[Repeater-Builder] Re: Breaker (Was the beat to death ID Thread)

[tallinson2]

WEL...I thought this site was a cut above the "generic" ham radio
sites out on the internet.  I can see that it is not.  Time to move
on.  So long, all.
Tom


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Jim McLaughlin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, of course your right  Rick, but.there are always those that
just 'have to' let all of us know what they think or know, because
they are the ones that are right.
> 
> Jim-WA9FPT
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Rick Klinge 
>   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:21 AM
>   Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Amateur Repeater ID's
> 
> 
>   I thought the Moderator closed this tread? No?
> 
>   Rick Klinge
>   KC5UIW









--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, TGundo 2003 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Some workers at the site were painting the chain link fence with a
bright shiny silver paint, and they ran an extension from the circuit
to their big commercial paint mixer. Guess there was not enough
headroom left in the circuit for a giant motor!
> 
> As for the drive, its a killer! 5 minutes from the office ;)
> 
> Tom
> W9SRV
> 
> tallinson2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <
> breaker on the circuit powering the repeater.>>
> 
> I wonder if someone tripped the breaker or if it's just getting tired?
>  If it trips again, it's probably time to replace it.  Hope it isn't a
> long trip out to the site.
> Tom 
> 
> 
> 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Amateur repeater ID's

[tallinson2]

<>

I wonder if someone tripped the breaker or if it's just getting tired?
 If it trips again, it's probably time to replace it.  Hope it isn't a
long trip out to the site.
Tom 


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, TGundo 2003 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> MCH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, you are left with people who want to cause trouble by reporting 
> something they don't feel is right in how someone else is operating. 
> IOW, sticking their nose in the business of others. Operating should be 
> between the licensee and the FCC and nobody else.
> 
> AMEN!
> 
> 
> 
> I for one have used such IDs as an indication that a repeater is still 
> operating correctly. It also gives technical info (telemetry) of the 
> site conditions which is a legal one-way transmission.
> 
> Me too- The hourly ID lets me make sure all is well with the system
during monitoring. Two days ago I noticed I did not hear the ID, found
one of the Linked Repeaters not up. A quick visit to the site revealed
some workers had tripped the breaker on the circuit powering the
repeater. Had it back up and running within hours, as opposed to
getting the call when I am not able to run out.
> 
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> However- this is all food for thought. I might consider removing all
of the top of the hour ID's. Makes you wonder about all the time put
into repeater controller engineering to facilitate things like
schedulers and such to make all of these illegal broadcasting possible. 
> 
> Thats it- I'm blaming S-Com Bob for all the trouble 
> 
> 73's
> Tom
> W9SRV
> 
> 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: IFR 1600s

[tallinson2]

When I was working, the company I worked for used Cardinal.  They
always did good work and quite reasonable.  That's who I'd use.
Tom


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Joel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello Group
> 
> 
> 
> Hope you'all may be able to help,my IFR 16006 is due for calibration but
> still passes all self test.The problem is in the trackin generator when
> tuning duplexer's it has three settings for the tracking gen, low,
> medium and high,I thought it was only susposed to just change the scan
> rate but it will show at different positions in low, medium and
> highmaybe you 1600s owners may be able to clue me in on whats going on.I
> am also going to send it to Cardinal Electronics for calibration,any
> coments on them and some recomendations where to send it to,Areoflex is
> very expensive so trying to save a few dollars.
> 
> Joel
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola MSF5000

[tallinson2]

The switch you need, SW801, is Motorola part number 4083980R12, shown
as: SW TGL BD MTG ON OFF MOM E107: List price $17.06.  Motorola is
your friend (as long as you come with money!)  Glad it was something
simple.
Tom


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone for their help.  I opened everything up today...
 The VCOs 
> were locked- so I unlocked them.  I did find the problem.  The
accessory 
> disable/reset switch seems to be malfunctioning.  There are no
longer 3 positions 
> on the switch.  It stays in acc disable- I can "hold" the switch in
the middle 
> and the repeater works great!  Any ideas?
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> **
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> Home.
>  
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> ncid=aolhom000301)
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Compa Station Help

[tallinson2]

Actually, I wouldn't be too concerned about the condition of the rest
of the station.  As stated earlier, the channel elements are often
removed to prevent operation on the previous user's channel.  Not a
big deal.  The cards are often kept as spares, particularly if the
station was disposed of through a repair shop.  The missing PA power
leads are a bit unusual but, at most, five minutes to replace them. 
If you want to make a repeater, you don't need an antenna relay but
they can be found too, if needed.  I wish I had a dollar for every ham
repeater that is made from converted mobiles, these are ALL
"intermittent duty" transmitters.  With reduced power and a cooling
fan (mainly for peace of mind) this station will be more reliable than
80% of the so called continuous duty ham gear out there.  I'd take
that station anyday in preference to a "Kensu" desktop "repeater". 
The receiver is easily converted with a "recoiled" RF front end
available very reasonably.  Your biggest challenge is going to be that
HIGH split transmitter.
Tom

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Milt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Intermittent duty base station that has been robbed of parts.
> 
> No channel elements in the receiver, probably none in the transmitter.
> No station control card.  No high current leads to the final.  As
noted by 
> earlier posts this is not a unit that will handle long periods of 
> transmission.  Also no antenna relay (not that you need one for what
you 
> want to do).
> 
> Given the number of missing parts I would be very suspicious of the
overall 
> condition of the unit.
> 
> Milt
> N3LTQ
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Compa Station Help
> 
> 
> > How about some pictures?  They are a little big and some
> > are redundant but hopefully it should give you guys some
> > idea of what I have.
> >
> > http://www.highwayusa.com/motorola/pict0001.jpg
> > http://www.highwayusa.com/motorola/pict0002.jpg
> > http://www.highwayusa.com/motorola/pict0003.jpg
> > http://www.highwayusa.com/motorola/pict0004.jpg
> > http://www.highwayusa.com/motorola/pict0005.jpg
> >
> >
> > Vern
> >
> > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:12:06 -0500 (CDT)
> >  Ron Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Vern,
> >>
> >> Usually the easiest way to find what band and band
> >>segment it are on is to look at the Channel Elements, the
> >>small cans in the exciter and receiver.  They unplug.  A
> >>label on the top of the cans gives its frequency.
> >> However, to prevent them being put back on the same freq
> >>some pull the elements.  Most always one can get to them
> >>thru a panel behind the receiver.  Same with some
> >>exciters.
> >>
> >> There were 3 ranges for VHF as someone stated.
> >>
> >> Wonder what the heat sink looks like.  The continuous
> >>duty has large 17"w x 7h x 6 deep heat sink.  Otherwise
> >>it is built into the main chassis or is tube amp.
> >>
> >> Mot made a number of variations of these.  They do make
> >>good repeaters.  Just takes some work.
> >>
> >> One clue if it is a repeater and not a base station is
> >>the card cage usually has a "Squelch Gate" card.  This
> >>controls rx to tx keying.
> >>
> >> I think others gave you lots of good info with the
> >>repeater builders site.
> >>
> >> The power supply tells lots.  Might describe it.
> >>
> >> 73, ron, n9ee/r
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>Date: 2008/03/28 Fri PM 01:19:10 CDT
> >>>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> >>>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Compa Station Help
> >>
> >>>
> >>>I have a Compa Station with the model number
> >>>C73RTB-1106C.
> >>>
> >>>I am looking for some help figuring out what this is
> >>>split, etc and how to make it into a repeater.
> >>>
> >>>First things first is that there is no power leads hooked
> >>>up except for the one to the control board box.  I can
> >>>see
> >>>where there are places for heavy cables from the power
> >>>supply to the transmitter.  Is there seperate power for
> >>>the receiver or does that come from the ribbon cable?
> >>>
> >>>How can I get this thing to key up to see what the TX
> >>>frequency is?  If I find out the TX freq can I sweep the
> >>>recv side with a freq generator to figure out where it
> >>>opens up?
> >>>
> >>>Are these crystal controlled or can they be adjusted to
> >>>get the right frequency pair?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Vern
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ron Wright, N9EE
> >> 727-376-6575
> >> MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS
> >> Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL
> >> No tone, all are welcome.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor UHF Repeater Parts

[tallinson2]

Bob,
I need option cards but, at I don't have a Micor manual as yet, I can
only give you the description printed on the card tray.  If you have
an email that I can send the list to, email me at tallinson2 
yahooo  comm.  $5.00 each as is is fine with me.
Tom

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "bbfmrf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have a number of UHF Micor repeaters that I wish to move.  I have 
> tried selling them as a whole, but response was not positive, (mainly 
> due to shipping expense), so here is the new deal:
> 
> I will dismantle and sell ANY item on the repeater for $5 EACH, (Only 
> exception is the Low Power Amp, for which I request $10) plus 
> shipping.  (If multiple items are purchased, there will only be the 
> one shipping charge for all items included in the package).
>  
> I will stand firm at $5 each just to simplify matters.  Cards will be 
> included in this offer.  I have too many to list, so if you are 
> looking for something, please send a request and preferably a part # 
> and I will respond w/ the closest match I can find.  
>  
> (FYI, I have a LOT of cards from MSY repeaters and am not aware of 
> the differences, but if you want or can use any of those, the price 
> will be $2.00 per card for the MSY stuff)
>  
> All items are sold AS IS, (Caveat Emptor).  Again I believe all items 
> to be useable, but I have no way of testing. IF there is an item w/ a 
> problem I WILL work w/ you to replace it as best I can, but there are 
> no guarantees.
>  
> When requesting any items, please be as descriptive as possible and 
> if you can / want to include a picture of the item you want that 
> would be helpful.  My experience w/ Micors is limited and this will 
> be somewhat of a learning experience for me.
> 
> I do not have the time, materials or specific knowledge of these 
> items to test them in advance, however I can send pictures of the 
> actual items before shipping for a visual approval.
> 
> I am not a Motorola expert and I am not a HAM, so I cannot provide 
> information as to the operating capabilities of these units. I can 
> provide specific model information and you may research with others 
> that are familiar with this equipment.
> 
> All equipment will be shipped from the Chicago area, based upon ZIP 
> code 60527
> 
> Buyers will pay actual shipping costs, which in some cases will 
> include a few additional dollars to cover the cost of the shipping 
> materials. (boxes, packing material etc)
> 
> Pick up and inspection is available on an appointment basis. If you 
> want to go as far and bring test equipment, feel free.
> 
> First Come First Served and Thank You for your Interest.
>  
> Bob
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Another frequency grab.

[tallinson2]

Mike said: "This sound like an un-necessary technical solution for
non-existent problem."

Unfortunately, this is not the case.  Having had family involved in
the medical profession (RN) I was told of several horror stories of
objects being left in patients, in one case resulting in the death of
the patient.  HOWEVER, based on the description of the device's use in
the application filed, I wonder why such a large chunk of spectrum is
being requested.  For such short-duration, enclosed use, I would think
that 0.5Mc or possibly even less would be more than sufficient to
accomplish their needs.  If they were to be assigned a band, say from
909.5 to 910.0 Mc., I would think that that would more than meet the
requirements for that type of application.  I also believe that this
type of argument would carry more weight in responses to the FCC. 
That said, even if they get what they are asking for, I find it hard
to believe that this would produce much potential for interference
given the fact that it would be most likely used in a concrete and
steel building, the radiator would be highly inefficient and
directional, interrogation times would be very brief and overall usage
would not constitute prolonged periods of time.  It's reassuring that
people are keeping an eye on these things but this particular one does
one raise much concern in my own mind.
Tom KB5DPE

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> While the hams only use the top and bottom megahertz
> of the 900mhz band, and we are secondary there, I think
> we all might be interested in this waiver request of Part 15
> rules for the 902-928 band.
> 
> 
> 
> What's wrong with a pencil and paper tally system that has worked
> since my great grandfather did appendectomies, treated gunshot wounds,
> slipped axe wounds and other surgery on logging camp mess hall tables
> over 90 years ago ? He was a physician that took care of 5 logging camps
> and the surrounding towns in the area around the California-Oregon
border
> from the coast to about 15 miles inland.
> 
> All he had in the way of instruments and drugs was what he could
carry in
> his saddlebags and maybe a pack mule if it was going to be an
extended trip.
> He drafted loggers or other locals as operating help.  And he never
left a
> sponge or an instrument in a patient.
> 
> This sound like an un-necessary technical solution for non-existent
problem.
> 
> We have about 5 weeks to file our comments with the FCC on this one.
> 
> Mike WA6ILQ
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor station modules?

[tallinson2]

Second question (I've been wondering about this for a long time and was 
too lazy to ask)!

Can Micor station modules be used in an MSR2000 station? and vice-versa?



--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kris Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Can Micor station modules be used in an MSR2000 station?
> 
> --
> Kris Kirby, KE4AHR  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 
>   --rly
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Astron Power Supply

[tallinson2]

Email me and I'll reply with a PDF of those pages from the manual.  I'm 
not good at explaining even simple things.  My email address is 
tallinson2 att yahooo dott kom. (All spelled correctly).
Tom

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "dallasreact112" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Has any one had experience with setting output voltage on an Astron
> RM-50M power supply? I'd like to bump up the voltage to 14.4 V to
> override a diode junction loss in a battery isolator. Does it have the
> room to be adjusted up? 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bernie Parker
> 
> K5BP
>

[Repeater-Builder] Re: old Motorola

[tallinson2]

"or to push to 52MHz for the amateur 6 meter band)."

Mike,
Did I understand this correctly? The 42 to 50 split can be pushed to 
the 52Mc repeaters without modifying the front end?  I have a U51LLT 
Motran that I would like to put on the 6m ham band, but digging into 
those front end coils has scared me off a bit (there's too darn many 
of them).  Would be great if it could be pushed to 52Mc without 
mods.  Also, someone on here mentioned the channel elements.  My 
channel elements for that radio were lost when I moved to this house 
and I haven't been able to find any.  If there are any spares 
floating around for the "L" transmitter and "L" receiver, either one 
or two channel, I'd sure like to buy them.  The ones that were in 
there were TLN1022A and TLN1020A, but I'm told that the TLN1080 
series will work also. If anyone has anything, please email with what 
you have and price.  Thanks,
Tom KB5DPE 


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> At 09:28 AM 07/22/07, "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Rich,
> >
> >A C71LHB-3400C is a Compa-Station Base Radio for 25-50 MHz, 100 
watts,
> >Private-Line, and DC remote control.  The manual that covers it is
> >6881005E40, which is no longer in print.  I am assuming that the 
model
> >number tag actually represents the equipment inside.
> 
> And Rich - that radio is NOT going to cover 30 to 50mhz.  It's 
built 
> for a subset
> of those frequencies, called a "range" or a "split" in Moto 
terminology.
> 
> The "4" in 3400 indicates that you have a dual receiver unit, or at 
> least the radio
> that was in the cabinet originally did.
> 
> The low band Motracs came in three ranges:
> (1) 30-36mhz (which can be pushed to 28mhz for the 10 meter band)
> (2) 36-42MHz (pretty useless except as parts, or maybe for a 
Volunteer
> Fire Department that has channels there)
> (3) 42-50MHz (useful to Red Cross, which has a nationwide channel at
> 47.42Mhz, or to push to 52MHz for the amateur 6 meter band).
> 
> It's not practical to try and range change a low band Motrac as you
> would have to modify (or rewind) some coils.
> 
> Did it come with the Channel Elements?  They are little blue or
> gold aluminum cans that plug into a cluster of 4 pins in the 
receiver
> or transmitter. The receiver had locations for 2, the transmitter 
for 4,
> and an option board added slots 3 and 4 to the receiver.
> 
> Setting that unit up on channel, assuming you have the channel
> elements, is about $40-50 if you re-crystal the elements yourself,
> or more if you have the crystal house do it.  And they you get to
> tune it up.
> 
> Mike WA6ILQ
>

[Repeater-Builder] WTT for 6M Maxtrac

[tallinson2]

I would like to find a clean 16 or 32 channel Maxtrac, 40 to 50 Mc
split for 6M ham use. Power not too important, but prefer unmodified
(would like to do it myself). I have a couple of 800 Mc Maxtracs (good
900 repeater receivers), lots of spare MSF5000 parts (boards, power
supplies, 800 RF tray (CXB), etc. to trade but not much cash. Also 
would be interested if someone has a spare set of boards and PA to 
convert one of my 800's to 6M. Please email only with what you have and 
what you're looking for. Thanks for reading.
Tom KB5DPE

[Repeater-Builder] Re: First repeater?

[tallinson2]

Have no idea how this ranks but just FYI WB6AAE, Grizzly Peak, 
California (SF Bay Area), 146.2/146.8 was up and running when I got my 
license in 1962.  Around late 1963 or early 1964, added a UHF repeater 
on 449.5/448.1.  Sponsonred by Grizzly Peak VHF Amateur Radio Club, 
Richmond, California.  Several other repeaters were also up and running 
at that time including K6GWE (I think it was K6), an AM repeater on the 
San Francisco peninsula.  I don't remember the city.  Also a couple of 
others in "General" portion of 2meters (144 - 145 and 147 - 148)  I was 
Tech. at the time so don't know too much about those.  Interesting 
project.  Hope you get lots of information.  Will be following this 
with interest.
Tom 

- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, mch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I know this is somewhat controversial, but I'm looking for the 
date/year
> the first ham repeater was put on the air. Anyone know of a webpage 
with
> repeater history? Would like to have this info tonight for a
> presentation tomorrow.
> 
> Joe M.
>