Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Bonnie Dede]

t: Sound effects books
>   (655$a)
>
> Scented book (content, but no content type available, so just a Note on
> Expression)
> Extent: 1 volume (unpaged)
>  (300$a)
> Content Type: text
>  (336$a)
> Content Type: still image
>   (336$a)
> Media Type: unmediated
>  (337$a)
> Carrier Type: volume
>  (338$a)
> Note on Expression: Resource is a children's scented  book
>  (500$a)
> Object: Scented books
>   (655$a)
>
> Sticker book (content? )
>
> And of course, there are combinations, e.g.:
>
> Pop-up book with sounds, on board pages
> Extent: 1 volume (unpaged)
>  (300$a)
> Content Type: text
>   (336$a)
> Content Type: still image
>   (336$a)
> Content Type: three-dimensional form
>  (336$a)
> Content Type: sounds
>  (336$a)
> Media Type: unmediated
>  (337$a)
> Carrier Type: volume
>  (338$a)
> Note on Expression: Resource is a children's pop-up book, with
> sound effects(500$a)
> Base Material: ??
>   (340$a)
> Details of Base Material: On board pages
>  (500$a)
> Object: Board books
>       (655$a)
>         Object: Pop-up books
>      (655$a)
>     Object: Sound effects books
>   (655$a)
>
> Deborah
>
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> Deborah Fritz
> TMQ, Inc.
> debo...@marcofquality.com
> www.marcofquality.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kimberly Montgomery
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 6:04 PM
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like
> "Board book" or "Scented book"
>
> I'm a little late to this conversation, but I wonder this... If a board
> book is an expression different from a rag book and different from a pop up
> book, all expressions of the same work, doesn't 6.12 apply?
>
> Kimberly Montgomery
> Electronic Resources Cataloger Librarian
> Cataloging Services Department
> University of Central Florida Libraries
> kimberly.montgom...@ucf.edu
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Brenndorfer, Thomas
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:55 PM
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like
> "Board book" or "Scented book"
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brenndorfer, Thomas
> > Sent: May-09-13 2:43 PM
> > To: Brenndorfer, Thomas
> > Subject: RE: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term
> > like "Board book" or "Scented book"
> >
> > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and
> > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Julie Moore
> > Sent: May-09-13 2:38 PM
> > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term
> > like "Board book" or "Scented book"
> >
> > Ooops! My mistake. For some reason, I was thinking we put that into
> > the 300, but I don't think we actually did. (I don't normally catalog
> > board books -- but I do catalog a lot of other funny formats!) So the
> > 300 would probably stay similar to how it is now (except spelling
> > everything out) ... something like
> > this:
> >
> > 300  12 unnumbered pages : ǂb color illustrations ; ǂc 24 x 30 cm Your
> > 336-338 look fine to me.
> > 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent
> > 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent
> > 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent
> > 336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent
> > 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia
> > 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier
> > (Resource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects) Along with a
> > 500 note to express the interesting form of the book. I would think
> > that a strangely shaped book would also go in a 500 note.
> > 500 Board book.
> > or
> > 500 Pop-up book with sound effects.
> > or
> > 500 Board book in the shape of a shark.
>
>
> For the RDA element to support this 500 note, I'm not sure that "Nature of
> the Content" (RDA 7.2) is appropriate, as RDA 7.2 is a work-related element
> for the "primary content" of the resource.
>
> I think this 500 note falls under RDA 7.29 "Note on Expression" as it
> annotates the other expression elements such as those found in the 336
> fields.
>
> Also, I read the other expression elements such as "Sound Content" as
> fallback elements in case the 336 for "sounds" isn't chosen. A Content Type
> like "sounds" should be chosen if all or most of the resource is of this
> content type, or it is important for identification or selection. But if
> not, then the other expression elements like "Sound Content" or
> "Illustrative Content" or "Supplementary Content" should be chosen, as
> these refer to complementary expression attributes that support the primary
> content of the resource.
>
> Thomas Brenndorfer
> Guelph Public Library
>

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Deborah Fritz]

)
Carrier Type: volume
(338$a)
Note on Expression: Resource is a children's sound story  book  
(500$a)
Object: Sound effects books 
(655$a)

Scented book (content, but no content type available, so just a Note on 
Expression)
Extent: 1 volume (unpaged)  
(300$a)
Content Type: text  
(336$a)
Content Type: still image   
(336$a)
Media Type: unmediated  (337$a)
Carrier Type: volume
(338$a)
Note on Expression: Resource is a children's scented  book  
(500$a)
Object: Scented books   
(655$a)

Sticker book (content? )

And of course, there are combinations, e.g.:

Pop-up book with sounds, on board pages
Extent: 1 volume (unpaged)  
(300$a)
Content Type: text  
 (336$a)
Content Type: still image   
(336$a)
Content Type: three-dimensional form
(336$a)
Content Type: sounds
(336$a)
Media Type: unmediated  
(337$a)
Carrier Type: volume
(338$a)
Note on Expression: Resource is a children's pop-up book, with sound 
effects(500$a)
Base Material: ??   
(340$a)
Details of Base Material: On board pages
(500$a)
Object: Board books 
(655$a)
Object: Pop-up books
(655$a)
Object: Sound effects books 
(655$a)

Deborah

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TMQ, Inc.
debo...@marcofquality.com
www.marcofquality.com


-Original Message-
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Kimberly Montgomery
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 6:04 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board 
book" or "Scented book"

I'm a little late to this conversation, but I wonder this... If a board book is 
an expression different from a rag book and different from a pop up book, all 
expressions of the same work, doesn't 6.12 apply?  

Kimberly Montgomery   
Electronic Resources Cataloger Librarian   
Cataloging Services Department   
University of Central Florida Libraries   
kimberly.montgom...@ucf.edu

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Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:55 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board 
book" or "Scented book"

> -Original Message-----
> From: Brenndorfer, Thomas
> Sent: May-09-13 2:43 PM
> To: Brenndorfer, Thomas
> Subject: RE: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term 
> like "Board book" or "Scented book"
> 
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and 
> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Julie Moore
> Sent: May-09-13 2:38 PM
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term 
> like "Board book" or "Scented book"
> 
> Ooops! My mistake. For some reason, I was thinking we put that into 
> the 300, but I don't think we actually did. (I don't normally catalog 
> board books -- but I do catalog a lot of other funny formats!) So the
> 300 would probably stay similar to how it is now (except spelling 
> everything out) ... something like
> this:
> 
> 300  12 unnumbered pages : ǂb color illustrations ; ǂc 24 x 30 cm Your
> 336-338 look fine to me.
> 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent
> 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent
> 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent
> 336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent
> 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia
> 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier
> (Resource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects) Along with a
> 500 note to expres

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Kimberly Montgomery]

I'm a little late to this conversation, but I wonder this... If a board book is 
an expression different from a rag book and different from a pop up book, all 
expressions of the same work, doesn't 6.12 apply?  

Kimberly Montgomery   
Electronic Resources Cataloger Librarian   
Cataloging Services Department   
University of Central Florida Libraries   
kimberly.montgom...@ucf.edu

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Brenndorfer, Thomas
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:55 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board 
book" or "Scented book"

> -Original Message-
> From: Brenndorfer, Thomas
> Sent: May-09-13 2:43 PM
> To: Brenndorfer, Thomas
> Subject: RE: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term 
> like "Board book" or "Scented book"
> 
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and 
> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Julie Moore
> Sent: May-09-13 2:38 PM
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term 
> like "Board book" or "Scented book"
> 
> Ooops! My mistake. For some reason, I was thinking we put that into 
> the 300, but I don't think we actually did. (I don't normally catalog 
> board books -- but I do catalog a lot of other funny formats!) So the 
> 300 would probably stay similar to how it is now (except spelling 
> everything out) ... something like
> this:
> 
> 300  12 unnumbered pages : ǂb color illustrations ; ǂc 24 x 30 cm Your 
> 336-338 look fine to me.
> 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent
> 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent
> 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent
> 336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent
> 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia
> 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier
> (Resource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects) Along with a 
> 500 note to express the interesting form of the book. I would think 
> that a strangely shaped book would also go in a 500 note.
> 500 Board book.
> or
> 500 Pop-up book with sound effects.
> or
> 500 Board book in the shape of a shark.


For the RDA element to support this 500 note, I'm not sure that "Nature of the 
Content" (RDA 7.2) is appropriate, as RDA 7.2 is a work-related element for the 
"primary content" of the resource.

I think this 500 note falls under RDA 7.29 "Note on Expression" as it annotates 
the other expression elements such as those found in the 336 fields.

Also, I read the other expression elements such as "Sound Content" as fallback 
elements in case the 336 for "sounds" isn't chosen. A Content Type like 
"sounds" should be chosen if all or most of the resource is of this content 
type, or it is important for identification or selection. But if not, then the 
other expression elements like "Sound Content" or "Illustrative Content" or 
"Supplementary Content" should be chosen, as these refer to complementary 
expression attributes that support the primary content of the resource.

Thomas Brenndorfer
Guelph Public Library

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Julie Moore]

This reminds me of one of Sammy's (my son's) first favorite books was
called Dinos. It was on textured foam pages. There was a small amount of
text. And the thing that intrigued him the most was that the dinosaurs
could come out of their shapes (rather like a 1-piece puzzle on each page!)
He could play with (and chew on) the dinosaurs. The dinosaurs were all
different textures and colors. This was highly desirable for a 1-year old!
Here's a picture of it:
http://www.amazon.com/Textured-Soft-Shapes-AnnMarie-McLaughlin/dp/B00A16ZJQS

So don't forget to include:
On soft textured foam pages!

Julie Moore :-)
Fresno State


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Deborah Fritz wrote:

> Although that sounds like a really good idea, without an added option,
> unfortunately, I do not think the RDA instructions for Extent of Text
> (3.4.5.2)  do not allow us to use 'other' terms.
>
> Even though 3.4.1.3 says " (For instructions on using other terms to
> designate the type of unit see 3.4.1.5.)" and 3.4.1.5 allows alternative
> terms, continuing down 3.4.1.3 takes us to Exceptions for Cartographic
> resources, Notated music, Still images, Text, and Three-dimensional forms.
>
> For all of those types of resources, except Notated music and Text, the
> recording instructions say "If none of the terms listed above is
> appropriate, use a term designating the type of unit as concisely as
> possible".
>
> Notated music (3.4.3.1) says: "Apply the instructions given under 3.4.3.2
> when recording the extent of a printed or manuscript resource consisting of
> notated music (with or without accompanying text and/or illustrations)" and
> "For resources consisting of notated music in other media (e.g.,
> microforms), apply the basic instructions given under 3.4.1" which limits
> us
> to using only the terms provided under 3.4.3.2 for printed or manuscript
> notated music, although we are free to use alternative terms for 'other
> media'.
>
> Text (3.4.5.1) says: " Apply the instructions given under 3.4.5.2-3.4.5.22
> when recording the extent of a resource consisting of one or more volumes,
> sheets, portfolios, or cases containing printed or manuscript text, with or
> without accompanying illustrations" and "For resources consisting of text
> in
> other media (e.g., microforms), apply the basic instructions given under
> 3.4.1", which limits us to using only the terms provided under
> 3.4.5.2-3.4.5.22 for printed or manuscript text, although we are free to
> use
> alternative terms for 'other media'.
>
> So, until (if) we get an added option, if it seems important for
> identification or selection  we can, perhaps, add Details of Base Materials
> notes (500) for things like:
> Board books: e.g., "On board pages"
> Rag books: e.g., "On cloth pages"
> Bath books: e.g., "On plastic pages"
>
> And (perhaps) Notes on Dimensions (500) for things that are shaped
> strangely
> (Die-cut books)
>
> Along with the Note on Expression (500) for things that contain different
> content types, e.g., "A pop-up book with pull out tabs"
>
> I don't think we have a Content Type for a 'Scented book', so would that be
> covered under Base Material or, perhaps, Applied Material: Scent?
>
> Deborah
>
> -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
> Deborah Fritz
> TMQ, Inc.
> debo...@marcofquality.com
> www.marcofquality.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:22 PM
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like
> "Board book" or "Scented book"
>
> Deborah Friz posted earlier:
>
> >Does anyone know, which, if any, of the RDA elements for Physical
> Carriers >would be appropriate for this type of information:
>
> >>Board book
>
> etc.
>
> In addition to a 655 genre heading, while it might need an RDA option to be
> added, one possibility would be to have a collation as some have for
> atlases:
>
> 300  $a1 board book (25 pages) :$bcoloured illustrations ;$c24 cm
>
>
>__   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
>   {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
>   ___} |__ \__
>



-- 
Julie Renee Moore
Head of Cataloging
California State University, Fresno
julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com
559-278-5813

“Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from
themselves.”... James Matthew Barrie

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Deborah Fritz]

Although that sounds like a really good idea, without an added option,
unfortunately, I do not think the RDA instructions for Extent of Text
(3.4.5.2)  do not allow us to use 'other' terms.

Even though 3.4.1.3 says " (For instructions on using other terms to
designate the type of unit see 3.4.1.5.)" and 3.4.1.5 allows alternative
terms, continuing down 3.4.1.3 takes us to Exceptions for Cartographic
resources, Notated music, Still images, Text, and Three-dimensional forms. 

For all of those types of resources, except Notated music and Text, the
recording instructions say "If none of the terms listed above is
appropriate, use a term designating the type of unit as concisely as
possible".

Notated music (3.4.3.1) says: "Apply the instructions given under 3.4.3.2
when recording the extent of a printed or manuscript resource consisting of
notated music (with or without accompanying text and/or illustrations)" and
"For resources consisting of notated music in other media (e.g.,
microforms), apply the basic instructions given under 3.4.1" which limits us
to using only the terms provided under 3.4.3.2 for printed or manuscript
notated music, although we are free to use alternative terms for 'other
media'.

Text (3.4.5.1) says: " Apply the instructions given under 3.4.5.2-3.4.5.22
when recording the extent of a resource consisting of one or more volumes,
sheets, portfolios, or cases containing printed or manuscript text, with or
without accompanying illustrations" and "For resources consisting of text in
other media (e.g., microforms), apply the basic instructions given under
3.4.1", which limits us to using only the terms provided under
3.4.5.2-3.4.5.22 for printed or manuscript text, although we are free to use
alternative terms for 'other media'.

So, until (if) we get an added option, if it seems important for
identification or selection  we can, perhaps, add Details of Base Materials
notes (500) for things like: 
Board books: e.g., "On board pages"
Rag books: e.g., "On cloth pages"
Bath books: e.g., "On plastic pages"

And (perhaps) Notes on Dimensions (500) for things that are shaped strangely
(Die-cut books)

Along with the Note on Expression (500) for things that contain different
content types, e.g., "A pop-up book with pull out tabs"

I don't think we have a Content Type for a 'Scented book', so would that be
covered under Base Material or, perhaps, Applied Material: Scent?

Deborah

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Deborah Fritz
TMQ, Inc.
debo...@marcofquality.com
www.marcofquality.com


-Original Message-
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of J. McRee Elrod
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:22 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like
"Board book" or "Scented book"

Deborah Friz posted earlier:

>Does anyone know, which, if any, of the RDA elements for Physical
Carriers >would be appropriate for this type of information:

>>Board book

etc.

In addition to a 655 genre heading, while it might need an RDA option to be
added, one possibility would be to have a collation as some have for
atlases:

300  $a1 board book (25 pages) :$bcoloured illustrations ;$c24 cm


   __   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
  {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
  ___} |__ \__

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Deborah Fritz]

You are quite right, of course, Thomas--Nature of Content is at the Work level, 
and I still don’t think that a pop-up version of “Horton Hears A Who” is a 
different work, although it certainly would be a different expression because 
of the addition of the Content Types. 

And since it is an expression level difference we are talking about for pop-up 
books, sound story books, and anything else that involves different Content 
Types, we need an Expression level note and your suggestion of 7.29 "Note on 
Expression" (in a 500) is just what we need to explain all those content types. 
Excellent. Thank you!

So, we can do:
300  12 unnumbered pages : $b color illustrations ; $c 24 x 30 cm 
336 ## $atext $2rdacontent
336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent
336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent
336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent
337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia
338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier
500 ## $aResource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects.

Even though such a note is not Core, it does seem important for identification 
or selection (and for copy cataloging selection too)

Deborah

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Deborah Fritz
TMQ, Inc.
debo...@marcofquality.com
www.marcofquality.com

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From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Brenndorfer, Thomas
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:55 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board 
book" or "Scented book"

 [snip]

For the RDA element to support this 500 note, I'm not sure that "Nature of the 
Content" (RDA 7.2) is appropriate, as RDA 7.2 is a work-related element for the 
"primary content" of the resource.

I think this 500 note falls under RDA 7.29 "Note on Expression" as it annotates 
the other expression elements such as those found in the 336 fields.

Also, I read the other expression elements such as "Sound Content" as fallback 
elements in case the 336 for "sounds" isn't chosen. A Content Type like 
"sounds" should be chosen if all or most of the resource is of this content 
type, or it is important for identification or selection. But if not, then the 
other expression elements like "Sound Content" or "Illustrative Content" or 
"Supplementary Content" should be chosen, as these refer to complementary 
expression attributes that support the primary content of the resource.

Thomas Brenndorfer
Guelph Public Library

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[J. McRee Elrod]

Deborah Friz posted earlier:

>Does anyone know, which, if any, of the RDA elements for Physical
Carriers >would be appropriate for this type of information:

>>Board book 

etc.

In addition to a 655 genre heading, while it might need an RDA option
to be added, one possibility would be to have a collation as some have
for atlases:

300  $a1 board book (25 pages) :$bcoloured illustrations ;$c24 cm


   __   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
  {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
  ___} |__ \__

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Brenndorfer, Thomas]

> -Original Message-
> From: Brenndorfer, Thomas
> Sent: May-09-13 2:43 PM
> To: Brenndorfer, Thomas
> Subject: RE: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like
> "Board book" or "Scented book"
> 
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Julie Moore
> Sent: May-09-13 2:38 PM
> To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like
> "Board book" or "Scented book"
> 
> Ooops! My mistake. For some reason, I was thinking we put that into the
> 300, but I don't think we actually did. (I don't normally catalog board books 
> --
> but I do catalog a lot of other funny formats!) So the 300 would probably stay
> similar to how it is now (except spelling everything out) ... something like
> this:
> 
> 300  12 unnumbered pages : ǂb color illustrations ; ǂc 24 x 30 cm Your 336-338
> look fine to me.
> 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent
> 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent
> 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent
> 336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent
> 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia
> 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier
> (Resource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects) Along with a 500
> note to express the interesting form of the book. I would think that a
> strangely shaped book would also go in a 500 note.
> 500 Board book.
> or
> 500 Pop-up book with sound effects.
> or
> 500 Board book in the shape of a shark.


For the RDA element to support this 500 note, I'm not sure that "Nature of the 
Content" (RDA 7.2) is appropriate, as RDA 7.2 is a work-related element for the 
"primary content" of the resource.

I think this 500 note falls under RDA 7.29 "Note on Expression" as it annotates 
the other expression elements such as those found in the 336 fields.

Also, I read the other expression elements such as "Sound Content" as fallback 
elements in case the 336 for "sounds" isn't chosen. A Content Type like 
"sounds" should be chosen if all or most of the resource is of this content 
type, or it is important for identification or selection. But if not, then the 
other expression elements like "Sound Content" or "Illustrative Content" or 
"Supplementary Content" should be chosen, as these refer to complementary 
expression attributes that support the primary content of the resource.

Thomas Brenndorfer
Guelph Public Library

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Julie Moore]

Ooops! My mistake. For some reason, I was thinking we put that into the
300, but I don't think we actually did. (I don't normally catalog board
books -- but I do catalog a lot of other funny formats!)

So the 300 would probably stay similar to how it is now (except spelling
everything out) ... something like this:

300  12 unnumbered pages : ǂb color illustrations ; ǂc 24 x 30 cm

Your 336-338 look fine to me.

336 ## $atext $2rdacontent

336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent

336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent

336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent

337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia

338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier
(Resource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects)

Along with a 500 note to express the interesting form of the book. I would
think that a strangely shaped book would also go in a 500 note.

500 Board book.
or
500 Pop-up book with sound effects.
or
500 Board book in the shape of a shark.

and

655  #0 Board books.

Thoughts?

Julie Moore
Fresno State




On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Julie Moore wrote:

> Deborah,
>
> I've been following this post with great curiosity.
>
> I'm trying to get the full picture here. It is VERY important that people
> understand that this thing is a bathtub book, popup book, and etc.  Are we
> still going to describe the fact that it is a bathtub book, board book,
> etc. in the 300? (If so, I am good with this scenario.)
> So the fact that it is a board book, popup book, etc. will be reflected in
> the:
> 300
> 500
> and
> 655
>
> I'm just wanting to be sure that I am understanding this correctly.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Julie Moore
> Fresno State
>
>
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Deborah Fritz 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Mac and you that it appears that these types of *terms*will 
>> probably be best handled by the entity ‘Object’, once that entity is
>> covered by RDA. In the meantime, in MARC records, they (or their official
>> equivalents) can go in 655, as you both say.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The attributes of these types of materials will still need to be entered
>> as appropriate, e.g.:
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent
>>
>> 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent
>>
>> 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent 
>>
>> 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia
>>
>> 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier
>>
>> (Resource is a children's pop-up book)
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent
>>
>> 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent
>>
>> 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent
>>
>> 336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent
>>
>> 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia
>>
>> 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier
>>
>> (Resource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects)
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I found the “BL Monograph WEMI Workflow” at
>> http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=wka700 very helpful for the
>> above. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> There are undoubtedly other attributes that can be entered. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I like the idea of using the Nature of the Content for a summary of the
>> contents:
>>
>> 500 ## $aPop-up book with sound effects
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I also think it would be useful to enter the Base Material for a ‘board
>> book’ but I can’t figure out which of the terms under 3.6.1.3 would apply,
>> or what other term is actually appropriate (perhaps ‘paper over
>> boards’—from ONIX:
>> http://www.editeur.org/files/ONIX%20for%20books%20-%20code%20lists/ONIX_BookProduct_CodeLists_Issue_20.html)
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I’d also like to enter the ‘shape’ attribute somewhere, but can’t figure
>> out where—Note on Dimensions of Manifestation, perhaps.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Deborah
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  
>>
>> Deborah Fritz
>>
>> TMQ, Inc.
>>
>> debo...@marcofquality.com
>>
>> www.marcofquality.com
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and
>> Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Lapka,
>> Francis
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:15 AM
>>
>> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
>> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term
>> like "Board book" or "Scented book"
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I agree, the “types” you describe represent at 

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Julie Moore]

Deborah,

I've been following this post with great curiosity.

I'm trying to get the full picture here. It is VERY important that people
understand that this thing is a bathtub book, popup book, and etc.  Are we
still going to describe the fact that it is a bathtub book, board book,
etc. in the 300? (If so, I am good with this scenario.)
So the fact that it is a board book, popup book, etc. will be reflected in
the:
300
500
and
655

I'm just wanting to be sure that I am understanding this correctly.

Thoughts?

Julie Moore
Fresno State


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Deborah Fritz wrote:

> I agree with Mac and you that it appears that these types of *terms* will
> probably be best handled by the entity ‘Object’, once that entity is
> covered by RDA. In the meantime, in MARC records, they (or their official
> equivalents) can go in 655, as you both say.
>
> ** **
>
> The attributes of these types of materials will still need to be entered
> as appropriate, e.g.:
>
> ** **
>
> 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent
>
> 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent
>
> 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent 
>
> 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia
>
> 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier
>
> (Resource is a children's pop-up book)
>
> ** **
>
> 336 ## $atext $2rdacontent
>
> 336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent
>
> 336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent
>
> 336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent
>
> 337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia
>
> 338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier
>
> (Resource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects)
>
> ** **
>
> I found the “BL Monograph WEMI Workflow” at
> http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=wka700 very helpful for the
> above. 
>
> ** **
>
> There are undoubtedly other attributes that can be entered. 
>
> ** **
>
> I like the idea of using the Nature of the Content for a summary of the
> contents:
>
> 500 ## $aPop-up book with sound effects
>
> ** **
>
> I also think it would be useful to enter the Base Material for a ‘board
> book’ but I can’t figure out which of the terms under 3.6.1.3 would apply,
> or what other term is actually appropriate (perhaps ‘paper over
> boards’—from ONIX:
> http://www.editeur.org/files/ONIX%20for%20books%20-%20code%20lists/ONIX_BookProduct_CodeLists_Issue_20.html)
> 
>
> ** **
>
> I’d also like to enter the ‘shape’ attribute somewhere, but can’t figure
> out where—Note on Dimensions of Manifestation, perhaps.
>
> ** **
>
> Deborah
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  
>
> Deborah Fritz
>
> TMQ, Inc.
>
> debo...@marcofquality.com****
>
> www.marcofquality.com****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Lapka, Francis
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:15 AM
>
> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term
> like "Board book" or "Scented book"
>
> ** **
>
> I agree, the “types” you describe represent at least a change of content
> type (or a new Expression), and I could be persuaded that they don’t
> constitute new works. As Mac suggests, the types would be logically
> recorded as form/genre (MARC 655).****
>
> ** **
>
> Francis
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA ] *On
> Behalf Of *Deborah Fritz
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 08, 2013 4:46 PM
> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term
> like "Board book" or "Scented book"
>
> ** **
>
> Hmm, that would mean that a change in the ‘type of book’ would be at the
> Work level, which would mean that the pop up version of a story would be a
> different work, and I’m not sure I would think of it at that level, e.g.:
> Horton Hears a Who
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Horton-Hears-Who-Dr-Seuss/dp/0394800788
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375841946/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=1535523722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0394800788&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1SAQA14BEM9500KM52VR
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Or ‘Tails’, which appears to be available in hardcover and as a board book:
> 
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Tails-Matthew-Van-Fleet/dp/0152167730/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368043414&sr=1-7&keywords

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Deborah Fritz]

I agree with Mac and you that it appears that these types of terms will
probably be best handled by the entity 'Object', once that entity is covered
by RDA. In the meantime, in MARC records, they (or their official
equivalents) can go in 655, as you both say.

 

The attributes of these types of materials will still need to be entered as
appropriate, e.g.:

 

336 ## $atext $2rdacontent

336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent

336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent 

337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia

338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier

(Resource is a children's pop-up book)

 

336 ## $atext $2rdacontent

336 ## $astill image $2rdacontent

336 ## $athree-dimensional form $2rdacontent

336 ## $asounds $2rdacontent

337 ## $aunmediated $2rdamedia

338 ## $avolume $2rdacarrier

(Resource is a children's pop-up book with sound effects)

 

I found the "BL Monograph WEMI Workflow" at
http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=wka700 very helpful for the
above. 

 

There are undoubtedly other attributes that can be entered. 

 

I like the idea of using the Nature of the Content for a summary of the
contents:

500 ## $aPop-up book with sound effects

 

I also think it would be useful to enter the Base Material for a 'board
book' but I can't figure out which of the terms under 3.6.1.3 would apply,
or what other term is actually appropriate (perhaps 'paper over boards'-from
ONIX:
http://www.editeur.org/files/ONIX%20for%20books%20-%20code%20lists/ONIX_Book
Product_CodeLists_Issue_20.html) 

 

I'd also like to enter the 'shape' attribute somewhere, but can't figure out
where-Note on Dimensions of Manifestation, perhaps.

 

Deborah

 

 

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Deborah Fritz

TMQ, Inc.

 <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com

 <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com

 

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:15 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like
"Board book" or "Scented book"

 

I agree, the "types" you describe represent at least a change of content
type (or a new Expression), and I could be persuaded that they don't
constitute new works. As Mac suggests, the types would be logically recorded
as form/genre (MARC 655).

 

Francis

 

 

 

 

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 4:46 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like
"Board book" or "Scented book"

 

Hmm, that would mean that a change in the 'type of book' would be at the
Work level, which would mean that the pop up version of a story would be a
different work, and I'm not sure I would think of it at that level, e.g.:
Horton Hears a Who

http://www.amazon.com/Horton-Hears-Who-Dr-Seuss/dp/0394800788

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375841946/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=15
35523722
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375841946/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=1
535523722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0394800788&pf_rd_m=AT
VPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1SAQA14BEM9500KM52VR>
&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0394800788&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0D
ER&pf_rd_r=1SAQA14BEM9500KM52VR

 

Or 'Tails', which appears to be available in hardcover and as a board book:

http://www.amazon.com/Tails-Matthew-Van-Fleet/dp/0152167730/ref=sr_1_7?s=boo
ks
<http://www.amazon.com/Tails-Matthew-Van-Fleet/dp/0152167730/ref=sr_1_7?s=bo
oks&ie=UTF8&qid=1368043414&sr=1-7&keywords=scented+books>
&ie=UTF8&qid=1368043414&sr=1-7&keywords=scented+books

 

But, you might have a point that some of these 'types' seem like different
expressions (Content Type: tactile image + Content Type: text), rather than
different manifestations (Base materials: Hardboard) or even both; so,
perhaps for some of these, I need to be thinking 'Content' and, in that
case, details would have to be in Nature of the Content, e.g., for Tails
(above)

 

Base materials: hardboard

Content Type: tactile image

Content Type: text

Nature of Content: Pull tabs, lift-able flaps, tufts of fur, and even a
scratch-and-sniff skunk tail

 

Perhaps we may not be able to get these actual terms nicely placed in the
RDA records, until more work is done on Vocabulary Mapping. I do feel that
the more standardized we can be in using vocabulary terms instead of
free-text, the better it will be.

 

Hmm, now I'm wondering whether these terms might not turn out to be Objects
(yet to be released) http://access.rdatoolkit

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Lapka, Francis]

I agree, the "types" you describe represent at least a change of content type 
(or a new Expression), and I could be persuaded that they don't constitute new 
works. As Mac suggests, the types would be logically recorded as form/genre 
(MARC 655).

Francis




From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 4:46 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board 
book" or "Scented book"

Hmm, that would mean that a change in the 'type of book' would be at the Work 
level, which would mean that the pop up version of a story would be a different 
work, and I'm not sure I would think of it at that level, e.g.: Horton Hears a 
Who
http://www.amazon.com/Horton-Hears-Who-Dr-Seuss/dp/0394800788

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375841946/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=1535523722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0394800788&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1SAQA14BEM9500KM52VR

Or 'Tails', which appears to be available in hardcover and as a board book:
http://www.amazon.com/Tails-Matthew-Van-Fleet/dp/0152167730/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1368043414&sr=1-7&keywords=scented+books

But, you might have a point that some of these 'types' seem like different 
expressions (Content Type: tactile image + Content Type: text), rather than 
different manifestations (Base materials: Hardboard) or even both; so, perhaps 
for some of these, I need to be thinking 'Content' and, in that case, details 
would have to be in Nature of the Content, e.g., for Tails (above)

Base materials: hardboard
Content Type: tactile image
Content Type: text
Nature of Content: Pull tabs, lift-able flaps, tufts of fur, and even a 
scratch-and-sniff skunk tail

Perhaps we may not be able to get these actual terms nicely placed in the RDA 
records, until more work is done on Vocabulary Mapping. I do feel that the more 
standardized we can be in using vocabulary terms instead of free-text, the 
better it will be.

Hmm, now I'm wondering whether these terms might not turn out to be Objects 
(yet to be released) http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp14

Deborah


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Deborah Fritz
TMQ, Inc.
debo...@marcofquality.com<mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com>
www.marcofquality.com<http://www.marcofquality.com>

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:55 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board 
book" or "Scented book"


Why not:

RDA 6.3 Form of Work:  board book


Francis

_
Francis Lapka, Catalog Librarian
Yale Center for British Art, Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts
1080 Chapel Street, PO Box 208280, New Haven, CT  06520
203.432.9672francis.la...@yale.edu<mailto:francis.la...@yale.edu>





From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:36 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
Subject: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board 
book" or "Scented book"

Does anyone know, which, if any, of the RDA elements for Physical Carriers 
would be appropriate for this type of information:

Board book
Rag book
Bath book
Pop-up book
Touch-and-feel book
Scented book
Sound story book
Sticker book
Die-cut book (e.g., shaped like a shark)

Most of these terms are from ONIX, and there are others in the list below that 
show up in AACR records now and then:
http://www.editeur.org/files/ONIX%20for%20books%20-%20code%20lists/ONIX_BookProduct_CodeLists_Issue_20.html


Under AACR we would simply have added this kind of thing as a 1.7B10 Physical 
Description Note (500), but I cannot see where to enter this type of 
information as an RDA element (ignoring MARC for the time being)

3.6 Base Material is a possibility for:

Board book: Base Material: hardboard (?)
Rag book: Base Material: textile
Bath book: Base Material: plastic

But I don't think those terms convey the information as well as the ONIX terms.

3.6.1.4 Details of Base Material would allow us to make this more note-like, 
e.g., On board pages shaped in profile of a bear (LCCN: 2009934889) ; but I 
don't think 'Scented book' fits under Base material at all.

The Extent of Text instructions  (3.4.5) are quite restrictive, with no 
allowance for the kind of leeway allowed under other types of materials, e.g., 
under 3.4.4.2 (Ex

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[J. McRee Elrod]

Deborah Fritz posted:


>Does anyone know, which, if any, of the RDA elements for Physical Carriers
>would be appropriate for this type of information:

>Board book

etc,

While not RDA, these might be most useful for patrons in 655 0, 655 7
$2lcgft, or 655 4, depending on their pretense in or absence from
lists.


   __   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
  {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
  ___} |__ \__

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Deborah Fritz]

Hmm, that would mean that a change in the 'type of book' would be at the
Work level, which would mean that the pop up version of a story would be a
different work, and I'm not sure I would think of it at that level, e.g.:
Horton Hears a Who

http://www.amazon.com/Horton-Hears-Who-Dr-Seuss/dp/0394800788

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375841946/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=15
35523722
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0375841946/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=1
535523722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0394800788&pf_rd_m=AT
VPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1SAQA14BEM9500KM52VR>
&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0394800788&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0D
ER&pf_rd_r=1SAQA14BEM9500KM52VR

 

Or 'Tails', which appears to be available in hardcover and as a board book:

http://www.amazon.com/Tails-Matthew-Van-Fleet/dp/0152167730/ref=sr_1_7?s=boo
ks
<http://www.amazon.com/Tails-Matthew-Van-Fleet/dp/0152167730/ref=sr_1_7?s=bo
oks&ie=UTF8&qid=1368043414&sr=1-7&keywords=scented+books>
&ie=UTF8&qid=1368043414&sr=1-7&keywords=scented+books

 

But, you might have a point that some of these 'types' seem like different
expressions (Content Type: tactile image + Content Type: text), rather than
different manifestations (Base materials: Hardboard) or even both; so,
perhaps for some of these, I need to be thinking 'Content' and, in that
case, details would have to be in Nature of the Content, e.g., for Tails
(above)

 

Base materials: hardboard

Content Type: tactile image

Content Type: text

Nature of Content: Pull tabs, lift-able flaps, tufts of fur, and even a
scratch-and-sniff skunk tail

 

Perhaps we may not be able to get these actual terms nicely placed in the
RDA records, until more work is done on Vocabulary Mapping. I do feel that
the more standardized we can be in using vocabulary terms instead of
free-text, the better it will be.

 

Hmm, now I'm wondering whether these terms might not turn out to be Objects
(yet to be released) http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp14

 

Deborah

 

 

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Deborah Fritz

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From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Lapka, Francis
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:55 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like
"Board book" or "Scented book"

 

 

Why not:

 

RDA 6.3 Form of Work:  board book 

 

 

Francis

 

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Francis Lapka, Catalog Librarian

Yale Center for British Art, Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts

1080 Chapel Street, PO Box 208280, New Haven, CT  06520

203.432.9672francis.la...@yale.edu

 

 

 

 

 

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:36 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board
book" or "Scented book"

 

Does anyone know, which, if any, of the RDA elements for Physical Carriers
would be appropriate for this type of information:

 

Board book

Rag book

Bath book

Pop-up book

Touch-and-feel book

Scented book

Sound story book

Sticker book

Die-cut book (e.g., shaped like a shark)

 

Most of these terms are from ONIX, and there are others in the list below
that show up in AACR records now and then:

http://www.editeur.org/files/ONIX%20for%20books%20-%20code%20lists/ONIX_Book
Product_CodeLists_Issue_20.html

 

 

Under AACR we would simply have added this kind of thing as a 1.7B10
Physical Description Note (500), but I cannot see where to enter this type
of information as an RDA element (ignoring MARC for the time being)

 

3.6 Base Material is a possibility for: 

 

Board book: Base Material: hardboard (?)

Rag book: Base Material: textile

Bath book: Base Material: plastic

 


But I don't think those terms convey the information as well as the ONIX
terms.

 

3.6.1.4 Details of Base Material would allow us to make this more note-like,
e.g., On board pages shaped in profile of a bear (LCCN: 2009934889) ; but I
don't think 'Scented book' fits under Base material at all. 

 

The Extent of Text instructions  (3.4.5) are quite restrictive, with no
allowance for the kind of leeway allowed under other types of materials,
e.g., under 3.4.4.2 (Extent of Still Images)  "If none of the terms listed
above is appropriate, use a term designating the type of unit as concisely
as possible". So we cannot say "1 board book" we must say pagination, or "1
volume (unpaged)"

 

Re: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board book" or "Scented book"

[Lapka, Francis]

Why not:

RDA 6.3 Form of Work:  board book


Francis

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Francis Lapka, Catalog Librarian
Yale Center for British Art, Department of Rare Books and Manuscripts
1080 Chapel Street, PO Box 208280, New Haven, CT  06520
203.432.9672francis.la...@yale.edu





From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:36 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] What is the appropriate RDA element for a term like "Board 
book" or "Scented book"

Does anyone know, which, if any, of the RDA elements for Physical Carriers 
would be appropriate for this type of information:

Board book
Rag book
Bath book
Pop-up book
Touch-and-feel book
Scented book
Sound story book
Sticker book
Die-cut book (e.g., shaped like a shark)

Most of these terms are from ONIX, and there are others in the list below that 
show up in AACR records now and then:
http://www.editeur.org/files/ONIX%20for%20books%20-%20code%20lists/ONIX_BookProduct_CodeLists_Issue_20.html


Under AACR we would simply have added this kind of thing as a 1.7B10 Physical 
Description Note (500), but I cannot see where to enter this type of 
information as an RDA element (ignoring MARC for the time being)

3.6 Base Material is a possibility for:

Board book: Base Material: hardboard (?)
Rag book: Base Material: textile
Bath book: Base Material: plastic

But I don't think those terms convey the information as well as the ONIX terms.

3.6.1.4 Details of Base Material would allow us to make this more note-like, 
e.g., On board pages shaped in profile of a bear (LCCN: 2009934889) ; but I 
don't think 'Scented book' fits under Base material at all.

The Extent of Text instructions  (3.4.5) are quite restrictive, with no 
allowance for the kind of leeway allowed under other types of materials, e.g., 
under 3.4.4.2 (Extent of Still Images)  "If none of the terms listed above is 
appropriate, use a term designating the type of unit as concisely as possible". 
So we cannot say "1 board book" we must say pagination, or "1 volume (unpaged)"

In lieu of any other element, I'm leaning towards using 3.22.3 Note on Extent 
of Item:

Extent of Text: 1 volume (unpaged)
Note on Extent of Item: Board book

MARC:
300$a 1 volume (unpaged)
500$aBoard book.

Does this sound reasonable?

If we do not have an appropriate RDA element for these terms, then they, 
technically, do not belong in an RDA record, do they? And yet it seems a pity 
to not add this kind of information, if we can just figure out how this data 
fits into the RDA attributes/elements.

Deborah


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