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Well I am on my Lap top and it has Auto Fix. I can't fine where to turn it off. The big problem is it looks good till I send it. Then after it goes off the sreen it fixes what it does not like. 73 Russ - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR Russ, you need to get hold of a spell checker. :-) (or not have it automatically 'fix' all the things it thinks is wrong.) Joe M. russ wrote: The problem was not price. In fact the Kenwood Systems stuff was more money. When Motorola closed it's service (Factory) state wide service of there units went away. 2nd was the fact that the new Motorola stuff was not as good as the older Micros. Ever since mother M stopped building radio's in the US they went down the tubes. They (the State)compared Johnson, (there number 2 Joyce) Motorola, Midland, MA Com. For state wide support and less break downs then any of the above. It was Kenwood systems. in fact in the last year the break down rate is less the 1% with Kenwood Systems. I have a copy of the full report form the state if you would like a copy. Neat reading. The state of PA went with MA/Com for there state wide system for many of the same reasons. Add one thing Kenwood systems was two Million higher then MA/Com. This seems to be going on all over. There was a time when Motorola was king. But in the pass few year they have lost more contracts then they ever have. So that is the answer to the why question. Very best. Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR In my opinion, the reason someone might change from Motorola to Kenwood is price ... and perhaps attitude. Neil - WA6KLA russ wrote: I do not think so on the cars. I think you need to think about Motorola in the early years. Maggiore was the same in the early years. If it was build after Paul statrted building them and since 1997 or so they did a 100% turn around. Ever wonder why the State police in GA stoped useing Motorola and went to Kenwood systems? Any way you are beatting a dead horse. Any way like you said if the user likes it it is fine. But like one guy said on the list today. He has used evey thing and they all have there place. Please go look up the Part 90. It thourgh me for a loop. Part 95 GMRS I guess It did not but the Part 90 did. I see so much of it out there. Any way. Have a great day and a good night. 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR I'll have to check that about part 90!! Regarding the Maggiore, if the user is happy then I guess that is all that matters. There are many that have had bad experiences with that equipment. This reminds me of a article in the newspaper the other day. They did an article on the Yugo brand of cars, discussing how so many people dislike them but a certain few are very loyal and happy. Maybe the Maggiore Yugos have a lot in common. If it were me type acceptance was a problem, I would use the Micor or Mastr II as the receiver the Maggiore as the transmitter. russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE FCC! They came off the list a few years back. Go read for your self. Still a pile of the out there that have not been replaced but that does not back it right. Just a fact. 73 Russ. On the side there are about 40 very happy Maggiore users on the list? Most just do not want to get in a back and forth. Again came out and see a good system well installed. 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]]] ... snip ... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I do not think so on the cars. I think you need to think about Motorola in the early years. Maggiore was the same in the early years. If it was build after Paul statrted building them and since 1997 or so they did a 100% turn around. Ever wonder why the State police in GA stoped useing Motorola and went to Kenwood systems? Any way you are beatting a dead horse. Any way like you said if the user likes it it is fine. But like one guy said on the list today. He has used evey thing and they all have there place. Please go look up the Part 90. It thourgh me for a loop. Part 95 GMRS I guess It did not but the Part 90 did. I see so much of it out there. Any way. Have a great day and a good night. 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR I'll have to check that about part 90!! Regarding the Maggiore, if the user is happy then I guess that is all that matters. There are many that have had bad experiences with that equipment. This reminds me of a article in the newspaper the other day. They did an article on the Yugo brand of cars, discussing how so many people dislike them but a certain few are very loyal and happy. Maybe the Maggiore Yugos have a lot in common. If it were me type acceptance was a problem, I would use the Micor or Mastr II as the receiver the Maggiore as the transmitter. russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE FCC! They came off the list a few years back. Go read for your self. Still a pile of the out there that have not been replaced but that does not back it right. Just a fact. 73 Russ. On the side there are about 40 very happy Maggiore users on the list? Most just do not want to get in a back and forth. Again came out and see a good system well installed. 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]]] Mastr II and Micor not ok to use in part 90?!?!?!?!? Says who? russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee I was work at ATC when the memo came down to remove all Master 2 RCA and Micores if they where not type accepted for the service they had listed on the paper work. I did not know untill that time that they where not ok to use for part 95 GMRS or part 90 Business. Yes you find a bad Maggiore every once in a while. The old one where bad. I have not seen any of the new ones bad. I am sure there out there. Just like the stuff you are talking about has there share of bad ones. We could go back and forth and you just takes up time. Lots of time. Hey I am an old tube man my self. I alway thought a tube was cleaner. I till beleve that but yet we build new TV stuff that is very high power and not tube. I started my 1st job at a 500 watt day time only omni with a Gates transmitter. BUT! You know they (and I) have come a long way. You realy have to look a round. As I have stated time and time again the early Maggiore stuff was crap. I had one of the 1st ones that Frank build and it was junk. I replaced it with a Micore that ran well for years. It died one winter night and I bought one of the new ones from Maggioe as a temp replacement. I sold the Micore and started replacing all the rest of my old stuff with Maggiore and never looked back. As I said come on out pick a site. I will let you go see a Maggiore in HIGH Rf areas or in the sticks. I get suppy any test equment you mite need ot bring your own. I was suprezed at 1st but they work well and will follow an HT or mobile in to the noise that outhers even with a pre-amp would not. The offer is open. I would love to give you a tour. Have a great day! Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive
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In my opinion, the reason someone might change from Motorola to Kenwood is price ... and perhaps attitude. Neil - WA6KLA russ wrote: I do not think so on the cars. I think you need to think about Motorola in the early years. Maggiore was the same in the early years. If it was build after Paul statrted building them and since 1997 or so they did a 100% turn around. Ever wonder why the State police in GA stoped useing Motorola and went to Kenwood systems? Any way you are beatting a dead horse. Any way like you said if the user likes it it is fine. But like one guy said on the list today. He has used evey thing and they all have there place. Please go look up the Part 90. It thourgh me for a loop. Part 95 GMRS I guess It did not but the Part 90 did. I see so much of it out there. Any way. Have a great day and a good night. 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR I'll have to check that about part 90!! Regarding the Maggiore, if the user is happy then I guess that is all that matters. There are many that have had bad experiences with that equipment. This reminds me of a article in the newspaper the other day. They did an article on the Yugo brand of cars, discussing how so many people dislike them but a certain few are very loyal and happy. Maybe the Maggiore Yugos have a lot in common. If it were me type acceptance was a problem, I would use the Micor or Mastr II as the receiver the Maggiore as the transmitter. russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE FCC! They came off the list a few years back. Go read for your self. Still a pile of the out there that have not been replaced but that does not back it right. Just a fact. 73 Russ. On the side there are about 40 very happy Maggiore users on the list? Most just do not want to get in a back and forth. Again came out and see a good system well installed. 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]]] ... snip ... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
Put a diode in series, .7 volts drop,remember? - Original Message - From: Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR The voltage at the tap point is about 7 volts, when keyed it drops to about .5 volts, just not enough to get it to key the controller. I looked for other sources in the radio, nothing would drop to zero volts. Mathew - Original Message - From: Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR At 06:10 AM 3/30/2004 -0800, you wrote: The receiver that is on the 440 machine is a Uniden radio, for which we pulled the de-emphasized audio from. Then we used a COR, which actually is nothing more than a voltage drop. ---Well Mathew. It doesn't sound like you need a new receiver. That would be like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, no? It sounds like all you need to do is to get a decent COS signal from the Uniden you're using. That shouldn't be a huge deal. What are the levels you're seeing from the current tap point? It shouldn't take more than a couple of resistors and a transistor to get a clean source. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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At 08:15 PM 3/30/2004 -0500, you wrote: Put a diode in series, .7 volts drop,remember? ---If in series yes. But since that diode would be in series with (more than likely) a bipolar transistor C-E junction with its emitter to ground, that would add another .6 volts to the equation. Therefore he'd be looking at a total of 1.2 volts ABOVE ground and it would simply make the problem worse. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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The problem was not price. In fact the Kenwood Systems stuff was more money. When Motorola closed it's service (Factory) state wide service of there units went away. 2nd was the fact that the new Motorola stuff was not as good as the older Micros. Ever since mother M stopped building radio's in the US they went down the tubes. They (the State)compared Johnson, (there number 2 Joyce) Motorola, Midland, MA Com. For state wide support and less break downs then any of the above. It was Kenwood systems. in fact in the last year the break down rate is less the 1% with Kenwood Systems. I have a copy of the full report form the state if you would like a copy. Neat reading. The state of PA went with MA/Com for there state wide system for many of the same reasons. Add one thing Kenwood systems was two Million higher then MA/Com. This seems to be going on all over. There was a time when Motorola was king. But in the pass few year they have lost more contracts then they ever have. So that is the answer to the why question. Very best. Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR In my opinion, the reason someone might change from Motorola to Kenwood is price ... and perhaps attitude. Neil - WA6KLA russ wrote: I do not think so on the cars. I think you need to think about Motorola in the early years. Maggiore was the same in the early years. If it was build after Paul statrted building them and since 1997 or so they did a 100% turn around. Ever wonder why the State police in GA stoped useing Motorola and went to Kenwood systems? Any way you are beatting a dead horse. Any way like you said if the user likes it it is fine. But like one guy said on the list today. He has used evey thing and they all have there place. Please go look up the Part 90. It thourgh me for a loop. Part 95 GMRS I guess It did not but the Part 90 did. I see so much of it out there. Any way. Have a great day and a good night. 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR I'll have to check that about part 90!! Regarding the Maggiore, if the user is happy then I guess that is all that matters. There are many that have had bad experiences with that equipment. This reminds me of a article in the newspaper the other day. They did an article on the Yugo brand of cars, discussing how so many people dislike them but a certain few are very loyal and happy. Maybe the Maggiore Yugos have a lot in common. If it were me type acceptance was a problem, I would use the Micor or Mastr II as the receiver the Maggiore as the transmitter. russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE FCC! They came off the list a few years back. Go read for your self. Still a pile of the out there that have not been replaced but that does not back it right. Just a fact. 73 Russ. On the side there are about 40 very happy Maggiore users on the list? Most just do not want to get in a back and forth. Again came out and see a good system well installed. 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]]] ... snip ... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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brent wrote: AGREED PRICE !!! save money = more radio(s) to me as long as they work to my needs they are all great ! ! Tennessee H.P went to Kenwood also..had a great package deal. - Original Message - From: Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR In my opinion, the reason someone might change from Motorola to Kenwood is price ... and perhaps attitude. Neil - WA6KLA Actually, Kenwood commercial equipment from the last 10-15 years is on a par with any other conventional (non-trunked) equipment out there. I'd put a Kenwood up against an _equivalent_ Motorola any day. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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This is very true! If you like LTR they are ok. They just came out with an APCO system and I under stand they will have 38 new models this year. I saw a demo at a show it did not look bad but they will have to be out for a while. I have a Kenwood TK-8150 in my SUV it has LTR (work) HAm and GMRS all in the same radio. Neat radio with a remote (small) control head. Of corse I have a Kenwood 742 tri band ham rig and a Icom-706 mark two G. I have a Maxtrac for 927 ham that is getting replaced with a Spectra soon I hope. The bottom line is the new Kenwood Systems stuff is real good. BTW it is not cheap. You get what you pay for. smile Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR brent wrote: AGREED PRICE !!! save money = more radio(s) to me as long as they work to my needs they are all great ! ! Tennessee H.P went to Kenwood also..had a great package deal. - Original Message - From: Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR In my opinion, the reason someone might change from Motorola to Kenwood is price ... and perhaps attitude. Neil - WA6KLA Actually, Kenwood commercial equipment from the last 10-15 years is on a par with any other conventional (non-trunked) equipment out there. I'd put a Kenwood up against an _equivalent_ Motorola any day. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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There are still a ton of MASTR II repeaters out there in 'part 90 land'. The FCC now demands that you replace them even though the rules have not changed??? (they still meet current specs). I also have to admit that I never knew there was a 'list' of acceptable equipment. I thought there were specs they had to meet, and type acceptance to ensure that they met those specs, but I never saw a list of acceptable equipment (except for CAP, but that's not Part 90...). Can you post a link to this list? (the FCC one) Joe M. russ wrote: THE FCC! They came off the list a few years back. Go read for your self. Still a pile of the out there that have not been replaced but that does not back it right. Just a fact. 73 Russ. On the side there are about 40 very happy Maggiore users on the list? Most just do not want to get in a back and forth. Again came out and see a good system well installed. 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]]] Mastr II and Micor not ok to use in part 90?!?!?!?!? Says who? russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee I was work at ATC when the memo came down to remove all Master 2 RCA and Micores if they where not type accepted for the service they had listed on the paper work. I did not know untill that time that they where not ok to use for part 95 GMRS or part 90 Business. Yes you find a bad Maggiore every once in a while. The old one where bad. I have not seen any of the new ones bad. I am sure there out there. Just like the stuff you are talking about has there share of bad ones. We could go back and forth and you just takes up time. Lots of time. Hey I am an old tube man my self. I alway thought a tube was cleaner. I till beleve that but yet we build new TV stuff that is very high power and not tube. I started my 1st job at a 500 watt day time only omni with a Gates transmitter. BUT! You know they (and I) have come a long way. You realy have to look a round. As I have stated time and time again the early Maggiore stuff was crap. I had one of the 1st ones that Frank build and it was junk. I replaced it with a Micore that ran well for years. It died one winter night and I bought one of the new ones from Maggioe as a temp replacement. I sold the Micore and started replacing all the rest of my old stuff with Maggiore and never looked back. As I said come on out pick a site. I will let you go see a Maggiore in HIGH Rf areas or in the sticks. I get suppy any test equment you mite need ot bring your own. I was suprezed at 1st but they work well and will follow an HT or mobile in to the noise that outhers even with a pre-amp would not. The offer is open. I would love to give you a tour. Have a great day! Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
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Russ, you need to get hold of a spell checker. :-) (or not have it automatically 'fix' all the things it thinks is wrong.) Joe M. russ wrote: The problem was not price. In fact the Kenwood Systems stuff was more money. When Motorola closed it's service (Factory) state wide service of there units went away. 2nd was the fact that the new Motorola stuff was not as good as the older Micros. Ever since mother M stopped building radio's in the US they went down the tubes. They (the State)compared Johnson, (there number 2 Joyce) Motorola, Midland, MA Com. For state wide support and less break downs then any of the above. It was Kenwood systems. in fact in the last year the break down rate is less the 1% with Kenwood Systems. I have a copy of the full report form the state if you would like a copy. Neat reading. The state of PA went with MA/Com for there state wide system for many of the same reasons. Add one thing Kenwood systems was two Million higher then MA/Com. This seems to be going on all over. There was a time when Motorola was king. But in the pass few year they have lost more contracts then they ever have. So that is the answer to the why question. Very best. Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR In my opinion, the reason someone might change from Motorola to Kenwood is price ... and perhaps attitude. Neil - WA6KLA russ wrote: I do not think so on the cars. I think you need to think about Motorola in the early years. Maggiore was the same in the early years. If it was build after Paul statrted building them and since 1997 or so they did a 100% turn around. Ever wonder why the State police in GA stoped useing Motorola and went to Kenwood systems? Any way you are beatting a dead horse. Any way like you said if the user likes it it is fine. But like one guy said on the list today. He has used evey thing and they all have there place. Please go look up the Part 90. It thourgh me for a loop. Part 95 GMRS I guess It did not but the Part 90 did. I see so much of it out there. Any way. Have a great day and a good night. 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR I'll have to check that about part 90!! Regarding the Maggiore, if the user is happy then I guess that is all that matters. There are many that have had bad experiences with that equipment. This reminds me of a article in the newspaper the other day. They did an article on the Yugo brand of cars, discussing how so many people dislike them but a certain few are very loyal and happy. Maybe the Maggiore Yugos have a lot in common. If it were me type acceptance was a problem, I would use the Micor or Mastr II as the receiver the Maggiore as the transmitter. russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE FCC! They came off the list a few years back. Go read for your self. Still a pile of the out there that have not been replaced but that does not back it right. Just a fact. 73 Russ. On the side there are about 40 very happy Maggiore users on the list? Most just do not want to get in a back and forth. Again came out and see a good system well installed. 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]]] ... snip ... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Well the fool has lots of paper to back him up! BSEE. GROL. (use to be a 1st class) Plus many more. So i'm a fool? When are you coming out to prove me a fool? Please jump on the next bat and prove me a fool. BTW I have build some of the largest DTV and HDTV systems around. I am not a name caller or a fool. So when are you going to take the (your words not any one else's words) to prove me wrong? Name calling is not the way to go. Please come and show us all just how smart you are. I am all way willing to learn. If you can't do more then call names as you have then so be it. But as far as Maggiore (new stuff) you have no Idea. So please lets help people with good info not half bad info! Or name calling! 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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IBOC FM I guess there is a 3rd fool in here LOL JOHN MACKEY wrote: Russ - Please RE-READ my statement. (I never called you a fool or anything else other than "Russ") I said "Russ AND a well know fool on this group". However, if you choose to include yourself as the second party, I can't stop you. BTW - I don't have to prove you a fool, your statements and actions will prove or dis-prove that! John Mackey, KS0F, GROL, MS, builder of a IBOC-FM station, builder of one of the very first VOIP repeater linked systems across country in 1998. (Gee, my claims are nearly as long as yours, Russ!!) "russ" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the fool has lots of paper to back him up! BSEE. GROL. (use to be a 1st class) Plus many more. So i'm a fool? When are you coming out to prove me a fool? Please jump on the next bat and prove me a fool. BTW I have build some of the largest DTV and HDTV systems around. I am not a name caller or a fool. So when are you going to take the (your words not any one else's words) to prove me wrong? Name calling is not the way to go. Please come and show us all just how smart you are. I am all way willing to learn. If you can't do more then call names as you have then so be it. But as far as Maggiore (new stuff) you have no Idea. So please lets help people with good info not half bad info! Or name calling! 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: "JOHN MACKEY" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. "Jim B." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother "M" keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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I never claimed IBOC was a good idea!! Neal Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IBOC FM I guess there is a 3rd fool in hereLOL JOHN MACKEY wrote: Russ - Please RE-READ my statement. (I never called you a fool or anything else other than Russ) I said Russ AND a well know fool on this group. However, if you choose to include yourself as the second party, I can't stop you. BTW - I don't have to prove you a fool, your statements and actions will prove or dis-prove that! John Mackey, KS0F, GROL, MS, builder of a IBOC-FM station, builder of one of the very first VOIP repeater linked systems across country in 1998. (Gee, my claims are nearly as long as yours, Russ!!) russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the fool has lots of paper to back him up! BSEE. GROL. (use to be a 1st class) Plus many more. So i'm a fool? When are you coming out to prove me a fool? Please jump on the next bat and prove me a fool. BTW I have build some of the largest DTV and HDTV systems around. I am not a name caller or a fool. So when are you going to take the (your words not any one else's words) to prove me wrong? Name calling is not the way to go. Please come and show us all just how smart you are. I am all way willing to learn. If you can't do more then call names as you have then so be it. But as far as Maggiore (new stuff) you have no Idea. So please lets help people with good info not half bad info! Or name calling! 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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No the fool is the person in your company who said lets put IBOC on the station then wrote the Check. 1 year later royality check.. another year goes by another royality check... ect ect. JOHN MACKEY wrote: I never claimed IBOC was a "good" idea!! Neal Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IBOC FM I guess there is a 3rd fool in hereLOL JOHN MACKEY wrote: Russ - Please RE-READ my statement. (I never called you a fool or anything else other than "Russ") I said "Russ AND a well know fool on this group". However, if you choose to include yourself as the second party, I can't stop you. BTW - I don't have to prove you a fool, your statements and actions will prove or dis-prove that! John Mackey, KS0F, GROL, MS, builder of a IBOC-FM station, builder of one of the very first VOIP repeater linked systems across country in 1998. (Gee, my claims are nearly as long as yours, Russ!!) "russ" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the fool has lots of paper to back him up! BSEE. GROL. (use to be a 1st class) Plus many more. So i'm a fool? When are you coming out to prove me a fool? Please jump on the next bat and prove me a fool. BTW I have build some of the largest DTV and HDTV systems around. I am not a name caller or a fool. So when are you going to take the (your words not any one else's words) to prove me wrong? Name calling is not the way to go. Please come and show us all just how smart you are. I am all way willing to learn. If you can't do more then call names as you have then so be it. But as far as Maggiore (new stuff) you have no Idea. So please lets help people with good info not half bad info! Or name calling! 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: "JOHN MACKEY" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. "Jim B." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother "M" keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I worked on about 20 or so magiore repeaters for friends before they knew any better, new and old designs over the years and here is what i found. Very cheap low specs components used not very well design equipment, the squelch on the receiver sucked sometimes it would open up and there was no audio, there's practically no front end on the receivers. The transmitters were very wide spur all over and noisy, not very stable would move up to 5kc sometimes. Look like they were built in somebody's garage, very touchy to align. This is just My opinion on their equipment i don,t have nothing against them i just serviced some of their equipment over the years for hams... must be because i grew up working with Bat Wings and GE equipment. russ wrote: is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. Russ ask them yourself their their shop is close to you, they do the testing of their transmitters/receivers on Your repeaters, align your duplexers and you don't know why they are clean, they never were clean and never will , Not with that design. Fred VeOriginal Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. Ask them yourself Russ he is your pal you leave close to them and he does the testing of his transmiters/receivers on your repeaters, the cat will come out of the hat one of these day,s here. Fred THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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hmmm, I don't know about that... When a grant comes down to pay 70 percent of the costs you can use it to buy a NEW SOLID STATE transmitter to replace a 23 year old tube transmitter, it begins to make sense. (Not to mention a few other benefits) Neal Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No the fool is the person in your company who said lets put IBOC on the station then wrote the Check. 1 year later royality check.. another year goes by another royality check... ect ect. JOHN MACKEY wrote: I never claimed IBOC was a good idea!! Neal Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IBOC FM I guess there is a 3rd fool in hereLOL JOHN MACKEY wrote: Russ - Please RE-READ my statement. (I never called you a fool or anything else other than Russ) I said Russ AND a well know fool on this group. However, if you choose to include yourself as the second party, I can't stop you. BTW - I don't have to prove you a fool, your statements and actions will prove or dis-prove that! John Mackey, KS0F, GROL, MS, builder of a IBOC-FM station, builder of one of the very first VOIP repeater linked systems across country in 1998. (Gee, my claims are nearly as long as yours, Russ!!) russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well the fool has lots of paper to back him up! BSEE. GROL. (use to be a 1st class) Plus many more. So i'm a fool? When are you coming out to prove me a fool? Please jump on the next bat and prove me a fool. BTW I have build some of the largest DTV and HDTV systems around. I am not a name caller or a fool. So when are you going to take the (your words not any one else's words) to prove me wrong? Name calling is not the way to go. Please come and show us all just how smart you are. I am all way willing to learn. If you can't do more then call names as you have then so be it. But as far as Maggiore (new stuff) you have no Idea. So please lets help people with good info not half bad info! Or name calling! 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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To Neal NewmanI think [EMAIL PROTECTED] is referring to me as the fool. Obviously he has no idea who I am nor my past contributions to scientific and television research. Having noted past demeaning comments to some from this individual, I wish he would keep his negative comments to himself .If he continues to degrade people it will deteriorate the purpose of this fine group. Neal pass along my best to your wife, hope she is now feeling well. Carol is doing fine after her surgery. Russ W3CH sometime we have to meet over coffee. Regards to all, Gary Katona K2UQ Trenton, NJ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
Hi Ken, well it would be hard for me to make an offer, let me tell you what I am attempting to do. I have two repeaters, one on 440 and one on 2 meters, and am using an RLC2 controller. I want to be able to remove the controller from the 440 machine, which is a phone patch deal and tie it into the RLC2 controller. The receiver that is on the 440 machine is a Uniden radio, for which we pulled the de-emphasized audio from. Then we used a COR, which actually is nothing more than a voltage drop. For what ever reason, this voltage does not drop enough to key the transmitter in the RLC controllers, at which time I attempted the switch was using and RLC4. At this time I do not want to use a PL deck on it, which would take care of the core problem, but then limits the open repeater. Other bad part of this is, I have not worked with electronics, or done any service work for about 15 yrs, as I took a career change to the medical field. So most of what I had learned, due to that CRS thing that comes with age, is gone. I really don't want to put a bunch of money into this machine, as I have already spent over $2000.00 putting together the 2 meter repeater, for which I most likely won't use a whole lot. You might say it's a donation to the county to have thier first 2 meter repeater. So how easy would this be to hook up and make run with this controller, and what kind of price range would we be looking at. Thanks. Mathew - Original Message - From: Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR At 03:45 PM 3/28/2004 -0800, you wrote: Just something with good sensitivity and the cor. It's really a low key repeater. --I have a Spectra Tac receiver (that's a receiver from a Micor), mid-split with channel element and squelch gate card. It's in a rack mount and all you need do is supply it 9.6 and 13.8 volts. It doesn't have an audio/squelch board but with the squelch gate card, you don't need that anyway. Make offer :-) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]]
Gee I was work at ATC when the memo came down to remove all Master 2 RCA and Micores if they where not type accepted for the service they had listed on the paper work. I did not know untill that time that they where not ok to use for part 95 GMRS or part 90 Business. Yes you find a bad Maggiore every once in a while. The old one where bad. I have not seen any of the new ones bad. I am sure there out there. Just like the stuff you are talking about has there share of bad ones. We could go back and forth and you just takes up time. Lots of time. Hey I am an old tube man my self. I alway thought a tube was cleaner. I till beleve that but yet we build new TV stuff that is very high power and not tube. I started my 1st job at a 500 watt day time only omni with a Gates transmitter. BUT! You know they (and I) have come a long way. You realy have to look a round. As I have stated time and time again the early Maggiore stuff was crap. I had one of the 1st ones that Frank build and it was junk. I replaced it with a Micore that ran well for years. It died one winter night and I bought one of the new ones from Maggioe as a temp replacement. I sold the Micore and started replacing all the rest of my old stuff with Maggiore and never looked back. As I said come on out pick a site. I will let you go see a Maggiore in HIGH Rf areas or in the sticks. I get suppy any test equment you mite need ot bring your own. I was suprezed at 1st but they work well and will follow an HT or mobile in to the noise that outhers even with a pre-amp would not. The offer is open. I would love to give you a tour. Have a great day! Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]]
Come on out and see 18 that work fine. Well installed and work great. 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] I worked on about 20 or so magiore repeaters for friends before they knew any better, new and old designs over the years and here is what i found. Very cheap low specs components used not very well design equipment, the squelch on the receiver sucked sometimes it would open up and there was no audio, there's practically no front end on the receivers. The transmitters were very wide spur all over and noisy, not very stable would move up to 5kc sometimes. Look like they were built in somebody's garage, very touchy to align. This is just My opinion on their equipment i don,t have nothing against them i just serviced some of their equipment over the years for hams... must be because i grew up working with Bat Wings and GE equipment. russ wrote: is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. Russ ask them yourself their their shop is close to you, they do the testing of their transmitters/receivers on Your repeaters, align your duplexers and you don't know why they are clean, they never were clean and never will , Not with that design. Fred VeOriginal Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. Ask them yourself Russ he is your pal you leave close to them and he does the testing of his transmiters/receivers on your repeaters, the cat will come out of the hat one of these day,s here. Fred THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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THE FCC! They came off the list a few years back. Go read for your self. Still a pile of the out there that have not been replaced but that does not back it right. Just a fact. 73 Russ. On the side there are about 40 very happy Maggiore users on the list? Most just do not want to get in a back and forth. Again came out and see a good system well installed. 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]]] Mastr II and Micor not ok to use in part 90?!?!?!?!? Says who? russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee I was work at ATC when the memo came down to remove all Master 2 RCA and Micores if they where not type accepted for the service they had listed on the paper work. I did not know untill that time that they where not ok to use for part 95 GMRS or part 90 Business. Yes you find a bad Maggiore every once in a while. The old one where bad. I have not seen any of the new ones bad. I am sure there out there. Just like the stuff you are talking about has there share of bad ones. We could go back and forth and you just takes up time. Lots of time. Hey I am an old tube man my self. I alway thought a tube was cleaner. I till beleve that but yet we build new TV stuff that is very high power and not tube. I started my 1st job at a 500 watt day time only omni with a Gates transmitter. BUT! You know they (and I) have come a long way. You realy have to look a round. As I have stated time and time again the early Maggiore stuff was crap. I had one of the 1st ones that Frank build and it was junk. I replaced it with a Micore that ran well for years. It died one winter night and I bought one of the new ones from Maggioe as a temp replacement. I sold the Micore and started replacing all the rest of my old stuff with Maggiore and never looked back. As I said come on out pick a site. I will let you go see a Maggiore in HIGH Rf areas or in the sticks. I get suppy any test equment you mite need ot bring your own. I was suprezed at 1st but they work well and will follow an HT or mobile in to the noise that outhers even with a pre-amp would not. The offer is open. I would love to give you a tour. Have a great day! Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Mastr II and Micor not ok to use in part 90?!?!?!?!? Says who? russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee I was work at ATC when the memo came down to remove all Master 2 RCA and Micores if they where not type accepted for the service they had listed on the paper work. I did not know untill that time that they where not ok to use for part 95 GMRS or part 90 Business. Yes you find a bad Maggiore every once in a while. The old one where bad. I have not seen any of the new ones bad. I am sure there out there. Just like the stuff you are talking about has there share of bad ones. We could go back and forth and you just takes up time. Lots of time. Hey I am an old tube man my self. I alway thought a tube was cleaner. I till beleve that but yet we build new TV stuff that is very high power and not tube. I started my 1st job at a 500 watt day time only omni with a Gates transmitter. BUT! You know they (and I) have come a long way. You realy have to look a round. As I have stated time and time again the early Maggiore stuff was crap. I had one of the 1st ones that Frank build and it was junk. I replaced it with a Micore that ran well for years. It died one winter night and I bought one of the new ones from Maggioe as a temp replacement. I sold the Micore and started replacing all the rest of my old stuff with Maggiore and never looked back. As I said come on out pick a site. I will let you go see a Maggiore in HIGH Rf areas or in the sticks. I get suppy any test equment you mite need ot bring your own. I was suprezed at 1st but they work well and will follow an HT or mobile in to the noise that outhers even with a pre-amp would not. The offer is open. I would love to give you a tour. Have a great day! Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
At 06:10 AM 3/30/2004 -0800, you wrote: The receiver that is on the 440 machine is a Uniden radio, for which we pulled the de-emphasized audio from. Then we used a COR, which actually is nothing more than a voltage drop. ---Well Mathew. It doesn't sound like you need a new receiver. That would be like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, no? It sounds like all you need to do is to get a decent COS signal from the Uniden you're using. That shouldn't be a huge deal. What are the levels you're seeing from the current tap point? It shouldn't take more than a couple of resistors and a transistor to get a clean source. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
If what you are trying to get is a stronger signal from a weaker one, use an open npn collector as the switch - in order for it to trigger with reliability you do need for the signal to go above 3 and below 2 volts for this to occur - it takes the strain off the radio electronics and you can also add a LED to help troubleshooting in the future again without loading the radio set. Search at the repeater builder web site for ideas on enhancing the basic idea, there is loads of good info there. Mathew Quaife wrote: Snip -- Then we used a COR, which actually is nothing more than a voltage drop. For what ever reason, this voltage does not drop enough to key the transmitter in the RLC controllers, at which time I attempted the switch was using and RLC4. At this time I do not want to use a PL deck on it, which would take care of the core problem, but then limits the open repeater. Other bad part of this is, I have not worked with electronics, or done any service work for about 15 yrs, as I took a career change to the medical field. So most of what I had learned, due to that CRS thing that comes with age, is gone. -- 73...Clark Beckman N8PZD Pursuant to U.S. Code, title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, ß227, Any and all nonsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee of $500.00 U.S.. E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
The voltage at the tap point is about 7 volts, when keyed it drops to about .5 volts, just not enough to get it to key the controller. I looked for other sources in the radio, nothing would drop to zero volts. Mathew - Original Message - From: Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR At 06:10 AM 3/30/2004 -0800, you wrote: The receiver that is on the 440 machine is a Uniden radio, for which we pulled the de-emphasized audio from. Then we used a COR, which actually is nothing more than a voltage drop. ---Well Mathew. It doesn't sound like you need a new receiver. That would be like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, no? It sounds like all you need to do is to get a decent COS signal from the Uniden you're using. That shouldn't be a huge deal. What are the levels you're seeing from the current tap point? It shouldn't take more than a couple of resistors and a transistor to get a clean source. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
At 09:07 AM 3/30/2004 -0800, you wrote: The voltage at the tap point is about 7 volts, when keyed it drops to about .5 volts, just not enough to get it to key the controller. I looked for other sources in the radio, nothing would drop to zero volts. ---I'm surprised your controller doesn't recognize .5 volts as a logic low. Actually the chances of finding a point in the receiver that drops to exactly zero is pretty slim, as a bipolar transistor which is full saturated, will still have a .6 volt drop across it. What you could try is a pull down resistor (from the COS wire connected to the controller to ground) and see if you can pull the low level down enough for the controller to recognize. You might start with a 10K and work your way down. Of course if the squelch in the radio stops working, you've probably gone too low a value :-) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi Ken, that is what I would have thought as well. When the squelch is closed, it has about 7 volts on the point, when the squelch is open, it goes low to about .5 volts. The radio that I am using is a Uniden AMU 080K radio. I will have to work with it again this weekend when the RLC2 gets here. So let me see if what you are saying is take the point that I have, which I know works on my CSI Phone patch, connect (start) with a 10K resistor, the part I am lost at is the ground. When you say a pull down resistor, is this any different than a standard 1/2 watt resistor? I appreciate the input here, glad that someone is willing to help. Mathew - Original Message - From: Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR At 09:07 AM 3/30/2004 -0800, you wrote: The voltage at the tap point is about 7 volts, when keyed it drops to about .5 volts, just not enough to get it to key the controller. I looked for other sources in the radio, nothing would drop to zero volts. ---I'm surprised your controller doesn't recognize .5 volts as a logic low. Actually the chances of finding a point in the receiver that drops to exactly zero is pretty slim, as a bipolar transistor which is full saturated, will still have a .6 volt drop across it. What you could try is a pull down resistor (from the COS wire connected to the controller to ground) and see if you can pull the low level down enough for the controller to recognize. You might start with a 10K and work your way down. Of course if the squelch in the radio stops working, you've probably gone too low a value :-) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I'll have to check that about part 90!! Regarding the Maggiore, if the user is happy then I guess that is all that matters. There are many that have had bad experiences with that equipment. This reminds me of a article in the newspaper the other day. They did an article on the Yugo brand of cars, discussing how so many people dislike them but a certain few are very loyal and happy. Maybe the Maggiore Yugos have a lot in common. If it were me type acceptance was a problem, I would use the Micor or Mastr II as the receiver the Maggiore as the transmitter. russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THE FCC! They came off the list a few years back. Go read for your self. Still a pile of the out there that have not been replaced but that does not back it right. Just a fact. 73 Russ. On the side there are about 40 very happy Maggiore users on the list? Most just do not want to get in a back and forth. Again came out and see a good system well installed. 73 Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]]] Mastr II and Micor not ok to use in part 90?!?!?!?!? Says who? russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee I was work at ATC when the memo came down to remove all Master 2 RCA and Micores if they where not type accepted for the service they had listed on the paper work. I did not know untill that time that they where not ok to use for part 95 GMRS or part 90 Business. Yes you find a bad Maggiore every once in a while. The old one where bad. I have not seen any of the new ones bad. I am sure there out there. Just like the stuff you are talking about has there share of bad ones. We could go back and forth and you just takes up time. Lots of time. Hey I am an old tube man my self. I alway thought a tube was cleaner. I till beleve that but yet we build new TV stuff that is very high power and not tube. I started my 1st job at a 500 watt day time only omni with a Gates transmitter. BUT! You know they (and I) have come a long way. You realy have to look a round. As I have stated time and time again the early Maggiore stuff was crap. I had one of the 1st ones that Frank build and it was junk. I replaced it with a Micore that ran well for years. It died one winter night and I bought one of the new ones from Maggioe as a temp replacement. I sold the Micore and started replacing all the rest of my old stuff with Maggiore and never looked back. As I said come on out pick a site. I will let you go see a Maggiore in HIGH Rf areas or in the sticks. I get suppy any test equment you mite need ot bring your own. I was suprezed at 1st but they work well and will follow an HT or mobile in to the noise that outhers even with a pre-amp would not. The offer is open. I would love to give you a tour. Have a great day! Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH - Original Message - From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR]] There are only 2 people who I have ever seen say that Maggoire is good equipment. Russ and a well know fool on this group. Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
The voltage at the tap point is about 7 volts, when keyed it drops to about .5 volts, just not enough to get it to key the controller. I looked for other sources in the radio, nothing would drop to zero volts. Try putting a small silicon diode or two in series with the wire. That should drop you about .6 volts each or so and take you more to 0. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
which I know works on my CSI Phone patch, connect (start) with a 10K resistor, the part I am lost at is the ground. When you say a pull down resistor, is this any different than a standard 1/2 watt resistor? I appreciate the input here, glad that someone is willing to help. You will see two terms, pull down and pull up resistors. The physical resistor does not mater. Usually any 1/2 or 1/4 watt resistor will do. The value will usually be from about 1000 to 10,000 ohms. The term pull down is a resistor connected from a point in the circuit to the ground or negative voltage. A pull up is usually connected from the collector of a transistor to a positive voltage source. Then you will hear of an open collector output. The collector of the transisitor is not connected to any power in the internal unit but is ran to an output terminal. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
Thanks Russ, will give them a call. Mathew russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try Maggiore Labs in West Chester PA.there phone number is 610-436-6051 they make a top notch reciver. Betterthen some of the older stuff for around the same price.Good luck and 73,Russ, W3CHTrustee W3PSMetro-Comm repeater network.- Original Message - From: "w9mwq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <REPEATER-BUILDER@YAHOOGROUPS.COM>Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:56 PMSubject: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR I am looking for a inexpensive 440 Mhz receiver with a COR output to replace the one that is with my 440 repeater. The receiver will be connected to an RLC2 contoller. Let me know what you have and price. Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
Try Maggiore Labs in West Chester PA. there phone number is 610-436-6051 they make a top notch reciver. Better then some of the older stuff for around the same price. Good luck and 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS Metro-Comm repeater network. - Original Message - From: w9mwq [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR I am looking for a inexpensive 440 Mhz receiver with a COR output to replace the one that is with my 440 repeater. The receiver will be connected to an RLC2 contoller. Let me know what you have and price. Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Am I confused, or haven't we all talked about Maggoire labs equipment before said they are crap? russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try Maggiore Labs in West Chester PA. there phone number is 610-436-6051 they make a top notch reciver. Better then some of the older stuff for around the same price. Good luck and 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS Metro-Comm repeater network. - Original Message - From: w9mwq [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR I am looking for a inexpensive 440 Mhz receiver with a COR output to replace the one that is with my 440 repeater. The receiver will be connected to an RLC2 contoller. Let me know what you have and price. Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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A lot of Maggoire repeater bashing has been mentioned. I must admit Russ, you have good things to say about Maggorie. A super secret 220 Mhz repeater was just installed on the tower I am on and where did they put the antenna? Right next to my 2 meter repeater antenna. Everytime the 220 machine keys up my 2 meter Micor repeater goes deaf. I replaced the Micor with my old 15 year old Maggoire home made repeater and it hears as well as the Micor does plus it don't stop playing when the 220 machine keys up. Move over Russ and let me join you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR] A lot of Maggoire repeater bashing has been mentioned. I must admit Russ, you have good things to say about Maggorie. A super secret 220 Mhz repeater was just installed on the tower I am on and where did they put the antenna? Right next to my 2 meter repeater antenna. Everytime the 220 machine keys up my 2 meter Micor repeater goes deaf. I replaced the Micor with my old 15 year old Maggoire home made repeater and it hears as well as the Micor does plus it don't stop playing when the 220 machine keys up. Move over Russ and let me join you. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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If a Mastr II doesn't sound good, they don't have it set up right. Fred KF4QZN - Original Message - From: russ Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:16 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR] THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT.The way the mother "M" keeps down the desenceis to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I donot know how they do it.I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had aMicore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair andhe loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HESAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of theMaggiore.Very best of 73,Russ, W3CHTrustee W3PS/r- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:08 PMSubject: Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR] A lot of Maggoire repeater bashing has been mentioned. I must admit Russ,you have good things to say about Maggorie. A super secret 220 Mhz repeaterwas just installed on the tower I am on and where did they put the antenna?Right next to my 2 meter repeater antenna. Everytime the 220 machine keys up my2 meter Micor repeater goes deaf. I replaced the Micor with my old 15 yearold Maggoire home made repeater and it hears as well as the Micor does plus itdon't stop playing when the 220 machine keys up. Move over Russ and let me join you. Yahoo! Groups LinksYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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No they are NOT crap! The old ones made out of a Clegg mobiles yes where true Crap. But his new stuff is gold! If you want to see one in a high RF area meet me in Philly. Want to see one hear better then a Micor running 110 watts? Your service monitor or mine. I have them on the air in PA, NJ., Del, NC. I will meet any one any where. These new Maggioe's are great. I sold off Micore and Master II's and replaced the with 18 Maggiore's. Gee we can buy any repeater and did try a pile off them. For what we paided for one Maggiore we could have had 4 or 5 of the Micores. We bought Maggiore for a reson. They work! You do not have to be going to the site. Binghamton I have not seen of 4 years. I would rather talk on them the fix them all the time. Chester PA went for 10 years with out a visit. Till we added two meters. I look at the sites with the Morotola 2800 and they are alway right dead on. I have repaced a few of the old receiver that they made years ago with some of the newer receiver on some voteing receiver and off site receivers they work well. so get your head out of the sand! Radio has come a long since the 70's when the Micore and Master II came out. Lots better stuff out there on the market and I agree there is some crap out there. But in all fairness the new Maggiore stuff is not one of the crap repeaters. Like a said befor I will meet any one at one of my 18 repeater sites and you can bring your monitor I I will bring my 2800 and you can see. I will be in Ocean City NJ this week. Removing 2 GMRS Master II that by the way are not longer type acepted for use on part 95 GMRS or part 90 business radio and installing a 927 repeat in the place of one and a 927 link radio where the outher Master two is. Any way I don't need flames but when some is wrong and takeing pot shots at a good repeater I just must speak up! So no flames un less you want to go to a site and prove me worng. Not not do flame me. I just meant you have no clue of how a new Maggiore works and you don't want to see for your self! It is a wonder you have a computer. Well go back to your black and white TV on rabbit ears and be happy how well it works. I my self will go watch the news in DTV. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee Metro-Comm, INC W3PS/R - Original Message - From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR] Am I confused, or haven't we all talked about Maggoire labs equipment before said they are crap? russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try Maggiore Labs in West Chester PA. there phone number is 610-436-6051 they make a top notch reciver. Better then some of the older stuff for around the same price. Good luck and 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS Metro-Comm repeater network. - Original Message - From: w9mwq [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:56 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR I am looking for a inexpensive 440 Mhz receiver with a COR output to replace the one that is with my 440 repeater. The receiver will be connected to an RLC2 contoller. Let me know what you have and price. Thanks. Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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russ wrote: THE BELOW IS SOMTHING THAT A LOT OF US KNOW AND SOME WILL NOT ADMITT. The way the mother M keeps down the desence is to not have a lot of sencitive but the Maggiore (new) is so clean I do not know how they do it. I have seen what you are talking about at some of our sites. Fell had a Micore and the receiver would shut. We lent him a maggiore on this pair and he loves it and his users love it. He fixed up a Mater Two and that (HE SAID) works better but the users like the sound and the range of the Maggiore. Very best of 73, Russ, W3CH Trustee W3PS/r This guys turning into a bit of a troll. Maggiore's are dirty, unreliable, broad as a barn, and if I saw one at a site I was at, I'd be demanding it be removed. If I was the owner/manager of the site, I'd unplug it and tell whoever put it in to pick it up outa the trash bin, and don't darken my door again. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
What model or type are you looking for? You said inexpensive, would an older Hamtronics unit suit or do you need something like a Micor or Mastr II receiver? Kevin w9mwq wrote: I am looking for a inexpensive 440 Mhz receiver with a COR output to replace the one that is with my 440 repeater. The receiver will be connected to an RLC2 contoller. Let me know what you have and price. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
Just something with good sensitivity and the cor. It's really a low key repeater. Mathew - Original Message - From: Kevin Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR What model or type are you looking for? You said inexpensive, would an older Hamtronics unit suit or do you need something like a Micor or Mastr II receiver? Kevin w9mwq wrote: I am looking for a inexpensive 440 Mhz receiver with a COR output to replace the one that is with my 440 repeater. The receiver will be connected to an RLC2 contoller. Let me know what you have and price. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WTB: 440 Mhz Receiver with COR
At 03:45 PM 3/28/2004 -0800, you wrote: Just something with good sensitivity and the cor. It's really a low key repeater. --I have a Spectra Tac receiver (that's a receiver from a Micor), mid-split with channel element and squelch gate card. It's in a rack mount and all you need do is supply it 9.6 and 13.8 volts. It doesn't have an audio/squelch board but with the squelch gate card, you don't need that anyway. Make offer :-) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
