[Repeater-Builder] R100 Programming
Does anyone have any info or manual to assist in a Motorola R100 RT100 repeater or could possibly answer a few questions. I have rss for v1.9 for the R100 and have been able to change the freq and tune the unit now but cannot find where in the rss the PL or DPL is programmed. If you are familiar with V1.9, it is not like the common moto rss software. Thanks.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Earthquake Resistant
On Tue, 27 May 2008, Roger Stacey wrote: Our group wants to upgrade our repeater site to be more earthquake resistant. We realize that there are no earthquake proof repeaters but we want to improve any chances of survivability. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Build it like Sutro tower, where the center of gravity is in the base of the tower (or underground like Sutro). -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly
[Repeater-Builder] Re: R100 Programming
David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any info or manual to assist in a Motorola R100 RT100 repeater or could possibly answer a few questions. I have rss for v1.9 for the R100 and have been able to change the freq and tune the unit now but cannot find where in the rss the PL or DPL is programmed. If you are familiar with V1.9, it is not like the common moto rss software. Thanks. Here is what the Manual says, abbreviated. This program does not recognize the cursor arrows. Use the number keys across the top of the keyboard. The Num Lock and Caps Lock keys may need to be activated for the program to work properly. KEY Function 2 Move down within Menu 4 Scroll back 6 Scroll forward 8 Move up within Menu L List prog. options to display or printer F Select special function ESC Return to Main Menu Enter Select option next to cursor or terminate data entry Ctrl-C Quits the program
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: R100 Programming
Okay, I figured the arrows part out. But what do the functions do? the SVXM and where do you change the PL tone? I can't seem to find that part. If I print it to the screen it says; nbsp; freq:nbsp; 46X.XXX (the correct one) PL tone time out nbsp; but where can I change the parameters for the PL tone on rx and tx and the timers. I cant find it in the menu section.Thanks again --- On Wed, 5/28/08, sgreact47 lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: sgreact47 lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: R100 Programming To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 5:15 AM David lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; gt; Does anyone have any info or manual to assist in a Motorola R100 RT100 gt; repeater or could possibly answer a few questions. I have rss for v1.9 gt; for the R100 and have been able to change the freq and tune the unit gt; now but cannot find where in the rss the PL or DPL is programmed. If gt; you are familiar with V1.9, it is not like the common moto rss gt; software. Thanks. gt; Here is what the Manual says, abbreviated. This program does not recognize the cursor arrows. Use the number keys across the top of the keyboard. The Num Lock and Caps Lock keys may need to be activated for the program to work properly. KEY Function 2 Move down within Menu 4 Scroll back 6 Scroll forward 8 Move up within Menu L List prog. options to display or printer F Select special function ESC Return to Main Menu Enter Select option next to cursor or terminate data entry Ctrl-C Quits the program
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Delta
Thanks. Yes it is a high split. N3DD3N110TB. The freqs on the label inside are all in the 47 mhz range. Vern From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ka9gpx Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:03 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Delta So now what. I would love to be able to slide this thing into 6m and use it for something. How does one go about programming one of these puppies? I have seen a lot of different things out on the net but nothing that seems to say the easy way to get it programmed. Hello Vern, If you have the 2212 chip (as opposed to the xtal vers...) there are several ways to attack the programming issues... None of which is too EASY but not too difficult either...Simplest is to find a GE dealer in you area that might have the capabilities to do thatnext would be to purchase any of the programmers made for doing the XR2212 Chip. This chip was also used in the GE Phoenix Series of radios so any programmer for that line should also work...) There are several available, such as the one from RF GUYS,...There's also one available from the NHRC group,. and if you don't mind building your own, you might try the KG4LNE software and programmer, or the KA9FUR software and programmer. ( just Google those sites)..sorry don't have the links handy. There are also what's known as Downloading Type Control heads available which will download freq tone info to the radio every time it's turned on but they too require special (tough to find ) soft/hard-ware... Will it slide into 6m by just programming it or does it need to be modded as well? I've put 2 deltas on 6mtrsI may have gotten lucky, but both Moved just fine...No special mods required...They will however need to have the VCO's reset, as well as the Recv. Front-end cavities re-aligned. Also, I cut the power back to 45W for my piece of mind... One Caveat...Are you sure you have a high-end split The Deltas came in 3 ranges for the Low band model29-36, 36-42, 42-50, One way to tell is by the Combination number on the radio (if it's still attached)...If you have a high range version, the combo number should look something like...N3DD3N060TB...or N3DD3N110TB... The Key is the 3rd letter...in this case the D(42-50Mhz)...a low end vers.(29-36Mhz)would have a B in place of the D...a mid range (36-42Mhz) would have a C in the 3rd positionPower is indicated by the 060-60Watt 110-110Watt Try the KA9FUR web site for some interfacing ideas (without control head...also Buck's Packetradio.com web site...He has some information there about using the Deltas for Packet,..but this will Guide you towards a Non-Control Head set-up.. Good Luck,... Hope this helps...Hope I didn't use up this month's Text-Limit with this answer... 73- Carl KA9GPX
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Delta
Cool. Thanks! This is very helpful . Mine is for sure a synthesized Delta. I have to order my programmer as well. They do have some just not listed on Ebay right now. Vern From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:04 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Delta I operate all my Rangr's without a control head, and also have a crystal controlled Delta operating packet on a montaintop without a control head. You just have to scope out the pins and apply voltage to the ign +12 and the main +12 to fire them up. Be careful putting a speaker on the Delta, as it uses a floating speaker connection. Do not hook either side of the speaker to ground. I am attaching my mod to run the Delta without a control head. I jumper to a 25 pin D connector to get compatable with common connectors. The two large pins are the high current + and - for the final amp. The Rangr connector is the same as a synthesized Delta, while the older crystal controlled Deltas use the Delta configuration I show here. I am also including the diagram of the connector I plagerized from a packet mod for the Rangr. It is a good description of the layout of the interface connector. 73 - Jim W5ZIT mung_bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. I will check to see if it has the chip. They don't have any programmers listed right now. I will ask them if they have any not listed. How about testing this thing out without a control head? I have a service monitor so I just need to know how to power it up and listen to the speaker and make it tx so that I can see what it is putting out? Thanks, Vern --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Jim Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the unit you are looking at is a programmable type, you can program with the RFGuys programmer by removing the chip and plugging it into their programmer board which plugs into the parallel port of your computer. You have to use DOS to generate the personality (a 256 byte binary file) to move to the chip. They supply a program to generate the personality. I use one of these programmers to generate personalities for GE Rangr and GE Phoenix radios. I don't have any programmable Deltas. Some folks have indicated problems getting their computer to work with this programmer, but I use an IBM 390 laptop and it works fine. Be aware that there were lots of crystal controlled Deltas made also. You will have to order crystals for those types. To verify that your radio is programmable you will find an XR2212 EEPROM near the microprocessor in a socket. This is the chip you remove and plug into the RFGuys programmer. RFGuys markets their unit on Ebay. 73 - Jim W5ZIT mung_bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I was over at the junk store looking for UHF commercial radios for the GMRS project and didn't find anything for that but did find the drawer unit for a low band GE Delta for $5.00. So now what. I would love to be able to slide this thing into 6m and use it for something. How does one go about programming one of these puppies? I have seen a lot of different things out on the net but nothing that seems to say the easy way to get it programmed. Will it slide into 6m by just programming it or does it need to be modded as well? I know another project but that is how these things happen. Go looking for one thing and find something else to play with. Thanks, Vern KI4ONW
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Earthquake Resistant
Always liked that tower, I have been there many times. How did they transfer the center of gravity to the base of the tower except having more concrete down under than in the structure of the tower above? I may have answered my own question. Paul _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Kirby Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:49 AM To: Repeater-Builder Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Earthquake Resistant On Tue, 27 May 2008, Roger Stacey wrote: Our group wants to upgrade our repeater site to be more earthquake resistant. We realize that there are no earthquake proof repeaters but we want to improve any chances of survivability. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Build it like Sutro tower, where the center of gravity is in the base of the tower (or underground like Sutro). -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR HYPERLINK mailto:kris%40catonic.us[EMAIL PROTECTED] But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. --rly No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1469 - Release Date: 5/27/2008 1:25 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1469 - Release Date: 5/27/2008 1:25 PM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Earthquake Resistant
Roger We have two sites that are very earthquake prone. Both have inside racks secured to the top of the vault. Towers have not been a problem so far. Gran K6RIF At 09:22 PM 5/27/2008, you wrote: Hi all, Our group wants to upgrade our repeater site to be more earthquake resistant. We realize that there are no earthquake proof repeaters but we want to improve any chances of survivability. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Roger VA7RS
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II white noise on transmit
I don't think there is anything connected to the CG HI input right now so I will give it a try. It is a Mastr II station. thanks tom n8ies [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/28/2008 12:39:07 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II white noise on transmit Every time I had this problem it turned out to be discriminator noise somehow coupling into the CG HI input (assuming you have a duplexed radio). Troubleshooting was easy: put a full quieting signal into the RX see if it goes away. A 0.1 uF to ground on CG HI took care of it. Bob NO6B At 5/27/2008 13:43, you wrote: Put a 100K from mic high to ground and see if that eliminates it. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: mailto:tsoliver%40tir.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II white noise on transmit Fired my UHF Mastr II up again and noticed excessive white noise (I think) in the transmit audio even on a dead carier. It is the phase modulated exciter tuned down in the 442 range. Is this just the nature of the beast? tom n8ies Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 5/28/2008 7:20 AM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: R100 Programming
It has been awhile since I messed with mine but I think I that when you read the radio it displays freq and pl that is programmed. Check to see if it shows a pl code because if it shows a DPL you can not put in a PL. The R100 is either PL or DPL. Or maybe yours is carrier only? tom - Original Message - From: David Piche To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 5/28/2008 5:22:14 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: R100 Programming Okay, I figured the arrows part out. But what do the functions do? the SVXM and where do you change the PL tone? I can't seem to find that part. If I print it to the screen it says; freq: 46X.XXX (the correct one) PL tone time out but where can I change the parameters for the PL tone on rx and tx and the timers. I cant find it in the menu section.Thanks again --- On Wed, 5/28/08, sgreact47 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: sgreact47 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: R100 Programming To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 5:15 AM David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any info or manual to assist in a Motorola R100 RT100 repeater or could possibly answer a few questions. I have rss for v1.9 for the R100 and have been able to change the freq and tune the unit now but cannot find where in the rss the PL or DPL is programmed. If you are familiar with V1.9, it is not like the common moto rss software. Thanks. Here is what the Manual says, abbreviated. This program does not recognize the cursor arrows. Use the number keys across the top of the keyboard. The Num Lock and Caps Lock keys may need to be activated for the program to work properly. KEY Function 2 Move down within Menu 4 Scroll back 6 Scroll forward 8 Move up within Menu L List prog. options to display or printer F Select special function ESC Return to Main Menu Enter Select option next to cursor or terminate data entry Ctrl-C Quits the program
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
Radio Shack did sell a simplex repeater controller at one time. They are on e-bay much of the time. However, this is only a controller, not a repeater. I don't think RS sold a radio wired to this controller as a package. The use of the controller was up to the buyer...mostly for Ham use, but I am sure many used for other services. Simplex repeaters have their use such as for announcments. As for regular radio-to-radio comm it sucks. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Mung Bungholio wrote: Are you sure about that? They were actually selling them at one point. I think Radio Shack had one. I would like to see where it says you can’t do it. I will read again but I didn’t see it written anywhere. From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of sgreact47 Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios mung_bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about doing a store and forward repeater for GMRS. store and forward repeater(s) are forbidden on GMRS. ALL repeaters and base stations must meet .002% frequency tolerance. They also must meet the later transmitter audio filtering . Small base stations, 5watts or less, and mobiles must meet the .005% tolerance.
[Repeater-Builder] GMRS simplex repeater use
store and forward repeater(s) are forbidden on GMRS. I didn’t notice anything in the rules that says this, can you point me to the reference for this forbidden use? Daron
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
The way the FCC often looks at things if it don't say you can do it you cannot. Of course this is not always the case. It don't say in Part 97 one does not have to know the code to get a license. It does state what is required, but what is NOT required. However, in commercial serices often what one can do is spelled out and if not spelled out one cannot. The rules often tell one what you can do only. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:48 PM, sgreact47 wrote: mung_bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about doing a store and forward repeater for GMRS. store and forward repeater(s) are forbidden on GMRS. ALL repeaters and base stations must meet .002% frequency tolerance. They also must meet the later transmitter audio filtering . Small base stations, 5watts or less, and mobiles must meet the .005% tolerance.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GMRS Radios
I would think a simplex repeater in GMRS might be more under a remoted base station license if allowed at all. In GMRS base stations and repeaters have totally different set of rules. Repeaters have few restrictions other than power, actual output power. Base stations have ERP and antenna height restrictions. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most any radio that is Type Acepted for the GMRS/LMRS service is OK .Preferably with the transmit side able to provide a .0025 freq. tolerance ( same as base stations and repeater stations. What your talking about is a Simplex Repeater.(store and forward) and that capability is determined by the controller you use between the 2 radios. The NHRC-2 with the voice chip will give you approx. 20 seconds of storage and forward in the simplex mode and also can by simple DTMF command revert back to Full Duplex (Repeater) mode . That is the only one i'm familiar with. Radios like Micor, Mitrek, Icom,Kenwood etc. or all useable and legal if the were manufactured for commercial use,not ham, though the ham versions generally spec out about the same but haven't been Type Accepted. Some thing programmable and multi freq. rather than Xtal and single freq. would be the way to go. i am using the Kenwood Tk-series 805 and later model. There shouldn't be an issue with the diplexer and same antenna as long as your power output on both station is low. if you do have some iterference then notch filters can be used. -- Doug N3DAB/WPRX486/ WPJL709 mung_bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = I am thinking about doing a store and forward repeater for GMRS. A couple of questions. First and most important is what radio should I look for in the used market that will be legal to use and easy to setup on GMRS? MASTRII or MICOR or something like that. Second I have a dual band antenna on my 2m repeater right now. Can I use a simple 70cm/2m diplexer to use the same antenna and feed line for the 2 radios without any major issues? In normal use I know it will work but will it cause issues with my 2m repeater? Thanks, Vern KI4ONW mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Earthquake Resistant
At 5/27/2008 23:48, you wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2008, Roger Stacey wrote: Our group wants to upgrade our repeater site to be more earthquake resistant. We realize that there are no earthquake proof repeaters but we want to improve any chances of survivability. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Build it like Sutro tower, where the center of gravity is in the base of the tower (or underground like Sutro). So that's why Sutro looks so unusual. And I thought it was just because it's in SF. Bob NO6B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II white noise on transmit
At 5/28/2008 07:24, you wrote: I don't think there is anything connected to the CG HI input right now so I will give it a try. It is a Mastr II station. If you're not using CG at all, you can simply short CG HI to CG LO. Bob NO6B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II white noise on transmit
Tom - Let us know your results. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Thomas Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II white noise on transmit I don't think there is anything connected to the CG HI input right now so I will give it a try. It is a Mastr II station. thanks tom n8ies [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/28/2008 12:39:07 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II white noise on transmit Every time I had this problem it turned out to be discriminator noise somehow coupling into the CG HI input (assuming you have a duplexed radio). Troubleshooting was easy: put a full quieting signal into the RX see if it goes away. A 0.1 uF to ground on CG HI took care of it. Bob NO6B At 5/27/2008 13:43, you wrote: Put a 100K from mic high to ground and see if that eliminates it. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: mailto:tsoliver%40tir.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com[EMAIL PROTECTED] m Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II white noise on transmit Fired my UHF Mastr II up again and noticed excessive white noise (I think) in the transmit audio even on a dead carier. It is the phase modulated exciter tuned down in the 442 range. Is this just the nature of the beast? tom n8ies Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1470 - Release Date: 5/28/2008 7:20 AM Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II white noise on transmit
You could also turn the deviation pots - CG and Voice to min - not as solid as a ground on the input, but might help divide and conquer the noise source - I don't recall a M2 mobile making noise / hiss during TX. On a repeater station, a gate may be leaking causing some pass thru, but this would go away with a strong signal on the input. Steve NU5D Chuck Kelsey wrote: Tom - Let us know your results. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Thomas Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II white noise on transmit I don't think there is anything connected to the CG HI input right now so I will give it a try. It is a Mastr II station.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Radios to sale !!!!
First, Who said it was considered 2 meters? Second, please turn your cap lock off. Third, I had read, somewhere, that some cavities made for the VHF high band could be tuned as bandpass on the 440 band. After all, the 3rd harmonic of 147.00 MHz is 441.00 Mhz. Same would, more or less, hold true for reject filters. And I said might... I just might do a test with a 3 can high band filter I have that is NG for normal 2 meter repeater splits. Wayne WA2YNE On Mon, 26 May 2008 14:41:30 -0500, David Piche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WELL I HAVE A QUESTION, HOW IS 440 MHz CONSIDERED THE 2M BAND? I WILL START THERE. --- On Sun, 5/25/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Radios to sale To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 9:54 PM At 5/25/2008 00:17, you wrote: gt; Those are of no use for 2 meter ham, being as they are for a 5 MHz split. gt; However, it might be possible to use them on the 440 band. gt; gt; Wayne WA2YNE gt; Imperial, Tejas VHF HB mobile duplexers can't be tuned to 440, but if it's a 6-section duplexer, it can be tuned down to about 2.5 MHz, allowing use on 2 meters for portable repeaters. Bob NO6B -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
I don't plan to use one of those for my store and forward. I am going to run one of the software based tools that will do it. That will also give me a remote way to turn it off. Vern On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:44:13 -0500 (CDT) Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Radio Shack did sell a simplex repeater controller at one time. They are on e-bay much of the time. However, this is only a controller, not a repeater. I don't think RS sold a radio wired to this controller as a package. The use of the controller was up to the buyer...mostly for Ham use, but I am sure many used for other services. Simplex repeaters have their use such as for announcments. As for regular radio-to-radio comm it sucks. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Mung Bungholio wrote: Are you sure about that? They were actually selling them at one point. I think Radio Shack had one. I would like to see where it says you can’t do it. I will read again but I didn’t see it written anywhere. From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of sgreact47 Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios mung_bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about doing a store and forward repeater for GMRS. store and forward repeater(s) are forbidden on GMRS. ALL repeaters and base stations must meet .002% frequency tolerance. They also must meet the later transmitter audio filtering . Small base stations, 5watts or less, and mobiles must meet the .005% tolerance.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
In this case it does say that you can't run a simplex or store and forward repeater on the FRS channels. If they didn't want it on GMRS wouldn't they just add or GMRS at the end of that line? Almost seems like they want to make sure you don't do it on the FRS channels so that you have to have a license to use it. Vern On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:49:47 -0500 (CDT) Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way the FCC often looks at things if it don't say you can do it you cannot. Of course this is not always the case. It don't say in Part 97 one does not have to know the code to get a license. It does state what is required, but what is NOT required. However, in commercial serices often what one can do is spelled out and if not spelled out one cannot. The rules often tell one what you can do only. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:48 PM, sgreact47 wrote: mung_bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about doing a store and forward repeater for GMRS. store and forward repeater(s) are forbidden on GMRS. ALL repeaters and base stations must meet .002% frequency tolerance. They also must meet the later transmitter audio filtering . Small base stations, 5watts or less, and mobiles must meet the .005% tolerance.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
In this case it does say that you can't run a simplex or store and forward repeater on the FRS channels. Where is this again? I’m just not finding all these rules you folks are saying are out there. Thanks,
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
Even though FRS and GMRS share the same freq segment, they are treated differently. I don't think one can have a base station on FRS even if using low power. FRS rules would not apply to GMRS and vise/versa. If it says FRS only the reg would not apply to GMRS just as you said. I guess for simplex repeater I would feel safe if it stated they were allowed for GMRS. The FCC regs gives specific rules for the type of stations (repeater, base, HT, etc). Don't think they say anything about simplex repeater type station. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case it does say that you can't run a simplex or store and forward repeater on the FRS channels. If they didn't want it on GMRS wouldn't they just add or GMRS at the end of that line? Almost seems like they want to make sure you don't do it on the FRS channels so that you have to have a license to use it. Vern On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:49:47 -0500 (CDT) Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] net mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way the FCC often looks at things if it don't say you can do it you cannot. Of course this is not always the case. It don't say in Part 97 one does not have to know the code to get a license. It does state what is required, but what is NOT required. However, in commercial serices often what one can do is spelled out and if not spelled out one cannot. The rules often tell one what you can do only. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:48 PM, sgreact47 wrote: mung_bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about doing a store and forward repeater for GMRS. store and forward repeater(s) are forbidden on GMRS. ALL repeaters and base stations must meet .002% frequency tolerance. They also must meet the later transmitter audio filtering . Small base stations, 5watts or less, and mobiles must meet the .005% tolerance. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
Don't worry even the guys on the personal radio website can't figure this out. No one seems to agree on it. But it seems like as long as I don't have it ID when no one is on it then no one here will have a realy issue with it. Oh wait that was another discussion :) Anyway. There are plenty of them out there that have been running for quite some time so if the FCC really didn't want them they would either be shutting them down or putting something in the rules that says you can't do it. The only one I have ever heard being shut down was on FRS and they are unlicensed. Vern On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:51:01 -0500 (CDT) Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though FRS and GMRS share the same freq segment, they are treated differently. I don't think one can have a base station on FRS even if using low power. FRS rules would not apply to GMRS and vise/versa. If it says FRS only the reg would not apply to GMRS just as you said. I guess for simplex repeater I would feel safe if it stated they were allowed for GMRS. The FCC regs gives specific rules for the type of stations (repeater, base, HT, etc). Don't think they say anything about simplex repeater type station. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case it does say that you can't run a simplex or store and forward repeater on the FRS channels. If they didn't want it on GMRS wouldn't they just add or GMRS at the end of that line? Almost seems like they want to make sure you don't do it on the FRS channels so that you have to have a license to use it. Vern On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:49:47 -0500 (CDT) Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] net mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way the FCC often looks at things if it don't say you can do it you cannot. Of course this is not always the case. It don't say in Part 97 one does not have to know the code to get a license. It does state what is required, but what is NOT required. However, in commercial serices often what one can do is spelled out and if not spelled out one cannot. The rules often tell one what you can do only. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:48 PM, sgreact47 wrote: mung_bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about doing a store and forward repeater for GMRS. store and forward repeater(s) are forbidden on GMRS. ALL repeaters and base stations must meet .002% frequency tolerance. They also must meet the later transmitter audio filtering . Small base stations, 5watts or less, and mobiles must meet the .005% tolerance. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
It's all in here somewhere. http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_07/47cfr95_07.html On Wed, 28 May 2008 10:49:09 -0700 Daron Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case it does say that you can't run a simplex or store and forward repeater on the FRS channels. Where is this again? I’m just not finding all these rules you folks are saying are out there. Thanks,
Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Radios to sale !!!!
Wayne, It would be great if you could do that test. I have some VHF high band duplexers that won't tune down into the 2 meter band but I would love to use them on 70 centimeters. I too have read that not only is it possible to use 150 MHz duplexers on 450 MHz, but that the performance is slightly better because of the larger cavities. Unfortunately, I don't have the equipment necessary to do the test myself, but I would really like to know if this works. 73 and aloha, Eric KH6CQ --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Radios to sale To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 4:59 PM First, Who said it was considered 2 meters? Second, please turn your cap lock off. Third, I had read, somewhere, that some cavities made for the VHF high band could be tuned as bandpass on the 440 band. After all, the 3rd harmonic of 147.00 MHz is 441.00 Mhz. Same would, more or less, hold true for reject filters. And I said might... I just might do a test with a 3 can high band filter I have that is NG for normal 2 meter repeater splits. Wayne WA2YNE On Mon, 26 May 2008 14:41:30 -0500, David Piche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WELL I HAVE A QUESTION, HOW IS 440 MHz CONSIDERED THE 2M BAND? I WILL START THERE. --- On Sun, 5/25/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Radios to sale To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 25, 2008, 9:54 PM At 5/25/2008 00:17, you wrote: gt; Those are of no use for 2 meter ham, being as they are for a 5 MHz split. gt; However, it might be possible to use them on the 440 band. gt; gt; Wayne WA2YNE gt; Imperial, Tejas VHF HB mobile duplexers can't be tuned to 440, but if it's a 6-section duplexer, it can be tuned down to about 2.5 MHz, allowing use on 2 meters for portable repeaters. Bob NO6B -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] D-STAR, WinLink ALE Mentioned at FCC Forum at Dayton Hamvention
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
At 07:44 5/28/2008, Ron Wright wrote: Simplex repeaters have their use such as for announcments. As for regular radio-to-radio comm it sucks I think simplex repeaters have two obvious applications: 1. When no pairs are available they are an option on simplex frequencies 2. In the event a disaster takes out a repeater, they represent a way to retain function. You can put up a simplex repeater on the output frequency of the repeater, with an id that explains what is going on, and invites traffic. -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE gomberg1 at wcf dot com All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html -
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
At 07:44 5/28/2008, Ron Wright wrote: Simplex repeaters have their use such as for announcments. As for regular radio-to-radio comm it sucks I think simplex repeaters have two obvious applications: 1. When no pairs are available they are an option on simplex frequencies 2. In the event a disaster takes out a repeater, they represent a way to retain function. You can put up a simplex repeater on the output frequency of the repeater, with an id that explains what is going on, and invites traffic. -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE gomberg1 at wcf dot com All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html -
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up
Mark, I understand that Ext. Alert does not follow the NWS signals (specifically for End of Message), but stays high for a period of time and then drops. Am I understanding that correctly? If so, if the message is shorter than the timer on the Ext. Alert, does the repeater then just transmit dead air, or is the Ext. Alert forced low with the EOM signal. Dang. it's hard to test all this when the radio never goes off. 2 weeks ago, I'd have been going off every 5 minutes! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:59 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mike, If your controller has the ability to use speaker audio take it off the external pc connection and run that into the receiver input of the controller. I have not opened my unit yet so not sure where the discriminator connection would be. The ext alert works great for the COS input. Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ) _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:03 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Where are you grabbing audio from, Chuck? My original thought was to pull it off the volume pot. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:33 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Just to cover my faulty memory... it might be longer than 2 minutes, but it is several minutes - longer than I need. I simply have the controller shut it off when I want - with the time-out-timer for that port. Chuck - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers See below. - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers I just picked up a Midland WR-100 weather receiver to replace my sickly Radio Shack unit here at the house. I've been toying with interfacing a weather receiver with our repeater for a while and was considering getting another WR-100 (they're only $29 locally) for that purpose, but I have a couple of questions. 1) I see on RBTIP page that Midland WX receivers have a built-in fault because they will mute before receiving the EOM signal from NWS. Does anybody know if this is true of the WR-100? It doesn't follow the EOM. However, if you set it to tone it will stay active for about 2 minutes. 2) Does anybody know what types of alerts will trigger the External Alert function on the receiver? Obviously I want to capture Watches and Warnings, but would rather not catch the periodic tests. I know that I can tap into the lights, but if the External Alert function does what I want it to do, there's no point in reinventing the wheel. The external jack will pull low for watches and warnings, but not for tests. It will hold at a low state for about two minutes if the radio is set to tone. If you pick up the audio inside the radio, that stays active all the time, allowing you to command the WX on and off as needed. You could also configure your own timer with your controller. 3) Anybody using this receiver in a repeater application? Any hints? Yes, I feel it works perfectly adequate for my application. Thanks in advance es 73, Mike WM4B image001.jpgimage002.jpg
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up
It will transmit the NOAA radio for the duration, unless you shorten the length with your controller. Chuck - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:21 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mark, I understand that Ext. Alert does not follow the NWS signals (specifically for End of Message), but stays high for a period of time and then drops. Am I understanding that correctly? If so, if the message is shorter than the timer on the Ext. Alert, does the repeater then just transmit dead air, or is the Ext. Alert forced low with the EOM signal. Dang. it's hard to test all this when the radio never goes off. 2 weeks ago, I'd have been going off every 5 minutes! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:59 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mike, If your controller has the ability to use speaker audio take it off the external pc connection and run that into the receiver input of the controller. I have not opened my unit yet so not sure where the discriminator connection would be. The ext alert works great for the COS input. Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ) -- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:03 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Where are you grabbing audio from, Chuck? My original thought was to pull it off the volume pot. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:33 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Just to cover my faulty memory... it might be longer than 2 minutes, but it is several minutes - longer than I need. I simply have the controller shut it off when I want - with the time-out-timer for that port. Chuck - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers See below. - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers I just picked up a Midland WR-100 weather receiver to replace my sickly Radio Shack unit here at the house. I've been toying with interfacing a weather receiver with our repeater for a while and was considering getting another WR-100 (they're only $29 locally) for that purpose, but I have a couple of questions. 1) I see on RBTIP page that Midland WX receivers have a built-in fault because they will mute before receiving the EOM signal from NWS. Does anybody know if this is true of the WR-100? It doesn't follow the EOM. However, if you set it to tone it will stay active for about 2 minutes. 2) Does anybody know what types of alerts will trigger the External Alert function on the receiver? Obviously I want to capture Watches and Warnings, but would rather not catch the periodic tests. I know that I can tap into the lights, but if the External Alert function does what I want it to do, there's no point in reinventing the wheel. The external jack will pull low for watches and warnings, but not for tests. It will hold at a low state for about two minutes if the radio is set to tone. If you pick up the audio inside the radio, that stays active all the time, allowing you to command the WX on and off as needed. You could also configure your own timer with your controller. 3) Anybody using this receiver in a repeater application? Any hints? Yes, I feel it works perfectly adequate for my application. Thanks in advance es 73, Mike WM4B
[Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert
Is there an easy way to simulate a weather alert for testing. I was thinking of recording one and playing it through my service monitor but there must be one recorded somewhere Any ideas Rob. KS4EC Sent by Good Messaging (www.good.com) -Original Message- From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 07:24 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject:RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mark, I understand that Ext. Alert does not follow the NWS signals (specifically for End of Message), but stays high for a period of time and then drops. Am I understanding that correctly? If so, if the message is shorter than the timer on the Ext. Alert, does the repeater then just transmit dead air, or is the Ext. Alert forced low with the EOM signal. Dang. it's hard to test all this when the radio never goes off. 2 weeks ago, I'd have been going off every 5 minutes! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:59 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mike, If your controller has the ability to use speaker audio take it off the external pc connection and run that into the receiver input of the controller. I have not opened my unit yet so not sure where the discriminator connection would be. The ext alert works great for the COS input. Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ) _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:03 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Where are you grabbing audio from, Chuck? My original thought was to pull it off the volume pot. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:33 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Just to cover my faulty memory... it might be longer than 2 minutes, but it is several minutes - longer than I need. I simply have the controller shut it off when I want - with the time-out-timer for that port. Chuck - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers See below. - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers I just picked up a Midland WR-100 weather receiver to replace my sickly Radio Shack unit here at the house. I've been toying with interfacing a weather receiver with our repeater for a while and was considering getting another WR-100 (they're only $29 locally) for that purpose, but I have a couple of questions. 1) I see on RBTIP page that Midland WX receivers have a built-in fault because they will mute before receiving the EOM signal from NWS. Does anybody know if this is true of the WR-100? It doesn't follow the EOM. However, if you set it to tone it will stay active for about 2 minutes. 2) Does anybody know what types of alerts will trigger the External Alert function on the receiver? Obviously I want to capture Watches and Warnings, but would rather not catch the periodic tests. I know that I can tap into the lights, but if the External Alert function does what I want it to do, there's no point in reinventing the wheel. The external jack will pull low for watches and warnings, but not for tests. It will hold at a low state for about two minutes if the radio is set to tone. If you pick up the audio inside the radio, that stays active all the time, allowing you to command the WX on and off as needed. You could also configure your own timer with your controller. 3) Anybody using this receiver in a repeater application? Any hints? Yes, I feel it works perfectly adequate for my application. Thanks in advance es 73, Mike WM4B Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the
[Repeater-Builder] MASTR II won't unsquelch
I am baffled. I have a MASTR II that I had working at one time. Recently I have a problem with it. It will not unsquelch. It does receive, and a good signal will cause it to go full quieting. But without a signal, the squelch noise is present no matter where the squelch control is set. I have tried this with both the GE control head and with a special SQ/VOL board that I want to use so I don't have to use the control head. The receiver will not be squelched with either the control head or the special board. Has anyone had this experience? Can you suggest what could be causing this? Thanks for the help. I don't think I can solve this myself. The radio is a UHF unit, and the audio/squelch board is 19D423789. John Transue AF4PD
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert
Best thing you can do is call the local NWS office and request they originate a required weekly test. Alerts are time stamped and there is some debate over how old a message is before it is considered expired. On 5/28/08, Robert Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an easy way to simulate a weather alert for testing. I was thinking of recording one and playing it through my service monitor but there must be one recorded somewhere Any ideas Rob. KS4EC
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up
Well pooh! I really don't want to tie up the repeater for X-minutes with dead air. especially when there could be severe weather involved. VOX? Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:34 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up It will transmit the NOAA radio for the duration, unless you shorten the length with your controller. Chuck - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:21 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mark, I understand that Ext. Alert does not follow the NWS signals (specifically for End of Message), but stays high for a period of time and then drops. Am I understanding that correctly? If so, if the message is shorter than the timer on the Ext. Alert, does the repeater then just transmit dead air, or is the Ext. Alert forced low with the EOM signal. Dang. it's hard to test all this when the radio never goes off. 2 weeks ago, I'd have been going off every 5 minutes! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:59 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mike, If your controller has the ability to use speaker audio take it off the external pc connection and run that into the receiver input of the controller. I have not opened my unit yet so not sure where the discriminator connection would be. The ext alert works great for the COS input. Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ) _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:03 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Where are you grabbing audio from, Chuck? My original thought was to pull it off the volume pot. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:33 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Just to cover my faulty memory... it might be longer than 2 minutes, but it is several minutes - longer than I need. I simply have the controller shut it off when I want - with the time-out-timer for that port. Chuck - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers See below. - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers I just picked up a Midland WR-100 weather receiver to replace my sickly Radio Shack unit here at the house. I've been toying with interfacing a weather receiver with our repeater for a while and was considering getting another WR-100 (they're only $29 locally) for that purpose, but I have a couple of questions. 1) I see on RBTIP page that Midland WX receivers have a built-in fault because they will mute before receiving the EOM signal from NWS. Does anybody know if this is true of the WR-100? It doesn't follow the EOM. However, if you set it to tone it will stay active for about 2 minutes. 2) Does anybody know what types of alerts will trigger the External Alert function on the receiver? Obviously I want to capture Watches and Warnings, but would rather not catch the periodic tests. I know that I can tap into the lights, but if the External Alert function does what I want it to do, there's no point in reinventing the wheel. The external jack will pull low for watches and warnings, but not for tests. It will hold at a low state for about two minutes if the radio is set to tone. If you pick up the audio inside the radio, that stays active all the time, allowing you to command the WX on and off as needed. You could also configure your own timer with your controller. 3) Anybody using this receiver in a repeater application? Any hints? Yes, I feel it works perfectly adequate for my application. Thanks in advance es 73, Mike WM4B image001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up
Mike and Mark, I use a Radio Shack SAME receiver on my repeater. I have it remoted using a simple VOX circuit to key the remote transmitting to the repeater. Not the best, but does work. The Radio Shack unit comes up on an NWS alert and stays open for a fixed 5 minutes. The NWS alert does transmit the EAS signal at the end of the message, but the receiver does not close. It simply opens and stays open for 5 minutes. After the message the NWS normally gives the alert anouncement again and continues with its normal broadcast which keep the repeater open. Most of the time I am here and can manually kill the receiver, but still a pain. On the RS rcvr is an output that signals the alert, but stays active for the alert duration which might be an hour or whatever NWS says the time frame is. Not sure about any of the other SAME receivers, but would be good for a receiver to respond to the SAME alert and close on the end of message EAS signaling. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Mark, I understand that Ext. Alert does not follow the NWS signals (specifically for End of Message), but stays high for a period of time and then drops. Am I understanding that correctly? If so, if the message is shorter than the timer on the Ext. Alert, does the repeater then just transmit dead air, or is the Ext. Alert forced low with the EOM signal. Dang… it’s hard to test all this when the radio never goes off. 2 weeks ago, I’d have been going off every 5 minutes! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:59 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mike, If your controller has the ability to use speaker audio take it off the external pc connection and run that into the receiver input of the controller. I have not opened my unit yet so not sure where the discriminator connection would be. The ext alert works great for the COS input. Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ) ___ From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:03 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Where are you grabbing audio from, Chuck? My original thought was to pull it off the volume pot. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:33 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Just to cover my faulty memory... it might be longer than 2 minutes, but it is several minutes - longer than I need. I simply have the controller shut it off when I want - with the time-out-timer for that port. Chuck - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:23 PM mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com See below. mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:07 PM mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com I just picked up a Midland WR-100 weather receiver to replace my sickly Radio Shack unit here at the house. I’ve been toying with interfacing a weather receiver with our repeater for a while and was considering getting another WR-100 (they’re only $29 locally) for that purpose, but I have a couple of questions. mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 1) I see on RBTIP page that Midland WX receivers have a built-in fault because they will mute before receiving the EOM signal from NWS. Does anybody know if this is true of the WR-100? mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com It doesn't follow the EOM. However, if you set it to tone it will stay active for about 2 minutes. mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 2) Does anybody know what types of
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert
Our NWS here in Ruskin near Tampa, Florida, sends a test message each Wednesday between 1100-1200 and 1800-1900 hrs. I thought all NWS stations ran a weekly test. I would think a recording could be made for doing ones own testing. If your NWS gives a test find the times. Might have to do a full hour of recording. You would need to record an open receiver for most SAME receivers do not open until after the alert tones are sent. The EAS tone alert is sent 3 times at the beginning and end of the alert, but think my SAME receiver does not open until all signaling has been sent for I do not hear them...only hear the radio open with the test message. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:54 PM, DCFluX wrote: Best thing you can do is call the local NWS office and request they originate a required weekly test. Alerts are time stamped and there is some debate over how old a message is before it is considered expired. On 5/28/08, Robert Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED] com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there an easy way to simulate a weather alert for testing. I was thinking of recording one and playing it through my service monitor but there must be one recorded somewhere Any ideas Rob. KS4EC
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up
We tried a variety of off the shelf receivers, the WX-100 doesn't go off on tests so that was worthless. We tried a couple others and finally spend the money on the Cat WX-200 and just standardized on that. It does real well, it's a bit more spendy, but it does a regular drop and insert into the audio path making it impossible to miss. We have 6 of them on our repeaters, very nice. 73 N7HQR www.ocrg.org
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
On GMRS they have another function. You can give the family a blister pack radio and they can use it on the repeater. It's not perfect but it is a way to get people to learn more about radio. From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Gomberg Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:01 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios At 07:44 5/28/2008, Ron Wright wrote: Simplex repeaters have their use such as for announcments. As for regular radio-to-radio comm it sucks I think simplex repeaters have two obvious applications: 1. When no pairs are available they are an option on simplex frequencies 2. In the event a disaster takes out a repeater, they represent a way to retain function. You can put up a simplex repeater on the output frequency of the repeater, with an id that explains what is going on, and invites traffic. -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE gomberg1 at wcf dot com All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html -
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Radios
It does state in the regs one cannot put on a repeater for FRS. One can for GMRS that allows for higher power and requires a license, but not FRS. As for allowing simplex repeater on GMRS I could not find a restriction, but also did not find a reg allowing it. One point in the following: Sec. 95.194 (FRS Rule 4) FRS units. (a) You may only use an FCC certified FRS unit. (You can identify an FCC certified FRS unit by the label placed on it by the manufacturer.) (b) You must not make, or have made, any internal modification to an FRS unit. Any internal modification cancels the FCC certification and voids your authority to operate the unit in the FRS. (c) You may not attach any antenna, power amplifier, or other apparatus to an FRS unit that has not been FCC certified as part of that FRS unit. There are no exceptions to this rule and attaching any such apparatus to a FRS unit cancels the FCC certification and voids everyone's authority to operate the unit in the FRS. (d) FRS units are prohibited from transmitting data in store-and- forward packet operation mode. Paragraph (d) might be part of what you are looking for. Note for FRS, not GMRS. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't worry even the guys on the personal radio website can't figure this out. No one seems to agree on it. But it seems like as long as I don't have it ID when no one is on it then no one here will have a realy issue with it. Oh wait that was another discussion :) Anyway. There are plenty of them out there that have been running for quite some time so if the FCC really didn't want them they would either be shutting them down or putting something in the rules that says you can't do it. The only one I have ever heard being shut down was on FRS and they are unlicensed. Vern On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:51:01 -0500 (CDT) Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] net mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though FRS and GMRS share the same freq segment, they are treated differently. I don't think one can have a base station on FRS even if using low power. FRS rules would not apply to GMRS and vise/versa. If it says FRS only the reg would not apply to GMRS just as you said. I guess for simplex repeater I would feel safe if it stated they were allowed for GMRS. The FCC regs gives specific rules for the type of stations (repeater, base, HT, etc). Don't think they say anything about simplex repeater type station. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case it does say that you can't run a simplex or store and forward repeater on the FRS channels. If they didn't want it on GMRS wouldn't they just add or GMRS at the end of that line? Almost seems like they want to make sure you don't do it on the FRS channels so that you have to have a license to use it. Vern On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:49:47 -0500 (CDT) Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] net mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] net mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The way the FCC often looks at things if it don't say you can do it you cannot. Of course this is not always the case. It don't say in Part 97 one does not have to know the code to get a license. It does state what is required, but what is NOT required. However, in commercial serices often what one can do is spelled out and if not spelled out one cannot. The rules often tell one what you can do only. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:48 PM, sgreact47 wrote: mung_bungholio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am thinking about doing a store and forward repeater for GMRS. store and forward repeater(s) are forbidden on GMRS. ALL repeaters and base stations must meet .002% frequency tolerance. They also must meet the later transmitter audio filtering . Small base stations, 5watts or less, and mobiles must meet the .005% tolerance. mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] net mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert
This is What I have used for about 3 Yrs Now it will Come on When the NWS Sends the Sig and Will Close a Relay at the End of Transmission Automatically , Now with the You can use Design Your own Connection to Your repeater Sense Line, Timer Etc . Great Tech Support and I even had them do a little Custom work. Price is great and can be programmed with Your Computer; for the Alerts You want we have no Hurricanes Yet in Indiana so I just set it for what I wanted. I have Mine set up for Four Counties NWS and Amber Alerts. Look around on the Site Great info they do have more expensive items, But the Basic works fine for me http://www.emergencyalertradio.com/ PS Yes the Test alerts are Available , But as you can imagine In the Wrong Hands unfortunately we have to People who like to Play stupid games and They could be Life Threatening if used the Wrong way , Enough said about that Happy Repeater Building
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert
From the lit it appears one has to have it pre-programed. Wonder who and how this is done. Most off the shelf SAME receivers have user keyboard entry programming and can handle up to 16 SAME codes. Looks like this unit has 4. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:52 PM, ka9qjg wrote: This is What I have used for about 3 Yrs Now it will Come on When the NWS Sends the Sig and Will Close a Relay at the End of Transmission Automatically , Now with the You can use Design Your own Connection to Your repeater Sense Line, Timer Etc . Great Tech Support and I even had them do a little Custom work. Price is great and can be programmed with Your Computer; for the Alerts You want we have no Hurricanes Yet in Indiana so I just set it for what I wanted. I have Mine set up for Four Counties NWS and Amber Alerts. Look around on the Site Great info they do have more expensive items, But the Basic works fine for me http://www.emergenc yalertradio. com/ PS Yes the Test alerts are Available , But as you can imagine In the Wrong Hands unfortunately we have to People who like to Play stupid games and They could be Life Threatening if used the Wrong way , Enough said about that Happy Repeater Building
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up
Daron, Obviously, we're trying to do this on-the-cheap (since my research and labor doesn't cost the club anything. although it does get me in trouble with the XYL more often than not!). Actually, I don't want our receiver to respond to tests. Although it'd be nice to know that the receiver was working okay, I really don't want to pass that test info over the air. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daron Wilson Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:31 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up We tried a variety of off the shelf receivers, the WX-100 doesn't go off on tests so that was worthless. We tried a couple others and finally spend the money on the Cat WX-200 and just standardized on that. It does real well, it's a bit more spendy, but it does a regular drop and insert into the audio path making it impossible to miss. We have 6 of them on our repeaters, very nice. 73 N7HQR www.ocrg.org image001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up
Ron, Do you have a copy of the VOX circuit you use? No point in reinventing the wheel if you’ve already invented it! Any problem with falsing? I was considering using the VOX running that output to an AND gate along with the Aux Alert signal. That way, both would have to be present for the COS to pull in. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wright Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:24 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mike and Mark, I use a Radio Shack SAME receiver on my repeater. I have it remoted using a simple VOX circuit to key the remote transmitting to the repeater. Not the best, but does work. The Radio Shack unit comes up on an NWS alert and stays open for a fixed 5 minutes. The NWS alert does transmit the EAS signal at the end of the message, but the receiver does not close. It simply opens and stays open for 5 minutes. After the message the NWS normally gives the alert anouncement again and continues with its normal broadcast which keep the repeater open. Most of the time I am here and can manually kill the receiver, but still a pain. On the RS rcvr is an output that signals the alert, but stays active for the alert duration which might be an hour or whatever NWS says the time frame is. Not sure about any of the other SAME receivers, but would be good for a receiver to respond to the SAME alert and close on the end of message EAS signaling. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Mark, I understand that Ext. Alert does not follow the NWS signals (specifically for End of Message), but stays high for a period of time and then drops. Am I understanding that correctly? If so, if the message is shorter than the timer on the Ext. Alert, does the repeater then just transmit dead air, or is the Ext. Alert forced low with the EOM signal. Dang… it’s hard to test all this when the radio never goes off. 2 weeks ago, I’d have been going off every 5 minutes! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:59 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mike, If your controller has the ability to use speaker audio take it off the external pc connection and run that into the receiver input of the controller. I have not opened my unit yet so not sure where the discriminator connection would be. The ext alert works great for the COS input. Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ) ___ From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:03 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Where are you grabbing audio from, Chuck? My original thought was to pull it off the volume pot. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:33 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Just to cover my faulty memory... it might be longer than 2 minutes, but it is several minutes - longer than I need. I simply have the controller shut it off when I want - with the time-out-timer for that port. Chuck - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers See below. - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers I just picked up a Midland WR-100 weather receiver to replace my sickly Radio Shack unit here at the house. I’ve been toying with interfacing a weather receiver with our repeater for a while and was considering getting another WR-100 (they’re only $29 locally) for that purpose, but I have a couple of questions. 1) I see on RBTIP page that Midland WX receivers have a built-in fault because they will mute before receiving the EOM signal from NWS. Does anybody know if this is true of the WR-100? It doesn't follow the EOM. However, if you set it to tone it will stay active for about 2 minutes. 2) Does anybody
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert
Here's a question. Can one if he wanted to put his/her own weather station on a repeater? I have a Davis Weather Station which has a capability for a card which would normally be used for a telephone. I wonder if that can be used as a controller to link in to the repeater. It would give local current conditions and rain and then I would only use a weather radio for alerts. We have high wind and tornadoes here so fun indeed. Thanks for the help. Scott N7Zib _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ka9qjg Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert This is What I have used for about 3 Yrs Now it will Come on When the NWS Sends the Sig and Will Close a Relay at the End of Transmission Automatically , Now with the You can use Design Your own Connection to Your repeater Sense Line, Timer Etc . Great Tech Support and I even had them do a little Custom work. Price is great and can be programmed with Your Computer; for the Alerts You want we have no Hurricanes Yet in Indiana so I just set it for what I wanted. I have Mine set up for Four Counties NWS and Amber Alerts. Look around on the Site Great info they do have more expensive items, But the Basic works fine for me http://www.emergencyalertradio.com/ PS Yes the Test alerts are Available , But as you can imagine In the Wrong Hands unfortunately we have to People who like to Play stupid games and They could be Life Threatening if used the Wrong way , Enough said about that Happy Repeater Building
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert
Yes the cat 200 and probably others in the series can connect to a WX station and do all kinds of reporting. They can be put at the site as the main repeater controller or connected to a radio and be operated remotely Rob Sent by Good Messaging (www.good.com) -Original Message- From: Scott Berry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 09:15 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject:RE: [Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert Here's a question. Can one if he wanted to put his/her own weather station on a repeater? I have a Davis Weather Station which has a capability for a card which would normally be used for a telephone. I wonder if that can be used as a controller to link in to the repeater. It would give local current conditions and rain and then I would only use a weather radio for alerts. We have high wind and tornadoes here so fun indeed. Thanks for the help. Scott N7Zib _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ka9qjg Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert This is What I have used for about 3 Yrs Now it will Come on When the NWS Sends the Sig and Will Close a Relay at the End of Transmission Automatically , Now with the You can use Design Your own Connection to Your repeater Sense Line, Timer Etc . Great Tech Support and I even had them do a little Custom work. Price is great and can be programmed with Your Computer; for the Alerts You want we have no Hurricanes Yet in Indiana so I just set it for what I wanted. I have Mine set up for Four Counties NWS and Amber Alerts. Look around on the Site Great info they do have more expensive items, But the Basic works fine for me http://www.emergencyalertradio.com/ PS Yes the Test alerts are Available , But as you can imagine In the Wrong Hands unfortunately we have to People who like to Play stupid games and They could be Life Threatening if used the Wrong way , Enough said about that Happy Repeater Building Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer.
[Repeater-Builder] NHRC-2 PC Board Art
I'd like to build the NHRC-2 repeater controller, I have all the parts except for a PC board, before I try and do my own board, is the mask to make your own anywhere? I'd do the kit from NHRC but I already got all the parts I need in stock vs getting the parts in the kit.I dunno if the board is available by itself or not. If I can't find it I figure I'd do one up from the schematics for what I need. Trying to get a backup controller for our 146 repeater and a new controller for our 440 repeater built. Thanks for any info or assistance. Keith Dobbins KC8RFW Repeater Technician W8TAP Repeater Group Parkersburg, WV 26101
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert
I am using a RS model now with vox, it works great and mutes at the end of message signal. I have the audio coming in an aux port and the vox triggering an alarm input. When it recieves an alert it says Weather Alert at the end of month it says Weather alert clear and sends a CW Ident. I am now trying to figure out how to get my repeater controller to record the message on its DVR so it can be replayed at intervals, mainly for warnings. I also want to change the beep and tail message to indicate that there is an active watch or warning. I am having trouble sensing the lights and activating alarm inputs on the controller, hence the need for the way to send test alerts...with the service monitor connected directly to the reciever of course!! I saw a note about a sets sound file being available, can someone tell me off list where I can get it Thanks again. Rob. KS4EC Sent by Good Messaging (www.good.com) -Original Message- From: DCFluX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 07:56 PM Eastern Standard Time To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject:Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simulating a weather alert Best thing you can do is call the local NWS office and request they originate a required weekly test. Alerts are time stamped and there is some debate over how old a message is before it is considered expired. On 5/28/08, Robert Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an easy way to simulate a weather alert for testing. I was thinking of recording one and playing it through my service monitor but there must be one recorded somewhere Any ideas Rob. KS4EC Since 1974, the award-winning Alpert JFCS has helped families of all faiths throughout most of Palm Beach County, FL, via counseling, seniors services, residences for the disabled, mentoring children, support groups and a lot more. SOLUTIONS FOR LIVING www.JFCSonline.com Please take note of our new website and E-Mail Addresses. Please update your contacts ASAP. NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged and confidential information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and please delete it from your computer.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] R100 Programming
David, You cannot program or change the CTCSS (PL) tone unless your R100 is equipped with the PL Command Board. If your unit is equipped with the CDCSS (DPL) or the carrier squelch command board, you're out of luck. The R100 service manual is here: www.repeater-builder.com/motorola/r100/uhf-r100-service-manual-6881078e15-o .pdf or at this TinyURL: http://tinyurl.com/yvzn2s 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:17 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] R100 Programming Does anyone have any info or manual to assist in a Motorola R100 RT100 repeater or could possibly answer a few questions. I have rss for v1.9 for the R100 and have been able to change the freq and tune the unit now but cannot find where in the rss the PL or DPL is programmed. If you are familiar with V1.9, it is not like the common moto rss software. Thanks.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] NHRC-2 PC Board Art
You used to be able to get just the board with the programmed PIC from NHRC. I think FAR cicuits also used to have the boards. It might be worth checking. The websites are NHRC.net and farcircuits.net. Paul, kb9wlc - Original Message From: Keith Dobbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:23:06 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] NHRC-2 PC Board Art I'd like to build the NHRC-2 repeater controller, I have all the parts except for a PC board, before I try and do my own board, is the mask to make your own anywhere? I'd do the kit from NHRC but I already got all the parts I need in stock vs getting the parts in the kit.I dunno if the board is available by itself or not. If I can't find it I figure I'd do one up from the schematics for what I need. Trying to get a backup controller for our 146 repeater and a new controller for our 440 repeater built. Thanks for any info or assistance. Keith Dobbins KC8RFW Repeater Technician W8TAP Repeater Group Parkersburg, WV 26101
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Earthquake Resistant
Roger, Perhaps the best reference on the topic is the Uniform Building Code, available in most libraries. Another source is seismic bracing on the Internet. However, there are many common sense precautions that can be taken, among them: 1. Mount heavy and/or dense objects (power supplies and batteries) at the lowest point in a rack, or on the floor. 2. Bolt all racks and cabinets to the concrete floor with heavy-duty (1/2 inch or larger) anchor bolts. 3. Brace the tops of racks and cabinets to the ceiling, or cross-brace them from wall to wall with steel strut. 4. Brace air conditioners, shelves, and any appliance or fixture against the wall with heavy-duty anchors. 5. Equip all storage lockers and cabinets with substantial latches on the doors. 6. Don't leave any test equipment sitting on a bench or table, where it can slide off. If your equipment shack is not made of reinforced concrete, you might need to add reinforcing plates on the outside wall to keep the anchors from pulling through the wall. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Stacey Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:22 PM To: Repeater-Builder Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Earthquake Resistant Hi all, Our group wants to upgrade our repeater site to be more earthquake resistant. We realize that there are no earthquake proof repeaters but we want to improve any chances of survivability. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Roger VA7RS
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton 2008 Chuckle (Tac-Tec - humor)
Maybe I could help you clean out YOUR garage after one of your field trips? George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 (on the other side of Chicago from you...) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Dayton 2008 Chuckle (Tac-Tec - humor) I have a pretty good relationship with the two local shops here in town, one Macom and the other Motorola. They regularly call me to help clean out the garage. I get free GE equipment at the Motorola shop and free Motorola equipment at the GE shop. I remember dragging home a working VHF MSR2000 that was traded in at the GE place. Best of both worlds. Chris N9LLO
Re: [Repeater-Builder] NHRC-2 PC Board Art
The kit is available for about $40 from NHRC and contains the Bd the programmed PIC and i think 2 other chips. The voice chip is not included and if you want it and they have it it's about $10 more Dend them a email with any questions, they are pretty quick to respond. All the info. about the -2 is on there web site . Just Google NHRC. -- Doug N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709 Keith Dobbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = I'd like to build the NHRC-2 repeater controller, I have all the parts except for a PC board, before I try and do my own board, is the mask to make your own anywhere? I'd do the kit from NHRC but I already got all the parts I need in stock vs getting the parts in the kit.I dunno if the board is available by itself or not. If I can't find it I figure I'd do one up from the schematics for what I need. Trying to get a backup controller for our 146 repeater and a new controller for our 440 repeater built. Thanks for any info or assistance. Keith Dobbins KC8RFW Repeater Technician W8TAP Repeater Group Parkersburg, WV 26101
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sunday at Dayton - Part Deux
You seem to have some misinformation on this thread. Nowhere did anyone say anything about a password. Only about user names and email names. On Ebay, I use the same name that I started with a good time ago. My password is my business, and nobody gets it, period. Wayne WA2YNE Imperial, Tejas 441.950TX 446.950RX 167.9tone On Tue, 27 May 2008 11:34:37 -0500, Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were you I would use different names, totally different names for the user and pasword. NOT a stupid rule. I am sure e-bay has had problems of someone bidding $1000 on a screw by someone using anothers account. Really I would suggest one does not discuss their passwords in any way. User names are posted even if you bid so not a problem, but password is the key to all. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Wayne wrote: I don't know when they changed it, but as I said in another reply, I did have the same name for my email as I have for my user name on Ebay. Seems like a stupid rule when you look at it. One used to be able to link to pictures on another site for auctions as well, but they stopped that as well. Like it was easy for me to put a number of pictures of an item on my site and link directly to them for an auction. Now you can't. But at least they changed it so you could add several pictures without running into extra charges. Not many other choices nowadays, as what was their early competition went away some time back. YMMV -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up
Guys, In normal consumer use, letting the receiver stay on indefinitely would be a good thing. If you were away from home, and arrived home to find the receiver squawking, you'd know you missed an alert. I wonder if we could define a standard DTMF sequence, and have NOAA send it at the end of each bulletin or test. Then, at least, we could program our controllers to shut down the receiver automatically. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Ron Wright To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mike and Mark, I use a Radio Shack SAME receiver on my repeater. I have it remoted using a simple VOX circuit to key the remote transmitting to the repeater. Not the best, but does work. The Radio Shack unit comes up on an NWS alert and stays open for a fixed 5 minutes. The NWS alert does transmit the EAS signal at the end of the message, but the receiver does not close. It simply opens and stays open for 5 minutes. After the message the NWS normally gives the alert anouncement again and continues with its normal broadcast which keep the repeater open. Most of the time I am here and can manually kill the receiver, but still a pain. On the RS rcvr is an output that signals the alert, but stays active for the alert duration which might be an hour or whatever NWS says the time frame is. Not sure about any of the other SAME receivers, but would be good for a receiver to respond to the SAME alert and close on the end of message EAS signaling. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Mark, I understand that Ext. Alert does not follow the NWS signals (specifically for End of Message), but stays high for a period of time and then drops. Am I understanding that correctly? If so, if the message is shorter than the timer on the Ext. Alert, does the repeater then just transmit dead air, or is the Ext. Alert forced low with the EOM signal. Dang… it’s hard to test all this when the radio never goes off. 2 weeks ago, I’d have been going off every 5 minutes! Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mullarkey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:59 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Mike, If your controller has the ability to use speaker audio take it off the external pc connection and run that into the receiver input of the controller. I have not opened my unit yet so not sure where the discriminator connection would be. The ext alert works great for the COS input. Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ) ___ From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Besemer (WM4B) Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:03 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Where are you grabbing audio from, Chuck? My original thought was to pull it off the volume pot. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:33 PM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers - follow up Just to cover my faulty memory... it might be longer than 2 minutes, but it is several minutes - longer than I need. I simply have the controller shut it off when I want - with the time-out-timer for that port. Chuck - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers See below. - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Weather Receivers I just picked up a Midland WR-100 weather receiver to replace my sickly Radio Shack unit here at the house. I’ve been toying with interfacing a weather receiver with our repeater for a while and was considering getting another WR-100 (they’re only $29 locally) for that purpose, but I have a couple of questions. 1) I see on RBTIP page that Midland WX receivers have a built-in fault because they will mute before receiving the EOM signal from NWS. Does anybody know if this is true of the WR-100? It doesn't follow the EOM. However, if you set it to tone it will stay active for about 2 minutes. 2) Does anybody know what types of alerts
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Weather Receivers - follow up
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Daron Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We tried a variety of off the shelf receivers, the WX-100 doesn't go http://www.emergencyalertradio.com/5120.pdfoff on tests so that was worthless. We tried a couple others and finally spend the money on the Cat WX-200 and just standardized on that. It does real well, it's a bit more spendy, but it does a regular drop and insert into the audio path making it impossible to miss. We have 6 of them on our repeaters, very nice. 73 N7HQR www.ocrg.org Ever look at one of these? Used it for years at home until a power surge took it out. Good little box. But, never hooked it to a repeater. Responds to start and ending tones. Software to program it is free online from them. Here's a link. Hope this helps. http://www.emergencyalertradio.com/ http://www.emergencyalertradio.com/5120.pdf 73 WA0RTU
