Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[drew Roberts]

Frank,

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:13 PM Frank Christel 
wrote:

> Rob,
>
> snip

>
> The motivating factor behind considering a switch to Rivendell is the
> utter madness induced by Windows 10 updates over which we have little
> control. Our Simians ran fine on XP; were stable running 7; but are now
> falling apart on 10. Factory fixes include obscure registry tweaks on
> individual machines following Windows updates. In the meantime, too much
> dead air and 3 am calls.
>
> Even in the midst of all this insanity, zombie-eyed staff are embracing
> the devil they know rather than the one they don’t.


What is the break down of job categories and how many people are in each?
What is the main area of concern? The jocks in the air studio in front of
rdairplay? The people in the production studio? The people scheduling the
music and traffic? The more technical people in the background keeping the
system humming?

I was involved in a 5 station switch from AudioVAULT to WideOrbit.
Somewhere before the switch I started mucking about with beta Rivendell on
a used machine with no soundcard to run a streaming only station of my own
that played only gratis available music that was under what I considered to
be the Creative Commons libre licenses (BY, and BY-SA)...

We were considering WideOrbit for the new station I am with now but while
we were in the process of securing an FM license, we brought up a streaming
only station as a demo for The Bahamas Junkanoo Carnival and when that took
longer than expected to work out, we decided to do a Bahamian Music only
streaming station until we got that license.

The rest, as they say, is history:

https://bahamianornuttin.com/

We now also build what we call Private Radio Stations for clients.
(Basically as full as needed, Rivendell based radio stations sans the
transmitter.)


> It’s going to be a hard sell to switch automation systems for a third
> time; it took ten years for them to adjust to this one.
>

I said all that above to suggest this:

One option would be to buy as many used laptops or mini machines capable of
running Rivendell as needed to give enough key people their own private
standalone Rivendell learning environments.

Set it up to where they can be managed and updated remotely for
troubleshooting and help / hand holding. I would be willing to help some
with this project if that angle sounds interesting to you.


> Frank
>
> all the best,

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Re: [RDD] Possible Bug - Timed Wait Behaviour

[drew Roberts]

Fred,

welcome back from your fantastic adventure... (much needed break? bout with
the flu? you get the picture...)

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 6:22 PM Fred Gleason 
wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2020, at 19:29, Aaron  wrote:
>
> I reference to a previous post (
> http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/pipermail/rivendell-dev/2020-January/028460.html)
> I am still having issues with a Rivendell installation stopping playout.
>
> I think I have isolated the random stoppages down to timed events where
> there is a wait time but where the log is running late and there is an
> additional event between the late-running event and the scheduled event.
>
>
> Fixed in Git ‘master’ [5eec297].
>
> And, I must say Aaron, this was one of the very best bug reports I’ve ever
> read. The problem was devilishly intricate and difficult to provoke, yet
> the report included clear, detailed instructions on how to ‘make it
> happen’, including log trace data. And, the theory about what might be
> going wrong ("I think what is happening here is a bug with the timer…’)
> turned out to be spot on the money. Bullseye!
>

Don't think that just because you praise Aaron so lavishly here that the
rest of us will automatically be able to match this level of bug reporting
going forward no matter how much we try.

>
> I have only one additional request that would have made this a ‘perfect
> 10’ of bug report-ness: put it in a Github Issue. You can do that by going
> to:
>
> https://github.com/ElvishArtisan/rivendell/issues
>
> and then hitting the big green button that says ‘New Issue’.
>

And here, Fred, you show an uncanny ability to answer a question I have
been meaning to ask for several days before I even get to ask it!!! This I
hope to be able to remember to do consistently going forward...


>
> The big advantage of making a GitHub Issue is that the report will then
> stay around until one of the dev team can swat it. Discussing it on the
> mailing list is perfectly fine too, but the hurly-burly of day-to-day life
> means that those reports will often roll off and get forgotten (at least by
> me). Putting it in GitHub ensures that that won’t happen.
>
Yup.

>
> I’m very proud of the community that has coalesced around Rivendell. It’s
> you gals and guys, providing feedback, help for each other (including
> newcomers to Rivendell) and generally keeping the show on the road that
> make Rivendell and its community the empowering place that it is. It is an
> honor for me to be part of this group.
>
+1 Hear, hear!

>
> Cheers!
>
>
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>
> all the best,

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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[drew Roberts]

Fred,

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 6:49 PM Fred Gleason 
wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2020, at 23:35, drew Roberts  wrote:
>
> what cards should show in 3.x?
>
>
> It depends on what version of ASI’s ‘hpklinux’ driver is being used. Not
> all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version. For CentOS 7
> setups, we provide three, v4.13.0, v4.20.10 and 4.20.21 (with v4.20.21
> being installed by default). Any ASI-5XXX or ASI-6XXX card (the ones with
> the orange colored mu-metal shields) should be able to work with one of
> those drivers, although sometimes some experimentation is required to find
> out which driver does the trick. You can find the RPMs at:
>

Did you miss this from the first email?

rdalsaconfig shows Audioscience ASI6622

I may have been unclear though, I think the cards both systems are
identical. (The current 2.x is the newer card, the one in the spare system
is the old card from the server that took the lightening strike back when.)

>
> http://static.paravelsystems.com/audioscience/centos/7/
>
> That said, ASI-4XXX cards (the ones with the blue mu-metal shields) are
> NOT supported in Rivendell at all. (Sorry. I know that there are lots of
> these for sale on eBay for cheap, but there’s a good reason for that: they
> are incompatible with modern PC hardware).
>
>
> I have a small spare rivendell system with an asi card (iirc) which was
> 2.x but I just wiped that and installed 3.x
>
> rdalsaconfig does not show the asi card.
>
>
> Nor should it on a standard CentOS setup.
>

So, this was a Centos 7 and Rivendell scripted install per the normal
instructions. The scripted install does not look for ASI cards and
configure them then?

I got it working fairly soon after asking, I can't remember exactly how but
it looks like it included:

yum install hpklinux.x86_64
modprobe hpklinux
modprobe snd_asihpi

I am not sure if I had to do anything else but it eventually showed up.


> While some distros do support running ASI cards through the standard ALSA
> layer, you *really* do not want to do that for Rivendell. ASI’s ‘hpklinux’
> driver is required to unlock the advanced features (time scaling, hardware
> MPEG support) that is found on many ASI cards. For the list of cards
> recognized by the system, see RDAdmin->ManageHosts->AudioResources. If you
> card doesn’t show, try backing down the hpklinux driver to an earlier
> version.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> |-|
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> |-|
>
> Thanks, all the best,

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Re: [RDD] glassgui, asi, output not input

[drew Roberts]

Fred,

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 6:54 PM Fred Gleason 
wrote:

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 08:25, drew Roberts  wrote:
>
> On our "extra" setup, we don't have the outboard processor. What would be
> the correct way to "capture" the main log's output 1 & 2 with glassgui and
> send it on to the icecast server?
>
>
> You’ll have to do it with an outboard mixer.
>

Nah, what I did was take the asi card out of the mix and put the main log
on jack and went that route.

Feature Request if it is possible:

(I will add this to github today it memory serves me later.)

 In GlassGui Audio Sources, When the Type is AudioScience HPI, in addition
to:

[example]

ASI6622[1] - Input Stream 1
ASI6622[1] - Input Stream 2

With Input Source: options:

Line In 1
Line In 2
Output Stream 1
Output Stream 3
Output Stream 3
Output Stream 4

Add:

ASI6622[1] - Output Stream 1
ASI6622[1] - Output Stream 2

With Input Source: options:

Line Out 1
Line Out 2

etc. as needed.

BTW, I tried using the combo:

Input Stream 1
Output Stream 1

which works but only when rdairplay is using that particular output stream
and so you get music and silenced intermixed via icecast...


> Cheers!
>
>
> |-|
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> |-|
>
all the best,

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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[David Klann]

Greetings Frank, and others!

On Wed, 2020-02-26 at 21:12 -0600, you wrote:
> Rob,
> 
> ... [background info snipped]
> 
> The motivating factor behind considering a switch to Rivendell is the utter
> madness induced by Windows 10 updates over which we have little control. Our
> Simians ran fine on XP; were stable running 7; but are now falling apart on
> 10. Factory fixes include obscure registry tweaks on individual machines
> following Windows updates. In the meantime, too much dead air and 3 am
> calls.
> 

I LOVE your idea of the Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook. I've taken the liberty
to start such a section on the Rivendell Wiki: 
http://wiki.rivendellaudio.org/index.php/Cookbook

It's just a start, and I intend on continuing the work on it (I've been
contemplating writing such a book for a couple of years...). I look forward to
seeing contributions from others in the community!

> Even in the midst of all this insanity, zombie-eyed staff are embracing the
> devil they know rather than the one they don’t. It’s going to be a hard sell
> to switch automation systems for a third time; it took ten years for them to
> adjust to this one.
> 
> Frank
> 

As I wrote in the nascent "first chapter" of the Cookbook, adopting a new
automation system is like rebuilding after a flood or a fire. As you no doubt
know, you definitely want to get everyone on board before taking on such a
monumental task.

I'm excited and tickled to be part of this active and passionate community of
Rivendell users and developers!

Best,

  ~David Klann


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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Rob Landry]

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020, Fred Gleason wrote:


On Feb 19, 2020, at 23:35, drew Roberts  wrote:
  what cards should show in 3.x?



It depends on what version of ASI’s ‘hpklinux’ driver is being used. Not all
ASI cards are supported in any given driver version.


And recent driver versions have a minimum kernel version that excludes 
CentOS 6. Those of us still running CentOS 6 may have trouble when we have 
to replace a sound card.



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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[Rob Landry]

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020, Tim Camp wrote:


BTW for the cold dead hands person, audition 3.0 runs quite well under wine
4.2 and above on Linux.


I have not had much success doing that; the software installs and runs, 
but it's slow and I get lots of audio dropouts.



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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[Rob Landry]

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020, Frank Christel wrote:

Basically, we would need Rivendell to replace our network of ten BSI 
Simian workstations located in three studios, a master control, and one 
office, all tied together by a ZFS server. Programming originates from 
our studios, four NPR satellite receivers, Content Depot, and PRX 
SubAuto.


That should be eminently doable. The satellite receivers are Linux boxes 
and can do NFS. At WUMB, we no longer use satellite receivers because the 
university took our dish away, but it shouldn't be hard to get them to 
work with Rivendell. With WUMB's old WireReady system, I had to write a 
Perl script to grab the files off the receivers, extract the metadata, 
decode the files to linear .wav files, and rename them to the five-digit 
numbers specified in the metadata. Rivendell can do all of that out of the 
box.


We still have a script executed by a cron job that grabs files from 
Content Depot and drops them into Rivendell drop boxes.


The motivating factor behind considering a switch to Rivendell is the 
utter madness induced by Windows 10 updates over which we have little 
control. Our Simians ran fine on XP; were stable running 7; but are now 
falling apart on 10. Factory fixes include obscure registry tweaks on 
individual machines following Windows updates. In the meantime, too much 
dead air and 3 am calls.


I take it that continuing to run the Simians son Windows 7 is not an 
option.


Even in the midst of all this insanity, zombie-eyed staff are embracing 
the devil they know rather than the one they don’t. It’s going to be a 
hard sell to switch automation systems for a third time; it took ten 
years for them to adjust to this one.


Give them a laptop with a stand-alone Rivendell system on it for them to 
play with. Rivendell was so much more intuitive than what they were used 
to that our people's inertia quickly melted away.



Rob

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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Cowboy]

On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 12:05:31 -0500 (EST)
Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

> And recent driver versions have a minimum kernel version that excludes 
> CentOS 6. Those of us still running CentOS 6 may have trouble when we have 
> to replace a sound card.
> 

 Just means you'll ( we'll ) have to compile ourselves either the driver,
 if source is available, or the kernel.

 No big deal.

 I find that practically every time Red Hat does an update of this whole
 RHEL/CentOS 7 project, things usually get worse.
 Kernel update, screen brightness stops working.
 Next update, screen works, but USB stops.
 Next update, no display at all.
 etc.

 In fact, there's a whole several page write up on the "tar pit of RHEL-7"
 and how it's as bad or worse than Windows ever was !

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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[drew Roberts]

Rob,

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 12:11 PM Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020, Tim Camp wrote:
>
> > BTW for the cold dead hands person, audition 3.0 runs quite well under
> wine
> > 4.2 and above on Linux.
>
> I have not had much success doing that; the software installs and runs,
> but it's slow and I get lots of audio dropouts.
>

Have you tried running on windows in a VM hosted on linux?

all the best,

drew

>
>
> Rob
>
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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[drew Roberts]

David,

I suggest the addition of:

— Party at the Beach: Live remote via IP with (openvpn and ((openob) or
(icecast and liquidsoap)).

Fixed a spelling error from an earlier post and added in openvpn which may
be on the way out soon enough...

I will try and run down my access to the wiki and start in on the vnc
remote control chapter soon.

all the best,

drew


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:57 AM David Klann  wrote:

> Greetings Frank, and others!
>
> On Wed, 2020-02-26 at 21:12 -0600, you wrote:
> > Rob,
> >
> > ... [background info snipped]
> >
> > The motivating factor behind considering a switch to Rivendell is the
> utter
> > madness induced by Windows 10 updates over which we have little control.
> Our
> > Simians ran fine on XP; were stable running 7; but are now falling apart
> on
> > 10. Factory fixes include obscure registry tweaks on individual machines
> > following Windows updates. In the meantime, too much dead air and 3 am
> > calls.
> >
>
> I LOVE your idea of the Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook. I've taken the
> liberty
> to start such a section on the Rivendell Wiki:
> http://wiki.rivendellaudio.org/index.php/Cookbook
>
> It's just a start, and I intend on continuing the work on it (I've been
> contemplating writing such a book for a couple of years...). I look
> forward to
> seeing contributions from others in the community!
>
> > Even in the midst of all this insanity, zombie-eyed staff are embracing
> the
> > devil they know rather than the one they don’t. It’s going to be a hard
> sell
> > to switch automation systems for a third time; it took ten years for
> them to
> > adjust to this one.
> >
> > Frank
> >
>
> As I wrote in the nascent "first chapter" of the Cookbook, adopting a new
> automation system is like rebuilding after a flood or a fire. As you no
> doubt
> know, you definitely want to get everyone on board before taking on such a
> monumental task.
>
> I'm excited and tickled to be part of this active and passionate community
> of
> Rivendell users and developers!
>
> Best,
>
>   ~David Klann
>
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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Fred Gleason]

On Feb 27, 2020, at 08:07, drew Roberts  wrote:

> Did you miss this from the first email?
> 
> rdalsaconfig shows Audioscience ASI6622

I somehow managed to invert the sense of that one.

The current CentOS installer for Rivendell actually places an entry in 
‘/etc/modprobe.d/‘ to ban the ALSA driver for ASI cards, so one ‘should' never 
see an ASI card in rdalsaconfig(8). Unless, that is, you’re on a system that 
was installed using an earlier version of the installer (that ban entry was 
added to the installer in November 2018).

To add the entry yourself, just do (as root):

echo blacklist\ snd-asihpi > /etc/modprobe.d/asihpi.conf

and then reboot.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Fred Gleason]

On Feb 27, 2020, at 12:05, Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

> And recent driver versions have a minimum kernel version that excludes CentOS 
> 6. Those of us still running CentOS 6 may have trouble when we have to 
> replace a sound card.

CentOS 6 goes EOL in less than a year (November 2020, to be exact), so you’d be 
well advised to have upgrade plans in hand.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Fred Gleason]

On Feb 27, 2020, at 12:33, Cowboy  wrote:

> Just means you'll ( we'll ) have to compile ourselves either the driver,
> if source is available, or the kernel.

‘Fraid not. The current version of the hpklinux driver *does not build* on the 
kernels used by CentOS 6. That was a decision made by AudioScience.

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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Rob Landry]

On Thu, 27 Feb 2020, Cowboy wrote:


Just means you'll ( we'll ) have to compile ourselves either the driver,
if source is available, or the kernel.


When WNTK got hit by lightning last August, we lost two ASI sound cards of 
a model that had been discontinued. The new cards were not recognized by 
the old driver, and the new driver would not compile under CentOS 6. We 
learned after calling ASI that it required a newer kernel.


Because we had to get back on the air, we pressed into service a couple of 
USB sound adapters and a matchbox I had built for another station.


There were a number of things about the Rivendell machines at WNTK we 
didn't like; they predated our association with the station, and we wanted 
the Rivendell systems there to conform to the standards we follow 
elsewhere. So, we decided to build two new boxes using the CentOS 7 
installer. The CentOS 7 boxes have been reliable, and I haven't built any 
but CentOS 7 systems recently. As long as I don't have to use Gnome 3, I 
can tolerate CentOS 7.


I understand that CentOS 8 is out, but have never played with it.


Rob

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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Cowboy]

On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 13:40:30 -0500
Fred Gleason  wrote:

> On Feb 27, 2020, at 12:33, Cowboy  wrote:
> 
> > Just means you'll ( we'll ) have to compile ourselves either the driver,
> > if source is available, or the kernel.  
> 
> ‘Fraid not. The current version of the hpklinux driver *does not build* on 
> the kernels used by
> CentOS 6. That was a decision made by AudioScience.

 Well, then... Or both !
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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[Rob Landry]

On Thu, 27 Feb 2020, drew Roberts wrote:


Have you tried running on windows in a VM hosted on linux?


The only machine I have configured like that runs Windows Server 2003 in a 
virtual machine under Debian; it's used for an old Visual Traffic system 
that is otherwise unsupportable, and previous management insisted on 
RAID-1, which Debian supports.


Now I come to think of it, there is one other: the streaming encoder at 
another station runs Omnia A/XE under Windows running in a virtual machine 
under Debian. That one had to be set up remotely, at a time when I 
couldn't physically get to the site, and the VM was the only way I could 
think to do it. It's been running like that for several years now.


But generally, I don't like to run Windows under Linux; I don;t see how it 
can ever be as fast as Windows running directly on the hardware.



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Re: [RDD] Big Book of Rivendell Cookbook?

[David Klann]

Hey drew,

On Thu, 2020-02-27 at 13:07 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> I suggest the addition of:
> 
> — Party at the Beach: Live remote via IP with (openvpn and ((openob) or
> (icecast and liquidsoap)).
> 
> Fixed a spelling error from an earlier post and added in openvpn which may
> be on the way out soon enough...
> 
> I will try and run down my access to the wiki and start in on the vnc
> remote control chapter soon.
> 

Good point(s)! I've added the remote section to the table of contents...

Thanks!

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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Frank Christel]

Noob question: why are ASI cards required to play MP2 files?

From the “Features and Benefits” list on the Rivendell home page: "Support for 
both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG Layer 2 support requires the 
use of select sound cards available from AudioScience Inc.).”

(ASI cards are required by BSI’s Simian to play MP2s on Windows, too.)

Is the MP2 format so old there are no software decoders? Or is MP2 processing 
so intensive in real time that it must be offloaded to an external sound card? 

Is there a way for a RasPi Rivendale node to play MP2s without first converting 
the files to WAV?

Frank Christel

__

On 2/26/2020, at 5:49 PM, Fred Gleason  wrote:

...Not all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version. For CentOS 7 
setups, we provide three, v4.13.0, v4.20.10 and 4.20.21 (with v4.20.21 being 
installed by default). Any ASI-5XXX or ASI-6XXX card (the ones with the orange 
colored mu-metal shields) should be able to work with one of those drivers, 
although sometimes some experimentation is required to find out which driver 
does the trick… That said, ASI-4XXX cards (the ones with the blue mu-metal 
shields) are NOT supported in Rivendell at all.

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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[drew Roberts]

Frank,

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 5:43 PM Frank Christel  wrote:

> Noob question: why are ASI cards required to play MP2 files?
>

Experiment with this yourself.

On a test box, say the RasPi Rivendell (corrected) you mention below, run
rdadmin.

click manage hosts.
highlight the host in question and click edit.
click rdlibrary.
about halfway down change Format: from PCM16 to MPEG Layer 2.
save everything until you are out of rdadmin
start rdlibrary and import a new song into a new cart.
try to play the cart.
if it plays...
from a terminal:
file /var/snd/99_001.wav

where the filename bit corresponds to the cart/cut you just imported and
played.

IIRC, the mp2 files are "stored" in wav "containers"...

all the best,

drew

>
> From the “Features and Benefits” list on the Rivendell home page: "Support
> for both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG Layer 2 support
> requires the use of select sound cards available from AudioScience Inc.).”
>
> (ASI cards are required by BSI’s Simian to play MP2s on Windows, too.)
>
> Is the MP2 format so old there are no software decoders? Or is MP2
> processing so intensive in real time that it must be offloaded to an
> external sound card?
>
> Is there a way for a RasPi Rivendale node to play MP2s without first
> converting the files to WAV?
>
> Frank Christel
>
> __
>
> On 2/26/2020, at 5:49 PM, Fred Gleason  wrote:
>
> ...Not all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version. For CentOS
> 7 setups, we provide three, v4.13.0, v4.20.10 and 4.20.21 (with v4.20.21
> being installed by default). Any ASI-5XXX or ASI-6XXX card (the ones with
> the orange colored mu-metal shields) should be able to work with one of
> those drivers, although sometimes some experimentation is required to find
> out which driver does the trick… That said, ASI-4XXX cards (the ones with
> the blue mu-metal shields) are NOT supported in Rivendell at all.
>
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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Timothy Elwell]

Hi Frank,

ASI cards should only required for MP3. MP2's patent expired a number of 
years ago and was added to Rivendell as soon as the patent expired. MP2 
should be usable on any recent RD system (I don't remember the exact 
version it was added, but I know it's worked well for me on v2+).


For the format it stored in, as I understand it, the MP2 is stored in a 
wav container, not as a wav format. I haven't tried it with a Pi yet, 
but have been working on that build to try MP2 on the Pi for a specific 
use case I have.


Others are more informative than I am, I know. But hopefully this will 
help you a little.


Tim

On 2/27/20 4:43 PM, Frank Christel wrote:

Noob question: why are ASI cards required to play MP2 files?

 From the “Features and Benefits” list on the Rivendell home page: "Support for 
both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG Layer 2 support requires the use of 
select sound cards available from AudioScience Inc.).”

(ASI cards are required by BSI’s Simian to play MP2s on Windows, too.)

Is the MP2 format so old there are no software decoders? Or is MP2 processing 
so intensive in real time that it must be offloaded to an external sound card?

Is there a way for a RasPi Rivendale node to play MP2s without first converting 
the files to WAV?

Frank Christel

__

On 2/26/2020, at 5:49 PM, Fred Gleason  wrote:

...Not all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version. For CentOS 7 
setups, we provide three, v4.13.0, v4.20.10 and 4.20.21 (with v4.20.21 being 
installed by default). Any ASI-5XXX or ASI-6XXX card (the ones with the orange 
colored mu-metal shields) should be able to work with one of those drivers, 
although sometimes some experimentation is required to find out which driver 
does the trick… That said, ASI-4XXX cards (the ones with the blue mu-metal 
shields) are NOT supported in Rivendell at all.

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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[drew Roberts]

Well, I have been thinking further and trying to remember...

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 6:10 PM Timothy Elwell 
wrote:

> Hi Frank,
>
> ASI cards should only required for MP3. MP2's patent expired a number of
> years ago and was added to Rivendell as soon as the patent expired. MP2
> should be usable on any recent RD system (I don't remember the exact
> version it was added, but I know it's worked well for me on v2+).
>
> For the format it stored in, as I understand it, the MP2 is stored in a
> wav container, not as a wav format. I haven't tried it with a Pi yet,
> but have been working on that build to try MP2 on the Pi for a specific
> use case I have.
>

IIRC, we had it running on a Pi and the files were stored as MP2.wav

It has been a long time since that machine was powered up though so I may
have mis-remembered something. Still worth a quick experiment on that Pi.

>
> Others are more informative than I am, I know. But hopefully this will
> help you a little.
>

all the best,

drew


>
> Tim
>
> On 2/27/20 4:43 PM, Frank Christel wrote:
> > Noob question: why are ASI cards required to play MP2 files?
> >
> >  From the “Features and Benefits” list on the Rivendell home page:
> "Support for both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG Layer 2
> support requires the use of select sound cards available from AudioScience
> Inc.).”
> >
> > (ASI cards are required by BSI’s Simian to play MP2s on Windows, too.)
> >
> > Is the MP2 format so old there are no software decoders? Or is MP2
> processing so intensive in real time that it must be offloaded to an
> external sound card?
> >
> > Is there a way for a RasPi Rivendale node to play MP2s without first
> converting the files to WAV?
> >
> > Frank Christel
> >
> > __
> >
> > On 2/26/2020, at 5:49 PM, Fred Gleason  wrote:
> >
> > ...Not all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version. For
> CentOS 7 setups, we provide three, v4.13.0, v4.20.10 and 4.20.21 (with
> v4.20.21 being installed by default). Any ASI-5XXX or ASI-6XXX card (the
> ones with the orange colored mu-metal shields) should be able to work with
> one of those drivers, although sometimes some experimentation is required
> to find out which driver does the trick… That said, ASI-4XXX cards (the
> ones with the blue mu-metal shields) are NOT supported in Rivendell at all.
> >
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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Alan Smith]

I could be wrong, but I seem to remember asking an almost similar 
question when I first started with Rivendell.


It is my understanding that you do not need ASI cards to play either mp3 
or mp3 cards.  You might have needed them 'back in the day', but these 
days I believe ASI cards only gets you the following features:


Time Scaled Audio.
Hardware MPEG encode/decode.

Thats about it.  Hardware encode/decode shouldn't be an issue-todays 
processors are more than capable of doing the job in realtime with 
plenty of 'horsepower' left to spare.  Now it *might* be the hardware 
encode/decoding produces better quality results, I'm not sure though.  I 
know in the video side of things hardware decoding/encoding>software.  
May not apply to audio though???


-Alan

On 2/27/2020 6:02 PM, drew Roberts wrote:

Well, I have been thinking further and trying to remember...

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 6:10 PM Timothy Elwell 
mailto:telw...@pilotproductions.net>> 
wrote:


Hi Frank,

ASI cards should only required for MP3. MP2's patent expired a
number of
years ago and was added to Rivendell as soon as the patent
expired. MP2
should be usable on any recent RD system (I don't remember the exact
version it was added, but I know it's worked well for me on v2+).

For the format it stored in, as I understand it, the MP2 is stored
in a
wav container, not as a wav format. I haven't tried it with a Pi yet,
but have been working on that build to try MP2 on the Pi for a
specific
use case I have.


IIRC, we had it running on a Pi and the files were stored as MP2.wav

It has been a long time since that machine was powered up though so I 
may have mis-remembered something. Still worth a quick experiment on 
that Pi.



Others are more informative than I am, I know. But hopefully this
will
help you a little.


all the best,

drew


Tim

On 2/27/20 4:43 PM, Frank Christel wrote:
> Noob question: why are ASI cards required to play MP2 files?
>
>  From the “Features and Benefits” list on the Rivendell home
page: "Support for both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG
Layer 2 support requires the use of select sound cards available
from AudioScience Inc.).”
>
> (ASI cards are required by BSI’s Simian to play MP2s on Windows,
too.)
>
> Is the MP2 format so old there are no software decoders? Or is
MP2 processing so intensive in real time that it must be offloaded
to an external sound card?
>
> Is there a way for a RasPi Rivendale node to play MP2s without
first converting the files to WAV?
>
> Frank Christel
>
> __
>
> On 2/26/2020, at 5:49 PM, Fred Gleason mailto:fr...@paravelsystems.com>> wrote:
>
> ...Not all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version.
For CentOS 7 setups, we provide three, v4.13.0, v4.20.10 and
4.20.21 (with v4.20.21 being installed by default). Any ASI-5XXX
or ASI-6XXX card (the ones with the orange colored mu-metal
shields) should be able to work with one of those drivers,
although sometimes some experimentation is required to find out
which driver does the trick… That said, ASI-4XXX cards (the ones
with the blue mu-metal shields) are NOT supported in Rivendell at all.
>
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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Alan Smith]

My last reply should have read "ASI not required to play MP3 or MP2 
Audio"...


On 2/27/2020 6:02 PM, drew Roberts wrote:

Well, I have been thinking further and trying to remember...

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 6:10 PM Timothy Elwell 
mailto:telw...@pilotproductions.net>> 
wrote:


Hi Frank,

ASI cards should only required for MP3. MP2's patent expired a
number of
years ago and was added to Rivendell as soon as the patent
expired. MP2
should be usable on any recent RD system (I don't remember the exact
version it was added, but I know it's worked well for me on v2+).

For the format it stored in, as I understand it, the MP2 is stored
in a
wav container, not as a wav format. I haven't tried it with a Pi yet,
but have been working on that build to try MP2 on the Pi for a
specific
use case I have.


IIRC, we had it running on a Pi and the files were stored as MP2.wav

It has been a long time since that machine was powered up though so I 
may have mis-remembered something. Still worth a quick experiment on 
that Pi.



Others are more informative than I am, I know. But hopefully this
will
help you a little.


all the best,

drew


Tim

On 2/27/20 4:43 PM, Frank Christel wrote:
> Noob question: why are ASI cards required to play MP2 files?
>
>  From the “Features and Benefits” list on the Rivendell home
page: "Support for both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG
Layer 2 support requires the use of select sound cards available
from AudioScience Inc.).”
>
> (ASI cards are required by BSI’s Simian to play MP2s on Windows,
too.)
>
> Is the MP2 format so old there are no software decoders? Or is
MP2 processing so intensive in real time that it must be offloaded
to an external sound card?
>
> Is there a way for a RasPi Rivendale node to play MP2s without
first converting the files to WAV?
>
> Frank Christel
>
> __
>
> On 2/26/2020, at 5:49 PM, Fred Gleason mailto:fr...@paravelsystems.com>> wrote:
>
> ...Not all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version.
For CentOS 7 setups, we provide three, v4.13.0, v4.20.10 and
4.20.21 (with v4.20.21 being installed by default). Any ASI-5XXX
or ASI-6XXX card (the ones with the orange colored mu-metal
shields) should be able to work with one of those drivers,
although sometimes some experimentation is required to find out
which driver does the trick… That said, ASI-4XXX cards (the ones
with the blue mu-metal shields) are NOT supported in Rivendell at all.
>
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