[REBOL] Greetings
Hi folks, just delurking from the list to wish you a very happy new year, and hope your respective festive seasons were all you hoped for. Thanks to everyone for all the great advice over the past year or so. Back to lurking now! Matt -- Matt Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freelance Web/New Media Consultant PGP key: http://www.blis.co.uk/pgp/keys/public/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Member of the Professional Contractors Group http://www.pcg.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Cookbook submissions idea
Hi Gerard: We simply miss some formal structure as to how and what has to be officially presented. May be the scripts library committee or other REBOL and/or DOC expert can help us to start with ... There isn't a committee on the script Library as such -- just Gregg, Volker and myself. Anyone who joins the Library is free to contribute any script they want. Sometimes, that shows up a flaw in the cataloging features (we don't have pre-thought of categories for the new script), but we can normally add new categories pretty quickly. Robert Muench proposed REBOLDOC sometime back. That would be a website with extended user-contributed examples and documentation for each REBOL word -- so you could look up various tricks and traps for say 'if or 'open. He asked for volunteers to help him develop it back in aug-2003. If the project is onhold awaiting a kindly volunteer maybe, Gerard, you could be The One! I've thought a couple of times of having a Gotchas section on REBOL.org -- we'd use the cookbook idea and format, but for traps or version/platform-specifc issues. But I don't have the time in the first half of this year, so I'd be very happy for someone else, or some other site, to do it instead. Sunanda. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] extending IE with Rebol was RE: Re: Easy-Vid
It might just be a question of patents. Maybe MS has patented loading of scripts on web pages or something else obscenely vague. Well no actually Microsoft got sued by eolas: http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1065601616 The desire to have some sort of way of plugging rebol more closely into Windows, especially the protocol architecture as handled via IE, was the reason for the asynchronous pluggable protocol article: http://www.devx.com/webdev/Article/17120 The rebol example in there is pretty trivial (not to mention being spaghetti code), but I was hoping that others would have some ideas as to how such a protocol should actually work. If one of the things one wants is to just load .r files the protocol can be used to pass info as to the location of that .r file and then load it. Last night I actually started doing a useful script to run when I call reb:// 'addresses', I decided to have it have the structure Reb://password=skjuiquiggobject=windowoid=1576oname=IEXPLORE.EXEload =myscript.rexec=loadwindow http://www.rebol.com A password would be obligatory, this way the script can keep track of links authored locally, and those passed external to the system. Depending on what the password and security settings are it would allow one to do specific things. The gobject parameter refers to various objects recognized by the script that allows it to lock into the system. An object referencing window tells you that the script wants to do something to a specific window. Oid tells you the pid of the object passed (not necessary for each object) Oname tells you the image name of the object passed. Load tells you what scripts to load, probably should be a list. And exec tells you what code to execute. In the example link above I'm thinking that the link tells the script to get the window from which it was called, and to load that window with the address www.rebol.com to be able to do stuff like pass an actual windows id from IE, I'm extending the right click context menu, so unfortunately it can't be 100% rebol. Anyway, the scenario given above might not be the best way to do things, and it may not be what people want. So other suggestions would be welcome. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: understanding rebol
I have started to revive my 2001 version of easy-vid.r. ---Script and Outline I will have a version by Friday in two formats: a. vid-usage.r that can be posted to the script library b. the vid-usage.leo which is the LEO outline for the same ---Why Leo I like LEO for organizing scripts (although I have not heard of many people using it for REBOL). You need to install Python to run it but this is fairly painless. refer: http://leo.sourceforge.net/ You can use the version that you like. I'll have to investigate where I can promote the .leo file. ---Updates I would like to see update requests on AltME only. There is now an EasyVid Group on the REBOL world for this purpose. ---Exclusion If you do not want to see the EasyVid group updates, send me (cybarite) a message on AltME privately and I will exclude you from that group. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Cookbook submissions idea
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 05:27:00 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Muench proposed REBOLDOC sometime back. That would be a website with extended user-contributed examples and documentation for each REBOL word -- so you could look up various tricks and traps for say 'if or 'open. He asked for volunteers to help him develop it back in aug-2003. If the project is onhold awaiting a kindly volunteer maybe, Gerard, you could be The One! Hi, yes that's right. Even I'm going to repeat myself here over and over. IMO the biggest enemy is information fragmentation. We have a lot of information burried in the ML, many very good Rebolers in the community, several good web-sites, etc. We just don't consolidate these information snippets in a central base. For reference IMO it's a must to have a central base. The Rebol library shows how good this approach works. The idea to send a status mail to the ML is very good! With the ciritical mass of information, gravity will ensure that more and more is put into the library / docs. Anyway, I see some requirements that must be fullfiled to make this a success: 1. Easy to use! New Rebolers, people just giving it a try, etc. want to download one file and click thru it. I can imagine something like a standalone easy-vid application. I have the SDK so we can create this. Of course the source version will be available too but new people need to get it very fast. 2. Some Master! IMO we shouldn't spend to much time to questions like: What categories do we need, In which order do we add content etc. We need someone how has the vision, and how keeps the rest of us on track. If people submit stuff for Rebol words, well than we just use it. Over time it will fill up. This is not a static project. 3. Make it pure Rebol! IMO the best we can do to show what Rebol is about is to create an super-easy-vid like tool for all kind of Rebol documentation: Core, View, VID, IOS etc. The Rebol knowledge-base... 4. Peer-Reviewing! The Master is responsible to share the vision and keep the rest on track, motivate people and get input. To ensure a good quaility, I think we should setup a peer-review group. This group will check new submissions, before these are integrated. Peer-review members should be suggested and voted on. As I'm far away from being a Rebol expert WRT to View VID, I just started together with Steve, to collect all kind of information snippets about View / VID. We try to hack together an as-much-complete documentation as possible. I could need such a thing very often, as I'm not working with this stuff all the time and I'm forgetting things to fast. But I'm able to pick up very fast, if I can have a look at very simple examples. So, what do we do next? Robert -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: ANN: Mailing list archive in DyBase format
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:15:21 +1300, Graham Chiu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have exported my copy of the REBOL mailing list database ( July 2k to Jan 2004 of 38,000+ messages ) to DyBase format, and have placed it *temporarily* on my ftp server. It was 60Mb uncompressed, and 15Mb zipped. Hi Graham, that's cool! What's your experience with DyBASE so far? I'm testing it with Messenger messages. You'll need /Pro to make the library calls to the windows dlls. Do you own the SDK? Howabout creating a standalone version of this? Robert -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Cookbook submissions idea
Hi Sunanda and others contributors to the actual Library and Documentation systems, I'll be glad to help the community as much as in the sense of doing some work cataloging submitted scripts, ideas and the like as I would have liked to get them used myself from the start I learned REBOL. However remember that I am a starter as I begin again to learn REBOL since I was not started a long time with ot as I had to go down for another too lon illness period ... I really have to start it all and I'll do it quietly this time. At least I know that I can count on you all to guide me and react quickly if something is not up to the level you want it to be. I'll sure contact Robert about REBOLDOC just to see if his project goes in the same direction as the one you mentioned. May be using a gotchas section in the actual cookbook, library or in the form or easy-vid lessons could be enough to start with. In any case if you have any material (ideas, comment, code for simple examples) to submit about how to use each REBOL word, I'm opening the entries. I have found many myself but they have to be organized and edited somewhat. Later a section about some very small to small projects to be developed (from design to code and doc) could be fun to put in place too. Not just the final product but a full way of thinking guideline for real things. I know that everybody here has its own way of thinking but if books and teachers can do it for other languages why could we not do it for REBOL. I also there is also a lot of material on the REBOL basics but not much about how to develop small projects from beginning to end in the spirit of REBOL designer. The official book shows some but they are not trivial to me and we can do it simpler for beginners I think. I think the cookbook is the nearest of what I think about for now followed by the simple VID examples contained in easy-vid. If I speak for myself I recently found enough starting material in the cookbook to really begin to understand how I can hope interfacing some REBOL code with a functional GUI that will really use some text list with sliders and react correctly to my users' mouse events without having to ask everyone for the tiny details I couldn't find myself from the VID or VIEW sources ... after having looked in the docs too. In fact it's a bit too low level for me when I want to do something quickly a la VB. I suppose it is so for many newcomers and this could be eased in some way for them if we only want to do something small without having to reinvent the wheel everytime. This is why I like the idea of having some plug and play library at hand for us to use - even if we have to parameter it each time. Regards, Gerard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:27 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Cookbook submissions idea Hi Gerard: We simply miss some formal structure as to how and what has to be officially presented. May be the scripts library committee or other REBOL and/or DOC expert can help us to start with ... There isn't a committee on the script Library as such -- just Gregg, Volker and myself. Anyone who joins the Library is free to contribute any script they want. Sometimes, that shows up a flaw in the cataloging features (we don't have pre-thought of categories for the new script), but we can normally add new categories pretty quickly. Robert Muench proposed REBOLDOC sometime back. That would be a website with extended user-contributed examples and documentation for each REBOL word -- so you could look up various tricks and traps for say 'if or 'open. He asked for volunteers to help him develop it back in aug-2003. If the project is onhold awaiting a kindly volunteer maybe, Gerard, you could be The One! I've thought a couple of times of having a Gotchas section on REBOL.org -- we'd use the cookbook idea and format, but for traps or version/platform-specifc issues. But I don't have the time in the first half of this year, so I'd be very happy for someone else, or some other site, to do it instead. Sunanda. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: understanding rebol
Hi Cybarite, Nice start. I am impatient to see the new results. I'll have to revive my AltMe but I think it will be of some real value this time - more than chatting for chatting as I was doing before. Regards, Gerard - Original Message - From: Cybarite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 6:13 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: understanding rebol I have started to revive my 2001 version of easy-vid.r. ---Script and Outline I will have a version by Friday in two formats: a. vid-usage.r that can be posted to the script library b. the vid-usage.leo which is the LEO outline for the same ---Why Leo I like LEO for organizing scripts (although I have not heard of many people using it for REBOL). You need to install Python to run it but this is fairly painless. refer: http://leo.sourceforge.net/ You can use the version that you like. I'll have to investigate where I can promote the .leo file. ---Updates I would like to see update requests on AltME only. There is now an EasyVid Group on the REBOL world for this purpose. ---Exclusion If you do not want to see the EasyVid group updates, send me (cybarite) a message on AltME privately and I will exclude you from that group. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: extending IE with Rebol was RE: Re: Easy-Vid
i Bran, I also thought about addind some COM interface for REBOL to be used instead of Javascript as the scripting language for IE but my programming knowledge was falling short too soon. Sorry about that but life is like that. I also asked myself how could be added a MySql protocol to REBOL without using the external call mechanism of the PRO versions of REBOL and why we couldn't do the same about IE but again this is exceeding my actal knowledge. But I think you are in a good idea to explore this avenue. May be someone more experienced can explain us SIMPLY what has to be done and if this can be done what we need to get as information to start with. I also remember when IE could launch REBOL scripts and it was very spectacular to me. I know a lot of apps that could use this approach to help promote the use of or at least the interest about REBOL ... Regards, Gerard - Original Message - From: bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:38 AM Subject: [REBOL] extending IE with Rebol was RE: Re: Easy-Vid It might just be a question of patents. Maybe MS has patented loading of scripts on web pages or something else obscenely vague. Well no actually Microsoft got sued by eolas: http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1065601616 The desire to have some sort of way of plugging rebol more closely into Windows, especially the protocol architecture as handled via IE, was the reason for the asynchronous pluggable protocol article: http://www.devx.com/webdev/Article/17120 The rebol example in there is pretty trivial (not to mention being spaghetti code), but I was hoping that others would have some ideas as to how such a protocol should actually work. If one of the things one wants is to just load .r files the protocol can be used to pass info as to the location of that .r file and then load it. Last night I actually started doing a useful script to run when I call reb:// 'addresses', I decided to have it have the structure Reb://password=skjuiquiggobject=windowoid=1576oname=IEXPLORE.EXEload =myscript.rexec=loadwindow http://www.rebol.com A password would be obligatory, this way the script can keep track of links authored locally, and those passed external to the system. Depending on what the password and security settings are it would allow one to do specific things. The gobject parameter refers to various objects recognized by the script that allows it to lock into the system. An object referencing window tells you that the script wants to do something to a specific window. Oid tells you the pid of the object passed (not necessary for each object) Oname tells you the image name of the object passed. Load tells you what scripts to load, probably should be a list. And exec tells you what code to execute. In the example link above I'm thinking that the link tells the script to get the window from which it was called, and to load that window with the address www.rebol.com to be able to do stuff like pass an actual windows id from IE, I'm extending the right click context menu, so unfortunately it can't be 100% rebol. Anyway, the scenario given above might not be the best way to do things, and it may not be what people want. So other suggestions would be welcome. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Cookbook submissions idea
Hi Robert, consider we are now 3 on your REBOLDOC workers' list, I propose you (if you agree) as our first Master to share your vision and keep the ship in the right direction and we'll try together to get the peers review committee on foot and alive. Give me some link referring to what you found up to now that I begin to study and review what you have at hand for the moment. I'll be glad to add to this material myself and look around for additional stuff - even query some when needed if I can't produce or get it myself. I also share the idea of getting some standalone product in the easy-vid format. Glad to reconnect with you for work and pleasure - our former connection was broken too soon. I'll come back at it later if you permit. for now I have to relearn REBOL with greater detail and learn VID too. Regards, Gerard - Original Message - From: Robert M. Münch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:24 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Cookbook submissions idea On Tue, 6 Jan 2004 05:27:00 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Muench proposed REBOLDOC sometime back. That would be a website with extended user-contributed examples and documentation for each REBOL word -- so you could look up various tricks and traps for say 'if or 'open. He asked for volunteers to help him develop it back in aug-2003. If the project is onhold awaiting a kindly volunteer maybe, Gerard, you could be The One! Hi, yes that's right. Even I'm going to repeat myself here over and over. IMO the biggest enemy is information fragmentation. We have a lot of information burried in the ML, many very good Rebolers in the community, several good web-sites, etc. We just don't consolidate these information snippets in a central base. For reference IMO it's a must to have a central base. The Rebol library shows how good this approach works. The idea to send a status mail to the ML is very good! With the ciritical mass of information, gravity will ensure that more and more is put into the library / docs. Anyway, I see some requirements that must be fullfiled to make this a success: 1. Easy to use! New Rebolers, people just giving it a try, etc. want to download one file and click thru it. I can imagine something like a standalone easy-vid application. I have the SDK so we can create this. Of course the source version will be available too but new people need to get it very fast. 2. Some Master! IMO we shouldn't spend to much time to questions like: What categories do we need, In which order do we add content etc. We need someone how has the vision, and how keeps the rest of us on track. If people submit stuff for Rebol words, well than we just use it. Over time it will fill up. This is not a static project. 3. Make it pure Rebol! IMO the best we can do to show what Rebol is about is to create an super-easy-vid like tool for all kind of Rebol documentation: Core, View, VID, IOS etc. The Rebol knowledge-base... 4. Peer-Reviewing! The Master is responsible to share the vision and keep the rest on track, motivate people and get input. To ensure a good quaility, I think we should setup a peer-review group. This group will check new submissions, before these are integrated. Peer-review members should be suggested and voted on. As I'm far away from being a Rebol expert WRT to View VID, I just started together with Steve, to collect all kind of information snippets about View / VID. We try to hack together an as-much-complete documentation as possible. I could need such a thing very often, as I'm not working with this stuff all the time and I'm forgetting things to fast. But I'm able to pick up very fast, if I can have a look at very simple examples. So, what do we do next? Robert -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Forum Name
fwiw, RebolForum embodies both a) the sense of academic gathering together e.g. discussion forum b) the sense of excitement and adrenaline e.g. the Roman Forum - Original Message - From: Defiant Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:16 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Forum Name Good Morning, so far we have 2 votes for reboltalk.com and 2 votes for rebolchat.com. The domain will be purchased late tonight, anyone care to tip the scale? If not we can flip a coin. ;) -Maryjane -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: extending IE with Rebol was RE: Re: Easy-Vid
But I think you are in a good idea to explore this avenue. May be
someone more experienced can explain us SIMPLY what has to be done
and if this can be done what we need to get as information to start
with.
Well I think it's not so much what needs to get done, as in what people
would like done. Some things, like using Rebol to get a window by name,
would of course require command, and I don't think I could do that. But
most of the browser interaction, whether IE or Mozilla I could handle.
So here are a list of things:
Click on a link in windows - link can be in IE, link can be in a word
document, excel, open office documents, could be in a htt template for a
folder in the local filesystem found via explorer, etc. This link call
rebol and passes it commands, what kinds of commands should rebol be
able to accept?
I figure to make this powerful it has to pass info about what
environment the link was clicked in. The window name, the process id,
etc.
Extending the right click menu in IE and Mozilla:
This is basically a registry hack in IE and if I recall correctly an XUL
hack in mozilla. In IE clicking a right context menu calls a modal
dialogue window, which can be a local html file, depending on registry
settings the particular page is visible or invisible. If invisible the
page should just be a script.
I don't have any of the ones I was working on at home so I'll just use
an example extension from google:
If you have the googletoolbar installed you also have a registry entry
something like this:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\MenuExt\Google
Search]
@=res://c:\\winnt\\downloaded program
files\\GoogleToolbar_en_2.0.95-deleon.dll/cmsearch.html
Contexts=hex:10,00,00,00
res: refers to a html page found as a resource inside of the
GoogleToolbar_en_2.0.95-deleon.dll but it could in fact be a local file,
if instead of the res protocol file: was used
here's a copy of that file:
html
object id=gg align=top
classid=clsid:00EF2092-6AC5-47c0-BD25-CF2D5D657FEB width=1 height=1
border=0 vspace=0/object
script language=JavaScript defer
var parentwin = external.menuArguments;
var doc = parentwin.document;
var sel = doc.selection;
var rng = sel.createRange();
var strhtml = new String(rng.htmlText);
var str = strhtml.replace(/[^]*/g, );
str = str.replace(/\s+/g, );
str = str.replace(/^\s*/,);
str = str.replace(/\s*$/,);
if (str.indexOf( ) != -1)
str = '' + str + '';
var bnewwindow = external.menuArguments.event.shiftKey;
var url = http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-menuextq=;
+ escape(str);
try {
url = gg.Search(String(str));
bnewwindow = gg.OpenNewWindow();
} catch (ex) { }
if(bnewwindow)
parentwin.open(url);
else
parentwin.navigate(url);
/script
/html
so if we wanted to add in right click on explorer that called rebol and
passed it some info, all we would have to do is to write a javascript
that built up the info we wanted to send and then used location.replace
to call the reb:// protocol and pass the info.
The technology is pretty simple, what I'm wondering is - what would
people want of such a protocol?
- Original Message -
From: bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:38 AM
Subject: [REBOL] extending IE with Rebol was RE: Re: Easy-Vid
It might just be a question of patents. Maybe MS has patented
loading
of scripts on web pages or something else obscenely vague.
Well no actually Microsoft got sued by eolas:
http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=1065601616
The desire to have some sort of way of plugging rebol more closely
into
Windows, especially the protocol architecture as handled via IE, was
the
reason for the asynchronous pluggable protocol article:
http://www.devx.com/webdev/Article/17120
The rebol example in there is pretty trivial (not to mention being
spaghetti code), but I was hoping that others would have some ideas as
to how such a protocol should actually work.
If one of the things one wants is to just load .r files the protocol
can
be used to pass info as to the location of that .r file and then load
it.
Last night I actually started doing a useful script to run when I call
reb:// 'addresses', I decided to have it have the structure
Reb://password=skjuiquiggobject=windowoid=1576oname=IEXPLORE.EXEload
=myscript.rexec=loadwindow http://www.rebol.com
A password would be obligatory, this way the script can keep track of
links authored locally, and those passed external to the system.
Depending on what the password and security settings are it would
allow
one to do specific things.
The gobject parameter refers to various objects recognized by the
script
that allows it to lock into the system. An object referencing window
tells you that the script wants to do something to a specific window.
Oid tells you the pid of the object passed (not necessary for each
object)
Oname tells you the image name of the
[REBOL] Re: extending IE with Rebol was RE: Re: Easy-Vid
Okay it looks like Paul Tretter has done a lot of the ground work I needed for user32.dll http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=topwindo ws.r -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: extending IE with Rebol was RE: Re: Easy-Vid
Gerard Cote wrote: i Bran, I also thought about addind some COM interface for REBOL to be used instead of Javascript as the scripting language for IE but my programming knowledge was falling short too soon. Sorry about that but life is like that. That is not imo needed. AFAIK even RT is interested in browser plug-in resurrection. Of course I have not studied consequences of the plug-in problem MS was sued patent-wise for. As a start, I would welcome something like following: 1) View engine - encapped app 2) minimal desktop - current View desktop is way too much similar to typical OS desktop. As for browser-plugin kind of app - users are NOT looking for rebol and its related docs, but they visit certain sites and want to try to run certain x-inet-apps. I have seen Java Webstart - it is very similar of GO View desktop button section, just nicer and with some auto-update abilities 3) autoupdate - 3 levels - a) core engine (plug-in) update - only needed when new version of View is released b) desktop (navigation app, call it whatever) package update - kind of similar functionality as how IOS desktop is updated c) particular end user app update - default setting via context menu (or other way) to allow or disable auto-update, notification of user of new updates etc. with ability to download them manually 4) installation - it would be good if ti could be installed as other plug-ins ... users brought to certain download area, detection of browser platform, offer of certain app. User would select place of installation (placement) and if possible, settings like proxy would be set automatically 5) new apps. So - once some site posts .rpl (whatever .rpl = rebol player), user would click it, and if rebol player plug-in is already in-place, it would be started and added to player's list (desktop) 6) in some distant future RT does plug-in with ability to display inside of browser window, but I think it would not be needed imo for kind of apps as demos, game packages, but would be handy for VID based forms embedded in your html presentation ... That is my pov, I even dare to think it may be a killer app, if promoted a bit and if it would be deployed into user's web experience and would not be difficult to set-up ... Let's hope View 1.3 and 1.4 bring-in some more innovations to View low level, as current demos are just too jerky, animations slow (show me someone smooth and fast scrolling and I will send you bottle of beer ;-), keyboard navigation insufficient and making small games almost impossible to produce ... -pekr- -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: extending IE with Rebol was RE: Re: Easy-Vid
Hi, That is not imo needed. AFAIK even RT is interested in browser plug-in resurrection. RT should do the source code for plugin open source or better public domain, so people can improve/change/adapt it. Of course I have not studied consequences of the plug-in problem MS was sued patent-wise for. This is a fool thing for me, and, up today, i am not able to speak with logic about fool things. --- Ciao Romano -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Forum Name
I prefer rebolforum it IS a rebol forum so its the most direct name you can give it. BUT The problem I see with the forum Idea is that Carl S. promotes altMe en masse and the vast majority of rebolers accept Carl's views as the default pattern thinking for anything rebol. trying to virge the community to a new communication channel, will only further split the exchange of information. There is already a (vast?) gap in altme and mailing list information. Sometimes, its obvious that the premium information is being discussed on altme. I (and many others like me) just don't have time to start following 2-3-4 different communication threads each day. I think that is why the previous forum failed (combined with the number of rebolers there are). -MAx --- You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, but in the end, being part of the problem is much more fun. -Original Message- From: Chaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [REBOL] Re: Forum Name fwiw, RebolForum embodies both a) the sense of academic gathering together e.g. discussion forum b) the sense of excitement and adrenaline e.g. the Roman Forum - Original Message - From: Defiant Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:16 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Forum Name Good Morning, so far we have 2 votes for reboltalk.com and 2 votes for rebolchat.com. The domain will be purchased late tonight, anyone care to tip the scale? If not we can flip a coin. ;) -Maryjane -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: extending IE with Rebol was RE: Re: Easy-Vid
Getting the windows titles would be much easier if RT would include callback functionality at some point. ;) I can't seem to comment about that enough. Paul Tretter - Original Message - From: bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: extending IE with Rebol was RE: Re: Easy-Vid Okay it looks like Paul Tretter has done a lot of the ground work I needed for user32.dll http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=topwindo ws.r -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Forum Name
Yeah I agree. I wouldn't want to fracture the community much more at this point. I do think Altme serves a great purpose. Problem is that we need a place where quick access to answers can be provided. The more scattered the mediums that attempt to gain our rebol attention the more chances that we wont get that perk that having a narrow resource pool gives us. So if anything, we probably need to have more marketing and inclusion for the Altme REBOL world instead. And at some time in the fuure its my hope that after REBOL-VIEW world has completed its task it will be accessible somehow from the REBOL world. Paul Tretter - Original Message - From: Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Forum Name I prefer rebolforum it IS a rebol forum so its the most direct name you can give it. BUT The problem I see with the forum Idea is that Carl S. promotes altMe en masse and the vast majority of rebolers accept Carl's views as the default pattern thinking for anything rebol. trying to virge the community to a new communication channel, will only further split the exchange of information. There is already a (vast?) gap in altme and mailing list information. Sometimes, its obvious that the premium information is being discussed on altme. I (and many others like me) just don't have time to start following 2-3-4 different communication threads each day. I think that is why the previous forum failed (combined with the number of rebolers there are). -MAx --- You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, but in the end, being part of the problem is much more fun. -Original Message- From: Chaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [REBOL] Re: Forum Name fwiw, RebolForum embodies both a) the sense of academic gathering together e.g. discussion forum b) the sense of excitement and adrenaline e.g. the Roman Forum - Original Message - From: Defiant Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:16 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Forum Name Good Morning, so far we have 2 votes for reboltalk.com and 2 votes for rebolchat.com. The domain will be purchased late tonight, anyone care to tip the scale? If not we can flip a coin. ;) -Maryjane -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Forum Name [off topic]
but isn't rebol a drug for the majority of us... ask my wife, she'll tell you !! its harder to break than her smoke habbit... ;-) I may tell you that you are right because I used to be a heavy smoker back at those days before REBOL. I wonder if REBOL isn't the cure to my stressed way of life :))) Carlos -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Forum Name [off topic]
-Original Message- From: Carlos Lorenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] its harder to break than her smoke habbit... ;-) I may tell you that you are right because I used to be a heavy smoker back at those days before REBOL. I wonder if REBOL isn't the cure to my stressed way of life :))) there you go, rebol saved your life, literally! ;-D I've heard it said that an addiction often isn't canceled but rather replaced... once you've had the rush, your brain still needs it. -MAx -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Forum Name
Em Ter 06 Jan 2004 14:47, you wrote: The problem I see with the forum Idea is that Carl S. promotes altMe en masse and the vast majority of rebolers accept Carl's views as the default pattern thinking for anything rebol. by the way how do I get access to REBOL-View world? Carlos -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Cookbook submissions idea
Robert Muench proposed REBOLDOC sometime back. That would be a website with extended user-contributed examples and documentation for each REBOL word -- so you could look up various tricks and traps for say 'if or 'open. Vanilla could be a great tool to use for that:-) http://www.vanillasite.at/space/start If Gerard would take charge, I'd be willing to help out since I've been working with Vanilla for some time. Meanwhile, RIT [Rebol Institute of Technology] site is the only Vanilla site which is dedicated to Rebol already. So perhaps the Graham has an idea ? http://compkarori.com/vanilla/display/rebol-main - Jason -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Interlacing blocks
Hi all, after NFOREACH, this will look very simplistic, but I needed something to evaluate a function on ALL elements of a block, and keep ALL the results (in a block), so I did these. Can this be useful, or is there a better way ? And also better names ? These functions are almost 1-liners. There are 4 variants; example of use are given below: toall: func [ blk [block!] fun [function! native!] /local res ] [ foreach args blk [append [] either attempt repend copy [res: fun] args [res] [none]] ] allarg: func [ blk [block!] body [block!] /local fun res ] [ fun: make function! [arg] body foreach args blk [append [] either attempt [res: fun args] [res] [none]] ] toany: func [ blk [block!] fun [function! native!] /local res ] [ foreach args blk [if attempt repend copy [res: fun] args [return res]] none ] anyarg: func [ blk [block!] body [block!] /local fun res ] [ fun: make function! [arg] body foreach args blk [if attempt [res: fun args] [return res]] none ] all toall [1 3 5 7 9 12] func [arg] [odd? arg]; is the same as: all allarg [1 3 5 7 9 12] [odd? arg] anyarg [1 3 5 7 9 12] [even? arg] toall [[2 2][2 3][3 2]] func [arg1 arg2] [arg1 ** arg2]; is the same as: allarg [[2 2][2 3][3 2]] [arg/1 ** arg/2] Alain Goyé. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Interlacing blocks
Hi Alain, AG I needed something to evaluate a function on ALL elements of a AG block, and keep ALL the results (in a block), so I did these. AG Can this be useful, or is there a better way ? And also better AG names ? Looks kind of like MAP to me. map: func [fn blk args /local result][ result: copy [] repeat el blk [append/only result fn :el args] result ] map :odd? [1 3 5 7 9 12] none == [true true true true true false] You might also look for old discussions here on the COLLECT functions some people have done. -- Gregg -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Forum Name
Last night we purchased reboltalk.com and rebol-help.com I am currently creating a index page for rebol-help and will instal phpbb on reboltalk as soon as the domain resolves. While I understand the concerns about fragmentation I feel the need for archived information for new users will definitely benefit from a forum and possibly a clear index of where to find rebol resources. While I hope that the rebol community will pitch in ( perhaps moderate the forum, or add articles) I don't expect it. As I am a new to rebol myself, perhaps I can seed the forum with questions I have answered through the mail list. FYI: Rebol Help I would like to develop for new users a sorta getting started, quick reference and index that can be googled for rebol resources. Anyhoot... I will let all know when the forums up. -Mj. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: 'do vs 'reduce
Tuesday, January 6, 2004, 5:24:10 AM, Volker wrote: Am Montag 05 Januar 2004 17:59 schrieb Gregg Irwin: Hi Andreas, AB i was wondering if, letting refinements and non-block! parameters AB aside, 'do is really just a last reduce, in other words, if (a AB simplified) do could be precisely expressed as: AB do: func [ bl [block!] ] [ last reduce bl ] Well, both cause evaluation. If LOAD were used (thinking about binding issues), and having not done any tests, my feeling is that you're probably right. Knowing how Carl likes to build things, I can't imagine he'd want two separate evaluators in REBOL. :) similar, but 1) [do %file.r] [reducce %file.r] that's what i meant with non-block! parameters. there are similar differences when you pass an url! or string! as parameter. 2) 'do can give arguments to expressions. the only function with a dynamic number of arguments: ! reduce func[a][a * a] 5 == 5 ; reduce-result is thrown away ! do func[a][a * a] 5 == 25 ; 5 is past to func by do. 'do fetches actually 2 arguments in this case. same stuff here. not a block! is passed, and do behaves specially (apply/invoke style) when a function! is passed as first parameter. -- Best regards, Andreas -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Forum Name
Yeah I agree. I wouldn't want to fracture the community much more at this point. I do think Altme serves a great purpose. Problem with AltMe is it nature - it is great when comes to (rather small IMO) group cooperation in making something - but fails, when someone new comes in. No archive - and even archive is provided, it will be one-long page to dig-in. I agree. AltME is good for live relatively intimate discussions, when one is keeping up daily, and swimming energetically in the stream. But its structure, archive interface, import/export, formatting, linking and any modern re-usable google access leave much to be desired. If it were openSource then it would be much easier for REbolers to contribute to its developement. Kind of ironic since AltME is 'free', and that precisely this sort of fast extensibility is one of the jopbs Rebol is supposed to be good at. - Jason -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] bit of mysql help?
hi guys, I can open up the mysql listener from bash, and access a database, but when I try to use the mysql.r protocol, a: open mysql://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/database I get, cannot connect to localhost what can I look at to fix this? -- signature riding a horse: clopclopclopclop -tom -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Forum Name
Well on second thought, I suppose Altme is not the best solution either. What we need is a cross between the two - the strength of the Altme is its realtime action - where we can see whos logged on and we need the strength of the forum where we can moderate it so that there is archive searchable database with sticky threads at the top of the list for newbies to find quick access to help. Paul Tretter - Original Message - From: Jason Cunliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 3:08 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Forum Name Yeah I agree. I wouldn't want to fracture the community much more at this point. I do think Altme serves a great purpose. Problem with AltMe is it nature - it is great when comes to (rather small IMO) group cooperation in making something - but fails, when someone new comes in. No archive - and even archive is provided, it will be one-long page to dig-in. I agree. AltME is good for live relatively intimate discussions, when one is keeping up daily, and swimming energetically in the stream. But its structure, archive interface, import/export, formatting, linking and any modern re-usable google access leave much to be desired. If it were openSource then it would be much easier for REbolers to contribute to its developement. Kind of ironic since AltME is 'free', and that precisely this sort of fast extensibility is one of the jopbs Rebol is supposed to be good at. - Jason -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.553 / Virus Database: 345 - Release Date: 12/18/2003 -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: bit of mysql help?
Tom Foster wrote: hi guys, I can open up the mysql listener from bash, and access a database, but when I try to use the mysql.r protocol, a: open mysql://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/database try 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost? -pekr- I get, cannot connect to localhost what can I look at to fix this? -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: bit of mysql help?
Hi Tom, I guess you're on a unix system. If you connect locally, the C mysql client use local sockets while mysql.r use TCP ports. So the points to check are : - Does your mysql server run on the default port 3306 or different one ? - Does your mysql server allow for TCP connection ? - Is your [EMAIL PROTECTED] authorized to connect to database ? On Linux, a reverse DNS under REBOL often give localhost.localdomain instead of just localhost. If it's the case, the simplier way to workaround that is to grant access to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on mysql server. HTH, -DocKimbel Tom Foster wrote: hi guys, I can open up the mysql listener from bash, and access a database, but when I try to use the mysql.r protocol, a: open mysql://user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/database I get, cannot connect to localhost what can I look at to fix this? -- signature riding a horse: clopclopclopclop -tom -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Forum Name
Am Dienstag 06 Januar 2004 22:08 schrieb Jason Cunliffe: Yeah I agree. I wouldn't want to fracture the community much more at this point. I do think Altme serves a great purpose. Problem with AltMe is it nature - it is great when comes to (rather small IMO) group cooperation in making something - but fails, when someone new comes in. No archive - and even archive is provided, it will be one-long page to dig-in. Archive is there. Its not digital, its human. Just ask the question, and tips and links pop up. Only google can compete :) I agree. AltME is good for live relatively intimate discussions, when one is keeping up daily, and swimming energetically in the stream. But its structure, archive interface, import/export, formatting, linking and any modern re-usable google access leave much to be desired. If it were openSource then it would be much easier for REbolers to contribute to its developement. Kind of ironic since AltME is 'free', and that precisely this sort of fast extensibility is one of the jopbs Rebol is supposed to be good at. OTOH, More developers, more buttons in the GUI. Btw, it is easy to contribute. The sending part is closed, but the data is easily loadable in rebol. And to process. One could even reserve groups to post in a forum. About the format, well, ask in the rebol-world ;) - Jason -Volker -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Interlacing blocks
Am Montag 05 Januar 2004 06:48 schrieb Henrik Mikael Kristensen: Hi Interlacing blocks: a: [a b c] b: [x y z] c: [1 2 3] = d: [a x 1 b y 2 c z 3] Is there a function to do this? I wrote my own, but was curious. If nothing else is at hand, a: [a b c] b: [x y z] c: [1 2 3] d: copy[] repeat i length? a[repend d[a/:i b/:i c/:i]] ? d Its so short i would not write something special. Otherwise nforeach of course. -Volker -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
[REBOL] Re: Forum Name
OTOH, More developers, more buttons in the GUI. Btw, it is easy to contribute. The sending part is closed, but the data is easily loadable in rebol. And to process. One could even reserve groups to post in a forum. About the format, well, ask in the rebol-world ;) All good points. Thanks - Jason -- To unsubscribe from this list, just send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the subject.
