Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
The problem here is that I never had any single problem doing NT workstation restores and Server restores with the Mac version of Retro. But I can't do that with Win2000, although I really hope I'm misreading this. The 'restore data files only' is barely acceptable when ou are talking about a user's computer, but it still a good chunk of a day spent setting the computer back up so that I can do this. However, something like a Citrix metaframe server would be down for the better part of a *week* under this setup. I cannot afford to do that, and not worry for my job. But what *I* need to hear, from Dantz is: A) Is this glaring lack of restore capability on the Mac side going to be fixed at all? B) If so, when? (Sorry, this isn't like waiting for Oni. I cannot afford to walk in to my boss and tell him that we aren't going to have good backups of the Win2k boxes until Dantz 'gets around to' fixing the registry backup agent. Well I could, but it would be part of a proposal detailing how we should junk retrospect altogether.) C) If not, why? john On 10/30/00 3:46 AM, "Matt Barkdull" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have my Win2k box with me today (laptop), so I can't check. I never bother anyway. If it died, I'd reinstall from scratch and just recover the data files from tape. Much more reliable that way. -- "We ain't making no goddamn corn flakes here." Col. Charlie Beckwith, founder of Delta Force -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
At 3:37 PM -0800 29/10/00, Robin Mayoff wrote: The best way to back up a Windows 2000 computer is to use Retrospect for Windows. I think that's an "OOPS". -- Ken G i l l e t t _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
Hi John, So in other words...the only way to do a system restore on a Win2000 machine safely and reliably is from the windows server? Or from the workstation itself. Both Retrospect for Win (5.11 and up) and MS Backup (the one bundled with Win2k) can backup the registry. You may set up the Win2k workstations to backup their own registries (and other System State data, but not the system files) to a file on HD, and schedule them to do it periodically. Those registry backup files can then be backed up by your Mac server. I know it's still a PITA, especially if you have many Win2k stations. I'm just trying to suggest a work-around for the time being. -- Best regards, Ming-Li -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
Hi John, Hey, if it works, I'm not going to argue with it. (although this doesn't absolve Dantz of the responsibility to fix this) So question...how hard is it to restore the registry ? Does it work similarly to the Retrospect system? I'm not sure I understand your question. I assume you're asking about using MS Backup to backup/restore the registry (if it's Retrospect for Win, how can it work differently from "the REtrospect system"?). Well, it's simply either way. With MS Backup (which should be installed by default), you just select "System State" as the source (to be backed up), chose "File" as destination, and de-select the "Automatically backup System Protected Files with the System State" in the Advanced options. This way only registry, COM+ Class registration etc. would be backed up. Then when restoring, you just restore the System State, and the registry would be back. Of course, you should backup the .bkf files MS BAckup creates. -- Best regards, Ming-Li -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
HI, The Registry Backup Manager that is included with the Retrospect Client for Windows (for use with Retrospect for Macintosh) will back up the Windows NT Registry, but it can not back up the Windows 2000 specific state information (Active Directory, Com+, Cert. Services). The RBM can back up the registry, just not the items listed above. The best way to back up a Windows 2000 computer is to use Retrospect for Windows. Robin Mayoff Tech Support Supervisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Eric Ullman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "retro-talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 17:33:03 -0700 To: retro-talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry My understanding is (and some of you Win 2000 folks can correct me if I'm wrong) that the Windows 2000 registry is made up of more data files than the registry in Win NT. Dantz's Registry Backup Manager is not designed to back up the Win 2000 registry hives. Retrospect 5.x _is_ able to back up (and restore) the Win 2000 registry directly...no helper app necessary. Eric Ullman Dantz Development John Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait...hold the phone...you mean that the registry backup tool is useless under Win2K? john On 10/28/00 6:15 PM, "Eric Ullman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Retrospect 4.x is not able to backup the Windows 2000 registry; only Retrospect 5.x for Windows can. The Registry Backup Manager only functions with the Windows NT registry. This is covered in the Retrospect User's Guide, but I agree that we need to address this on our website, as well. We will add this information to the knowledgebase ASAP. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
So in other words...the only way to do a system restore on a Win2000 machine safely and reliably is from the windows server? On 10/29/00 6:37 PM, "Robin Mayoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Registry Backup Manager that is included with the Retrospect Client for Windows (for use with Retrospect for Macintosh) will back up the Windows NT Registry, but it can not back up the Windows 2000 specific state information (Active Directory, Com+, Cert. Services). The RBM can back up the registry, just not the items listed above. The best way to back up a Windows 2000 computer is to use Retrospect for Windows. -- "I think love is a snowmobile racing across the arctic tundra which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come" Matt Groening -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
RE: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
Is it a situation where you can boot using the 'last known good' configuration? If the system in question hasn't been rebooted in a corrupted state, rebooting to 'last known good' can restore registry settings. Regards, Dave Otto -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of andrew kagan Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 10:11 AM To: retro-talk Subject: still looking for feedback on restoring registry Hi All: I posted a request for help yesterday but didn't see any activity from the list at all. Can anyone tell me how to restore the Windows 2000 system registry using a backup on retro 4.2 Mac? -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
nah, only the corrupted version remains. I wonder if anyone has successfully restored an entire disk? I wish Dantz had a technote somewhere on this. :( - Original Message - From: "Dave Otto" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "retro-talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 2:41 PM Subject: RE: still looking for feedback on restoring registry Is it a situation where you can boot using the 'last known good' configuration? If the system in question hasn't been rebooted in a corrupted state, rebooting to 'last known good' can restore registry settings. Regards, Dave Otto -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of andrew kagan Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 10:11 AM To: retro-talk Subject: still looking for feedback on restoring registry Hi All: I posted a request for help yesterday but didn't see any activity from the list at all. Can anyone tell me how to restore the Windows 2000 system registry using a backup on retro 4.2 Mac? -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
andrew kagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All: I posted a request for help yesterday but didn't see any activity from the list at all. Can anyone tell me how to restore the Windows 2000 system registry using a backup on retro 4.2 Mac? Hi Andrew, Retrospect 4.x is not able to backup the Windows 2000 registry; only Retrospect 5.x for Windows can. The Registry Backup Manager only functions with the Windows NT registry. This is covered in the Retrospect User's Guide, but I agree that we need to address this on our website, as well. We will add this information to the knowledgebase ASAP. Below is some information from Microsoft's support site for using tools that ship with Windows 2000 to recover the registry. The entire support page may be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWS2000/library/resources/reskit/samplechapter s/pref/pref_tts_ygqb.asp I don't know that this will help, either, but I sure hope it does. Best regards, Eric Ullman Dantz Development -- USING THE RECOVERY CONSOLE TO RESTORE THE REGISTRY If you know your registry is damaged, or some of your registry files are corrupted or have been deleted, you might be able to use the Recovery Console to restore your registry. However, this procedure can only work if you regularly create an Emergency Repair Disk (ERD) and you choose the option to back up your registry to the repair directory. For more information about backing up the registry when creating the ERD, see "Emergency Repair Process" later in this chapter. When you create an ERD and you choose this option, the current version of your registry files are copied from the %SystemRoot%\System32\Config folder to the %SystemRoot%\Repair\RegBack folder. Since both of these folders are accessible through the Recovery Console, you can use the copy command to restore the files. TO RESTORE THE REGISTRY BY USING THE RECOVERY CONSOLE Warning Only use this procedure if you are certain which registry file needs to be restored, and you are certain that the restoration will not cause other damage to your computer. Restoring registry files improperly can prevent your system from starting and can cause you to lose data. 1. Start the Recovery Console and log on to the Windows 2000 installation containing the registry that you want to restore. 2. To copy the files you want from %SystemRoot%\Repair\RegBack to %SystemRoot%\System32\Config, type: cd repair\regback and: copy file_name drive_letter:\system_root\system32\config where file_name is the registry file you want to restore, drive_letter is the drive letter where your system is installed (for example, C), and system_root is the system installation folder (for example, Winnt). NOTE As a precaution, first rename the existing file in the Config folder that you intend to restore from backup. If a problem arises from the restoration attempt, you can restore the renamed file to return your system to its original condition. To restore your entire registry, you need to copy the files Default, Sam, Security, Software, and System. 1. To exit the Recovery Console, type: exit -- -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
Wait...hold the phone...you mean that the registry backup tool is useless under Win2K? john On 10/28/00 6:15 PM, "Eric Ullman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Retrospect 4.x is not able to backup the Windows 2000 registry; only Retrospect 5.x for Windows can. The Registry Backup Manager only functions with the Windows NT registry. This is covered in the Retrospect User's Guide, but I agree that we need to address this on our website, as well. We will add this information to the knowledgebase ASAP. -- "If you're not gonna pull the trigger, don't point the gun." - James Baker -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
Hi Eric, My understanding is (and some of you Win 2000 folks can correct me if I'm wrong) that the Windows 2000 registry is made up of more data files than the registry in Win NT. That's correct. The list of file making up the registry has been expanded quite a bit. And they're locked up pretty well, so it isn't as easy as it used to be to back them up (if memory serves, I could backup Win95/98/NT4 registry files simply by copying them to another directory, not anymore). -- Best regards, Ming-Li -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
Re: still looking for feedback on restoring registry
Well good. Just absolutely perfect. So, now, to really back up my win2k drives, I have to ditch my very functional Mac retro machine...and go buy a an win2k server. Because with all the betas of win 2k, you guys never bothered to update the registry backup tool. And since I just inherited *2* win2k Citrix servers, and a Domain/AD controller...and you guys didn't send out HUMONGOUS notices that said.."Oh, if you need to back up win2k systems...better ditch the Mac servers." So PLEASE tell me that you have an imminent update of the registry backup tool...because if I'm left with the option of having to take the reaming that switching architectures for our backup system...especially in the middle of rebuilding a *years* worth of daily indices because they went out of synch, and there is no way to repair them...I'm going to start thinking that instead of waiting for a release that will do what I need it to do, or buying a Win2k Backup server so that I can really back up my machines...that legato agent will look really good. I don't mean to sound as harsh as this does...but especially after that song and dance about "Oh, we're a mac company still"...and then to find out that what this translates into *now* is .."as long as you're only backing up macs that is", well, honestly...it sucks. And this also pushes me into not feeling that I can recommend the Mac version of Retrospect anymore, as it is NOT a complete windows/mac backup solution. It's now...for any real corporate purposes...a mac only solution, with Win9x and some NT capability. So now what do I do? Because my formerly nigh-perfect backup system has just gone from priceless to worthless. john c. welch Mac/PC admin MacTech Columnist MacWeek.com Columnist MacFixit.com editor On 10/28/00 8:33 PM, "Eric Ullman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is (and some of you Win 2000 folks can correct me if I'm wrong) that the Windows 2000 registry is made up of more data files than the registry in Win NT. Dantz's Registry Backup Manager is not designed to back up the Win 2000 registry hives. Retrospect 5.x _is_ able to back up (and restore) the Win 2000 registry directly...no helper app necessary. Eric Ullman Dantz Development John Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait...hold the phone...you mean that the registry backup tool is useless under Win2K? john On 10/28/00 6:15 PM, "Eric Ullman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Retrospect 4.x is not able to backup the Windows 2000 registry; only Retrospect 5.x for Windows can. The Registry Backup Manager only functions with the Windows NT registry. This is covered in the Retrospect User's Guide, but I agree that we need to address this on our website, as well. We will add this information to the knowledgebase ASAP. -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050. -- "Sure I am this day we are masters of our fate, that the task which has been set before us is not above our strength; that its pangs and toils are not beyond our endurance. As long as we have faith in our own cause and an unconquerable will to win, victory will not be denied us." - From sign in SEAL training facility (Sir Winston Churchill) -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives:http://list.working-dogs.com/lists/retro-talk/ For urgent issues, please contact Dantz technical support directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 925.253.3050.
