Re: amanda installation
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Jianping Zhu wrote: I have three redhat 7.3 boxes, b1 b2 b3, only b1 has tape drive, I want install amanda for three machines backup system to tape. I can install amanda-2.4.2p2-7.i386.rpm on b1, what should i install on b2, b3, in order to do backup? Thanks You need amanda and amanda-server RPMs on b1, and amanda and amanda-client RPMs on b2 and b3. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: amanda installati
Thanks. One more question is that if i install amanda from source code, do i also need to install amanda and amanda client on client machine and install amanda and amanda server in server machine? Thanks On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Jianping Zhu wrote: I have three redhat 7.3 boxes, b1 b2 b3, only b1 has tape drive, I want install amanda for three machines backup system to tape. I can install amanda-2.4.2p2-7.i386.rpm on b1, what should i install on b2, b3, in order to do backup? Thanks You need amanda and amanda-server RPMs on b1, and amanda and amanda-client RPMs on b2 and b3. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list Jianping Zhu Department of Computer Science Univerity of Georgia Athens, GA 30602 Tel 706 5423900 -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: amanda?
Hi Kaya, Yes I would tink so as you can specify just about anything for backup media -- if it is a device known to linux, thanit should be acceptable. Try posting to amandas forum. Cheers Christopher CUSE RHCE/CCNA -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kaya BykelenSent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: amanda? Hello, Does amanda support iomega zipdrive? Anyone tried before? Regards, Kaya Bykelen - Eurow Otomasyon Bilgi Teknolojileri Tel: (216) 315 5072 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.eurow.net -
RE: amanda?
So does anyone knows if linux supports iomega? If it does, I will buy it :-) Else I need a tape drive :) Regards, Kaya Bykelen - Eurow Otomasyon Bilgi Teknolojileri Tel: (216) 315 5072 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.eurow.net - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of christopher cuse Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: amanda? Hi Kaya, Yes I would tink so as you can specify just about anything for backup media -- if it is a device known to linux, thanit should be acceptable. Try posting to amandas forum. Cheers Christopher CUSE RHCE/CCNA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kaya Bykelen Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: amanda? Hello, Does amanda support iomega zipdrive? Anyone tried before? Regards, Kaya Bykelen - Eurow Otomasyon Bilgi Teknolojileri Tel: (216) 315 5072 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.eurow.net -
RE: amanda?
If you go the their site Amanda.org and looking at the mailing list archive, there are documents posted there on how to do backups to disk which is basically how Iomega is looked at, as a disk. ?To find the document I did a search for backup to hard disk And it was within the first page of results. Larry S. Brown Dimension Networks, Inc. (727) 723-8388 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kaya Bykelen Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: amanda? So does anyone knows if linux supports iomega? If it does, I will buy it :-) Else I need a tape drive :) Regards, Kaya Bykelen - Eurow Otomasyon Bilgi Teknolojileri Tel: (216) 315 5072 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.eurow.net - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of christopher cuse Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: amanda? Hi Kaya, Yes I would tink so as you can specify just about anything for backup media -- if it is a device known to linux, thanit should be acceptable. Try posting to amandas forum. Cheers Christopher CUSE RHCE/CCNA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kaya Bykelen Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: amanda? Hello, Does amanda support iomega zipdrive? Anyone tried before? Regards, Kaya Bykelen - Eurow Otomasyon Bilgi Teknolojileri Tel: (216) 315 5072 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.eurow.net -
Re: Amanda Backups
I've found that AMANDA is only good for backing up data on smb shares, I don't think you would want to use it to try a bare metal recovery of a windows machine. I used to backup some smb shares with it and I remember that some files never got backed up cleanly. On Thu, 2002-07-18 at 10:09, Javier Gostling wrote: On 2002.07.17 21:08 Patrick May wrote: What exactly are you trying to back up that needs proving? Across the network, even to SMB clients (Windows) can be done. I backup the local machine (with the tape drive) and a Windows 98 client. Quick question. How does AMANDA handle open files on SMB clients? This regarding things like the Windows registry, etc. Cheers, -- Javier Gostling Ingeniero de Sistemas Virtualia S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fono: +56 (2) 202-6264 x 130 Fax: +56 (2) 342-8763 Av. Kennedy 5757, of 1502 Las Condes Santiago Chile ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- Jeff Bearer, RHCE Webmaster, PittsburghLIVE.com 2002 EPpy Award Winner, Best Newspaper Website ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda Backups
On 2002.07.17 21:08 Patrick May wrote: What exactly are you trying to back up that needs proving? Across the network, even to SMB clients (Windows) can be done. I backup the local machine (with the tape drive) and a Windows 98 client. Quick question. How does AMANDA handle open files on SMB clients? This regarding things like the Windows registry, etc. Cheers, -- Javier Gostling Ingeniero de Sistemas Virtualia S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fono: +56 (2) 202-6264 x 130 Fax: +56 (2) 342-8763 Av. Kennedy 5757, of 1502 Las Condes Santiago Chile ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda Backups
I'd refer you to amanda.org for a discussion of the internal workings of amanda. The user list is, as has been mentioned earlier on this thread, very helpful. Javier Gostling wrote: On 2002.07.17 21:08 Patrick May wrote: What exactly are you trying to back up that needs proving? Across the network, even to SMB clients (Windows) can be done. I backup the local machine (with the tape drive) and a Windows 98 client. Quick question. How does AMANDA handle open files on SMB clients? This regarding things like the Windows registry, etc. Cheers, -- Matthew Boeckman(816) 777-2160 Manager - Systems Integration Saepio Technologies ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda Backups
I am on the AMANDA list that another poster mentioned. From what I gather, AMANDA, in the latest beta, can do back-ups to disk (which is what you would want to do in your proof. What exactly are you trying to back up that needs proving? Across the network, even to SMB clients (Windows) can be done. I backup the local machine (with the tape drive) and a Windows 98 client. Having used AMANDA for a year now, and being on the list, I'm not sure what AMANDA can't do. Well, the only thing I know that it won't do is spanning a single file system across multiple tapes. You would need multiple disk entries to back it up. Patrick On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 00:30, Burgess, Adam wrote: Can someone help me, i'm trying to setup a backup machine using amanda on RH7, before we go out and get a dedicated machine to run the backups on i need to prove it can be down. The problem i have is the media i have to use, i have zip disks (tape will be used on the dedicated machine) since it's whats laying around. Can it be done with amanda and if so how. Thanks Adam ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda Backups
On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 02:30, Burgess, Adam wrote: Can someone help me, i'm trying to setup a backup machine using amanda on RH7, before we go out and get a dedicated machine to run the backups on i need to prove it can be down. The problem i have is the media i have to use, i have zip disks (tape will be used on the dedicated machine) since it's whats laying around. Can it be done with amanda and if so how. Thanks Adam Adam - try the amanda list at amanda.org they are really helpful and the primary author and other developers are there. I have no idea if you can use a zip disk. My guess is no but seems like I was wrong once before :) Bret ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda Backups
prove it can be down ?done? I wouldn't call backing up to zip disks an accurate proof that you have it working. you can setup amanda to run backups to the holding disk. but it's still going to be a tough proof. check this out. http://www.backupcentral.com/amanda.html On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 03:30, Burgess, Adam wrote: Can someone help me, i'm trying to setup a backup machine using amanda on RH7, before we go out and get a dedicated machine to run the backups on i need to prove it can be down. The problem i have is the media i have to use, i have zip disks (tape will be used on the dedicated machine) since it's whats laying around. Can it be done with amanda and if so how. Thanks Adam -- Jeff Bearer, RHCE Webmaster, PittsburghLIVE.com 2002 EPpy Award Winner, Best Newspaper Website ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda, dump, kernel 2.4, ext3, uncertainty
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Ray Curtis wrote: ms == Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ms On 2 Jul 2002, Gordon Messmer wrote: On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 12:45, Ray Curtis wrote: Yes, Amanda will make very reliable backups on your network, and yes dump is broken. However Amanda being the very powerful system it is, look to tar, cpio as alternatives. Bitch is that filesystems with extended attributes need to be backed up by their specific version of dump. Tar and cpio aren't going to know how to back up the extended attributes. From that point of view, Linux 2.4 is broken. Badly, it seems. ms So is there a recommended course of action hidden here? Should I be using ms tar or cpio with amanda or something else entirely? Sure go ahead and use Amanda, it was only pointed out that dump is broken with the 2.4 kernel, but that will apply to any software using dump. Go ahead and use Amanda with tar, it is a good package, the only reason some prefer Arkeia, Bru is that Amanda has no gui frontend. But amanda is used by many sys-admins to backup both small and large networks. OK Thanks. BTW, found a note in the Amanda mailing list (where this is a recurring flame fest) referring to a note on one of the kernel mailing lists that the cache-coherence problem with dump was resolved as of Linus's 2.4.11. I don't know if that fix is universal (or at least in Red Hat's kernels) now with 2.4.18, but if so, it reduces the problem somewhat. Now, as I understand it, at least dump will make correct backups of unmounted file systems or in single user mode. Quiescent mounted file systems should also be OK. Not sure yet of the impact on ext3 file systems, though, but it seems like it ought to be the same. I'll probably stick with tar, though I understand it's slower. Is Gordon's comment about extended FS attributes a reference to non-ext2 FS's? Are there other disadvantages to using tar with Amanda? Thanks. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda, dump, kernel 2.4, ext3, uncertainty
On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 22:25, Ray Curtis wrote: ms == Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ms On 2 Jul 2002, Gordon Messmer wrote: On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 12:45, Ray Curtis wrote: Yes, Amanda will make very reliable backups on your network, and yes dump is broken. However Amanda being the very powerful system it is, look to tar, cpio as alternatives. Bitch is that filesystems with extended attributes need to be backed up by their specific version of dump. Tar and cpio aren't going to know how to back up the extended attributes. From that point of view, Linux 2.4 is broken. Badly, it seems. We use amanda on to backup all our servers (currently 6.x) I have been waiting for a lull in the workload to upgrade to 7.[2,3] so we can use ext3 and all the latest versions of software. From the sounds of this thread dump is broken and tar (what I currently use as the backup program used by amanda) will not understand extended attributes. Does ext3 have these extended attributes and therefor not e properly backed up with amanda using tar? Bret ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda, dump, kernel 2.4, ext3, uncertainty
On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 06:46, Matthew Saltzman wrote: I'll probably stick with tar, though I understand it's slower. Is Gordon's comment about extended FS attributes a reference to non-ext2 FS's? Are there other disadvantages to using tar with Amanda? Specifically, I was referring to XFS with ACL's, which I use. However, any FS with extended attributes will not be backed up correctly by anything other than the fs-specific dump. Another FS with extended attributes is ext3, as patched by the group at http://acl.bestbits.at/ (down at the moment?). They do not provide a dump utility for backup, but they do provide star which will get ACL's, but not other extended attributes. ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda, dump, kernel 2.4, ext3, uncertainty
ms == Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ms I am looking at instituting Amanda-based backups on a small network. ms Amanda uses dump to actually back up the files. I've seen various ms references to problems with the reliability of dump with kernel 2.4 and/or ms ext3. For example, I'ver heard tell that Linus says that dump in kernel ms 2.4 is badly broken, or words to that effect. So, the question is, Can ms Amanda make reliable backups using dump in RHL 7.3? If not, what's the ms best (preferably free) solution? Yes, Amanda will make very reliable backups on your network, and yes dump is broken. However Amanda being the very powerful system it is, look to tar, cpio as alternatives. -- Ray Curtis mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ccux.com ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda, dump, kernel 2.4, ext3, uncertainty
On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 12:45, Ray Curtis wrote: Yes, Amanda will make very reliable backups on your network, and yes dump is broken. However Amanda being the very powerful system it is, look to tar, cpio as alternatives. Bitch is that filesystems with extended attributes need to be backed up by their specific version of dump. Tar and cpio aren't going to know how to back up the extended attributes. From that point of view, Linux 2.4 is broken. Badly, it seems. ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda, dump, kernel 2.4, ext3, uncertainty
On 2 Jul 2002, Gordon Messmer wrote: On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 12:45, Ray Curtis wrote: Yes, Amanda will make very reliable backups on your network, and yes dump is broken. However Amanda being the very powerful system it is, look to tar, cpio as alternatives. Bitch is that filesystems with extended attributes need to be backed up by their specific version of dump. Tar and cpio aren't going to know how to back up the extended attributes. From that point of view, Linux 2.4 is broken. Badly, it seems. So is there a recommended course of action hidden here? Should I be using tar or cpio with amanda or something else entirely? Thanks. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Amanda, dump, kernel 2.4, ext3, uncertainty
ms == Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ms On 2 Jul 2002, Gordon Messmer wrote: On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 12:45, Ray Curtis wrote: Yes, Amanda will make very reliable backups on your network, and yes dump is broken. However Amanda being the very powerful system it is, look to tar, cpio as alternatives. Bitch is that filesystems with extended attributes need to be backed up by their specific version of dump. Tar and cpio aren't going to know how to back up the extended attributes. From that point of view, Linux 2.4 is broken. Badly, it seems. ms So is there a recommended course of action hidden here? Should I be using ms tar or cpio with amanda or something else entirely? Sure go ahead and use Amanda, it was only pointed out that dump is broken with the 2.4 kernel, but that will apply to any software using dump. Go ahead and use Amanda with tar, it is a good package, the only reason some prefer Arkeia, Bru is that Amanda has no gui frontend. But amanda is used by many sys-admins to backup both small and large networks. -- Ray Curtis mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ccux.com ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
