[RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: Lang claims fuel questions of 'what if?'r
How would a jury have reacted if it knew Albert Means was not a victim? That's the question of the week in the long-running soap opera that began with the University of Alabama's NCAA case and proceeded into courtrooms across the Southeast, and where it continues, in various venues, to this day. A Memphis Commercial Appeal article has prompted the question. In that article in which Lynn Lang, Means' former high school coach, claims he provided Means with some $60,000 during Means' final two years of high school. The defense team for Logan Young, who was found guilty of giving Lang that money so that Means would sign with Alabama is, understandably, aghast. They argue, plausibly, that a jury might have seen things differently, or, at the very least, that Young's culpability (and hence any possible jail sentence) is greatly mitigated by the fact that Albert Means was no victim. Along the way, Lang also portrayed the recruitment of Means as a freewheeling circus in which a lot of teams participated, not a corrupt transaction in which there was only one culprit. Lang provided the names of a lot of schools -- including Tennessee and Arkansas, to name the most hypocritical and moralistic of the alleged bidders -- along with dollar amounts and a few local color details, like the one where an Arkansas coach promised to leave $80,000 in a bag under a bridge. It has even prompted a few regional columnists to propose that maybe Means wasn't a victim (gasp!), or that the NCAA prosecution of the case was, at best, rather selective (double gasp!). Honesty has to get the best of modesty here, if only to the extent of saying that regular readers of this column have heard all those points many times before. That doesn't diminish the importance of this week's revelations for Young, who is fighting to stay out of jail. Furthermore, whenever another person steps back and takes a fresh look at how the NCAA functions, that's a victory. That's a big reason why The Tuscaloosa News is fighting to unseal and reveal all the documents in the Ronnie Cottrell/Ivy Williams lawsuit. Every piece of information contributes to the public's understanding of this incredibly complex and still-evolving case. Quite likely, a redefinition of Means' victim status would have influenced a Memphis jury in Young's case, a case that never belonged in a federal courtroom in the first place. But that leads to another question. How would this information have affected that other jury -- the NCAA Committee on Infractions? There are so many subtexts to Alabama's NCAA Infractions hearing. There were so many agendas at work, some of them known at the time, others that have subsequently come to light, and yet others that will be exposed in the future. I've yet to see any summary, including the one that Cottrell's attorneys filed this week, that encompasses everything that happened. I am convinced, though, that Albert Means as victim was one of the motivating factors -- not the only one, by any means, but a big one -- in the COI's ultimate decision. For one thing, it explains one of the more inexplicable elements of the whole case: the viper's-venom rhetoric directed by committee chairman Thomas Yeager towards an institution that had been co-operative beyond the point of self-preservation. Perhaps we are in the tricky territory of the sub-conscious here. Probably, every member of the COI would deny that the unique history of the University of Alabama played a role in its decision-making. But I do know that the NCAA prides itself on a politically aware agenda, positioning itself against everything from Confederate flags to Indian nicknames. I do know that Southern schools are penalized far more frequently -- and more severely -- than Eastern and Midwestern schools. And I sincerely believe that when Alabama sat in the NCAA's peculiar dock of justice, there were ghosts sitting there as well, ghosts that once stood in the schoolhouse door. They aren't literal specters, of course. But that image still lives, and the perception of rich, old boosters exploiting a young black man -- which is exactly how the story was presented to the COI -- made it resonate. Would a jury have responded differently if it knew the case (such as it was) was business as usual in a lot of places, not just in the South, but in places like Michigan and Ohio as well? It's hard to detect much moral difference in Albert Means getting paid off and Chris Webber getting paid off. And when the moral element is stripped away, would the wrath of any jury, even one as agenda-ridden as the Committee on Infractions, be quite the same? This was no crusade. There seem to have been no real victims and far more perpetrators than the NCAA was willing to prosecute. And as this case as proceeded through its long after-life, that has gotten clearer and clearer with every fact that has come to light. Cecil Hurt is
[RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: Big Ten does little wrong in eyes of NCAA
http://tidesports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050522/NEWS/505220386/1011 CECIL HURT: Big Ten does little wrong in eyes of NCAA May 22, 2005 It seems that I might owe the NCAA Enforcement Staff an apology./sDuring the Logan Young trial in Memphis, I wrote that members of the Enforcement Staff were probably monitoring the case -- unless they were too busy whitewashing the pending Ohio State case. Well, it turns out that I was right about what they were doing, not that predicting a whitewash took any great insight. But where I transgressed was in underestimating their speed and efficiency. After all, I wrote that in late January -- and the NCAAs enforcement guys had already wrapped up their investigation into Maurice Clarett in time to beat the Christmas rush. Ohio State, earlier this week, released its official letter of inquiry from the NCAA, and that letter included no mention of Clarett, the star running back on Ohio States 2002 national champions and, most recently, a young man who accused the Buckeyes of a long list of NCAA infractions. Instead, the letter focused almost entirely on potential basketball violations, mentioning football only once. To be honest, that was so predictable that I originally didnt even intend to write about it. No investigation into Big Ten football ever amounts to anything. The last Big Ten football team to receive a postseason ban in football was Minnesota in 1991. Ive probably got 25 years or so of college football observation left, and Im likelier to see Vanderbilt win a national championship than I am to see a Big Ten team get a bowl ban. Just for the record, in the 15 years since it last happened, the SEC has seen Alabama (twice), Auburn, Kentucky, Ole Miss and Mississippi State receive penalties. Its reached a point, though, where most college football fans just shrug about that inequity. It doesnt make any difference to Alabama, which has served out the penalties in its most recent probation. Its just the way things are. Of course, Big Ten fans will argue that there have not been any penalties because their programs are all pristine. The proof? Well, if the NCAA hasnt imposed any penalties, they must be clean -- or so the tautology goes. I dont know about that. I do know that a Michigan booster was paying $600,000 to players in basketball, which isnt the main sport at Michigan. (The NCAA Enforcement Staffs original finding in that case, by the way, was that there were only secondary violations.) I do know that Albert Means recruitment was a cesspool and the team that traveled the greatest distance to jump in and swim around was Michigan State. I do know that Clarett was driving a quick succession of nice vehicles while he was playing at Ohio State. So color me skeptical about the pristine thing. Nonetheless, the case wasnt likely to be column material. That was until someone at the NCAA decided to comment. Now, an NCAA comment isnt all that valuable in and of itself. In the first place, its probably no better than 50-50 on whether any given NCAA official is telling the truth or not. On the other hand, when someone at the NCAA does deign to comment about a pending case, it is revealing. First, the comment is usually means that the NCAA has been stung by some particular criticism. Second, the comment usually reveals more about the NCAA agenda than the spokesperson intended to reveal. Thats what you can tell from the words of David Price, the NCAA vice president for enforcement services, earlier this week. Price indicated that the NCAA had tried for nearly a month to call Clarett, and he never called them back. Over the course of a month in November and December 2004, phone calls were placed to Mr. Claretts reported cell phone numbers, relatives, former legal representatives and friends, Prices statement said. But the messages left were never returned. In addition, attempts to contact him in person failed. No kidding, Mr. Price? Your crack staff devoted a whole month to finding Clarett, then gave up because he didnt return a phone call? Thats a little different than the years spent pursuing some of the individuals in the Alabama case. Some of those individuals werent too co-operative, either, like Lynn Lang, who never said a word to the NCAA until after Alabamas penalties were handed down. In that case, the lack of an interview was no deterrent. The NCAA just used confidential sources. One thing is obvious, and thats why the Broncos drafted Maurice Clarett as highly as they did. Not only does he seem to be super-strong, since he apparently fashioned the SUVs he drove in college with his bare hands, but he is also able to become invisible at will. Considering that he was a constant television presence in the build-up to the NFL draft, reporters and others seemed able to find him pretty easily. It wasnt so easy for an NCAA investigator, though, and the best course for them was just
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
OK dammit, I missed it all. Why did you call tell me everything you said. - Original Message - From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum You need to become a regular. Yeah, someone needs to take up Shane's slack. You are at least 100 IQ points above any other caller. Well, in most cases that only puts me at +50, but thanks just the same. :) You'd be the Dennis Miller of Alabama. WORD! Slef E. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
What happened? What did he say? I was out of my truck during most of his interview. Apparently he said something major about Bama's football program. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
shamelessly borrowed from another board Cecil Hurt on The University's non -comment on the Daniel Moore article in Sunday's T-Town paperyou control the information or it controls you... On the Cottrell trialthe Neuhiesel settlement shows that the ncaa is vunerable on the procedural argument.There is support for the argument that they don't know or follow their own rules and procedures. On a possible settlement, they, the ncaa, wouldn't hesitate to do it in their own best interests, if it would keep their proceedings out of the lime light. The settlement with Neuhiesel was small potatoes to the ncaa. On the upcoming season, the usual statements IF they stay healthy, IF the OL jells, IF Darby returns healthy and to previous form, IF they can protect Brodie and he lasts out the year. Its just to difficult to say in May, what will happen come Sept. Now listening to a clip of the Dubose interview from this past Friday and his comments that too many people are trying to run the program. Cecil's comments on the matter: First he, Cecil, wants to lay aside the Dubose affair of 1999 and take emotion out of the equation, when discussing the statements. Cecil: You need to listen to what Coach Dubose says, BECAUSE, he sat in the Head Coach's chair (used Nixon as example of talking about the Presidency, setting aside Watergate/emotion). Some of what he says is self-serving, BUT, its not all hot air. Cecil noted that Bowtie did not attend the news conference ,when Dubose's hiring was announced. Basically Cecil is confirming some of what Dubose is saying. Used Coach Perkins and Curry as an example. Said that Coach Perkins left Alabama, becuase he didn't think that the football interests could protect him from the President's office and Curry left, because he didn't think that the President's office could protect him from the football interests. Cecil went onto say that Dubose was basically speaking of the divisions within the Family, as it related to 1999. He, Cecil, named Bockrath, Sorenson, Robbins, Marsh and another. I wouldn't call this interview a bombshell interview, but I would say its required listening for those interested in the inner workings of the athletic dept. When they put Cecil's interview up on Finebaum.com, I would catch a listen. Cecil was unusally forthcoming.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Laborde Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:51 PM To: rtf@rolltidefan.net Subject: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum What happened? What did he say? I was out of my truck during most of his interview. Apparently he said something major about Bama's football program. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
Didja hear my call about DICK? Slef E. - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rtf@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum What happened? What did he say? I was out of my truck during most of his interview. Apparently he said something major about Bama's football program. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
You made a call about Jobu? Or your favorite part of Jobu? Did you claim to be yorslef or slumbody else? [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didja hear my call about DICK? Slef E. - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rtf@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum What happened? What did he say? I was out of my truck during most of his interview. Apparently he said something major about Bama's football program. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
Was that you that said he used the name Jim so he wouldn't have to pay Vickers a royalty? I laughed my ass off at that comment. Priceless! --- Original Message --- On Mon, 09 May 2005 16:29:27 -0500, Jeff Todd wrote: Someone called in and said Jim from Tuscaloosa's real name is DICK Gary. I called in and gave them my real name. It was about 2:45. Slef E. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
There went your 15 minutes of fame... Everyone's getting outed on that show! Next thing you know we'll find out that I-Man and Phyllis are shacking up. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone called in and said Jim from Tuscaloosa's real name is DICK Gary. I called in and gave them my real name. It was about 2:45. Slef E. - Original Message - From: Bryan Benefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum You made a call about Jobu? Or your favorite part of Jobu? Did you claim to be yorslef or slumbody else? [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didja hear my call about DICK? Slef E. - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rtf@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum What happened? What did he say? I was out of my truck during most of his interview. Apparently he said something major about Bama's football program. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
Someone called in and said Jim from Tuscaloosa's real name is DICK Gary. I called in and gave them my real name. It was about 2:45. Slef E. - Original Message - From: Bryan Benefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum You made a call about Jobu? Or your favorite part of Jobu? Did you claim to be yorslef or slumbody else? [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didja hear my call about DICK? Slef E. - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rtf@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum What happened? What did he say? I was out of my truck during most of his interview. Apparently he said something major about Bama's football program. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
Yes, and I asked Paul if Vickers spells his first name with a K. :-) JT - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum Was that you that said he used the name Jim so he wouldn't have to pay Vickers a royalty? I laughed my ass off at that comment. Priceless! --- Original Message --- On Mon, 09 May 2005 16:29:27 -0500, Jeff Todd wrote: Someone called in and said Jim from Tuscaloosa's real name is DICK Gary. I called in and gave them my real name. It was about 2:45. Slef E. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
Jest heerd you. They replayed the 1st hour. Didnt know you lived in Boass... --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and I asked Paul if Vickers spells his first name with a K. :-) JT - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum Was that you that said he used the name Jim so he wouldn't have to pay Vickers a royalty? I laughed my ass off at that comment. Priceless! --- Original Message --- On Mon, 09 May 2005 16:29:27 -0500, Jeff Todd wrote: Someone called in and said Jim from Tuscaloosa's real name is DICK Gary. I called in and gave them my real name. It was about 2:45. Slef E. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
Dude, that was an all-time classic call. I'm not too sure either of them got the K joke. I did. I was laughing hard out loud as I was on the I-20 to I-459 North ramp. You need to become a regular. You are at least 100 IQ points above any other caller. You'd be the Dennis Miller of Alabama. --- Original Message --- On Mon, 09 May 2005 18:42:00 -0500, Jeff Todd wrote: Yes, and I asked Paul if Vickers spells his first name with a K. :-) JT - Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum Was that you that said he used the name Jim so he wouldn't have to pay Vickers a royalty? I laughed my ass off at that comment. Priceless! ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum
- Original Message - From: Mike Laborde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan - University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List RTF@rolltidefan.net Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on Finebaum You need to become a regular. Yeah, someone needs to take up Shane's slack. You are at least 100 IQ points above any other caller. Well, in most cases that only puts me at +50, but thanks just the same. :) You'd be the Dennis Miller of Alabama. WORD! Slef E. ___ RTF mailing list RTF@rolltidefan.net http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: Learning a lesson from premature celebrations
November 06, 2004 At the risk of offending any Republicans who aren't feeling magnanimous after last Tuesday's landslide, it's not time for the Alabama football team to drop that banner just yet. Yes, the Crimson Tide has reached the six-win plateau. Yes, the Tide will get a nice bowl trip to Atlanta or Nashville or Shreveport. Yes, it helps recruiting. Yes, it's good for a team to get the added practice time that comes with postseason eligibility. But the real mission of this Alabama football team should be more than beating the six most beatable teams on its schedule. No, that's not a criticism. It's certainly not a failure to recognize all the adversity that Alabama's team has overcome to reach this point. But there are still two regular-season chances at huge wins -- one against an old rival that's coming off a national championship, and a second against an even bigger rival that's bidding for a national championship of its own. That's where this team can really make its mark in history in blazing letters. Mike Shula says the same thing. In the understandable excitement about earning a bowl trip -- the first for all except the grizzled veterans on this team -- Shula got an ice-water bath. In the coach's estimation, it was premature. The water on the back is nice, Shula said. But we want to save that for when we win the big one. That comment doesn't mean that Shula was slighting Mississippi State. He spent a good part of his postgame news conference praising MSU coach Sylvester Croom, and it wasn't just lip service. Croom brought in a Mississippi State team that could easily have collapsed after some ignominious early losses, and had them playing tough football. For all the outside issues that had accompanied this game, it really boiled down to the same thing that lots of Alabama-Mississippi State football games have boiled down to, long before either Shula or Croom were ever hired. It was a hard-hitting, old-fashioned game -- not mistake-free -- that was finally settled because Alabama had more players and more playmakers (even in its current state of attrition). It wasn't a case where someone outcoached the guy on the other sideline. Both coaches did just fine, and both programs should feel comfortable with the man they have. Alabama should feel comfortable -- but not content. We've got to put it aside right away, Shula said when asked again about bowl eligibility. We've still got a lot of work to do. First, we've got to get healthy. We've got to have a long discussion about what we're going to do in practice this week, because we are beat up. Then we've got to get focused on playing the defending national champion (LSU) at their place. And we've got to play better than we did tonight. Alabama did improve in some areas on Saturday night. It was the best game yet for Spencer Pennington at quarterback -- not enough to make anyone forget Namath or Stabler, but at least enough to make LSU and Auburn aware that he can throw the ball. Brian Bostick made some big pressure-packed kicks, although Brandon Brooks' fumble on a punt return makes it hard to say that special teams were improved. It wasn't the defense's best game, but that's only because the Tide defense has set a lofty standard for itself this season. And all that might be good enough, given the circumstances surrounding this season. It might be good enough that Alabama has established a no-nonsense attitude, and earned more respect than it had at the beginning of the year. But there is a chance to do more -- a lot more. It might be a slim chance. LSU and Auburn are as good as any teams Alabama has played this year. Only Tennessee would be comparable. Against the Vols, Alabama was able to make it close, but not to win, and winning is what counts. So the Crimson Tide can't pause to take a deep breath. It can't simply start dreaming of a bowl game. The toughest two-game stretch of the schedule is ahead. The Tide shouldn't say Mission Accomplished, without seeing if it can go beyond anything it has done to this point. Cecil Hurt is sports editor of The Tuscaloosa News. Reach him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at (205) 722-0225. ___ RTF mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rolltidefan.net/mailman/listinfo/rtf_rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: As practice opens, it's time to forget sanctions and such
CECIL HURT: As practice opens, it's time to forget sanctions and such August 08, 2004 On Tuesday, University of Alabama football coach Mike Shula will be far more familiar with the football players in front of him than he was at this time a year ago, when he was seeing every single player for the first time. On the other hand, Shula will have some acquaintances to make. That's because of one statistic that stood out on the 104-man roster that Alabama released on Friday. There are only 17 seniors, of any description. A couple of those were walk-ons, and three more were specialists (including both returning kickers). The remaining dozen seniors include some of the Tide's most recognizable names -- A.C. Carter, Wesley Britt, Evan Mathis, Anthony Bryant. But it's obvious that those guys will have to carry a large leadership load off the field, as well as on it. Of the other 87 players, more than half are freshmen (44, a number that will probably go to 45 when the roster is finalized). Some of those are redshirt freshmen that have had the benefit of a year in the program, but the Crimson Tide will be young, by any standard, this season. NCAA sanctions are the primary culprit. Scholarship limitations have skewed the roster in many ways, and will continue to do so for at least a couple of more years. Among the anomalies are a shortage of line depth -- the sophomore class, for instance, has one offensive lineman, Kyle Tatum, and he is a former defensive lineman -- and a fair number of freshmen on any logical two-deep roster. (That's partly the NCAA's fault, and partly Dennis Franchione's). With the opening of practice, though, it's time to set aside NCAA sanction analysis. Yes, the sanctions exist, and will be a factor this season. But what matters most now is the fact that Alabama, like every other Division I school, has 105 players on hand, and has to make the most of the available material. Numbers are important, but it's much more important that football players make plays. The best remedy for youth, or lack of depth, will be for Brodie Croyle to have a breakout year at quarterback, or for Ray Hudson to rush for more than 1,000 yards, or for DeMeco Ryans to play at the All-American level, or for Britt to bounce back from his leg injury and return to dominance. None of that will make the defensive line any deeper, but it will make any shortcomings a lot less noticeable. Familiarity should help the process. Alabama won't spend the next three weeks in a mad rush to install something new, as it did in 2003. Instead, the Tide will be looking to build on the things it installed last season. It should be obvious, and quickly, how the process is going. There may even be some hints before Sept. 4, since it appears that the Tide' s early scrimmages will be open, not locked down like they were a year ago. That doesn't mean that Alabama won't be doing some new things this season, and it obviously doesn't mean that there won't be some new faces involved. Shula has already predicted that anywhere from 10 to 14 freshmen could see action this season, and that means early in the season. Add in some redshirt freshmen and a couple of junior college transfers, and there might be as many as 20 players making their college football debut against Utah State. That's still a major improvement, considering where things were a year ago. But the Tide has plenty of teaching to do, and not much time to get it done. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: As practice opens, it's time to forget sanctions and such
This Bama Fan is somewhat encouraged by the news coming out of Tuscaloosa While I understand the meaning of young and the lack of real depth, I am looking forward to the build up if you will of the program back to the level it once enjoyed. I am a bit concerned about the future situation where alot of the now freshmen graduate as seniors. This situation however is years down the road and I am eagerly awaiting the maturation process that these young men are to go through with Coach Shula at the helm. I am equally sure that Coach Shula and his staff understands how to develop depth and hope that I can keep this understanding while he sub's during a game in lieu of RUTS. just my $.02 Roll Tide Forever Glen Phillips Augusta,Ga __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: As practice opens, it's time to forget sanctions and such
Amen Glen, well put. RTR LC --- Glen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This Bama Fan is somewhat encouraged by the news coming out of Tuscaloosa While I understand the meaning of young and the lack of real depth, I am looking forward to the build up if you will of the program back to the level it once enjoyed. I am a bit concerned about the future situation where alot of the now freshmen graduate as seniors. This situation however is years down the road and I am eagerly awaiting the maturation process that these young men are to go through with Coach Shula at the helm. I am equally sure that Coach Shula and his staff understands how to develop depth and hope that I can keep this understanding while he sub's during a game in lieu of RUTS. just my $.02 Roll Tide Forever Glen Phillips Augusta,Ga __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: As practice opens, it's time to forget sanctions and such
Glenn, my biggest concern is Joe Kines being our defensive coordinator. That bend and breaking defense of his scares the hell out of me. Roll Tide! Rick Glen wrote: This Bama Fan is somewhat encouraged by the news coming out of Tuscaloosa While I understand the meaning of young and the lack of real depth, I am looking forward to the build up if you will of the program back to the level it once enjoyed. I am a bit concerned about the future situation where alot of the now freshmen graduate as seniors. This situation however is years down the road and I am eagerly awaiting the maturation process that these young men are to go through with Coach Shula at the helm. I am equally sure that Coach Shula and his staff understands how to develop depth and hope that I can keep this understanding while he sub's during a game in lieu of RUTS. just my $.02 Roll Tide Forever Glen Phillips Augusta,Ga -- Yea, Alabama! Drown'em Tide! RMc. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: Tankersley firm on principles
It's been more than three weeks since the Florida Marlins made University of Alabama left-hander Taylor Tankersley their first-round choice in Major League Baseball's amateur draft. It's been more than two weeks since Tankersley and the Marlins brass came to financial terms, agreeing on a signing bonus that the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported at a healthy $1.3 million. But, as of Tuesday, Tankersley hasn't thrown a single pitch for the Marlins, and doesn't know when he will. The proposed deal remains unsigned -- not because of dollars, but because of principle. I'm sure that when an outsider who doesn't know what's going on picks up the paper, he sees a story that says 'Tankersley hasn't signed,' and thinks 'Oh, he's holding out for more money, Tankersley said Tuesday in a telephone interview from his Tuscaloosa apartment. That's not the case at all. I don't want people to get the wrong perception of me. I feel like I've bent over backwards up to this point. I want to play, but I don't want to give up my rights as a player. This is the situation, boiled down to basics: The Marlins have been burned before. Josh Allison, last year's first-round draft choice, is currently out of baseball after admitting to an addiction to Oxycontin and subsequently testing positive for marijuana use. The Marlins paid Allison nearly $2 million in bonus money, and have no idea what his future holds. Other teams have had similar problems in recent years. As a result, the Marlins have requested that Tankersley, this year's No. 27 pick overall, sign a deal with a number of stipulations, ranging from extra testing to repayment of bonus money for a positive test at any time in the next four years. I don't know what has gone on with other players, but I know what they are asking me to do is something different than anyone else has been asked, Tankersley said. I don't want to use the word monumental, but my advisor has told me it would set a precedent. It has never been done. To Tankersley, it appears that he is being held accountable for the mistakes of others. I understand why they are being cautious, but I haven't done anything to warrant this, he said. We told the Marlins that our program [at Alabama] tested regularly. They didn't hide anything. And I've never had a positive test, not one. As a result of the Marlins' demands, the Major League Baseball Players Association has become involved in the negotiations. We've talked to the union about it, Tankersley said. We sought their guidance. But when the union writes the Commissioner's office, then the Commissioner writes the Marlins and the Marlins write us, it takes time. It's dragging this thing out. For fervent Alabama fans, there might be a glimmer of hope that Tankersley and the Marlins can't reach an agreement and the star pitcher will opt for another year of college, but Tankersley himself isn't currently referring to that as even a remote possibility. I've been somewhat disappointed in the way the Marlins have handled things, to put it mildly, Tankersley said. But at the same time, I'm still grateful that they drafted me in the first round, and I still want to play for them. I'm very fortunate. I'll be getting the kind of money that might never come my way again, and it will give me a head start in life. But I can't just go giving away my rights. It's a business, and you've got to stand firm on some things. We've made some progress. We've gotten closer in the past week, and there may be more [progress] in the next few days. I want to get it done, but it has to be handled right. Reach Cecil Hurt at [EMAIL PROTECTED], or (205) 722-0225. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: 'Croomgate leaves Shula looking petty
http://www.tidesports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040404/NEWS/404040383/1067 CECIL HURT: 'Croomgate leaves Shula looking petty April 04, 2004 Email this story. At some point today, Mike Shulas ship will dock in New Orleans and he will walk down the gangplank -- and probably wish that he could promptly turn around. Even a second spin about the Caribbean wont postpone the inevitable questions about Croomgate -- the decision to remove Mississippi State head coach Sylvester Crooms name from one of the University of Alabamas spring football awards. It hardly measures up to NCAA probation or Mike Prices lost weekend in terms of program-shaking importance. But thanks to the collision of bad judgment and bad timing, it has grown into an issue, one that wont reach closure until Shula has been asked about his reasons. If he doesnt address it this week, hell be asked about it at the SEC Spring Meetings in Destin, or the Media Days at the end of the summer. It is possible that Shula wont respond to the questions. He may simply say no comment. He may release a statement reiterating what UA spokesman Larry White said earlier this week -- that the new UA policy is that spring awards cant be named for head coaches at other SEC schools. It might be harsh to refer to that rationale as lame, but such logic doesnt exactly run a 4.4 40, either. Nonetheless, Shula may repeat that, proclaim the topic closed, and be content to accept the verdict that has already been rendered by media outlets from CBS to ESPN: that the decision was petty and short-sighted. On the surface, its hard to argue with that verdict. Not many people have tried, and most of the ones who have tried have taken the approach that Shula is in charge of the Alabama program, and can run it the way he sees fit. Thats not really the issue, though. Obviously, Shula is in charge of making decisions about the football program. He decides who starts at fullback, which sideline the team stands on, and whether or not the team should don red pants. He also can name spring awards after whomever he wants, whether its Bart Starr or Bart Simpson. But there is a difference between having that unquestioned authority and using it wisely. A good rule of thumb might be the dictum of Hippocrates -- first, do not harm. That seems to come into play here. Even after looking at the Croom decision from 15 different angles, its hard to see what the upside was, while the potential for harm -- or at least hurt feelings and bad publicity -- seem to loom as large as Big Als backside. Perhaps Shula has some additional information as to why it helped the Alabama program to make the change, but its hard to guess what it might be. The fact is that Croom is a former Crimson Tide player who has done well. The fact that he played at Alabama, then went on to become the first African-American head coach in the SEC, should be a source of pride, not a reason for erasure. Shula is not a racist, not by any stretch of the imagination. Furthermore, he shouldnt have to bear the brunt of the past 50 years of University of Alabama history. Shula didnt decide not to hire Croom. Shula didnt stand in the schoolhouse door. But the fact is, those are things that happened at Alabama, and the echoes of the past have to be taken into consideration when institutional decisions are made. It is frustrating that the national media revives those issues in connection with the University of Alabama -- but it isnt surprising. In fact, its inevitable. If someone in a position of authority at Alabama isnt cognizant of the potential ramifications of decisions like the one made in the Croom situation, then they should be. Its too late, apparently, to do no harm. But it isnt too late for Shula to share his side of the story, and at least bring an end to this fiasco. Cecil Hurt is sports editor of The Tuscaloosa News. Reach him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at (205) 722-0225. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: NCAA situation....
CECIL HURT: NCAA situation far from over in Memphis, courts January 14, 2004 Email this story. Last weeks NCAA letter from Thomas Yeager to University of Alabama President Robert Witt, calling a long-overdue halt to the possibility of institutional penalties arising from Alabamas 2002 infractions case, was a relatively commendable chapter in the long and unpleasant saga -- but it wasnt the final chapter, by any means. There are some good things about the letter. It signals a healthier future relationship between Alabama and the NCAA. It echoes other subtle signals from Indianapolis that the NCAA respects Witt. NCAA President Myles Brand didnt mention Witt by name in his keynote speech to the NCAA Convention in Nashville this week, but it was obvious that Brands glowing references to strong presidents taking a stand against coaches run amok was a clear allusion to Witts action in the Mike Price situation. For some, the promise of a more peaceful future is enough. Memphis is over. Since no revelations about the past can result in additional sanctions for Alabama, so the thinking goes, it is now best to move on. Thats not necessarily a bad way to look at things, particularly from an institutional standpoint. For Witt or Mike Shula, both of whom are unconnected to the events that caused so much turmoil in the Alabama program, the future is the proper place for emphasis. But that doesnt mean that the past should simply be forgotten, or unexamined, and it wont be. Due to pending legal actions in both civil cases and criminal cases, detailed exhumation of the Alabama case will continue -- and, like most exhumations, the results will not be pretty for anyone, including the NCAA. In particular, the criminal case against Logan Young has opened the NCAA archives to Youngs highly competent defense lawyers. Federal law assures them of access to virtually any materials needed to prepare a defense -- and that includes audiotapes and transcripts of information that many individuals thought would remain confidential, because the NCAA said that would be the case. People will say all sorts of things confidentially. Thats one reason why the NCAA bylaws contain a prohibition on the use of such confidential source testimony, and its the main reason that the Infractions Committees use of such testimony was short-sighted and stupid, regardless of what stipulations someone at Alabama might have made to allow its use. And once Youngs attorneys have access to the confidential records, they will soon become part of the civil arena as well, in the pending Ronnie Cottrell/Ivy Williams lawsuit, the Wendell Smith lawsuit and the lawsuits of other disassociated boosters that will be filed before too long. Intellectually speaking, the Alabama case is a huge, writhing monster that no one has yet wrestled entirely into submission. Ive analyzed it for years (some might say ad nauseum), and have been as subject to blind spots as anyone, but I do have one opinion that has remained unchanged since Feb. 2, 2002. Regardless of the NCAAs intent in the Alabama case, the ultimate effect was to sound the death-knell for any sort of co-operation from a school that has allegedly broken the rules. The past two years have simply reinforced that view. No other school has received penalties remotely approaching those that Alabama received. In the one instance where the Committee on Infractions seemed to come close -- the Michigan basketball case -- the Appeals Committee, in a transparently political decision, blithely reduced the penalties to little more than time served. Now, courtroom revelations in the coming days and weeks will also show that the NCAA cannot even live up to its guarantees of confidentiality. If you dont think those lessons have been learned elsewhere, just look at Auburns aggressive defense in its current basketball case. In practical terms, Alabama has served its sanctions, or will have served them all when the reduced signing class of 2004 is wrapped up early next month. From that point, nothing can be reduced and, the NCAA has promised, nothing will be added. But has the last shot been fired? Not by a long shot. Cecil Hurt is sports editor of The Tuscaloosa News. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tidesports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040114/NEWS/401140318/1067 __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: It's over -- for now
CECIL HURT: It's over -- for now November 30, 2003 HONOLULU | Well, it's over. Nothing much needs to be said other than that. A supremely forgettable season ended with a supremely forgettable game, Alabama's loss to Hawaii followed the same script as the season. Alabama looked good early, missed some opportunities, encountered some adversity, missed more opportunities, then faded away down the stretch. Mathematically, it doesn't matter much. A 4-9 record is worse than 5-8, but not by much. Hopefully, Mike Shula will learn from it all. Shula's vacation, such as it is, will last only one more day, with a Monday return to Tuscaloosa. His honeymoon, such as it has been, won't last much longer. Expectations next year may not be at SEC Championship levels, but they will be higher than a final record of substantially less than .500 will support. The problems of 2003 will be attributed to outside causes -- the weird transition, the NCAA -- if Alabama shows improvement next season. If not, it will be ascribed increasingly to coaching. The Hawaii game did nothing to delay that. Alabama had a couple of good offensive series, then went stagnant. It got back into the game on special teams, and threw away chances to put Hawaii away. The team that never learned how to win looked lost at the end. The bowl ban is over. The shotgun wedding of Mike Shula and staff to players they didn't recruit and had barely coached has ended. A season has been wasted. The recent turn of events at the two SEC schools nearest to Tuscaloosa will increase the scrutiny on Shula as well. The ongoing soap opera, The Travails of Tommy Tuberville, has many ramifications, but one repercussion of that resounding vote of no-confidence from the Auburn administration is this: Alabama will be expected to pull even with, or ahead of, the AU program in short order. Meanwhile, if Mississippi State is able to follow through on its good idea to hire Sylvester Croom, there will be constant comparisons between the former player Alabama did hire, and the former player that it didn't. In both cases, that will mean added pressure on Shula. That pressure can only be relieved by one thing -- winning. That starts with securing players on two fronts -- from the pool of recruits, and from the current team. At least two important linemen, Justin Smiley and Antwan Odom, will be looking into NFL possibilities and Alabama would probably be doing well to retain one of them. Quarterback Brodie Croyle is scheduled to have surgery on his damaged left shoulder next week and his availability for spring practice will be curtailed, at best. Because of its Hawaii trip, Alabama's staff will lose a couple of recruiting days next week, with the Tide coaches getting on the road Wednesday instead of Monday. The Tide will try to make up for that by having several prospects come in for December official visits rather than waiting until January. The image that Alabama will try to project to those visitors will be one of stability. There has been no word on whether Shula will replace any assistant coaches, or one, or two, or six. The Tide head coach is extremely close to the vest with such information. But his attitude in recent weeks seems to have been one that stresses continuity, and the importance of strong coach-player relationships in a program that has been lacking in both recently. That doesn't sound like a man who is planning to clean house. On the other hand, Shula does understand the importance of the coming season. It must be approached with urgency. The 2003 season can be forgotten, someday. The 2004 season cannot be. ~~~ __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: It's over -- for now
In a message dated 11/30/03 8:11:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Monday return to Tuscaloosa. His honeymoon, such as it has been, won't last much longer. the Honeymoon is already over..sad to sayShula wont have nearly as much time to produce as Mike Dubose did... __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt Article:
The University of Alabama football team is coming off a much-needed open week, but is having to learn a new set of moves. Just call it the Offensive Line Shuffle. The Tide wasn't blessed with depth up front to begin with, but problems really started to develop when All-SEC tackle Wesley Britt went down early in the Tide's five-overtime loss to Tennessee. His broken leg pushed Atlas Herrion, who had been playing at guard, back to the left tackle position. Later, when guard Dennis Alexander twisted an ankle, Danny Martz was pressed into action. With Matt Lomax already sharing time with J.B. Closner at center, that essentially depleted the small pool of experienced depth that Alabama had available. We're thin, Tide coach Mike Shula admitted at his Tuesday press conference. But with the guys we have, we can operate smoothly offensively. The biggest concern, of course, is for starting quarterback Brodie Croyle, who has managed to last through the Tide's two most recent games despite his suspect left shoulder. Britt has been one of the stalwarts in protecting Croyle, although Herrion did play most of the Tennessee game with no noticeable breakdown in protection. I don't think we'll have to change the offense, Croyle said after Tuesday's practice. Atlas did a fine job against Tennessee. I felt just as good setting up and throwing behind him as I did with Wesley. Alexander did not participate in the practice and was wearing an orthopedic boot on his sprained left ankle, but said he felt good about his chances of playing against Mississippi State. I'm just wearing the boot to take a little weight off the ankle, he said. I'm going to try to practice [today]. If Alexander cannot play, the Tide's backups will be Von Ewing and Mark Sanders, young players with virtually no game experience. We even had the guys that we are thinking of redshirting, guys who aren't going to play, taking reps with the second team, Shula said. That's good for the future of our team. That would be the long-term future that Shula means. In the immediate future -- in other words, the next four games -- the Tide will simply have to do the best with what he has. That includes working players like Herrion and Lomax at multiple positions, and hoping. It's difficult, but we've got to close ranks and move on, said guard Justin Smiley, who will have to take over Britt's leadership role. I believe in Atlas' abilities [at tackle]. You have to approach it like that. If you worry about things too much and don't trust the guy next to you, you're going to have some trouble. We're in a new season now, a four-game season. This game coming up is huge, because we want to win the rest of our games. There is no way I want to have a losing season. Smiley says that if that means being more vocal, he'll do it. We've got to provide leadership for the young guys, Smiley said. They are good players. Danny Martz has played a little, maybe not as much as he deserves. I've just got to reassure him, and the other guys, that they can play and dominate at this level. They just have to step in there and do it. One thing seems certain -- they will get their chance. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: Former QB hasn't faced QB controversy
http://tinyurl.com/l0xa Roll Tide!! Slef E. - - Original Message - From: SAR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bunch of homos..join your priest buddy in prision. ScR __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on PF
That doesn't equate to be a great LB in my opinion. Great are Borneliius Bennett and Derrick Thomas. He is neither. Lee -Original Message- From: Steven Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:17 PM To: Devonna Snuggs; RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on PF If Brooks isn't a great linebacker then why did he lead the team last year with 110 tackles? RTR LC --- Devonna Snuggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said he does not think BD is a great LB and was shocked he was named All SEC First Team __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on PF
Cause the defensive line couldn't tackle? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Johnson Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 12:17 PM To: Devonna Snuggs; RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on PF If Brooks isn't a great linebacker then why did he lead the team last year with 110 tackles? __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on PF
Said he does not think BD is a great LB and was shocked he was named All SEC First Team __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on PF
Me too. I would put the 2 at au, Kevin Burnette from ut ahead of him. Lee -Original Message- From: Devonna Snuggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt on PF Said he does not think BD is a great LB and was shocked he was named All SEC First Team __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt
For the love! I don't understand the need for AM - Radio to 'power down' in sync with the setting sun. Anyway I caught bits and pieces of Cecil Hurt on Finebaum today. As best I could decipher, Hurt was saying the impending football scholarship reductions would likely be in the neighborhood of TWENTY, over a three year period. Certainly not good news. Let's just hope it doesn't get worse. Roll Tide!! Slef
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt
The ionosphere that AM frequency radio waves bounce off of RISES after the sun sets and pressure from the solar wind is no longer holding it down. Therefore AM stations have a **MUCH** greater range on their signal at night, and a corresponding need for smaller stations to cut power. The big stations that are allowed by the FCC to maintain full power can be picked up 1,000 miles away. On I-65 outside of Hartselle around midnight I can pick up WWL (N'awlins), WLW (Cinci), WABC (New York), WSB (Atlanta), WLS (Chicago), and KSAT (San Antonio). WABC in NYC is 770 AM. If WVNN (770 AM) in Huntsville (and all of the other 770's) didn't power down I wouldn't be able to pick up WABC clear as a bell. bill evansHartselle, AL[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:48:03 -0600 "Jeff Todd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the love! I don't understand the need for AM - Radio to 'power down' in sync with the setting sun. Anyway I caught bits and pieces of Cecil Hurt on Finebaum today. As best I could decipher, Hurt was saying the impending football scholarship reductions would likely be in the neighborhood of TWENTY, over a three year period. Certainly not good news. Let's just hope it doesn't get worse. Roll Tide!! Slef
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt
Isn't that something that dates back to WWII? (Clear channels?) Seems to me that communications have improved to the point that the FCC should drop that plan. Slef -Original Message-From: William H Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:14 PMSubject: Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt Therefore AM stations have a **MUCH** greater range on their signal at night, and a corresponding need for smaller stations to cut power. The big stations that are allowed by the FCC to maintain full power can be picked up 1,000 miles away.
Re: [RollTideFan] Cecil Hurt
Trying to remember back to my radio up-bringins'...AM has to power down if on a clear channel due to an agreement between US and Mexico. My family's AM station powers down to 1,000 watts at night, I believe, then has to be directional. A few years back they had to turn off totally at sundown ( which was 4:45 in the winter, as I remember!!). Could be way off base, but that's what I remember. Roll Tide. Jim D. To unsubscribe from this list just send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a BLANK subject line and the single word UNSUBSCRIBE (without the quotes) in the body or visit http://www.RollTideFan.net
