[REBOL] Re: REBOL/Eye - was: Introducing REBOL/Base - FAQ

[Anton]

Yeah, I like Glance better than Eye.
Eye is shorter, though...

Anton.

> > How about REBOL/Eye, sort of... "one-eyed view",
> > as opposed to the stero vision we have with the
> > full view.
> > 
> 
> How about REBOL/Glance ?   A Quick View? :-)
> 
> James.

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[REBOL] Re: Introducing REBOL/Base - FAQ

[Laurence Giddings]

On Sunday, Sep 29, 2002, at 07:31 Australia/Melbourne, Carl at REBOL 
wrote:
>
> Q: Does /Base include graphics functions?
>
> A: No. But, there will be a similar version of REBOL/View (as of yet 
> unnamed, got any ideas?).

REBOL/Baseview might be a good name.
it would certainly identify/associate the minimalist functionality of 
the two code sets,
to avoid confusion.


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[REBOL] Re: REBOL/Eye - was: Introducing REBOL/Base - FAQ

[James Marsden]

> How about REBOL/Eye, sort of... "one-eyed view",
> as opposed to the stero vision we have with the
> full view.
> 

How about REBOL/Glance ?   A Quick View? :-)

James.

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[REBOL] Re: Newbie: Help with image buttons (View)

[Anton]

Matthew Kim,

Show us at least the error message.

If you don't want to also show us the code,
I recommend diagnosing the error by
printing some debug info in your process_msg function:

process_msg: func [var1 var2][
?? var1
?? var2
...
]

Run the program again to see the values of var1
and var2.
Then you can play around with foreach in the
console, using the values for var1 and var2 that
you saw.

Anton.

> Currently the entire program is structured as follows:
> 
> 
> process_msg: func [var1 var2][
>   ...
>   foreach... [
>   if/else ... [
>   ...
>   ]
>   ]
> 
>   return x
> ]
> 
> layers: func [var1 var2][
>   ...
>   return x
> ]
> 
> cellphone: layout [
>   ...
>   image left_button [
>   output1: layers var1 var2
>   ...
>   if flag == 1 [
>   output2: process_msg var1 var2
>   ]
>   ]
>   ...
> ]
> 
> view cellphone
> 
> ~
> 
> With "flag = 0", everything seems to work fine. 
> 
> When the flag is changed to "1", the error arises when the "foreach"
> loop within the "process_msg" function is called.

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[REBOL] Re: Converting Word .DOC and .PDF to text files

[Brett Handley]

> I want to create a document management solution and I
> believe most documents will be in word format so that
> should be the top choice.
>
> I could also store the documents in a neutral format
> apart from the native formats. Any ideas ?

Your requirements dictate the solution I guess. Obviously the solution must
work now, but give a thought to the future. Question why that particular
format or is that just the assumed choice. User training and experience with
Word is a powerful decider, but if the information must be organised and
further processed then maybe you have a case for a more meaningful (as in
computer processable) format.

Brett.

 --- Brett Handley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> Jose,
>
> Do you have a choice between using .DOC and .PDF or
> is it that you must be
> able to extract from both?
>
> If a choice, can you use another format instead?
>
> Brett.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "jose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:59 AM
> Subject: [REBOL] Re: Converting Word .DOC and .PDF
> to text files
>
>
> Thanks. This is the advice I need.
>
> I'll probably be better off using wvware library
>
> I hope word is easier than PDF !
>
>  --- Gabriele Santilli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> escribió: > Hi jose,
> >
> > On Thursday, September 26, 2002, 6:21:10 PM, you
> > wrote:
> >
> > j> I want to get the text of any arbitrary PDF
> file.
> > Is
> > j> there a spec I can look at ?
> >
> > On  the Adobe web site you'll find the full
> > specifications for the
> > PDF  format. I can send it to you, if you don't
> want
> > to search for
> > it. However, as I said, parsing a PDF file is
> harder
> > than creating
> > one,   because   you'll   have  to  deal  with
> all
> > possibilities
> > (compression,  encryption,  linearized format...);
> > of course, this
> > does not mean it is impossible.
> >
> > Regards,
> >Gabriele.
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[REBOL] Re: Teaching Rebol => was:{Re: Re: Parsing comment}

[Carl Read]

On 29-Sep-02, Tim Johnson wrote:

>> Well, I was thinking of it being just another script the kids would
>> run on the computers they were using so they could test any CGI
>> they did themselves by looking at it with a browser. I wrote such a
>> script so I can test the CGI I do locally before sticking it on a
>> "real" server. I just have two REBOL consoles open, one for the
>> server and one for the script I'm working on.
> 
>  Ahh... talking about a simple socket server.. 

I guess - I'm no expert on servers or the Net.  But I'd see it as a
safe place for kids to develope CGI scripts.  Then, if they wanted
them put on the Web, that could be your job - to vet the scripts and
do the uploading.

>> Girls ain't dumb. (;
>> 
> You're preaching to the converted ... Grace Hopper (Admiral Grace
> Hopper
> at that) developed COBOL, and my niece Jessica interned at RT two
> years ago Besides I married one

And none have married me.  As I said... (;

>> If you were trying to attract kids to writing as a profession,
>> would you bring in writers of fiction or writers of car manuals or
>> adverts as examples? In other words, would you chose a writer of
>> accounting software over a games programmer to inspire the kids?

>  I'd take what I could get in this limited area  and I show
> them
>  some of my CGI sites built with rebol. We are inviting them to
>  download 'view to play with, and maybe there's some rebol/view
>  scripts online for them to run?

Try rebsearch to search what's available on the Reb...

do http://proton.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/REBOL/rebsearch.r

or you can get to it from the FX5 site via the Desktop.  (Though I'm
getting a timeout with it at the moment - hopefully it's still
there...)

Not sure which scripts to suggest.  (No bookmarks with the Desktop, so
they don't get bookmarked...)  I just launch the Desktop every so
often and have a look at what's in the Sites' folder - and check out
any sites I don't think I've seen before.  Often there's not much in
a site, (some seem just to be place-keepers), but many have quite a
lot of scripts in.  Run them and if you like them, look at the
scripts.  I'm terrible at remembering the names of sites, so to be
fair I won't mention the one or two I know have good stuff in. (; 
Just go exploring...

On second thoughts, let's throw this open to the rest on the list. 
Which are the Rebsites you'd recomend people?

> We are going beyond the school district here... I'm
> disheartened
> to report that the Human Services profession here is very
> anti-technology 

Lots are anti-technology.  Having to deal with technology is like
having to be a mechanic or electrician - ideally you pay someone else
to do that kind of stuff.  But computer-literacy to my mind means
being able use /and/ write programs, same as you expect the literate
to be able to both read and write.  The trouble is, something badly
written doesn't crash, so lots of badly written prose gets put out
without it causing too much harm.  A badly written program becomes
very obvious to everyone very soon though, and probably to the
programmer before anyone else sees it.  So technology's a very harsh
judge, hence people's dislike of it.

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[REBOL] REBOL/Eye - was: Introducing REBOL/Base - FAQ

[Anton]

How about REBOL/Eye, sort of... "one-eyed view",
as opposed to the stero vision we have with the
full view.

Anton.

> Q: Does /Base include graphics functions?
> 
> A: No. But, there will be a similar version of REBOL/View (as of 
> yet unnamed, got any ideas?).

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[REBOL] Re: Introducing REBOL/Base - FAQ

[Brett Handley]

> For those of you who are interested in trying new REBOL kernels... here's
something to test out. It's the Alpha release of REBOL/Base.

Thanks Carl!

> A: REBOL/Base is a reduction of REBOL/Core trimmed down to the essential
native and mezzanine functions and schemes. All protocols, help information,
and functions are stripped, but can be added back on an individual basis.

A few unsets have been trimmed too.

> A: REBOL/Base is designed for developers who want to create minimal REBOL
environments and precisely control what functions they initialize. For
instance, if you only need SMTP or HTTP, why take the time and space to boot
all the other protocols?

An excellent idea.

On my very specific measure of start up time, it takes roughly half the time
of Core which takes half the time View.

Regards,
Brett

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[REBOL] Re: Introducing REBOL/Base - FAQ

[Charles]

> Q: Why would REBOL Tech build such a thing?
   I smell "Dr. Strangelove" in that question ;)
   Sorry.  Feel free to return to topic.
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[REBOL] Re: Teaching Rebol => was:{Re: Re: Parsing comment}

[Tim Johnson]

> Tim wrote:
> >   We are going beyond the school district here... I'm disheartened
> > to report that the Human Services profession here is very anti-
> > technology and has turned down many opportunities for tekkies to
> > help them.
> > Example: We have a very high suicide rate among teen-agers here,
> > and when several of us local programmers offered to build software
> > to help crisis line staffers, we got no takers ... just one
> > sad example
> >   
> 
* Andrew Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> For the local high school where I work in the school term (Y9 - Y13, 13 - 18
> year pupils), I'll be installing a "Worry Web Site", which will be my
> Rebol/Wiki (once I've got it's subdirectories working consistently well). I
> got the idea from a NZ teenagers book, where the computer literate maths
> teacher set up a Wiki-like software to assist students by providing a space
> for anonymous cries for help, with a place for other students and
> counsellors to respond. I'm lucky to have computer literate principal who
> can see clear virtues for teachers and students, as well as money making
> opportunities!
> 
> One really has to show schools how new software will save them money (or
> even make them money!) and enable them to meet the legal obligations, and
> assist teachers, parents, students.
>

Here it is more than that I think. Money is only part of the issue.
Another part is a sort of mindset that thinks of information technology
in very narrow boundaries. 
Those conceptual boundaries must expand and the administrators have 
to feel comfortable about the legal and control issues. 

But Andrew's concept is similar to something that
I (along with Elan Goldman) attempted to provide for a "Services to
Young and Pregnant Women" department in a local non-profit. The
project was reject with prejudice, the department failed to get
funding and it was closed. 

With a well-received technological aid
similar in part to what Andrew is discussing, the department may
have attracted funding. A similar system I put together here 
attracted $125,000 in grant monies.

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[REBOL] Re: Introducing REBOL/Base - FAQ

[Tim Johnson]

Hello All:
* Carl Read <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020928 14:52]:
> On 29-Sep-02, Carl at REBOL wrote:
> 
> > A: The idea of a REBOL subset is new and contrary to our rule that
> > REBOL executables must include everything. We want to see what
> > developers think of this idea.
> 
> Of the top of my head, I think this is a very good idea.  Smaller and
> faster will always have a place.
 
  Amen to Carl R. Now I know that Carl S. has a fantastic vision
  in rebol (and rebol is his baby and his creation). But as a programmer,
  who is interested in interoperability and who has partners who
  aren't that interested in the rebol vision, the concept of 
  a lightweight interpreter has great merit with me and being
  interoperable with a minumum of fuss with things like MySQL,TK,
  gzip protocols, etc will have great merit with my partners.

  I'm not certain what that contrarian vision of a "rebol" subset
  would be, but from my isolated perch at the top of the world,
  those further south of me are saying that small devices will
  grow in implementation. Does that constitute a place for a
  "subset" of rebol?

  Here's a thought that occurs to me: My partner programs in perl.
  He's followed my interest in rebol and is of the opinion that rebol's
  built-in tcp has some merit in comparison to the external perl
  modules. I think that he would find some appeal in a rebol "subset"
  that would handle some of his tcp needs if the interface was
  simple. That way he wouldn't have to learn rebol...

  And he has seen what rebol sockets can do with MySQL thanks
  to DocKimbel.

> > Q: Does /Base include graphics functions?
> 
> > A: No. But, there will be a similar version of REBOL/View (as of yet
> > unnamed, got any ideas?).
> 
> REBOL/RGB - the base colors?
> 
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[REBOL] Re: Teaching Rebol => was:{Re: Re: Parsing comment}

[Andrew Martin]

Tim wrote:
>   We are going beyond the school district here... I'm disheartened
> to report that the Human Services profession here is very anti-
> technology and has turned down many opportunities for tekkies to
> help them.
> Example: We have a very high suicide rate among teen-agers here,
> and when several of us local programmers offered to build software
> to help crisis line staffers, we got no takers ... just one
> sad example
>   

For the local high school where I work in the school term (Y9 - Y13, 13 - 18
year pupils), I'll be installing a "Worry Web Site", which will be my
Rebol/Wiki (once I've got it's subdirectories working consistently well). I
got the idea from a NZ teenagers book, where the computer literate maths
teacher set up a Wiki-like software to assist students by providing a space
for anonymous cries for help, with a place for other students and
counsellors to respond. I'm lucky to have computer literate principal who
can see clear virtues for teachers and students, as well as money making
opportunities!

One really has to show schools how new software will save them money (or
even make them money!) and enable them to meet the legal obligations, and
assist teachers, parents, students.

Andrew Martin
ICQ: 26227169 http://valley.150m.com/
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[REBOL] Re: Teaching Rebol => was:{Re: Re: Parsing comment}

[Tim Johnson]

* Carl Read <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020928 13:52]:
> 
> Well, I was thinking of it being just another script the kids would
> run on the computers they were using so they could test any CGI they
> did themselves by looking at it with a browser.  I wrote such a
> script so I can test the CGI I do locally before sticking it on a
> "real" server.  I just have two REBOL consoles open, one for the
> server and one for the script I'm working on.
 
  Ahh... talking about a simple socket server.. 
 
> >  I beg to differ, even eight graders get that one,
> 
> And I still don't know how old an eight (eighth?) grader would be. 
> This is one area where numbers win out over words in an international
> forum Tim. (:
 
  Sorry: Eighth grade is middle school - the eight of 12 grades
  and would precede freshmen high school. 13 - 14 years of age or so
> 
> Girls ain't dumb. (;
> 
 You're preaching to the converted ... Grace Hopper (Admiral Grace Hopper
 at that) developed COBOL, and my niece Jessica interned at RT two
 years ago Besides I married one
 
> If you were trying to attract kids to writing as a profession, would
> you bring in writers of fiction or writers of car manuals or adverts
> as examples?  In other words, would you chose a writer of accounting
> software over a games programmer to inspire the kids?

  I'd take what I could get in this limited area  and I show them
  some of my CGI sites built with rebol. We are inviting them to
  download 'view to play with, and maybe there's some rebol/view
  scripts online for them to run?
  
> >  For those of you reading this, Carl took part in a mailing list
> >  that was set up for this class a year ago. It was terribly dead,
> 
> Yes - it didn't really get started.  It would really need at least two
> enthusastic posters amongst the students to start the ball rolling I
> think, but that didn't happen.
 
  Yeah, couldn't even get a good argument going

> >  we are trying a chat room now, but it will be staffed by the
> >  teacher of record and myself only one hour a week  and
> >  paranoid school sysops aren't letting anyone else in (so far).
> 
> I'm wondering if the reason you only got an Australian and a New
> Zealander as the REBOL "mentors" had anything to do with the less
> litigious nature of Downunder culture?  I can imagine those in the US
> and probably elsewhere not considering it worth the risk to get
> involved.  Sad.  Do kids think lawyers are sexy by any chance?
 
  We are going beyond the school district here... I'm disheartened
to report that the Human Services profession here is very anti-
technology and has turned down many opportunities for tekkies to
help them. 
Example: We have a very high suicide rate among teen-agers here,
and when several of us local programmers offered to build software
to help crisis line staffers, we got no takers ... just one
sad example
  

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[REBOL] Re: Introducing REBOL/Base - FAQ

[Carl Read]

On 29-Sep-02, Carl at REBOL wrote:

> A: The idea of a REBOL subset is new and contrary to our rule that
> REBOL executables must include everything. We want to see what
> developers think of this idea.

Of the top of my head, I think this is a very good idea.  Smaller and
faster will always have a place.

> Q: Does /Base include graphics functions?

> A: No. But, there will be a similar version of REBOL/View (as of yet
> unnamed, got any ideas?).

REBOL/RGB - the base colors?

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[REBOL] Re: bitset help

[Carl Read]

On 29-Sep-02, Romano Paolo Tenca wrote:
> Hi, Brett

>> > That reverse will not fail on different system?
>> > (big-endian/little endian)

>> Another good point. I'm using Win NT 4.0 on Intel. What happens on
>> other
>> systems?

> No one with Rebol running on Amiga?

Thought I could safely avoid this thread, but it seems not. (; On a
32Meg Amiga...

>> r: make bitset! 1024 * 1024 * 768
** Script Error: Not enough memory
** Near: r: make bitset! 1024 *
>> r: make bitset! 1024 * 1024  
== make bitset! #{

000...
>> r: make bitset! 1024 * 1024 * 256
** Script Error: Not enough memory
** Near: r: make bitset! 1024 *
>> r: make bitset! 1024 * 1024 * 2  
== make bitset! #{

000...
>> r: make bitset! 1024 * 1024 * 4
== make bitset! #{

000...
>> r: make bitset! 1024 * 1024 * 8
== make bitset! #{

000...
>> r: make bitset! 1024 * 1024 * 16
== make bitset! #{

000...
>> r: make bitset! 1024 * 1024 * 32
== ** Script Error: Not enough memory
** Near: ** CRASH (Should not happen) - Corrupt datatype: 120
View failed returncode 100

Happy now? (:

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[REBOL] Introducing REBOL/Base - FAQ

[Carl at REBOL]

For those of you who are interested in trying new REBOL kernels... here's something to 
test out. It's the Alpha release of REBOL/Base.

Q: What is REBOL/Base?

A: REBOL/Base is a reduction of REBOL/Core trimmed down to the essential native and 
mezzanine functions and schemes. All protocols, help information, and functions are 
stripped, but can be added back on an individual basis.

Q: Why would REBOL Tech build such a thing?

A: REBOL/Base is designed for developers who want to create minimal REBOL environments 
and precisely control what functions they initialize. For instance, if you only need 
SMTP or HTTP, why take the time and space to boot all the other protocols?

Q: Why are we releasing an Alpha test version?

A: The idea of a REBOL subset is new and contrary to our rule that REBOL executables 
must include everything. We want to see what developers think of this idea.

Q: Does REBOL/Base startup faster?

A: Yes, because it has fewer mezzanine functions and schemes, it starts faster (good 
for stuff like CGI, etc.).

Q: Does it take less memory?

A: Yes, if you RECYCLE after booting, then type STATS you'll see that it takes about 
0.578 MB.  Most of this space is used by internal buffers, function spec blocks, 
critical mezz functions, and the word table.  The executable file is 235 KB.

Q: Does /Base include graphics functions?

A: No. But, there will be a similar version of REBOL/View (as of yet unnamed, got any 
ideas?).

Q: How can I see what's in it?

A: Open REBOL/Core and type SOURCE WHAT. Cut and paste it into the REBOL/Base console, 
and type WHAT.

Q: Where do I get source code for the missing modules, such as the TCP protocols?

A: Currently, you can obtain the source from other versions of REBOL, although that 
may not be optimal in many cases. Later this Fall (2002) we will be announcing another 
product to help answer this question. But, that's all we can say right now.

Q: Can I create stand alone executables with it?

A: No. For that you need to purchase REBOL/Encap that includes /Base. All developers 
who have purchased Encap within the last 6 months will receive a free upgrade, 
including several new tools and modules.

Q: Does REBOL/Base have any other changes?

A: Other changes are related to boot memory usage. In addition, the STATS function now 
accurately reports REBOL memory in use, and MOLD now has a /FLAT refinement that 
removes indentation (handy for smaller messaging and encapsulation).

Q: Why does it boot with a version of 2.6.0?

A: To keep existing scripts that check the version number from stopping.

Q: Where can I download REBOL/Base?

A: If you agree to abide by the /Core license, you can download the /Base Alpha 
version from http://www.reboltech.com/downloads/ If you do not agree, then do not 
download it.

Q: Where do I report bugs?

A: http://www.rebol.com/feedback.html - please make a note that you are using 
REBOL/Base.

Submit any other questions to http://www.rebol.com/feedback.html.

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[REBOL] Re: Teaching Rebol => was:{Re: Re: Parsing comment}

[Carl Read]

On 29-Sep-02, Tim Johnson wrote:

>> > What I would like to do is develop a scheme where even the
>> > starting students could render in CGI as well as the command
>> > line

>> That would be a good approach. Wouldn't a local server on the
>> students' machine be one way of doing this? It could be one written
>> in REBOL so you'd have control of what it could and couldn't do.
> 
>  The problem is infrastructure and the attitude of systems
> adminstrators, trying to solve that  story!

Well, I was thinking of it being just another script the kids would
run on the computers they were using so they could test any CGI they
did themselves by looking at it with a browser.  I wrote such a
script so I can test the CGI I do locally before sticking it on a
"real" server.  I just have two REBOL consoles open, one for the
server and one for the script I'm working on.

>> (Until the kids hacked it;)

>  I only wish they could ...

(:

>>> about my son-in-law who makes over a hundred grand a year for
>>> working 20 hours average a week. Who's treated like a god by his
>>> contractees, who wouldn't give Eminem, Steven Seagal or Michael
>>> Jordan a second look. That gets their attention... ;-)
>> 
>> I can see that working with older students who're having to start
>> thinking about future employment, but I can't see it being much
>> motivation for kids under 14 or so.
> 
>  I beg to differ, even eight graders get that one,

And I still don't know how old an eight (eighth?) grader would be. 
This is one area where numbers win out over words in an international
forum Tim. (:

>   we need good
>  looking programmers and techies of both genders coming in to
>  talk to kids here. Girls especially are infected with this
>  weird idea that being into computers is very unsexy

Girls ain't dumb. (;

If you were trying to attract kids to writing as a profession, would
you bring in writers of fiction or writers of car manuals or adverts
as examples?  In other words, would you chose a writer of accounting
software over a games programmer to inspire the kids?

>> I'd think it'd need tutors online 24/7 to be really effective, plus
>> instant messaging and the ability to share desktops.  Tutors online
>> 24/7 is the hard part there I would think.
> 
>  For those of you reading this, Carl took part in a mailing list
>  that was set up for this class a year ago. It was terribly dead,

Yes - it didn't really get started.  It would really need at least two
enthusastic posters amongst the students to start the ball rolling I
think, but that didn't happen.

>  we are trying a chat room now, but it will be staffed by the
>  teacher of record and myself only one hour a week  and
>  paranoid school sysops aren't letting anyone else in (so far).

I'm wondering if the reason you only got an Australian and a New
Zealander as the REBOL "mentors" had anything to do with the less
litigious nature of Downunder culture?  I can imagine those in the US
and probably elsewhere not considering it worth the risk to get
involved.  Sad.  Do kids think lawyers are sexy by any chance?

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[REBOL] Re: Wanted: a Libmaster - and a FAQ posse

[Graham Chiu]

hi Ed,

In case you need some more questions/answers, I have a core faq and vid faq
on vidwiki, though I haven't been too diligent at adding to it.

Like most things Rebol, we all work in isolation.

rebsites/compkarori2/vidwiki

or

ios/developer/users/graham/vidwiki


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Date: 09-28-02 19:48

In this vein, I've amassed roughly 1000 questions from
messages on this list and other language FAQs.

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[REBOL] Re: what's happened to RIDE?

[Brice Muangkhot]

Hi Gregg,

Thanks alot.

> I believe his plan was to make it a licensed product, maybe even setting up
> an IOS based version, though he'd be the one to ask for sure. I just had
> some things that might be used as part of it (ObjectBrowser, REBOLSense,
> etc.).
>

It is a good news. I hope to see RIDE operational soon.
 
Brice.

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[REBOL] Re: Dialects - Bane or Blessing? (was: Teaching Rebol)

[Gregg Irwin]

Hi Gerard,

<< So my question is : Do you also use the Windows API under the hood of
your Win-send-keys DIALECT ? >>

Yes. No way around it that I could see.

<< When I will have done my own it is possible that I recontact you about
your Dialect since this looks an easier way to do things than I originally
planned to do them myself - do you agree ? >>

Yes, absolutely! If you want something like VBs SendKeys, this is it.

If there are any /Pro or Command users out there that would like to help
test it, just zap me an email.

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[REBOL] Re: bitset crash bug - was: Re: bitset help

[Gregg Irwin]

Hi Anton,

<<
on Windows 2000, this value works ok:

make bitset! 105708

but reliably crash on:

make bitset! 105716 ; and higher values

REBOL - Fatal System Error
** CRASH (Should not happen) - Expand series overflow
[OK]
>>

Have you submitted it to feedback? In any case, it's good to know that we're
limited to just over a billion bits. :) I get a 'not enough memory' error
with your first value, and also crash with the second. I have 384M physical
in my machine.

--Gregg

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[REBOL] Re: Wanted: a Libmaster - and a FAQ posse

[Ed O'Connor]

--- Ingo Hohmann wrote:
>> what happened to the Libmaster position? 

That's a good question. I hope the issue is still
alive.

>> I don't have much time, don't feel fluent in Rebol,
>> but would like to grow into the position. 

Oh the modesty! Ingo, your scripting ability is more
advanced than you admit. REBOL's complexity seems to
scale with your ability, so maybe you never quite feel
like a guru.

/// FAQ Writers, step forward by this Tuesday Oct 1

Thinking beyond the library, I propose to lead an
effort to create a much richer FAQ for REBOL. I admire
the Javascript FAQ at www.IRT.org (
http://developer.irt.org/script/script.htm ) and I
think REBOL could benefit from a similar resource. 

In this vein, I've amassed roughly 1000 questions from
messages on this list and other language FAQs. Most of
the questions are newbie-level and have a
web/HTML/Javascript perspective. They require clear,
well thought-out answers. 

I've been disgracefully remiss about getting a posse
together to tackle this. But shame has no value if it
doesn't beget action. 

Any REBOLs with a flair for writing/editing
documentation who would like to contribute time and
expertise, please contact me directly no later than
Tuesday, October 1. There is also a trusty-REBOLer
with a hankering to write FAQ-builder script (output
similar to IRT FAQ I mentioned). 

Gotta move fast, time is the enemy. Serious offers
only. I will send out a reminder this Monday and start
parcelling out work immediately. There will be a
schedule, deadlines and a launch date, so no
lollygagging! 

Pretty simple stuff, but long overdue.

Regards,
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[REBOL] Re: what's happened to RIDE?

[Gregg Irwin]

Hi Brice,

<< Trying to catch up, I wonder if you let me what's happened to RIDE? >>

I think Ammon must be terribly busy lately. He hasn't been around much here
or on IOS. I haven't heard anything on RIDE in a while, but maybe he'll jump
in here and give us an update.

<< Can we have a chance to use it? Will it be an open source or licensed
product? >>

I believe his plan was to make it a licensed product, maybe even setting up
an IOS based version, though he'd be the one to ask for sure. I just had
some things that might be used as part of it (ObjectBrowser, REBOLSense,
etc.).

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[REBOL] Re: Newbie: Help with image buttons (View)

[Gregg Irwin]

Hi Matthew,

<< Can I do this? >>

Have you tried it? :) It should work just fine, but don't be afraid to play
with things and run them. It's hard to hurt anything unless you're writing a
file deletion utility and run it live without security or something. :)

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[REBOL] Re: Dialects (any plan is better than no plan) - Baneor Blessing?

[Gregg Irwin]

Hi Ingo,


<< I think what hinders the conception of a rebol standard library the
most, is the missing of a module system. As long as Rebol doesn't
include a module system, it will be hard to handle library. >>

I agree completely. I thought RT was working on a module system for Core
3.0, so I kind of hesitate to start building something like a standard set
of libraries that would need to be redesigned when that happens.

<< Or, we should decide to use one of the many module handlers floating
around (or create one), and decide that this one will have to be used by
all library scripts. >>

Mabye the libmaster, when they are named, could talk with Carl about it and
get his recommendation, since he's "in the know" about what might be coming
down the pike. Then we might at least not be too far off track.

--Gregg

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[REBOL] Re: Newbie: Help with image buttons (View)

[Gregg Irwin]

Hi Matthew,

When you have a bug in your code, it's best if you can post the actual code
to the list because it's hard for anyone to know exactly what might be
happening in different parts of the code, etc.

There are some awesome people on this list. Given a piece of almost-working
code, they can generally spot the problems very quickly and get you on
track.

--Gregg

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[REBOL] what's happened to RIDE?

[Brice Muangkhot]

Hi Ammon and Gregg,

Trying to catch up, I wonder if you let me what's happened to RIDE?

Can we have a chance to use it? Will it be an open source or 
licensed product?

Thanks for your help.


Brice.

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[REBOL] Re: bitset help

[Romano Paolo Tenca]

Hi, Brett

> > That reverse will not fail on different system? (big-endian/little endian)
>
> Another good point. I'm using Win NT 4.0 on Intel. What happens on other
> systems?

No one with Rebol running on Amiga?

---
Ciao
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[REBOL] Re: Teaching Rebol => was:{Re: Re: Parsing comment}

[Tim Johnson]

Hi Carl;

* Carl Read <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020927 14:07]:
> 
> My feeling is is that visual feedback is the quickest way to notice if
> something's right or wrong.  It's why we convert a mass of numbers
> into a graph.  The graph and the numbers are the same thing, it's
> just that we need to see the graph before we can understand the
> numbers.
 
 We have thus far a lot of eye candy in the course content. I think
 it would be neat to have some view scripts that could be easily
 modified by a beginning student to give them some feedback...

> > What I would like to do is develop a scheme where even the starting
> > students could render in CGI as well as the command line
> 
> That would be a good approach.  Wouldn't a local server on the
> students' machine be one way of doing this?  It could be one written
> in REBOL so you'd have control of what it could and couldn't do. 
 
  The problem is infrastructure and the attitude of systems adminstrators,
  trying to solve that  story!

> (Until the kids hacked it;)

  I only wish they could ...

> > about my son-in-law who makes over a hundred grand a year for
> > working 20 hours average a week. Who's treated like a god by his
> > contractees, who wouldn't give Eminem, Steven Seagal or Michael
> > Jordan a second look. That gets their attention... ;-)
> 
> I can see that working with older students who're having to start
> thinking about future employment, but I can't see it being much
> motivation for kids under 14 or so.
 
  I beg to differ, even eight graders get that one, we need good
  looking programmers and techies of both genders coming in to
  talk to kids here. Girls especially are infected with this
  weird idea that being into computers is very unsexy
  
> 
> I'd think it'd need tutors online 24/7 to be really effective, plus
> instant messaging and the ability to share desktops.  Tutors online
> 24/7 is the hard part there I would think.
 
  For those of you reading this, Carl took part in a mailing list
  that was set up for this class a year ago. It was terribly dead,
  we are trying a chat room now, but it will be staffed by the
  teacher of record and myself only one hour a week  and
  paranoid school sysops aren't letting anyone else in (so far).

  Progress, not perfection
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[REBOL] Re: Wanted: a Libmaster - no pay, but glory

[Ingo Hohmann]

Hi Carl,

what happened to the Libmaster position? We've had at least one person
begging to be it on-list, and a few who promised to help out, but as
there's been no new information on it ... I guess noone answered you
directly, am I right?

Well, this isn't a job application, but I'd volunteer to ask again,
filter the answers, and send them on to you to decide. And if there's
noone appropriate to be found:

I don't have much time, don't feel fluent in Rebol, but would like to
grow into the position. 


Kind regards,

Ingo

Am Son, 2002-09-15 um 00.28 schrieb Carl at REBOL:
> Wanted:
> 
> We need a Libmaster for the REBOL on-line library. 
<...>


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[REBOL] Re: Newbie: Help with image buttons (View)

[Matthew Kim]

Currently the entire program is structured as follows:


process_msg: func [var1 var2][
...
foreach... [
if/else ... [
...
]
]

return x
]

layers: func [var1 var2][
...
return x
]

cellphone: layout [
...
image left_button [
output1: layers var1 var2
...
if flag == 1 [
output2: process_msg var1 var2
]
]
...
]

view cellphone

~

With "flag = 0", everything seems to work fine. 

When the flag is changed to "1", the error arises when the "foreach"
loop within the "process_msg" function is called.

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[REBOL] Re: Newbie: Help with image buttons (View)

[Matthew Kim]

Can I do this?

Withint the layout, I have buttons.  When the button is triggered, it
sends off to a function (process_msg) for processing.

Ex.
cellphone: layout [
...
image left_button [
output: process_msg var1 var2
...
]
...
]



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[REBOL] Re: Dialects - Bane or Blessing? (was: Teaching Rebol)

[Gerard Cote]

Hi Gregg,

regarding some dialects of your own,

 You wrote: 

> I have a few I've done as well, and let's not forget about make-doc and it's
> relatives! Here are some examples of a few of mine.
>
> ===Send-keys (for sending keystrokes to other applications):
>
> win-send-keys compose [
> "Gregg" return tab F5
> alt #"f" #"o" wait 0:0:0.1 alt "n" wait .5 escape
> {^/This is some more text (with a "quote")...
> no less. }
> divide return
> shift ["i" shift-up "rwin"] return
> shift "i" "rwin" return
> "Irwin" return
> "0" 10 return
> (s: copy "" repeat i 10 [append s form i]) return
> (do func [/local s] [s: copy "" repeat i 10 [append s to char! add i 64]
> s]) return
> ctrl "s" wait .5 escape return
> ]
>
-

Sometime ago I asked myself how I could emulate the VB Send-Key function using REBOL 
since I will need it soon.

I planned to use the Windows API but this requires the /View PRO that I can't afford 
yet - other short term priorities appeared here
recently !!! Probably I'll get it in december instead of mid-september as originally 
planned :-)

So my question is : Do you also use the Windows API under the hood of your 
Win-send-keys DIALECT ?

When I will have done my own it is possible that I recontact you about your Dialect 
since this looks an easier way to do things than
I originally planned to do them myself - do you agree ?

Thanks in advance,
Gerard


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[REBOL] Re: Byte on Mac OS X (and Rebol too)

[Joel Neely]

Hi, Gabriele and all,

I posted some links re this topic on Thursday, with subject

[REBOL] Re: Cross 'X' Platform?

I agree it's encouraging that he mentioned REBOL in the same
list with "other important tools".

Gabriele Santilli wrote:
> 
> Hi Paolo,
> 
> On Saturday, September 28, 2002, 6:34:59 AM, you wrote:
> 
> PR> I just found this one on byte.com:
> PR> 
> 
> [OT]  I  wonder  if  this  stimulates the Linux people to create a
> better  desktop,  and  better multimedia support. The only thing I
> didn't  like  was  that  "BSD  kernel  running  on  top  of a Mach
> microkernel"  ---  I'm  not sure I would want an OS that needs TWO
> kernels  to  run.  (Also,  that not on microkernels not being fast
> enough shows that that guy has never seen AmigaOS or QNX...)
> 

I'm a bit puzzled by his choice of phrasing re kernel layers, but
don't see "kernel over microkernel" as any more of an issue than
layers in other contexts (e.g., protocol stacks).  The use of a
microkernel as a single point of control for resource sharing and
message passing in support of higher layers of system management
is well established AFAICT in the RTOS arena, where speed is of
the essence (pSOS in addition to your citation of QNX).  Just for
the sake of completeness, we could add the Next OS (of which OS X
appears to be a descendent).

However, the point remains that getting Unix on the desktop is A
Good Thing, and the choice of Aqua-vs-terminal as the primary point
of contact is a tomayto/tomahto issue AFAIAC.

IMHO, the combination of VisiCalc and the Apple ][ probably had more
to do with early penetration of the professional (e.g. accountants)
and corporate markets by personal computing than anything else.
Wouldn't it be great if the combination of Mac OS X (nee Unix) and
REBOL could play a corresponding role in helping the larger market
really "get it" about distributed computing as well?

And even if it does so by motivating the Linux community to pay
more attention to interfaces for the non-technical user, that's OK
too...  Take a look at

http://slashdot.org/articles/02/09/27/148235.shtml?tid=120

for another Unix-on-desktop alternative: a $199 box sold by WalMart
which runs Lindows (Debian deriviative with glue to run uSoft apps)
now supported by AOL.

Any foot in the door will do...  ;-)

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do function [s] [t] [ t: "" foreach [a b] s [repend t [b a]] t ] {
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[REBOL] Re: Encoded Spam

[Graham Chiu]

Hi Andrew,

That's just base64 encoded email as opposed to encrypted email.

Your email client readily decodes this, and one also has to decode it prior
to examing it with one's various filters.

I would be interested in seeing some email that has a virus.  I've deleted
all
those sent to me, and now I'm interested in seeing what has to be done to
detect them.

If you've got any, can you send them to

rebol
@
compkarori dot com

and not to my usual email in case it gets through unnoticed!

--Graham

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:49 PM
Subject: [REBOL] Encoded Spam


> If anyone wants to see this encoded spam I've got, email me directly at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send you a copy as an attachment. Here's what
> part of it looks like as plain text:
>
> --=_NextPart_000_00D4_38A53D6B.E4607E15
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>
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[REBOL] Re: Dialects (any plan is better than no plan) - Baneor Blessing?

[Ingo Hohmann]

Hi Gregg, and all,

Am Fre, 2002-09-27 um 23.41 schrieb Gregg Irwin:
> Hi Tim, et al
> 
> <<
>   Many other programmers have told me that rebol looks very promising,
>   but shy away because of the lack of a standard library or API. And
>   frankly I think rebol is "old enough" to have that now.
> >>
> 
> I was thinking about this because some time ago I put out a feeler message
> to see if people were interested in organizing a set of function libraries.

I think what hinders the conception of a rebol standard library the
most, is the missing of a module system. As long as Rebol doesn't
include a module system, it will be hard to handle library.

Or, we should decide to use one of the many module handlers floating
around (or create one), and decide that this one will have to be used by
all library scripts.


Kind regards,

Ingo



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[Andrew Martin]

If anyone wants to see this encoded spam I've got, email me directly at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send you a copy as an attachment. Here's what
part of it looks like as plain text:

--=_NextPart_000_00D4_38A53D6B.E4607E15
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64


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[REBOL] Re: Library & smart docs => was:{Re: Re: Parsing comment}

[Laurent Giroud]

Friday, September 27, 2002, 1:34:21 AM, Graham Chiu wrote :
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:21:54 +0200
>   Christian Langreiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>> Hmm.  I thought that there was not supposed to be a 
>>>direct 
>>> link anywhere to that archive to prevent spiders getting 
>>> to it ... as email addresses are visible on those pages.
>>
>>Well, spiders don't get to sites if they observe 
>>robots.txt, which
>>spam address harvesters most certainly don't.

> We had a discussion before about the rebol.org archive, 
> and Jeff removed all links to the archive.  To get the 
> address, you have to use the link on the RT rebsite. So 
> even a spam address harvesting robot should not get there. 
>  But I guess google had it in it's database prior to that 
> happening.

It is also possible that people added a link to this page within their own
website. This way google will access it while harvesting those people's sites.

It's hard to keep a useful page from being referenced from somewhere else ;)

Regards,
Laurent


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[REBOL] Re: Byte on Mac OS X (and Rebol too)

[Gabriele Santilli]

Hi Paolo,

On Saturday, September 28, 2002, 6:34:59 AM, you wrote:

PR> I just found this one on byte.com:
PR> 

[OT]  I  wonder  if  this  stimulates the Linux people to create a
better  desktop,  and  better multimedia support. The only thing I
didn't  like  was  that  "BSD  kernel  running  on  top  of a Mach
microkernel"  ---  I'm  not sure I would want an OS that needs TWO
kernels  to  run.  (Also,  that not on microkernels not being fast
enough shows that that guy has never seen AmigaOS or QNX...)

I  was  a  bit surprised that he cited REBOL with the other stuff.
That's very good. :-)

Regards,
   Gabriele.
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[REBOL] Leo was Re: Byte on Mac OS X (and Rebol too)

[Graham Chiu]

On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:34:59 +0200
  "Paolo Russo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I just found this one on byte.com:
>
>It speaks about the "switching" of a Linux guru to Mac OS 
>X. And there is
>a quick citation of Rebol, too.
>I think RT should have something to think about...

Moshe has been using Rebol for a while now. He emailed me 
a couple of years ago requesting help with one of my 
undocumented scripts :)

On a related note, I had a look at Leo.  The jargon is a 
little confusing, but once you get the hang of it, it does 
seem a great way of writing scripts with embedded 
documentation.

If one were to store Rebol scripts in Leo format in the 
library, we would need a way to cleanly expand/collapse 
the nodes in a browser, and to extract (tangle) the source 
code of the rebol script without everyone having to have 
Leo on their own systems.  The latter could readily be 
done with a Rebol cgi script.

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[REBOL] bitset crash bug - was: Re: bitset help

[Anton]

The following versions of rebol:

REBOL/View 1.2.8.3.1 3-Aug-2002
REBOL/View 1.2.5.3.1 6-May-2002
REBOL/View 1.2.1.3.1 21-Jun-2001

on Windows 2000, this value works ok:

make bitset! 105708

but reliably crash on:

make bitset! 105716 ; and higher values

REBOL - Fatal System Error
** CRASH (Should not happen) - Expand series overflow
[OK]

Anton.

> > > On my machine and with this version a bitset seems to have a maximum
> size of
> > > 2040.

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