Re: What's so great about Linux?
> Just remember what happened between VMS and Berkeley Unix. All the > comments you are making now were made 15 years ago, when that struggle > became visible. The outcome? Unix built the Internet. Ken Olsen's > insistence on VMS destroyed DEC and allowed companies like Sun to blossom. > > ---Rsk > Rich Kulawiec > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Oh Rich your parting shot here was awesome! Wutz up? -- Chuck Mead [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.moongroup.com "Never underestimate the power of a small tactical nuclear weapon." This message was sent with Tkrat v1.1 -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: What's so great about Linux?
Comments are in line! > Redhat tells me no where how its kernal installs default. It only gives me > 2 options in its chapter "next steps after install".. To do a modular or > monolithic compile. My netowrk card (Linksys 10/100 using the PNIC chip) > is not supported by Redhat's driver. It requires version .83 or above to > work. I had to find it on the net, download it, modify the C code to > enable full duplex support and then install it. The following link does not list Linksys 10/100 (PNIC or otherwise) in the Manhattan compatibility list and it also clearly states the following: "Not listed = not supported"! http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/rhl/intel/rh51-hardware-intel-11.html#ss11.4 This link does not list Linksys 10/100 (PNIC or otherwise) in the Hurricane compatibility list and it also clearly states the following: "Not listed = not supported"! http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/rhl/intel/rh50-hardware-intel-11.html#ss11.1 This link does not list Linksys 10/100 (PNIC or otherwise) in the Biltmore compatibility list and it also clearly states the following: "Not listed = not supported"! http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/rhl/intel/rh42-hardware-intel-11.html The HCL for NT 3.51 at Microsoft's site lists the Linksys ISA card but not the 10/100 PCI (PNIC or otherwise). The HCL for NT 4.0 at Microsoft's site lists the Linksys 10/100 PCI card but doesn't adress the chipset (PNIC or otherwise). I have one very simple question, Scott... Why would you attempt to use a hardware device which is clearly stated as incompatible? You wouldn't do it with NT and I know you wouldn't 'cause I know you know that OS and have seen a few BSOD's. So why is Linux somehow suspect because the driver isn't available in the official release? Since I know you've had that happen to you with client and server OS's of other flavors I'd say you're levying criticism where none is due! Congratulations are due you since you made it work in spite of the missing driver! I suspect you'd have done the same with NT or 95, the only difference being that you probably wouldn't have had to compile the thing for M$ products. This, by the way is truly a feature when it comes to using the most powerful and customizable OS in the world *NIX or LINUX. You are not limited! You do not have to "take what the geniuses at the software house give you". If you don't have it out of the box somebody somewhere has produced it 'cause there's about a zillion folks out there writing stuff for Linux! Your situation and solution is an excellent example of this very thing. This is bad? I have had a business relationship for a while now with a manufacturer of high end servers who's based in Maryland. You should hear what he has to say about the timeliness that certain hardware manufacturers have with the provision of driver spec's for their products. Many vendors write their own drivers and the ones that don't, eventually, provide their spec's to the OS developers so their product can be supported. Since Linux driver development, likely as not, is happening in a private domicile in Spain, Brazil, Israel, or the U.S. what do you suppose the likelihood is that this vendor is gonna provide that spec to the guy or gal punching out the code in that domicile? Believe it or not it happens, but when it doesn't these folks dissassemble and port an existing driver or write one from scratch! This is bad? > The installations instructions for a modular kernel install consisted of > executing 5 commands and for a monolithic it was recompile the kernel. > Redhat's instructions on the monolithic compile are giberish so I'm > avoiding that. I chose to do a monolithic kernel to support simple > upgardes. I gather from your responce that Redhat has already done > this to a point thus poor documentaton lead me to re-compile my kernal. > No biggy since it worked,,just wasted 2 hours of my time. RedHat's kernel compilation instructions aren't gibberish! They work, first time, every time, if you do exactly what they say. Your situation as a neophite is a perfect case in point. I think the issue here is that you're missing the real reason someone might want to compile it in the first place. Rich K. could probably say this better since he's far more experienced with *NIX than I but the long and short of it is that it's a technique for optimization of memory usage which directly effects the speed of the OS in operation by eliminating superfluous items and adding required/desired items. The smaller the kernel, the smaller the memory footprint in RAM. The more unnecessary stuff you get rid of the faster the thing's gonna run 'cause it's doing less work per clock cycle. It's largely a function of intended use! I use a modular kernel on one of my machines 'cause it's my primary workstation (the box that I'm typing on in fact) and I might decide to make a change to it and the modularity gives me that capability without requiring a reco
Q: news servers
Anyone here ever set up a news server with Linux? What software do you use to host the groups? How hard is it to do? I'd like to do this to demonstrate to management that Linux is indeed a viable system for the enterprise. (In any case we need one.) Any useful help will be greatly appreciated. Joe PS -- I upgraded my box to RH5.1 tonight, extremely painless. :) PPS -- the Yankees lost again. :P __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Metro-X or Xfree86?
Thanks, I'll make sure I upgrade to the latest Xfree86 before configuring it. Right now it sets it to the SVGA driver which is not accelerated. My guess is the version I have on my cd is at 1 or to revs behind. Metro-X is 2. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 6/16/98, at 4:25 PM, William T Wilson wrote: >On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Scott wrote: > >> difference between the two? Are thier reasons to use on over the other? > >Mostly the primary decision is which one your card is supported by. > >XFree86 is a better product. It has fewer bugs and is more efficient. >But MetroX supports some cards that XFree doesn't. > >> worth the 40 bucks? Do I get acceleration with Metro-X? I don't get >> acceleraton with Xfree86 (at least not the version I'm using). > >I think the XFree accelerates on the ET6000. In fact I'm sure of it, it >says it does in the documentation. Unless your version is very old I >think you may be mistaken. > > > >-- > PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! >http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. /-- /- Scott Tyson /- [EMAIL PROTECTED] /-- -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
LaTeX, not finding some sty's
I'm trying to run latex on a file that contains a few packages. Well, latex comes up and says it can't find them, but if I do a locate (say locate typehtml.sty) I find it, and can enter it and all works fine. This works (I guess) but when running latex2html (which is where I need the hyperlinks) it doesn't prompt me and just complains it can't find them in the log file. I haven't added any sty files, so that's no it. Thanks for any help! Chris <- Visit Me At http://home.hiwaay.net/~jfrost -> <-- For My Public PGP Key Visit http://home.hiwaay.net/~jfrost/pgp_key.txt --> -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: What's so great about Linux?
Scott wrote:
> Only a user who is familair with messing with an OS. I for one don't want
> to think about touching my OS in this manner. I doin't know C nor do I have
> any plans to know. I'll grant you that someone somewhere does fix it and
> updates are more quickly available.
But please do remember--as a consultant with 20 years of {experience/pain},
it's a _helluva_ lot easier for *me* to fix your system if you have source.
And cheaper for you.
> Don't belive what you read. Sticking in the RH 5.0 floppy and having it do
> the install is only the first step in a linux setup. Have that 10 year old
> do a modular install or do a kernel upgrade or download, modify, and
> install a network card driver. My guess is unless she is a geniuos this
> is way out of her league. Linux is NOT production grade yet.
Well...please. Compare apples and oranges. Unix/Linux simply *isn't* a
desktop replacement. It's a complex server and development OS. In *that*
world, frankly, it's a helluva lot closer to production grade than NT.
> Yes RH does
> come with a pretty good install but the OS istelf still requies a great
> deal of "maintenance and tweaking" to get it working. Far more than its
> competition (NT, OS/2 and 95)
Apologies--but Linux (and Unix) are flat-out, simply NOT in competition with
OS/2, 95, or even NT. Those systems are desktop, opiate-of-the-masses
individual operating systems--or, rather, filesystem mangers/program loaders/
UI shells. A complex environment just can't be reduced to a few GUI
administration tools; but similarly, desktop, user-oriented boxes shouldn't
require a degree in CS. MS is trying to simplify the world too much; most
Linux advocates (as, to be fair, most Unix advocates I've known for the
last quarter-century) try to trivialize the difficulties of configuring and
maintaining a complex OS.
> For Linux to be concidered (sic) a "Production-grade" OS it must offer
> the same or similair installation and support features as its competition.
>
Er...unfortunately, that's simply not a supportable global statement, if you
consider Linux as a competitor in the server-grade multi-user OS world.
Most commercial OS offerings don't require you to compile support libraries,
or the tools themselves, true. But they usually do require use of binary
patch distributions, and are very, very much slower in response to security
or bugfix reports. In most respects, the availability of source alleviates
a *lot* of the complaints that users of HP or other commercial Unix syste
have to answer.
It ain't simple, kids...
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Emacs dist missing DOC-20.2.1
I am trying to compile auctex for emacs 20.2-7. Auctex gives the
following error.
!! error (("Cannot open doc string file
\"/usr/share/emacs/20.2/etc/DOC-20.2.1\""))
Why doesn't the redhat rpm have this file? What is the best way to
include it?
Thanks
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Re: Wired picks up the OS/Manufacturer debate
>> This story just appeared on Wired News: >> http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/12990.html > >I really do appreciate pointers to interesting info, but it's really a >nice, courteous touch to provide a one or two line summary of just exactly >_what_ the Web reference is talking about. Isn't that what the subject line is saying... especially in light of the 'LINUX vs Windoze availability on new machines' threads of late?? Dale Dale Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Created in a Microsoft-Free environment -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Wired picks up the OS/Manufacturer debate
Michael R. Steigman wrote: > This story just appeared on Wired News: > http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/12990.html I really do appreciate pointers to interesting info, but it's really a nice, courteous touch to provide a one or two line summary of just exactly _what_ the Web reference is talking about. Cheers, -- Dave "Sometimes just don't have a Web link handy while reading Mail" Ihnat [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] 312/315.1075 [home office] || 312/443.5860 [office] -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: PS/2 and RedHat Disks
Chris, I haven't tried that! But I am not using lilo because I am using DosLinux and that doesn't appear to be there. Do you know of any switches for loadlin? Thanks, LT At 03:46 PM 6/16/98 -0400, you wrote: >Something you've prolly tried but when lilo comes up try appending mem=16M >to force linux to only use 16M > >HTH > >Chris > >On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, LT wrote: > >>I booted DosLinux using the bzimage kernel (i didnt find any at the mca >>site recommend that worked, thanks though, i may need that at a later >>point) and here is the error that I got which may help you people who know >>Linux deduce what is wrong and what I need to do to fix it. >> >>PS/2 ESDI: DMA above 16MB not supported >>end_request: I/O error, dir 20:01, sector 498929 >> >>There was a page or two of these each one having a different sector. I am >>also not sure whether dir is dir or some other set of letters, I can't read >>what I wrote (oops!). Thanks for your patience, >> LT >>-- >>"No man and no force can abolish memory." >> - Franklin D. Roosevelt >> >>Penguin Power! Linux is the OS of the future! >> >>LT Grant - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 0x110BCDC5 - UIN #9826505 >> >> >>-- >> PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! >>http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists >> To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >> "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >> > > >-- > PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! >http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
mime.types suggestion 2: .doc files
Okay, here is suggestion 2 for the /etc/mime.types file. It concerns the proper handling of MS-DOS Word files being sent out by Pine and Apache. In /etc/mime.types, you might want to add a line that reads: application/msword doc so that the Apache server can better serve out MS-DOS .doc files (MS-Word files) that have been linked to on peoples' home pages, and so that Pine can build correctly the mime header to .doc attachments people send out in email from a Redhat system account. Explanation: The explanation for Apache is the same as that for the .exe files mentioned in my last posting/email (suggestion 1). The explanation for Pine: When someone uploads an MS-WORD .doc file to their Linux account and then wants to attach that .doc file to an email they are *sending out*, that .doc file will NOT have the correct mime-type specification in the MIME header of the email they send. That is, the encoded .doc file will be listed simply as: Content-Type: application/octet-stream (the default for all binaries pine doesn't know what to do with) instead of as: Content-Type: application/msword This affects people using Netscape for Win95. Instead of starting up Word automatically and loading in the attachment for them, Netscape will instead cat the contents of the .doc (control characters and all) unformatted, to the user's browser window. Or it may give them a 'Save As..' dialog box. Neither of these behaviors may conform to what some users would expect.* The way to correct this is to package the attachment in Pine correctly (by the sender). And the only way to do that is to correctly have .doc files listed in the /etc/mime.types file. * If it *is* sent with the correct header, users can still configure their browsers so that they are given a *choice* whether they want to 'Save as' or open with Word. There may be other MS-DOS/Win95 (ugh! :) filetypes that ought to be included in the /etc/mime.types file. But these two are a start, and I think it's fair (even though I personally don't use Win95 or Word) to include these in a UNIX /etc/mime.types file. Even KDE expects .exe to be MS-DOS executables and .txt to be text files, etc. These file types are getting pretty common, and it might add to the ease of loading Redhat Linux if these niceties were part of the O/S (mime.types file) from the start. Thanks for listening! Jeff Stern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "..more brutal and inhumane than any other communist regime in the world." --Alexander Solzhenytsin, describing the Chinese regime in Tibet. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
mime.types suggestion 1: .exe and .com files
// I got bounced the first time I sent this to the redhat-list // (even though i was subscribed via the post-only), but what // the heck :) I re-subscribed and will try again. Thus, this // will be a repeat for the [EMAIL PROTECTED] folks :) Please // bear with me :) Jeff. I've got a couple of suggestions for lines that should be added to the mime.types file to accomodate proper handling of certain MS-DOS files by Linux programs. The 1st suggestion concerns the proper handling of MS-DOS executables being served out by the Apache web server (httpd) from people's home pages: In /etc/mime.types, you might want to change the line that reads: application/octet-streambin to application/octet-streambin exe com so that the Apache server can better serve out MS-DOS .exe and .com files that have been linked to on peoples' home pages. Explanation: Suppose I make an http link to an executable that I want people to be able to download from my (personal) page.* Now, when they left-click on the link, I want the Apache server to tell their browser that this executable is of mime type 'application/octet-stream'. This way, their browser will most likely respond by giving them a 'Save As..' dialog box, instead of just catting the executable's contents to their browser's window. (Yes, the viewer can still get this behavior out of their browser by just holding down the shift key while left-clicking, but many folks don't know this.) *An example of this can be found on http://eclectic.ss.uci.edu/~jstern/jeff.html"> my own home page . Go to the bottom, where you will see a link to the public domain MS-DOS executable version of the UNIX command 'mv'. The program name is 'mv.exe'. If you left-click on it, using Netscape for Win95, you should get a 'Save-As' dialog box. It should NOT cat the executable to your screen. The reason you're getting this correct behavior is because I've added the above line to my /etc/mime.types file. Jeff Stern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "..more brutal and inhumane than any other communist regime in the world." --Alexander Solzhenytsin, describing the Chinese regime in Tibet. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
net alias error
Hi, Everyone: I saw the following error: net_alias_dev_create(eth0:0): unregistered family==2 As a result I cann't bind any IP to the linux box. Any one has any idea as what wrong? Thanks. Zhenhua -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: reinstalling linux???
Matt, Anything that has conf in the filename ;) Don't know about RH5 specific, but I'd recommend you look through /etc for the *conf files, /boot for the kernel, /lib/modules for the modules, /home for sure, /opt for anything you might have installed. Put on your "Remember When Hat"(tm) and save anything that caused you specific grief setting up the 1st time. Rick On Sat, 16 May 1998, Matt Teagarden wrote: > any special precations if I am going to reinstall my RH5 install?? The > server is a web server, all it has are a few user's dirs that i need to keep. > > I already backed it up, anything else? > > -Matt -- Rick L. Mantooth[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.why.net/users/rickdman/index.html Give me ambiguity or give me something else. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: HTML-formatted mail
At 04:29 PM 6/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >This is a long thread that is out of place on this list, but I just >had to respond to this particular message. Jeff is right. I feel guilty responding (again) because this list in particular is quite full with these kinds of exchanges. >Think of it this way. What would your reaction be if you got a >(paper) letter written in four different colors, with smiley faces >everywhere and every fifth word underlined? I'd think that it had >been written either by a twelve year old girl, or by a total nutcase. >People have forgotten how to write, so they try to dress their words >up with meaningless formatting. If your words don't convey a sense of >urgency, the answer isn't to make them blinking red, and if you feel >the need to write after a joke, it probably isn't funny. In the responses to this thread, I have heard many "why nots". What seems so funny to me is that those who are against HTML formatted mail seem hell bent on how some one can use it to mess up communication. Or better yet, how some use it to overcome their lack of ability to craft their ideas into words. Personally, I can say that HTML-formatted mail also has many advantages. I do not wish to elaborate them here for various reasons. However, I was very surprised at the lack of appreciation by a technical group. Most importantly, I think we in the Linux community need to keep our eye on the future -- whatever that may be. Simply closing the door on HTML-formatted email just because "people don't know how to communicate anymore" is not an answer that will likely lead to improvements as individuals or a community. > >Jeff Anderson >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >P.S. If by a "link available with a double click" you mean the >ability to visit URLs by clicking on them, this is available in plenty >of non-HTML aware email clients, and has nothing to do with whether >or not the author has used HTML to format his message. > > >-- > PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! >http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: What's so great about Linux?
On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 08:19:28AM -0700, Scott wrote: > Only a user who is familair with messing with an OS. I for one don't want > to think about touching my OS in this manner. I doin't know C nor do I have > any plans to know. I'll grant you that someone somewhere does fix it and > updates are more quickly available. I'll note in passing that when dealing with problems in Linux/Unix code, you're usually able to contact the author(s) directly. That makes life a lot easier even if you don't wish to modify the application or the OS. > >10. While it's a terrific platform for experimentation, it is > >not necessarily a hacker's OS. Given that one recent article in > >InfoWorld explained how the author's 10-year-old daughter installed > >it in two hours, it's time to drop words like "geek" and "hacker" > >from Linux articles. It's as much (and IMHO, more) of a production-grade > >OS as anything else available. > > Don't belive what you read. I can't think of any reason why the author of this particular article should lie about it. > Linux is NOT production grade yet. Several of my clients are using it in key situations; one, a very, very large financial institution, uses it for their firewall. Given the reliability and robustness it's demonstrated, I'd say it's production-grade. And certainly more so that so-called "operating systems" which need to be rebooted merely because an application has been installed. > I should not have to compile programs I download from the net along > with 3 libraries that wre used to create it. So don't. Download RPM's that have compiled binaries. Or buy packages that install with a click or two. > The OS is a platofrm for me to run tools. For you and lots of people, certainly. But not necessarily for everyone. > I think things are starting to turn with support from Linksys (linksys > offers phone suport for installing their network cards on Linux, states > Linux as a supported OS on the box but still provides no driver), [...] Speaking just for me: I neither want nor need phone support. I do not like talking on the telephone, and find it a highly restrictive way to report problems. I find e-mail -- with an attached transcript and if necessary a screen snapshot -- a far more effective means of communication and documentation. > start being a concidered a real option to M$ or other Unix flavors > (Solaris, HP-UX, SCO) is that it must compete on more than just its > capabilites. > It has to be easy to install, upgrade, change, and provide a > support infrasturcture that is more than mailing lists. Why? I am very familiar with the support mechanisms of Sun, HP, Digital, SGI, and BSDI, among others: in all five cases, my involvement in Unix predates theirs. I consider the currently available ad hoc support for Linux superior to all of them *except* BSDI, and the reason BSDI is the sole exception is that their support mechanisms are formalized versions of the very same ones that the Linux community uses. I'll also note that installing RH 5.0 Linux (to choose one example) is *already* as easy as, say, installing Solaris 2.6, and is considerably easy than installing, say, SunOS 4.1.4. > Just remember what happened between BETA and VHS and Apple and > IBM. What was probably the better design/performer does not always win if > its suports/manufactureres don't accept the way things work. Just remember what happened between VMS and Berkeley Unix. All the comments you are making now were made 15 years ago, when that struggle became visible. The outcome? Unix built the Internet. Ken Olsen's insistence on VMS destroyed DEC and allowed companies like Sun to blossom. ---Rsk Rich Kulawiec [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
RE: Linux Bigot.
> From: Michael Jinks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 6:24 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: FW: Linux Bigot. > > > Bradley, Greg wrote: > > > When was the last time you saw an ad in a non-enthusiast publication > > that advertised availability of Linux? > > . . . or a non-tech, non-Linux Web site that advertised the > fact that it runs > on a Linux box (as opposed to, say, M$*** IIS or the countless > 'best-if-viewed-with' tags)? > Well your free to visit our site anytime. Just look in the left side frame, I think you will be happy. And we are a "non-tech", "non-Linux", totally commercial site. By the way we are not some little start up company, CCB has been around for 7+ years (though we are just getting out on the Internet), and the bulk of our business is selling Microsoft (!), Lotus, and Adobe though we sell just about any hardware or software. No one has asked us for Linux but if they did we would sell it (I would hope), though probably not at the rate of CheapBytes. Paul Pettit \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCB, Inc. \ CTO \ 800-342-4222x114 fax:800-440-5036 http://www.ccbnpts.com\[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ccbministries.com \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] The #1 location for non-profit, academic, and religious computer supplies. "And down under all those piles of stuff, the secret was written: We build our computers the way we build our cities -- over time, without a plan, on top of ruins." -- Ellen Ullman, Software Engineer / Author, on Windows et. all. http://www.salon21st.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
RE: FW: Linux Bigot.
> From: Michael Jinks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 6:24 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: FW: Linux Bigot. > > > Bradley, Greg wrote: > > > When was the last time you saw an ad in a non-enthusiast publication > > that advertised availability of Linux? > > . . . or a non-tech, non-Linux Web site that advertised the > fact that it runs > on a Linux box (as opposed to, say, M$*** IIS or the countless > 'best-if-viewed-with' tags)? > Well your free to visit our site anytime. Just look in the left side frame, I think you will be happy. And we are a "non-tech", "non-Linux", totally commercial site. By the way we are not some little start up company, CCB has been around for 7+ years (though we are just getting out on the Internet), and the bulk of our business is selling Microsoft (!), Lotus, and Adobe though we sell just about any hardware or software. No one has asked us for Linux but if they did we would sell it (I would hope), though probably not at the rate of CheapBytes. Paul Pettit \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCB, Inc. \ CTO \ 800-342-4222x114 fax:800-440-5036 http://www.ccbnpts.com\[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ccbministries.com \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] The #1 location for non-profit, academic, and religious computer supplies. "And down under all those piles of stuff, the secret was written: We build our computers the way we build our cities -- over time, without a plan, on top of ruins." -- Ellen Ullman, Software Engineer / Author, on Windows et. all. http://www.salon21st.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: FW: Linux Bigot.
> The problem is still, that I must know that Linux exists and that I want > it, before I can subscribe to a journal to find somewhere that I can get > it from. > WIN95 screams at me from every newspaper advertisment and editorial. > When was the last time you saw an ad in a non-enthusiast publication > that advertised availability of Linux? > I should say here that there are plans in the works to bring Linux advertising to some publications that aren't Linux/Unix-centric. It has taken some time and effort (and still has some time before coming to fruition) but it will happen RSN. --Kit -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
"Scroll Lock"-ing an xterm
The "Scroll Lock" button does not lock my xterm window. Why and how do I change it? I am using xfree and fvwm. -- Danny Rice -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: PS/2 and RedHat Disks
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, LT wrote: > Mike, > I was e-mailing back and forth with Pat Volkerding, a main guy with > Slackware, and he led me to believe it could be done. I am currently > getting tripped up on too much ram. Odd problem, 'eh. Does anyone know if > Mike's statement is true though, I may be wrong. [snip] > > > >> To Whom That This is Read by, > >>My computer is a PS/2 with ESDI drives (i think, they use eda when > > > >Last I heard, Linux won't run on the PS/2--at least not the latest > >kernels. I stand corrected! I even had a bookmark buried away that points to the Micro Channel Linux page. If you haven't seen this one, it's at http://glycerine.itsmm.uni.edu/mca/ It looks like they have quite abit of info Good luck! Mike == Mike Edwards, MIS Edwards Graphic Arts, Inc. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: FW: Linux Bigot.
Bradley, Greg wrote: > When was the last time you saw an ad in a non-enthusiast publication > that advertised availability of Linux? . . . or a non-tech, non-Linux Web site that advertised the fact that it runs on on a Linux box (as opposed to, say, M$*** IIS or the countless 'best-if-viewed-with' tags)? I agree; the only time I see a Linux vendor in the mainstream media is when Caldera is suing M$ again. (There it is again: Linux nuts are all a bunch of petulent, paranoid freaks out to get Bill Gates.) RedHat does a lot of publicity stuff, but it seems to all be concentrated around trade shows and the already-converted. National exposure is expensive. But think what would happen if (for example) Compaq decided to include Linux as an option for their servers and/or high-end PC's. One supposes that they would have to advertise that choice as a possible advantage for choosing Compaq products over others. I can see it in a newspaper ad right now: "The Compaq DeskPro-80-bajillion, now available with WindowsNT -or- CPQ-Linux pre-installed. . . " -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: HTML-formatted mail
This is a long thread that is out of place on this list, but I just had to respond to this particular message. Joe Klemmer wrote: >On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Deryk Barker wrote: > >> I know that it is to late to stop HTML encoded email. The genie >>is out of the bottle. But it is my contention that someone who must >>resort to HTML (or any other kind of fancy formating) in order to express >>their thoughts is to be pitied. No moderately educated or intelligent >>person would need anything more than plane text for email. Period. >Please. Lighten up. The ability to communicate has NOTHING to do with HTML. >However, having a link in a mail message that is available with a >double-click can be really clean. Think of it this way. What would your reaction be if you got a (paper) letter written in four different colors, with smiley faces everywhere and every fifth word underlined? I'd think that it had been written either by a twelve year old girl, or by a total nutcase. People have forgotten how to write, so they try to dress their words up with meaningless formatting. If your words don't convey a sense of urgency, the answer isn't to make them blinking red, and if you feel the need to write after a joke, it probably isn't funny. Jeff Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. If by a "link available with a double click" you mean the ability to visit URLs by clicking on them, this is available in plenty of non-HTML aware email clients, and has nothing to do with whether or not the author has used HTML to format his message. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Help with 5.0 install
I have a machine that does not quite work with Xwindows. It reconizes the card but the driver scrambles the screen after the xprobe is done. From that point on, it is not posible to see what you are doing. Since I have no plans on using X on this machine anyways, how do I install Redhat without going into the x configurator? That way I can get what I need on it without using X and latter on I can try an updated version of X. Brian == Brian Schramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Help with Xwindows fonts
I have posted this to redhat users list before. I am running redhat 5.0. I am having a problem with the size of the text on my screen. I have looked at the menu system in redhat but I have no idea how to change it. I have tried to change it in different places and nothing has taken affect. My text in netscape and other programs looks like it's about 5 point in comparison to other OS's that I use. I would also like to change the menus around to the way I do work. I have not found any documentation on the menuing system that redhat is using. Please help me in finding out this problem and maybe giving me a hint on how to sulve the text size problem. THIS IS NOT AN XTERM QUESTION. Please do not tell me how to change it in there. I need the GUI to change. Brian == Brian Schramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Aztech Sound Card
Does any one have this kind of sound card working, if so , how did you get it works? Thanks a lot __ Alfonso Barreto Lopez Inst. de Inv. de Matematicas U.N.A.M [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: What's so great about Linux?
Rich Kulawiec wrote: > The short answer is "the same things are that great about Unix". > > Briefly: > Thanks, RK. I vote for this one as 'best of thread' so far. Hope The Moron reads it. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: HTML-formatted mail
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Deryk Barker wrote: > Once upon a time Kenyon Ralph wrote: > > > > Deryk Barker wrote: > [...] Could you guys *please* keep this off the redhat-list?! If you want to have a pissing contest then do it through personal e-mail. The rest of us don't care about this thread anymore! Thank you, Mike == Mike Edwards, MIS Edwards Graphic Arts, Inc. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Newbie Question : How do I put some wallpaper in X?
I've always been partial to xearth. Have that running in the background makes your computer look nice. And mix that with a good markerfile that contains some personalized markers, makes you fell like yer home and you know if it is light outside :) Chris On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Steve Smith wrote: >you could use xsetbg, which is a front end to xsetroot (I think!), it >will wallpaper for you and put a jpeg or a few other formats of image >files on your root window. > >Steve -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Tape Backups for Linux (RH 5.0)
See the HOWTO's there is a list of the equipment that Linux recognizes __ Alfonso Barreto Lopez Inst. de Inv. de Matematicas U.N.A.M [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > To All: > > I'm getting ready to purchase a back up tape drive for my Linux / NT. They > are having a big sale on the Iomega 2GB drives, will these work for my system > configuration? I know they have software upgrades for the NT side, but can I > expect to have a good, reliable drive for my Linux data as well? Anybody have > any insights? Is anyone using an Iomega tape drive with their Linux? > > Many thanks in advance; > > C.A. Uncler > > > -- > PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! > http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >"unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: HTML-formatted mail
Once upon a time Kenyon Ralph wrote: > > Deryk Barker wrote: [...] > > As far as I'mn concerned, adding bloody HTML tags makes the mail > > *harder* to read and certainly doesn't increase its > > comprehensibililty. > > That's because you're not supposed to read the raw HTML source, you're > supposed to read the formatted output like a web browser makes. Gosh, why did I not think of that? Perhaps you could explain how I can do this using elm over a slowish dialup line? (And perhaps you could refrain from quoting my entire message back at me just to comment on one point - there are people in this world to whom bandwidth is not free you know). -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: HTML-formatted mail
> >> If you see html tags in the text ... get another mail reader ;) > >> Please. Lighten up. The ability to communicate has NOTHING to do with HTML. >> However, having a link in a mail message that is available with a >> double-click can be really clean. > >That's funny, I don't need a message to be in HTML to be able to open a URL >from my MUA (Mutt). If this is your only reason to have HTML embedded in >email, perhaps it is not us `Luddites' who should get a different mail reader. > I will be honest here, so sorry if I offend anyone. HTML in email pisses me of. It has NOTHING to do with the ability to communicate, as was said earlier. If there is a link I want to go to, I don't need to see it written out twice because of crappy HTML code inconsiderate fool put in when they weren't thinking about how long there mail would be for someone without an HTML mail reader. I can type the URL into my web browser, it's not like it takes 1/2 an hour. Wait... what if we make our messages in POSTSCRIPT! THEN THEY WILL BE AMAZINGLY LONG AND UNDECIPHERABLE FOR ANYONE WITHOUT AN POSTSCRIPT MAILER! Wait... HTML is already like that. :o) -- You have been honored with a message from the great Robert Hailman -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
gnome-session's extra startup progs?
I've been using gnome-session on my desktop for several days now, and whenever I restart it, I seem to be getting a few more xterms started up. I think my current count on each session has passed ten. I'm also getting startups of programs that I've run once or twice while gnome-session was running; currently, xres fires up every time gnome-session does, and so does a little window that just says 'hello' with an 'okay' button. I close them each time, and each time gnome-session comes back, so do they. Oh yeah, and two or three more xterms. I assume that this is related to the gnome-session feature of remembering desktop layouts from one session to the next; where is that information stored, and can it be doctored? Or is this a Different Kind of BooBoo? -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Metro-X or Xfree86?
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Scott wrote: > difference between the two? Are thier reasons to use on over the other? Mostly the primary decision is which one your card is supported by. XFree86 is a better product. It has fewer bugs and is more efficient. But MetroX supports some cards that XFree doesn't. > worth the 40 bucks? Do I get acceleration with Metro-X? I don't get > acceleraton with Xfree86 (at least not the version I'm using). I think the XFree accelerates on the ET6000. In fact I'm sure of it, it says it does in the documentation. Unless your version is very old I think you may be mistaken. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
FW: Linux Bigot.
The problem is still, that I must know that Linux exists and that I want it, before I can subscribe to a journal to find somewhere that I can get it from. WIN95 screams at me from every newspaper advertisment and editorial. When was the last time you saw an ad in a non-enthusiast publication that advertised availability of Linux? Regards Greg -- From: Paul F Almquist To: Bradley, Greg Subject: Re: Linux Bigot. Date: Tuesday, 16 June 1998 3:58PM There are several companies that advertise regularly in Linux Journal that sell machines with linux installed--VA Research and Promox are a couple. Some time back I counted 8 different ones--perhaps more now. I don't know how old these companies are but at least a couple of years old. The biggies like Dell and Gateway 2000 of course do not. -- paul -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
FW: Linux Bigot??
Actually, that was the whole point of releasing the source code. When we fix the Linux version, we fix the windows version for them as a by-product. One of the pluses we can use to convince companies that an 'open' approach has more to offer in the long term. Regards Greg -- From: Zoki To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: recipient.list.not.shown Subject: Re: Linux Bigot?? Date: Tuesday, 16 June 1998 3:49PM >Another Windows prog port a la Communicator >is a good example of how it's not supposed to be done. It got ported so >"well", it kept the same bugs that were known in the Windows version. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
FW: FW: Linux Bigot.
The letter is posted on the web but I can't remember where. You should be able to find it easy enough is you search for Nader near IBM. If you can't let me know and I'll have a look around to see if I have the page somewhere at home. Regards Greg -- From: Zoki To: 'Redhat_Post' Cc: recipient.list.not.shown Subject: Re: FW: Linux Bigot. Date: Tuesday, 16 June 1998 4:10PM On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Bradley, Greg wrote: ->>While I can see that this may be the case in Australia, ->>all folks in the US have to do is pick up the phone and dial a ->toll-free ->>number to order a preinstalled Linux system. -> ->Actually, I read the Nader letter to IBM, he was unable to purchase a ->computer from anyone that he tried, and he provided a long list, sans ->windows let alone with another operating system installed. Of course he ->was talking 'NAME' brands, non the less, it appears that the options for ->pre-installed Linux are few. *** I would be interested to read that letter. Where did you see it and does Nader have a site? Zoki. %% Fin de message / End of message %% -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: addendum: Re: sndconfig/modprobe?
Okay, chapter 3 -- Now I've re-compiled my kernel and modules making extra-sure that I set up sound support as modules. I then rebooted and ran sndconfig with every possible combination of settings (dma, irq, etc) for my sb16. Each time, sndconfig gets to the point of announcing that it will attempt to play a sound sample, then complains about an error running modprobe, and pops me back to the irq/dma page. Okay, what am I doing wrong? This card has worked in this machine, just not under Linux' native drivers -- the 4front demo did work, but I think I'd like the RedHat stuff better if I could just get it to work. -m -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: disabling the horizontal bar in afterstep
On 16 Jun, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi all > > I have RH-5.1 in a i386 box and I am running afterstep. I want to disable > the horizontal bar that appears in the screen. > > How can I do that? > > regards > > miguel You'll find a file called "autoexec" in the /usr/share/afterstep directory, and all you have to do to disable the horiziontal bar (WinList) is either edit the WinList line out of that file or put a hash mark (pound sign) at the beginning of the WinList line. fj -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- -- http://www.dsuper.net/~flaw/ -- -- -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Anyone Using XFree + SiS 86c6215 Video Card
> > hi > you may find the server for the card at www.suse.com. If it works please > let > me know, as I have been unable to get X working after installing the > server. > > -Aditya > Raj Singh wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I have recently tried loading XFree86 3.3.2 (with RedHat Linux 5.0) on > > a > > PentiumMMX/166 based system (Intel YM430TX Motherboard). This has a > > SiS > > 86c6215 video controller on PCI. This is NOT recognized by XFree and > > it > > also does not allow SVGA X-server to run. The X-SVGA starts and then > > terminates with the message of unknown video card. > > > > Also, the card has 1 MB of videoRAM which is not recognised by > > SuperProbe > > (version 2.15). SuperProbe does find that the video card is from > > Silicon > > Integrated Systems (SiS), but also says that the chip set is unknown > > (please report). The entry for signature data is 6 (I have done the > > reporting to the given email addresses). > > > > The XFree86 web site pages have no info on this video card. Anyone > > with > > more info on this card and possible support under Linux for X ? > > > > -- Raj > > Hi all, I've been using the Mach64 server from SuSe and it works great. The SuSe people recommend that you use their own slightly modified xfconfig program. One thing I've noticed, and you might want to check this out, is that the symlink to the server is in /usr/X11R6/bin, not in /etc/X11 as in redhat. Another thing was that the config program had the wrong name for the server. In my case it was pointed to a server named XMach64, while the server installed by their rpm was called XF86_Mach64. Another difference from redhat is that the XF86Config file was located in /etc, not /etc/X11. hope this gets you going. Harold -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: grpm 0.1
On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 01:48:18PM -0300, Marc Ewing wrote: > I've finally crufted together a release of grpm. It seems to do basic > stuff pretty well, and shouldn't mess up your RPM database too badly :-). > > grpm is a graphical interface to RPM, with many super nifty features: > > . track and cache multiple "repositories" of RPMs simultaneously > . can do FTP and HTTP repos (see README) > . resolve dependencies *across repos* > . search packages for any info in package header > . color codes packages based on "state" > . many options for sorting and displaying package listings > > There is some minimal documentation in /usr/doc/grpm-0.1/README. > Please read it. > > grpm is available from > > ftp://ftp.labs.redhat.com/pub/grpm is this site mirrored, your rejection html doesn't say > > You will need Red Hat Linux 5.1 plus all the updates to use the > binary RPMs. If you do not have a GTK 1.1 based GNOME system > (and if you don't know, you don't) you should use the -static > RPM package. > > -Marc > > -- > To unsubscribe: > mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null -- -- Stephen R Parkinson I don't have a problem with dos/windows, except at work. Oh well, can't have everything I suppose. If the machine had had a CDROM, I had a RH boot disk handy :-) -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
boot disk
is it possible to create a disk to boot from during installation of rh5.0? i have NT on my machine now, and i want to install red hat so i have a dual boot machine. to do this, i need to install red hat, then boot into linux via floppy, copy the boot image, then boot into nt and tell the nt boot program where to find linux to boot it. unless someone knows a better way... -- Kevin Seguin --- Hoover's Inc. 1033 La Posada Drive Suite 250 Austin, TX 78752 phone: 512.374.4556 fax: 512.374.4501 -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Linux on PS/2 - MCA machines
There's a web page that has info on Linux on MicroChannel machines (Linux/MCA): http://glycerine.cetmm.uni.edu/~djweis/mca/ hth gary shelton network admin dalton trucking, inc. Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: PS/2 and RedHat Disks
Something you've prolly tried but when lilo comes up try appending mem=16M to force linux to only use 16M HTH Chris On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, LT wrote: >I booted DosLinux using the bzimage kernel (i didnt find any at the mca >site recommend that worked, thanks though, i may need that at a later >point) and here is the error that I got which may help you people who know >Linux deduce what is wrong and what I need to do to fix it. > >PS/2 ESDI: DMA above 16MB not supported >end_request: I/O error, dir 20:01, sector 498929 > >There was a page or two of these each one having a different sector. I am >also not sure whether dir is dir or some other set of letters, I can't read >what I wrote (oops!). Thanks for your patience, > LT >-- >"No man and no force can abolish memory." > - Franklin D. Roosevelt > >Penguin Power! Linux is the OS of the future! > >LT Grant - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 0x110BCDC5 - UIN #9826505 > > >-- > PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! >http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: PS/2 and RedHat Disks
Actually I think I have a kernel that may work (slackware/kernel/ibmmca.s/bzImage or something like that), but the kernel somehow gets caught up in my 24 meg of RAM, and I can't take out one of the 8meg cards. Any Ideas? Also is there a distribution of RedHat (or any commercial-ish Linux) on disks? Thanks, LT -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Metro-X or Xfree86?
My copy of RH came with Metro-X and obviously Xfree86. What is the difference between the two? Are thier reasons to use on over the other? My main reson for wnating to know is that I need the newest version of Metro-X to support my vid card (STB 128 using the ET6000 chip). Is it worth the 40 bucks? Do I get acceleration with Metro-X? I don't get acceleraton with Xfree86 (at least not the version I'm using). Scott -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: HTML-formatted mail
On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Deryk Barker wrote: > > It really comes down to this: > > > > You're either in favor of HTML markup in email, or you're not in favor of > > email being a very rich method of communication compared to speech. > > Oh really? And I say that I *am* against HTML in email and I am in > favour of email's being a rich method of communication? Strong second! Email should ONLY be straight ASCII text. > > I don't think we should tolerate email remaining in it's outmoded old form > > when there's such an easy way to increase it's utility for > > communication. > > As far as I'm concerned, adding bloody HTML tags makes the mail > *harder* to read and certainly doesn't increase its > comprehensibility. Without a doubt. The bottom line is this: It all revolves around writing skills. A moderately educated person should be able to express their thoughts/feelings/wants/desires by using the written word. To use crutches and gimmicks (such as HTML) is to show a complete lack of written communications skills. Did Shakespeare need HTML? Did Asimov? Are the Bible and the Declaration of Independence and the Koran and the Tao worthless and meaningless because they were written in plane, ordinary text? I know that it is to late to stop HTML encoded email. The genie is out of the bottle. But it is my contention that someone who must resort to HTML (or any other kind of fancy formating) in order to express their thoughts is to be pitied. No moderately educated or intelligent person would need anything more than plane text for email. Period. --- The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny ..." -- Isaac Asimov -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: X no longer works after 5.1 updates.
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Doug Elznic wrote: > My X no longer works either. i also upgraded from 5.0. > > > On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > > > > > X no longer works after 5.1 updates, for me anyway. I can't > > figure out what I did either. XF86_SVGA when excuted directly > > just give me a core dump. > > > > The thing is, I use Accelerated X too, and that no longer works > > either. > > > > Any clue or hints on what to look at? Anyone having problems? > > > > Thanks > > -jeremy > > > > From speaking with the great guys at Xig, the reason is a bug in the pci code of the new gcc (2.8.x). You'll need to grab just the ioprt.c file from a 2.1.x kernel and replace the one in the 2.0.x tree --> /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/kernel/ioport.c <-- I don't know why gnu has yet to fix this bug. HTH p.s. If you don't want to d/l the entire src, or don't know of anyone who has it - I'll put it on my ftp site (ftp.the-site.dyn.ml.org/pub/Linux/gcc/ioport.c). ___ d a v i d @ m i h m reality.sys corrupt! davemann-at-ionet-dot-net reboot universe(y,n)? www.the-site.dyn.ml.org/ICQ:4251923 --- Key fingerprint = E4 90 15 ED E5 9F 18 8A B0 CC FF 68 61 36 4A 6F -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Cut and Paste in RH 5.1 using Xfree_SVGA
has anyone had the problem where they cannot cut and paste using the mouse after installing RH 5.1? My old RH 4.0 system had no problems, now, with same hardware, the mouse works, but I cannot select text with the first button and paste it by selecting the middle mouse button (emulating 3 buttons with 2 button mouse). Is this a bug in RH 5.1 or XFree86_SVGA server? I'm stumped Steve Steve Smith National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Blvd/|\ Golden, CO 80401 * * * <--* *--> NREL * * Phone: (303)384-6625 * FAX: (303)384-6604 \|/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nsom.eecs.umich.edu/~steve/ -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
boot disk
is it possible to create a disk to boot from during installation of rh5.0? i have NT on my machine now, and i want to install red hat so i have a dual boot machine. to do this, i need to install red hat, then boot into linux via floppy, copy the boot image, then boot into nt and tell the nt boot program where to find linux to boot it. unless someone knows a better way... -- Kevin Seguin --- Hoover's Inc. 1033 La Posada Drive Suite 250 Austin, TX 78752 phone: 512.374.4556 fax: 512.374.4501 -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Upgrade to 5.1 - DPT RAID fails..
We have a machine with a DPT RAID controller (EATA/DMA driver) and when we try to upgrade to 5.1 from 5.0 the boot disk tells us: HBA at 0xef90 does not respond to INQUIRY, sorry. SCSI: 0 Hosts and it will not pick up the SCSI adapter. I can't rightly install or upgrade if I can't access my SCSI devices.. help? Tim -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Staroffice won't uncompress!
> "jb" == Jason Belich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jb> after getting assorted uncompression errors with SO4sp3 both using the jb> wrapper and manually using tar -xvzf, I attempted to just gzip -d the jb> tarball and I get consistantly the error jb> invalid compressed data--crc error jb> I've dnlded from several different sites with the same effect. Has jb> anyone else had this problem? If so, is there an easy solution? Well it really sounds like you are not using binary mode to download this package. How about using something like ncftp if you are not familiar with how to put whatever you are using to ftp in binary mode. This is a very large package so there is certainlly a chance to get an error during the download. Or lastly maybe staroffice just doesn't like you, only kidding. Good luck, -- Curtis Consulting mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.clark.net/pub/ray Once is happenstance, Twice is coincidence, Three times is enemy action. -- Auric Goldfinger -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
addendum: Re: sndconfig/modprobe?
I've been trying to get sound to work on my 5.1 box using a soundblaster 16 (as per the post right before this one). Retracing my steps, I just re-compiled my kernel with sound support as a module. But when I did make install_modules, I got this: [root@fred linux]# make modules_install Installing modules under /lib/modules/2.0.34/block Installing modules under /lib/modules/2.0.34/net Installing modules under /lib/modules/2.0.34/ipv4 Installing modules under /lib/modules/2.0.34/scsi Installing modules under /lib/modules/2.0.34/fs cp: sound_syms.o: No such file or directory Installing modules under /lib/modules/2.0.34/misc In modules/2.0.34/misc, I do have sb_card.o and sound.o -- what's the sound_syms thing and could it be the reason why I'm having trouble? (meanwhile, off to try sndconfig again. . . ) -m -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Tape Backups for Linux (RH 5.0)
To All: I'm getting ready to purchase a back up tape drive for my Linux / NT. They are having a big sale on the Iomega 2GB drives, will these work for my system configuration? I know they have software upgrades for the NT side, but can I expect to have a good, reliable drive for my Linux data as well? Anybody have any insights? Is anyone using an Iomega tape drive with their Linux? Many thanks in advance; C.A. Uncler -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
sndconfig/modprobe?
I'm trying to use sndconfig to set up my SoundBlaster 16. I've re-compiled my kernel and my modules to give modular support for my sound card, and rebooted with the new setup. When I run sndconfig, it appears to run fine until it tries to play the sound sample to check my configuration, and then it reports, "There was an error running the modprobe program." I'm running sndconfig as root, and I can run modprobe fine myself. . . I thought about manually installing the sound modules myself, but I'm not seeing anything in my /lib/modules that looks like it pertains. Seems to me that the sound drivers should be in /lib/modules/2.0.34/misc, but they didn't show up there; I'm also pretty sure that they don't belong in the block, fs, ipv4, scsi, or net module directories, which are the only other ones I have. So is something broken here? Lots of things maybe? -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
GNOME HOWTO?
hi all where can I find docs for gnome? basically my question is : how do I start gnome? I have a RH-5.1 system cheers Miguel -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: What's so great about Linux?
*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 6/16/98, at 2:24 PM, William T Wilson wrote: >On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Scott wrote: > >> Only a user who is familair with messing with an OS. I for one don't >> want to think about touching my OS in this manner. I doin't know C nor >> do I have any plans to know. I'll grant you that someone somewhere does >> fix it and updates are more quickly available. > >Whether you are the one that fixes the software or not, the fact remains >that bugs are fixed more aptly. And the tech support is better, too: >there are no support droids in free software. If you find a bug, you can >mail it directly to the author of the code. He'll fix it himself if you >don't. Only my OS has Driods assocaited with it. The rest of my software is supported by compitant individuals. > >> Don't belive what you read. Sticking in the RH 5.0 floppy and having it >> do the install is only the first step in a linux setup. Have that 10 > >It's also only the first step in a Windows setup. True but it gets about 95% done vs about 60-70% > >> do a modular install or do a kernel upgrade or download, modify, and >> install a network card driver. My guess is unless she is a geniuos this > >Who ever has to do this? Nobody really unless they want to or they have >important (advanced) reason to. For example I like to recompile my kernel >without module support for security reasons. So I have to do that. Joe >User finds that Red Hat installs functioning modules for the default >settings for every card it supports. If your card isn't on the default >settings, you have to explicitly reconfigure things. It's the same way >with Windows especially if your cards are non plug-n-play. IMO Windows >still has a significant advantage in dealing with PnP cards because of a >lack of an automated way to configure them in Linux. But I think ISA PnP >cards are a transition technology that will soon be gone altogether >replaced by PCI. (I can hope!) Its almost inpossible to buy a new card that is not PNP. And if a card isn't I won't buy it. Most cards make poor usage fo this feature but they are PnP. Redhat tells me no where how its kernal installs default. It only gives me 2 options in its chapter "next steps after install".. Todo a modular or monolithic compile. My netowrk card (Linksys 10/100 using the PNIC chip) is not supported by Redhat's driver. It requires version .83 or above to work. I had to find it on the net, download it, modify the C code to enable full duplex support and then install it. The installations instructions for a modular kernel install consisted of executing 5 commands and for a monolithic it was recompile the kernel. Redhat's instructions on the monolithic compile are giberish so I'm avoiding that. I chose to do a monolithic kernel to support simple upgardes. I gather from your responce that Redhat has already done this to a point thus poor documentaton lead me to re-compile my kernal.. No biggy since it worked,,just wasted 2 hours of my time. > >> support features as its competition. That includes manufacturer support >> (drivers) and common tools for creating add on programs. I should not >> have to compile programs I download from the net along with 3 libraries > >It's really a conflict between the traditional Unix way and the way that >PC users are accustomed to. The rapid evolution of Linux is an additional >stumbling block to this; most programs are even harder to compile on Linux >than they are on other forms of Unix. This is because of a lack of >standardization. What program authors need to do is distribute along with >source the precompiled RPM of their package. This is becoming >increasingly common for free programs. But major application vendors for >some reason fail to do this. There are no StarOffice RPMs by StarDivision >for Red Hat 5 for reasons which remain completely mysterious to me. >Instead you must bludgeon libraries with a large block of wood, then >sacrifice a chicken at the Temple of Zuul, if you want it to run. I don't >understand this. If you want your program to run on Linux, why don't you >make it easy to install? Absolutley. Even developers of libraries such as Qt don't have RMPs on their web site (atleast not that I could find). I looked on sunday since I wanted to use KDE for Xwindows. It needs Qt libraries and what I found was two pages of ugly installation instructions for Qt. Ihave since found out that there are RPMs for the Qt libraries at Sunsite. I might get to try KDE afterall. Visual basic and Visual C++ might not be the best programing tools in the world but the end result is way esy to install. > >> I think things are starting to turn with support from Linksys (linksys >> offers phone suport for installing their network cards on Linux, states >> Linux as a supported OS on the box but still provides no driver), > >Linksys drivers are included with the kernel. Why include a separate one >in the box? One o
Re: HTML-formatted mail
> >>> As far as I'm concerned, adding bloody HTML tags makes the mail > >>> *harder* to read and certainly doesn't increase its > >>> comprehensibility. > >> > >>Without a doubt. > > > >If you see html tags in the text ... get another mail reader ;) > > Nah, I prefer to excerise the same thing I would do with a message that > otherwise offended me. I hit "Control-D" to delete it and move on to the > next. :) I don't care who writes it whether its a salesperson, a friend, > Stephen Hawking or my mom, they all end up in the bit bucket (and no, I > haven't gotten mail from Stephen, and I highly doubt he would use HTML *grin*) Same here. More than 95% of the e-mail and news posts I have looked at in HTML have looked like crap compared to plain old text. So I quit looking at them. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
SCSI Problems...
I am posting this here, because the manhattan-list will not accept messages... Okay.. I upgraded to 5.1, and my scsi card (Diamond FirePort 40) Doesn't work with the 2.0.34 kernel. I rebooted with my previous 2.0.33 kernel, and it works fine. I recompiled 2.0.34 with the NCR53c8xx support in the kernel, *not* module, and it still doesn't work... My machine is a dual boot machine. I have 2 IDE drives for windows, and a single UW-scsi drive for linux. /boot is on the mbr of the second IDE drive, so the kernel is bootable. Lilo is installed on the MBR of the first IDE drive. All worked fine with RH5.0 and all kernels up to the 2.0.33 I had before I upgraded. Anyone know what the deal is, and how it could be fixed? Randy Carpenter - UNIX Systems Admin First Network Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]Wapakoneta, OH -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Staroffice won't uncompress!
after getting assorted uncompression errors with SO4sp3 both using the wrapper and manually using tar -xvzf, I attempted to just gzip -d the tarball and I get consistantly the error invalid compressed data--crc error I've dnlded from several different sites with the same effect. Has anyone else had this problem? If so, is there an easy solution? Setup: RH5.0, PPro200, gzip1.2.4 TIA Jason Belich -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: printing problems, ppa zip disk, and RH 5.0
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Patrick O'Neil wrote: [snip] > I have an Epson Stylus Color 600 attached to lpt1 as well as > a PPA Zip drive. I installed scsi support for the PPA during > initial install but have not seen, or been able to mount, my > Zip drive. Now, I believe that installing support for this > Zip drive is also the source of my problems printing. If I > use the printtool and try to test print anything, nothing > happens. I have my printer set up as /dev/lp0 but have also > tried /dev/lp1 to no avail. When I try a test print of text > I get a message telling me: > > "Error printing test page to lp > > Error reason: lpr: connect: No such file or directory > Jobs queued, but cannot start daemon." > You will need the following set when you compile your kernel: CONFIG_MODULES=y<--loadable module support CONFIG_KERNELD=y<--autoload of modules CONFIG_SCSI=y <--scsi support CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y <--scsi disk support CONFIG_SCSI_PPA=m <--the scsi/ppa for the Zip CONFIG_SCSI_PPA_HAVE_PEDANTIC=y <--only in 2.0.34 CONFIG_PRINTER=m<--printer support *Note* those that are "m" (modules) *must* be modules, those that are "y" can be "y" or "m" (if "m" is applicable). As for the printer working, I suggest removing the entry as root from the control panel, then recompiling with the above items (and others you may require), then setting up the printer again. Also check to make sure you do not have erroneaous entries in the /var/spool/lpd tree - delete them all (before adding the printer). I have had success with the printer set to /dev/lp1 (/var/spool/lpd/lp), simply "named" lp. YMMV HTH ___ d a v i d @ m i h m reality.sys corrupt! davemann-at-ionet-dot-net reboot universe(y,n)? www.the-site.dyn.ml.org/ICQ:4251923 --- Key fingerprint = E4 90 15 ED E5 9F 18 8A B0 CC FF 68 61 36 4A 6F -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Cannot bind virtual IPs
On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Zhenhua wrote: > Hi, Everyone: > > I tried to use: > > /sbin/ifconfig eth0:1 199.207.158.2 > /sbin/route add -host 199.207.158.2 dev eth0:1 > > to add a virtual IP to the server. > The first command gives error: > SIOCSIFADDR: Invalid argument > The second command gives error: > SIOCADDRT: Operation not supported by device > > Anyone has any idea? > > The box runs Redhat 5.1. Using Intel PCI Pro 10/100 card. > The server network works fine. The eth0 works OK with one > IP number. We try to add a second IP to it. > > I have recompiled the kernel and selected the Intel > network card. It didn't help at all. > When the kernel was recompiled, did you ensure IP Aliasing support was added in? If not, then there's the problem. Anyhow, if you are using RedHat, then just modify the actual /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0* files.. :) copy ifcfg-eth0 to ifcfg-eth0:1 and modify it appropriately.. that will solve any possible arguments you are forgetting.. if it still doesn't bind the second ip properly, I would definately take a look at recompiling the kernel, as that is most likely your problem. +-+ | Kevin Smith x Computer Cafe System Administrator| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] x [EMAIL PROTECTED] x [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | "Once, I was a mudflap... on a truck" | +-+ -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Resolved! (was help with FAT32)
First thanks to all that reponded. Turns out that mount under Linux is different than mount under AmigaOS. 8-) > > Am I doing something dumb here? Anyone have FAT32 working? > > Dunno about the FAT32 part, but generic mount requires that > 1) the /D directory exists (well, DOES it?!) That was indeed the problem as was first pointed out by GateKeepeR News. > 2) that you tell mount 'what' to mount, as in > mount /dev/hda6 /D That's not true if it's defined in /etc/fstab. "mount /D" works just fine now that there's a /D directory to mount to. Thanks again for all the reponses. -- "Nostalgia ain't what it used to be." | _ \ ___ _ _ __ _ | | | |/ _ \| | | |/ _` | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |_| | (_) | |_| | (_| | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |/ \___/ \__,_|\__, | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |___/ -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: SMPT: We do not relay.
On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Robert W. Canary wrote: > Thanks Kevin, > > That did the trick! > > Can you tell me where these files are documented? I found nothin n the man > sendmail about them. they are redhat specific, added in redhat 5.0. Check the documentation (I don't know the exact url) from redhat 5.0, or look in the sendmail.cf file where they added information about them just search the sendmail.cf file for "deny" or "ip_allow" or whatever... :) +-+ | Kevin Smith x Computer Cafe System Administrator| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] x [EMAIL PROTECTED] x [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | "Once, I was a mudflap... on a truck" | +-+ -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: What's so great about Linux?
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Scott wrote: > Only a user who is familair with messing with an OS. I for one don't > want to think about touching my OS in this manner. I doin't know C nor > do I have any plans to know. I'll grant you that someone somewhere does > fix it and updates are more quickly available. Whether you are the one that fixes the software or not, the fact remains that bugs are fixed more aptly. And the tech support is better, too: there are no support droids in free software. If you find a bug, you can mail it directly to the author of the code. He'll fix it himself if you don't. > Don't belive what you read. Sticking in the RH 5.0 floppy and having it > do the install is only the first step in a linux setup. Have that 10 It's also only the first step in a Windows setup. > do a modular install or do a kernel upgrade or download, modify, and > install a network card driver. My guess is unless she is a geniuos this Who ever has to do this? Nobody really unless they want to or they have important (advanced) reason to. For example I like to recompile my kernel without module support for security reasons. So I have to do that. Joe User finds that Red Hat installs functioning modules for the default settings for every card it supports. If your card isn't on the default settings, you have to explicitly reconfigure things. It's the same way with Windows especially if your cards are non plug-n-play. IMO Windows still has a significant advantage in dealing with PnP cards because of a lack of an automated way to configure them in Linux. But I think ISA PnP cards are a transition technology that will soon be gone altogether replaced by PCI. (I can hope!) > support features as its competition. That includes manufacturer support > (drivers) and common tools for creating add on programs. I should not > have to compile programs I download from the net along with 3 libraries It's really a conflict between the traditional Unix way and the way that PC users are accustomed to. The rapid evolution of Linux is an additional stumbling block to this; most programs are even harder to compile on Linux than they are on other forms of Unix. This is because of a lack of standardization. What program authors need to do is distribute along with source the precompiled RPM of their package. This is becoming increasingly common for free programs. But major application vendors for some reason fail to do this. There are no StarOffice RPMs by StarDivision for Red Hat 5 for reasons which remain completely mysterious to me. Instead you must bludgeon libraries with a large block of wood, then sacrifice a chicken at the Temple of Zuul, if you want it to run. I don't understand this. If you want your program to run on Linux, why don't you make it easy to install? > I think things are starting to turn with support from Linksys (linksys > offers phone suport for installing their network cards on Linux, states > Linux as a supported OS on the box but still provides no driver), Linksys drivers are included with the kernel. Why include a separate one in the box? One of the serious technical problems with Windows is that most of it really isn't compatible with the rest of it because every time you install someting, it surreptitiously changes other parts of your system. It is good that the kernel maintainers also handle the drivers. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: PS/2 and RedHat Disks
I booted DosLinux using the bzimage kernel (i didnt find any at the mca site recommend that worked, thanks though, i may need that at a later point) and here is the error that I got which may help you people who know Linux deduce what is wrong and what I need to do to fix it. PS/2 ESDI: DMA above 16MB not supported end_request: I/O error, dir 20:01, sector 498929 There was a page or two of these each one having a different sector. I am also not sure whether dir is dir or some other set of letters, I can't read what I wrote (oops!). Thanks for your patience, LT -- "No man and no force can abolish memory." - Franklin D. Roosevelt Penguin Power! Linux is the OS of the future! LT Grant - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 0x110BCDC5 - UIN #9826505 -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Aztech Sound Card
> "abl" == Alfonso Barreto Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: abl> Does any one have this kind of sound card working, if so , how abl> did you get it works? Thanks a lot There are many different types of "Aztech" sound card, at least half a dozen that I know of. If it is a SG NX Pro or NX Pro 16, see the package "sgbas16cfg" on SunSITE (there is also an entry in the Linux Software Map for it). -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: HTML-formatted mail
At 02:59 PM 6/16/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Deryk Barker wrote: > >> > It really comes down to this: >> > >> > You're either in favor of HTML markup in email, or you're not in favor of >> > email being a very rich method of communication compared to speech. >> >> Oh really? And I say that I *am* against HTML in email and I am in >> favour of email's being a rich method of communication? > > Strong second! Email should ONLY be straight ASCII text. It is hard for me to believe that we are a Linux group with such primitive understanding of technological change. The arguments here sound like what a guy who used to use Morse Code would say about a telephone years ago. "Are you kidding, if people could just talk and talk they would never get to the point. Keeping short simple sentences in morse code is the only way to communicate long distances." ergo ..-. ..- -.-. -.- --- ..-. ..-. > >> > I don't think we should tolerate email remaining in it's outmoded old form >> > when there's such an easy way to increase it's utility for >> > communication. >> >> As far as I'm concerned, adding bloody HTML tags makes the mail >> *harder* to read and certainly doesn't increase its >> comprehensibility. > > Without a doubt. If you see html tags in the text ... get another mail reader ;) > > The bottom line is this: It all revolves around writing skills. >A moderately educated person should be able to express their >thoughts/feelings/wants/desires by using the written word. To use >crutches and gimmicks (such as HTML) is to show a complete lack of written >communications skills. Did Shakespeare need HTML? Did Asimov? Are the >Bible and the Declaration of Independence and the Koran and the Tao >worthless and meaningless because they were written in plane, ordinary >text? > > I know that it is to late to stop HTML encoded email. The genie >is out of the bottle. But it is my contention that someone who must >resort to HTML (or any other kind of fancy formating) in order to express >their thoughts is to be pitied. No moderately educated or intelligent >person would need anything more than plane text for email. Period. Please. Lighten up. The ability to communicate has NOTHING to do with HTML. However, having a link in a mail message that is available with a double-click can be really clean. > >--- >The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new >discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny ..." >-- Isaac Asimov > > >-- > PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! >http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: HTML-formatted mail
> If you see html tags in the text ... get another mail reader ;) > Please. Lighten up. The ability to communicate has NOTHING to do with HTML. > However, having a link in a mail message that is available with a > double-click can be really clean. That's funny, I don't need a message to be in HTML to be able to open a URL from my MUA (Mutt). If this is your only reason to have HTML embedded in email, perhaps it is not us `Luddites' who should get a different mail reader. Regards, Blair. --- end message --- Blair Craft Computer Technician College Heights Secondary School [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
What makes linux so good?
There was recently a thread on what makes linux so good...I'm putting together a faq and would like to use several of those messages. Does anyone have some of these? thanks! Chris <- Visit Me At http://home.hiwaay.net/~jfrost -> <-- For My Public PGP Key Visit http://home.hiwaay.net/~jfrost/pgp_key.txt --> -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: GNOME HOWTO?
> "p" == pancho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: p> hi all p> where can I find docs for gnome? p> basically my question is : how do I start gnome? Check out http://www.gnome.org for the FAQ and info. But basicly try 'panel' to start the WM or you can call any of the apps like 'ee' seperately. -- Curtis Consulting mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.clark.net/pub/ray Immigration is the sincerest form of flattery. -- Jack Paar -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: PS/2 and RedHat Disks
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Mike Edwards wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, LT wrote: > > > Mike, > > I was e-mailing back and forth with Pat Volkerding, a main guy with > > Slackware, and he led me to believe it could be done. I am currently > > getting tripped up on too much ram. Odd problem, 'eh. Does anyone know if > > Mike's statement is true though, I may be wrong. > > [snip] > > > > > > >> To Whom That This is Read by, > > >> My computer is a PS/2 with ESDI drives (i think, they use eda when > > > > > >Last I heard, Linux won't run on the PS/2--at least not the latest > > >kernels. > > I stand corrected! I even had a bookmark buried away that points to the > Micro Channel Linux page. If you haven't seen this one, it's at > http://glycerine.itsmm.uni.edu/mca/ > > It looks like they have quite abit of info There was also a short article in the May 1997 Issue of the Linux Journal, "Linux on the PS/2" written by David Weis (pp 12-13). David used Christopher Beauregard's Web Site (the above URL Mike mentions) by as source of information on MCA Linux. Personally I do NOT have access to recent PS/2, hence I can make this an "interesting" project! Lawrence Houston - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
RE: newbie HELP
You have soundboards at Wal-mart? *gulp* At our local village shop we once managed to buy an inflatable dinghy. We asked jokingly if they had one & they said, "Sure, what colour?" > From: Paul Pettit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: newbie HELP > The solution I ended up actually using was this: > > Traded my cheap soundboard and Mitsumi CD to a Windows 95 user for a > quad-speed ATAPI, and bought a Logitech Soundman Wave to replace the sound > board. > > Total expense: $97 (Wal-mart at 4am for the soundboard). -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
3c590 and PCI-SCSI card confict IRQ conflict
Hi, I think this might be a known problem but I'm not sure of the solution. We're setting up a new fileserver using RH5.1 on a p133 with a 3com 3c590 PCI 10/100 ethernet card and a Mylex/Buslogic SCSI controller. The ethernet card and the SCSI controller are both PCI, and both _really_ want to claim IRQ 11. I think that this should be workable under PCI (right?), but at the moment any command I try to send to eth0 returns a SCSI error. So, what's the way around a shared PCI IRQ? Is this something that a lilo append line will address, and if so, what kind of lilo append line? TIA, michael -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: X no longer works after 5.1 updates.
My X no longer works either. i also upgraded from 5.0. On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Jeremy Hansen wrote: > > X no longer works after 5.1 updates, for me anyway. I can't > figure out what I did either. XF86_SVGA when excuted directly > just give me a core dump. > > The thing is, I use Accelerated X too, and that no longer works > either. > > Any clue or hints on what to look at? Anyone having problems? > > Thanks > -jeremy > > > http://www.xxedgexx.com | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | pgp available from: > | http://www.xxedgexx.com/pgp.html > > > -- > PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! > http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >"unsubscribe" as the Subject. > -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: HTML-formatted mail
At 02:29 PM 6/16/98 -0600, David Hauck wrote: >>> As far as I'm concerned, adding bloody HTML tags makes the mail >>> *harder* to read and certainly doesn't increase its >>> comprehensibility. >> >> Without a doubt. > >If you see html tags in the text ... get another mail reader ;) Nah, I prefer to excerise the same thing I would do with a message that otherwise offended me. I hit "Control-D" to delete it and move on to the next. :) I don't care who writes it whether its a salesperson, a friend, Stephen Hawking or my mom, they all end up in the bit bucket (and no, I haven't gotten mail from Stephen, and I highly doubt he would use HTML *grin*) -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: 3c590 and PCI-SCSI card confict IRQ conflict
I had a similar problem. I reserved the IRQ for ISA in the BIOS , forcing the PCI cards to use anobther IRQ. Steve Smith National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Blvd/|\ Golden, CO 80401 * * * <--* *--> NREL * * Phone: (303)384-6625 * FAX: (303)384-6604 \|/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nsom.eecs.umich.edu/~steve/ -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
RE: Tape Backups for Linux (RH 5.0)
Well, I can't comment specifically on Linux being a brand newbie myself, but under NT IOmega will charge you additional (I think about $100) for the NT driver for the Ditto(tm) tape drives. You also will not be able to format the tapes, AND have to buy their tapes (preformatted of course). On the other hand you may be able to find the drivers somewhere on the net, and I did find a good deal on the tapes on www.ebay.com. Based upon all that I would venture a guess that IOmega won't play well on Linux. HTH == Joseph P. Merten| Good decisions come from experience. Sea Land 704-571-2333 | Experience comes from bad decisions. > -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 1:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Tape Backups for Linux (RH 5.0) > > To All: > > I'm getting ready to purchase a back up tape drive for my Linux / NT. > They > are having a big sale on the Iomega 2GB drives, will these work for my > system > configuration? I know they have software upgrades for the NT side, > but can I > expect to have a good, reliable drive for my Linux data as well? > Anybody have > any insights? Is anyone using an Iomega tape drive with their Linux? > > Many thanks in advance; > > C.A. Uncler > -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
newbie help with netscape-communicator4.05 print command
Hi, I've installed netscape-communicator 4.05, and all seems to be working fine, except for the print command. I have a local printer, and when I try to print from netscape, it brings up the print window, and uses the printer command lpr. When I click ok to print, nothing happens. lpr works fine from an xterm window. Does anyone have any ideas on what I need to do to fix this? TIA Paul -- Paul J. Kersting KW Consulting, Inc. - Fuel Rod Expertise for the Nuclear Power Industry E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]WWW: www.kwconsulting.com (412) 635-7333 (voice) (412) 367-2195 (fax) -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
XBF X-server announcement
Re the recent announcement at Red Hat's web site: The announcement seems to have been written a little hastily. They vaguely announce a solution for people with graphics cards from snotty companies, then explain why everybody should publish source code for their video card drivers, then nothing more really. Judging from the name of the program, is this announcement saying that Red Hat is going to start releasing X servers without source code for certain as-yet unsupported cards? --=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=-- Greg Fall [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~gmfall -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
RE: Wired picks up the OS/Manufacturer debate
Just a quick thank you to you personally. I can't speak for others on the list, but I really appreciate hearing about this! Beth Gemeny SysAdmin HHN > -Original Message- > From: Michael R. Steigman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 8:34 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Wired picks up the OS/Manufacturer debate > > > > This story just appeared on Wired News: > http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/12990.html > > __ > > michael steigman > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.cs.umb.edu/~ms > > > > -- > PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING > LIST ARCHIVES! > http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips > /mailing-lists > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >"unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: PS/2 and RedHat Disks
Mike, I was e-mailing back and forth with Pat Volkerding, a main guy with Slackware, and he led me to believe it could be done. I am currently getting tripped up on too much ram. Odd problem, 'eh. Does anyone know if Mike's statement is true though, I may be wrong. LT ps - i am trying to unistall one of my ram cards to see if that will work. At 09:43 AM 6/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, LT wrote: > >> To Whom That This is Read by, >> My computer is a PS/2 with ESDI drives (i think, they use eda when > >Last I heard, Linux won't run on the PS/2--at least not the latest >kernels. > >Mike > >== >Mike Edwards, MIS >Edwards Graphic Arts, Inc. >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Mouse in X
Darque wrote: > > I finally went out and popped for a shiny, new, 3-button, Mouse Systems > mouse. With gpm, I seem to have it working fine in a VC, but when I load > X, it freaks. The pointer is uncontrollable, and for the most part the > buttons don't work at all. Can someone tell me what i need to do to > reconfig X for my new mouse?? > > Thanks! > jdk > let me guess - ps/2 port? -- --- James Michael Keller| [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] (c)1998 All rights reserved | http://www.radix.net/~jmkeller --- -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Mouse in X
On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 11:18:53PM +0800, ac wrote: > > you must've selected the wrong protocol. try experimenting with the others > and see which one works. the easiest way to do this is via > X86Setup (for X 3.3.2). > gl. > I'll try this. I had only tried mouseconfig. And since you brought up version, I think I am running the previous release of X, is there any pressing reason to upgrade? Thanks, jdk -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Mouse in X
On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 09:20:15AM -0500, Matt Housh wrote: > > Have you tried running X without gpm? > No I didn't. I'll have to give it a try when I get back home. I had read something about that, but it was in reference to a bus mouse problem and didn't think it was needed in this case. Thanks! jdk > On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Darque wrote: > > I finally went out and popped for a shiny, new, 3-button, Mouse Systems > > mouse. With gpm, I seem to have it working fine in a VC, but when I load > > X, it freaks. The pointer is uncontrollable, and for the most part the > > buttons don't work at all. Can someone tell me what i need to do to > > reconfig X for my new mouse?? -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Mouse in X
On Tue, Jun 16, 1998 at 09:17:06AM -0500, Vidiot wrote: > >buttons don't work at all. Can someone tell me what i need to do to > >reconfig X for my new mouse?? > >jdk > > PS/2 or serial? > 9 pin serial(cua0) jdk -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Wired picks up the OS/Manufacturer debate
This story just appeared on Wired News: http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/12990.html __ michael steigman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.umb.edu/~ms -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: rh5 and staroffcie and libc6
David Taylor wrote: > I found some rpm's for libc5 at the Freshmeat web site. I don't know if > there were any libc6 rpm's, though. But it would be worth a look if > you're trying to avoid using tar files. I once loaded an rpm with libc.5.4.44 and all and the rpm script blew away all my /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib files. It was a 4.2 rpm with explains why the scripts do bad things on the newer Redhat. You probably can install the rpm with --noscripts and then manually move the /lib/libc.5.4.44 and /lib/lib.5.0.9 files to /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib This also worked for me. -Eric Wood -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Unidentified subject!
Hi all, I'm newish to the Linux world but am slowley making my way. I just would like to know how to set the background bitmap on X. Im using RH5.0 and Afterstep. I know its something to do with .xinitrc in my home directory but I'm not sure but is it something to do with xsetroot? TIA Russell Foster Russell, Edit your .steprc file as follows: Change the line that reads: Exec "I" exec xsetroot -solid DarkGrey to something like this: Exec "I" exec xv -root -quit /usr/lib/X11/afterstep/backgrounds/rope.weave.jpg Add any jpg to this directory and use its filename in place of rope.weave, and you're off. This changes in AfterStep-1.4.5.3-2 which ships with Redhat 5.1, but IMHP it gets easier. Good luck. Have a good day! -Vicki /// (. .) +=oOO-(_)-OOo==+ |Vicki StanfieldE-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | |"We are what we repeatedly do." | | - Aristotle | +--+ "I wanna get lost in your Rock 'N Roll and drift away." --Dobie Gray -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: What's so great about Linux?
*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 6/16/98, at 6:56 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: >The short answer is "the same things are that great about Unix". > >Briefly: > >1. It comes with source code, the most powerful support tool known. >Unix/Linux users don't have to report bugs to clueless phone-answering >droids who then mis-transcribe them, incorrectly categorize them, and >hand them off to overworked software teams who ignore them for years >at a time. They just fix them. > Only a user who is familair with messing with an OS. I for one don't want to think about touching my OS in this manner. I doin't know C nor do I have any plans to know. I'll grant you that someone somewhere does fix it and updates are more quickly available. >2. It scales. No OS in the history of computing has a history of >scalability like Unix/Linux, which has run on everything from Z80s >to Crays. Unix/Linux has also had support for multiprocessor >systems since 1980 (George Goble/Mike Marsh Dual-CPU Vax 11/780) >and support for MIMD multiprocessor systems since 1987 (16-CPU >Sequent Balance). > >3. It's robust and reliable. Contrast with other operating systems >which are frequently crashed by application software. Note that >Unix/Linux systems have a *long* track record of staying up until >somebody deliberately takes them down. > >4. It is not a single-vendor OS. There are at least half a dozen >major varieties of free Unix/Linux implementations to choose from. >Healthy competition between these drives innovation and prevents >ruthless domination of the market by any one of them. > >5. It is rapidly evolving. No company in the world can muster >a development effort that's within an order of magnitude of that >being put into Unix/Linux 24 hours a day, around the planet. >What they cannot do for money, hundreds of thousands of programmers >are doing for joy. > >6. It is THE Internet platform. All significant Internet technologies >have been developed on Unix/Linux (no surprise: Unix was originally >designed as a "programmer's workbench") and there is no reason to >expect this to change. Consider: Usenet news, NNTP, Mosaic (first >GUI browser), Kerberos, archie, gopher, Perl, tcl/tk, HTML, HTTP, >VRML, WAIS, IRC, NFS, SNMP, PGP, Java, LDAP, MIME...and while not >*invented* there, TCP/IP sure came a long way while in the hands of >the CSRG group at Berkeley, who implemented it in the BSD Unix kernel >and were responsible for popularizing it. > >7. It is well-designed. Unix's original design, separating kernel >from shell and shell from utilities, isolating device dependencies >into drivers, etc., is such that it's possible to improve/modify >portions of the OS with a high probability that nothing else will >be broken as a consequence. > >8. It performs. Unix/Linux squeezes far more performance out of >the hardware than competing OS's. This has been true since the >days when it competed against VMS on Vaxen; it's still true now. > >9. It's free. > >10. While it's a terrific platform for experimentation, it is >not necessarily a hacker's OS. Given that one recent article in >InfoWorld explained how the author's 10-year-old daughter installed >it in two hours, it's time to drop words like "geek" and "hacker" >from Linux articles. It's as much (and IMHO, more) of a production-grade >OS as anything else available. Don't belive what you read. Sticking in the RH 5.0 floppy and having it do the install is only the first step in a linux setup. Have that 10 year old do a modular install or do a kernel upgrade or download, modify, and install a network card driver. My guess is unless she is a geniuos this is way out of her league. Linux is NOT production grade yet. Yes RH does come with a pretty good install but the OS istelf still requies a great deal of "maintenance and tweaking" to get it working. Far more than its competition (NT, OS/2 and 95) For Linux to be concidered a "Production-grade" OS it must offer the same or similair installation and support features as its competition. That includes manufacturer support (drivers) and common tools for creating add on programs. I should not have to compile programs I download from the net along with 3 libraries that wre used to create it. This may give the OS and some users power but it is a BIG inhibiter of it going mainstream and gaining the support that I think it it deserves. If that is not possible do to the different flavors of Linux then a common "compile/install" tool needs to be developed that keeps those of use who could care less how that all works from being bothered by it. (RPM is a step in the right direction) The OS is a platofrm for me to run tools. Learning how to compile kernels and drivers may expand my knowkledge but it makes me no more productuve at my job or computer related hobbies it just takes time I don't want to spend on that stuff. If others out there like downing it the "old fashioned way" then don't use the tool. I think things a
reinstalling linux???
any special precations if I am going to reinstall my RH5 install?? The server is a web server, all it has are a few user's dirs that i need to keep. I already backed it up, anything else? -Matt -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Error running Majordomo on Redhat
At 10:12 AM 6/15/98 +, you wrote: >> : Error reply from email. >> : The original message was received at Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:32:47 +0930 from q.northside.net.au [203.38.164.218] >> : - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - >> : "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" >> : (expanded from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >> : - Transcript of session follows - >> : sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs >> : 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper majordomo" ... Service unavailable Look through the perl scripts that do this. When I upgraded from an older perl to the current version, still in 5.004 though, it broke something in majordomo. I hunted through the code and found the error. I think I just had to comment something out. Sorry I don't have time to go through the code again for you, but this should at least give you something to look at. Pete Peter Kulupka Systems Development Computer User Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: rh5 and staroffcie and libc6
> There's no rpm to upgrade libc on a RH 5.x machine as far as I know. So > you have to find the tarball. I found some rpm's for libc5 at the Freshmeat web site. I don't know if there were any libc6 rpm's, though. But it would be worth a look if you're trying to avoid using tar files. Regards, David Taylor. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
FW: NE2000 clone
I just had to install the same type card myself. You may need to do a DOS boot so that you can run whatever software came with your card in order to change it's IRQ... unless it has jumpers on the card where you can set the IRQ manually. FWIW, Beth Gemeny SysAdmin HHN -Original Message- From: Crucial Lloyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 15, 1998 11:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NE2000 clone Help I am having problem instaling a NE2000 clone ethernet card. I tried several suggestions that I got from the mail list and now I discover that that I have an irq conflict. The info showed when I type cat /proc/pci that the ethernet card is using io=0x6400, irq=11 and my usb port is using the same irq. Do you have any suggestion as to how I can resolve this conflict. Chicago Massive tune in to Cool Runnings with Crucial Lloyd and Ms Irie 5:00-6:30 PM every Tuesday on WHPK 88.5FM. Cyberspace visit our web site at http://coolcrew.com/ -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: PS/2 and RedHat Disks
On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, LT wrote: > To Whom That This is Read by, > My computer is a PS/2 with ESDI drives (i think, they use eda when Last I heard, Linux won't run on the PS/2--at least not the latest kernels. Mike == Mike Edwards, MIS Edwards Graphic Arts, Inc. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
RE: S3 Virge-GX/2 and X
And another update !!! The VIRGE/GX2 is supported in the 3.3.2 release from Xfree86.org... Jon -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: SMPT: We do not relay.
It seems you have some anti spam rules engaged on your system, there is already a quite nice email in my box from this list explaining what it is so I'll skip over that. (Congrats to the newborn on the list, btw!) However, if you are using RedHat Linux 5.1 as your dialin server it comes with some anti-forwarding rules in it's sedmail.cf file. Try looking at http://www.redhat.com/support and looking in the RHL 5.1 Users Guide which explains what spam is and what the specific rules are in the sendmail.cf file. If you installed support documentation, it will also be in /usr/doc/HTML or it is on the CD if you have it. nathan hruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.echonyc.com/~lost/ On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Robert W. Canary wrote: > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:19:22 -0500 > From: "Robert W. Canary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: SMPT: We do not relay. > Resent-Date: 16 Jun 1998 00:25:24 - > Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; > > Hi, > > I have about 15 dialin users. All accounts are ppp. Since I do not > have a permenant IP I don't offer email. However, I have paticular > free email service from www.netaddress.com that also uses a pop3 server. > > Why dialin users configure thier mail clients as folows: > outgoing (SMPT) mail.ohiocounty.net <- me (netaddress.com has no > SMPT) > incomming (POP3) pop.netaddress.com > email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > reply to email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Now here is the problem: > Whenever a dialin user tries to send mail it a popup reply that says > "The server responded: We do not relay." This *only* happens for > dialin. I can send mail from the this terminal just fine. This > terminal has the same configuration as the dialin user would have. > > Can anyone shed some light on how to correct this problem? > > thanks in advance > -- > robert > > p.s are there any other mailing list I be able to post this question? > > > -- > PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! > http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >"unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
printing problems, ppa zip disk, and RH 5.0
I have finally gotten my RH system configured and ALMOST up to full functionality. I do have a problem with printing, however. I have an Epson Stylus Color 600 attached to lpt1 as well as a PPA Zip drive. I installed scsi support for the PPA during initial install but have not seen, or been able to mount, my Zip drive. Now, I believe that installing support for this Zip drive is also the source of my problems printing. If I use the printtool and try to test print anything, nothing happens. I have my printer set up as /dev/lp0 but have also tried /dev/lp1 to no avail. When I try a test print of text I get a message telling me: "Error printing test page to lp Error reason: lpr: connect: No such file or directory Jobs queued, but cannot start daemon." The printer is properly attached (I can print without problems in OS/2). I thought I read somewhere that there is a problem or trick to printing when the port is shared with a Zip drive but am not certain. What am I doing wrong? First, where do I look for my zip drive so I can mount/umount it? How do I get my printer working under the circumstances? Thanks for any aid and guidance, patrick -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
RE: mailq
If you are using sendmail default install I can tell you. Stop mail Go to /usr/spool/mqueue and in their there should be three files rm these files. and restart mail. Becareful though. You may get irate users in you delete the wrong mail. Do a ls -l to see size of files. If you have not got this directory and you use sendmail check out your sendmail.cf file in /etc and do a search for "QueueDirectory" Varible. HTH joe. > -Original Message- > From: Sahar Nitzan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 16 June 1998 12:31 > To: 'rehadt-mail list' > Subject: mailq > > Hi all > I have a large e-mail message (around 100mb) that somebody in my > organization send. > This e-mail is stuck and hangs my e-mail server . > When I kill the process the server is o.k. but the mailq send it back > again. > How can I clean the mailq so the e-mail won't come back on again > Thanks sahar > > > -- > PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST > ARCHIVES! > http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips > /mailing-lists > To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with >"unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
Re: Newbie Question : How do I put some wallpaper in X?
you could use xsetbg, which is a front end to xsetroot (I think!), it will wallpaper for you and put a jpeg or a few other formats of image files on your root window. Steve Steve Smith National Renewable Energy Laboratory 1617 Cole Blvd/|\ Golden, CO 80401 * * * <--* *--> NREL * * Phone: (303)384-6625 * FAX: (303)384-6604 \|/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nsom.eecs.umich.edu/~steve/ -- PLEASE read the Red Hat FAQ, Tips, Errata and the MAILING LIST ARCHIVES! http://www.redhat.com/RedHat-FAQ /RedHat-Errata /RedHat-Tips /mailing-lists To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe" as the Subject.
