Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread J. McRee Elrod 
Zore Breeding said:

>My only comment, and I am even less than a novice, is to ask whether it is =
>an RDA practice to use semicolons instead of commas between performers in t=
>he 511?
  
As in 245/$c, use commas between people who do the same thing, and
semicolons between people who do different things.  Thus a book's
245/$c author would be separated from illustrator by space semicolon
space, as would a film's writer from director in 508.  For films, most
in 511 are actors, so have commas.  But a music CD which lists players
with instruments, IMNSHO should have space semicolon space between
those playing different instruments.

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Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread Paradis Daniel 
There are a lot of ISBD examples in RDA. One only has to look at examples of 
structured descriptions in chapter 25-28 or to look at "resource described" 
notes under examples to find usage of ISBD punctuation. As John Hostage pointed 
out, the policy, explained in rule 0.10, is to use ISBD punctuation for such 
descriptions.

 

John is right that rule 0.10 only mentions certain circumstances where ISBD 
punctuation is used in RDA and the Performer, Narrator, and/or Presenter 
element might not be one of them, so I stand corrected on that point. However, 
I understand the LC-PCC PS for D.1 to mean that LC and PCC libraries will apply 
Appendix D in RDA cataloguing and therefore use ISBD display conventions and 
punctuation. Since the Performer, Narrator, and/or Presenter element is clearly 
mapped to the ISBD Note area in Appendix D, I would find it logical to apply, 
in bibliographic records created according to RDA and LC-PCC policy, the 
punctuation recommended in ISBD for notes on statements of responsibility.

 

Daniel Paradis

 

Bibliothécaire

Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales

Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec

 

2275, rue Holt

Montréal (Québec) H2G 3H1

Téléphone : 514 873-1101, poste 3721

Télécopieur : 514 873-7296

daniel.para...@banq.qc.ca

http://www.banq.qc.ca <http://www.banq.qc.ca/> 



De : Nancy Lorimer [mailto:nlori...@stanford.edu] 
Envoyé : 1 novembre 2012 11:37
À : Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
Cc : Paradis Daniel
Objet : Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

 

I disagree. RDA is format neutral; there is no reason why ISBD rules should be 
used within it. Appendix D covers the usage of RDA under ISBD, and that is 
where such rules should stay. RDA has no other examples in ISBD format. Why 
should we make an exception here?

Nancy Lorimer

On 11/1/2012 7:35 AM, Paradis Daniel wrote: 

My understanding is that there is indeed a contradiction between the examples 
and the practice recommended by ISBD. RDA examples should be given using ISBD 
punctuation. The consolidated edition of ISBD says that "within notes, it is 
recommended, where appropriate, that the prescribed punctuation of areas 1-6 be 
followed" (p. 199). Notes on performer, narrators and presenters are usually 
given in a format where the prescribed punctuation for statements of 
responsibility of area 1 would be appropriate. The prescribed punctuation is to 
precede each subsequent statement of responsibility by a space, semicolon, 
space (ISBD, p. 43). The examples of notes on statements of responsibility in 
rule 7.1.4 of ISBD, including a note on performers, follow the recommended 
prescribed punctuation. This punctuation is not mandatory but it would make 
sense that RDA illustrates the practice recommended by ISBD.

 

Daniel Paradis

 

Bibliothécaire

Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales

Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec

 

2275, rue Holt

Montréal (Québec) H2G 3H1

Téléphone : 514 873-1101, poste 3721

Télécopieur : 514 873-7296

daniel.para...@banq.qc.ca

http://www.banq.qc.ca <http://www.banq.qc.ca/> 



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[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] De la part de McRae, Rick
Envoyé : 1 novembre 2012 09:44
À : RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Objet : [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

 

Greetings:

I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in 7.23.1.3, 
"Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters" which are represented in 
the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed in Appendix D.1.2.1: "Precede 
each mark of prescribed punctuation by a space and follow it by a space.." The 
aforementioned examples clearly disregard this. 

 

I'm not losing sleep about this or anything, but it is a quandary of sorts, and 
it would be good to hear how others resolve this seemingly mixed message.

 

Thank you and best regards,

Rick McRae

Catalog / Reference Librarian

Sibley Music Library

Eastman School of Music

(585) 274-1370

 






-- 
Nancy Lorimer
Head, Music Technical Services
Stanford Music Library
nlori...@stanford.edu
650-725-8819

Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread Deborah Fritz 
I suspect that the spacing in this example is simply a carry-over from AACR
6.7B6, where the semicolons are, mysteriously, given without spacing. In
fact it is exactly the same example that is used in 7.23.1.3. 

 

So punctuating this particular piece of data has always been a pesky issue
that has come up repeatedly, and this might be a good time to get rid of it
once and for all. To eliminate confusion, perhaps this example could simply
be fast-tracked for editing, to illustrate the ISBD practice?

 

Deborah

 

-  - -

Deborah Fritz

TMQ, Inc.

 <mailto:debo...@marcofquality.com> debo...@marcofquality.com

 <http://www.marcofquality.com> www.marcofquality.com

 

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Paradis Daniel
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 3:36 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

 

My understanding is that there is indeed a contradiction between the
examples and the practice recommended by ISBD. RDA examples should be given
using ISBD punctuation. The consolidated edition of ISBD says that “within
notes, it is recommended, where appropriate, that the prescribed punctuation
of areas 1-6 be followed” (p. 199). Notes on performer, narrators and
presenters are usually given in a format where the prescribed punctuation
for statements of responsibility of area 1 would be appropriate. The
prescribed punctuation is to precede each subsequent statement of
responsibility by a space, semicolon, space (ISBD, p. 43). The examples of
notes on statements of responsibility in rule 7.1.4 of ISBD, including a
note on performers, follow the recommended prescribed punctuation. This
punctuation is not mandatory but it would make sense that RDA illustrates
the practice recommended by ISBD.

 

Daniel Paradis

 

Bibliothécaire

Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales

Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec

 

2275, rue Holt

Montréal (Québec) H2G 3H1

Téléphone : 514 873-1101, poste 3721

Télécopieur : 514 873-7296

daniel.para...@banq.qc.ca

http://www.banq.qc.ca <http://www.banq.qc.ca/> 

  _  

De : Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] De la part de McRae, Rick
Envoyé : 1 novembre 2012 09:44
À : RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Objet : [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

 

Greetings:

I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in
7.23.1.3, “Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters” which are
represented in the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed in Appendix
D.1.2.1: “Precede each mark of prescribed punctuation by a space and follow
it by a space..” The aforementioned examples clearly disregard this. 

 

I’m not losing sleep about this or anything, but it is a quandary of sorts,
and it would be good to hear how others resolve this seemingly mixed
message.

 

Thank you and best regards,

Rick McRae

Catalog / Reference Librarian

Sibley Music Library

Eastman School of Music

(585) 274-1370

Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread Joan Wang 
Me too. For AACR2 records, I use commas between performers in the 511, and
semicolons between elements in the 508 with space before and after
semicolons. So far I have not realized that RDA requires any changes in
punctuations.

Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Breeding, Zora  wrote:

> My only comment, and I am even less than a novice, is to ask whether it is
> an RDA practice to use semicolons instead of commas between performers in
> the 511?  I have only ever used commas.  I use semicolons between elements
> in the 508 creation/production credits.  What have I missed?
>
> ** **
>
> Zora Breeding
>
> Vanderbilt University
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *McRae, Rick
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:29 AM
> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> *Subject:* Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks to all who have responded thus far.
>
> As a RDA novice, following this discussion, while consulting the toolkit,
> related web resources and as many examples via OCLC as I can consult; it’s
> still rather on the confusing side, as you may imagine. My use of the term
> “mixed message” was a tad harsh, but having seen some RDA records with 511
> fields following ISBD and others not doing so, a question comes up: If I
> close up the space before a semicolon between performers, am I correctly
> interpreting an RDA dictate? Or am I exercising an option not to follow
> ISBD? On the other hand, if I keep a space open, am I incorrectly
> disregarding an RDA example? Or am I exercising the option to apply ISBD to
> 511 ?
>
> Thanks—
>
> Rick
>
> ** **
>
> Rick McRae
>
> Catalog / Reference Librarian
>
> Sibley Music Library
>
> Eastman School of Music
>
> (585) 274-1370
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA ] *On
> Behalf Of *McRae, Rick
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:44 AM
> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> *Subject:* [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes
>
> ** **
>
> Greetings:
>
> I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in
> 7.23.1.3, “Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters” which are
> represented in the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed in
> Appendix D.1.2.1: “Precede each mark of prescribed punctuation by a space
> and follow it by a space..” The aforementioned examples clearly disregard
> this. 
>
>  
>
> I’m not losing sleep about this or anything, but it is a quandary of
> sorts, and it would be good to hear how others resolve this seemingly mixed
> message.
>
> ** **
>
> Thank you and best regards,
>
> Rick McRae
>
> Catalog / Reference Librarian
>
> Sibley Music Library
>
> Eastman School of Music
>
> (585) 274-1370
>
> ** **
>



-- 
Joan Wang, Ph.D.
Cataloger -- CMC
Illinois Heartland Library System (Edwardsville Office)
6725 Goshen Road
Edwardsville, IL 62025
618.656.3216x409
618.656.9401Fax

Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread McRae, Rick 
My practice, and I assume several others here, is to separate with
commas only those who have like-functions:

e.g. Jane A., Joe B., violins; Paul C., viola.

Of course, your semicolon after "violins" may vary. J

Rick 

 

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[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Breeding, Zora
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 3:28 PM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

 

My only comment, and I am even less than a novice, is to ask whether it
is an RDA practice to use semicolons instead of commas between
performers in the 511?  I have only ever used commas.  I use semicolons
between elements in the 508 creation/production credits.  What have I
missed?

 

Zora Breeding

Vanderbilt University

 

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of McRae, Rick
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:29 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

 

Thanks to all who have responded thus far.

As a RDA novice, following this discussion, while consulting the
toolkit, related web resources and as many examples via OCLC as I can
consult; it's still rather on the confusing side, as you may imagine. My
use of the term "mixed message" was a tad harsh, but having seen some
RDA records with 511 fields following ISBD and others not doing so, a
question comes up: If I close up the space before a semicolon between
performers, am I correctly interpreting an RDA dictate? Or am I
exercising an option not to follow ISBD? On the other hand, if I keep a
space open, am I incorrectly disregarding an RDA example? Or am I
exercising the option to apply ISBD to 511 ?

Thanks-

Rick

 

Rick McRae

Catalog / Reference Librarian

Sibley Music Library

Eastman School of Music

(585) 274-1370

 

 

 

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of McRae, Rick
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:44 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

 

Greetings:

I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in
7.23.1.3, "Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters" which are
represented in the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed in
Appendix D.1.2.1: "Precede each mark of prescribed punctuation by a
space and follow it by a space.." The aforementioned examples clearly
disregard this. 

 

I'm not losing sleep about this or anything, but it is a quandary of
sorts, and it would be good to hear how others resolve this seemingly
mixed message.

 

Thank you and best regards,

Rick McRae

Catalog / Reference Librarian

Sibley Music Library

Eastman School of Music

(585) 274-1370

Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread Breeding, Zora 
My only comment, and I am even less than a novice, is to ask whether it is an 
RDA practice to use semicolons instead of commas between performers in the 511? 
 I have only ever used commas.  I use semicolons between elements in the 508 
creation/production credits.  What have I missed?

Zora Breeding
Vanderbilt University

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of McRae, Rick
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 11:29 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

Thanks to all who have responded thus far.
As a RDA novice, following this discussion, while consulting the toolkit, 
related web resources and as many examples via OCLC as I can consult; it's 
still rather on the confusing side, as you may imagine. My use of the term 
"mixed message" was a tad harsh, but having seen some RDA records with 511 
fields following ISBD and others not doing so, a question comes up: If I close 
up the space before a semicolon between performers, am I correctly interpreting 
an RDA dictate? Or am I exercising an option not to follow ISBD? On the other 
hand, if I keep a space open, am I incorrectly disregarding an RDA example? Or 
am I exercising the option to apply ISBD to 511 ?
Thanks-
Rick

Rick McRae
Catalog / Reference Librarian
Sibley Music Library
Eastman School of Music
(585) 274-1370



From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of McRae, Rick
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:44 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA>
Subject: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

Greetings:
I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in 7.23.1.3, 
"Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters" which are represented in 
the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed in Appendix D.1.2.1: "Precede 
each mark of prescribed punctuation by a space and follow it by a space.." The 
aforementioned examples clearly disregard this.

I'm not losing sleep about this or anything, but it is a quandary of sorts, and 
it would be good to hear how others resolve this seemingly mixed message.

Thank you and best regards,
Rick McRae
Catalog / Reference Librarian
Sibley Music Library
Eastman School of Music
(585) 274-1370

Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread J. McRee Elrod 
Rick McRae asked:

>... if I keep a >space open, am I incorrectly disregarding an RDA
>example? Or am I exercising the option to apply ISBD to 511 ?

While I tend to catalogue by example, especially MARC21 examples, we
are oft told not to catalogue by example.

I would say that if you restore or keep the space before the
semicolon, you are "exercising the option to apply ISBD" to the whole
record.

RDA has so many options, it can be said to dictate very little, apart
from choice of "preferred entry".  I suspect most of us will be
creating records following LC (and LAC in Canada) records as examples. 
 
Where LC/LAC depart from ISBD, SLC will not, both for current
consistency, and for integration with legacy records.


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  {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
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Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread Cary Isley 
I am a RDA novice, as well, and find this discussion illustrative. My
understanding is that RDA was written (in part) to facilitate atomicity of
data and for use in databases that can fully exploit data relationships.
This is the rationale for format neutrality, the assumption being that in a
fully implemented atomic data/relational Db encoding schema, issues like
punctuation can be handled by display. RDA's format neutrality makes sense
when we are contemplating a non-MARC encoding environment (as I presume the
authors of RDA have been and are presently contemplating). From the
standpoint of encoding in MARC, however, it makes much less sense, since
MARC functions much more like a mark-up language than a relational database
language, and punctuation is central to way the semantics of various fields
work. For the near future, while we are all still working in MARC,
providing examples of data entry in the Toolkit for various RDA elements
using punctuation that does not conform to the standard (ISBD) adopted by
the cataloging community will only generate confusion, particularly for
those new to cataloging.

Cary T. Isley
Catalog & Metadata Librarian
Tulsa Community College

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:29 AM, McRae, Rick wrote:

> Thanks to all who have responded thus far.
>
> As a RDA novice, following this discussion, while consulting the toolkit,
> related web resources and as many examples via OCLC as I can consult; it’s
> still rather on the confusing side, as you may imagine. My use of the term
> “mixed message” was a tad harsh, but having seen some RDA records with 511
> fields following ISBD and others not doing so, a question comes up: If I
> close up the space before a semicolon between performers, am I correctly
> interpreting an RDA dictate? Or am I exercising an option not to follow
> ISBD? On the other hand, if I keep a space open, am I incorrectly
> disregarding an RDA example? Or am I exercising the option to apply ISBD to
> 511 ?
>
> Thanks—
>
> Rick
>
> ** **
>
> Rick McRae
>
> Catalog / Reference Librarian
>
> Sibley Music Library
>
> Eastman School of Music
>
> (585) 274-1370
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *McRae, Rick
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:44 AM
> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
> *Subject:* [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes
>
> ** **
>
> Greetings:
>
> I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in
> 7.23.1.3, “Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters” which are
> represented in the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed in
> Appendix D.1.2.1: “Precede each mark of prescribed punctuation by a space
> and follow it by a space..” The aforementioned examples clearly disregard
> this. 
>
>  
>
> I’m not losing sleep about this or anything, but it is a quandary of
> sorts, and it would be good to hear how others resolve this seemingly mixed
> message.
>
> ** **
>
> Thank you and best regards,
>
> Rick McRae
>
> Catalog / Reference Librarian
>
> Sibley Music Library
>
> Eastman School of Music
>
> (585) 274-1370
>
> ** **
>

Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread McRae, Rick 
Thanks to all who have responded thus far.

As a RDA novice, following this discussion, while consulting the
toolkit, related web resources and as many examples via OCLC as I can
consult; it's still rather on the confusing side, as you may imagine. My
use of the term "mixed message" was a tad harsh, but having seen some
RDA records with 511 fields following ISBD and others not doing so, a
question comes up: If I close up the space before a semicolon between
performers, am I correctly interpreting an RDA dictate? Or am I
exercising an option not to follow ISBD? On the other hand, if I keep a
space open, am I incorrectly disregarding an RDA example? Or am I
exercising the option to apply ISBD to 511 ?

Thanks-

Rick

 

Rick McRae

Catalog / Reference Librarian

Sibley Music Library

Eastman School of Music

(585) 274-1370

 

 

 

From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of McRae, Rick
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:44 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

 

Greetings:

I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in
7.23.1.3, "Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters" which are
represented in the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed in
Appendix D.1.2.1: "Precede each mark of prescribed punctuation by a
space and follow it by a space.." The aforementioned examples clearly
disregard this. 

 

I'm not losing sleep about this or anything, but it is a quandary of
sorts, and it would be good to hear how others resolve this seemingly
mixed message.

 

Thank you and best regards,

Rick McRae

Catalog / Reference Librarian

Sibley Music Library

Eastman School of Music

(585) 274-1370

Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread J. McRee Elrod 
Rick McRae said:

>I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in
>7.23.1.3, "Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters" which are
>represented in the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed in
>Appendix D.1.2.1: "Precede each mark of prescribed punctuation by a
>space and follow it by a space.." 

I agree with Daniel Paradis, as opposed to the two Johns, that if one
is using ISBD, the ISBD directions for space semicolon space should
apply to notes.  Just as we fall back on the _Chicago Manual of Style_
where rules fail us, so too we should refer to the ISBDs.

The problem from my point of view is that RDA acceptance of captured
data as is, even in 245, destroys consistency.  At least we should
have consistency in RDA examples as preferred practice.


   __   __   J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
  {__  |   / Special Libraries Cataloguing   HTTP://www.slc.bc.ca/
  ___} |__ \__

Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread Nancy Lorimer 
I disagree. RDA is format neutral; there is no reason why ISBD rules 
should be used within it. Appendix D covers the usage of RDA under ISBD, 
and that is where such rules should stay. RDA has no other examples in 
ISBD format. Why should we make an exception here?


Nancy Lorimer

On 11/1/2012 7:35 AM, Paradis Daniel wrote:


My understanding is that there is indeed a contradiction between the 
examples and the practice recommended by ISBD. RDA examples should be 
given using ISBD punctuation. The consolidated edition of ISBD says 
that "within notes, it is recommended, where appropriate, that the 
prescribed punctuation of areas 1-6 be followed" (p. 199). Notes on 
performer, narrators and presenters are usually given in a format 
where the prescribed punctuation for statements of responsibility of 
area 1 would be appropriate. The prescribed punctuation is to precede 
each subsequent statement of responsibility by a space, semicolon, 
space (ISBD, p. 43). The examples of notes on statements of 
responsibility in rule 7.1.4 of ISBD, including a note on performers, 
follow the recommended prescribed punctuation. This punctuation is not 
mandatory but it would make sense that RDA illustrates the practice 
recommended by ISBD.


Daniel Paradis

Bibliothécaire

Direction du traitement documentaire des collections patrimoniales

Bibliothèque et Archives nationales du Québec

2275, rue Holt

Montréal (Québec) H2G 3H1

Téléphone : 514 873-1101, poste 3721

Télécopieur : 514 873-7296

daniel.para...@banq.qc.ca 

http://www.banq.qc.ca 



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Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] *De la part de* McRae, Rick

*Envoyé :* 1 novembre 2012 09:44
*À :* RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
*Objet :* [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

Greetings:

I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in 
7.23.1.3, "Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters" which 
are represented in the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed 
in Appendix D.1.2.1: "Precede each mark of prescribed punctuation by a 
space and follow it by a space.." The aforementioned examples clearly 
disregard this.


I'm not losing sleep about this or anything, but it is a quandary of 
sorts, and it would be good to hear how others resolve this seemingly 
mixed message.


Thank you and best regards,

Rick McRae

Catalog / Reference Librarian

Sibley Music Library

EastmanSchoolof Music

(585) 274-1370




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Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread Paradis Daniel 
My understanding is that there is indeed a contradiction between the examples 
and the practice recommended by ISBD. RDA examples should be given using ISBD 
punctuation. The consolidated edition of ISBD says that "within notes, it is 
recommended, where appropriate, that the prescribed punctuation of areas 1-6 be 
followed" (p. 199). Notes on performer, narrators and presenters are usually 
given in a format where the prescribed punctuation for statements of 
responsibility of area 1 would be appropriate. The prescribed punctuation is to 
precede each subsequent statement of responsibility by a space, semicolon, 
space (ISBD, p. 43). The examples of notes on statements of responsibility in 
rule 7.1.4 of ISBD, including a note on performers, follow the recommended 
prescribed punctuation. This punctuation is not mandatory but it would make 
sense that RDA illustrates the practice recommended by ISBD.

 

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[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] De la part de McRae, Rick
Envoyé : 1 novembre 2012 09:44
À : RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Objet : [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

 

Greetings:

I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in 7.23.1.3, 
"Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters" which are represented in 
the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed in Appendix D.1.2.1: "Precede 
each mark of prescribed punctuation by a space and follow it by a space.." The 
aforementioned examples clearly disregard this. 

 

I'm not losing sleep about this or anything, but it is a quandary of sorts, and 
it would be good to hear how others resolve this seemingly mixed message.

 

Thank you and best regards,

Rick McRae

Catalog / Reference Librarian

Sibley Music Library

Eastman School of Music

(585) 274-1370

Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread John Hostage 
I don't see where the contradiction is.  Appendix D is optional and is not 
applied in the examples, except as noted in 0.10.  Also, a note is one element, 
so it doesn't need internal prescribed punctuation, even though the ISBD itself 
does use spaces before semicolons, etc., in such notes.  That may be a case of 
when you have a hammer in your hand, everything looks like a nail.

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Subject: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

Greetings:
I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in 7.23.1.3, 
"Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters" which are represented in 
the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed in Appendix D.1.2.1: "Precede 
each mark of prescribed punctuation by a space and follow it by a space.." The 
aforementioned examples clearly disregard this.

I'm not losing sleep about this or anything, but it is a quandary of sorts, and 
it would be good to hear how others resolve this seemingly mixed message.

Thank you and best regards,
Rick McRae
Catalog / Reference Librarian
Sibley Music Library
Eastman School of Music
(585) 274-1370

Re: [RDA-L] punctuation in 511 notes

2012-11-01 Thread Myers, John F. 
See AACR2  1.7A1 for prescribed punctuation in notes, which is largely 
reproduced at RDA D.1.2.8.  In brief though,semi-colons internal to notes  are 
not prescribed, but are merely grammatical.

John F. Myers, Catalog Librarian
Schaffer Library, Union College
Schenectady NY 12308

mye...@union.edu
518-388-6623

Rick McRae wrote:
I wonder if the apparent contradiction between the examples found in 7.23.1.3, 
"Recording Performers, Narrators and/or Presenters" which are represented in 
the 511 field, and the punctuation rule expressed in Appendix D.1.2.1: "Precede 
each mark of prescribed punctuation by a space and follow it by a space.." The 
aforementioned examples clearly disregard this.