Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows
My main problem is I host palace chat servers, so I obviously need to be able to use the palace chat client. There is no linux version, and the people who created it no longer exist. I've tried downloading wine before and running it, and.. about half of it works. backgrounds won't download stuff like that, and that's simply not adequte. I am curious if anyone would do me a large favor, if I were to provide them with the palace client try it under the Crossover wine, or whatever it is, and see if it functions correctly.. To obtain it.. please contact me aim: korruptdotcom icq: 56295559 - Thank You, Jesse Angell Founder, PalaceUnlimited.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows Are there particular applications or peripherals you use, or would like to use, that work under Windows or Mac OS, but still there are no solutions for under Linux? With Crossover Office, which provides a Win32 emulation layer, the application barrier has been pretty much obliterated. As for peripherals, the only problem I've ever seen is with WinModems. As a Linux user, I often feel strangled when I have to work on a Windows platform, because everything that you might want to do you have to pay extra money for. Print to PDF? Mo money. Use office applications? More money. Do diagramming? More money. Do computer graphics? More money. Do basic database work? More money. Move my basic database onto a more advanced platform? More money. Do accounting? more money. Build applications? More money. Sometimes I can find such software for Windows, but the hassle of having to locate and install it, and the fact that it only works half as well as with Linux makes it a tough choice. With Linux, I just find the distribution that matches my needs, and for about $100 I have all the applications I ever wanted, preinstalled, and supported. Some people don't understand the Linux desktop, but I don't understand how anyone manages to get anything done in Windows. It's like the whole thing is set up to make as many roadblocks to getting work done as possible. For example, on Windows, every application tries to have it's own splash screen, even if it's a small utility. This is a pain because I just want it to open and run. As I said, it's like they are putting up roadblocks. And when I want something automated, I can do that easily, too. There might be a good application or two on Windows that's not on Linux, but you can test it with CrossOver if you really want to use it. I haven't had any that I was dying for, though. Hope that helps you on your quest. Was there anything specific YOU needed to know for your switch? Sincerely, Jonathan Bartlett Thanks, Doug Lerner, Tokyo ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows
Interesting note. Thanks, Jonathan. Actually, no, there is nothing in particular I am looking for at the moment. But I am just getting started. I like using Entourage (I admit it!) in OS X, so I hope I can find a really nice, complete, multi-account, multi-user email solution in Linux. And guess what - I don't even mind paying for software I like! :-) And I will be looking for an Office solution, and a Web authoring solution too. doug On 7/28/02 1:28 PM, Jonathan Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there particular applications or peripherals you use, or would like to use, that work under Windows or Mac OS, but still there are no solutions for under Linux? With Crossover Office, which provides a Win32 emulation layer, the application barrier has been pretty much obliterated. As for peripherals, the only problem I've ever seen is with WinModems. As a Linux user, I often feel strangled when I have to work on a Windows platform, because everything that you might want to do you have to pay extra money for. Print to PDF? Mo money. Use office applications? More money. Do diagramming? More money. Do computer graphics? More money. Do basic database work? More money. Move my basic database onto a more advanced platform? More money. Do accounting? more money. Build applications? More money. Sometimes I can find such software for Windows, but the hassle of having to locate and install it, and the fact that it only works half as well as with Linux makes it a tough choice. With Linux, I just find the distribution that matches my needs, and for about $100 I have all the applications I ever wanted, preinstalled, and supported. Some people don't understand the Linux desktop, but I don't understand how anyone manages to get anything done in Windows. It's like the whole thing is set up to make as many roadblocks to getting work done as possible. For example, on Windows, every application tries to have it's own splash screen, even if it's a small utility. This is a pain because I just want it to open and run. As I said, it's like they are putting up roadblocks. And when I want something automated, I can do that easily, too. There might be a good application or two on Windows that's not on Linux, but you can test it with CrossOver if you really want to use it. I haven't had any that I was dying for, though. Hope that helps you on your quest. Was there anything specific YOU needed to know for your switch? Sincerely, Jonathan Bartlett Thanks, Doug Lerner, Tokyo ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows
I must be in another world, but I have never heard of a Brother MFC 9200c, Linksys or SpeedStream. :-) doug On 7/28/02 2:28 PM, Todd A. Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Doug Lerner wrote: Are there particular applications or peripherals you use, or would like to use, that work under Windows or Mac OS, but still there are no solutions for under Linux? A lot of all-in-one devices like the Brother MFC 9200c aren't supported at all under Linux. Getting IrDA to work on my Sony Vaio Z505-JS under Linux has been a large exercise in futility. --Oh, and anything Linksys will pretty much be hit-and-miss. They hate Linux users...but at least they're up-front about it, unlike SpeedStream, who won't support their own Wi-Fi cards or drivers under either Linux *or* Windows, if you can believe that. -- The only thing that helps me maintain my slender grip on reality is the friendship I share with my collection of singing potatoes. - Holly, JMC Vessel *Red Dwarf* ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows
Ah! The Palace! I used to run one of those! [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 7/28/02 3:32 PM, Jesse Angell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My main problem is I host palace chat servers, so I obviously need to be able to use the palace chat client. There is no linux version, and the people who created it no longer exist. I've tried downloading wine before and running it, and.. about half of it works. backgrounds won't download stuff like that, and that's simply not adequte. I am curious if anyone would do me a large favor, if I were to provide them with the palace client try it under the Crossover wine, or whatever it is, and see if it functions correctly.. To obtain it.. please contact me aim: korruptdotcom icq: 56295559 - Thank You, Jesse Angell Founder, PalaceUnlimited.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jonathan Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows Are there particular applications or peripherals you use, or would like to use, that work under Windows or Mac OS, but still there are no solutions for under Linux? With Crossover Office, which provides a Win32 emulation layer, the application barrier has been pretty much obliterated. As for peripherals, the only problem I've ever seen is with WinModems. As a Linux user, I often feel strangled when I have to work on a Windows platform, because everything that you might want to do you have to pay extra money for. Print to PDF? Mo money. Use office applications? More money. Do diagramming? More money. Do computer graphics? More money. Do basic database work? More money. Move my basic database onto a more advanced platform? More money. Do accounting? more money. Build applications? More money. Sometimes I can find such software for Windows, but the hassle of having to locate and install it, and the fact that it only works half as well as with Linux makes it a tough choice. With Linux, I just find the distribution that matches my needs, and for about $100 I have all the applications I ever wanted, preinstalled, and supported. Some people don't understand the Linux desktop, but I don't understand how anyone manages to get anything done in Windows. It's like the whole thing is set up to make as many roadblocks to getting work done as possible. For example, on Windows, every application tries to have it's own splash screen, even if it's a small utility. This is a pain because I just want it to open and run. As I said, it's like they are putting up roadblocks. And when I want something automated, I can do that easily, too. There might be a good application or two on Windows that's not on Linux, but you can test it with CrossOver if you really want to use it. I haven't had any that I was dying for, though. Hope that helps you on your quest. Was there anything specific YOU needed to know for your switch? Sincerely, Jonathan Bartlett Thanks, Doug Lerner, Tokyo ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows
On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:02:10 +0900 Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled intuitively: Interesting note. Thanks, Jonathan. Actually, no, there is nothing in particular I am looking for at the moment. But I am just getting started. I like using Entourage (I admit it!) in OS X, so I hope I can find a really nice, complete, multi-account, multi-user email solution in Linux. And guess what - I don't even mind paying for software I like! :-) If you mean something quite large, w/calendering, etc., you can give evolution 1.0.8 a look. Takes a little while to load up, but I believe ithandles all of the things Entourage does. [I personally prefer separateapps, so I don't use evolution. I use Sylpheed for my e-mail and gnomecalender for keeping my calender.] And I will be looking for an Office solution, and a Web authoring solution too. For an Office suite give OpenOffice.org a try. Handles M$ Office Suite files quite well. For a few bucks you can get a hold of its slightly more full featured cousin, StarOffice. HTH, Mike -- BluePoint Brewery, LI --Run a river through your liver!! ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows
On 7/28/02 10:12 PM, Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you mean something quite large, w/calendering, etc., you can give evolution 1.0.8 a look. Takes a little while to load up, but I believe ithandles all of the things Entourage does. [I personally prefer separateapps, so I don't use evolution. I use Sylpheed for my e-mail and gnomecalender for keeping my calender.] Actually, I don't really care about the Calendar and other features in Entourage other than email. But Entourage does email really well. It can display HTML email and compose in HTML email or turn it off, as you prefer. If you have multiple aliases in one mailbox (account), when you reply it automatically replies from the address to which email was received. This is an important point for me, because I have several aliases and you would be surprised at the number of email clients that overlook this feature. It works well in Japanese too, which is also important to me. And I like the way it keeps track of reply histories, finding originals to replies, etc. doug ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows
On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:19:36 +0900 Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled intuitively: On 7/28/02 10:12 PM, Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you mean something quite large, w/calendering, etc., you can give evolution 1.0.8 a look. Takes a little while to load up, but I believe ithandles all of the things Entourage does. [I personally prefer separateapps, so I don't use evolution. I use Sylpheed for my e-mail and gnomecalender for keeping my calender.] Actually, I don't really care about the Calendar and other features in Entourage other than email. But Entourage does email really well. It can display HTML email and compose in HTML email or turn it off, as you prefer. === Sylpheed will NOT compose in html, but can handle viewing somewhat. It is small and *extremely* fast. == If you have multiple aliases in one mailbox (account), when you reply it automatically replies from the address to which email was received. This is an important point for me, because I have several aliases and you would be surprised at the number of email clients that overlook this feature. == Sylpheed handles the reply function in exactly this manner :) = It works well in Japanese too, which is also important to me. The author of Sylpheed is Japanese :o) go to sylpheed.good-day.net and give it a try. You might like it!! Mike -- BluePoint Brewery, LI --Run a river through your liver!! ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows
On Sun, Jul 28, 2002 at 10:02:10PM +0900, Doug Lerner wrote: I like using Entourage (I admit it!) in OS X, so I hope I can find a really nice, complete, multi-account, multi-user email solution in Linux. And guess what - I don't even mind paying for software I like! :-) But you probably won't have to, which is even better. Ximian Evolution is an amazingly polished and powerful email client that will do anything a commercial version will do -- except get infected by viruses. And I will be looking for an Office solution, and a Web authoring solution too. Openoffice probably does nearly everything you would need (including reading MS Office file formats), though it is not quite as polished as MS Office. But it is free and getting better as we speak. Write. I'm not so knowledgeable about web-authoring solutions, but Mozilla Composer does everything I'd need in a web authoring tool. Actually, Mozilla in general is an impressive piece of work. It's dead stable and I'm so used to tabbed browsing that I feel hindered using anything else. In short, linux has made enormous strides in the last couple of years, both in terms of GUIs and applications. Back in the redhat 5.x days it took a certain amount of dedication to use linux as your everyday desktop OS. No more. I have a secure and stable machine with every application I would ever need, I can read proprietary file formats if I have to, my rh7.2/ximian desktop is right purty and never crashes, and live is good :-). ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows
On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 14:19, Doug Lerner wrote: On 7/28/02 10:12 PM, Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you mean something quite large, w/calendering, etc., you can give evolution 1.0.8 a look. Takes a little while to load up, but I believe ithandles all of the things Entourage does. [I personally prefer separateapps, so I don't use evolution. I use Sylpheed for my e-mail and gnomecalender for keeping my calender.] Actually, I don't really care about the Calendar and other features in Entourage other than email. But Entourage does email really well. It can display HTML email and compose in HTML email or turn it off, as you prefer. If you have multiple aliases in one mailbox (account), when you reply it automatically replies from the address to which email was received. This is an important point for me, because I have several aliases and you would be surprised at the number of email clients that overlook this feature. It works well in Japanese too, which is also important to me. And I like the way it keeps track of reply histories, finding originals to replies, etc. doug ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list I have to say that apart from the Japanese bit, which I cant comment on, what you have just described is Evolution. I find it stable, and easy to use, with the ability to handle multiple Mailboxes. As for the Office apps, then you would have to go a long way to beat the Crossover from Codeweavers. I use it for Word, and Excel, and even the most complicated accounting spreadsheets we have open perfectly every time. -- Alan Jan Harding Tel: 07715 539272 One by one the penguins are stealing my sanity ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows
Are there particular applications or peripherals you use, or would like to use, that work under Windows or Mac OS, but still there are no solutions for under Linux? With Crossover Office, which provides a Win32 emulation layer, the application barrier has been pretty much obliterated. As for peripherals, the only problem I've ever seen is with WinModems. As a Linux user, I often feel strangled when I have to work on a Windows platform, because everything that you might want to do you have to pay extra money for. Print to PDF? Mo money. Use office applications? More money. Do diagramming? More money. Do computer graphics? More money. Do basic database work? More money. Move my basic database onto a more advanced platform? More money. Do accounting? more money. Build applications? More money. Sometimes I can find such software for Windows, but the hassle of having to locate and install it, and the fact that it only works half as well as with Linux makes it a tough choice. With Linux, I just find the distribution that matches my needs, and for about $100 I have all the applications I ever wanted, preinstalled, and supported. Some people don't understand the Linux desktop, but I don't understand how anyone manages to get anything done in Windows. It's like the whole thing is set up to make as many roadblocks to getting work done as possible. For example, on Windows, every application tries to have it's own splash screen, even if it's a small utility. This is a pain because I just want it to open and run. As I said, it's like they are putting up roadblocks. And when I want something automated, I can do that easily, too. There might be a good application or two on Windows that's not on Linux, but you can test it with CrossOver if you really want to use it. I haven't had any that I was dying for, though. Hope that helps you on your quest. Was there anything specific YOU needed to know for your switch? Sincerely, Jonathan Bartlett Thanks, Doug Lerner, Tokyo ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: Linux vs Mac vs Windows
On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Doug Lerner wrote: Are there particular applications or peripherals you use, or would like to use, that work under Windows or Mac OS, but still there are no solutions for under Linux? A lot of all-in-one devices like the Brother MFC 9200c aren't supported at all under Linux. Getting IrDA to work on my Sony Vaio Z505-JS under Linux has been a large exercise in futility. --Oh, and anything Linksys will pretty much be hit-and-miss. They hate Linux users...but at least they're up-front about it, unlike SpeedStream, who won't support their own Wi-Fi cards or drivers under either Linux *or* Windows, if you can believe that. -- The only thing that helps me maintain my slender grip on reality is the friendship I share with my collection of singing potatoes. - Holly, JMC Vessel *Red Dwarf* ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
