[Repeater-Builder] Re: IMPORTANT - large amount of stolen equipment recovered - is some yours?

[Jeff Kincaid]

That's a completely different situation.  There's no B&E or burglary alleged 
here.  You got a crime, you seize the evidence.  You don't got a crime, it 
ain't evidence.  Now the cops are the thieves.

I'm done trying to explain this.  Really.  :)

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "TRACOMM"  wrote:
>
> 
> Years ago, the PD arrested a guy breaking into a snow plow dealer late
> night.
> 
> Searched his house found tons of truck accessories, tires, rims,
> landscaping equipment, light bars, 50 radios, scanners, TV's & home
> electronics, etc.
> 
> Turns out this fellow had a long history of shoplifting and B&E on those
> places, including numerous shops, (ours 3 TIMES), closed out 25 B&E
> cases by SEAZING the evidence, and returning it to the rightful owners
> after trial.
> 
> Arrest him and not seize the stuff, guarantee it will bne gone as soon
> as he gets out on bail.
> 
> At least this way he can claim his stuff, if he can show it is actually
> his.
> 
> Strange twist of fate, several years later, guy shows up at out shop,
> NOW a rehabbed citizen, new trucks and a bank check to buy 12 mobiles
> for his new landscaping business. Also apologized.
> 
> 
> 
> CJD
> 
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Kincaid" 
> wrote:
>   Jerry, I certainly didn't mean to imply that he was doing nothing when
> I said I hoped the folks he was jamming would receive a huge settlement
> from him. Sorry if I was unclear. :) I am concerned, however, that the
> County siezed a boatload of gear that is not known to be involved in any
> crime. I think they should investigate first, and enforce later, rather
> than the other way around.
> > We're pretty far off topic here, so I hope this will be sufficient to
> clarify my concerns.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, gerald bishop orangetruck38@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hate to say it ,but the last 2 posts make it sound like the guy was
> doing nothing. Not sure if they warned him,but when you jam a legal freq
> ,this is what happens,sooner or later. There was another jammer out
> there ,i think that removal of gear and fines didn't stop him,and was
> sent to the slammer. Some may think this wrong,but if you didn't ,soon
> would have what the CB'ers had back in the late 70's. Self-destruction
> !! Jerry W8KQ
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Richard slottech@ wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Richard slottech@
> > > Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: IMPORTANT - large amount of
> stolen equipment recovered - is some yours?
> > > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 8:48 PM
>   Are you kidding? The politicians don't care about the Constitution, to
> them
>   it is some totally irrelevant old document. In other words, they ignore
> it
> and do whatever they want.
> Richard
>   www.n7tgb.net <http://www.n7tgb.net>
> 
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
>   [mailto:Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid
>   Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:04 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
>   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: IMPORTANT - large amount of stolen
> equipment
> recovered - is some yours?
>   This is really rather frightening. Many of us have similar collections
> of
>   gear, and I'm wondering on what basis it was seized. I don't remember
>   anything in the Constitution about seizure of potentially stolen
> property.
>   I hope the stuff is his and he gets a really huge settlement (and that
> the
>   folks he was jamming get the same from him). The idea that a government
>   minion can simply decide that you have too much radio gear and take it
> seems
>   rather onerous.
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: IMPORTANT - large amount of stolen equipment recovered - is some yours?

[Jeff Kincaid]

Jerry, I certainly didn't mean to imply that he was doing nothing when I said I 
hoped the folks he was jamming would receive a huge settlement from him. Sorry 
if I was unclear.  :)  I am concerned, however, that the County siezed a 
boatload of gear that is not known to be involved in any crime.  I think they 
should investigate first, and enforce later, rather than the other way around.

We're pretty far off topic here, so I hope this will be sufficient to clarify 
my concerns.

Jeff 

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, gerald bishop  
wrote:
>
> Hate to say it ,but the last 2 posts make it sound like the guy was doing 
> nothing. Not sure if they warned him,but when you jam a legal freq ,this is 
> what happens,sooner or later. There was another jammer out there ,i think 
> that removal of gear and fines didn't stop him,and was sent to the slammer. 
> Some may think this wrong,but if you didn't ,soon would have what the CB'ers 
> had back in the late 70's. Self-destruction !! Jerry W8KQ
> 
> --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Richard  wrote:
> 
> From: Richard 
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: IMPORTANT - large amount of stolen 
> equipment recovered - is some yours?
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 8:48 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   Are you kidding? The politicians don't care about the Constitution, to 
> them
> 
> it is some totally irrelevant old document. In other words, they ignore it
> 
> and do whatever they want.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> www.n7tgb.net
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
> 
> [mailto:Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid
> 
> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:04 PM
> 
> To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com
> 
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: IMPORTANT - large amount of stolen equipment
> 
> recovered - is some yours?
> 
> 
> 
> This is really rather frightening.  Many of us have similar collections of
> 
> gear, and I'm wondering on what basis it was seized.  I don't remember
> 
> anything in the Constitution about seizure of potentially stolen property.
> 
> I hope the stuff is his and he gets a really huge settlement (and that the
> 
> folks he was jamming get the same from him).  The idea that a government
> 
> minion can simply decide that you have too much radio gear and take it seems
> 
> rather onerous.  
> 
> 
> 
> 'JK
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ 
> 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > Recently the FCC busted a local jammer and when his residence
> 
> > was searched they found a treasure trove. There are over 200 pieces
> 
> > of equipment involved including laptops, desktops, over 120 handhelds
> 
> > and several repeaters.  And broadcast equipment including a
> 
> > commercial grade FM transmitter.
> 
> > 
> 
> > If anybody has serial numbers on file that matches anything on
> 
> > the lists mentioned below I think that the Ventura County Sheriff's
> 
> > Department would like to hear from you - contact Detective Jon Smith
> 
> > at (805) 494-8216 or via e-mail at jon.smith (at) ventura (dot) org
> 
> > 
> 
> > The snippet below is from the "CGC Communicator, a broadcast industry
> 
> > weekly newsletter published by Robert F. Gonsett, W6VR,  
> > cgc333 (dot) connectnet (dot) com>, Copyright 2009, Communications
> 
> > GeneralR Corporation (CGC).
> 
> > Reprinted with permission, and the newsletter has given permission
> 
> > for others to do likewise.  No additional permission is needed.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  >*** * * * * * * *
> 
> >  >
> 
> >  >  LIST OF POTENTIALLY STOLEN EQUIPMENT IN THE BONDY CASE
> 
> >  >
> 
> >  >The Ventura County Sheriff's Department has prepared its
> 
> >  >list of potentially stolen radio equipment in the Kevin Bondy
> 
> >  >case.  Mr. Bondy is accused of jamming some southern California
> 
> >  >radio frequencies as discussed in recent CGC Communicator
> 
> >  >newsletters.  A police search of his residence turned up an
> 
> >  >extraordinary amount of potentially stolen radio gear.
> 
> >  >
> 
> >  >Your help is needed.  Is any of this equipment yours?  Would
> 
> >  >you copy this story to others in the land-mobile and broadcast

[Repeater-Builder] Re: IMPORTANT - large amount of stolen equipment recovered - is some yours?

[Jeff Kincaid]

Since when do the County thugs work for the FCC?

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jacob Suter  wrote:
>
> The FCC sucked up *all* his gear vs just the gear he was using to break 
> the law, which I believe is allowed since the defendant was a licensed 
> operator of some sort. 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: IMPORTANT - large amount of stolen equipment recovered - is some yours?

[Jeff Kincaid]

This is really rather frightening.  Many of us have similar collections of 
gear, and I'm wondering on what basis it was seized.  I don't remember anything 
in the Constitution about seizure of potentially stolen property.  I hope the 
stuff is his and he gets a really huge settlement (and that the folks he was 
jamming get the same from him).  The idea that a government minion can simply 
decide that you have too much radio gear and take it seems rather onerous.  

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ  wrote:
>
> Recently the FCC busted a local jammer and when his residence
> was searched they found a treasure trove. There are over 200 pieces
> of equipment involved including laptops, desktops, over 120 handhelds
> and several repeaters.  And broadcast equipment including a
> commercial grade FM transmitter.
> 
> If anybody has serial numbers on file that matches anything on
> the lists mentioned below I think that the Ventura County Sheriff's
> Department would like to hear from you - contact Detective Jon Smith
> at (805) 494-8216 or via e-mail at jon.smith (at) ventura (dot) org
> 
> The snippet below is from the "CGC Communicator, a broadcast industry
> weekly newsletter published by Robert F. Gonsett, W6VR,  cgc333 (dot) connectnet (dot) com>, Copyright 2009, Communications
> General® Corporation (CGC).
> Reprinted with permission, and the newsletter has given permission
> for others to do likewise.  No additional permission is needed.
> 
>  >**
>  >
>  >  LIST OF POTENTIALLY STOLEN EQUIPMENT IN THE BONDY CASE
>  >
>  >The Ventura County Sheriff's Department has prepared its
>  >list of potentially stolen radio equipment in the Kevin Bondy
>  >case.  Mr. Bondy is accused of jamming some southern California
>  >radio frequencies as discussed in recent CGC Communicator
>  >newsletters.  A police search of his residence turned up an
>  >extraordinary amount of potentially stolen radio gear.
>  >
>  >Your help is needed.  Is any of this equipment yours?  Would
>  >you copy this story to others in the land-mobile and broadcast
>  >industries, particularly to equipment dealers and publications?
>  >If some or all of this equipment is stolen, the owners need to
>  >contact the Ventura County Sheriff pronto.
>  >
>  >Items #120 - 123 involve FM broadcast equipment; the rest
>  >is land-mobile gear (including repeaters) with a few miscellaneous
>  >items mixed in (e.g. computers, CB & amateur radio gear).  The
>  >first URL takes you to the list.  The second URL shows pictures
>  >of the FM broadcast equipment and gives contact information for
>  >the Ventura County Sheriff.
>  >
>  >Communications General Corp. has been in touch with Broadcast
>  >Electronics concerning Item #120, the solid state 1,000 watt FM
>  >broadcast transmitter.  Unfortunately, the serial number is a bit
>  >outdated for their records, but perhaps you or an equipment dealer
>  >would have a record of the sales transaction.
>  >
>  >Thanks for helping by looking over the equipment list and
>  >forwarding this story to others.
>  >
>  >  Equipment list:
>  >  http://earthsignals.com/add_CGC/Oaks_Mall_09-5771.pdf
>  >
>  >  Photographs of the FM broadcast equipment:
>  >  http://earthsignals.com/add_CGC/Letters/Stolen%20Equipment.htm
>  >
>  >  Background information on Mr. Bondy:
>  >  http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-290813A1.html
>  >
>  >**
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Help ID Fan Control Board Kit

[Jeff Kincaid]

Thanks Don.  I've already been to most of those but I'll certainly check out 
the rest!

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "ka9qjg"  wrote:
>
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Jeff this may be a long shot but worth a try ,  I did some digging around
> trying to Find the info for You 
> 
> I know some on our Group Build their own kits Etc and Design their own
> projects Below are some Great sites that might help. 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Good luck Jeff  Heck We might even find some Parts needed for Building
> Repeaters too
> 
>  
> 
> 73 De Don KA9QJG 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.farcircuits.net/
> 
> 
> http://www.hobbytron.net/
> http://www.electronickits.com/
> http://www.cpcares.com/radio.html
> 
> For some other sites on this go here:
> 
> http://electronicsusa.com/tuna/tt2page1.html
> http://www.njqrp.org/tuna/
> http://smallwonderlabs.com/
> http://www.fix.net/~jparker/wilderness/nc40a.htm
> http://www.wb0w.com/mfj/mfjtransceiver.htm
> http://www.ohr.com/ohr100a.htm
> 
> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~walfor/
> http://www.csun.edu/~vfeen0br/johnpage/kit.html
> http://www.geocities.com/cw19kit/
> http://www.dl5neg.de/
> http://www.qrp.pops.net/
> 
> Now the big Ham sites for kits
> http://www.ac6v.com/kits.htm
> http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Technical_Reference/Homebrew/
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Help ID Fan Control Board Kit

[Jeff Kincaid]

Here are links to a couple of pics I made of the PCB.  Does anyone recognize it?

http://www.lafn.org/~jeffk/Fan1.jpg
http://www.lafn.org/~jeffk/Fan2.jpg

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Kincaid"  wrote:
>
> Some time ago I purchased a fan control board kit on eBay.  Now that I want 
> to put it together, I find that I don't have a schematic or parts list to 
> help me sort out what goes where on the board.  The PCB is about 1 1/8" x 2 
> 3/4", and the circuit uses an LM393 dual comparator.  I've found a lot of 
> interesting things looking for it on the net, but at this point I'm really 
> hoping that someone will recognize it and bail me out.
> 
> Jeff W6JK
>

[Repeater-Builder] Help ID Fan Control Board Kit

[Jeff Kincaid]

Some time ago I purchased a fan control board kit on eBay.  Now that I want to 
put it together, I find that I don't have a schematic or parts list to help me 
sort out what goes where on the board.  The PCB is about 1 1/8" x 2 3/4", and 
the circuit uses an LM393 dual comparator.  I've found a lot of interesting 
things looking for it on the net, but at this point I'm really hoping that 
someone will recognize it and bail me out.

Jeff W6JK

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Complex Skywarn Paging System

[Jeff Kincaid]

A 30 second DTMF blast?  I think I'd use the first several
milliseconds of that to switch the radio to a useful channel.

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "dallasreact112"
 wrote:
>
> I am just curious if any other amateur 2 meter repeater has a more
> complex RACES Skywarn paging system than the 146.88 W5FC Dallas TX
> repeater?
> 
> The normal daytime amateur state of the repeater is 110.9 Hz full PL. 
> 
> To go into RACES Skywarn mode the following sequence occurs:
> 
> 1. Repeater Mode changes:
> 
> a. PL changes to 114.8 Hz 
> 
> b. RX squelch changes to OR mode squelch. Carrier squelch OR 114.8 Hz
> PL encode opens repeater. OR squelch allows the carrier squelch
> threshold to be set higher than PL squelch threshold. 
> 
> 2. RACES Tones out:
> 
> a. 30 second DTMF "A" tone
> 
> b. Motorola 2 tone sequential pager tones group 1
> 
> c. Motorola 2 tone sequential pager tones group 2
> 
> d. DTMF "0" sent three times in quick succession to activate the old
> Kenwood DTMF paging decoders available in their older units.
> 
> I would love to hear from anyone that has a more complex paging routine.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bernie Parker
> 
> K5BP
> 
> Dallas Amateur Radio Club
> 
> Tech Officer
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Toko Filters for 902-928 MHz Available

[Jeff Kincaid W6JK]

All of the outstanding requests have been filled, and there are plenty 
of filters left.  Feedback suggests I was unnecessarily vague about the 
available supply.  Feel free to ask for as many as you want.  You won't 
be depriving someone else.  Finally, if you're having trouble reaching 
me, that's why I provided an alternate address in my original message 
(see below).  That account, unlike our radios, is unfiltered..

Jeff W6JK

Jeff Kincaid W6JK wrote:
> I have some Toko front end filters that, with a little ingenuity, 
> could be used in various radios for 902 MHz ham band conversions.  
> They're the 4DFA-915E-10 2 pole surface mount version of the filters 
> we've been using in the Maxtracs (which are 3 pole through hole 
> devices).  Here's a link to the spec sheet:
>
> http://www.toko.co.jp/products/pdf/filters_dielectric/4dfa_4dfb.pdf
>
> It seems to me that one or two of these on a daughter board could 
> replace the 3 pole unit.  Or you could just solder some left over 
> resistor leads to the main board and tack the filters to those leads.  
> If you'd like to try it, they're $5 for a pair, shipping included.  
> Email for payment details.  If a direct message doesn't get through, 
> try w...@arrl.net.
>
> Jeff W6JK
>

[Repeater-Builder] Toko Filters for 902-928 MHz Available

[Jeff Kincaid W6JK]

I have some Toko front end filters that, with a little ingenuity, could 
be used in various radios for 902 MHz ham band conversions.  They're the 
4DFA-915E-10 2 pole surface mount version of the filters we've been 
using in the Maxtracs (which are 3 pole through hole devices).  Here's a 
link to the spec sheet:

http://www.toko.co.jp/products/pdf/filters_dielectric/4dfa_4dfb.pdf

It seems to me that one or two of these on a daughter board could 
replace the 3 pole unit.  Or you could just solder some left over 
resistor leads to the main board and tack the filters to those leads.  
If you'd like to try it, they're $5 for a pair, shipping included.  
Email for payment details.  If a direct message doesn't get through, try 
w...@arrl.net.

Jeff W6JK

[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT - Hard drive train wrecks that are about to happen...

[Jeff Kincaid]

No, it's the 7200.11 drives that are covered.  But reading the
subsequent messages, it seems that I'm better off missing out on this!

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Lemmon"  wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> 
> Isn't your 7200.7 drive included in the "7200 series" which IS covered,
> according to the preceding message?
> 
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:17 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: OT - Hard drive train wrecks that
are about
> to happen...
> 
> Wouldn't you know it; My dead Barracuda 7200.7 drive is not covered.
> 
> 'JK
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> , Mike Morris WA6ILQ
>  wrote:
> >
> > From an email from a friend:
> > 
> > > Nothing like discovering that your main corporate server hard 
> > drive is a time
> > > bomb waiting to detonate. Or the drive in your TV station 
> > production / automation
> > > system, your desktop PC, or even in that external USB or firewire 
> > box that has all
> > > your family photos and the 100gb of MP3s... Or all the episodes 
> > of Lucy you have
> > > on your TiVo.
> > >
> > > I love the disaster-minimization marketing-speak phraseology.
> > >
> > > Seagate is admitting to a problem (euphemistically called, "an
> isolated,
> > > potential firmware issue") in 25 different hard drives models,
> including
> > > the Barracuda 7200 series, the Barracuda ES.2 SATA, and the
> > > DiamondMax 22 series.
> > >
> > > In some "unique circumstances," Seagate says, "the data on the hard
> > > drives may become inaccessible to the user when the host system
> > > is powered on." In other words, you turn the system on and you find
> > > not only that nobody's home, but the home has evaporated.
> > >
> > > This upcoming train wreck is fully documented on Segates web
> site... See:
> > >
> <http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/news.jsp?DocId=207931
>
<http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/news.jsp?DocId=207931>
>
> > >
> > > Some of these drives may be mounted in external Seagate (or other
> > > brand) hard drives, such as the FreeAgent Pro.
> > >
> > >The actual model list, in numberical order is:
> > >
> > > ST31000333AS
> > > ST31000340AS
> > > ST31000340NS
> > > ST31500341AS
> > > ST3160813AS
> > > ST3250310NS
> > > ST3320613AS
> > > ST3320813AS
> > > ST3500320AS
> > > ST3500320NS
> > > ST3500620AS
> > > ST3500820AS
> > > ST3640323AS
> > > ST3640330AS
> > > ST3640530AS
> > > ST3640623AS
> > > ST3750330AS
> > > ST3750330NS
> > > ST3750630AS
> > > STM31000334AS
> > > STM31000340AS
> > > STM3160813AS
> > > STM3320614AS
> > > STM3500320AS
> > > STM3750330AS
> > >
> > > The quickest way to determine if your drive is on the list is to
> download
> > > and run Seagate's Drive Detect. program available from
> > > <http://support.seagate.com/kbimg/utils/drivedetect.exe
> <http://support.seagate.com/kbimg/utils/drivedetect.exe> >
> > > and see what your system has in it, then compare the list to the
> table
> > > above. If your drive is doomed, you can download and install a free
> > > firmware upgrade from the model-specific link in the above web page.
> > >
> > > For assistance in updating the firmware, customers can send an email
> > > to Seagate at disksupport@ that includes the disk drive
> > > serial number, model number, and current firmware revision (which
> is .
> > > read and displayed by the drivedetect.exe program above).
> > >
> > > Support is also available through Seagate's call center
> > > 800-732-4283
> > 
> > Mike Morris WA6ILQ
> >
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: OT - Hard drive train wrecks that are about to happen...

[Jeff Kincaid]

Wouldn't you know it;  My dead Barracuda 7200.7 drive is not covered.

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ
 wrote:
>
>  From an email from a friend:
> 
>  > Nothing like discovering that your main corporate server hard 
> drive is a time
>  > bomb waiting to detonate.  Or the drive in your TV station 
> production / automation
>  > system, your desktop PC, or even in that external USB or firewire 
> box that has all
>  > your family photos and the 100gb of MP3s...  Or all the episodes 
> of Lucy you have
>  > on your TiVo.
>  >
>  > I love the disaster-minimization marketing-speak phraseology.
>  >
>  > Seagate is admitting to a problem (euphemistically called, "an
isolated,
>  > potential firmware issue") in 25 different hard drives models,
including
>  > the Barracuda 7200 series, the Barracuda ES.2 SATA, and the
>  > DiamondMax 22 series.
>  >
>  > In some "unique circumstances," Seagate says, "the data on the hard
>  > drives may become inaccessible to the user when the host system
>  > is powered on."   In other words, you turn the system on and you find
>  > not only that nobody's home, but the home has evaporated.
>  >
>  > This upcoming train wreck is fully documented on Segates web
site... See:
>  >

>  >
>  > Some of these drives may be mounted in external Seagate (or other
>  > brand) hard drives, such as the FreeAgent Pro.
>  >
>  >The actual model list, in numberical order is:
>  >
>  > ST31000333AS
>  > ST31000340AS
>  > ST31000340NS
>  > ST31500341AS
>  > ST3160813AS
>  > ST3250310NS
>  > ST3320613AS
>  > ST3320813AS
>  > ST3500320AS
>  > ST3500320NS
>  > ST3500620AS
>  > ST3500820AS
>  > ST3640323AS
>  > ST3640330AS
>  > ST3640530AS
>  > ST3640623AS
>  > ST3750330AS
>  > ST3750330NS
>  > ST3750630AS
>  > STM31000334AS
>  > STM31000340AS
>  > STM3160813AS
>  > STM3320614AS
>  > STM3500320AS
>  > STM3750330AS
>  >
>  > The quickest way to determine if your drive is on the list is to
download
>  > and run Seagate's Drive Detect. program available from
>  > 
>  > and see what your system has in it, then compare the list to the
table
>  > above.   If your drive is doomed, you can download and install a free
>  > firmware upgrade from the model-specific link in the above web page.
>  >
>  > For assistance in updating the firmware, customers can send an email
>  > to Seagate at disksupp...@... that includes the disk drive
>  > serial number, model number, and current firmware revision (which
is .
>  > read and displayed by the drivedetect.exe program above).
>  >
>  > Support is also available through Seagate's call center
>  > 800-732-4283
> 
> Mike Morris WA6ILQ
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: ICS Controllers

[Jeff Kincaid]

There must be a dwindling number of people who can recognize the ICM
number on sight.  It's no surprise to me that Shorty would be one of
them; I have reason to know how long he's been dealing with them.  

Hi Shorty!

Jeff W6JK (ex WA6BIL)

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "k6jsi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The phone number you gace is for ICM, International Crystal 
> Manufaturing in Tulsa Oklahoma, NOT ICS Controllers.  I doubt Sara 
> Gore works for Brian at ICS.  Call the number, and ICM will answer, 
> not ICS.
> 
> Shorty, K6JSI
> 
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Randy"  wrote:
> >
> > --- She works for the company that makes the ICS controllers.
> > .
> > In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "k6jsi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > What does Sara Gore at ICM have to do with ICS Controllers?
> > > 
> > > Shorty, K6JSI
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Randy"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ---If your having a problem, maybe you might want to call them.
> > > > Sara Gore...800-725-1426 xt 237
> > > > .
> > > >  In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "kb5vjy"  
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is anyone else having a problem getting to ICS's Website?  I 
> > > needed to
> > > > > download the basic manual.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 73 de Joe KB5VJY
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Mocom - Motrac receiver on 6 Meters

[Jeff Kincaid]

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At 08:08 PM 09/21/08, you wrote:
> The low band Motrac/Motran/Mocom 70 receivers came in 4
> splits - 25-30, 30-26, 36-42, and 42-50 MHz.  Naturally the
> 42-50 ones go to 6m easier than the others.  Fortunately the
> CHP radios were all 42-50.

I don't believe that's correct.  I think they were 36-42.  In any
case, I remember changing a lot of caps, and that no one else in the
group actually got theirs on the air (well, there was Charlie 'PZJ,
who could get anything on the air, but he never actually used his radios).

Jeff W6JK

[Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna suggestions for 440mhz

[Jeff Kincaid]

Maybe you're already hearing as well as you're going to at that site.
 A given user signal is only going to be so strong compared to the
noise level no matter what you do.

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n9wys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In fear of moving off topic... I'd like to ask how one can determine the
> electrical downtilt of an antenna?  
> 
> I just put into service a RSF/Celwave Super StationmasterR Model 10017-6
> that is designed for 925-960 MHz on my 927.5250 repeater. The added gain
> factor of the antenna (an additional 4dBd over what was previously
in place
> - a Decibel DB586-Y) does not seem to benefit the receive (at 902
MHz).  I
> gained what seems like a little extra receive range, but not equal
to what I
> seem to have gained in transmit coverage.
> 
> This discussion thread leads me to wonder if maybe some electrical
downtilt
> may be affecting the receive frequency? Is this possible?  Antennas
are not
> my strong point.  ;-)
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark - N9WYS
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:19 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: antenna suggestions for 440mhz
> 
> At 6/6/2008 19:22, you wrote:
> 
> >The series-fed types (usually fiberglass at these frequencies) *will*
> >tilt their patterns when moving away from their design frequency.
> >
> >Laryn K8TVZ
> 
> The good news is that the pattern tilts down when used at
frequencies below 
> the design frequency.  The big question is by how much.  Would be
easy to 
> calculate in NECWin if I could only get a good NEC model for the
coaxial 
> colinear array.  I'm not quite expert enough in NEC to figure out
how to 
> create that model.
> 
> Bob NO6B
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: coordination?

[Jeff Kincaid]

Are you saying that the repeater IDs with the call sign of a silent
key?  It seems to me that coordination would be a moot point if
there's no valid license.

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How can there be a trustee for a privately owned repeater?   I 
> understand the necessity for a group owned or club owned unit. When it 
> is coordinated under a single ham as owner, his call has expired,
and it 
> is not even at the listed site, I would think that presents a problem. 
> Am I wrong?
> 
> Bob M. wrote:
> > It probably varies according to the guidelines of the
> > coordinating group in the repeater's coverage area.
> >
> > Certainly if the footprint changes (emitter moves,
> > changes power, antenna, feedline, height, antenna
> > type, etc) you will probably need to resubmit
> > paperwork to that effect. In some areas, repeaters are
> > so closely spaced that they're all locked in at their
> > existing power levels and you may not get coordinated
> > if you want change them. I don't recommend that you
> > just go ahead and do stuff anyway, because that just
> > ends up hurting neighboring repeaters, then the FCC
> > may get involved, and if your parameters differ
> > significantly from what's on file, you may lose.
> >
> > If the trustee changes, that should really be a simple
> > paperwork issue. Better to transfer trusteeship of the
> > repeater than to lose coordination because a person
> > died, moved, or their license expired (if at all
> > possible). Some groups think this calls for a
> > completely new coordination effort; I dont.
> >
> > So the bottom line is "it depends" which isn't very
> > reassuring, but what else can you do. In most
> > metropolitan areas, there's a waiting list for new or
> > modified repeaters on some bands; use it or lose it.
> > If you've got a good site and good equipment, better
> > to try hanging on to it any way possible.
> >
> > Bob M.
> > ==
> > --- w2drh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> I think I must be confused.  I was under the
> >> misapprehension that if
> >> one modified the physical location (moved the
> >> repeater), had their
> >> license expire, moved out of the area (where direct
> >> control of the
> >> repeater was not possible), or modified the system,
> >> that the
> >> coordination would be canceled or nullified. Am I
> >> mistaken?
> >> 
> >
> >
> >   
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Jeff Kincaid]

The site manager had doped out which cables should go where, and
tie-wrapped the appropriate cut ends together.  It's obvious who is
using our antenna, but not so clear who cut the cables.  He's the one
we'd really like to nab.  No cables were taken, they were only cut. 
It's a ham-only site, so at least the pros aren't shaking their heads
over all this.

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jim,
> 
> I wonder where the RG58 went to.  Looks like inside the building.
> 
> Also noticed the tie-wrap holding your now 2 pieces of the 1/2 inch
together.  Was this your doing to secure it or did the RG58 installer
do it.  Does not look like anything missing, just modified, hi.
> 
> Copper is now going for $2.85 from a scrap dealer, but does not look
like this is the case.  
> 
> Here in Tampa area we have recently seen 2 large towers, above 1000
ft, loose a major part of their ground wiring due to some wanting it
for the scrap value.  Alerts are being posted to tower owners.
> 
> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Jeff Kincaid]

I was really glad I had a "new" camera from eBay with me for testing.
 It was unusual that I had it along but I think I should change that
and make it a habit to bring one on service calls in the future.  

I appreciate all the comments; nobody else could relate to this like
you guys do.  Hmm, I wonder if the miscreant is in the Group, reading
about what we think of him...  

The site manager was there when we arrived, and pointed it out to us.
 Unfortunately, the owner only cares about collecting the rent, so
it's pretty hard to get kicked out.  Other than end over end, I mean.  :)

Although my original message may seem to imply otherwise, we don't
really think the guy who hijacked the antenna is the same person who
cut the coax.  But it's still a really sleazy thing to do, as well as
at least slightly criminal (theft by conversion).  

We also had an antenna stolen at the same site.  It was 12" of house
wire and a PL-259 connector screwed into a bulkhed connector going
through the top of the cabinet.  Clearly no one would need such a
thing or find any value in it; it was easy to take so it disappeared.   

This is indicative of the caliber of person attracted by a certain
notorious repeater group here in Southern California.  They've been
thrown out of every other site around, and they've finally landed in
ours.  If we don't get some support from the owner, they may end up in
there alone.  There are certainly other places we could be.

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n9wys" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Not only did he follow it, he wired it to 120VAC after he repaired his
> Heliax...
> 
> Seriously -- I hope he followed it, if only to find out who the
moron was
> that did that!  (And then reported it to the tower/site manager.)
> 
> Mark - N9WYS
> 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Jeff Kincaid]

Yes, it's absolutely true.  We took bets on how many times their rack
will go end over end when we push it over the side of the mountain.  I
like the idea of selling tickets!  I'll let you know...

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "kb4mdz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jeff -
> 
> Are you serious, that someone hijacked your UHF RX antenna line, and
> put their own RG-58 to it??  That is absolutley HEINOUS!  What sort of
> punishment have you meted out to them??  Can we buy tickets to that
show?
> 
> Chuk 
> kb4mdz
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Kincaid"  wrote:
> >
> > Here's a link to a photo I made during a recent service call.  Someone
> > has cut the Heliax to our UHF receive antenna and spliced a piece of
> > RG-58 to it.  Seriously, if you're going to hijack an antenna, at
> > least you could spring for a lousy connector!  
> > 
> > http://www.lafn.org/~jeffk/CoaxSpliceSm.jpg
> > 
> > Jeff W6JK
> >
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Bad adapter

[Jeff Kincaid]

Here's a link to a photo I made during a recent service call.  Someone
has cut the Heliax to our UHF receive antenna and spliced a piece of
RG-58 to it.  Seriously, if you're going to hijack an antenna, at
least you could spring for a lousy connector!  

http://www.lafn.org/~jeffk/CoaxSpliceSm.jpg

Jeff W6JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Steve & Peg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I recall a problem with a UHF repeater with terrible desense that I
had some 30 years ago.  The original installer didn't have an N
connector for the pigtail and used an N to BNC female adapter and
stuck one wire of the RG8 in the center hole and soldered the braid to
the outside.  Needless to say it didn't work.   Replacing that thing
(which I still have) corrected the problem and it ended its service
life  with my repair.
> 
> Steve KB3FPN
> 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: DTMF Decoder

[Jeff Kincaid]

I have a couple of them that I addad the 4th column to.  One of them
cooked in a rack full of tubes on Contractor Point for years.  I
wouldn't part with mine.  :)

Jeff W6JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, tony dinkel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> I am trying to figure out whether I should throw away my old WE 247B
KTU touch tone decoder.  Anybody want it?
> Museum maybe?  Put some pull ups on it and it should not be too hard
to do a 12 line to hex converter, 
> in software.  You can't beat the old pot cores and precision caps
for acquisition time, it ain't exactly false proof.  
> When I was working late at night, alone up on Santiago I had a habit
of turning down the HT-220 
> because it was barfing intermod continuously.  So the guys would do
cat call whistles into the rptr
> to get my attention with the chattering relays.  Please, this thing
has 20 years of service and sacred rodent 
> excrement included.  I can't just throw it away?
> 
> td
> wb6mie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2a. Re: DTMF Decoder
> Posted by: "Ron Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] n9eerptr
> Date: Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:19 am ((PDT))
>  
> I have never played with a computer sound card other than the
typical plug it in and let the various program drivers interface to it.
>  
> I bet the sound card is a simple ADC and software looks at the wave
form using a look up table that compares what is received and reacts.
>  
> DTMF is much more complex, simple in theory, but can be complex. 
With varying tone levels, distortion, harmonics, etc the wave form
changes drastically.  Dedicated circuits and ICs do a much better job.
>  
> 73, ron, n9ee/r
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

[Jeff Kincaid]

Not even a little.  You're explaining basic theory that I don't have
any trouble with.  

It does, however, seem less magical now that you've got the impedences
right.

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> 
> As some have stated the coax coming off the DB212-2 dipoles is 50
Ohms.  These two are connected to a T connector and these 2 will be in
parallel making 25 Ohms.
> 
> The 35 Ohm coax, special for this application, forms what is called
a coaxial transformer.  Transformers can be used to convert to other
impedances and coax can be used for this in RF.  
> 
> So a piece of 35 Ohm piece of coax at 1/4 electrical wavelength
converts the 25 Ohms to 50 Ohms.  This is the coaxial transformer.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Jeff Kincaid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: 2008/03/06 Thu PM 04:39:40 CST
> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.
> 
> >  
> >So the elements are 50 Ohms?  It does help to know that.  :)
> >
> >But you seem to be calling for some kind of magical 35 Ohm coaxial
> >transformer.
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ron Wright  wrote:
> >>
> >> JK,
> >> 
> >> The coaxial sections coming off each antenna element is 35 Ohm coax
> >at odd multiples of 1/4 wave length.
> >> 
> >> What this does with antenna element at 50 Ohms then 1/4 wl down the
> >35 Ohm cable it looks close to 100 Ohms looking into this cable.  Then
> >you take 2 of these ant elements/35 Ohm coax in parallel and you get
> >50 Ohms at this junction.  If have 4 elements do the same for the
> >other 2 and then make another to join these 2 again using 35 Ohm 1/4
> >wl coax.
> >> 
> >> The length of the 50 Ohm coax going from the tx/rx to this antenna
> >input does not matter for SWR or impedance.  Only concern would be
> >length and loss of 50 Ohm cable.
> >> 
> >> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >From: Jeff Kincaid 
> >> >Date: 2008/03/05 Wed PM 11:24:35 CST
> >> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >> >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.
> >> 
> >> >  
> >> >OK John, just making sure.  I'm not familiar with the
configuration of
> >> >the antenna, but what you are saying makes sense.  I'm confused
by the
> >> >idea that the length doesn't matter, because that would imply that
> >> >everything is 50 Ohms throughout, which doesn't seem to be the case.
> >> >
> >> >'JK
> >> >
> >> >--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "John Everson"
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Kincaid"  
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think this is just sloppy word choice, rather than a lack of
> >> >> > understanding, but I've seen it a couple of times now so let me 
> >> >> clear
> >> >> > it up in any case.  Regarding velocity factor, it's a factor,
> >so you
> >> >> > want to multiply it.  Subtraction is not a part of the equation.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Say your free space length is 100 inches, and your velocity
factor 
> >> >> is
> >> >> > 88%.  Your length in cable is then 88 inches:
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 100 x 0.88 = 88
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Jeff
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "John Everson"
> >> >> >  wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > So if I understand correctly, the length of the 50 ohm
sections 
> >> >> is 
> >> >> > > irrelevant, as long as they are equal? Also, is my previous 
> >> >> > > assumption that the matching stub is just made of 35 ohm
cable 
> >> >> cut to 
> >> >> > > 1/4 wavelength at the operating frequency minus the vel.
factor 
> >> >> > > correct?
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > Thans again for the help.
> >> >> > > John
> >> >> >
> &g

[Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

[Jeff Kincaid]

So the elements are 50 Ohms?  It does help to know that.  :)

But you seem to be calling for some kind of magical 35 Ohm coaxial
transformer.

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> JK,
> 
> The coaxial sections coming off each antenna element is 35 Ohm coax
at odd multiples of 1/4 wave length.
> 
> What this does with antenna element at 50 Ohms then 1/4 wl down the
35 Ohm cable it looks close to 100 Ohms looking into this cable.  Then
you take 2 of these ant elements/35 Ohm coax in parallel and you get
50 Ohms at this junction.  If have 4 elements do the same for the
other 2 and then make another to join these 2 again using 35 Ohm 1/4
wl coax.
> 
> The length of the 50 Ohm coax going from the tx/rx to this antenna
input does not matter for SWR or impedance.  Only concern would be
length and loss of 50 Ohm cable.
> 
> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Jeff Kincaid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: 2008/03/05 Wed PM 11:24:35 CST
> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.
> 
> >  
> >OK John, just making sure.  I'm not familiar with the configuration of
> >the antenna, but what you are saying makes sense.  I'm confused by the
> >idea that the length doesn't matter, because that would imply that
> >everything is 50 Ohms throughout, which doesn't seem to be the case.
> >
> >'JK
> >
> >--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "John Everson"
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Kincaid"  
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I think this is just sloppy word choice, rather than a lack of
> >> > understanding, but I've seen it a couple of times now so let me 
> >> clear
> >> > it up in any case.  Regarding velocity factor, it's a factor,
so you
> >> > want to multiply it.  Subtraction is not a part of the equation.
> >> > 
> >> > Say your free space length is 100 inches, and your velocity factor 
> >> is
> >> > 88%.  Your length in cable is then 88 inches:
> >> > 
> >> > 100 x 0.88 = 88
> >> > 
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Jeff
> >> > 
> >> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "John Everson"
> >> >  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > So if I understand correctly, the length of the 50 ohm sections 
> >> is 
> >> > > irrelevant, as long as they are equal? Also, is my previous 
> >> > > assumption that the matching stub is just made of 35 ohm cable 
> >> cut to 
> >> > > 1/4 wavelength at the operating frequency minus the vel. factor 
> >> > > correct?
> >> > > 
> >> > > Thans again for the help.
> >> > > John
> >> >
> >> Hello Jeff.
> >> 
> >> You are correct. It was a poor choice of words on my part. I 
> >> understand the theory of velocity factor. I am still not sure about 
> >> the lengths involved with the harness. If the 50 ohm sections from 
> >> the loops to the "tee" can be any length, (as long as they are the 
> >> same) doesn't that affect the impedance at the tee? I will assume
the 
> >> impedance at the feedpoint of the loop is 200 ohms. If we use half 
> >> wavelengths of coax between the loops, the feedpoint impedance will 
> >> be repeated at the end of the cable to the tee. Is this correct? If 
> >> so, when the loops are connected to the tee, we should see 100 ohms, 
> >> then, the matching section brings us to about 50 ohms. 
> >> 
> >> Is this correct? Or am I out to lunch?
> >> 
> >> Is the matching section a quarter wave?
> >> 
> >> I need to dig out the antenna handbook and refresh. That is for 
> >> certain.
> >> 
> >> Thanks.   John
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
> Ron Wright, N9EE
> 727-376-6575
> MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
> Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
> No tone, all are welcome.
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

[Jeff Kincaid]

OK John, just making sure.  I'm not familiar with the configuration of
the antenna, but what you are saying makes sense.  I'm confused by the
idea that the length doesn't matter, because that would imply that
everything is 50 Ohms throughout, which doesn't seem to be the case.

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "John Everson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Kincaid"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I think this is just sloppy word choice, rather than a lack of
> > understanding, but I've seen it a couple of times now so let me 
> clear
> > it up in any case.  Regarding velocity factor, it's a factor, so you
> > want to multiply it.  Subtraction is not a part of the equation.
> > 
> > Say your free space length is 100 inches, and your velocity factor 
> is
> > 88%.  Your length in cable is then 88 inches:
> > 
> > 100 x 0.88 = 88
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Jeff
> > 
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "John Everson"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > So if I understand correctly, the length of the 50 ohm sections 
> is 
> > > irrelevant, as long as they are equal? Also, is my previous 
> > > assumption that the matching stub is just made of 35 ohm cable 
> cut to 
> > > 1/4 wavelength at the operating frequency minus the vel. factor 
> > > correct?
> > > 
> > > Thans again for the help.
> > > John
> >
> Hello Jeff.
> 
> You are correct. It was a poor choice of words on my part. I 
> understand the theory of velocity factor. I am still not sure about 
> the lengths involved with the harness. If the 50 ohm sections from 
> the loops to the "tee" can be any length, (as long as they are the 
> same) doesn't that affect the impedance at the tee? I will assume the 
> impedance at the feedpoint of the loop is 200 ohms. If we use half 
> wavelengths of coax between the loops, the feedpoint impedance will 
> be repeated at the end of the cable to the tee. Is this correct? If 
> so, when the loops are connected to the tee, we should see 100 ohms, 
> then, the matching section brings us to about 50 ohms. 
> 
> Is this correct? Or am I out to lunch?
> 
> Is the matching section a quarter wave?
> 
> I need to dig out the antenna handbook and refresh. That is for 
> certain.
> 
> Thanks.   John
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: DB 212-2 Harness info.

[Jeff Kincaid]

I think this is just sloppy word choice, rather than a lack of
understanding, but I've seen it a couple of times now so let me clear
it up in any case.  Regarding velocity factor, it's a factor, so you
want to multiply it.  Subtraction is not a part of the equation.

Say your free space length is 100 inches, and your velocity factor is
88%.  Your length in cable is then 88 inches:

100 x 0.88 = 88

Regards,
Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "John Everson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So if I understand correctly, the length of the 50 ohm sections is 
> irrelevant, as long as they are equal? Also, is my previous 
> assumption that the matching stub is just made of 35 ohm cable cut to 
> 1/4 wavelength at the operating frequency minus the vel. factor 
> correct?
> 
> Thans again for the help.
> John

[Repeater-Builder] RG400 Jumpers

[Jeff Kincaid]

eBay seller futurepastradio has a lot of nice EFJ parts, and has
recently dug out some RG400 jumpers with BNC and SMA connectors on
them.  Well, you can always change the connectors...  He has 8 left. 
 I figure you guys can probably use them; if so watch for his next
batch of listings.

Jeff W6JK

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Digest Number 5973

[Jeff Kincaid]

So _you're_ the one!  That listing generated some discussion in our
group, I can tell you.

I think there is still a Johnstone Peak machine, but I've forgotten
what freq it's on.  I bet Mike remembers the old call sign.

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, tony dinkel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Same here.  But I have no control head for the motran because I sold
it on ebay for over 500 bucks to some nutball building himself a
"vintage" a police car.
> 
> Anybody want the motran?  Free to first person at the gate in La
Mirada, CA
> 
> Note, it has early Cal Crystal Labs xtals in the radio so who knows
where they are now, much less if they will oscillate.
> 
> I am trying to think of the call sign of that old .76 - .525
repeater.  Does it still exist on a new pair?  All those receiver
sites sure made it work good.
> 
> 
> td
> wb6mie
> 
> 
> >Yep. Still have those rocks in my CHPTran.
> 
> >Jeff W6JK
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "skipp025"  wrote:
> >
> > Anyone remember the 52.525 output and "52.76" input pair? 
> >
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: (scanning repeater receivers) Linking two shared repeaters

[Jeff Kincaid]

Yep.  Still have those rocks in my CHPTran.

Jeff W6JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Anyone remember the 52.525 output and "52.76" input pair? 
> 

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 10 meter desense help, split site, high noise floor.

[Jeff Kincaid]

A lot of that comes from the guys that insist on running carrier
access.  Just because it works when the band is dead doesn't make it
OK in my book.

Jeff

> As it is, with only four 10-Meter repeater frequencies available,
> they're all unusable howling messes when the band is open.

> LJ

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 10 meter desense help, split site, high noise floor.

[Jeff Kincaid]

That sounds like a great way to cause massive, worldwide interference
problems when the sunspots return.  But hey, you can petition the FCC
for it and see what happens if you'd like.  

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I know it may sound to simple but how about splitting the repeater 
> sub-band. Put the repeater inputs at the top of the main band and the 
> outputs at the bottom of the main band. Or vice-versa.
> Johnny
> 
> 
> Jeff Kincaid wrote:
> > The band may be huge, but the FM sub band is smaller and the repeater
> > sub band is smaller still.  Just how wide of a split would you like to
> > use in a 200 kHz wide band?
> > 
> > Jeff W6JK
> > 
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "kb1we6r"  wrote:
> > 
> >>Why oh why did they pick 100KHz??? The 10m band is HUGE with no 
> >>activity (even when the band is open, there should be plenty of room 
> >>for a better repeater plan).
> >> Keith, WE6R in Monterey CA
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 10 meter desense help, split site, high noise floor.

[Jeff Kincaid]

The band may be huge, but the FM sub band is smaller and the repeater
sub band is smaller still.  Just how wide of a split would you like to
use in a 200 kHz wide band?

Jeff W6JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "kb1we6r" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why oh why did they pick 100KHz??? The 10m band is HUGE with no 
> activity (even when the band is open, there should be plenty of room 
> for a better repeater plan).
>  Keith, WE6R in Monterey CA

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Toko Filters For Sale

[Jeff Kincaid]

It did take me a few hours to catch up this way.  I try to read the
group every day.  :)

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't believe Jeff will know of your desire unless
> you send e-mail to him directly, at the address down
> at the bottom of his original message.
> 
> Bob M.
> ==
> --- Paul Metzger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I'll take two.
> > 
> > Paul Metzger
> > K6EH
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 20, 2007, at 09:13, jeffk wrote:
> > 
> > > I have four sets left.  Any takers before they go
> > up for auction?
> > >
> > > 'JK
> > >
> > > jeffk wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have a supply of the TOKO 6DFB-915E-10 filters
> > for MaxTrac 902 MHz
> > >> conversions. I'm offering them to members of the
> > Group for $20 per  
> > >> pair.
> > >>
> > >> Price includes shipping. I accept PayPal, USPS
> > money orders, and
> > >> personal checks. Email me to make payment
> > arrangements.
> > >>
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>
> > >> 73,
> > >> Jeff W6JK
> 
> 
>  

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: New file uploaded to Repeater-Builder

[Jeff Kincaid]

Thanks!

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com,
Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Repeater-Builder 
> group.
> 
>   File: /Combiner.jpg 
>   Uploaded by : w5zit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>   Description : Combine two audio signals to one input port 
> 
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/files/Combiner.jpg 
> 
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
> 
> Regards,
> 
> w5zit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 2x RX's or 2x TX's on one Controller Port

[Jeff Kincaid]

It's not strange at all, that's how most Groups are configured.  But
those of us who read through the web interface do not see the
attachments, because Yahoo does not retain them.  If you upload them
they become a part of the archive and everyone has access to them. 
Some groups do not allow attachments at all, perhaps to encourage
uploading to the Group.

Regards,
Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, strangely enough, when I got my message back,
> the schematic was attached.  I got Bob's schematic
> attachment also.  Take another look at the original
> message and see if it is not attached, if you still
> have it.  Guess it is in the archives in any case.
> 
> 73 - Jim  W5ZIT
> 
> --- Jeff Kincaid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jim,
> > 
> > How 'bout posting your circuit to the Group's file
> > or picture area so
> > we all can enjoy it?
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jim Brown
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Kevin, here is a circuit that I have used several
> > > times to combine a control receiver with the main
> > > receiver in a repeater controller.  It can be used
> > to
> > > provide a second frequency port to a repeater
> > system
> > > with one port having precidence over the other, ie
> > > when one port has a signal, the other port is
> > > inhibited.
> > > 
> > > I am sending this message direct since I don't
> > think
> > > that the Yahoo groups can include an attachment.
> > > 
> > > The circuit is for a positive going COS or RUS
> > signal
> > > input, and provides DC isolation for direct
> > connection
> > > to a discriminator output.  De-emphasis is
> > provided by
> > > adding the caps indicated when discriminator audio
> > is
> > > used.
> > > 
> > > It has also been used with an NHRC-4 to provide a
> > > third port.  I use the fan output to control the
> > > transmitter PTT on the third port and parallel the
> > > audio to both transmitters.  The fan output can be
> > > disabled to shut off the transmit on the third
> > port.
> > > 
> > > The second port receiver always has precedence
> > over
> > > the third port, and both the second and third
> > ports
> > > can be disabled by disabling the second port in
> > the
> > > NHRC-4 and shutting off the fan control.
> > > 
> > > I hope this is what you were looking for - 
> > > 
> > > 73 - Jim  W5ZIT
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- Kevin & Natalia  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > 
> > > > I am looking for a simple circuit that I could
> > use
> > > > to connect either 2x RX's or 2x TX's onto 1 port
> > of
> > > > my controller.
> > > > Reason, I am dealing with a split site repeater.
> > So
> > > > I don't want to waste a port for half a system,
> > that
> > > > I could use for another use.
> > > > I was then thinking about using the linking port
> > to
> > > > run the radio as required, and include a switch
> > to
> > > > switch in or out the radio.
> > > > I am using a Link Comm RLC-3 controller, ports
> > are
> > > > nearly all filled up, that's why I am trying to
> > save
> > > > the port.
> > > > 
> > > > Radio A (Link) RX ---   
> >
> > > > 
> >
> > > >    Radio A (Link) TX
> > > >  |  
> >
> > > > 
> >
> > > >   |
> > > > 
> > |-Input
> > > > to controller  / Output from Controller 
> > > >  |  
> >  
> > > > from site 1  from site 2
> >
> > > >|
> > > > Radio B (1/2 split) RX--X---
> >
> > > > 
> >
> > > > X- Radio B (1/2 split) TX
> > > > 
> > > > X = switch to switch out the Split site
> > repeater.
> > > > 
> > > > Can I ask for some views on this, and any
> > circuit/s
> > > > that may help, even if I only get the audio
> > lines
> > > > working, this would be a help.
> > > > 
> > > > Regards
> > > > 
> > > > Kevin.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > Get Skype and call me for free.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> >
>

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> > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: 2x RX's or 2x TX's on one Controller Port

[Jeff Kincaid]

Hi Jim,

How 'bout posting your circuit to the Group's file or picture area so
we all can enjoy it?

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Kevin, here is a circuit that I have used several
> times to combine a control receiver with the main
> receiver in a repeater controller.  It can be used to
> provide a second frequency port to a repeater system
> with one port having precidence over the other, ie
> when one port has a signal, the other port is
> inhibited.
> 
> I am sending this message direct since I don't think
> that the Yahoo groups can include an attachment.
> 
> The circuit is for a positive going COS or RUS signal
> input, and provides DC isolation for direct connection
> to a discriminator output.  De-emphasis is provided by
> adding the caps indicated when discriminator audio is
> used.
> 
> It has also been used with an NHRC-4 to provide a
> third port.  I use the fan output to control the
> transmitter PTT on the third port and parallel the
> audio to both transmitters.  The fan output can be
> disabled to shut off the transmit on the third port.
> 
> The second port receiver always has precedence over
> the third port, and both the second and third ports
> can be disabled by disabling the second port in the
> NHRC-4 and shutting off the fan control.
> 
> I hope this is what you were looking for - 
> 
> 73 - Jim  W5ZIT
> 
> 
> --- Kevin & Natalia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I am looking for a simple circuit that I could use
> > to connect either 2x RX's or 2x TX's onto 1 port of
> > my controller.
> > Reason, I am dealing with a split site repeater. So
> > I don't want to waste a port for half a system, that
> > I could use for another use.
> > I was then thinking about using the linking port to
> > run the radio as required, and include a switch to
> > switch in or out the radio.
> > I am using a Link Comm RLC-3 controller, ports are
> > nearly all filled up, that's why I am trying to save
> > the port.
> > 
> > Radio A (Link) RX ---   
> > 
> >    Radio A (Link) TX
> >  |  
> > 
> >   |
> >  |-Input
> > to controller  / Output from Controller 
> >  |
> > from site 1  from site 2
> >|
> > Radio B (1/2 split) RX--X---
> > 
> > X- Radio B (1/2 split) TX
> > 
> > X = switch to switch out the Split site repeater.
> > 
> > Can I ask for some views on this, and any circuit/s
> > that may help, even if I only get the audio lines
> > working, this would be a help.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Kevin.
> > 
> >  
> > Get Skype and call me for free.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
>  

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: TPL amplifier - aka repeater operation at the 250 ...

[Jeff Kincaid]

How 'bout 50 kW on 600 kHz?

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Laryn Lohman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> And I'll add to the  mixes:  FM broadcast separated by 600 kc.
> causing intermod on 2m repeaters.  Don't have it here in town, but AM
> broadcast separated by same.  And at one time-- 152.24/152.84 paging.
> 
> Laryn K8TVZ
> 
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > This annoying first order stuff can create some bad juju, and it can  
> > happen with ANY group of repeaters running the same offset... VHF  
> > +-600 KHz splits, UHF +-5 MHz splits...
> > --
> > Nate Duehr, WY0X
> > nate@
> >
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 220 link radios

[Jeff Kincaid]

Thanks Leon, for passing that on.

Regards,
Jeff W6JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Leon Ingerick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Take a look at this link
>
>   http://members.aol.com/w8ak/maxtrac222.htm
>
>   I ran into Glenn,  W8AK out at Dayton back in May..  He had a
couple of these Maxtracs set up as a repeater on 224 mhz and seemed to
work real nice..  I have not tried the conversion myself but it looks
like it would be a nice way to link on 222 mhz if someone wanted to
give it a try..  
>
>   Glenn said he does not have the time to do the conversions and
just wanted to give it a try and post the results on his website..
>
>   Hope this helps and Good Luck with your linking..
>
>   Leon-N2HLT
>
>   http://www.repeater.net/n2hlt
>
>   
> 
> James Delancy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   I have had very good luck with my ADI unit that became a
repeater 
> transmitter after I got tired of trying to keep the old maggiore stuff 
> on the air. I do believe that ADI is out of the US market though
> 
> James
> 
> _
> to amplify on Skipp's statement about ADI radios, I have a 220
> repeater in Skipp's vault on Mount Vaca, and I was using an ADI 220
> radio to monitor it. It was on constantly for about six months; the
> display would become unintelligible, and the radio would stop
> transmitting. I would do a hard reset, and it would start working
> again; but it would lose all its programming. I finally gave up and
> purchased a new ALINCO a year ago and have been pleased with the
> radio, it just keeps percolating along.
> 
> Gregory AC6VJ
> 
> 
>  
> 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

[Jeff Kincaid]

Ah, I didn't think of tapering.  Obviously a good idea in this
application.  Thanks for the details.

I see we're off topic, so I'll stop now.

Regards,
Jeff W6JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Jim Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On the E-4 aircraft we delivered to the Air Force, the wire was
about 1/4 inch at the aircraft end and tapered down to around 1/8 inch
at the drogue at the far end.  (to keep the wire from whipping around
in the slipstream).  We could never deploy the wire over the US, but
had to go down to the closed airspace south of Eglin AFB in the gulf
to let the wire out.  Can you imagine what would happen to the power
distribution system over land if you had to cut the wire?
>
>   The wire was spiral wrapped ribbon and I don't know what the core
looked like.
>    
>   73 - Jim  W5ZIT
> 
> Jeff Kincaid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   What size wire does it take to be self supporting at that
length?
> 
> 'JK
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ron Wright  wrote:
> >
> >... a C130 aircraft with 30,000 ft of wire hung out the back...
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>
> -
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexers

[Jeff Kincaid]

What size wire does it take to be self supporting at that length?

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>... a C130 aircraft with 30,000 ft of wire hung out the back...

[Repeater-Builder] Re: I think this tower HAS a problem...

[Jeff Kincaid]

We're next door, I think.  But our site owner would fix it (except
that I doubt it would happen to him!).

Jeff W6JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "wb6ymh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And it's been that way for at least 2 months...  Our radio use to be
> in that building, I'm glad we're not there any more!  
> 
> Skip WB6YMH
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "sgreact47" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: I think this tower has a problem...  
> > 
> > Oops...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > That IS a bit much "down tilt".
> >
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Macro & Prefix formats for multi site programming

[Jeff Kincaid]

I remember when Bill was WA2HVK.

I remember talking with Ken on '46, too.  We've both changed callsigns
since then as well.

Jeff W6JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> (no wonder no one talks to my remote on .46 up here in Orygun!!)
> 
> Ken
> (Hell, I remember when Bill Pasternak was simply WA6ITF!)

[Repeater-Builder] Re: deviation meter in Motorola test set?

[Jeff Kincaid]

I don't have the dev meter in mine, so I'm not sure what the manual
says about that.  But I think I do have an extra copy of that manual...

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "wb6ymh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I just picked up a S1059B Motorola test set at the swap meet yesterday 
> that has the peaking generator and deviation meter panel options.  
> I'll probably never use it, but I'm curious how the deviation panel is 
> used.  There are BNC connectors on it for an antenna and OSC.  I'm 
> assuming the peaking generator is jumpered to the deviation panel for 
> use as a local oscillator. Did I guess right, do I get a fish biscuit?
> 
> 73's Skip WB6YMH
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: coordination question for the seasoned owners

[Jeff Kincaid]

Coordinators are a savvy lot (well, some of them are), and they know
that sometimes a fellow will repeatedly claim that his gear is on the
air when in fact it is not.  So, they want to be able to kerchunk the
thing for themselves.  Even if it's closed, the PL tone should be in
their files and they should be able to key it up.  If they can't,
they're going to doubt your veracity.  Now, maybe you just had the box
functioned off when they checked it (every time), but how are they
going to know that?  If that's the case, you need to take the bull by
the horns and arrange to demonstrate the repeater's existance at a
mutually convenient time.  If you can't they're going to believe that
you have a "paper repeater," and they're going to give the channel to
someone else.  They clearly have doubts about your operation, and
you're going to have to meet them half way to straighten it out.

Regards,
Jeff W6JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Coy Hilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> HI Gang
>  I have had one of my 2 meter repeaters coordinated as a closed 
> repeater for at least two years. Three times last year I was sent a 
> email asking if the repeater was on the air and three times I 
> answered "yes" each time.  I had even had a on going discussion about 
> having multiple transmitters on the same pair coordinated. I was never 
> asked to prove the repeater existed or even to "prove it" in any other 
> way. They are trying to de-coordinate me on this pair using this 
> reason. when it has been coordinated as a CLOSED machine for 2 years.
> 
> My question to you is have any of you guys have ever heard of having a 
> repeater coordination recinded because of this. I know that the FCC 
> rules say that Closed repeaters are allowed and the coordinators will 
> allow coordinating a repeater as closed. I'm looking for further 
> replies or suggestions as how to handle this.
> 
> The local director and vice-director are actually the ones behind this.
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Quintron Info Wanted

[Jeff Kincaid]

No, you're right.  It's got 5 finals and a driver.  I've taken a
closer look now.

Thanks for the help.

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> 
> You may be correct, like I said it's been a while since I worked on
but I
> thought they had 5 finals (50 watts per) plus one that drove the
input of
> the five finals.  That PA takes about 100 mW to drive it, again not
for sure
> though.  I will look for a 7792 book.  If I have one there would only be
> that one and I don't want to get rid of it but may be able to copy
it.  I
> also may still have a friend in California that has a couple, will
email him
> and see.
> 
> That PA sounds like a 7792, it does take 24 volts to run that final.
 The
> station had a funny analog exciter and a FSK adapter that sat just
under the
> exciter to make it work on digital paging.  They were dependable but
a Bear
> when they did go down.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:08 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Quintron Info Wanted
> 
> HI Paul,
> 
> I don't have a station, just the PA.  I don't see a model number on
it, just
> FCC ID and DOC Approval numbers.  The info I posted originally is
all they
> have at the FCC.  DOC was a dead end, Google-wise.
> 
> I thought I counted 4 transistors in the final, but otherwise that
sounds
> like what I have.  Thanks for the clues.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Finch" 
> wrote:
> >
> > What is the model number of the station.  They made several, the 7792
> > (I think was the model) had five distinct transistor PA decks fed into
> > a Wilkinson combiner, again I think.  It' been a while.  I have a lot
> > of Quintron manuals but I don't think I ever ended up with a 7792
> manual, all
> > of those stations were on the West coast.
> >
> > Also, if I remember correctly they all used 24 volts on the final.
> Quintron
> > also absorbed another paging company, Western Radio.  I have no idea
> what
> > they used, they were not very good nor were they around much after the
> > merge.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Hogan
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:15 PM
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Quintron Info Wanted
> >
> > I've also got a Quintron 1/4 KW VHF PA and also in need of a manual.
> I do
> > have the AC PS for mine.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Ralph W4XE
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:59 PM
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Quintron Info Wanted
> >
> >
> > I bagged a Glenayre Quintron 1/4 KW UHF PA at the swap meet last
> Saturday.
> > I'm looking for a manual, comments from anyone familiar with it, and
> most
> > important, the DC power requirements.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Quintron Info Wanted

[Jeff Kincaid]

Thanks Ralph, but this is not the same rig.  Mine is solid state.

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Hogan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> 
> The pwr sup unit for the amp is buried at the bottom of a 6' rack
full of
> stuff so a little hard to get to the back of it this morning.
However from
> the front of it the meter 0-3 Full scale indicates:
> 
> Grid curr 30 mA
> Plate Curr 300 mA
> Plate V  3 KV
> Fuses on the front:
> Filament 1A slow blow
> 30V  2A s.b.
> Cntl 1/2A s.b.
> 
> So you know at least some maximums for the plate and filaments. I
haven't
> fired it up yet, but I saw it in service at the last site it was on.
My 150
> MHz amp is a 4CX250 tube, not sure about the 440 unit. A manual was
supposed
> to come with my unit, but the guy moved during the deal and the manual
> hasn't surfaced yet. If it does I'll scan it for you.
> 
> Ralph W4XE
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:30 AM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Quintron Info Wanted
> 
> 
> Nice to see that I have some company.  How much voltage and current
> does that supply produce?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Hogan" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I've also got a Quintron 1/4 KW VHF PA and also in need of a manual.
> I do
> > have the AC PS for mine.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Ralph W4XE
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:59 PM
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Quintron Info Wanted
> >
> >
> > I bagged a Glenayre Quintron 1/4 KW UHF PA at the swap meet last
> > Saturday.  I'm looking for a manual, comments from anyone familiar
> > with it, and most important, the DC power requirements.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Quintron Info Wanted

[Jeff Kincaid]

HI Paul,

I don't have a station, just the PA.  I don't see a model number on
it, just FCC ID and DOC Approval numbers.  The info I posted
originally is all they have at the FCC.  DOC was a dead end, Google-wise.

I thought I counted 4 transistors in the final, but otherwise that
sounds like what I have.  Thanks for the clues.

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> What is the model number of the station.  They made several, the 7792 (I
> think was the model) had five distinct transistor PA decks fed into a
> Wilkinson combiner, again I think.  It' been a while.  I have a lot of
> Quintron manuals but I don't think I ever ended up with a 7792
manual, all
> of those stations were on the West coast.
> 
> Also, if I remember correctly they all used 24 volts on the final. 
Quintron
> also absorbed another paging company, Western Radio.  I have no idea
what
> they used, they were not very good nor were they around much after the
> merge.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Hogan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:15 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Quintron Info Wanted
> 
> I've also got a Quintron 1/4 KW VHF PA and also in need of a manual.
I do
> have the AC PS for mine.
> 
> thanks,
> Ralph W4XE
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:59 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Quintron Info Wanted
> 
> 
> I bagged a Glenayre Quintron 1/4 KW UHF PA at the swap meet last
Saturday.
> I'm looking for a manual, comments from anyone familiar with it, and
most
> important, the DC power requirements.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Quintron Info Wanted

[Jeff Kincaid]

Nice to see that I have some company.  How much voltage and current
does that supply produce?

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Ralph Hogan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I've also got a Quintron 1/4 KW VHF PA and also in need of a manual.
I do
> have the AC PS for mine.
> 
> thanks,
> Ralph W4XE
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Kincaid
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:59 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Quintron Info Wanted
> 
> 
> I bagged a Glenayre Quintron 1/4 KW UHF PA at the swap meet last
> Saturday.  I'm looking for a manual, comments from anyone familiar
> with it, and most important, the DC power requirements.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

[Repeater-Builder] Quintron Info Wanted

[Jeff Kincaid]

I bagged a Glenayre Quintron 1/4 KW UHF PA at the swap meet last
Saturday.  I'm looking for a manual, comments from anyone familiar
with it, and most important, the DC power requirements.

Jeff

[Repeater-Builder] Re: 6M duplexer wanted in UK

[Jeff Kincaid]

Arrgh!  This place is lousy with people who are looking for 6 or 8 of
those pieces.

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  IM Ashford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Too bad the UK is so expensive to ship to.  We just pulled out six
200 foot runs of Andrew 1 5/8" VXL7-50 heliax that was damaged at the
top of the monople.  It got chopped up into 6 foot lengths and
dumpstered.  (Not much value to this stuff).
> 
> 73, Joe, k1ike
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Rule on tampering with a FCC licensed transmiter

[Jeff Kincaid]

>From WWII onward it was a federal crime to tamper with a licensed
radio station of any kind.  It was a matter of national security. 
But, about 10 or 15 years ago someone noticed that the rule hadn't
been used in decades and it was dropped.  The only remaining recourse
is under local property laws; vandalism, willful destruction,
trespassing, etc.

Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, mch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> They most certainly do license transmitters. It's only in the Ham type
> services the operators are licensed and can put transmitters anywhere
> (almost). That's why the commercial licenses have coordinates and
> frequencies on them.
> 
> As for the rule, I know it exists, but I don't know exactly where
> offhand. I think it's going to be in the 'lower CFR parts', not in the
> rules specific to any one service.
> 
> On the other hand, all the tower signs I've ever seen don't reference
> any specific rule - they just talk about the site being under the
> "jurisdiction of the federal government". Nobody I know of quotes a
> specific law.
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> Gary wrote:
> > 
> > Not sure what you mean John. The FCC does not license transmitters
> > however they do license operators of transmitters and they approve
> > transmitters depending upon they application in the U.S. All the rules
> > and regs can be viewed at the FCC's website. Go to the Wireless
> > Telecommunications Bureau and click on the link to 'Rules and
> > Regulations'.
> > Gary
> > 
> > JOHN MACKEY wrote:
> > 
> > > Can anyone qoute me the rule abotu tampering with a federally
> > > licensed
> > > transmitter?
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: MOTOROLA MTX BUG ??

[Jeff Kincaid]

Perhaps a better solution would be to train the VIPs to know that
radio communications are not secure in any case.

Regards,
Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, mch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Uhhh... train the people to NOT press the button three times? (or any)
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> Khaled Thekri wrote:
> > 
> > mike
> > 
> > Oh my god
> > it's difficult solution . we have 1500 radios ...
> > i can't do that for this number
> > 
> > thx :)
> > 
> > Mike Morris WA6ILQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >  Open up the radio and disconnect the 3rd button?
> > 
> >  Sometimes the soldering iron is the simplest way to do it...
> > 
> >  At 07:06 PM 12/04/06, you wrote:
> >  >This is not a BUG.
> >  >
> >  >This is the way to get into the service mode to check the
> >  radio with out the
> >  >RSS or CPS software.
> >  >
> >  >This button must be pressed 3 times within the first 10
> >  seconds of being
> >  >turned on.
> >  >
> >  >As far as I know, there is no way to disable this feature.
> >  Sorry. Motorola
> >  >has done it again.
> >  >
> >  >Charles Miller
> >  >
> >  >- Original Message -
> >  >From: "Khaled Thekri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  >To: "Radio radio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> >  "Repeater Builder"
> >  >
> >  >Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 5:47 AM
> >  >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MOTOROLA MTX BUG ??
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > > Dear sir
> >  > >
> >  > > could anyone can help me ? i have a big problem in
> >  Motorola Mtx-b3
> >  > >
> >  > > I HAD AUTHORIZED TO MANAGE THE WIRELESS NETWORK FOR
> >  GOVERMENTAL NETWORK
> >  >FOR TWO WAY RADIO IN TRUNKING SYSTEM ..
> >  > >
> >  > > THE PROBLEM IF THE USER CLICK THREE CLICK'S ON THIRD
> >  SIDE BOTTONES THE
> >  >RADIO ENTER INTO SERVICE MODE .. AND RECEIVED THE CONTROL
> >  CHANNELS FOR
> >  >STATION ,THAT MEANS ANYONE CAN HAIRED ANY VIP'S TALKS IN
> >  STATION ???
> >  > >
> >  > > THEREFOR
> >  > >
> >  > > HOW CAN I DISABLE THE THIRD SIDE BOTTONE OR DISABLE THAT
> >  FEATURES ON
> >  >SYSTEM OR IN RADIO ??
> >  > >
> >  > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE HELP ME
> >  > >
> >  > > REGARDS
> > 
> > --
> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: The Great Sort --- part 2

[Jeff Kincaid]

For those down south, I'm planning on setting up a one-stop get-on-902
booth at "TRW" on Saturday. I'll have a box of GTX portables, both
basic and deluxe models, programmed and ready to use with antennas and
charged batteries on them (and belt clips even), and both standard and
rapid chargers. I'll also have the replacement front end filters for
Maxtrac 902 conversions, some X9000 EEPROM upgrade kits (gives you 255
modes), and the Baygen Freeplay drive belt repair kits.

Jeff W6JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>   
>This coming weekend - starting Friday - tentatively, the garage 
>   here is getting cleaned out.   If you are here, you can have some 
>   if you are not here, you can't have some ... 
>   
>Included ... 
>Motorola: Motrac, Mocom-70, Micor, Mitrek etc
>GE Mastr-Pro, Mastr II, Exec II, whatever ... 
>RCA Series 700
>Manuals too 
>Other ... 
>
>73, 
>Neil McKie - WA6KLA
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: fading desense

[Jeff Kincaid]

Could this be LMR cable noise?  What kind of coax are you using?

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I read that somewhere and that could be very possible .I have 2
moringstar
> 12-20amp and one Australian made relay type regulator 
>  
> Thank You,
> Ian Wells,
> Kerinvale Comaudio,
> www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au
>  
> ---Original Message---
>  
> From: Gareth Bennett
> Date: 05/04/06 21:22:37
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] fading desense
>  
> I thought that this could have been precip static, but this appears
not to
> be the case in this instance.
> If your site is solar powered, try disabling the solar charge
regulator
> and running the site soley on batteries whilst testing with a mobile
in an
> area that causes such noise.
> Certain brands of solar or wind charge regulators have been known to
cause
> havoc with VHF/UHF repeater systems
> _
>  
> Gareth Bennett
>  
> This e-mail is confidential, if you received this message in error,
or you
> are not the intended recipient,
> please return it to the sender and destroy any copies.
> Thank you.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Ian Wells 
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 11:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] fading desense
> 
> 
> All .at the moment we have clear days  with low wind .it may come
down to
> antennas swaying  
> Thank You,
> Ian Wells,
> Kerinvale Comaudio,
> www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au
>  
> ---Original Message---
>  
> From: Gareth Bennett
> Date: 05/04/06 21:07:02
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] fading desense
>  
> Ian, What weather conditions does this happen in?
> _
>  
> Gareth Bennett
>  
> This e-mail is confidential, if you received this message in error,
or you
> are not the intended recipient,
> please return it to the sender and destroy any copies.
> Thank you.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Ian Wells 
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] fading desense
> 
> 
> 2nd desense .i.e. Crackle fading in and out on the signal .Sometimes
clear
> as and then crackle gets worst and then clears up.
> I am please of the help the guys came up with before in relation to
my uhf
> and VHF repeaters .The problem turned out to be my mobile notch
duplexer and
> it has now been replaced with a TX/rx system band  pass/reject diplexer
> which has stoped desense on both the VHF and uhf repeater now I have
to sort
> out the crackling that fades in and out 
>  
> Thank You,
> Ian Wells,
> Kerinvale Comaudio,
> www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au
>  
> ---Original Message---
>  
> From: Gareth Bennett
> Date: 05/04/06 20:52:35
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] fading desense
>  
> Hi Ian, 
> Can you elaborate some more?
> Do you mean that your repeater Rx is experiencing a fading
signal from a
> mobile.
> ... Or is your repeater suffering from interference from possibly
another
> repeater or local device (Desense).
>  
> Cheers 
> _
>  
> Gareth Bennett
>  
> This e-mail is confidential, if you received this message in error,
or you
> are not the intended recipient,
> please return it to the sender and destroy any copies.
> Thank you.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Ian Wells 
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:37 PM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] fading desense
> 
> 
>  Would anyone have some sugestions on reducing desense fading in and
out on
> a repeater.some information sugests checking out the antenna system .any
> sugestions?
>  
> Thank You,
> Ian Wells,
> Kerinvale Comaudio,
> www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Uniden 220 amp info needed.

[Jeff Kincaid]

Thanks for the invite, but the 1000-mile round trip is a bit much for
lunch.

Thanks also for the rundown on the amp.

Regards,
Jeff

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff, 
> 
> You can join all 15 to 25 of us hams, broadcasters, IT & 
> and general trouble makers for lunch most any Wednesday if 
> you're in Sacramento.  Just drop Dave or myself a note for 
> directions. 
> 
> About the Uniden 220 "Trunking ACSB Mode Linear Amplifiers".  
> They were made by Milcom and some of you have already worked 
> on them in various forms. The only online reference seems to 
> be the N2CKH page: 
> 
> http://www.n2ckh.com/125m_rptr.htm 
> 
> I have found the ARX-2125 chassis to be frequency limited 
> above the trunking band. The output derated quite a bit. 
> 
> I have the Milcom version of the same or similar chassis 
> working very well with minor conversions.  I rebiased the 
> amplifier and removed the wideband hybrid first stage. 
> Vcc voltage is pretty critical so I provide a regulated 
> 28 volt supply (not the original). From memory I get about 
> 130 watts output with 7 to 14 watts input. 
> 
> The Uniden Amplifiers have a lot of additional electronics 
> (in the form of protection and feedback circuits). You have 
> to wade through what little information there is to figure 
> out if you want to use the additional circuits. 
> 
> cheers,
> skipp 
> 
> 
> > "Jeff Kincaid"  wrote:
> > Hey Skipp, can the rest of us listen in from the 
> > adjacent booth?
> > 'JK
> > 
> > > "skipp025"  wrote:
> > > Dave, 
> > > When I see you at lunch on Wednesday, I'll tell you 
> > > all about them... 
> > > skipp 
> > > 
> > > > "na6df"  wrote:
> > > > I have found a source for some Uniden 220 amps, I'm sure 
> > > > they are out of commercial ACSSB service. Model ARX-2125z. 
> > > > I know they are 125 watts out, probably linear, maybe 2 
> > > > watts drive? Anybody have any info on these units? Google 
> > > > found nothing. The price is right, for sure.
> > > > NA6DF, Dave Fortenberry
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Uniden 220 amp info needed.

[Jeff Kincaid]

Hey Skipp, can the rest of us listen in from the adjacent booth?

'JK

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dave, 
> 
> When I see you at lunch on Wednesday, I'll tell you all about them... 
> skipp 
> 
> > "na6df"  wrote:
> >
> > I have found a source for some Uniden 220 amps, I'm sure they are out 
> > of commercial ACSSB service. Model ARX-2125z. I know they are 125 
> > watts out, probably linear, maybe 2 watts drive? Anybody have any
info 
> > on these units? Google found nothing. The price is right, for sure.
> > 
> > NA6DF, Dave Fortenberry
> >
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