[Repeater-Builder] Re: New web pages...
Mike, I picked up some old Motorola manuals and other books on Saturday . I will drop them off for you to scan for all interested.. Will
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: New web pages...
At 02:18 AM 04/15/07, you wrote: Mike, I picked up some old Motorola manuals and other books on Saturday . I will drop them off for you to scan for all interested.. Will I would really like to find a UHF MT1000 service manual for my own collection if you have one. And I'm still looking for a 900mhz Micor receiver chassis for Paul's repeater - the guy in Michigan that said he had several isn't answering emails... Mike
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater
In a message dated 4/15/2007 12:32:50 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's interesting since the FLEX cable in an HT1000 went NLA before they even stopped making new radios! That's right - you could buy a new radio that had one, but if it went out, you have to get one used somwehere. I still want to know where they got the parts for the new radios if the flex was NLA. Joe M. They probably used the MT/MTS/MTX front display flex. It will work on the HT1000. Chris ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Opening Salvo Poor Mans Repeater Project
My only response on this topic since Kevin doesn't allow rules discussions. GMRS is allowed up to 50 watts TPO unless you are operating a small base station, then the 15 watt rule comes into play. A small base station operates at 5ppm minimum frequency tolerance and a standard base station or repeater must maintain minimum of 2.5ppm. A small base station also has height restrictions. Also, 50 watts TPO is allowed for mobiles and frequency tolerance is 5ppm or less. If you are within the line A or line C paramaters, certain frequencies are dis-allowed, power is not the issue. Gain antennas are also allowed and there are no restriction on that. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul M Schmitter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooops. Re-read the rules. It's 15 watts for a fixed station as long as it's not within 50 miles of Canada. --- Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul M Schmitter wrote: I'm actually working on improving my poor man's repeater right now. Basically here's what I've been using during tests: Vertex FTL-7011 as transmitter Advanced research preamp Radio Shack FRS Cat # 21-1811 retuned as receiver(not very selective) You DO know that repeaters are illegal on FRS channels? (Even if you have a GMRS license.) Not to mention that even with a GMRS license, power is limited to 5W max? -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater
Probably a condition of sale (terms of a contract) to a Government Agency or large customer carried over into the consumer market as a promise of support based on previous history. s. N9WYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought manufacturers were required by some obscure law (federal?) to be able to supply parts for any item marketed for 7 years after it's sale... or maybe I was dreaming. ??? Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skipp025 Back in days of old... when knights were bold... and rubbers ... (opps that's another story...) Back in the 60's, 70's 80's Motorola reportedly contracted to continue making replacement parts available for 5 or 8 years min. I clearly remember being able to buy Motrac parts well into the late 70's and early 80's. That type of business model is long gone. Mfgrs are often hard pressed to get a device from concept to market before the part sources dry up/out. It's just the way of the world... cheers, s. Bob M. msf5kguru@ wrote: The MSF5000 supply is similarly power-hungry. Most ferro-resonant supplies are. They give up efficiency for bullet-proof operation. Other parts may die, but when's the last time you had to fix a broken Moto power supply of that vintage? Of course, Motorola isn't helping much by making spare parts for so much of this great old equipment NLA. Bob M. ==
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater
I don't think so Skipp... Seems to me I remember that there is some law on the books that requires a manufacturer to provide parts support for their product for 7 years. I wish I could find it... I checked Google for 7-year support and got about 1200 hits, but most of these also reference a 4- to 7-year support cycle, so maybe I'm all wet... Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of skipp025 Probably a condition of sale (terms of a contract) to a Government Agency or large customer carried over into the consumer market as a promise of support based on previous history. s. N9WYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought manufacturers were required by some obscure law (federal?) to be able to supply parts for any item marketed for 7 years after it's sale... or maybe I was dreaming. ??? Mark - N9WYS
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater
In a message dated 4/15/2007 9:10:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought manufacturers were required by some obscure law (federal?) to be able to supply parts for any item marketed for 7 years after it's sale... or maybe I was dreaming. There are such laws, but as a practical matter they are worthless because there is no cap on what they can charge for replacement parts. The most prolific abuser of these laws with astronomical replacement parts cost for older models is the automobile industry. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater
At 12:03 PM 4/15/2007, you wrote: here are such laws, but as a practical matter they are worthless because there is no cap on what they can charge for replacement parts. The most prolific abuser of these laws with astronomical replacement parts cost for older models is the automobile industry. ---Don't me that! I'm looking at a '94 Vette for my wife! Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of the world famous RC210 Repeater Controller and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Coming soon - the most advanced repeater controller EVER. Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater
The problem being, yes they can get you the part but it will take those 7 years in some cases. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Hudson Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:36 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater I remember the 7 year support rule too, but I don’t know why… Bill From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of N9WYS Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:35 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater I thought manufacturers were required by some obscure law (federal?) to be able to supply parts for any item marketed for 7 years after it's sale... or maybe I was dreaming. ??? Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of skipp025 Back in days of old... when knights were bold... and rubbers ... (opps that's another story...) Back in the 60's, 70's 80's Motorola reportedly contracted to continue making replacement parts available for 5 or 8 years min. I clearly remember being able to buy Motrac parts well into the late 70's and early 80's. That type of business model is long gone. Mfgrs are often hard pressed to get a device from concept to market before the part sources dry up/out. It's just the way of the world... cheers, s. Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The MSF5000 supply is similarly power-hungry. Most ferro-resonant supplies are. They give up efficiency for bullet-proof operation. Other parts may die, but when's the last time you had to fix a broken Moto power supply of that vintage? Of course, Motorola isn't helping much by making spare parts for so much of this great old equipment NLA. Bob M. == Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/760 - Release Date: 4/13/2007 8:04 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: 4/14/2007 9:36 PM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater
I don't know your wife, Ken, but it sounds like a good trade. ;- Joe M. Ken Arck wrote: I'm looking at a '94 Vette for my wife! Ken
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/15/2007 9:10:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought manufacturers were required by some obscure law (federal?) to be able to supply parts for any item marketed for 7 years after it's sale... or maybe I was dreaming. There are such laws, but as a practical matter they are worthless because there is no cap on what they can charge for replacement parts. The most prolific abuser of these laws with astronomical replacement parts cost for older models is the automobile industry. With the medical repair parts industry being a close second drop me a note off-line and I'll give you some examples. :-( _Ray_KBØSTN
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rethinking the Possible poll question
On 4/13/07, *Bob Linda Smith* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Chuck and everyone else who gave valuable suggestions, It looks like I, and the club, need to rethink this question. I am very impressed with some of the new equipment out there and was thinking our radio is a bit outdated. Also, I was thinking of the space we occupy in our shared building. Thinking a smaller foot print could be hung on the wall easily. We are also talking about remote access to IRLP via a club members QTH, just like the one he is running on UHF now. Bob, Maybe you said and I forget.. What band is the Micor repeater on? Was it ever properly converted to the ham band? My thinking is that if you or someone did a first class overhaul on the Micor that it *could* run rings around something new. The Micor is one of my most favorite radios for repeater service. When properly done, they operate very well in the ham bands, but unlike a GE Mastr II, they require conversion to do so. If your radio was originally built for the 150.8 to 162 MHz range, and was never properly modified for 2 meters, there can be significant improvements to be had. Even if it's a UHF machine, this can be true. Kevin
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater
Not to worry, Ken. There are PLENTY of purveyors of parts for the Vette... The primary one that comes to mind for me is Mid America Corvette. Of course, they're only about a 3 hour drive from my house. And then there's Ecklers, and Corvette Central, and. I own a '74 coupe. (Yes, **another** expensive hobby.) -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Ken Arck At 12:03 PM 4/15/2007, you wrote: here are such laws, but as a practical matter they are worthless because there is no cap on what they can charge for replacement parts. The most prolific abuser of these laws with astronomical replacement parts cost for older models is the automobile industry. ---Don't me that! I'm looking at a '94 Vette for my wife! Ken
[Repeater-Builder] Label makers
A little bit off-topic perhaps but perhaps not. What brand and model label makers are preferred by those that label their wiring? I would prefer something inexpensive as it wouldn't see much use once the cables and wiring is labeled. 73 de Jack - N7OO
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Label makers
At 04:38 PM 04/15/07, you wrote: A little bit off-topic perhaps but perhaps not. What brand and model label makers are preferred by those that label their wiring? I would prefer something inexpensive as it wouldn't see much use once the cables and wiring is labeled. 73 de Jack - N7OO The cheapest thing in the world, and one that nobody ever thinks of is leftover bread bag clips. I take a bit of MEK and wipe off the ink, then use a ultra-fine-point Sharpie to write on the tag. Then I clip the tag onto the end of the cable. The hole in the common tag snaps around an RG-58-size cable just fine, and a pair of small dikes can enlarge that to anything up to RG-8 size easily. My alternate way is to use masking tape and a regular Sharpie until the system wiring is finished, then go back and use a Brother P-Touch to make the permanent labels. As expensive as the Brother material is I use the masking tape until I'm sure that it won't change. Mike
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Label makers
Jack, someone (don't know who) makes tie-wraps with label areas on them. You might try someplace like W.W.Grsainger or Greaybar Electric. 73, Dick W1NMZ - Original Message - From: Jack Taylor To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 15 April, 2007 16:38 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Label makers A little bit off-topic perhaps but perhaps not. What brand and model label makers are preferred by those that label their wiring? I would prefer something inexpensive as it wouldn't see much use once the cables and wiring is labeled. 73 de Jack - N7OO
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Label makers
Panduit makes them - they call them Marker Ties. http://www.panduit.com/search/search_results.asp?N=501+250Ne=1region=USANu=P_RollupKey Grainger, McMaster-Carr and Greybar distributes them but they are expensive. They are great as permanent tags, but the masking tape and a Sharpie are better during construction. Mike WA6ILQ At 05:12 PM 04/15/07, you wrote: Jack, someone (don't know who) makes tie-wraps with label areas on them. You might try someplace like W.W.Grsainger or Greaybar Electric. 73, Dick W1NMZ - Original Message - From: Jack Taylor To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 15 April, 2007 16:38 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Label makers A little bit off-topic perhaps but perhaps not. What brand and model label makers are preferred by those that label their wiring? I would prefer something inexpensive as it wouldn't see much use once the cables and wiring is labeled. 73 de Jack - N7OO Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Label makers
Brady. See their line at http://www.bradyid.com . Gary Jack Taylor wrote: A little bit off-topic perhaps but perhaps not. What brand and model label makers are preferred by those that label their wiring? I would prefer something inexpensive as it wouldn't see much use once the cables and wiring is labeled. 73 de Jack - N7OO Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Label makers
T and B makes the tie-wraps with the tabs on them most electronic and electrical parts houses can get them. Also made by Panduit . Some home supply also have them John - Original Message - From: Dick To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Label makers Jack, someone (don't know who) makes tie-wraps with label areas on them. You might try someplace like W.W.Grsainger or Greaybar Electric. 73, Dick W1NMZ - Original Message - From: Jack Taylor To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 15 April, 2007 16:38 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Label makers A little bit off-topic perhaps but perhaps not. What brand and model label makers are preferred by those that label their wiring? I would prefer something inexpensive as it wouldn't see much use once the cables and wiring is labeled. 73 de Jack - N7OO
[Repeater-Builder] UPDATE -noise in mastr II repeater
Ok I have received lots of information and ideas and plan to check or apply them as I get time. As for the location of the repeater it is located at my house on a 45 ft tower. It is not located at a commercial site so I dont have those problems. The phasing harness on the AFM-44 is NEW. I happend on a fellow a few years ago that had 3 brand new ones and when i put this antenna back up at its location now it went up with a new harenss. I also have a COMMERCIAL grade Maxrad UHF antenna on the tower that I am going to switch to and see if the noise goes away. And yes i understand that 1/2 hardlind can be had pretty cheap, especially in short runs. But I need 4 connectors and those are not cheap!Plus I dont fancy a climb up a HDBX tower to change feedline that runs up the tower and up a 18ft mast. And I am dont have a money tree in the back yard! A pool yes but not a money tree. And as far as movement of the feedline there is NONE and I mean none. The feedline is strapped to the tower/mast at abt every 6-8 inches all the way to the grounding board. The only movement would be the very slight movment of the tower in a wind and the noise is NOT wind related. From the grounding board the feedline is bundled with 7 other coax runs the come in the the shack abt 12 feet away. Once again there is NO movment of this feedline due to the way I have it bundled/anchored. Oh and when I say I moved the repeater I mean I not only moved it in frequency but I moved it 1500 miles from Missouri to Arizona! I plan to run thru all the ideas/information that everyone has posted. we will see what happens and I will post if I find a problem or not. Also I plan to change the internal jumper that runs from the receiver input to the RCA jack inside the case. Anyone have a couple of these OEM cables that are abt 16 inches long? I am having a heck of a time finding a GOOD right angle RCA plug like GE used. Thanks to all for the help!!! Dan/NØFPE
[Repeater-Builder] IC-FR3000
Has anyone put a low split Icom IC-RF3000 repeater on 2M? Was it easy or more than just a VCO tweek? -Wayne
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater
If anyone needs the controls/flex cable for the jedi radios (NTN7087), I still have a couple of new ones left. Email if interested, may take a couple of days for me to reply, but I will answer. Tom --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting since the FLEX cable in an HT1000 went NLA before they even stopped making new radios! That's right - you could buy a new radio that had one, but if it went out, you have to get one used somwehere. I still want to know where they got the parts for the new radios if the flex was NLA. Joe M. Bill Hudson wrote: I remember the 7 year support rule too, but I don't know why Bill From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of N9WYS Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:35 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Replacement of an older Repeater I thought manufacturers were required by some obscure law (federal?) to be able to supply parts for any item marketed for 7 years after it's sale... or maybe I was dreaming. ??? Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of skipp025 Back in days of old... when knights were bold... and rubbers ... (opps that's another story...) Back in the 60's, 70's 80's Motorola reportedly contracted to continue making replacement parts available for 5 or 8 years min. I clearly remember being able to buy Motrac parts well into the late 70's and early 80's. That type of business model is long gone. Mfgrs are often hard pressed to get a device from concept to market before the part sources dry up/out. It's just the way of the world... cheers, s. Bob M. msf5kguru@ wrote: The MSF5000 supply is similarly power-hungry. Most ferro-resonant supplies are. They give up efficiency for bullet-proof operation. Other parts may die, but when's the last time you had to fix a broken Moto power supply of that vintage? Of course, Motorola isn't helping much by making spare parts for so much of this great old equipment NLA. Bob M. == Yahoo! Groups Links W6CBS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broadcast Engineer Hudson Sports Productions W6CBS Broadcast Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hudson Sports Productions 1-650-595-5566 Work Voice: 1-650-595-5566 P O Box 7143 Preferred: 1-650-595-5566 San Carlos California 94070 USA Additional Information: Version 2.1 First NameW6CBS Label Work1-650-595-5566 P O Box 7143 San Carlos, California 94070 USA Revision 20060508T165031Z
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Opening Salvo Poor Mans Repeater Project
Thank you for all the info. Part 95 is not written very clearly. There seem to be many interpretations. --- rtoplus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only response on this topic since Kevin doesn't allow rules discussions. GMRS is allowed up to 50 watts TPO unless you are operating a small base station, then the 15 watt rule comes into play. A small base station operates at 5ppm minimum frequency tolerance and a standard base station or repeater must maintain minimum of 2.5ppm. A small base station also has height restrictions. Also, 50 watts TPO is allowed for mobiles and frequency tolerance is 5ppm or less. If you are within the line A or line C paramaters, certain frequencies are dis-allowed, power is not the issue. Gain antennas are also allowed and there are no restriction on that. Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Paul M Schmitter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooops. Re-read the rules. It's 15 watts for a fixed station as long as it's not within 50 miles of Canada. --- Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul M Schmitter wrote: I'm actually working on improving my poor man's repeater right now. Basically here's what I've been using during tests: Vertex FTL-7011 as transmitter Advanced research preamp Radio Shack FRS Cat # 21-1811 retuned as receiver(not very selective) You DO know that repeaters are illegal on FRS channels? (Even if you have a GMRS license.) Not to mention that even with a GMRS license, power is limited to 5W max? -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Label makers
Hi Jack. Look for a Casio. I bought mine at one of the office stores. About $45. Makes great labels. Ralph, W7HSG -- Original message -- From: Jack Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] A little bit off-topic perhaps but perhaps not. What brand and model label makers are preferred by those that label their wiring? I would prefer something inexpensive as it wouldn't see much use once the cables and wiring is labeled. 73 de Jack - N7OO ---BeginMessage--- A little bit off-topic perhaps but perhaps not. What brand and model label makers are preferred by those that label their wiring? I would prefer something inexpensive as it wouldn't see much use once the cables and wiring is labeled. 73 de Jack - N7OO ---End Message---
Re: [Repeater-Builder] UPDATE -noise in mastr II repeater
Dan Just for info, I had a Master II on the bench last week and noted by removing that jumper I had to put an HT running 1W within a couple of feet of the RCA jack for it to be head with noise. Using the original jumper I had to go about 25 feet for the same affect. I am not suggesting anything by this it and may be very typical. If you are replacing that jumper you could use the RG 142 and watch the length of the RCA pin it could be long to the point of shorting at least that was a problem with a MVP the other day. Gran K6RIF At 07:01 AM 4/15/2007, you wrote: Ok I have received lots of information and ideas and plan to check or apply them as I get time. As for the location of the repeater it is located at my house on a 45 ft tower. It is not located at a commercial site so I dont have those problems. The phasing harness on the AFM-44 is NEW. I happend on a fellow a few years ago that had 3 brand new ones and when i put this antenna back up at its location now it went up with a new harenss. I also have a COMMERCIAL grade Maxrad UHF antenna on the tower that I am going to switch to and see if the noise goes away. And yes i understand that 1/2 hardlind can be had pretty cheap, especially in short runs. But I need 4 connectors and those are not cheap!Plus I dont fancy a climb up a HDBX tower to change feedline that runs up the tower and up a 18ft mast. And I am dont have a money tree in the back yard! A pool yes but not a money tree. And as far as movement of the feedline there is NONE and I mean none. The feedline is strapped to the tower/mast at abt every 6-8 inches all the way to the grounding board. The only movement would be the very slight movment of the tower in a wind and the noise is NOT wind related. From the grounding board the feedline is bundled with 7 other coax runs the come in the the shack abt 12 feet away. Once again there is NO movment of this feedline due to the way I have it bundled/anchored. Oh and when I say I moved the repeater I mean I not only moved it in frequency but I moved it 1500 miles from Missouri to Arizona! I plan to run thru all the ideas/information that everyone has posted. we will see what happens and I will post if I find a problem or not. Also I plan to change the internal jumper that runs from the receiver input to the RCA jack inside the case. Anyone have a couple of these OEM cables that are abt 16 inches long? I am having a heck of a time finding a GOOD right angle RCA plug like GE used. Thanks to all for the help!!! Dan/NØFPE
