Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
If the tag is changed according the manufacturers instructions, then yes you can change the FCC type acceptance number. We used to do it all the time and according to the printed instructions from the manufacturer. If you don't believe, sorry but I believe I still have some of the paperwork to back up my statements. You are welcome to visit and read for yourself. 73, Neil McKie Lee Williams wrote: WHOA! Dont get caught changing that tag! Only the FCC can certify type acceptance. Does anybody bother reading the rules or do we just make up our own as we go along??? Very scary...73,Lee - Original Message - From: Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Besides the 2PPM ICOM, the FCC label needs to be changed to the correct FCC type acceptance number. Neil - WA6KLA Robin McCoy wrote: You can use them as long as you install the 2PPM ICOM. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
I use mine on GMRS! Robin -Original Message- From: Johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:23 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Are they being used on the ham bands or on GMRS ??? Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you mean that all these people who use the GE Master II and Motorola Mitreks are building NON-Compliant radio. Yes there not built to be repeaters but wow. If the FCC goes after people who do that then why arent these people being fined. JOHN B Quoting Lee Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Be very careful,mobiles are not type accepted for repeater use in the GMRS or commercial band. Check the rules to avoid a big fat fine,,,see www.fcc.gov --- Original Message - From: Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johnny, I havnt seen anything saying that you cant use 2 radio to make a repeater. I know most radios have about 50 watts output so the power should be turned down a bit to save that radio and help from people in the area complaining. No, most UHF mobiles are 25-35 watts, as are the radios he mentioned, but that is NOT continuous duty rated as is needed for a repeater. For repeater duty, it MUST be turned down or it will burn up. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
Lee - I would be interested in the specific FCC Regs that prohibit a mobile (or base station) to be used as a repeater. I have seen many commercial repeaters made from two mobiles. Andy -- NC Certified Firefighter III / Instructor II / EMT-A FCC Licensed Technician / Amateur Call NC4AB http://www.brinkleyelectronics.com -Original Message- From: Lee Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:23 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Be very careful,mobiles are not type accepted for repeater use in the GMRS or commercial band. Check the rules to avoid a big fat fine,,,see www.fcc.gov Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
Question. Are business band radio's not FCC type accepted in the GRMS band? I was pondering setting up a repeater on GRMS. I had assumed that the Business Band FCC type radios would be accepted on GRMS? Is that not true? Or just that the radio's were configured for Business band but were not stock for GRMS. Kent (KC0PCA) - Original Message - From: Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? The first you need to ask is if they are type excepted for repeater use on the GMRS freqs. I have yet to see any regular moblie radio's, from the factory, that were type accepted for use as a repeater in the gmrs area. Johnny Jim B. wrote: norton yu wrote: Hello all, I am new to the group and am interested in building a repeater for GMRS use. I was told that I will need two identical radios with controller and dupluxer etc,but can someone explain a little more? I have two Kenwood TK-805D mobile radios and are they suitable for this task or what are my options? Any input will be very much appreciated! Barely-the important thing is that, on the one you use for transmit, KEEP THE POWER DOWN to abt 10-12 W And at that you should put a fan on the heatsink. You'd be better off finding something like a Mitrek or Micor or Mastr II turnk-mount mobile, or best, a real station (MSR-2000 is roughly equivalent to a Mitrek mobile), and making a repeater out of it. They are easy to duplex and interface to a tone panel. Also they have much better receivers for high profile sites. Besides, those radios are too nice to tie up on a fixed frequency repeater. I use a 705D and an 805D in the car, and it sure is nice to have the field programmability. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
Actually there aren't any specs that say that. What you have to make sure is that the tolerance specs from the transceivers used meet or exceed the specifications required under repeater service. Real repeaters usually have much tighter freq. drift error specs.. Gregg R. Lengling, W9DHI, Retired Administrator http://www.milwaukeehdtv.org K2/100 S#3075 KX1 S# 57 Politics is the art of appearing candid and completely open, while concealing as much as possible. -States: The Bene Gesserit View -Original Message- From: Andy Brinkley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:27 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Lee - I would be interested in the specific FCC Regs that prohibit a mobile (or base station) to be used as a repeater. I have seen many commercial repeaters made from two mobiles. Andy -- NC Certified Firefighter III / Instructor II / EMT-A FCC Licensed Technician / Amateur Call NC4AB http://www.brinkleyelectronics.com -Original Message- From: Lee Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 5:23 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Be very careful,mobiles are not type accepted for repeater use in the GMRS or commercial band. Check the rules to avoid a big fat fine,,,see www.fcc.gov Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
As long as its TYPE ACCEPTED for the intended purpose. Anyone with an FCC license should already know this,if not,look it up. END THREAD. - Original Message - From: Andy Brinkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:27 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Lee - I would be interested in the specific FCC Regs that prohibit a mobile (or base station) to be used as a repeater. I have seen many commercial repeaters made from two mobiles. Andy -- NC Certified Firefighter III / Instructor II / EMT-A FCC Licensed Technician / Amateur Call NC4AB http://www.brinkleyelectronics.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
WHOA! Dont get caught changing that tag! Only the FCC can certify type acceptance. Does anybody bother reading the rules or do we just make up our own as we go along??? Very scary...73,Lee - Original Message - From: Neil McKie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Besides the 2PPM ICOM, the FCC label needs to be changed to the correct FCC type acceptance number. Neil - WA6KLA Robin McCoy wrote: You can use them as long as you install the 2PPM ICOM. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
So you mean that all these people who use the GE Master II and Motorola Mitreks are building NON-Compliant radio. Yes there not built to be repeaters but wow. If the FCC goes after people who do that then why arent these people being fined. JOHN B Quoting Lee Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Be very careful,mobiles are not type accepted for repeater use in the GMRS or commercial band. Check the rules to avoid a big fat fine,,,see www.fcc.gov --- Original Message - From: Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johnny, I havnt seen anything saying that you cant use 2 radio to make a repeater. I know most radios have about 50 watts output so the power should be turned down a bit to save that radio and help from people in the area complaining. No, most UHF mobiles are 25-35 watts, as are the radios he mentioned, but that is NOT continuous duty rated as is needed for a repeater. For repeater duty, it MUST be turned down or it will burn up. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
While you are on the subject. Make sure it is FCC type accepted for part 95 this also covers GMRS. Part 90 is business. We has some very nice people at one of our tower sites using a nice repeater that was not type accepted for part 95 that was on GMRS. We require that a copy of the FCC license be on every box. The FCC was at the site on a totally unrelated problem and noted the GMRS ticket on the box. A quick call back to his office to confirm. Well the bottom line is the system is off the air and we lost the guys cutting the grass in trade for some tower space. Good luck on your GMRS repeater. But put up a real repeater 73 Russ - Original Message - From: Lee Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: repeater-builder repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:16 AM Subject: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Yes,..they are being fined. Case in point where one mobile kludged GMRS repeater shut down an entire airport and two police repeaters because it had overheated,drifted off frequency and was putting spurs all over the spectrum. Dont use this junk,put up a real repeater that meets the requirements and avoid the $8000 fine levied on that fool! $8000 will buy a mighty fine repeater system,now wont it??? These are the same idiots that will put commercial frequencies in a ham rig. 8 hams were fined at Hamvention for that blunder. Right tool for the job,I always say. John, how many years have you been building commercial repeaters? 73,Lee,N3APP,147.27443.375 in Erie,PA-Our 26th year! Powered by GE MastrII's IRLP node 4300 EchoLink node 9534 FCC GROL 27 years ARES/RACES/SKYWARN member - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; Lee Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? So you mean that all these people who use the GE Master II and Motorola Mitreks are building NON-Compliant radio. Yes there not built to be repeaters but wow. If the FCC goes after people who do that then why arent these people being fined. JOHN B Quoting Lee Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Be very careful,mobiles are not type accepted for repeater use in the GMRS or commercial band. Check the rules to avoid a big fat fine,,,see www.fcc.gov Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
Yep, there is a difference of legality depending upon the service they are being used in Ron Rogers -WB8ERB- -Original Message- From: Johnny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:23 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? Are they being used on the ham bands or on GMRS ??? Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you mean that all these people who use the GE Master II and Motorola Mitreks are building NON-Compliant radio. Yes there not built to be repeaters but wow. If the FCC goes after people who do that then why arent these people being fined. JOHN B Quoting Lee Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Be very careful,mobiles are not type accepted for repeater use in the GMRS or commercial band. Check the rules to avoid a big fat fine,,,see www.fcc.gov --- Original Message - From: Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johnny, I havnt seen anything saying that you cant use 2 radio to make a repeater. I know most radios have about 50 watts output so the power should be turned down a bit to save that radio and help from people in the area complaining. No, most UHF mobiles are 25-35 watts, as are the radios he mentioned, but that is NOT continuous duty rated as is needed for a repeater. For repeater duty, it MUST be turned down or it will burn up. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
I geuss we couldn't wait till the first day in April for that news? Jim B. wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jim, For repeater duty, it MUST be turned down or it will burn up. And conversely, it mustn't be turned up or it will burn down. 73, Bob oh my...|cP -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL -- 73...Clark Beckman N8PZD Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
norton yu wrote: Hello all, I am new to the group and am interested in building a repeater for GMRS use. I was told that I will need two identical radios with controller and dupluxer etc,but can someone explain a little more? I have two Kenwood TK-805D mobile radios and are they suitable for this task or what are my options? Any input will be very much appreciated! Barely-the important thing is that, on the one you use for transmit, KEEP THE POWER DOWN to abt 10-12 W And at that you should put a fan on the heatsink. You'd be better off finding something like a Mitrek or Micor or Mastr II turnk-mount mobile, or best, a real station (MSR-2000 is roughly equivalent to a Mitrek mobile), and making a repeater out of it. They are easy to duplex and interface to a tone panel. Also they have much better receivers for high profile sites. Besides, those radios are too nice to tie up on a fixed frequency repeater. I use a 705D and an 805D in the car, and it sure is nice to have the field programmability. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
Johnny, I havnt seen anything saying that you cant use 2 radio to make a repeater. I know most radios have about 50 watts output so the power should be turned down a bit to save that radio and help from people in the area complaining. I Do agree you should listen to the area for any other users that use close freqs. I would really check for FRS use with PL tones.I know in my area that 462.550 is not a highly used GMRS freq so I chose that.And the closest freq is 40 miles away and I talked with that owner to make sure we dont have the same PL tones. JOHN B Quoting Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The first you need to ask is if they are type excepted for repeater use on the GMRS freqs. I have yet to see any regular moblie radio's, from the factory, that were type accepted for use as a repeater in the gmrs area. Johnny Jim B. wrote: norton yu wrote: Hello all, I am new to the group and am interested in building a repeater for GMRS use. I was told that I will need two identical radios with controller and dupluxer etc,but can someone explain a little more? I have two Kenwood TK-805D mobile radios and are they suitable for this task or what are my options? Any input will be very much appreciated! Barely-the important thing is that, on the one you use for transmit, KEEP THE POWER DOWN to abt 10-12 W And at that you should put a fan on the heatsink. You'd be better off finding something like a Mitrek or Micor or Mastr II turnk-mount mobile, or best, a real station (MSR-2000 is roughly equivalent to a Mitrek mobile), and making a repeater out of it. They are easy to duplex and interface to a tone panel. Also they have much better receivers for high profile sites. Besides, those radios are too nice to tie up on a fixed frequency repeater. I use a 705D and an 805D in the car, and it sure is nice to have the field programmability. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater for GMRS use-help needed??
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jim, For repeater duty, it MUST be turned down or it will burn up. And conversely, it mustn't be turned up or it will burn down. 73, Bob oh my...|cP -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
