[Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
Used to have to have it for land mobile but not any more. Still need it for avionics and marine. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, WD7F - John in Tucson w...@... wrote: I was able to use my full name in a search and it came up, however, I had a ship's radar endorsement that's not shown. What good is the GROL anyway? Does anyone honor it? de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Don Davison To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site same problem Don, but a slightly different approach. May want to wait a day or 2...problem(?) From the past tial (and success) I noticed my issue date for the GROL was different than perceived. Perhaps a change in recording created a different date (date of the recording change). What comes to mind is when the FCC changed from 1st class designation to the GROL ident., but I'm not sure. Don kb0caq -- From: Don Kupferschmidt dkupf...@... To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 2:03:30 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site I have both amateur and commercial licenses with them. I'm having problems trying to access their database. I went to QRZ, looked up my license, then hyperlinked to the FCC web page from QRZ's listing. There I found my FRN number and inserted it onto the ULS license database for commercial licenses. It didn't find anything. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? TIA, Don, KD9PT - Original Message - From: Joe To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site I finally found the link to the database, the FCC makes nothing easy. Here it is: http://wireless2. fcc.gov/UlsApp/ UlsSearch/ searchFrc. jsp;JSESSIONID_ ULSSEARCH= tvF3LwnPwJvK9fNV 5tTvYBFhHq63rMp7 GHRY7yLR3QWF27W6 hF00!-392727333! -1803037743 Only 152 characters to type, error free. Or use this: http://tinyurl. com/yzaby3r I'm in it, so I can now loose my paper copy worry free. 73, Joe, K1ike* * Fuggitaboutit wrote: many people dont realize that the fcc has never put your old grol (ie) on the new FCC data base that was started in the late 90s it seems that if you had a grol before 1998 or thereabouts ( the inception of the fcc online data base), then your license may not be in the database forget trying to get them to look up your paper license if you lose the paper license, you are out of luck and will have to retest you may be able to call them up and tell them your info from your copy these licenses are still classified as lifetime licenses check yours on line on their site just to make sure its in there you probably have checked the site for your amateur information don't be surprised if you think you have a valid commercial license and you discover there is no record of it on the fcc site -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2778 - Release Date: 03/29/10 18:32:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
On 3/30/2010 7:24 AM, wb6dgn wrote: Used to have to have it for land mobile but not any more. Still need it for avionics and marine. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, WD7F - John in Tucsonw...@... wrote: I was able to use my full name in a search and it came up, however, I had a ship's radar endorsement that's not shown. What good is the GROL anyway? Does anyone honor it? de WD7F John in Tucson Most companies that are involved in land mobile in some way or another still require a GROL or another equivalent license/certificate (NABER/PCIA, etc).
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Helix / Connectors
On 3/29/2010 9:16 PM, Joe wrote: I don't think I would use any kind of compound on RF connectors. I went to the RFS aluminum CELLFLEX®Lite training and no compound was recommended. Now, I'm not a fan of aluminum cable, but if it's going to be used I would use only manufacturer recommended connectors, no compound, torque the connector properly (this does not mean white knuckle tight), and properly weatherseal the connection. Proper installation techniques need to be followed so as not to crush or kink the cable. Joe The only compound I see recommended on hardline connectors is PTFE lubricants to keep threads from seizing. They even discourage the silicon lubes as they tend to break down. DCFluX wrote: The connectors should be fine, I wouldn't trust the aluminum feedline. You may want to try using an anti-oxidation compound, such as No-Ox or Aluminum Ox-Gard during assembly. Aluminum Heliax? Never heard of it. I didn't get the beginning of this thread...
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
I have also seen some Federal Govt repair Service Contracts that require GROL or Equivalent Commercial License in order to perform on premises. Doug From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wd8chl Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:39 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site On 3/30/2010 7:24 AM, wb6dgn wrote: Used to have to have it for land mobile but not any more. Still need it for avionics and marine. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , WD7F - John in Tucsonw...@... wrote: I was able to use my full name in a search and it came up, however, I had a ship's radar endorsement that's not shown. What good is the GROL anyway? Does anyone honor it? de WD7F John in Tucson Most companies that are involved in land mobile in some way or another still require a GROL or another equivalent license/certificate (NABER/PCIA, etc). __._,
[Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
Come to think of it, when I worked for the contractor at the Air Force Base, they did require it, along with security checks. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Doug Bade k...@... wrote: I have also seen some Federal Govt repair Service Contracts that require GROL or Equivalent Commercial License in order to perform on premises. Doug From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wd8chl Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:39 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site On 3/30/2010 7:24 AM, wb6dgn wrote: Used to have to have it for land mobile but not any more. Still need it for avionics and marine. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , WD7F - John in Tucsonwd7f@ wrote: I was able to use my full name in a search and it came up, however, I had a ship's radar endorsement that's not shown. What good is the GROL anyway? Does anyone honor it? de WD7F John in Tucson Most companies that are involved in land mobile in some way or another still require a GROL or another equivalent license/certificate (NABER/PCIA, etc). __._,
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
I grandfathered in when then junked the 1st Class license. :-( After searching the FCC site I noticed that they have my date totally screwed up. Anyone know if their database got trashed at some time? GROL today is a simple, 'we give you the questions, we give you the answers... just remember the right one'. Not worth too much. - Original Message - From: Doug Bade To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:45 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site I have also seen some Federal Govt repair Service Contracts that require GROL or Equivalent Commercial License in order to perform on premises. Doug From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wd8chl Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:39 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site On 3/30/2010 7:24 AM, wb6dgn wrote: Used to have to have it for land mobile but not any more. Still need it for avionics and marine. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, WD7F - John in Tucsonw...@... wrote: I was able to use my full name in a search and it came up, however, I had a ship's radar endorsement that's not shown. What good is the GROL anyway? Does anyone honor it? de WD7F John in Tucson Most companies that are involved in land mobile in some way or another still require a GROL or another equivalent license/certificate (NABER/PCIA, etc). __._,
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Helix / Connectors
The Andrew connectors came with a small tube of grease, presumably silicon, that was to be used only on the O rings. Some of the newer connectors seem to come with no grease. I don't remember having a hardline connector seize up, except if it had serious water contamination. In that case, the connectors were bad and they were cut off. I've never seen PTFE used on connectors. Joe wd8chl wrote: The only compound I see recommended on hardline connectors is PTFE lubricants to keep threads from seizing. They even discourage the silicon lubes as they tend to break down.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
If you're job hunting in the wireless/RF job sector a GROL can be helpful on your resume. It adds another hit on your resume if someone happens to pick that phrase to search for. Some jobs that were established years ago still contain the phrase GROL in their job description or requirements. 1st Class may also appear too. When your dealing with a Human Resource department, sometimes the people searching for potential employees have no idea what they are looking for. They just go by what is written in the job description or job requirements. Headhunters are the same. I've had calls from agencies that don't have a clue what the job is about, or that Connecticut is really on the East coast. Joe
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
It was not worth much around 1971 or 72 when I passed the first class. I was about 21 at the time. I had never seen a TV transmitter and only got to look into a 1000 watt AM station control room and could see the tubes through a glass window. Passed it the first time. I only wanted the second class, but it only cost $ 1.00 more to take the first class From: Mike Wehr weh...@comcast.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 9:01:03 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site I grandfathered in when then junked the 1st Class license. :-( After searching the FCC site I noticed that they have my date totally screwed up. Anyone know if their database got trashed at some time? GROL today is a simple, 'we give you the questions, we give you the answers... just remember the right one'. Not worth too much.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
Hi Ralph In 1961 took the !st Class Phone. did not pass it first time,but did on the 2nd try.It helped me to get 3 Great Jobs, also as an Chief Engineer Of an AM Radio Station. It had Value then, I feel it still does to some extent,although being 76 years old retired. Will never use it again. Just my Nickle, which is not of much value. Wesley AB8KD - Original Message - From: Ralph Mowery To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site It was not worth much around 1971 or 72 when I passed the first class. I was about 21 at the time. I had never seen a TV transmitter and only got to look into a 1000 watt AM station control room and could see the tubes through a glass window. Passed it the first time. I only wanted the second class, but it only cost $ 1.00 more to take the first class -- From: Mike Wehr weh...@comcast.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 9:01:03 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site I grandfathered in when then junked the 1st Class license. :-( After searching the FCC site I noticed that they have my date totally screwed up. Anyone know if their database got trashed at some time? GROL today is a simple, 'we give you the questions, we give you the answers... just remember the right one'. Not worth too much.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
You're right Ralph. We needed 1st Class years ago because the FCC required it and it was valued because people really had know something about electronics and had to work on transmitters. Today - know where the on/off switch is? PTT? Here's your GROL...you're good to go. Hmmm, kind of like today's ham radio licenses. Just dial 1-800-TOO-HARD and they'll send you one in the mail. ;-) - Original Message - From: Wesley Bazell To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site Hi Ralph In 1961 took the !st Class Phone. did not pass it first time,but did on the 2nd try.It helped me to get 3 Great Jobs, also as an Chief Engineer Of an AM Radio Station. It had Value then, I feel it still does to some extent,although being 76 years old retired. Will never use it again. Just my Nickle, which is not of much value. Wesley AB8KD - Original Message - From: Ralph Mowery To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site It was not worth much around 1971 or 72 when I passed the first class. I was about 21 at the time. I had never seen a TV transmitter and only got to look into a 1000 watt AM station control room and could see the tubes through a glass window. Passed it the first time. I only wanted the second class, but it only cost $ 1.00 more to take the first class From: Mike Wehr weh...@comcast.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 9:01:03 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site I grandfathered in when then junked the 1st Class license. :-( After searching the FCC site I noticed that they have my date totally screwed up. Anyone know if their database got trashed at some time? GROL today is a simple, 'we give you the questions, we give you the answers... just remember the right one'. Not worth too much.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
I got the First Phone about the same time, and about the same age. I was a budding DJ, and there were AM stations with complex directional arrays which would only hire night DJs with the First, because they'd be working alone in the building and were required to have a First at the control point. I still have that original certificate, with CANCELLED stamped across it, in a little picture frame. You could ask to get them stamped and returned to you when they expired, I suppose for just that purpose. Someday I'll be asked, Grandpa, what's that on your wall? What's radio? ;^) Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Ralph Mowery To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site It was not worth much around 1971 or 72 when I passed the first class. I was about 21 at the time. I had never seen a TV transmitter and only got to look into a 1000 watt AM station control room and could see the tubes through a glass window. Passed it the first time. I only wanted the second class, but it only cost $ 1.00 more to take the first class
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
Realizing that this is off topic and will end soon. . . 1969 was my first year on the air (19 years old) (BTW: I'm 60 today, March 30), and had to get a First Class Phone Ticket. It expired in the files during my career at Motorola because we didn't post them on the wall. Feeling bad, I retook the test in 2001 and got the General Radio Operators License. I couldn't believe it. Some of the same questions were on there - like Grid Dip Meter questions! Kids today would say a grid dip what? Does that come with chips? Bill Hudson W6CBS _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Plack Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:10 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site I got the First Phone about the same time, and about the same age. I was a budding DJ, and there were AM stations with complex directional arrays which would only hire night DJs with the First, because they'd be working alone in the building and were required to have a First at the control point. I still have that original certificate, with CANCELLED stamped across it, in a little picture frame. You could ask to get them stamped and returned to you when they expired, I suppose for just that purpose. Someday I'll be asked, Grandpa, what's that on your wall? What's radio? ;^) Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Ralph Mowery mailto:ku...@yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site It was not worth much around 1971 or 72 when I passed the first class. I was about 21 at the time. I had never seen a TV transmitter and only got to look into a 1000 watt AM station control room and could see the tubes through a glass window. Passed it the first time. I only wanted the second class, but it only cost $ 1.00 more to take the first class
[Repeater-Builder] Motorola R2008C manual
I need a maintenance service manual for a Motorola R2008C service monitor. Any help would be appreciated. I bought one of these monitors, and the power supply went out. Will pay reasonable price. Thanks.
[Repeater-Builder] Doug Hall 4RV Voter
Hello! Does anyone have a service manual for the Doug Hall Voter 4RV Voter? Thanks Nick
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Helix / Connectors
It's what Andrew calls Heliax 2.0 AVA, Andrew Virtual Air and AVAL Andrew Virtual Air Aluminum. They are using a new lower density foam and thinner copper to get slightly improved attenuation. Stay away from the aluminum stuff, the corrugated shield is too thin and brittle. It's hard to install connectors on and it doesn't bend very well. Been there too many times already, got the hat but not the T-Shirt. ;-) Bill KB1MGH DCFluX wrote: The connectors should be fine, I wouldn't trust the aluminum feedline. You may want to try using an anti-oxidation compound, such as No-Ox or Aluminum Ox-Gard during assembly. Aluminum Heliax? Never heard of it. I didn't get the beginning of this thread...
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Helix / Connectors
RFS also has aluminum-shield versions of their standard LCF line too - the part numbers all end in L for Lite (such as LCF78-50JL). Aluminum-shielded cable isn't anything new. It's pretty much the standard in CATV, and was quite common in two-way back in the day as well. Andrew, Prodelin, Phelps-Dodge, et al made different flavors of it, both corrugated and smooth-wall, jacketed and unjacketed. I've had way too many problems with aluminum shielded cables to ever consider buying it again. I'll spend the few extra pennies on the good stuff (copper). --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 3:54 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Helix / Connectors It's what Andrew calls Heliax 2.0 AVA, Andrew Virtual Air and AVAL Andrew Virtual Air Aluminum. They are using a new lower density foam and thinner copper to get slightly improved attenuation. Stay away from the aluminum stuff, the corrugated shield is too thin and brittle. It's hard to install connectors on and it doesn't bend very well. Been there too many times already, got the hat but not the T-Shirt. ;-) Bill KB1MGH DCFluX wrote: The connectors should be fine, I wouldn't trust the aluminum feedline. You may want to try using an anti-oxidation compound, such as No-Ox or Aluminum Ox-Gard during assembly. Aluminum Heliax? Never heard of it. I didn't get the beginning of this thread...
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Doug Hall 4RV Voter
Nicholas Cerreto wrote: Hello! Does anyone have a service manual for the Doug Hall Voter 4RV Voter? Not likely...A manual with schematic is not offered by Hall. If you need it repaired, try shotgunning the IC's or send it back to them for repair. Kevin Custer
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Helix / Connectors
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010, Jeff DePolo wrote: Aluminum-shielded cable isn't anything new. It's pretty much the standard in CATV, and was quite common in two-way back in the day as well. Andrew, Prodelin, Phelps-Dodge, et al made different flavors of it, both corrugated and smooth-wall, jacketed and unjacketed. I've had way too many problems with aluminum shielded cables to ever consider buying it again. I'll spend the few extra pennies on the good stuff (copper). When you're pricing out 440 feet of coax, the pennies add up to quite a few dollars. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
[Repeater-Builder] Zetron 30 Worldpatch and a Master 2 repeater ???
Hi well i wonder if someone here in the group have ever connected an Zetron 30 over the back panel with screews of the Master 2 ? if you done it,would you have some pictures? and where the cable,on wich screews it is connectedé thanks for your help 73/s gervais ve2ckn
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Helix / Connectors
When you're pricing out 440 feet of coax, the pennies add up to quite a few dollars. Depends on how you look at it. The difference becomes insignificant when you look at the big picture. The price of 440 feet of line is a small fraction of the total project cost once you add in connectors, hoisting grips, ground kits, hangers, weatherproofing, jumpers, plus the cost of the actual antenna, mount, pipe, etc.. Then add in installation labor. By the time all is said and done, the difference in the total project cost for copper versus aluminum ends up being negligible. While the cost of the cable alone may be 15% mroe for copper versus aluminum, the total project cost variation is likely going to be only a few percent. Typical installation, throwing out rough numbers: 440' of 7/8 AL5-50 @ $3/ft = $1320 2 connectors = $60 4 ground kits = $80 2 hoisting grips = $40 100 snap-ins = $150 Antenna = $1000 Mount = $250 Jumpers = $100 Lightning arrestor = $100 Labor = $1500 (lowballed - 3 men @ $500/day) PROJECT TOTAL: $4,600 Vary the cost of the feedline by +15% (the difference in cost between aluminum and copper line), project total becomes $4,798, a bottom-line difference of 4.3%. To me, it's not worth the gamble. One trip up the tower to investigate a problem and you've already blown that tiny differential in cost savings. If we assume that properly-installed Heliax should last 20 years, the aluminum needs to last at least 19 years in order to break even (ignoring inflation). Sure, I'd like to pocket the $200 difference, but I'd much rather sleep well at night knowing that I haven't cut corners. And antennas and feedlines are NOT where you cut corners... Also note that the Al cables have slightly more loss than their Cu counterparts, so there's a slight performance tradeoff as well. By the way, Andrew's prices are going up across-the-board on April 8th (I think that's the right date), so if you're planning on ordering anything, do it sooner rather than later. --- Jeff WN3A
[Repeater-Builder] 449 MHz Wind Profiler Radar?
Did I miss this in an earlier thread, or is this a surprise? Paul, AE4KR Honeywell Wins Contract to Build 449 MHz Wind Profiler PHOENIX, March 29, 2010 -- Honeywell (NYSE: HON) today announced that it has been awarded a $49 million contract to upgrade the National Weather Service's radar wind profiler network that will predict severe storms earlier and provide the public with more accurate warnings of upcoming storms. For nearly two decades, ground weather radar improvements have been mostly incremental - yet weather patterns and storms around the globe have become more severe, said Vince Trim, president, Honeywell Technology Solutions, Inc. Honeywell is building a ground radar wind profiler network that can predict severe storms earlier and more reliably while better able to withstand hurricane force winds year after year. Honeywell's work on the production phase of the Next Generation National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Profiler Network contract includes upgrading the NOAA network of wind profilers that provide upper air wind data for crucial weather forecasting tasks. The NOAA Profiler Network has been operating continuously since 1992 and the equipment is now unsupportable. Honeywell's solution, which includes upgrades to the antenna, RF hardware, signal processing, networking, and other system components will provide the technology improvements to bring the profiler network up to a supportable, maintainable, and reliable level. Honeywell will change the radio frequency of existing 404 MHz profilers by replacing them with 449 MHz systems. This will prevent the existing interference with search and rescue satellite-aided tracking transponders...
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Doug Hall 4RV Voter
Kevin Custer kug...@... wrote: Not likely... A manual with schematic is not offered by Hall. If you need it repaired, try shotgunning the IC's or send it back to them for repair. Nicholas Cerreto wrote: Hello! Does anyone have a service manual for the Doug Hall Voter 4RV Voter? The Manual for the early DH Voter is around and hopefully still available from the Mfgr. That manual contains a generic diagram more of the basic circuit layout without the specifics related to the voting signal detector circuit (schematic) for each channel. However, diagrams of the signal quality detector channel are known to exist if the mfgr won't help you. But DHE is pretty good about customer service so try them first. I can't imagine they wouldn't be able to provide a copy of the original supplied manual. cheers, s.
