Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[TyngTech]

Loic,

It's great to see the FOA "Battle" Tiger almost battle ready.  I'd suggest 
starting a new topic for any new posts as "New Business"  is getting quite 
long.

For those inquiring minds that want to know.  The "TT" in TTMS2 
Motorization, TTRS2 Rotation, and TTES Elevate of course stands for 
TyngTech!


Steve "Not Tri-Pact" Tyng  ;-)

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Loic atFOA]

*UPDATE*: 

FOA has been silent because we have been busy! We upgraded the ABS Tiger 
shown previously to a metal RC Combat tank. Here is the video link 
http://youtu.be/iPvXsVnqrqI
This tank includes the MPSS3 Suspension system, TTMS2 Motorization system 
at about 1.2 hp, with geared down speeds of 4 mph, TTRS2 Turret Rotation 
system giving us about 5 rpm, TTES Elevation system on a "lead screw" fine 
tuning design and the Spyder Fenix electronic marker. 

We are now sending this tank to the "robotic guys" for a control system 
using WIFI and PS2 controller, including a live steam remote camera

The good news (if everything falls into place!) is that I will bring this 
tank to the Gettysburg event... and live or die?

Cheers from sunny and warm Utah
Loic

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Derek Engelhaupt]

Looks like a runnereverything seems to work well.


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> Latest update from Field of Armor Tanks:
>
> We mounted our latest generation Suspension system to the ABS Static and
> detailed Tiger I. This is our quick video of these five tests!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uXyqYxMlUvg#at=10
>
> The elevate system is almost ready to test! Ready to fire, gentlemen...
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[l...@fieldofarmortanks.com]

Latest update from Field of Armor Tanks:

We mounted our latest generation Suspension system to the ABS Static and 
detailed Tiger I. This is our quick video of these five tests!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uXyqYxMlUvg#at=10

The elevate system is almost ready to test! Ready to fire, gentlemen...

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Derek Engelhaupt]

RE:  Item f.  This one worries me since I use similar motors and my mounts
are 1/2" PVC sheets, but I have an inlet and an outlet (2 on each motor so
4 total) muffin fan to air moving around the motors.  Sounds like your
making good progress though.

Derek


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l...@fieldofarmortanks.com> wrote:

> 1.   I tested the Tiger tank in a rough field next to our business. I
> ran the tank at full speed at all times:
>
> a.   Continuous speed of 6.4 mph for 39 minutes
>
> b.  Battery was not fully recharged when I started, because I used
> the tank to visitors a couple of times, including running in the field.
> After the 39 min, 45% left on battery according to my charger
>
> c.   At the end of the 39 minutes, the Tiger was going at about 5.4
> mph
>
> d.  The tank ran for exactly 4 miles
>
> e.  The Talon SR were hot, the right one was slightly hotter to the
> touch, but not burning
>
> f.The two MY1018 Motors were VERY hot. Could not put my fingers
> on it. It did not burn the plastic wires touching the motors.
>
> g.   No apparent mechanical failures: a road wheel shaft is lose in
> the middle of the wheels, the right sprocket jumped again the inner guide
> tooth, but the tank ran fine in this configuration
>
> h.   Turret rotation worked great throughout the experiment. Steve is
> designing another version of this rotation, with finer tuning for better
> paintball accuracy.
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[l...@fieldofarmortanks.com]

 

1.   I tested the Tiger tank in a rough field next to our business. I 
ran the tank at full speed at all times:

a.   Continuous speed of 6.4 mph for 39 minutes

b.  Battery was not fully recharged when I started, because I used the 
tank to visitors a couple of times, including running in the field. After 
the 39 min, 45% left on battery according to my charger

c.   At the end of the 39 minutes, the Tiger was going at about 5.4 mph

d.  The tank ran for exactly 4 miles

e.  The Talon SR were hot, the right one was slightly hotter to the 
touch, but not burning

f.The two MY1018 Motors were VERY hot. Could not put my fingers on 
it. It did not burn the plastic wires touching the motors.

g.   No apparent mechanical failures: a road wheel shaft is lose in the 
middle of the wheels, the right sprocket jumped again the inner guide 
tooth, but the tank ran fine in this configuration

h.   Turret rotation worked great throughout the experiment. Steve is 
designing another version of this rotation, with finer tuning for better 
paintball accuracy.

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[l...@fieldofarmortanks.com]

Neil,

Those tracks are amazing to me! They are plastic like the Panther. But we 
broke about 6 tracks with the Panther, in 3 days of testing, always at the 
same weak area. I think the Tiger tracks are more "flat", wider, and the 
pin is smaller (30/1000th of an inch). But those pins are "plastic" 
compared to the metal pins on the Panther! I also heard that the Chinese 
use recycled plastic to lower their costs, while US injection cie which we 
used for the Tiger Tracks use almost all new plastic.

We have not given up on the Panther/Jagdpanther at these high speed/torque. 
I will check with our Injection Molded mfg and see if the pins can be 
decreased since they are separate from the mold. I'm also interested in 
slightly changing the design of the weak point if possible.We might use the 
same "plastic pin" as the Tiger, rather than the expensive metal pin!

For the Tiger we did not lose ONE track pad [the reason the Tank stopped 
abruptly as it went over that rock, and slammed into the ground, is that it 
closed the unattached ON/OFF switch inside the tank]. As I said, the only 
issue we have is the double guide tooth going over the left idler [in the 
Tiger, the idler is between the two row of guide teeth - in our situation, 
the inside guide teeth went IN BETWEEN the two idler wheels, and the 
outside one moved further to the outside], which means we need to move that 
idler slightly to the outside like we did on the right side. We just cut 
the hardened steel a "little too tight".

Steve thinks that the tracks slightly skipping on the sprocket on the high 
torque events might not be an issue, and act as a safety to avoid breaking 
tracks... This can be addressed by tightening or loosening the tracks.

Now we are waiting for the Elevate system/trigger system from "Tyng Tech" 
and we might have a "combat tank"! We also found an outfit with great 
Electronic Background in the "Robot Industry" to take our tank and fit it 
with the latest electronic controller (not even released to the public 
yet...). Those tanks will be able to use Game Controllers.

Time for the HOUR TEST...

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Neil Rochford]

Well , I can tell you that Im very impressed, not only with the performance 
of the tank but also the speed you have put it together. I dont know what 
$`s you will be asking for these machines but I see it likely that you`ll 
experience healthy sales. 
Did all the track pad survive the last video ?

Neil R


On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:47:52 PM UTC-7, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com 
wrote:
>
> I finally took the Tiger to the TEST: 30 uninterrupted minutes of Rough 
> Terrain, climbing embankment, crushing plants... This is interesting, as 
> this Tiger is ABS, with plastic tracks, plastic wheels (steel plate 
> reinforced), plastic sprockets and plastic idlers.
> The only touches that seems necessary are: move the Idlers slightly more 
> outside, as they seem to partially jump the guide teeth, and make an 
> outer-sprocket teeth ring in laser cut metal to grab the tracks better.
>
> But for starters, it looks good! You tell me?
> http://youtu.be/Ie-G5MxXI04
> http://youtu.be/mUsMMQ7MCkI
>
> http://youtu.be/rGZObGt5MYk
> On the last video, as the tank goes over that big rock, it slammed the 
> emergency on/off button inside the hull and turned off the power!
>

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[jvragu47]

Looks very nice Loic. Should do very well in the September battle.

On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:47:52 PM UTC-4, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com 
wrote:
>
> I finally took the Tiger to the TEST: 30 uninterrupted minutes of Rough 
> Terrain, climbing embankment, crushing plants... This is interesting, as 
> this Tiger is ABS, with plastic tracks, plastic wheels (steel plate 
> reinforced), plastic sprockets and plastic idlers.
> The only touches that seems necessary are: move the Idlers slightly more 
> outside, as they seem to partially jump the guide teeth, and make an 
> outer-sprocket teeth ring in laser cut metal to grab the tracks better.
>
> But for starters, it looks good! You tell me?
> http://youtu.be/Ie-G5MxXI04
> http://youtu.be/mUsMMQ7MCkI
>
> http://youtu.be/rGZObGt5MYk
> On the last video, as the tank goes over that big rock, it slammed the 
> emergency on/off button inside the hull and turned off the power!
>

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[l...@fieldofarmortanks.com]

I finally took the Tiger to the TEST: 30 uninterrupted minutes of Rough 
Terrain, climbing embankment, crushing plants... This is interesting, as 
this Tiger is ABS, with plastic tracks, plastic wheels (steel plate 
reinforced), plastic sprockets and plastic idlers.
The only touches that seems necessary are: move the Idlers slightly more 
outside, as they seem to partially jump the guide teeth, and make an 
outer-sprocket teeth ring in laser cut metal to grab the tracks better.

But for starters, it looks good! You tell me?
http://youtu.be/Ie-G5MxXI04
http://youtu.be/mUsMMQ7MCkI

http://youtu.be/rGZObGt5MYk
On the last video, as the tank goes over that big rock, it slammed the 
emergency on/off button inside the hull and turned off the power!

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Loic atFOA]

Today, we moved the Panther TTMS system into the ABS Tiger, which had a 
second generation suspension system. It took a few hours but it was 
straight forward. Then I was wondering if I will lose tracks like we did on 
the Panther, what about the plastic sprockets? or the 1/2 hardened steel 
axle for the idler?

Well, we took a video of our first run...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz2j6I14wuo&feature=youtu.be

cheers from Utah,
Loic



On Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:20:55 AM UTC-6, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why no vendors produce a 1/6th Abrams.  I would love to have 
> one.  Maybe not even for battling, but just to have one.  I would think 
> that an Abrams made from laser cut panels would be fairly easy for the 
> right person to design.  A laser cut M113 would be child's play - all 
> straight lines and a couple of simple angles.
>
> Derek
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:00 AM, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> I would LOVE to test some FOA combat products in late September. By that 
>> time, I'm hoping to have the Panther, Tiger and Jagdpanther figured out! 
>> But those tanks are "improvements" of static model into the RC, then 
>> "Combat" design. As our initial tests show, there are weaknesses in the 
>> plastic tracks and wheels to withstand the rough environment. I'm sure it 
>> would be very frustrating for one of you to lose a track in the middle of a 
>> battle.
>>
>> But we are also working on our "Modern Combat Vehicle" announced for this 
>> summer. We are almost done in the design of the combat 
>> tracks/wheels/sprocket system. It will use the MPSS3 (3rd generation MPSS) 
>> suspension system, TTMS Motorization, TTRS Rotation system and the 
>> announced gun elevation/trigger system. We are getting the hull cut next 
>> week! That tank might be on the East Coast around that time... and then it 
>> would be nice to test it in your combat environment.
>>
>> Not making any promise, but it is a definite possibility!
>>
>> Frank, thanks for the pointer on Joystick tuning. We will do that today 
>> and test it.. and video it. I want to look at over-heating of the Talon ESC 
>> or motors today as well, using the model for a full hour at speed in the 
>> dirt field across the business. Fans are cheap and most likely needed on 
>> those ESCs. I would be interested to know what type of "standard tests" you 
>> would do when you bring a tank to combat readiness?
>>
>> Cheers from Sunny Utah,
>> Loic
>>
>> http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[l...@fieldofarmortanks.com]

Today, we just took the 1st generation TTMS Motorization system from the 
Panther and mounted it inside the ABS Tiger. I did not know what to expect. 
We broke LOTS of Panther plastic tracks this week!
The Tiger has a second generation MPSS Suspension System, with plastic 
tracks, plastic pins, plastic sprockets (aluminum hub), plastic idlers 
(1/2" hardened steel axle)

Then we took this video of our test!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz2j6I14wuo&feature=youtu.be

Cheers from Sunny Utah,
Loic

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Derek Engelhaupt]

I'm not sure why no vendors produce a 1/6th Abrams.  I would love to have
one.  Maybe not even for battling, but just to have one.  I would think
that an Abrams made from laser cut panels would be fairly easy for the
right person to design.  A laser cut M113 would be child's play - all
straight lines and a couple of simple angles.

Derek


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l...@fieldofarmortanks.com> wrote:

> I would LOVE to test some FOA combat products in late September. By that
> time, I'm hoping to have the Panther, Tiger and Jagdpanther figured out!
> But those tanks are "improvements" of static model into the RC, then
> "Combat" design. As our initial tests show, there are weaknesses in the
> plastic tracks and wheels to withstand the rough environment. I'm sure it
> would be very frustrating for one of you to lose a track in the middle of a
> battle.
>
> But we are also working on our "Modern Combat Vehicle" announced for this
> summer. We are almost done in the design of the combat
> tracks/wheels/sprocket system. It will use the MPSS3 (3rd generation MPSS)
> suspension system, TTMS Motorization, TTRS Rotation system and the
> announced gun elevation/trigger system. We are getting the hull cut next
> week! That tank might be on the East Coast around that time... and then it
> would be nice to test it in your combat environment.
>
> Not making any promise, but it is a definite possibility!
>
> Frank, thanks for the pointer on Joystick tuning. We will do that today
> and test it.. and video it. I want to look at over-heating of the Talon ESC
> or motors today as well, using the model for a full hour at speed in the
> dirt field across the business. Fans are cheap and most likely needed on
> those ESCs. I would be interested to know what type of "standard tests" you
> would do when you bring a tank to combat readiness?
>
> Cheers from Sunny Utah,
> Loic
>
> http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[l...@fieldofarmortanks.com]

I would LOVE to test some FOA combat products in late September. By that 
time, I'm hoping to have the Panther, Tiger and Jagdpanther figured out! 
But those tanks are "improvements" of static model into the RC, then 
"Combat" design. As our initial tests show, there are weaknesses in the 
plastic tracks and wheels to withstand the rough environment. I'm sure it 
would be very frustrating for one of you to lose a track in the middle of a 
battle.

But we are also working on our "Modern Combat Vehicle" announced for this 
summer. We are almost done in the design of the combat 
tracks/wheels/sprocket system. It will use the MPSS3 (3rd generation MPSS) 
suspension system, TTMS Motorization, TTRS Rotation system and the 
announced gun elevation/trigger system. We are getting the hull cut next 
week! That tank might be on the East Coast around that time... and then it 
would be nice to test it in your combat environment.

Not making any promise, but it is a definite possibility!

Frank, thanks for the pointer on Joystick tuning. We will do that today and 
test it.. and video it. I want to look at over-heating of the Talon ESC or 
motors today as well, using the model for a full hour at speed in the dirt 
field across the business. Fans are cheap and most likely needed on those 
ESCs. I would be interested to know what type of "standard tests" you would 
do when you bring a tank to combat readiness?

Cheers from Sunny Utah,
Loic
http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[jvragu47]

Looking very nice Loic. It does look like you need some ballast in the 
rear, or a stiffening of the front suspension. That will help smooth out 
the nose dive when the tank stopped from running at full speed.  

So, will you be ready to come to our battle on Sept 28 and 29? Your 
potential overseas market will be in attendance.
Of course, for them you'll need some sort of paper mache parts. LOL. 



On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:43:16 PM UTC-4, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com 
wrote:
>
> "Tank Friends"... here are the new FOA adventures!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEB_-qaeK04 - and another video on our FB 
> page about the tank full speed on asphalt.
>
> This video shows the 1/6 scale Panther, with MPSS Suspension System (1st 
> Generation installed... we now have a 3rd generation coming next week!), 
> and TTMS Motorization System (2x 450 W motors). We clocked the Panther more 
> accurately at 6.7 and 7.0 MPH on asphalt, fully loaded.
>
> *GRASS*; as you can see in the video, it can climb steep curb, and it can 
> turn on grass. I tried "donuts". It seems like clockwise donuts were easier 
> than counter-clockwise, not sure why? Maybe some adjustments in the track 
> tension on one side. We lost x2 tracks on the asphalt, and we are going to 
> study that tomorrow, and x1 track because the driver hit the curb full 
> speed. Also, our 1/2" idler axle bent! We will be looking for tempered 
> steel tomorrow.
>
> 1. FOA is getting the "universal module" elevation/trigger system in about 
> 4 weeks
> 2. FOA is getting the flex-honing system to make its own paintball barrels 
> in 2 weeks
>
> This starts to be fun!
> http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com
>

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Frank Pittelli]

When there is a noticeable speed difference while spinning right or 
left, it could be due to the joystick/mixer settings.  Specifically, if 
the "center" position of the left-right joystick is slightly to one 
side, then the mixer will see the joystick travel more one way then the 
other.  With an exponential response setting, a small variation near the 
travel end-point results in a larger speed variation.


When using the Talon SR, this can be easily confirmed by watching the 
LEDs on the speed controls.  At 100% throttle, the LED should stay lit 
without flashing.  So, if the LEDs stay lit when turning in one 
direction, but flash rapidly when turning in the other direction you 
know that the joystick center is slightly off.  Adjust the center (and 
deadband if necessary) to balance everything.


On 6/20/2013 7:24 AM, TyngTech wrote:

Every Chinese scooter motor I've opened up was neutrally timed and that
was the case with these style motors which were confirmed when we tested
these back in the day.

http://tyngtech.com/html/m1.html

I suspect with the FOA Panther, there's probably binding on one side
that is causing the slower spin in one direction.


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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[TyngTech]

Every Chinese scooter motor I've opened up was neutrally timed and that was 
the case with these style motors which were confirmed when we tested these 
back in the day.

http://tyngtech.com/html/m1.html

I suspect with the FOA Panther, there's probably binding on one side that 
is causing the slower spin in one direction.

Steve



On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 11:37:27 PM UTC-4, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> More than likely the reason is goes faster in one direction than the other 
> is because the motors have the timing set faster in one direction than the 
> other.  You have one rotated so one is actually running forward all the 
> time and the other is running backward.  The EV Warrior motors were either 
> CW timed or CCW timed.  Those you could open up and actually set them to a 
> neutral timing so they ran the same speed in both directions.  When you do 
> a neutral turn in the grass, in theory one motor is running forward and the 
> other is reversing.  In your case one of the motors is already reversed so 
> the reverse of that is forward.  In other words, turning one direction both 
> motors are timed higher running forward and in the other direction, both 
> motors are timed lower running backwards hence the slower speed.  Make 
> sense?  :)
>
> Derek
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com  
> > wrote:
>
>> "Tank Friends"... here are the new FOA adventures!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEB_-qaeK04 - and another video on our FB 
>> page about the tank full speed on asphalt.
>>
>> This video shows the 1/6 scale Panther, with MPSS Suspension System (1st 
>> Generation installed... we now have a 3rd generation coming next week!), 
>> and TTMS Motorization System (2x 450 W motors). We clocked the Panther more 
>> accurately at 6.7 and 7.0 MPH on asphalt, fully loaded.
>>
>> *GRASS*; as you can see in the video, it can climb steep curb, and it 
>> can turn on grass. I tried "donuts". It seems like clockwise donuts were 
>> easier than counter-clockwise, not sure why? Maybe some adjustments in the 
>> track tension on one side. We lost x2 tracks on the asphalt, and we are 
>> going to study that tomorrow, and x1 track because the driver hit the curb 
>> full speed. Also, our 1/2" idler axle bent! We will be looking for tempered 
>> steel tomorrow.
>>
>> 1. FOA is getting the "universal module" elevation/trigger system in 
>> about 4 weeks
>> 2. FOA is getting the flex-honing system to make its own paintball 
>> barrels in 2 weeks
>>
>> This starts to be fun!
>> http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com
>>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Derek Engelhaupt]

More than likely the reason is goes faster in one direction than the other
is because the motors have the timing set faster in one direction than the
other.  You have one rotated so one is actually running forward all the
time and the other is running backward.  The EV Warrior motors were either
CW timed or CCW timed.  Those you could open up and actually set them to a
neutral timing so they ran the same speed in both directions.  When you do
a neutral turn in the grass, in theory one motor is running forward and the
other is reversing.  In your case one of the motors is already reversed so
the reverse of that is forward.  In other words, turning one direction both
motors are timed higher running forward and in the other direction, both
motors are timed lower running backwards hence the slower speed.  Make
sense?  :)

Derek


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:43 PM, l...@fieldofarmortanks.com <
l...@fieldofarmortanks.com> wrote:

> "Tank Friends"... here are the new FOA adventures!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEB_-qaeK04 - and another video on our FB
> page about the tank full speed on asphalt.
>
> This video shows the 1/6 scale Panther, with MPSS Suspension System (1st
> Generation installed... we now have a 3rd generation coming next week!),
> and TTMS Motorization System (2x 450 W motors). We clocked the Panther more
> accurately at 6.7 and 7.0 MPH on asphalt, fully loaded.
>
> *GRASS*; as you can see in the video, it can climb steep curb, and it can
> turn on grass. I tried "donuts". It seems like clockwise donuts were easier
> than counter-clockwise, not sure why? Maybe some adjustments in the track
> tension on one side. We lost x2 tracks on the asphalt, and we are going to
> study that tomorrow, and x1 track because the driver hit the curb full
> speed. Also, our 1/2" idler axle bent! We will be looking for tempered
> steel tomorrow.
>
> 1. FOA is getting the "universal module" elevation/trigger system in about
> 4 weeks
> 2. FOA is getting the flex-honing system to make its own paintball barrels
> in 2 weeks
>
> This starts to be fun!
> http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com
>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[l...@fieldofarmortanks.com]

"Tank Friends"... here are the new FOA adventures!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEB_-qaeK04 - and another video on our FB 
page about the tank full speed on asphalt.

This video shows the 1/6 scale Panther, with MPSS Suspension System (1st 
Generation installed... we now have a 3rd generation coming next week!), 
and TTMS Motorization System (2x 450 W motors). We clocked the Panther more 
accurately at 6.7 and 7.0 MPH on asphalt, fully loaded.

*GRASS*; as you can see in the video, it can climb steep curb, and it can 
turn on grass. I tried "donuts". It seems like clockwise donuts were easier 
than counter-clockwise, not sure why? Maybe some adjustments in the track 
tension on one side. We lost x2 tracks on the asphalt, and we are going to 
study that tomorrow, and x1 track because the driver hit the curb full 
speed. Also, our 1/2" idler axle bent! We will be looking for tempered 
steel tomorrow.

1. FOA is getting the "universal module" elevation/trigger system in about 
4 weeks
2. FOA is getting the flex-honing system to make its own paintball barrels 
in 2 weeks

This starts to be fun!
http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com

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RE: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[John Altman]

Hi,
Sounds good. It was nice to meet you at the show and see
some of the great detail you place in your units. You and
Steve have been an inspiration for me to get back to
building my Sherman.
Thanks,
John

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Subject: [TANKS] Re: New Business

John,
We are not even sure of the actual speed in grass and rough
terrain yet. We are removing the track tension idler because
it gives us more headaches than help!

Also, this tank uses the " old foa tracks and wheels". We
are questioning if those plastic parts will sustain combat
conditions. We will know when the tank is back in SLC with
those 450 W motors. We are experimenting with 250 W motors
as well

our "designed" battle tank will be available this summer
with all engineering resolved

We now have a suspension system, a turret rotation...
Working on elevation, trigger, and some side projects of my
own interest like Steve will test the airsoft engine we
acquired at the show, Benedini sound, smoking exhausts (all
those with little interest to combat crowds!)

Next week I will hone my 27 inch barrel that I just got
tapered! The sound should be loud

Loic

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[OdysseySlipways]

 
 
In a message dated 6/9/2013 12:53:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dwconn...@comcast.net writes:

Have  you considered a hot young bikini model instead of an old, gray one  ?


don't think he'd look to appealing in a bikini either
 
Chris

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RE: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Doug Conn]

The tank looks fantastic !!

 

Tyng looks . well .. Let's just say 'like Tyng'.

 

Have you considered a hot young bikini model instead of an old, gray one ?

 

From: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com [mailto:rctankcombat@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of l...@fieldofarmortanks.com
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 9:34 AM
To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
Subject: [TANKS] Re: New Business

 

Photo of Steve Tyng with the new RC Combat Panther Prototype at the "Weekend
of Heroes". We reached 9 MPH and a turret rotation of 20 RPM with this
"beast". Our next step is to get the gun to elevate in an accurate way for
combat.

To view a video of this tank along with other products of FOA, please visit
our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=260643184075849
 &set=vb.165372040259765&type=2&theater

 

Please send me your comments

 
 



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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[OdysseySlipways]

Gravity Defying!
 
i don't know who you go through for models, but it looks like they are  
scraping the bottom of a very old barrel as she's . a bit  aged 
.and fuzzy looking.
 
I would have liked to have been there, would have liked to have looked your 
 stuff over in person.
 
i'll look at the video later today when i jump on my mother's laptop
 
Chris

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RE: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[John Altman]

Thanks for the info.

We will discuss it and try to make plans.

Thanks,

John

 

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l...@fieldofarmortanks.com
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:21 AM
To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

 

John,
The "Weekend of Heroes" or "US Airsoft Expo" will be held
outside Pittsburg PA (Monroeville Convention Center) from
June 8 and 9 (next weekend!) . Here is the link:

http://www.aweekendofheroes.com/

FOA will attend, as well as Steve Tyng from your Tank Group.
Frank said he might make it, but might have some other
obligations. We will bring four vehicles. Two of them are
static (Sd.Kfz.251 Ausf.D Stuka Zu Fuss
http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com/product_p/foa30004.htm and
M16 Multiple Gun Carriage
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=324821730981461
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=324821730981461&set
=a.253655331431435.64595.165372040259765&type=1&theater>
&set=a.253655331431435.64595.165372040259765&type=1&theater)
, one is RC with our completed MPSS Suspension System (Tiger
I Ausf.E) and one is our "first attempt" to a combat vehicle
(Panther Ausf.G with motorization and turret rotation). 

If you are coming, you may consider to bring your "combat
vehicle". I would LOVE to see it and discuss about it

See you then!
Loic Anthian

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:32:16 PM UTC-6, John Alt wrote:

Hi,

You mention Monroeville, Pa for June 8 & 9, where at in
Monroeville and the times? I am only 2 hours away and would
like to see the tanks in action.

Thanks,

John

 

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[mailto:rctank...@googlegroups.com  ] On Behalf
Of Derek Engelhaupt
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:30 PM
To: rctank...@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZk19V_mCAA  At the end of
the vid I had to stop filming because I blew a 30A motor
fuse climbing over a tree stump.  :)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcY3dlruz7s
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcY3dlruz7s&NR=1&feature=end
screen> &NR=1&feature=endscreen  No snow like this now that
I'm in Texas.  New track system.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcxXfgpikQ4  Better quality
also with newer tracks.  The exhaust covers and side skirts
are the metal ones from FOA.

 

Derek

 

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:18 PM, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com
   >
wrote:

Derek, we are a business and we are going to offer this
suspension system as a "stand alone" system in about 4
weeks. We need to source all the parts first, sometimes far,
to maximize availability and lower costs. We are thinking
about a patent on this system, and as soon as it is filed,
we will post pictures and instruction. But basically, it is
simple, flexible and adjustable. The railings are
independent from each others, so it is where the flexibility
comes. We just took our ABS Tiger and drilled holes in the
body to match the railings'. It is spring actuated with an
adjustable screw for tension. This suspension system is an
overkill for RC enthusiasts, but we require more testing to
see if it will meet your criteria for combat vehicles. We
still need to design the proper motor combination for Combat
vehicle, and see if our "accurate accessories" withstand the
abuse!

I looked at Frank's video and what you make your tank go
thru... I'm speechless.



On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:59:42 PM UTC-6,
tan...@gmail.com wrote:

Very nice action there.  Any chance to see some pics of the
actual mechanics of it?  I have a Sturmtiger so it would be
right up my alley since I'm looking to rebuild it from wood
into either metal or PVC sheets.

 

Derek

 

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:56 PM, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com
 wrote:

More updates from FOA: We just installed our new MPSS
Suspension System to the "out of the box" Tiger I Ausf.E.
This is just an RC vehicle, with "no hope" against your
combat vehicles... but it looks NICE!
The suspension includes a metal rail which makes this ABS
vehicle very "sturdy"...

We will have a Panther with a "first attempt" to combat
performance at the "Weekend of Heroes" June 8,9,
Monroeville, PA

This is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdD_BMQTzzw
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdD_BMQTzzw&feature=youtu.be
> &feature=youtu.be

 

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[l...@fieldofarmortanks.com]

John,
The "Weekend of Heroes" or "US Airsoft Expo" will be held outside Pittsburg 
PA (Monroeville Convention Center) from June 8 and 9 (next weekend!) . Here 
is the link:

http://www.aweekendofheroes.com/

FOA will attend, as well as Steve Tyng from your Tank Group. Frank said he 
might make it, but might have some other obligations. We will bring four 
vehicles. Two of them are static (Sd.Kfz.251 Ausf.D Stuka Zu Fuss 
http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com/product_p/foa30004.htm and M16 Multiple 
Gun Carriage 
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=324821730981461&set=a.253655331431435.64595.165372040259765&type=1&theater),
 
one is RC with our completed MPSS Suspension System (Tiger I Ausf.E) and 
one is our "first attempt" to a combat vehicle (Panther Ausf.G with 
motorization and turret rotation). 

If you are coming, you may consider to bring your "combat vehicle". I would 
LOVE to see it and discuss about it

See you then!
Loic Anthian

On Sunday, June 2, 2013 12:32:16 PM UTC-6, John Alt wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> You mention Monroeville, Pa for June 8 & 9, where at in Monroeville and 
> the times? I am only 2 hours away and would like to see the tanks in action.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>  
>
> *From:* rctank...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rctank...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Derek Engelhaupt
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:30 PM
> *To:* rctank...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business
>
>  
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZk19V_mCAA  At the end of the vid I had 
> to stop filming because I blew a 30A motor fuse climbing over a tree stump. 
>  :)
>
>  
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcY3dlruz7s&NR=1&feature=endscreen  No 
> snow like this now that I'm in Texas.  New track system.
>
>  
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcxXfgpikQ4  Better quality also with 
> newer tracks.  The exhaust covers and side skirts are the metal ones from 
> FOA.
>
>  
>
> Derek
>
>  
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:18 PM, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com <
> lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com > wrote:
>
> Derek, we are a business and we are going to offer this suspension system 
> as a "stand alone" system in about 4 weeks. We need to source all the parts 
> first, sometimes far, to maximize availability and lower costs. We are 
> thinking about a patent on this system, and as soon as it is filed, we will 
> post pictures and instruction. But basically, it is simple, flexible and 
> adjustable. The railings are independent from each others, so it is where 
> the flexibility comes. We just took our ABS Tiger and drilled holes in the 
> body to match the railings'. It is spring actuated with an adjustable screw 
> for tension. This suspension system is an overkill for RC enthusiasts, but 
> we require more testing to see if it will meet your criteria for combat 
> vehicles. We still need to design the proper motor combination for Combat 
> vehicle, and see if our "accurate accessories" withstand the abuse!
>
> I looked at Frank's video and what you make your tank go thru... I'm 
> speechless.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:59:42 PM UTC-6, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Very nice action there.  Any chance to see some pics of the actual 
> mechanics of it?  I have a Sturmtiger so it would be right up my alley 
> since I'm looking to rebuild it from wood into either metal or PVC sheets.
>
>  
>
> Derek
>
>  
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:56 PM, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com <
> lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com> wrote:
>
> More updates from FOA: We just installed our new MPSS Suspension System to 
> the "out of the box" Tiger I Ausf.E. This is just an RC vehicle, with "no 
> hope" against your combat vehicles... but it looks NICE!
> The suspension includes a metal rail which makes this ABS vehicle very 
> "sturdy"...
>
> We will have a Panther with a "first attempt" to combat performance at the 
> "Weekend of Heroes" June 8,9, Monroeville, PA
>
> This is the video 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdD_BMQTzzw&feature=youtu.be
>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Frank Pittelli]

The next battle is scheduled for Sunday, June 23 northwest
of Gettysburg, PA.  The morning battle usually starts around 10am and 
the afternoon battle starts between 1-2pm.  The battle is held at a 
private home, so we don't post directions on the mailing list.  But if 
you send Joe Sommer a private email he'll send you directions and the 
GPS coordinates.  Always extra assets to be used by newbies of all ages.


On 6/2/2013 2:32 PM, John Altman wrote:

You mention Monroeville, Pa for June 8 & 9, where at in Monroeville and
the times? I am only 2 hours away and would like to see the tanks in action.


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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[OdysseySlipways]

oh, your north, i'm south in Altoona
 
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RE: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[John Altman]

Hi Chris,

Erie way.. I started a Sherman over a year ago but got side
tracked. My grandson wants to help so I thought this might
be a way to get him "more" interested.

John

 

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2 hours in what direction?

 

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

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2 hours in what direction?
 
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RE: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[John Altman]

Hi,

You mention Monroeville, Pa for June 8 & 9, where at in
Monroeville and the times? I am only 2 hours away and would
like to see the tanks in action.

Thanks,

John

 

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To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZk19V_mCAA  At the end of
the vid I had to stop filming because I blew a 30A motor
fuse climbing over a tree stump.  :)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcY3dlruz7s
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcY3dlruz7s&NR=1&feature=end
screen> &NR=1&feature=endscreen  No snow like this now that
I'm in Texas.  New track system.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcxXfgpikQ4  Better quality
also with newer tracks.  The exhaust covers and side skirts
are the metal ones from FOA.

 

Derek

 

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:18 PM, l...@fieldofarmortanks.com
 wrote:

Derek, we are a business and we are going to offer this
suspension system as a "stand alone" system in about 4
weeks. We need to source all the parts first, sometimes far,
to maximize availability and lower costs. We are thinking
about a patent on this system, and as soon as it is filed,
we will post pictures and instruction. But basically, it is
simple, flexible and adjustable. The railings are
independent from each others, so it is where the flexibility
comes. We just took our ABS Tiger and drilled holes in the
body to match the railings'. It is spring actuated with an
adjustable screw for tension. This suspension system is an
overkill for RC enthusiasts, but we require more testing to
see if it will meet your criteria for combat vehicles. We
still need to design the proper motor combination for Combat
vehicle, and see if our "accurate accessories" withstand the
abuse!

I looked at Frank's video and what you make your tank go
thru... I'm speechless.



On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:59:42 PM UTC-6,
tan...@gmail.com wrote:

Very nice action there.  Any chance to see some pics of the
actual mechanics of it?  I have a Sturmtiger so it would be
right up my alley since I'm looking to rebuild it from wood
into either metal or PVC sheets.

 

Derek

 

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:56 PM, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com
 wrote:

More updates from FOA: We just installed our new MPSS
Suspension System to the "out of the box" Tiger I Ausf.E.
This is just an RC vehicle, with "no hope" against your
combat vehicles... but it looks NICE!
The suspension includes a metal rail which makes this ABS
vehicle very "sturdy"...

We will have a Panther with a "first attempt" to combat
performance at the "Weekend of Heroes" June 8,9,
Monroeville, PA

This is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdD_BMQTzzw
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdD_BMQTzzw&feature=youtu.be
> &feature=youtu.be

 

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Derek Engelhaupt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZk19V_mCAA  At the end of the vid I had to
stop filming because I blew a 30A motor fuse climbing over a tree stump.  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcY3dlruz7s&NR=1&feature=endscreen  No snow
like this now that I'm in Texas.  New track system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcxXfgpikQ4  Better quality also with newer
tracks.  The exhaust covers and side skirts are the metal ones from FOA.

Derek


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:18 PM, l...@fieldofarmortanks.com <
l...@fieldofarmortanks.com> wrote:

> Derek, we are a business and we are going to offer this suspension system
> as a "stand alone" system in about 4 weeks. We need to source all the parts
> first, sometimes far, to maximize availability and lower costs. We are
> thinking about a patent on this system, and as soon as it is filed, we will
> post pictures and instruction. But basically, it is simple, flexible and
> adjustable. The railings are independent from each others, so it is where
> the flexibility comes. We just took our ABS Tiger and drilled holes in the
> body to match the railings'. It is spring actuated with an adjustable screw
> for tension. This suspension system is an overkill for RC enthusiasts, but
> we require more testing to see if it will meet your criteria for combat
> vehicles. We still need to design the proper motor combination for Combat
> vehicle, and see if our "accurate accessories" withstand the abuse!
>
> I looked at Frank's video and what you make your tank go thru... I'm
> speechless.
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:59:42 PM UTC-6, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Very nice action there.  Any chance to see some pics of the actual
>> mechanics of it?  I have a Sturmtiger so it would be right up my alley
>> since I'm looking to rebuild it from wood into either metal or PVC sheets.
>>
>> Derek
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:56 PM, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com <
>> lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> More updates from FOA: We just installed our new MPSS Suspension System
>>> to the "out of the box" Tiger I Ausf.E. This is just an RC vehicle, with
>>> "no hope" against your combat vehicles... but it looks NICE!
>>> The suspension includes a metal rail which makes this ABS vehicle very
>>> "sturdy"...
>>>
>>> We will have a Panther with a "first attempt" to combat performance at
>>> the "Weekend of Heroes" June 8,9, Monroeville, PA
>>>
>>> This is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?**
>>> v=IdD_BMQTzzw&feature=youtu.be
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[l...@fieldofarmortanks.com]

Derek, we are a business and we are going to offer this suspension system 
as a "stand alone" system in about 4 weeks. We need to source all the parts 
first, sometimes far, to maximize availability and lower costs. We are 
thinking about a patent on this system, and as soon as it is filed, we will 
post pictures and instruction. But basically, it is simple, flexible and 
adjustable. The railings are independent from each others, so it is where 
the flexibility comes. We just took our ABS Tiger and drilled holes in the 
body to match the railings'. It is spring actuated with an adjustable screw 
for tension. This suspension system is an overkill for RC enthusiasts, but 
we require more testing to see if it will meet your criteria for combat 
vehicles. We still need to design the proper motor combination for Combat 
vehicle, and see if our "accurate accessories" withstand the abuse!

I looked at Frank's video and what you make your tank go thru... I'm 
speechless.

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:59:42 PM UTC-6, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Very nice action there.  Any chance to see some pics of the actual 
> mechanics of it?  I have a Sturmtiger so it would be right up my alley 
> since I'm looking to rebuild it from wood into either metal or PVC sheets.
>
> Derek
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:56 PM, lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com  
> > wrote:
>
>> More updates from FOA: We just installed our new MPSS Suspension System 
>> to the "out of the box" Tiger I Ausf.E. This is just an RC vehicle, with 
>> "no hope" against your combat vehicles... but it looks NICE!
>> The suspension includes a metal rail which makes this ABS vehicle very 
>> "sturdy"...
>>
>> We will have a Panther with a "first attempt" to combat performance at 
>> the "Weekend of Heroes" June 8,9, Monroeville, PA
>>
>> This is the video 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdD_BMQTzzw&feature=youtu.be
>>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Derek Engelhaupt]

Very nice action there.  Any chance to see some pics of the actual
mechanics of it?  I have a Sturmtiger so it would be right up my alley
since I'm looking to rebuild it from wood into either metal or PVC sheets.

Derek


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> More updates from FOA: We just installed our new MPSS Suspension System to
> the "out of the box" Tiger I Ausf.E. This is just an RC vehicle, with "no
> hope" against your combat vehicles... but it looks NICE!
> The suspension includes a metal rail which makes this ABS vehicle very
> "sturdy"...
>
> We will have a Panther with a "first attempt" to combat performance at the
> "Weekend of Heroes" June 8,9, Monroeville, PA
>
> This is the video
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdD_BMQTzzw&feature=youtu.be
>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Derek Engelhaupt]

Wow Fred, you bent 5/8" axles?  I've been using 1/2" axles and the only
time I've bent them is when the tank was supporting close to 300lbs (me
sitting on it).

Derek


On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Fred Thomson wrote:

> You could use the same suspension but have different drive sprockets,
> idler, and road wheels by using 2060 attachment chain. This would
> pretty much solve the "throwing a track" problem. You could also
> design the track plates to have a more "authentic look" and you could
> bundle the whole thing up as an "option" for an extra cost. Call it
> the Combat Gaming Track Option, to go with the Paintball Combat Gun
> Option.
>  Actually, you could save yourself a ton of grief by simply making two
> distinct tanks. One for modelers and one for gamers (I hate that
> connotation, btw). Make your combat tank a little more spartan in add-
> on (read breakable) details that modelers slavishly apply to their
> creations. A paintball gun that has been dialed up to 240ft/sec or so,
> makes short work of plastic headlamps, open hatches, and at point
> blank range, has been known to remove an RC antenna block mount quite
> cleanly. Also give your customer a stern lesson in Battery Care &
> Maintenance.
>
>  As Steve pointed out, we ask our toys to sometimes do the impossible.
> I had 3/4" Grade 8 bolts as road wheel axles and I bent them. Not just
> one but 4 out of 10. This was after bending 7/16, 1/2, 5/8 in the same
> application. I broke the bottom of my hull by hitting a pointy rock
> hidden in the grass, at full speed. 3/4", fiberglass reinforced,
> marine grade mahogany plywood and it didn't survive. Full speed was
> only 12kmph, pretty close to scale speed. Oh yeah, water-tight is a
> good thing. You know your customers are going to abuse them, I mean
> it's a tank. What fun is there in owning a tank if you cannot drive
> it, run over things, and shoot stuff with it? I think, for me, hell
> would be defined as having a 1/6th scale tank sitting on the shelf and
> being too afraid to drive or battle it cuz it's too pretty.
>
> Hey Steve, how many man-hours does it take to make a set of TTS
> tracks? It took me a horribly long time, but I made lots of
> mistakes. :-)
>
> Just my 2 cents. :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Fred
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Derek Engelhaupt]

Yeah, most of the motors we use are in the 300-450W variety.  The issue
then is getting a speed controller that is beefy enough to handle the
motors.  Those 18AH batteries should be sufficient.


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Niels Erik Kristensen  wrote:

> WOW-About  36watt!!  No wonder you dont make donouts on grass :-)   My
> motors are 800 watt each!  On 14,4 volt (lipo battery)
> Den fredag den 12. april 2013 22.54.27 UTC+2 skrev
> lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com:
>
>> Mike and Derek,
>> Thank you for your input. What "motors" would you advise in the 24V
>> range? The Panther weighs about 100lbs now, but will ultimately be around
>> 135lbs range.
>>
>> I currently have x2 12V Batteries, 18Ah each (Standby use 12.6 - 13.8V,
>> 2.7A, Cycle Use 14.5-14.9V  -5.4A).
>> My motors datasheet shows (for left motor, directly mounted to sprocket -
>> Right motor is spinner clockwise and performance slightly different):
>>
>> Data Type Value Range  No Load Current (A) 0.9-0.7
>> Speed (RPM) 116.2-95.1  Stall Load Torque (Nm) 21.3-17.5
>> Current (A) 13.0-14.7  Peak Power Power (W) 60.0-49.1
>> Torque (Nm) 11.1-9.1  Nominal  Power (W) 36.5 Nominal  (Peak Efficiency) 
>> Speed
>> (RPM) 82.1 NominalCurrent (A) 3.5 NominalTorque (Nm) 4.3 Nominal 
>> Again,
>> your input is very helpful!
>> Cheers from Utah,
>> Loic
>>
>> On Friday, April 12, 2013 1:24:25 PM UTC-6, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike is right.  24V motors are better than 12V motors since the 24V
>>> motors will be more efficient and actually use less amperage.  Sounds like
>>> you just need to get 24V motors with more torque.  Also if the batteries
>>> are not up to the task to delivery the amps the power hungry motors are
>>> asking for, that will also translate into no power.  The 24V scooter motors
>>> in my KV-2 are more than powerful enough to propel the 150lb. tank.  The
>>> batteries I was testing with (7AH x2, 12V in series to produce 24V@7AH)
>>> could make the tank do neutral turns while fully charged, but the power
>>> hungry motors will drain the puny batteries in less than 10 minutes.  I use
>>> less powerful motors on my Sturmtiger.  It weighs in at about 100lbs.  With
>>> proper batteries it will do neutral turns on concrete with my 190lbs
>>> sitting on the tank.  I don't sit on it anymore since I bent a few of the
>>> swing arms by doing that... :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Mike Mangus  wrote:
>>>
 Dropping down in voltage probably not the answer for a zero turn on
 grass.  I tried a couple different voltages (6 ans 12) and found the lesser
 voltage simply didn't have enough omph to turn the tank.  12v was obviously
 better.  If I could I would bump up to 24 or even 36 volts to get the power
 required to zero turn, not to mention less amp draw over a 12v system.

 Tracks that grab will actually hurt pivot turning.  Smoother tracks
 seem to let the tank pivot easier.

 Mike


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 *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 1:53 PM
 *Subject:* [TANKS] Re: New Business

 Not yet Neil. The motors are 24V and not powerful enough. no problem
 making a 360 on asphalt or concrete. We only reach 2km/hr or 1.3 mph (12
 km/hr scale). This tank cruised at 46 km/hr. We are looking into other
 motors right now (12V with more amps).  Also we are concerned about the
 "accurate" Panther tracks which "grooves" might "grab" on the grass on a
 360degree turn. That would not be good for plastic tracks. Suggestions and
 critics are welcomed!

 On Friday, April 12, 2013 3:21:51 AM UTC-6, Neil Rochford wrote:

 Can your tank do zero turns on grass ?
 Neil R

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Niels Erik Kristensen]

WOW-About  36watt!!  No wonder you dont make donouts on grass :-)   My 
motors are 800 watt each!  On 14,4 volt (lipo battery)
Den fredag den 12. april 2013 22.54.27 UTC+2 skrev 
lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com:
>
> Mike and Derek,
> Thank you for your input. What "motors" would you advise in the 24V range? 
> The Panther weighs about 100lbs now, but will ultimately be around 135lbs 
> range.
>
> I currently have x2 12V Batteries, 18Ah each (Standby use 12.6 - 13.8V, 
> 2.7A, Cycle Use 14.5-14.9V  -5.4A).
> My motors datasheet shows (for left motor, directly mounted to sprocket - 
> Right motor is spinner clockwise and performance slightly different):
>   
> Data Type Value Range  No Load Current (A) 0.9-0.7  
> Speed (RPM) 116.2-95.1  Stall Load Torque (Nm) 21.3-17.5  
> Current (A) 13.0-14.7  Peak Power Power (W) 60.0-49.1  
> Torque (Nm) 11.1-9.1  Nominal  Power (W) 36.5 Nominal  (Peak Efficiency) 
> Speed 
> (RPM) 82.1 NominalCurrent (A) 3.5 NominalTorque (Nm) 4.3 Nominal 
> Again, 
> your input is very helpful!
> Cheers from Utah,
> Loic
>
> On Friday, April 12, 2013 1:24:25 PM UTC-6, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Mike is right.  24V motors are better than 12V motors since the 24V 
>> motors will be more efficient and actually use less amperage.  Sounds like 
>> you just need to get 24V motors with more torque.  Also if the batteries 
>> are not up to the task to delivery the amps the power hungry motors are 
>> asking for, that will also translate into no power.  The 24V scooter motors 
>> in my KV-2 are more than powerful enough to propel the 150lb. tank.  The 
>> batteries I was testing with (7AH x2, 12V in series to produce 24V@7AH) 
>> could make the tank do neutral turns while fully charged, but the power 
>> hungry motors will drain the puny batteries in less than 10 minutes.  I use 
>> less powerful motors on my Sturmtiger.  It weighs in at about 100lbs.  With 
>> proper batteries it will do neutral turns on concrete with my 190lbs 
>> sitting on the tank.  I don't sit on it anymore since I bent a few of the 
>> swing arms by doing that... :)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Mike Mangus  wrote:
>>
>>> Dropping down in voltage probably not the answer for a zero turn on 
>>> grass.  I tried a couple different voltages (6 ans 12) and found the lesser 
>>> voltage simply didn't have enough omph to turn the tank.  12v was obviously 
>>> better.  If I could I would bump up to 24 or even 36 volts to get the power 
>>> required to zero turn, not to mention less amp draw over a 12v system.
>>>
>>> Tracks that grab will actually hurt pivot turning.  Smoother tracks seem 
>>> to let the tank pivot easier.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
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>>> *To:* rctank...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 1:53 PM
>>> *Subject:* [TANKS] Re: New Business
>>>  
>>> Not yet Neil. The motors are 24V and not powerful enough. no problem 
>>> making a 360 on asphalt or concrete. We only reach 2km/hr or 1.3 mph (12 
>>> km/hr scale). This tank cruised at 46 km/hr. We are looking into other 
>>> motors right now (12V with more amps).  Also we are concerned about the 
>>> "accurate" Panther tracks which "grooves" might "grab" on the grass on a 
>>> 360degree turn. That would not be good for plastic tracks. Suggestions and 
>>> critics are welcomed! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 12, 2013 3:21:51 AM UTC-6, Neil Rochford wrote:
>>>
>>> Can your tank do zero turns on grass ?
>>> Neil R
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[l...@fieldofarmortanks.com]

Mike and Derek,
Thank you for your input. What "motors" would you advise in the 24V range? 
The Panther weighs about 100lbs now, but will ultimately be around 135lbs 
range.

I currently have x2 12V Batteries, 18Ah each (Standby use 12.6 - 13.8V, 
2.7A, Cycle Use 14.5-14.9V  -5.4A).
My motors datasheet shows (for left motor, directly mounted to sprocket - 
Right motor is spinner clockwise and performance slightly different):
  
Data Type Value Range  No Load Current (A) 0.9-0.7  
Speed (RPM) 116.2-95.1  Stall Load Torque (Nm) 21.3-17.5  
Current (A) 13.0-14.7  Peak Power Power (W) 60.0-49.1  
Torque (Nm) 11.1-9.1  Nominal  Power (W) 36.5 Nominal  (Peak Efficiency) Speed 
(RPM) 82.1 NominalCurrent (A) 3.5 NominalTorque (Nm) 4.3 Nominal Again, 
your input is very helpful!
Cheers from Utah,
Loic

On Friday, April 12, 2013 1:24:25 PM UTC-6, tan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Mike is right.  24V motors are better than 12V motors since the 24V motors 
> will be more efficient and actually use less amperage.  Sounds like you 
> just need to get 24V motors with more torque.  Also if the batteries are 
> not up to the task to delivery the amps the power hungry motors are asking 
> for, that will also translate into no power.  The 24V scooter motors in my 
> KV-2 are more than powerful enough to propel the 150lb. tank.  The 
> batteries I was testing with (7AH x2, 12V in series to produce 24V@7AH) 
> could make the tank do neutral turns while fully charged, but the power 
> hungry motors will drain the puny batteries in less than 10 minutes.  I use 
> less powerful motors on my Sturmtiger.  It weighs in at about 100lbs.  With 
> proper batteries it will do neutral turns on concrete with my 190lbs 
> sitting on the tank.  I don't sit on it anymore since I bent a few of the 
> swing arms by doing that... :)
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Mike Mangus 
> > wrote:
>
>> Dropping down in voltage probably not the answer for a zero turn on 
>> grass.  I tried a couple different voltages (6 ans 12) and found the lesser 
>> voltage simply didn't have enough omph to turn the tank.  12v was obviously 
>> better.  If I could I would bump up to 24 or even 36 volts to get the power 
>> required to zero turn, not to mention less amp draw over a 12v system.
>>
>> Tracks that grab will actually hurt pivot turning.  Smoother tracks seem 
>> to let the tank pivot easier.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>   --
>>  *From:* "lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com " <
>> lo...@fieldofarmortanks.com >
>> *To:* rctank...@googlegroups.com  
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 1:53 PM
>> *Subject:* [TANKS] Re: New Business
>>  
>> Not yet Neil. The motors are 24V and not powerful enough. no problem 
>> making a 360 on asphalt or concrete. We only reach 2km/hr or 1.3 mph (12 
>> km/hr scale). This tank cruised at 46 km/hr. We are looking into other 
>> motors right now (12V with more amps).  Also we are concerned about the 
>> "accurate" Panther tracks which "grooves" might "grab" on the grass on a 
>> 360degree turn. That would not be good for plastic tracks. Suggestions and 
>> critics are welcomed! 
>>
>> On Friday, April 12, 2013 3:21:51 AM UTC-6, Neil Rochford wrote:
>>
>> Can your tank do zero turns on grass ?
>> Neil R
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Derek Engelhaupt]

Mike is right.  24V motors are better than 12V motors since the 24V motors
will be more efficient and actually use less amperage.  Sounds like you
just need to get 24V motors with more torque.  Also if the batteries are
not up to the task to delivery the amps the power hungry motors are asking
for, that will also translate into no power.  The 24V scooter motors in my
KV-2 are more than powerful enough to propel the 150lb. tank.  The
batteries I was testing with (7AH x2, 12V in series to produce 24V@7AH)
could make the tank do neutral turns while fully charged, but the power
hungry motors will drain the puny batteries in less than 10 minutes.  I use
less powerful motors on my Sturmtiger.  It weighs in at about 100lbs.  With
proper batteries it will do neutral turns on concrete with my 190lbs
sitting on the tank.  I don't sit on it anymore since I bent a few of the
swing arms by doing that... :)


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Mike Mangus  wrote:

> Dropping down in voltage probably not the answer for a zero turn on
> grass.  I tried a couple different voltages (6 ans 12) and found the lesser
> voltage simply didn't have enough omph to turn the tank.  12v was obviously
> better.  If I could I would bump up to 24 or even 36 volts to get the power
> required to zero turn, not to mention less amp draw over a 12v system.
>
> Tracks that grab will actually hurt pivot turning.  Smoother tracks seem
> to let the tank pivot easier.
>
> Mike
>
>
>   --
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> *To:* rctankcombat@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2013 1:53 PM
> *Subject:* [TANKS] Re: New Business
>
> Not yet Neil. The motors are 24V and not powerful enough. no problem
> making a 360 on asphalt or concrete. We only reach 2km/hr or 1.3 mph (12
> km/hr scale). This tank cruised at 46 km/hr. We are looking into other
> motors right now (12V with more amps).  Also we are concerned about the
> "accurate" Panther tracks which "grooves" might "grab" on the grass on a
> 360degree turn. That would not be good for plastic tracks. Suggestions and
> critics are welcomed!
>
> On Friday, April 12, 2013 3:21:51 AM UTC-6, Neil Rochford wrote:
>
> Can your tank do zero turns on grass ?
> Neil R
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Mike Mangus]

Dropping down in voltage probably not the answer for a zero turn on grass.  I 
tried a couple different voltages (6 ans 12) and found the lesser voltage 
simply didn't have enough omph to turn the tank.  12v was obviously better.  If 
I could I would bump up to 24 or even 36 volts to get the power required to 
zero turn, not to mention less amp draw over a 12v system.

Tracks that grab will actually hurt pivot turning.  Smoother tracks seem to let 
the tank pivot easier.

Mike





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To: rctankcombat@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:53 PM
Subject: [TANKS] Re: New Business
 


Not yet Neil. The motors are 24V and not powerful enough. no problem making a 
360 on asphalt or concrete. We only reach 2km/hr or 1.3 mph (12 km/hr scale). 
This tank cruised at 46 km/hr. We are looking into other motors right now (12V 
with more amps).  Also we are concerned about the "accurate" Panther tracks 
which "grooves" might "grab" on the grass on a 360degree turn. That would not 
be good for plastic tracks. Suggestions and critics are welcomed! 

On Friday, April 12, 2013 3:21:51 AM UTC-6, Neil Rochford wrote:
Can your tank do zero turns on grass ?
>Neil R
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Frank Pittelli]

Because of US import restrictions, all prize cigars come from our Cuban 
Collection stored safely in Venezuela.  As soon as we figure out who's 
running the country, we'll have them send your prize :-)


On 3/7/2013 6:23 PM, Joe Sommer wrote:


On Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:10:25 AM UTC-5, Frank Pittelli wrote:

Joe wins a cigar for hitting the bulls-eye.

Please bring my prize to the next battle.
I prefer Montecrtisto White Label Churchills.
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/proddisp.asp?item=CS-WMA


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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Joe Sommer]

On Thursday, March 7, 2013 11:10:25 AM UTC-5, Frank Pittelli wrote:
>
> Joe wins a cigar for hitting the bulls-eye.

 
Please bring my prize to the next battle.
I prefer Montecrtisto White Label Churchills.
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/proddisp.asp?item=CS-WMA
 
 

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Derek Engelhaupt]

I would say that a "stripped" kit (minus detail parts) that included the
upper and lower hulls, turret, road wheels, and suspension would be pretty
ideal.  For the suspension, I would love a functional torsion bar type
system that can hold the weight of our tanks.  Options could be either
scale tracks or "combat" tracks (table top chain or Intralox type tracks
like Joe's) using some easily obtained (cheap) drive sprockets.  Our hobby
is all about the cheap.  If it's too expensive, most of us will just build
it ourselves.  My KV-2 tracks will outlast the tank by a long shot.  They
are model 1864K4.5 from Rexnord.  They use a standard 60P sprocket. I have
yet to see it throw a track.  JMHO...

Derek

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Frank Pittelli wrote:

> At our scale and power, when running over various types of terrain,
> including tall grass, dirt, tree roots, rocks, gravel and mud, we've
> learned that tracks with a solid face work best.  That is, the track should
> be a "plate" (with or without traction grooves/ridges) that prevents stuff
> from getting caught.  Otherwise, the track will dig into the ground too
> much, making it harder to turn and/or jamming/throwing the track.
>
> As Joe pointed out, we've also learned that a taller, thicker guide tooth
> helps to prevent throwing tracks in rough terrain.
>
> Finally, given the sheer abuse we put on vehicles, the track links
> themselves (where the pin goes through) need to be thick enough to take the
> abuse.  If I recall properly (Joe can tell for sure), the Hetzer (which has
> been running on plastic tracks for 10 years in heavy battling) has never
> broken a track link.  So, if you use similar dimensions (or slightly
> larger) for your pin/link assembly, with a solid plate design and
> taller/beefier tooth, then you should have the necessary robustness for our
> hobby.   Joe can give you the diameter of the link through which the pin
> goes on his tracks.
>
>
> On 3/7/2013 10:51 AM, l...@fieldofarmortanks.com wrote:
>
>> FINALLY "Tracks": I will not make much comment here because I do NOT
>> know the survivability of FOA tracks. Our tracks are made of ABS
>> plastic.
>>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Frank Pittelli]

At our scale and power, when running over various types of terrain, 
including tall grass, dirt, tree roots, rocks, gravel and mud, we've 
learned that tracks with a solid face work best.  That is, the track 
should be a "plate" (with or without traction grooves/ridges) that 
prevents stuff from getting caught.  Otherwise, the track will dig into 
the ground too much, making it harder to turn and/or jamming/throwing 
the track.


As Joe pointed out, we've also learned that a taller, thicker guide 
tooth helps to prevent throwing tracks in rough terrain.


Finally, given the sheer abuse we put on vehicles, the track links 
themselves (where the pin goes through) need to be thick enough to take 
the abuse.  If I recall properly (Joe can tell for sure), the Hetzer 
(which has been running on plastic tracks for 10 years in heavy 
battling) has never broken a track link.  So, if you use similar 
dimensions (or slightly larger) for your pin/link assembly, with a solid 
plate design and taller/beefier tooth, then you should have the 
necessary robustness for our hobby.   Joe can give you the diameter of 
the link through which the pin goes on his tracks.


On 3/7/2013 10:51 AM, l...@fieldofarmortanks.com wrote:

FINALLY "Tracks": I will not make much comment here because I do NOT
know the survivability of FOA tracks. Our tracks are made of ABS
plastic.


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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[Frank Pittelli]

Joe wins a cigar for hitting the bulls-eye.  The minimal "starter" kit 
for our hobby would be:


1) Pre-cut, easily assembled lower hull/chassis - you've got that

2) Set of easily assembled road-wheel axles and wheels - you've got that

3) Durable tracks that aren't too expensive - you've almost got that

4) Pair of scooter motors, drive axle and gears - you've got that

With that starter kit, someone could be at the "rolling chassis" point 
in a weekend or two.  After that, they could decide to purchase 
additional sub-systems or finish the vehicle on their own based on 
existing construction articles.


Personally, I believe the key to long-term success is ridding yourself 
of overly "scaled" parts and designing a more generic (but nice looking) 
set of parts that can be used on lots of different vehicles.  For 
example, most vehicles that have battled use 3/4" thick road-wheels in 
only a couple basic diameters.  Nobody really cares that tank XYZ 
actually had 1/2" thick wheels in scale or that they should be 2.84" 
diameter instead of 3", so standard caster wheels are used.  Members 
need to be able to pick and choose from your parts to build lots of 
different lower hull configurations.  For example, suppose you offered 
the following parts:


1) Road Wheels - resell standard caster wheels in a couple sizes

2) Swing Arms - 3", 4", 5" - all 3/8" axles (1/2" with bushing)

3) Track Links - 3", 4" wide - same spacing and teeth

4) Drive Sprocket - 4"

5) Idler Sprocket - 3", 4"

6) Suspension Mounting Plate - 3, 4, 5 holes for swing arms

With those basic parts, members could build lower hulls for a very large 
number of vehicles.  Not all, of course, but enough of the popular hulls 
to jump-start someone into the hobby.


Other robot sites are starting to sell basic parts for rolling 
assemblies, but they are primarily focused on "toy" size vehicles 
popular with "in-house" hobbyists.  They are either not large enough or 
robust enough for "outdoor" hobbyists, which includes way more people 
than just our hobby.



On 3/7/2013 10:02 AM, Joe Sommer wrote:

The biggest issue for our tanks is track. It is very difficult
to fabricate track that will survive our battlefields.


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Re: [TANKS] Re: New Business

[isaac goldman]

Welcome. Im hoping to put a full electronic suite in my tank, but as stated
by previous poster one with enough power and functions for rc paintball is
a complex undertaking.
On 2013-03-07 10:02 AM, "Joe Sommer"  wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 4:06:03 PM UTC-5, 
> lo...@fieldofarmortanks.comwrote:
>>
>> The reason I'm interested is that we are changing our business direction
>> from strictly models and making the Panther/Jagdpanther offerings fully R/C
>> compatible as well as gamer ready. We think that we might be R/C ready on
>> these products by this month with our first two prototype in testing, but
>> it will take until summer for gamer upgrades... we might need some
>> "Pointers"...
>> My ultimate dream: paintball capable (with recoil), laser guidance,
>> camera system, sound system (Benedini
>
>
> Loic,
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the only commercial vehicle
> that has participated in a battle is Karl Klusewitz's JagdTiger
> T037, a 1/8 scale kit from R/C Armory.
> http://www.rctankcombat.com/tanks/T037/
>
> These are my personal comments on your list above and
> on your RC web page based on ten years of battling.
>
> >>> List from above
> Recoil, lasers, cameras and sound would be fun for backyard
> shooters but would be impractical for battles per below.
>
> 1)  Recoil - We use electronic markers or automotive door lock actuators
> that can fire at over 10 balls per second in semi-automatic
> mode.
>
> 2)  Lasers - Laser spots on targets are very difficult to see in broad
> daylight without a scope as on a rifle.  Second, the pace of battle
> does not allow very much time to fine tune a firing solution.
>
> Lastly, over 20 to 30 yards where a laser might be useful, paintball
> trajectories have significant drop.  If you aim a laser that is coaxial
> with the gun at a target, the shot would be too low.  You
> would need a separate elevation gimbal for the laser, a range finder
> to measure distance and ballistic calculations to elevate the gun.
> This would be great fun to develop but would only be useful for one shot
> from ambush.
>
> 3)  Cameras - Several tankers carry gun cameras and we often post POV
> videos.
> However the pace of play is very fast and you would need a monocle
> to view the camera and real-world simultaneously.  Secondly, most
> video has insufficient frame rate to see paintballs flying downrange
> and adjust targeting.
>
> 4)  Sound - We often want stealth when trying to ambush opponents.
>
> >>> List from your RC web page
> http://www.fieldofarmortanks.com/category_s/33021.htm
>
> Your upgrades for hull, sprockets, road wheels, drivetrain
> and suspension sound great.  They are definitely needed for
> gaming.  It would be nice to see photos to get an idea
> about component size and strength.
>
> Speed of turret rotation is important for close-range battling.
> Precision (not speed) of gun elevation is also very important.
>
> Smoke would be fun but not useful for gamers.
>
> The biggest issue for our tanks is track.  It is very difficult
> to fabricate track that will survive our battlefields.  Track
> like yours that has high fidelity to scale detail will not survive
> because material properties and stresses on full scale
> track does not scale proportionally to 1/6 scale.
>
> Although I have only seen your track in photos, you may
> wish to redesign links that are simpler, stronger, have less
> detail and taller guide horns.  This is based on my experience
> using Intralox series 900 mold-to-width conveyor with polypropylene
> links for track on Hetzer T010.
>
> Best wishes for success in your new market,
> Joe
>
>
>
>
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New business in alloy casting of metal tracks 1/6 scale

[Gregory Kampjes]

Ohhh, Sydney, that means cheap shipping to NZ, if I ever get the money to
buy some tracks.

-Gregory

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:49 PM,  wrote:

>   In a message dated 9/8/2010 9:30:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> sho...@cox.net writes:
>
> Will be interesting to see some pictures... I hope they work good for r/c
> and are priced right for us non-museum finished Tankers.
>
> Kurt (SCAB)G
>
> i hear there might be a non-refundable lay-away plan :)
>
> now with there being track being cast, i am wondering about sprockets and
> the rest of the wheels?
>
> Chris,
> Odyssey Slipways 
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Re: [TANKS] Re: New business in alloy casting of metal tracks 1/6 scale

[OdysseySlipways]

 
 
In a message dated 9/8/2010 9:30:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sho...@cox.net writes:

Will be  interesting to see some pictures... I hope they work good for r/c 
and are  priced right for us non-museum finished Tankers.

Kurt  (SCAB)G


i hear there might be a non-refundable lay-away plan :)
 
now with there being track being cast, i am wondering about sprockets and  
the rest of the wheels?
 
Chris,
_Odyssey  Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html) 

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Re: [TANKS] Re: New business in alloy casting of metal tracks 1/6 scale

[Susan Gutbrodt]

Will be interesting to see some pictures... I hope they work good for r/c 
and are priced right for us non-museum finished Tankers.


Kurt (SCAB)G
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Great! Keep us updated please.

Aaron F
SCAB

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