a turret? If 
you're thinking laser auto targeting, give yourself a slap. A really hard 
one.)...
Playing with a "dashboard" idea that displays data from different sensors in 
the tank...
Thinking of a use for LEDs. Next beast may have working lights...

Between work and illness not much left over for tank building. Although 
occasionally , I do hear 28 feet of 2060 attachment chain calling to me when I 
go into the garage, demanding I build a tank for it...

 




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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where is everyone?

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Ahah!

On Jan 28, 2018 9:51 AM, "Fred Thomson"  wrote:

>  I've been lurking around in the shadows the last couple of years...
> collecting parts...
> drawing blueprints...
> puttering around with suspension ideas... ((F*ck it. Straight Axle)
> trying to figure out how to replace an induction joystick with something
> r/c...
> experimenting with ESC's...
> bought a milling machine (to learn how to mill my own stuff, YIKES!)...
> learning the pros and cons of 3D printing as it applies to our hobby...
> experimenting with a RaspberryPi (Guess what I want to hide in a turret?
> If you're thinking laser auto targeting, give yourself a slap. A really
> hard one.)...
> Playing with a "dashboard" idea that displays data from different sensors
> in the tank...
> Thinking of a use for LEDs. Next beast may have working lights...
>
> Between work and illness not much left over for tank building. Although
> occasionally , I do hear 28 feet of 2060 attachment chain calling to me
> when I go into the garage, demanding I build a tank for it...
>
>
>
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[TANKS] Re: Where is everyone?

[Fred Thomson]

 I've been lurking around in the shadows the last couple of years... 
collecting parts... 
drawing blueprints... 
puttering around with suspension ideas... ((F*ck it. Straight Axle)
trying to figure out how to replace an induction joystick with something 
r/c...
experimenting with ESC's... 
bought a milling machine (to learn how to mill my own stuff, YIKES!)... 
learning the pros and cons of 3D printing as it applies to our hobby...
experimenting with a RaspberryPi (Guess what I want to hide in a turret? If 
you're thinking laser auto targeting, give yourself a slap. A really hard 
one.)...
Playing with a "dashboard" idea that displays data from different sensors 
in the tank...
Thinking of a use for LEDs. Next beast may have working lights...

Between work and illness not much left over for tank building. Although 
occasionally , I do hear 28 feet of 2060 attachment chain calling to me 
when I go into the garage, demanding I build a tank for it...

 


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[TANKS] Re: Where are the local battles in Mi

[tdobbins381]

Is' there any one that lives in or around Ann Arbor Mi that has a 1/6
tank that I can go  look at?

On Mar 3, 12:08 pm, Steve Tyng steve...@gmail.com wrote:
 As there's only one active group in the the US, the closest battles
 you can come and watch (for free) are in Maryland or Pennsylvania.  We
 typically battle twice a year in the spring and fall.  The 2011
 schedule hasn't been set yet so I can't give you any dates.

 Steve Tyng

 On Mar 3, 8:26 am, tdobbins381 tdobbins...@yahoo.com wrote:

  When  where are there battles in or a round Ann Arbor Mi?
  Do they cost to just go watch?



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[TANKS] Re: Where are the local battles in Mi

[Steve Tyng]

As there's only one active group in the the US, the closest battles
you can come and watch (for free) are in Maryland or Pennsylvania.  We
typically battle twice a year in the spring and fall.  The 2011
schedule hasn't been set yet so I can't give you any dates.

Steve Tyng

On Mar 3, 8:26 am, tdobbins381 tdobbins...@yahoo.com wrote:
 When  where are there battles in or a round Ann Arbor Mi?
 Do they cost to just go watch?

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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Fred Thomson]

Gregory and Clark...

 Yeah, DSL has a smaller footprint but the builder (Me :-) ) has more
experience with Puppy Linux (and OpenSuse, and Redhat, and SLED, and
SLES, etc.).
 Yeah, I could attach a bluetooth dongle and a Wiimote but why? Heck,
I *could* put a dongle on it and control it with my cellphone but
again I ask, why? It is not that I am going to use the pc to control
the tank (I think I'll use a PS2 controller and C6C), but rather use
it (the PC) to run some auxiliary, none critical, fun to have, things.
 I work with servers, networks, firewalls, etc every day, I do want
video from my tank but I don't want it begin to resemble my
'work'. :-)

Cheers,
Fred

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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[callum.king.underw...@googlemail.com]

The wii light bar is the transmitter for the Ir. the remote is
actually the reciever. You can use two of those little tea light
candles. Doesnt work well but ive tried it and it usualy works to an
extent. The IR just tells it whether its pointed at the telly or not.
For a tank that wouldnt be necessary id say

On Feb 27, 10:00 pm, Gregory Kampjes sockles...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Wiimote uses Bluetooth to communicate with the console. The light bar is
 just there to help the Wiimote sync with where the TV actually is. You can
 theoretically use it without a light bar, but I haven't tested it myself.

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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Steve Tyng]

Translation:

Don is planning on using two Wii controller accessories (the
Nunchuk's, not the Wii controller) to provide four analog position
signals and two on/off switch functions to his custom wireless control
system.  Sounds like a fun project but offers no advantages beyond the
current PS2 controller or standard R/C system options.  The purported
advanced features of the Wii controller are not used in this scheme at
all.

Some thoughts:

  - Two Nunchucks cost the same as one PS2 controller which offers the
the same number of joysticks and many more switching options
  - Adapting the long range wireless tech mentioned to a more flexible
controller would be more beneficial to the hobby
  - Having two separate hand controllers as described would leave no
hand free for wiping paint off your mask
  - A dangling controller while wiping paint off your mask could lead
to inadvertent tank movement and/or gun discharge


Steve Still using the old Futaba Tyng


On Mar 1, 3:06 pm, Don Shankin dshan...@gmail.com wrote:
 For what it's worth, I am planning on using wii controllers for my Abrams
 tank.  I haven't read through this entire thread as it's rather long.  I
 have skimmed parts, and would like to address some of the things I've read.
 If these points have already been resolved, please disregard my addition.

 First of all, there are several interfaces on the wii controllers.  Yes,
 there is an infrared interface.  There is also a bluetooth interface.  Using
 a wii controller does not require you to use infrared.

 The wii controllers have several features that can used to control a tank,
 including accelerometers and analog joysticks (on the nunchuk component).
 The wii controller is far from being useless to control a tank

 For my control system, I have designed (and produced) a working pcb, and
 written microcontroller code that reads the analog joysticks on the wii
 nunchuks.  I will be using an xbee wireless serial link to connect the
 transmitter and receiver boards that I have designed.  This will allow me to
 use a wii nunchuk in each hand, using one joystick for tank movement, and
 the other joystick for turret movement.  There are even well placed index
 finger trigger buttons on each nunchuk for firing.  Far from useless :-)

 Oh, and there are xbee modules available that allow for up to 15 miles
 ranges on clear days (which don't operate in the 2.4ghz spectrum, so no
 interference from cell towers, wifi hotspots, and microwaves like you have
 with bluetooth)

 (For the record, I think this list is awesome... sarcasm, nay-saying, and
 all  :-)
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 IEEE Vice Chair, MTU Chapter
 NSBE Telecommunications Chair, MTU Chapter
 dtsha...@mtu.edu
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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Clark Ward Jr]

You get paint on your mask?  noob alert, Clark is a tank noob

Seriously, I hadn't thought about it!

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Patron]

@Steve:
Where do you shop for Nunchucks? The lowest I've ever seen them was a 
Generic for $14.99. The Nintendo official ones are $24.99. Both of 
those prices are for new ones.

However, PS2 controllers go as low as $9.99 brand new.

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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[copperhead]

RE:Clarification
1) regarding the annexation of Massachusetts: I've lived in Florida
for 8 years now, but I still fondly recall another saying that was
frequently used in in my former state of residence that would start
near the end of basketball season:
YANKEES SUCK!!
2) regarding the spelling of color/colour, I would repectfully point
out that both spellings are wrong because of the improper use of the
letter R. Anyone from the original 13 states should know we export
our Rs to Canada where they are remanufactured into As. And FYI: I
don't pak the caa in havad yad anymore.
3) Try a zebra cammo scheme, aka disruptive or jazz. Not very
authentic but might work since we will all struggle with reltively
small moving targets at didstance and be using optical tracking (i.e.
mk 1 eyeball).

- Martin

On Feb 26, 11:34 pm, jvragu47 jpl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On Feb 26, 3:47 pm, Patron saintofswitchbla...@tmail.com wrote:



   More than enough for Tank combat. They're also relatively easy
  to find and come in a wide variety of colours.

  Cheers,
  -J
   We have a little saying in Massachusetts. Maybe one day you'll get
  horribly sick and die.

 Okay. We need some clarification folks.

 1. Unless I'm mistaken ,I believe that the residents of the fair state
 of Massachusetts stopped spelling the word colors as colours,3 years
 after Yorktowne.( I looked this up on Wikipedia-big smile)
 2.So, Monsieur Patron. Are you preparing for the annexation of
 Massachusetts to the UK?
 3. Which color do you feel will give me an edge over the other thumb
 sucking, er , I mean thumb using battlers?

 John

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Susan Gutbrodt]

Hey, YO, Johnny Ragu you need me to take care of this ??? (wink/ nod)

You know who from The Alliance

- Original Message - 
From: copperhead martin.hels...@earthlink.net

To: R/C Tank Combat rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:14 PM
Subject: [TANKS] Re: Where to..


RE:Clarification
1) regarding the annexation of Massachusetts: I've lived in Florida
for 8 years now, but I still fondly recall another saying that was
frequently used in in my former state of residence that would start
near the end of basketball season:
YANKEES SUCK!!
2) regarding the spelling of color/colour, I would repectfully point
out that both spellings are wrong because of the improper use of the
letter R. Anyone from the original 13 states should know we export
our Rs to Canada where they are remanufactured into As. And FYI: I
don't pak the caa in havad yad anymore.
3) Try a zebra cammo scheme, aka disruptive or jazz. Not very
authentic but might work since we will all struggle with reltively
small moving targets at didstance and be using optical tracking (i.e.
mk 1 eyeball).

- Martin

On Feb 26, 11:34 pm, jvragu47 jpl...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Feb 26, 3:47 pm, Patron saintofswitchbla...@tmail.com wrote:



 More than enough for Tank combat. They're also relatively easy
 to find and come in a wide variety of colours.

 Cheers,
 -J
  We have a little saying in Massachusetts. Maybe one day you'll get
 horribly sick and die.

Okay. We need some clarification folks.

1. Unless I'm mistaken ,I believe that the residents of the fair state
of Massachusetts stopped spelling the word colors as colours,3 years
after Yorktowne.( I looked this up on Wikipedia-big smile)
2.So, Monsieur Patron. Are you preparing for the annexation of
Massachusetts to the UK?
3. Which color do you feel will give me an edge over the other thumb
sucking, er , I mean thumb using battlers?

John


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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Fred Thomson]

On Feb 26, 9:56 pm, Patron saintofswitchbla...@tmail.com wrote:
 First off, don't be a dick. If I wanted that, I'd look to someone who
 wouldn't need a microscope to find theirs.
snip

/|\ This from someone looking for an exchange of ideas as MATURE
ADULTS???
 |

 I think it's called humour (I'm Canadian and it IS spelled that way)
tongue in cheek or with a grain of salt if you prefer.

 If you go back and re-read with your sense of outrage on hold, you
will find that basically you have been given some pretty good advice
on what works and what doesn't. Added up (collectively), you've got
thirty plus years of experience telling you just because you CAN do
something doesn't mean it will be practical. :-)

 Personally, for my first tank I would stick with control systems that
are proven to work in this arena. Build it, take it out and abuse it
and get to know what kind of environment, stresses, and operating
conditions it will have to function in. After that, if you still think
it is a viable option, then build a test vehicle and have at it. Post
your successes and failures (and yes, you will have them).

 I can see a couple of reasons right off why I wouldn't use it. The
Wii receiver is designed to sit in a motionless, (relatively) dust
free, moisture free, and vibration free environment. The pounding a
1/6th scale tank can take during the course of a test run, not to
mention actual combat, may surprise you. Picture taking your Wii
receiver up to waist height and dropping it, repeatedly. Yes, they do
generate those kinds of impacts and more. So there is the first
problem you have to over come.
 The other battlers may not always be able to see your tank but they
will see YOU, your relative position, facing, and exaggerated arm/hand
movements they will know where your tank is headed and you may well
arrive only to find you've motored into an ambush.
 From my limited experience with Wii, I think you will find that the
controllers don't react fast enough or with nearly enough precision.

 While it might be 'cool' to do, IMHO I think you'll soon realize that
it just won't work in this scenario. Besides, there are lots more
'cool' things to put in a tank. For example...(and I'm a geek for a
living)

Webcams (driver's view, gunner's view, rear view) running under
Zoneminder on Puppy Linux with a Mini-itx motherboard and a 16gb
compact flash drive with a couple of inexpensive usb flash drives to
hold video captures (with sound).

Laser Sight (Yeah, I know the draw backs).

Functioning machine gun (airsoft?)

Mortars. :-)

Smoke screen generator.

...and the list goes on.

Cheers,
Fred I'm sorry I ran over your tank. I was aiming for your foot.
Thomson

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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Fred Thomson]

Close Captioning brought to you in whole or part by...

The Northern Barbarians
Central Alberta Division

Fred I'm sorry I ran over your support vehicle, I was aiming for your
foot. Thomson

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Gregory Kampjes]

The Wiimote uses Bluetooth to communicate with the console. The light bar is
just there to help the Wiimote sync with where the TV actually is. You can
theoretically use it without a light bar, but I haven't tested it myself. If
you were going to stick a mini-/nano-/pico- ITX into your tank for whatever,
you might as well attach a Bluetooth dongle to it and use a Wiimote. Also
you'd be better off running Damn Small Linux rather than Puppy Linux =)

-Gregory

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 The Northern Barbarians
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 Fred I'm sorry I ran over your support vehicle, I was aiming for your
 foot. Thomson

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Clark Ward Jr]

DSL for the win!  I'm with Greg :)
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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Mark_123521]

I'll never pick up another Wii!!!
The last one I used cost me a $3000 check, to cover the 52 TV I
through it through!!
OOPS!
(You gotta remember to use the wrist strap - damn it!)


Mark

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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[jvragu47]

Mr. Patron,
 Are you feeling better now? I'm sorry that you did not understand
that each statement was a small joke. It was just my tired way of
trying to share some humor,somewhat like the observations of the late
George Carlin. There were no personal attacks intended. So, build your
tank, come to the Old Line State, and you can paint me up.
Perhaps like the way Patton wanted to face Rommel as mentioned in
the movie. Each one in their own tank and then have at it.
Okay, now to get back to my latest project. Building a new tank.

John

Fred: You may add any interpretive comments you deem necessary.

Oh yes, Lily was my dalmation and Ragu a nickname from band.






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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Frank Pittelli]

In the immortal words of Dan Ackroyd, Steve you ignorant slut :-)

Indeed, those of us with advanced wisdom are also a little long in the 
tooth as well, but that doesn't mean that what we speak is not the 
truth.  The Wii controller is great for playing video ping pong (not 
like the PONG I grew up on), but there is absolutely no way that it can 
be used on the battlefield.  First of all, it requires an infared 
transmitter to be placed on the tank (or vice versa) and the transmitter 
has to be pointed at the operator at all times.  Even if someone could 
concoct a solution to that problem, using infared communication in 
bright sunlight with obstacles all over the place would have to be overcome.


But, for the sake of academic debate, let's assume that someone solves 
all those problems and actually gets a Wii controller to work with a 
tank on the battlefield (for which I will give a crisp $100 bill). 
Comparing the Wii controller to a PS2 gamepad or even an R/C transmitter 
is not even a comparison.  Using arm motions and wrist swirls to 
replaced precise thumb joystick motions is insanity, trying to reverse a 
few million years of evolution.  Of course, given your penchant for 
wooden building materials, I can see how such prehistoric control would 
appeal to you, Mr. Tyng, but those of us living in the 21st century are 
better suited to use modern solutions.


When it comes to innovation I have one simple rule:  If it's not being 
demonstrated on the battlefield, then it's just talk.


Frank P.

Steve Tyng wrote:

Now see here Frank.  We all know you have that steadily progressing
dementia thing going on and know how you tend to scoff at new ideas
and all.  Us vets who know and love you dearly make allowances for
that.  For who doesn't love the old coot in the corner when they wane
nostalgic about the good old days and complain about all the
newfangled contraptions in the world?  Young Jago doesn't know you and
may take your ramblings more personal than those of us who know
better.  Please remember to be civil to the new guys like we've asked
you too do over and over.  Would it help if we wrote it on your bib
our something?


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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Joe Sommer]

On Feb 26, 11:59 am, Frank Pittelli frank.pitte...@gmail.com wrote:
 But, for the sake of academic debate, let's assume that someone solves
 all those problems and actually gets a Wii controller to work with a
 tank on the battlefield (for which I will give a crisp $100 bill).

Did he say academic debate?

In his haste, Dr. Pittelli failed to provide constraints
for the criterion gets a Wii controller to work with a
tank on the battlefield.  One need not use the IR or
IMU features of a Wii to win this new Pitelli Prize.
Rather one need only interface the A/B buttons to fire
a weapon or the thumbstick to drive the tank.

I foresee sharing the crisp $100 prize with some hungry
graduate student.

Joe


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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Patron]

Joe,
I recommend a PS3 controller then. It is Bluetooth, with a USB 
rechargeable battery. Not only that it has 10 buttons, Thumb sticks and 
a D pad. More than enough for Tank combat. They're also relatively easy 
to find and come in a wide variety of colours.


Cheers,
-J
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:45, Joe Sommer wrote:


On Feb 26, 11:59 am, Frank Pittelli frank.pitte...@gmail.com wrote:

 But, for the sake of academic debate, let's assume that someone solves
 all those problems and actually gets a Wii controller to work with a
 tank on the battlefield (for which I will give a crisp $100 bill).


Did he say academic debate?

In his haste, Dr. Pittelli failed to provide constraints
for the criterion gets a Wii controller to work with a
tank on the battlefield.  One need not use the IR or
IMU features of a Wii to win this new Pitelli Prize.
Rather one need only interface the A/B buttons to fire
a weapon or the thumbstick to drive the tank.

I foresee sharing the crisp $100 prize with some hungry
graduate student.

Joe


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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[copperhead]

What is the problem with kiddie car motors?
If the tank is under 50#, should there be a problem?
I know most tanks out there are heavy, but I am stillbuilding track
for my m-10 WOlverine and hope to be a lightweight that runs on
KCMs ...
- Martin


On Feb 26, 3:47 pm, Patron saintofswitchbla...@tmail.com wrote:
 Joe,
 I recommend a PS3 controller then. It is Bluetooth, with a USB
 rechargeable battery. Not only that it has 10 buttons, Thumb sticks and
 a D pad. More than enough for Tank combat. They're also relatively easy
 to find and come in a wide variety of colours.

 Cheers,
 -J



 On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:45, Joe Sommer wrote:

  On Feb 26, 11:59 am, Frank Pittelli frank.pitte...@gmail.com wrote:
   But, for the sake of academic debate, let's assume that someone solves
   all those problems and actually gets a Wii controller to work with a
   tank on the battlefield (for which I will give a crisp $100 bill).

  Did he say academic debate?

  In his haste, Dr. Pittelli failed to provide constraints
  for the criterion gets a Wii controller to work with a
  tank on the battlefield.  One need not use the IR or
  IMU features of a Wii to win this new Pitelli Prize.
  Rather one need only interface the A/B buttons to fire
  a weapon or the thumbstick to drive the tank.

  I foresee sharing the crisp $100 prize with some hungry
  graduate student.

  Joe

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Frank Pittelli]

copperhead wrote:

What is the problem with kiddie car motors?
If the tank is under 50#, should there be a problem?


KCMs would be OK for a 50 pound vehicle, but you'll also need to gear 
them up a little (1.5 or 2 to 1) because they typically run a little 
slower (e.g. 200 RPM) then our normal speed (e.g., 400 RPM).


Another potential problem is their size and layout.  Since they 
typically use plastic gearboxes, they take up more space than other 
geared motors.  But, assuming you have the room, that's not an issue.


Frank P.

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Frank Pittelli]

Joe Sommer wrote:

Did he say academic debate?
 
I foresee sharing the crisp $100 prize with some hungry

graduate student.


I knew the term academic would have Prof. Sommer chiming in with an 
RD Proposal, request for funding, and an offer to pimp out a graduate 
student :-)


I say good luck to any grad student who gets the Wii controller and 
infrared transmitter working properly on a moving vehicle on the 
battlefield, even if only the buttons are used.  The sun has a little 
more power than the controller LED and infrared detectors can't see 
through paint!!


Besides, the $100 offer was funded by selling some of your stuff at the 
Techno Swap Fest. So, in either case, a check in that amount will be 
heading north soon ... either payable to you or one of your grad 
students ... your choice ;-)


Frank P.



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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Clark Ward Jr]

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Frank Pittelli
frank.pitte...@gmail.com wrote:
 I knew the term academic would have Prof. Sommer chiming in with an RD
 Proposal, request for funding, and an offer to pimp out a graduate student
 :-)


Best LOL all day...  nicely done!


-- 
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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[copperhead]

On Feb 26, 5:39 pm, Clark Ward Jr ki4...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Frank Pittelli

 frank.pitte...@gmail.com wrote:
KCMs would be OK for a 50 pound vehicle, but you'll also need to gear
them up a little (1.5 or 2 to 1) because they typically run a little 
slower (e.g. 200 RPM) then our normal speed (e.g., 400 RPM).

Another potential problem is their size and layout.  Since they
typically use plastic gearboxes, they take up more space than other
geared motors.  But, assuming you have the room, that's not an issue.

OK

The bottom half of the m-10 is a sherman hull and the KCMs that I have
phsically fit with no trouble.
I have my EastCoastArmory bogies built so I just need to assemble the
tracks.
m-10 turret = plenty of room for a paintball gun so I wont run into my
m-3 stuart problems this time :-)

Thanks (again) Frank
- Martin

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RE: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Ben Holko]

The infra-red component of the Wii Remote is only to detect which way it is 
pointing so that it can be used similar to a mouse pointer. You can interface 
to it using Bluetooth only.

From Wikipedia:

Third-party use
Since the release of the Wii console, people have been exploring different new 
ways in which to use the Wii Remote. Many third-party applications are 
currently in development through Wii homebrew.[1] One popular Windows program 
called GlovePIE allows the Wii Remote to be used on a personal computer to 
emulate a keyboard, mouse or joystick. Connecting the Wii Remote to a personal 
computer is done via a Bluetooth connection. The Bluetooth program BlueSoleil 
has been proven to successfully connect a Wii Remote to a PC. Still another 
program (like GlovePIE) is needed to utilize the Wii Remote's protocol and to 
use the data it offers.

The Wii Remote Bluetooth protocol can be implemented on other devices including 
cell phones, which often have poor usability with games. Two students have 
demonstrated this concept by creating a driver software that has the capability 
to connect the Wii Remote to a Symbian OS smartphone. The idea behind this 
driver is that a mobile phone with a TV-out port can replace the game 
console.[7]

Programmer Johnny Lee has posted video demos and sample code at his website 
related to the use of the Wii Remote for finger tracking, low-cost multipoint 
interactive whiteboards, and head tracking for desktop VR displays. This was 
the subject for his presentation at the prestigious TED conference, where he 
demonstrated several such applications. The WiimoteProject forum has become the 
discussion, support and sharing site for Lee's Wii Remote projects and other 
newer developments.

The Wii Remote is also used in fields outside of standard computing. The United 
States government has experimented with using it to control Packbot, a bomb 
disposal robot.[8] Studies have also been conducted to use the Wii Remote as a 
practice method to fine-tune surgeons' hand motions.[9] Utilizing 
DarwiinRemote, researchers at the University of Memphis have adapted the Wii 
Remote for data collection in cognitive psychology experiments.[10] Autodesk 
has released a plugin that allows the Wii Remote to control orientation of 3D 
models in Autodesk Design Review.[11]



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From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com [mailto:rctankcom...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of copperhead
Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2010 10:07 AM
To: R/C Tank Combat
Subject: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

On Feb 26, 5:39 pm, Clark Ward Jr ki4...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Frank Pittelli

 frank.pitte...@gmail.com wrote:
KCMs would be OK for a 50 pound vehicle, but you'll also need to gear 
them up a little (1.5 or 2 to 1) because they typically run a little  
slower (e.g. 200 RPM) then our normal speed (e.g., 400 RPM).

Another potential problem is their size and layout.  Since they 
typically use plastic gearboxes, they take up more space than other 
geared motors.  But, assuming you have the room, that's not an issue.

OK

The bottom half of the m-10 is a sherman hull and the KCMs that I have 
phsically fit with no trouble.
I have my EastCoastArmory bogies built so I just need to assemble the tracks.
m-10 turret = plenty of room for a paintball gun so I wont run into my
m-3 stuart problems this time :-)

Thanks (again) Frank
- Martin

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Frank Pittelli]

Ben Holko wrote:

The infra-red component of the Wii Remote is only to detect which way
it is pointing so that it can be used similar to a mouse pointer. You
can interface to it using Bluetooth only.


Congratulations ... you've answered an academic question with an 
academic answer.  Build it, prove it works and then you win the $100. 
It's all *talk* at this point.


Frank P.

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RE: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Ben Holko]

So sorry for talking on a discussion board. Much better we all go back to being 
disconnected.


-Original Message-
From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com [mailto:rctankcom...@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Frank Pittelli
Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2010 12:47 PM
To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

Ben Holko wrote:
 The infra-red component of the Wii Remote is only to detect which way 
 it is pointing so that it can be used similar to a mouse pointer. You 
 can interface to it using Bluetooth only.

Congratulations ... you've answered an academic question with an academic 
answer.  Build it, prove it works and then you win the $100. 
It's all *talk* at this point.

Frank P.

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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[jvragu47]

On Feb 26, 3:47 pm, Patron saintofswitchbla...@tmail.com wrote:


  More than enough for Tank combat. They're also relatively easy
 to find and come in a wide variety of colours.

 Cheers,
 -J
  We have a little saying in Massachusetts. Maybe one day you'll get
 horribly sick and die.

Okay. We need some clarification folks.

1. Unless I'm mistaken ,I believe that the residents of the fair state
of Massachusetts stopped spelling the word colors as colours,3 years
after Yorktowne.( I looked this up on Wikipedia-big smile)
2.So, Monsieur Patron. Are you preparing for the annexation of
Massachusetts to the UK?
3. Which color do you feel will give me an edge over the other thumb
sucking, er , I mean thumb using battlers?

John

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Patron]

First off, don't be a dick. If I wanted that, I'd look to someone who 
wouldn't need a microscope to find theirs.
Moreover, I don't tolerate that from anyone anyway, least of all someone 
who (big smile) has Ragu as a screen name or Lily as an email address. 
You're either a cheap pasta sauce, or a flower. Oooh. Big insults and 
expectations here, kids.


I spell Colour, Favourite and a few other words in the European style 
out of force of Habit. YOU be married to someone from the UK and not 
pick up some of their spelling and grammatical differences.


And ColoUr has no advantage. It was simply an Alternative to the: White, 
Black, Neon Pink or Neon Blue Wii remotes. Which, while functional look 
outright silly in most Adult Hands.


Honestly, I'm starting not to like this group. Since I've joined, I've 
been verbally assaulted by two of your members. If this is how you treat 
someone who took an honest interest in this as a hobby and wanted to 
know more, and who hoped for an exchange of ideas as MATURE ADULTS, then 
I think I may be in the wrong place.




On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:34, jvragu47 wrote:



On Feb 26, 3:47 pm, Patron saintofswitchbla...@tmail.com wrote:



  More than enough for Tank combat. They're also relatively easy
 to find and come in a wide variety of colours.

 Cheers,
 -J
  We have a little saying in Massachusetts. Maybe one day you'll get
 horribly sick and die.


Okay. We need some clarification folks.

1. Unless I'm mistaken ,I believe that the residents of the fair state
of Massachusetts stopped spelling the word colors as colours,3 years
after Yorktowne.( I looked this up on Wikipedia-big smile)
2.So, Monsieur Patron. Are you preparing for the annexation of
Massachusetts to the UK?
3. Which color do you feel will give me an edge over the other thumb
sucking, er , I mean thumb using battlers?

John

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Derek Engelhaupt]

Well, I have been a member of the list since sometime in late 2005.  Geez,
never
really noticed it had been that long.  In that time, I haven't ever seen a
conversation
deteriorate to the point this one has.  Most of us are adults (not all -
some are under
the age of 18 and I don't mean that intellectually).  Of all the forums and
Email lists I
have been a member of, this one has always been the most civil and free of
crap.  For
those of us that have been on the list for a long time, these types of
conversations are
like bad pennies.  They just keep showing up.  People have big dreams of
innovation
and revolutionizing the hobby, but in the end most of those folks rarely
build a vehicle
that can compete with the current vehicles with all of their antiquated
systems.  There
are exceptions to that rule.  Doug has actually brought his computerized
monstrosity to
fruition (Doug and I have exchanged parts over the last couple of years so
hopefully he
won't take offense to me calling his backpack a monstrosity).  I meant it in
the nicest way.  :)
Joe Sommer has built devices for folks (like me) and taken his time and
money to bulk
import motors from China when they weren't readily available (for people
like me - thanks Joe).
I'm definitely not perfect though.  I once made on off color comment about
French tanks...boy
was I lambasted about that, but I got over it and just refrained from doing
it again.  I also have
3 tanks in the works and none of them are completely operational.   All
three of them do run
via remote control (or soon will in the case of the KV-2).  Seeing as I live
in MN and no one
else around me has a vehicle near the same level of completion, I've had no
reason to
dedicate all of my time to getting just one fully functional for battle.
Steve, Joe, Frank, John,
and Will have seen many tankers come and go with big ideas.  They on the
other hand have all
contributed to the hobby in countless other ways and just because I didn't
mention their achievements
individually doesn't mean that they weren't important (like the
www.cheapcontrolsystems.com
system or all the motor testing Joe has done at his own expense).  I think
everyone just got off
on the wrong foot.  At this point, it's going to go one of two ways.  Either
the parties involved will
apologize for the misunderstandings or they won't.  I will say that I don't
believe the public list is
the proper place to have it out.  JMHO.  How about 'dem Bears?

Derek
T065



On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Patron saintofswitchbla...@tmail.comwrote:

 First off, don't be a dick. If I wanted that, I'd look to someone who
 wouldn't need a microscope to find theirs.
 Moreover, I don't tolerate that from anyone anyway, least of all someone
 who (big smile) has Ragu as a screen name or Lily as an email address.
 You're either a cheap pasta sauce, or a flower. Oooh. Big insults and
 expectations here, kids.

 I spell Colour, Favourite and a few other words in the European style out
 of force of Habit. YOU be married to someone from the UK and not pick up
 some of their spelling and grammatical differences.

 And ColoUr has no advantage. It was simply an Alternative to the: White,
 Black, Neon Pink or Neon Blue Wii remotes. Which, while functional look
 outright silly in most Adult Hands.

 Honestly, I'm starting not to like this group. Since I've joined, I've been
 verbally assaulted by two of your members. If this is how you treat someone
 who took an honest interest in this as a hobby and wanted to know more, and
 who hoped for an exchange of ideas as MATURE ADULTS, then I think I may be
 in the wrong place.



 On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:34, jvragu47 wrote:



 On Feb 26, 3:47 pm, Patron saintofswitchbla...@tmail.com wrote:



  More than enough for Tank combat. They're also relatively easy
  to find and come in a wide variety of colours.

  Cheers,
  -J
   We have a little saying in Massachusetts. Maybe one day you'll get
  horribly sick and die.


 Okay. We need some clarification folks.

 1. Unless I'm mistaken ,I believe that the residents of the fair state
 of Massachusetts stopped spelling the word colors as colours,3 years
 after Yorktowne.( I looked this up on Wikipedia-big smile)
 2.So, Monsieur Patron. Are you preparing for the annexation of
 Massachusetts to the UK?
 3. Which color do you feel will give me an edge over the other thumb
 sucking, er , I mean thumb using battlers?

 John

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Frank Pittelli]

Patron wrote:
Since I've joined, I've 
been verbally assaulted by two of your members. 


Huh?  Please feel free to quote the messages that you feel verbally 
assaulted you and we'll let the members decide what should be done.


My original message said that it would indeed be fair for you to use 
an arm-mounted control system and, in fact, I encouraged you to be the 
first such person to bring one to the battlefield.  It wasn't my best 
sarcastic work (I'm working on a new curve-ball delivery), but you 
didn't give me much to work with.


Fred Thomson translated my humor for you, just in case you didn't know 
how to read sarcasm.  Thanks Fred.  In the future, I'll have Fred add a 
closed caption version at the bottom of all my messages for the 
reading impaired.


You then responded with a message that ended with Maybe one day you'll 
get horribly sick and die.   Which, I believe is the equivalent of 
nanny, nanny, boo, boo ... your pants are on fire.


Then my good friend Mr. Tyng made fun of me and my ways ... which was 
totally within his rights as a close friend, totally in keeping with 
almost 10 years of on-going banter on this mailing list and, as a matter 
of fact, quite witty for someone like Mr. Tyng (who reportedly was held 
back in kindergarten because he wanted to use a wooden pencil instead of 
crayons).


Mr. Conn couldn't help but add his two cents worth (he's literally paid 
by Microsoft to put down anyone who advocates open-source computing), 
indicating that my medication rate was possibly too low.  I have, of 
course, sent his name to the White House for consideration as the head 
of their new health care program.


Then you stated that I took him as a grumpy stick in the mud.  Ouch.

Ignoring your seething comment, I respond to Mr. Tyng in a manner that 
has been seen hundreds of times on this list over the years.  Dr. Sommer 
threw me a softball pitch and I hit it back up the middle with force. 
(Please, no extra comments on that sentence :-)


And, then my brother decided to throw a little humor back at you and you 
now declare the whole list to be a horrible place to visit.


So, before you rant back at all of us and tell us that we don't know how 
to treat newbies, I encourage you to do a little research and find out 
who you are accusing.  I'll make it easier and give you our full names 
in a convenient list:


Frank Pittelli
John Pittelli
Steve Tyng
Joe Sommer

A couple quick searches of the mailing list archive and the R/C Tank 
Combat website will probably provide you with some valuable insight.  If 
you want more input, feel free to post a message and ask all 271 members 
how many of them were helped by one or more of the people on that list 
when they were a newbie.  (By the way, I can honestly say that I was the 
only newbie in the hobby who didn't receive any help from anybody.)


To my knowledge, you are the first person in almost 10 years who thinks 
that our little mailing list is not a nice place to visit and that the 
people in the list above are just mean people who like putting down 
every newbie who comes along.  You couldn't be further from the truth.


Frank P.

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Gregory Kampjes]

I think that everyone should just chill and forget this ever happened. It
doesn't matter if you spell color or colour, they are the same word, just
different spelling. I too have never seen conversation deteriorate to this
level before. This group is meant to be for the discussion of remote control
tank combat, not for the discussion of regional spelling differences and a
haven for spelling Nazis.

Anyway. Wiimotes have been used by people as computer mice and to control
USB missile launchers. They are perfectly capable of controlling an RC tank,
as they have built in accelerometers and gyroscopes as well as having an IR
sensor. The IR sensor is only there for synchronising (with no Z) I believe.
Whether or not it would be a good controller is up to debate, as the Wiimote
motion sensing would probably be used for turret aiming, which leaves the
t-pad t control movement. I think the t-pad is digital, unless it is touch
sensitive, like the PS2 controllers, but the touch sensitivity on those
suck.

I would take up the challenge, but since I'm not in the USA, It would be
hard to get the money, plus the system would cost more than $100.

-Gregory Kampjes

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Frank Pittelli frank.pitte...@gmail.comwrote:

 Patron wrote:

 Since I've joined, I've been verbally assaulted by two of your members.


 Huh?  Please feel free to quote the messages that you feel verbally
 assaulted you and we'll let the members decide what should be done.

 My original message said that it would indeed be fair for you to use an
 arm-mounted control system and, in fact, I encouraged you to be the first
 such person to bring one to the battlefield.  It wasn't my best sarcastic
 work (I'm working on a new curve-ball delivery), but you didn't give me much
 to work with.

 Fred Thomson translated my humor for you, just in case you didn't know how
 to read sarcasm.  Thanks Fred.  In the future, I'll have Fred add a closed
 caption version at the bottom of all my messages for the reading impaired.

 You then responded with a message that ended with Maybe one day you'll get
 horribly sick and die.   Which, I believe is the equivalent of nanny,
 nanny, boo, boo ... your pants are on fire.

 Then my good friend Mr. Tyng made fun of me and my ways ... which was
 totally within his rights as a close friend, totally in keeping with almost
 10 years of on-going banter on this mailing list and, as a matter of fact,
 quite witty for someone like Mr. Tyng (who reportedly was held back in
 kindergarten because he wanted to use a wooden pencil instead of crayons).

 Mr. Conn couldn't help but add his two cents worth (he's literally paid by
 Microsoft to put down anyone who advocates open-source computing),
 indicating that my medication rate was possibly too low.  I have, of course,
 sent his name to the White House for consideration as the head of their new
 health care program.

 Then you stated that I took him as a grumpy stick in the mud.  Ouch.

 Ignoring your seething comment, I respond to Mr. Tyng in a manner that has
 been seen hundreds of times on this list over the years.  Dr. Sommer threw
 me a softball pitch and I hit it back up the middle with force. (Please, no
 extra comments on that sentence :-)

 And, then my brother decided to throw a little humor back at you and you
 now declare the whole list to be a horrible place to visit.

 So, before you rant back at all of us and tell us that we don't know how to
 treat newbies, I encourage you to do a little research and find out who you
 are accusing.  I'll make it easier and give you our full names in a
 convenient list:

Frank Pittelli
John Pittelli
Steve Tyng
Joe Sommer

 A couple quick searches of the mailing list archive and the R/C Tank Combat
 website will probably provide you with some valuable insight.  If you want
 more input, feel free to post a message and ask all 271 members how many of
 them were helped by one or more of the people on that list when they were a
 newbie.  (By the way, I can honestly say that I was the only newbie in the
 hobby who didn't receive any help from anybody.)

 To my knowledge, you are the first person in almost 10 years who thinks
 that our little mailing list is not a nice place to visit and that the
 people in the list above are just mean people who like putting down every
 newbie who comes along.  You couldn't be further from the truth.

Frank P.

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RE: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Doug Conn]

We need to up his medication.


-Original Message-
From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com [mailto:rctankcom...@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Tyng
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:40 PM
To: R/C Tank Combat
Subject: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

Now see here Frank.  We all know you have that steadily progressing
dementia thing going on and know how you tend to scoff at new ideas
and all.  Us vets who know and love you dearly make allowances for
that.  For who doesn't love the old coot in the corner when they wane
nostalgic about the good old days and complain about all the
newfangled contraptions in the world?  Young Jago doesn't know you and
may take your ramblings more personal than those of us who know
better.  Please remember to be civil to the new guys like we've asked
you too do over and over.  Would it help if we wrote it on your bib
our something?

Steve Tyng



On Feb 23, 12:05 pm, Frank Pittelli frank.pitte...@gmail.com wrote:
 Jago wrote:
  I'm a nerd. Motion Tech is all the rage now. Using Bluetooth or other
  IR signal, would it be possible to rig your turret to follow an arm
  movement? Have a sensor on your arm (like a Wii mote) and use it to
  point and click destruction upon others, essentially.
  Fair, unfair?

 Yes, indeed it is fair.  In fact, you should be the first to build such
 a control system and bring it to the battlefield.  Equipped with your
 advanced arm-mounted control and sensor feedback system you'll probably
 beat many rookies and veterans alike who rely solely on their clumsy
 thumbs to move accurate joysticks, using nothing but their own eyes as a
 feedback system.  How could mere humans even come close to defeating the
 far more advanced bionic system you envision?

         Frank All Thumbs Pittelli

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Patron]

Hahahaha.. I took him as a grumpy stick in the mud. I tend not to take 
offense to people who say things are impossible. I hear that a lot, and 
it only convinces me to try that much harder to prove them wrong.

-J
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:39, Steve Tyng wrote:

Now see here Frank.  We all know you have that steadily progressing
dementia thing going on and know how you tend to scoff at new ideas
and all.  Us vets who know and love you dearly make allowances for
that.  For who doesn't love the old coot in the corner when they wane
nostalgic about the good old days and complain about all the
newfangled contraptions in the world?  Young Jago doesn't know you and
may take your ramblings more personal than those of us who know
better.  Please remember to be civil to the new guys like we've asked
you too do over and over.  Would it help if we wrote it on your bib
our something?

Steve Tyng



On Feb 23, 12:05 pm, Frank Pittelli frank.pitte...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jago wrote:
  I'm a nerd. Motion Tech is all the rage now. Using Bluetooth or 
other

  IR signal, would it be possible to rig your turret to follow an arm
  movement? Have a sensor on your arm (like a Wii mote) and use it to
  point and click destruction upon others, essentially.
  Fair, unfair?

 Yes, indeed it is fair.  In fact, you should be the first to build 
such

 a control system and bring it to the battlefield.  Equipped with your
 advanced arm-mounted control and sensor feedback system you'll 
probably

 beat many rookies and veterans alike who rely solely on their clumsy
 thumbs to move accurate joysticks, using nothing but their own eyes 
as a
 feedback system.  How could mere humans even come close to defeating 
the

 far more advanced bionic system you envision?

         Frank All Thumbs Pittelli


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[TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Fred Thomson]

Hi Jago,

 Please allow me to translate Frank's message for you:

 You *could* do it but your tank would be a sitting duck for the rest
of us while you were flapping your arms trying to get it to move. :-)


 Better yet, look up Cheap Control Systems

http://www.cheapcontrolsystems.com/

Cheers,
Fred

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Re: [TANKS] Re: Where to..

[Patron]

Hey,
I'm going to use a traditional controller for the actual movement. I was 
just thinking it was a cool concept.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:48, Fred Thomson wrote:

Hi Jago,

 Please allow me to translate Frank's message for you:

 You *could* do it but your tank would be a sitting duck for the rest
of us while you were flapping your arms trying to get it to move. :-)


 Better yet, look up Cheap Control Systems

http://www.cheapcontrolsystems.com/

Cheers,
Fred

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