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Re: [scifinoir2] Maria Bello to star in "Mummy 3"

[Astromancer]

LOL@ Jet LiWhoa, I just finished reading this...Jet Li, huh?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Huh, i didn't know there was going to be a 
third Mummy flick. I thought the second was only fair. Maybe with Jet Li it'll 
be cool. I'm skeptical...

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Bello Takes Over In Mummy 3

Maria Bello, who co-stars in the upcoming sequel film The Mummy: Tomb of the 
Dragon Emperor, told SCI FI Wire that she plays a kick-ass version of the 
character originated by Rachel Weisz. 

Bello, who won wide acclaim for 2005's A History of Violence, spoke at the 
Toronto International Film Festival and added that she dyed her normally blond 
hair auburn for the sequel. "Yeah, it's for a film role. It's for Mummy 3, and 
I love it," she said. 

Bello, who took time off from filming in Montreal to appear at the film 
festival to promote The Jane Austen Book Club, takes over the role of Evelyn 
Carnahan from Weisz, who played the character in the first two Mummy movies but 
bowed out of the third. 

"She has the same name, but she's a very different character than Rachel 
played," Bello said in an interview. "She's a bad-ass action chick. I had to 
train a lot. I had to do wushu, a martial-art form, some kickboxing, 
swordfighting, rifle training for a couple of months before we even started 
shooting." Bello added: "It's the role of my dreams. It is just a blast." 

Bello will soon join co-stars Brendan Fraser and Jet Li for two months of 
shooting in China. 

Bello said that after a few weeks of rehearsal, she sustained a black eye after 
getting butted by a Winchester rifle, but added that she's fine now. "I'm 
looking forward to the doll, too, though," she said cryptically. The Mummy: 
Tomb of the Dragon Emperor opens Aug. 1, 2008. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[Astromancer]

We aren't going to fix it, but the point is to exhaust all our 
options...Unfortunately that is going to take some more time...and cost more 
lives...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I agree to an extent. The problem is that fixing a 
country like this could take a decade or more, and no one in the administration 
wants to discuss real time. They keep dropping stuff like "stay the course", 
"let Iraq stand up so we can stand down", etc. Generalities can go on for 
generations. Petraeus's speech didn't much help pin down a timeline.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Unfortunately, we'll do more damage if we leave Iraq now...We made a mess over 
there...if we leave now, we're asking for other countries we've made enemies of 
to screw with us...I know it doesn't make sense, but for some reason, when we 
pull out of a fight, people tend to think of us as wimps...very dumb getting 
involved in the first place, very dumb to walk away now...

Bosco Bosco wrote: Keith

Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in the
minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?

It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
that.

B
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
> care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a
> year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
> a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or
> compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
> subscribe to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
> causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
> world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
> the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
> such a dumba** statement 
> 
> *
> 
> Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
> impotent"
> WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
> homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader
> is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread
> anti-American propaganda.
> The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
> attracted international attention with the release of a video in
> which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
> the world that he not been captured.
> Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
> White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
> diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
> masterminded those attacks.
> "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
> "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
> other than these tapes."
> In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
> impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen
> with careful purpose.
> "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
> it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing
> more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
> Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
> bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by
> saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq
> is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
> Laden by name.
> The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that bin
> Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
> Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
> Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
> Intelligence Estimate says al-Qaida is growing in strength,
> intensifying its efforts to put operatives in the United States and
> plotting against U.S. targets that will cause massive casualties.
> The U.S. is in a "heightened threat environment" and al-Qaida is
> the most serious threat, the analysts found.
> The tape was the first time bin Laden had appeared in a new video
> since 2004. In the recording, bin Laden tells Americans they should
> convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end. He makes no
> overt threats and does not directly call for attacks.
> "While he may be physically contained, his influence is not bounded
> by any physical barriers," said Thomas Sanderson, an authority on
> terrorism at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
> "Obviously, in a sense, it does not matter that we've got him
> trapped in a cave. He has sent forth enough messages to incite
> violence worldwide against us," he said in an interview Sunday.
> Townsend said experts are doing a technical analysis, looking for
> clues about bin Laden's health and whereabouts.
> "There's nothing overtly obvious in the tape that

Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast Cable in Dispute with Big Ten Network

[Astromancer]

Anyone but Comcast...(spit!)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  who will you choose instead?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
As soon as I can, I'm gone from Comcast...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got the below letter from my cable provider today 
detailing how the Big Ten Network is trying to bilk me for more cash. And they 
keep telling us that new technology will *expand* our choices. Yet every new 
tech, every new method of delivering information or services, finds someone who 
manages to put restrictions and meters on it asking me for more dough. How the 
BTN can demand that this be added--with an accompanying increase in the pennies 
i pay for cable--is beyond me.

What's just as funny, though, is that Comcast is giving me the "we want to save 
you money" speech. Cable companies still foist a lot of stuff on me that I 
don't want and didn't ask for (Gold Channel, anyone?). And yet, with all this 
fancy tech, I can't pick and choose what channels I want on an a la carte 
basis. I have to pay for packages that include stuff I don't want at all. And 
while we're on it, someone explain to me why cable boxes themselves can't be 
standardized and bought off the shelf from electronic stores like phones, for a 
one-time payment? This ridiculous idea that we have to pay rental for boxes is 
crazy. And isn't this the same cable company that's on board in the whole Net 
Neutrality debate, wanting to provide higher speed service for "higher tier" 
customers who pay more, and put limitations on everything from available 
content to what search engines I can use?

As long as humans don't change, all the tech in the world just gives new ways 
to charge people. And as for taking care of me? Comcast set up an appointment a 
week ago to show up today to fix my cable box. Made me stay at home for a 
three-hour window--and never showed up. So much for "doing the right thing" for 
their customers...

***
An Open Letter to Our Customers:

As you may have heard, the Big Ten college athletic conference and its partner 
Fox Cable Networks launched a new national TV sports network — the Big Ten 
Network (BTN) — on August 30. Comcast wants to make the BTN available to fans 
of Big Ten sports, but Fox's BTN has demanded that Comcast and every other 
cable and satellite company make it part of their "expanded basic" service in 
every home in all Big Ten states, and they want our customers to pay them 
hundreds of millions of dollars for the programming. In addition, the Big Ten 
is demanding that we carry this new network as part of our digital basic 
package nationally.

We'd like you to know that we want to carry the BTN and are working to reach an 
agreement with them that would let us add the network to our Sports 
Entertainment Package. That way, the BTN would be available for those customers 
who want to pay for it on our Sports Entertainment Package, while customers who 
don't care to watch Big Ten university sports would not have to be burdened 
with an extra charge.

At Comcast, we love sports and have always enthusiastically supported 
collegiate and pro sports programming. Comcast will show almost 100 NFL games 
this season. In addition, we will air 150 college football games with the best 
of the Big Ten schedule through our carriage of ABC, NBC, CBS and ESPN. It is 
important to understand that, although the Big Ten has already contracted away 
most of its major games to other networks, it is still demanding the second 
highest carriage fee for any national network — second only to ESPN.

The Big Ten and Fox see huge revenue opportunities in creating their own 
network and want to charge Comcast customers hundreds of millions of dollars to 
watch it on expanded basic. We believe that our offer to carry Fox's BTN on a 
sports tier best protects the interests of all of our customers, including Big 
Ten fans.

As of today, Fox's BTN remains unwilling to allow Comcast and other major cable 
companies to carry it as part of our Sports Entertainment Package, which is the 
home for comparable programming including the NFL Network.
We ask for your support and patience as we continue to do the right thing for 
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Re: [scifinoir2] New Highlander Movie Debuting on SciFi Channel This Saturday

[Astromancer]

DAMMIT!!! I hate Comcast!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I saw a trailer from this flick several 
months ago, I think from a Russian release. Believe I dropped the link to the 
group, in fact. The creators say that any version other than the one being 
aired this Saturday is not officially approved, however. Not sure how I feel 
about this. I don't usually like when beings of mysticism like the immortals 
discover the source of their powers: it tends to ruin the mystery. But more, 
the Highlander movies have all sucked (all but the first), especially when 
compared to the TV series. I'm a little nervous about the quality of this 
upcoming trilogy.
But of course I'll be there Saturday night



About Highlander on SciFi Channel: 
http://www.scifi.com/highlander5/

Official Highlander site:
http://www.highlander-thesource.com/news-updates.html

Celebrating 20 years of The Legend, Davis-Panzer Productions, Sequence Films 
and Grosvenor Park are proud to announce the upcoming 2007 release of 
HIGHLANDER: The Source. Brett Leonard is the director with Adrian Paul playing 
the immortal Scottish swordsman, Duncan MacLeod. This new adventure, starring 
Adrian Paul is the first feature in the Trilogy. The Source tells the story of 
Immortals as they quest to locate the Holy Grail of their world. The entire 
series of films will chronicle the origins of the Immortals.

Director Brett Leonard commented "This is a tremendous opportunity for a 
storyteller of this genre to take part in the mythology of 20 years." He 
continues that "HIGHLANDER is an amazing ongoing story that I can bring my 
visual style to... Everything I have done has led me to this kind of mythical 
fantasy."

Brett Leonard pioneered the creation of digital visual effects in filmmaking 
with 1992's Lawnmower Man, he also directed 1995's Virtuosity, and most 
recently completed Marvel's Man-Thing. He is heralded as a maverick in science 
fiction, fantasy and adventure by creating films with a strong visual presence.

Peter Davis of Davis-Panzer Productions noted, "We are truly celebrating this 
milestone in HIGHLANDER history by pairing Brett and Adrian in our newest 
Trilogy. We anticipate that this combination will recapture the filming glory 
of the original HIGHLANDER."

Davis-Panzer Productions is busy further immortalizing the Clan MacLeod during 
the series' twentieth year with an anime feature film in partnership with Imagi 
and Madhouse of Japan and a video game with SCI Games Ltd. of London. There is 
no limit when your story is timeless and Immortal! 
HIGHLANDER: The Source will be distributed in North America through Lions Gate 
Films and in 40 foreign territories through the top independent distributors.

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[scifinoir2] Maria Bello to star in "Mummy 3"

[KeithBJohnson]

Huh, i didn't know there was going to be a third Mummy flick. I thought the 
second was only fair. Maybe with Jet Li it'll be cool. I'm skeptical...
  
**

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=3&id=44010

Bello Takes Over In Mummy 3

Maria Bello, who co-stars in the upcoming sequel film The Mummy: Tomb of the 
Dragon Emperor, told SCI FI Wire that she plays a kick-ass version of the 
character originated by Rachel Weisz. 

Bello, who won wide acclaim for 2005's A History of Violence, spoke at the 
Toronto International Film Festival and added that she dyed her normally blond 
hair auburn for the sequel. "Yeah, it's for a film role. It's for Mummy 3, and 
I love it," she said. 

Bello, who took time off from filming in Montreal to appear at the film 
festival to promote The Jane Austen Book Club, takes over the role of Evelyn 
Carnahan from Weisz, who played the character in the first two Mummy movies but 
bowed out of the third. 

"She has the same name, but she's a very different character than Rachel 
played," Bello said in an interview. "She's a bad-ass action chick. I had to 
train a lot. I had to do wushu, a martial-art form, some kickboxing, 
swordfighting, rifle training for a couple of months before we even started 
shooting." Bello added: "It's the role of my dreams. It is just a blast." 

Bello will soon join co-stars Brendan Fraser and Jet Li for two months of 
shooting in China. 

Bello said that after a few weeks of rehearsal, she sustained a black eye after 
getting butted by a Winchester rifle, but added that she's fine now. "I'm 
looking forward to the doll, too, though," she said cryptically. The Mummy: 
Tomb of the Dragon Emperor opens Aug. 1, 2008. 

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[scifinoir2] New Highlander Movie Debuting on SciFi Channel This Saturday

[KeithBJohnson]

I saw a trailer from this flick several months ago, I think from a Russian 
release. Believe I dropped the link to the group, in fact. The creators say 
that any version other than the one being aired this Saturday is not officially 
approved, however. Not sure how I feel about this. I don't usually like when 
beings of mysticism like the immortals discover the source of their powers: it 
tends to ruin the mystery. But more, the Highlander movies have all sucked (all 
but the first), especially when compared to the TV series. I'm a little nervous 
about the quality of this upcoming trilogy.
But of course I'll be there Saturday night



About Highlander on SciFi Channel: 
http://www.scifi.com/highlander5/


Official Highlander site:
http://www.highlander-thesource.com/news-updates.html

Celebrating 20 years of The Legend, Davis-Panzer Productions, Sequence Films 
and Grosvenor Park are proud to announce the upcoming 2007 release of 
HIGHLANDER: The Source. Brett Leonard is the director with Adrian Paul playing 
the immortal Scottish swordsman, Duncan MacLeod. This new adventure, starring 
Adrian Paul is the first feature in the Trilogy. The Source tells the story of 
Immortals as they quest to locate the Holy Grail of their world. The entire 
series of films will chronicle the origins of the Immortals.

Director Brett Leonard commented "This is a tremendous opportunity for a 
storyteller of this genre to take part in the mythology of 20 years." He 
continues that "HIGHLANDER is an amazing ongoing story that I can bring my 
visual style to... Everything I have done has led me to this kind of mythical 
fantasy."

Brett Leonard pioneered the creation of digital visual effects in filmmaking 
with 1992's Lawnmower Man, he also directed 1995's Virtuosity, and most 
recently completed Marvel's Man-Thing. He is heralded as a maverick in science 
fiction, fantasy and adventure by creating films with a strong visual presence.

Peter Davis of Davis-Panzer Productions noted, "We are truly celebrating this 
milestone in HIGHLANDER history by pairing Brett and Adrian in our newest 
Trilogy. We anticipate that this combination will recapture the filming glory 
of the original HIGHLANDER."

Davis-Panzer Productions is busy further immortalizing the Clan MacLeod during 
the series' twentieth year with an anime feature film in partnership with Imagi 
and Madhouse of Japan and a video game with SCI Games Ltd. of London. There is 
no limit when your story is timeless and Immortal! 
HIGHLANDER: The Source will be distributed in North America through Lions Gate 
Films and in 40 foreign territories through the top independent distributors.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast Cable in Dispute with Big Ten Network

[KeithBJohnson]

who will you choose instead?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
As soon as I can, I'm gone from Comcast...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got the below letter from my cable provider today 
detailing how the Big Ten Network is trying to bilk me for more cash. And they 
keep telling us that new technology will *expand* our choices. Yet every new 
tech, every new method of delivering information or services, finds someone who 
manages to put restrictions and meters on it asking me for more dough. How the 
BTN can demand that this be added--with an accompanying increase in the pennies 
i pay for cable--is beyond me.

What's just as funny, though, is that Comcast is giving me the "we want to save 
you money" speech. Cable companies still foist a lot of stuff on me that I 
don't want and didn't ask for (Gold Channel, anyone?). And yet, with all this 
fancy tech, I can't pick and choose what channels I want on an a la carte 
basis. I have to pay for packages that include stuff I don't want at all. And 
while we're on it, someone explain to me why cable boxes themselves can't be 
standardized and bought off the shelf from electronic stores like phones, for a 
one-time payment? This ridiculous idea that we have to pay rental for boxes is 
crazy. And isn't this the same cable company that's on board in the whole Net 
Neutrality debate, wanting to provide higher speed service for "higher tier" 
customers who pay more, and put limitations on everything from available 
content to what search engines I can use?

As long as humans don't change, all the tech in the world just gives new ways 
to charge people. And as for taking care of me? Comcast set up an appointment a 
week ago to show up today to fix my cable box. Made me stay at home for a 
three-hour window--and never showed up. So much for "doing the right thing" for 
their customers...

***
An Open Letter to Our Customers:

As you may have heard, the Big Ten college athletic conference and its partner 
Fox Cable Networks launched a new national TV sports network — the Big Ten 
Network (BTN) — on August 30. Comcast wants to make the BTN available to fans 
of Big Ten sports, but Fox's BTN has demanded that Comcast and every other 
cable and satellite company make it part of their "expanded basic" service in 
every home in all Big Ten states, and they want our customers to pay them 
hundreds of millions of dollars for the programming. In addition, the Big Ten 
is demanding that we carry this new network as part of our digital basic 
package nationally.

We'd like you to know that we want to carry the BTN and are working to reach an 
agreement with them that would let us add the network to our Sports 
Entertainment Package. That way, the BTN would be available for those customers 
who want to pay for it on our Sports Entertainment Package, while customers who 
don't care to watch Big Ten university sports would not have to be burdened 
with an extra charge.

At Comcast, we love sports and have always enthusiastically supported 
collegiate and pro sports programming. Comcast will show almost 100 NFL games 
this season. In addition, we will air 150 college football games with the best 
of the Big Ten schedule through our carriage of ABC, NBC, CBS and ESPN. It is 
important to understand that, although the Big Ten has already contracted away 
most of its major games to other networks, it is still demanding the second 
highest carriage fee for any national network — second only to ESPN.

The Big Ten and Fox see huge revenue opportunities in creating their own 
network and want to charge Comcast customers hundreds of millions of dollars to 
watch it on expanded basic. We believe that our offer to carry Fox's BTN on a 
sports tier best protects the interests of all of our customers, including Big 
Ten fans.

As of today, Fox's BTN remains unwilling to allow Comcast and other major cable 
companies to carry it as part of our Sports Entertainment Package, which is the 
home for comparable programming including the NFL Network.
We ask for your support and patience as we continue to do the right thing for 
our customers. If you would like to learn more about the facts on this matter, 
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Check out this link and check out the first few pages of this engaging
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Re: [scifinoir2] Roswell Creator Joins Bionic Woman Production

[KeithBJohnson]

I'm actually a bit intrigued. When I first heard about it, I was dismissive, 
because I was afraid it was gonna be another "Buffy" take. I'm getting a bit 
tired of the young, barely adult vulnerable girl character nowadays. But when i 
saw a couple of trailers and Miguel Ferrer (who, unfortunately, seems to only 
be in the pilot) i was interested. i also love the scenes of her running and 
jumping like Superman.  The darker tone--so unlike the often corny 
original--might also be interesting. 
Imma give it a chance. Of course, with all the changes, who knows what it'll be 
like after half a dozen shows?

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Am I the only person here who is highly apathetic about this? Seriously, I'm 
more juiced up about seeing the last ep of "Paincauser Jane", because I'll be 
able to leap over into their forum afterward and ridicule them endlessly.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: NBC 
has drafted one of its MVPs to tinker with Bionic Woman.

According to sources, Friday Night Lights executive producer Jason 
Katims has agreed to lend a helping hand on the Peacock's highly touted 
redo as a consultant. The move comes less than a week after the abrupt 
exit of Bionic boss Glen Morgan, apparently over creative differences.

I'm told Katims will split his time between Bionic and FNL. And I think 
I speak for FNL fans when I say our brilliant little show better not 
suffer as a result. I do speak for you guys, right!?

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Re: [scifinoir2] Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[KeithBJohnson]

I agree to an extent. The problem is that fixing a country like this could take 
a decade or more, and no one in the administration wants to discuss real time. 
They keep dropping stuff like "stay the course", "let Iraq stand up so we can 
stand down", etc. Generalities can go on for generations. Petraeus's speech 
didn't much help pin down a timeline.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Unfortunately, we'll do more damage if we leave Iraq now...We made a mess over 
there...if we leave now, we're asking for other countries we've made enemies of 
to screw with us...I know it doesn't make sense, but for some reason, when we 
pull out of a fight, people tend to think of us as wimps...very dumb getting 
involved in the first place, very dumb to walk away now...

Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Keith

Isn't it possible that if you minimize the threat of Bin Laden in the
minds of the people then you can justify increased costs of doing
other things besides looking for him, like the Iraq war?

It's some kind of Orwellian conservo mind game. I'd lay money there
were folks behind her telling her to say it for reasons just like
that.

B
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't
> care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a
> year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to
> a dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or
> compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who
> subscribe to his beliefs. Doesn't this idiot lady get the root
> causes of 9/11 and so much of the hatred America faces in the
> world? Does she not get that pure military might is the least of
> the obstacles we face in the world. Absolutely amazing she can make
> such a dumba** statement 
> 
> *
> 
> Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually
> impotent"
> WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's
> homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader
> is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread
> anti-American propaganda.
> The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden
> attracted international attention with the release of a video in
> which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds
> the world that he not been captured.
> Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes,
> White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to
> diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who
> masterminded those attacks.
> "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin Laden.
> "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent
> other than these tapes."
> In appearance on two Sunday talk shows, she used the "virtually
> impotent" reference both times, suggesting the language was chosen
> with careful purpose.
> "We know that al-Qaida is still determined to attack, and we take
> it seriously," Townsend said. "But this tape appears to be nothing
> more than threats. It's propaganda on their part."
> Townsend was considerably more direct than even Bush in rebuking
> bin Laden. The president responded to bin Laden's tape last week by
> saying it was a reminder that the world is dangerous and that Iraq
> is part of the war against extremists. He never identified bin
> Laden by name.
> The consensus of the nation's top intelligence analysts is that bin
> Laden's terrorist network is anything but impotent.
> Terrorism experts say the network is regrouping in the lawless
> Pakistan-Afghanistan border region. The latest National
> Intelligence Estimate says al-Qaida is growing in strength,
> intensifying its efforts to put operatives in the United States and
> plotting against U.S. targets that will cause massive casualties.
> The U.S. is in a "heightened threat environment" and al-Qaida is
> the most serious threat, the analysts found.
> The tape was the first time bin Laden had appeared in a new video
> since 2004. In the recording, bin Laden tells Americans they should
> convert to Islam if they want the war in Iraq to end. He makes no
> overt threats and does not directly call for attacks.
> "While he may be physically contained, his influence is not bounded
> by any physical barriers," said Thomas Sanderson, an authority on
> terrorism at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
> "Obviously, in a sense, it does not matter that we've got him
> trapped in a cave. He has sent forth enough messages to incite
> violence worldwide against us," he said in an interview Sunday.
> Townsend said experts are doing a technical analysis, looking for
> clues about bin Laden's health and whereabouts.
> "There's nothing overtly obvious in the tape that would suggest
> this is a trigger for an attack," she said.
> She emphasized another finding from the intelligence estimate
> released in

Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Astromancer]

The automated call systems...

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[Astromancer]

No, the ending to the last miniseries was a bad omen...

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The TV series never should've been 
done. Sooner a sequel on the mini-series.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My complaint about the TV series is that 
they had pretty people and it sucked...

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action and character. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

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Re: [scifinoir2] The Fall TV Line Up - what do you like

[Martin]

Take that back, Daryle. Please...

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Let's 
see...last year I said '"Heroes" sounded like an awesome show, too
 bad it'll be cancelled...'
 
 This year I'll go with "Journeyman" as the hit to be cancelled, "Reaper" as
 the show that loses its way half season, and "Pushing Daisies" to be this
 year's "Dresden Files".
 
 On 9/11/07 5:26 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
 > The fall season is about to start.  there are a number of speculative
 > fiction shows premiering.  Below is  list with brief descriptions.  Are
 > there any that you are looking forward to seeing?  Which ones do you
 > think are duds?  Will any of them make it?
 > 
 > 
 > ELI STONE (ABC) - "Many lawyers consider themselves prophets, but Eli
 > Stone may be the real deal. Eli has built a successful career at a top
 > law firm in San Francisco representing only the biggest and richest
 > corporations that make a habit of screwing over the little guy. But
 > after experiencing a series of odd hallucinations, Eli seeks to find a
 > deeper meaning to life while trying not to lose his job and destroy his
 > relationship with the bosses' daughter. When Eli discovers an aneurysm
 > in his brain, he wonders if his condition is truly medical or if perhaps
 > he now has a higher calling."
 > 
 > 
 > PUSHING DAISIES (ABC) - From Bryan Fuller ("Heroes") and Barry
 > Sonnenfeld ("Men in Black") comes an unprecedented blend of romance,
 > crime procedural and high-concept fantasy in a forensic fairytale about
 > a young man with a very special gift. Once upon a time, a mild-mannered
 > boy named Ned realized he could touch dead things and bring them back to
 > life. Grown-up Ned puts his ability to good use, not only touching dead
 > fruit and making it ripe with everlasting flavor, but working with an
 > investigator to crack murder cases by asking the deceased to name their
 > killers. But the tale gets complicated, as all tales do, when Ned brings
 > his childhood sweetheart, Chuck, back from the dead and keeps her alive.
 > Chuck encourages him to use his power to help others, instead of merely
 > solving mysteries and collecting the rewards. Life would be perfect for
 > Ned and Chuck, except for one cruel twist: If he ever touches her again,
 > she'll go back to being dead, this time for good."
 > 
 > REAPER (The CW) - "For the first 20 years of his life, Sam (Bret
 > Harrison, "The Loop," "Grounded for Life") wondered why his parents went
 > so easy on him. Whether it was school, sports or career choices, Sam's
 > mom (Allison Hossack, "Falcon Beach") and dad (Andrew Airlie, "The L
 > Word") always let him get by with the least possible effort, while at
 > the same time pressuring his younger brother Keith (Kyle Switzer,
 > "15/Love") to excel. As a result, Sam skipped college, took a dead-end
 > job and now wastes endless hours playing video games and wishing he had
 > the guts to ask out his pretty co-worker, Andi (Nikki Reed, "Thirteen,"
 > "The O.C."). Everything in his slacker world changes the day Sam turns
 > 21 and discovers the ungodly reason his parents let him slide: they sold
 > his soul to the devil before he was born. Satan himself (Ray Wise, "24,"
 > "The Closer") drops by to personally explain that Sam must now serve as
 > his bounty hunter, tracking down evil souls that have escaped and
 > returning them to Hell. At first, Sam refuses to accept his bizarre
 > fate, but after getting just a glimpse of Satan's temper, Sam realizes
 > that breaking a deal with the devil has consequences that are very, very bad
 > 
 > THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (FOX) - Sarah vanquished the liquid metal
 > Terminator sent from the future to kill her teenage son, John. Sarah and
 > John now find themselves alone in a very dangerous, complicated world.
 > Fugitives from the law, they are confronted with the reality that still
 > more enemies from the future, and the present, could attack at any
 > moment. THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES reveals what happens when SARAH
 > (Lena Headey, "The Brothers Grimm," "300") stops running and goes on the
 > offensive against an ever-evolving technological enemy bent on
 > destroying her life, and perhaps the world.
 > 
 > BIONIC WOMAN (NBC) The network's description: "Struggling as a bartender
 > and surrogate mom to her teenage sister, Jaime Sommers (Michelle Ryan,
 > "EastEnders") didn't think life could get much harder. But when a
 > devastating car accident leaves her at death's door, Jaime's only hope
 > for survival is a cutting-edge, top-secret technology that comes at a
 > hefty price. With a whole new existence and a debt to re-pay, Jaime must
 > figure out how to use her extraordinary abilities for good, while
 > weighing the personal sacrifices she will have to make. Ultimately, it's
 > Jaime's journey of self-discovery and inner strength that will help her
 > embrace her new life as the Bionic Woman

Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Martin]

The TV series never should've been done. Sooner a sequel on the mini-series.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   My 
complaint about the TV series is that they had pretty people and it sucked...
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The first Diane was cool. She was charming 
and devious. I don't want a Diana 
 that looks like the Vulcan chick from Enterprise. She can't act, She has fish 
 lips and no personality. I don't want a remake of Battlestar or Xena . I want 
 action and character. 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Iron Man Trailer

[Astromancer]

Kitty Likes!!

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  That's him, and I liked the casting 
from the minute I heard of it. I'll be seeing this *and* buying it on DVD.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What's more important...Ozzie's song 
finally found its place with the comic book! It ROCKS!!! (Hope the movie lives 
up to the trailer) Was that Robert Downy Jr.? If so...Kitty Likes

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think I just had sex, and I never took my 
clothes off...

HAYULL, YES!

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/

My take: AAbsolutely. Yes. Sorry, folks. This is pretty dang gone
awesome. I can almost tolerate Gwyneth Paltrow in it, just because Robert
Downey, Jr. is perfect. "The Dark Knight" had better bring it, or Marvel
wins yet again. This is so far the only one of these comic movies I would
like to see in HD.

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organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Astromancer]

My complaint about the TV series is that they had pretty people and it sucked...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The first Diane was cool. She was charming 
and devious. I don't want a Diana 
that looks like the Vulcan chick from Enterprise. She can't act, She has fish 
lips and no personality. I don't want a remake of Battlestar or Xena . I want 
action and character. 

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RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

[Astromancer]

I have no other details than what I just told you...She had been a vegetarian 
for years...living a vegan lifestyle can be expensive for someone on disability 
or subsistence...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   how's that?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Which is exactly what happened to a friend of mine who had to eat what was 
available to to her according to her means...now she is extremely lactose 
intolerant...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ha-ha! I agree with you. Besides, if the world ever 
falls into chaos and anarchy (like in a bad Van Damme post-apocalyptic movie) I 
don't want to be wandering around wastelands only able to eat veggies. This 
way, even eating a relatively small amount of meat, I keep the body chemistry 
in a state where it can digest meat. My friend who's been vegetarian would 
probably throw up and dang near go into shock if he ate meat at this point

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Because my lifestyle changes so often and I never know where I'll be until I 
establish a place for myself, I prefer to keep my diet versatile...meat is a 
better source of protein and you have to comsume less to get the same results 
from a vegan diet...I think the whole key is to stay as far away from the 
processed stuff as possible. The closer your food is to the way it was when it 
came off the tree, root or beast, the healthier is will be for you...(I see 
your desserts slipping away from you, Keith!)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, you're right. Don't worry, I'm taking it 
slowly. It's why I'm still "mostly vegetarian". I weigh about 200 pounds, stand 
6'1", and work out 5 -6 days a week (three days of muscle strengthening/toning, 
three of aerobics, two days of Power Yoga thrown in). So it's important for me 
to get proper iron, calcium, and protein, etc. Fortunately, I seem to be 
engineered to get a great deal of nutrition from vegetables (see recent 
conversations about blood type and what's best for ABs like me). I'm starting 
into research on better foods for me, so I figure in about 2 -3 years, I may 
make the move.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Make sure you find a balance in that lifestyle...I've seen some get sick after 
changing over... 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ditto, for now, though I see "vegan" in my future...

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Hey, I'm a proud omnivore...I'll just take my chances and not overindulge...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks. I keep feeling the pull to become a full 
vegetarian, but I keep refusing to yield, so I have to practice the moderation. 
And we all know about my ice cream addiction...

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" 
Keith, you said a MOUTHful, and boiled it right down to this:

It's all about the moderation.

VERY well-said! 

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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:48 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

Agreed. Remember the days of homemade frozen Kool-Aid pops, cheese
sandwiches, simple toast made in a skillet? Nothing beats that. I don't
think anything can replace the good old-fashioned ways of cooking and making
things. A lot of the packaged food we buy might be convenient, but they're
not better. In fact, as I get older and spend more time looking into
nutrition and fitness, i find myself going back to the old-fashioned things
more. I've always been of the mind to eat food in moderation more than to
cut out any one food. (For example, I'm a "mostly vegetarian", but havent'
yet made the jump to full vegetarian). Butter, red meat, fried food,
sugar--all are bad for you in excess, but any of it can be enjoyed in small
amounts. One hamburger a month isnt going to kill you. And frankly, a little
greasy fried food here and there isn't going to kill you either--in
moderation! I'm more and more starting to think that all the substitutes,
artificial sweeteners, butter substitutes, etc.
, might be worse in the long run, since we think they're safe and eat more
of them than we might the "bad" stuff. For example, remember when margarine
was deemed safer than butter? Now they say between the two, butter's better.
And the studies showing that Nutrasweet and Equal are bad for you won't go
away. There's also a matter of taste. Some substitutes simply don't taste
that good. So, rather than consume two sodas a day full of aritificial
sweeteners, I may have one real soda a week, a Jarrito's sweetened with real
sugar.

It's all about the moderation.

-- Original message --
From: "Re

Re: [scifinoir2] Iron Man Trailer

[Daryle]

I can¹t see how this movie could be worse than that trailer. I do believe,
though, that  now that  I¹ve seen the final  suit,  I¹m not watching any
more trailers for this movie. I want to sit down and be impressed come May.


On 9/11/07 6:29 PM, "Astromancer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> What's more important...Ozzie's song finally found its place with the comic
> book! It ROCKS!!! (Hope the movie lives up to the trailer) Was that Robert
> Downy Jr.? If so...Kitty Likes
> 
> Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
> wrote:  I think I just had sex, and I never took my clothes off...
> 
> HAYULL, YES!
> 
> Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
> wrote: 
> 
> http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/
> 
> My take: AAbsolutely. Yes. Sorry, folks. This is pretty dang gone
> awesome. I can almost tolerate Gwyneth Paltrow in it, just because Robert
> Downey, Jr. is perfect. "The Dark Knight" had better bring it, or Marvel
> wins yet again. This is so far the only one of these comic movies I would
> like to see in HD.
> 
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get
> organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A
> Country"
> 
> -
> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
> Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> "Let¹s just saying you know more than you think, but we¹re not going to help
> you figure it out." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie
>  
> -
> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha!
> Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
>  
> 




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Re: [scifinoir2] The Fall TV Line Up - what do you like

[Daryle]

Let's see...last year I said '"Heroes" sounded like an awesome show, too
bad it'll be cancelled...'

This year I'll go with "Journeyman" as the hit to be cancelled, "Reaper" as
the show that loses its way half season, and "Pushing Daisies" to be this
year's "Dresden Files".




On 9/11/07 5:26 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The fall season is about to start.  there are a number of speculative
> fiction shows premiering.  Below is  list with brief descriptions.  Are
> there any that you are looking forward to seeing?  Which ones do you
> think are duds?  Will any of them make it?
> 
> 
> ELI STONE (ABC) - "Many lawyers consider themselves prophets, but Eli
> Stone may be the real deal. Eli has built a successful career at a top
> law firm in San Francisco representing only the biggest and richest
> corporations that make a habit of screwing over the little guy. But
> after experiencing a series of odd hallucinations, Eli seeks to find a
> deeper meaning to life while trying not to lose his job and destroy his
> relationship with the bosses' daughter. When Eli discovers an aneurysm
> in his brain, he wonders if his condition is truly medical or if perhaps
> he now has a higher calling."
> 
> 
> PUSHING DAISIES (ABC) - From Bryan Fuller ("Heroes") and Barry
> Sonnenfeld ("Men in Black") comes an unprecedented blend of romance,
> crime procedural and high-concept fantasy in a forensic fairytale about
> a young man with a very special gift. Once upon a time, a mild-mannered
> boy named Ned realized he could touch dead things and bring them back to
> life. Grown-up Ned puts his ability to good use, not only touching dead
> fruit and making it ripe with everlasting flavor, but working with an
> investigator to crack murder cases by asking the deceased to name their
> killers. But the tale gets complicated, as all tales do, when Ned brings
> his childhood sweetheart, Chuck, back from the dead and keeps her alive.
> Chuck encourages him to use his power to help others, instead of merely
> solving mysteries and collecting the rewards. Life would be perfect for
> Ned and Chuck, except for one cruel twist: If he ever touches her again,
> she'll go back to being dead, this time for good."
> 
> REAPER (The CW) - "For the first 20 years of his life, Sam (Bret
> Harrison, "The Loop," "Grounded for Life") wondered why his parents went
> so easy on him. Whether it was school, sports or career choices, Sam's
> mom (Allison Hossack, "Falcon Beach") and dad (Andrew Airlie, "The L
> Word") always let him get by with the least possible effort, while at
> the same time pressuring his younger brother Keith (Kyle Switzer,
> "15/Love") to excel. As a result, Sam skipped college, took a dead-end
> job and now wastes endless hours playing video games and wishing he had
> the guts to ask out his pretty co-worker, Andi (Nikki Reed, "Thirteen,"
> "The O.C."). Everything in his slacker world changes the day Sam turns
> 21 and discovers the ungodly reason his parents let him slide: they sold
> his soul to the devil before he was born. Satan himself (Ray Wise, "24,"
> "The Closer") drops by to personally explain that Sam must now serve as
> his bounty hunter, tracking down evil souls that have escaped and
> returning them to Hell. At first, Sam refuses to accept his bizarre
> fate, but after getting just a glimpse of Satan's temper, Sam realizes
> that breaking a deal with the devil has consequences that are very, very bad
> 
> THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (FOX) - Sarah vanquished the liquid metal
> Terminator sent from the future to kill her teenage son, John. Sarah and
> John now find themselves alone in a very dangerous, complicated world.
> Fugitives from the law, they are confronted with the reality that still
> more enemies from the future, and the present, could attack at any
> moment. THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES reveals what happens when SARAH
> (Lena Headey, "The Brothers Grimm," "300") stops running and goes on the
> offensive against an ever-evolving technological enemy bent on
> destroying her life, and perhaps the world.
> 
> BIONIC WOMAN (NBC) The network's description: "Struggling as a bartender
> and surrogate mom to her teenage sister, Jaime Sommers (Michelle Ryan,
> "EastEnders") didn't think life could get much harder. But when a
> devastating car accident leaves her at death's door, Jaime's only hope
> for survival is a cutting-edge, top-secret technology that comes at a
> hefty price. With a whole new existence and a debt to re-pay, Jaime must
> figure out how to use her extraordinary abilities for good, while
> weighing the personal sacrifices she will have to make. Ultimately, it's
> Jaime's journey of self-discovery and inner strength that will help her
> embrace her new life as the Bionic Woman.
> 
> JOURNEYMAN (NBC) The network's description: "From Emmy Award-winning
> writer-producer Kevin Falls ("The West Wing") and Emmy Award-winning
> director-producer Alex Grav

Re: [scifinoir2] Iron Man Trailer

[Martin]

That's him, and I liked the casting from the minute I heard of it. I'll be 
seeing this *and* buying it on DVD.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   What's 
more important...Ozzie's song finally found its place with the comic book! It 
ROCKS!!! (Hope the movie lives up to the trailer) Was that Robert Downy Jr.? If 
so...Kitty Likes
 
 Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I think I just had sex, and I never 
took my clothes off...
 
 HAYULL, YES!
 
 Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
 
 http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/
 
 My take: AAbsolutely. Yes. Sorry, folks. This is pretty dang gone
 awesome. I can almost tolerate Gwyneth Paltrow in it, just because Robert
 Downey, Jr. is perfect. "The Dark Knight" had better bring it, or Marvel
 wins yet again. This is so far the only one of these comic movies I would
 like to see in HD.
 
 "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get 
organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] The Fall TV Line Up - what do you like

[Martin]

Of all of these, only "Journeyman" has managed to do anything for me.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 
fall season is about to start.  there are a number of speculative 
fiction shows premiering.  Below is  list with brief descriptions.  Are 
there any that you are looking forward to seeing?  Which ones do you 
think are duds?  Will any of them make it?


ELI STONE (ABC) - "Many lawyers consider themselves prophets, but Eli 
Stone may be the real deal. Eli has built a successful career at a top 
law firm in San Francisco representing only the biggest and richest 
corporations that make a habit of screwing over the little guy. But 
after experiencing a series of odd hallucinations, Eli seeks to find a 
deeper meaning to life while trying not to lose his job and destroy his 
relationship with the bosses' daughter. When Eli discovers an aneurysm 
in his brain, he wonders if his condition is truly medical or if perhaps 
he now has a higher calling."


PUSHING DAISIES (ABC) - From Bryan Fuller ("Heroes") and Barry 
Sonnenfeld ("Men in Black") comes an unprecedented blend of romance, 
crime procedural and high-concept fantasy in a forensic fairytale about 
a young man with a very special gift. Once upon a time, a mild-mannered 
boy named Ned realized he could touch dead things and bring them back to 
life. Grown-up Ned puts his ability to good use, not only touching dead 
fruit and making it ripe with everlasting flavor, but working with an 
investigator to crack murder cases by asking the deceased to name their 
killers. But the tale gets complicated, as all tales do, when Ned brings 
his childhood sweetheart, Chuck, back from the dead and keeps her alive. 
Chuck encourages him to use his power to help others, instead of merely 
solving mysteries and collecting the rewards. Life would be perfect for 
Ned and Chuck, except for one cruel twist: If he ever touches her again, 
she'll go back to being dead, this time for good."

REAPER (The CW) - "For the first 20 years of his life, Sam (Bret 
Harrison, "The Loop," "Grounded for Life") wondered why his parents went 
so easy on him. Whether it was school, sports or career choices, Sam's 
mom (Allison Hossack, "Falcon Beach") and dad (Andrew Airlie, "The L 
Word") always let him get by with the least possible effort, while at 
the same time pressuring his younger brother Keith (Kyle Switzer, 
"15/Love") to excel. As a result, Sam skipped college, took a dead-end 
job and now wastes endless hours playing video games and wishing he had 
the guts to ask out his pretty co-worker, Andi (Nikki Reed, "Thirteen," 
"The O.C."). Everything in his slacker world changes the day Sam turns 
21 and discovers the ungodly reason his parents let him slide: they sold 
his soul to the devil before he was born. Satan himself (Ray Wise, "24," 
"The Closer") drops by to personally explain that Sam must now serve as 
his bounty hunter, tracking down evil souls that have escaped and 
returning them to Hell. At first, Sam refuses to accept his bizarre 
fate, but after getting just a glimpse of Satan's temper, Sam realizes 
that breaking a deal with the devil has consequences that are very, very bad

THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (FOX) - Sarah vanquished the liquid metal 
Terminator sent from the future to kill her teenage son, John. Sarah and 
John now find themselves alone in a very dangerous, complicated world. 
Fugitives from the law, they are confronted with the reality that still 
more enemies from the future, and the present, could attack at any 
moment. THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES reveals what happens when SARAH 
(Lena Headey, "The Brothers Grimm," "300") stops running and goes on the 
offensive against an ever-evolving technological enemy bent on 
destroying her life, and perhaps the world.

BIONIC WOMAN (NBC) The network's description: "Struggling as a bartender 
and surrogate mom to her teenage sister, Jaime Sommers (Michelle Ryan, 
"EastEnders") didn't think life could get much harder. But when a 
devastating car accident leaves her at death's door, Jaime's only hope 
for survival is a cutting-edge, top-secret technology that comes at a 
hefty price. With a whole new existence and a debt to re-pay, Jaime must 
figure out how to use her extraordinary abilities for good, while 
weighing the personal sacrifices she will have to make. Ultimately, it's 
Jaime's journey of self-discovery and inner strength that will help her 
embrace her new life as the Bionic Woman.

JOURNEYMAN (NBC) The network's description: "From Emmy Award-winning 
writer-producer Kevin Falls ("The West Wing") and Emmy Award-winning 
director-producer Alex Graves ("The West Wing"), "Journeyman" is a 
romantic mystery-drama about Dan Vasser (Kevin McKidd, "Rome"), a San 
Francisco newspaper reporter and family man who inexplicably begins to 
travel through time and change people's lives. Along the way, he also 
must deal with the difficulties and strife at work and home br

Re: [scifinoir2] Iron Man Trailer

[Astromancer]

What's more important...Ozzie's song finally found its place with the comic 
book! It ROCKS!!! (Hope the movie lives up to the trailer) Was that Robert 
Downy Jr.? If so...Kitty Likes

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I think I just had sex, and I never 
took my clothes off...

HAYULL, YES!

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/

My take: AAbsolutely. Yes. Sorry, folks. This is pretty dang gone
awesome. I can almost tolerate Gwyneth Paltrow in it, just because Robert
Downey, Jr. is perfect. "The Dark Knight" had better bring it, or Marvel
wins yet again. This is so far the only one of these comic movies I would
like to see in HD.





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[scifinoir2] The Fall TV Line Up - what do you like

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

The fall season is about to start.  there are a number of speculative 
fiction shows premiering.  Below is  list with brief descriptions.  Are 
there any that you are looking forward to seeing?  Which ones do you 
think are duds?  Will any of them make it?


ELI STONE (ABC) - "Many lawyers consider themselves prophets, but Eli 
Stone may be the real deal. Eli has built a successful career at a top 
law firm in San Francisco representing only the biggest and richest 
corporations that make a habit of screwing over the little guy. But 
after experiencing a series of odd hallucinations, Eli seeks to find a 
deeper meaning to life while trying not to lose his job and destroy his 
relationship with the bosses' daughter. When Eli discovers an aneurysm 
in his brain, he wonders if his condition is truly medical or if perhaps 
he now has a higher calling."


PUSHING DAISIES (ABC) - From Bryan Fuller ("Heroes") and Barry 
Sonnenfeld ("Men in Black") comes an unprecedented blend of romance, 
crime procedural and high-concept fantasy in a forensic fairytale about 
a young man with a very special gift. Once upon a time, a mild-mannered 
boy named Ned realized he could touch dead things and bring them back to 
life. Grown-up Ned puts his ability to good use, not only touching dead 
fruit and making it ripe with everlasting flavor, but working with an 
investigator to crack murder cases by asking the deceased to name their 
killers. But the tale gets complicated, as all tales do, when Ned brings 
his childhood sweetheart, Chuck, back from the dead and keeps her alive. 
Chuck encourages him to use his power to help others, instead of merely 
solving mysteries and collecting the rewards. Life would be perfect for 
Ned and Chuck, except for one cruel twist: If he ever touches her again, 
she'll go back to being dead, this time for good."

REAPER (The CW) - "For the first 20 years of his life, Sam (Bret 
Harrison, "The Loop," "Grounded for Life") wondered why his parents went 
so easy on him. Whether it was school, sports or career choices, Sam's 
mom (Allison Hossack, "Falcon Beach") and dad (Andrew Airlie, "The L 
Word") always let him get by with the least possible effort, while at 
the same time pressuring his younger brother Keith (Kyle Switzer, 
"15/Love") to excel. As a result, Sam skipped college, took a dead-end 
job and now wastes endless hours playing video games and wishing he had 
the guts to ask out his pretty co-worker, Andi (Nikki Reed, "Thirteen," 
"The O.C."). Everything in his slacker world changes the day Sam turns 
21 and discovers the ungodly reason his parents let him slide: they sold 
his soul to the devil before he was born. Satan himself (Ray Wise, "24," 
"The Closer") drops by to personally explain that Sam must now serve as 
his bounty hunter, tracking down evil souls that have escaped and 
returning them to Hell. At first, Sam refuses to accept his bizarre 
fate, but after getting just a glimpse of Satan's temper, Sam realizes 
that breaking a deal with the devil has consequences that are very, very bad

THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (FOX) - Sarah vanquished the liquid metal 
Terminator sent from the future to kill her teenage son, John. Sarah and 
John now find themselves alone in a very dangerous, complicated world. 
Fugitives from the law, they are confronted with the reality that still 
more enemies from the future, and the present, could attack at any 
moment. THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES reveals what happens when SARAH 
(Lena Headey, "The Brothers Grimm," "300") stops running and goes on the 
offensive against an ever-evolving technological enemy bent on 
destroying her life, and perhaps the world.

BIONIC WOMAN (NBC) The network's description: "Struggling as a bartender 
and surrogate mom to her teenage sister, Jaime Sommers (Michelle Ryan, 
"EastEnders") didn't think life could get much harder. But when a 
devastating car accident leaves her at death's door, Jaime's only hope 
for survival is a cutting-edge, top-secret technology that comes at a 
hefty price. With a whole new existence and a debt to re-pay, Jaime must 
figure out how to use her extraordinary abilities for good, while 
weighing the personal sacrifices she will have to make. Ultimately, it's 
Jaime's journey of self-discovery and inner strength that will help her 
embrace her new life as the Bionic Woman.

JOURNEYMAN (NBC) The network's description: "From Emmy Award-winning 
writer-producer Kevin Falls ("The West Wing") and Emmy Award-winning 
director-producer Alex Graves ("The West Wing"), "Journeyman" is a 
romantic mystery-drama about Dan Vasser (Kevin McKidd, "Rome"), a San 
Francisco newspaper reporter and family man who inexplicably begins to 
travel through time and change people's lives. Along the way, he also 
must deal with the difficulties and strife at work and home brought on 
by his sudden disappearances.

NEW AMSTERDAM (FOX) - the story of a New York homicide detective unlike 
any other. He is brilliant, myste

Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

The Time Lords are a race of humanoids, originating on the planet 
Gallifrey. They are so called because they have the technology to effect 
time travel, to a degree more advanced than any other civilisation. Time 
Lord time machines are known as TARDISes.

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[scifinoir2] My Take - "3:10 to Yuma"

[KeithBJohnson]

Summary: Down-on-his-luck Rancher Dan Evans undertakes a dangerous mission, 
joining a group of men taking outlaw Ben Wade to prison. They must survive 
Indians, others out to get Wade, and Wade's own gang in order to get him on the 
3:10 train to Yuma.

My Quick Take: This is a fun, exciting movie in the tradition of old Westerns. 
There are bad guys, good (or not-so-bad) guys, and lots of action.  Plenty of 
chases and gunfights, even a few explosions. Russell Crowe as always is a 
captivating presence, dominating the screen and the scene. Christian 
Bale--almost a chameleon of an actor--gets into his role as the desperate 
rancher. Good supporting cast, great cinematography and camera work, 
pulse-pounding music. Did I mention the gunfights? And the horse chases?  
Really enjoyed this pic.  

My Full Take: At its core, the Western is a morality tale, the story of a 
basically good man struggling against sinister forces while remaining true to 
what’s right. What those forces are—evil land barons, gunfighters, Mother 
Nature—is less important than the struggle the hero undertakes to overcome 
them.  When others abandon him—even when he doubts himself—the hero stands 
alone, fighting to the end.  
 
Rancher Dan Evans (Christian Bale) is such a man. Dan can barely hold his 
family together, battling drought, his younger son’s tuberculosis, a land owner 
to whom he’s heavily in debt, and his own physical limitations (having lost 
part of a leg in the Civil War). Dan can’t even muster the energy to rebuke his 
oldest son’s increasingly critical and disrespectful remarks, because they echo 
his own self-doubts. Dan feels his wife slowly slipping away from him, which 
only feeds his own growing desperation. Things get worse when the land owner’s 
men burn down his barn and drive his cattle away as a warning to pay up or get 
out. 
 
As Dan and his boys later go to fetch the herd, they see in the distance a 
heist in progress. The infamous Ben Wade (Russell Crowe) and his gang are 
attacking a stagecoach. A real menace, Wade has committed over twenty heists, 
costing hundreds of thousands of dollars and the lives of dozens of men. In 
short order, Wade’s gang has killed everyone and stolen the money. The sequence 
is thrilling, full of hyperkinetic energy as pursuers and the pursued engage in 
a desperate chase, horses galloping like mad, grizzled, hard-looking men 
cursing and yelling as they release a barrage of bullets. The whole scene is 
shot with frenetic close ups and gorgeous long pans, and driven by a musical 
score that heightens the action.  Who needs a car chase?
 
Later, when Wade is captured, Dan agrees to accompany the party taking Wade to 
catch the 3:10 train to Yuma prison—a desperate move motivated by the money 
he’ll receive for the job.  The journey is rife with danger: Indians, other men 
hungry for vengeance on Wade, Wade’s own pursuing gang, and worst of all, Wade 
himself.  
 
Crowe’s Ben Wade is the kind of smooth villain who does pencil drawings during 
a holdup, uses his wits as much as his gun, reads the Bible, and treats women 
with charm and respect. He doesn’t kill for sport: Wade spares Dan after the 
holdup even though his men want to kill him (a decision he later comes to 
regret). But this is not a bad guy with a good heart. He remains a cold-blooded 
killer, or as he says, “I’m rotten to the core”.
 
It’s Wade’s dual nature that Dan must battle, as he fights to remember why he’s 
risking all to turn in someone who’s actually done him no personal harm. “Why 
don’t you take the money and go home to your pretty wife?” Wade asks Dan. “What 
are you trying to prove?”
 
It’s a good question, especially seeing that some of Dan’s partners are almost 
as bad as Wade himself. But Dan is driven by his need for money and security. 
And, increasingly, the need to save the soul of his oldest son William, who 
starts to admire Wade as a kind of hero, strong where his father is weak.  
Crazed by his need to do something “good for once”, Dan pushes on past the 
point of reason.
 
“3:10 to Yuma” gets the Western mythos right. It’s full of larger-than-life 
characters. Dangers lurk behind every rock and bush. There are plenty of 
chases, fights, gun battles, explosions—enough for even modern tastes. The 
actors are good across the board. Russell Crowe is great as Wade, at times 
charming, at times chilling, always commanding. Christian Bale inhabits the 
role of the thin, bedraggled Dan Evans, a hero not by nature, but by need. The 
supporting cast is likewise good, especially Peter Fonda in a memorable but 
too-brief stint as an obsessive bounty hunter. The picture looks great too, 
from the towns to the gorgeous scenery to the characters themselves. Even the 
musical score fits. The movie works on all counts. It’s s a fun, exciting ride.
 
Now, this being a traditional pic, it must be said that women and people of 
color get short shrift. The only Indians seen try to kill Dan and his party 

[scifinoir2] Title of new 'Indiana Jones' revealed

[Brent Wodehouse]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/10/film.indianajones.ap/index.html

Title of new 'Indiana Jones' revealed


NEW YORK (AP)  - The title of the new "Indiana Jones" movie, directed by
Steven Spielberg and starring Harrison Ford, has been revealed.

"Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" will be in theaters
May 22, 2008.

The title of the long-awaited fourth installment of the adventure series
was announced by Shia LaBeouf, who co-stars with Ford in the film, at the
MTV Video Music Awards in Las Vegas on Sunday.

The new Indy adventure, which is set in the 1950s, also stars Cate
Blanchett, Ray Winstone, John Hurt, Jim Broadbent and Karen Allen.

Sean Connery, who played dad to Ford's globe-trotting archaeologist in
1989's "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade," will not reprise the role in
the new movie.

The series began in 1981 with "Raiders of the Lost Ark," followed by
"Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" in 1984.

In promotional photos, the 65-year-old Ford appears fit as ever.

"I have to say, he looks amazing," Kathleen Kennedy, the film's
co-executive producer, along with George Lucas, told The Associated Press
in July. "He looks fantastic in the outfit."

Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Martin]

A race of people from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation of Kasterbouros 
(*not* to be confused with Gallifreyans, from whom the Time Lords arose through 
judicious use of genetic engineering). 

Martin (Whovian since 1978)

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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

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Thanks. 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Iron Man Trailer

[Bosco Bosco]

To Quote the greatest punk band of all time, the Big Boys: "Fun, Fun,
Fun!!!"

B
--- Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/
> 
> 
> My take: AAbsolutely. Yes. Sorry, folks. This is pretty dang
> gone
> awesome. I can almost tolerate Gwyneth Paltrow in it, just because
> Robert
> Downey, Jr. is perfect. "The Dark Knight" had better bring it, or
> Marvel
> wins yet again. This is so far  the only  one of these comic movies
> I would
> like to see in HD.
> 
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That's just the way it's supposed to be.
And I can't help but wonder,
Don't ya know it coulda been me.


  

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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

He Only runs a branch of Torchwood, not the entire Institute. But I do 
not think you should think of Capt. Jack Harkness as an "American" as we 
know Americans any more than Dr. Who, the Time Lord, as a Brit.  Because 
of his background and expertise, he is likely considered enough of an 
asset to lead a branch of Torchwood.   He is a former member of the Time 
Agents, humans who travel through time to maintain history. He was born 
in America in the 51st century and left the Agency after they stole two 
years of his memories and became a con man, using a stolen Chula 
spaceship to travel through time.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

[KeithBJohnson]

how's that?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Which is exactly what happened to a friend of mine who had to eat what was 
available to to her according to her means...now she is extremely lactose 
intolerant...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ha-ha! I agree with you. Besides, if the world ever 
falls into chaos and anarchy (like in a bad Van Damme post-apocalyptic movie) I 
don't want to be wandering around wastelands only able to eat veggies. This 
way, even eating a relatively small amount of meat, I keep the body chemistry 
in a state where it can digest meat. My friend who's been vegetarian would 
probably throw up and dang near go into shock if he ate meat at this point

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Because my lifestyle changes so often and I never know where I'll be until I 
establish a place for myself, I prefer to keep my diet versatile...meat is a 
better source of protein and you have to comsume less to get the same results 
from a vegan diet...I think the whole key is to stay as far away from the 
processed stuff as possible. The closer your food is to the way it was when it 
came off the tree, root or beast, the healthier is will be for you...(I see 
your desserts slipping away from you, Keith!)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, you're right. Don't worry, I'm taking it 
slowly. It's why I'm still "mostly vegetarian". I weigh about 200 pounds, stand 
6'1", and work out 5 -6 days a week (three days of muscle strengthening/toning, 
three of aerobics, two days of Power Yoga thrown in). So it's important for me 
to get proper iron, calcium, and protein, etc. Fortunately, I seem to be 
engineered to get a great deal of nutrition from vegetables (see recent 
conversations about blood type and what's best for ABs like me). I'm starting 
into research on better foods for me, so I figure in about 2 -3 years, I may 
make the move.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Make sure you find a balance in that lifestyle...I've seen some get sick after 
changing over... 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ditto, for now, though I see "vegan" in my future...

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Hey, I'm a proud omnivore...I'll just take my chances and not overindulge...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks. I keep feeling the pull to become a full 
vegetarian, but I keep refusing to yield, so I have to practice the moderation. 
And we all know about my ice cream addiction...

-- Original message -- 
From: "Reece Jennings" 
Keith, you said a MOUTHful, and boiled it right down to this:

It's all about the moderation.

VERY well-said! 

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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

Agreed. Remember the days of homemade frozen Kool-Aid pops, cheese
sandwiches, simple toast made in a skillet? Nothing beats that. I don't
think anything can replace the good old-fashioned ways of cooking and making
things. A lot of the packaged food we buy might be convenient, but they're
not better. In fact, as I get older and spend more time looking into
nutrition and fitness, i find myself going back to the old-fashioned things
more. I've always been of the mind to eat food in moderation more than to
cut out any one food. (For example, I'm a "mostly vegetarian", but havent'
yet made the jump to full vegetarian). Butter, red meat, fried food,
sugar--all are bad for you in excess, but any of it can be enjoyed in small
amounts. One hamburger a month isnt going to kill you. And frankly, a little
greasy fried food here and there isn't going to kill you either--in
moderation! I'm more and more starting to think that all the substitutes,
artificial sweeteners, butter substitutes, etc.
, might be worse in the long run, since we think they're safe and eat more
of them than we might the "bad" stuff. For example, remember when margarine
was deemed safer than butter? Now they say between the two, butter's better.
And the studies showing that Nutrasweet and Equal are bad for you won't go
away. There's also a matter of taste. Some substitutes simply don't taste
that good. So, rather than consume two sodas a day full of aritificial
sweeteners, I may have one real soda a week, a Jarrito's sweetened with real
sugar.

It's all about the moderation.

-- Original message --
From: "Reece Jennings" Note the dates. They've
known for years. I got rid of my microwave oven a couple of years ago for
other reasons. I used to eat a couple of bags a week...

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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

He's actually both American and the UK.  I've heard some people hate his 
"fake" American Accent.  He was born in Glasgow, Scotland, and raised in 
Joliet, Illinois. He returned to the UK, after graduating from College.

Martin wrote:
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> When I first watched it, I didn't know that Barrowman was American. I 
> thought he was just another Brit expertly faking an American accent.
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[scifinoir2] Re: Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually impotent"

[g123curious]

In 6+ years, what I see is W doesn't hire deep thinkers or the 
brightest folks. W hires party-loyalists who are either connected or 
have given money to said campaign... folks who "drank and continue to 
drink the cool-ade." People who follow the party ideology blindly 
until they get impaled on a fence while wondering, 'where did that 
fence come from?' Only then do they change course, and only then 
reluctantly while blaming the Dems, Clinton, and everyone else.

George

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> Jesus Christ, where does Bush keep finding these idiots?? I don't 
care if bin Laden was *only* capable of putting forth a few tapes a 
year, he's still an ideological danger. Don't care if he's tied to a 
dialysis machine 24/7, if he can't set foot outside his cave (or 
compound, more likely), he can still rally the faithful who subscribe 
to his beliefs.  Doesn't this idiot lady get the root causes of 9/11 
and so much of the hatred America faces in the world? Does she not 
get that pure military might is the least of the obstacles we face in 
the world. Absolutely amazing she can make such a dumba** 
statement  
> 
> *
> 
> Homeland Security Adviser Dismisses bin Laden as "virtually 
impotent"
>
> WASHINGTON - Seemingly taunting Osama bin Laden, President Bush's 
homeland security adviser said Sunday the fugitive al-Qaida leader 
is "virtually impotent" beyond his ability to hide away and spread 
anti-American propaganda.
>
> The provocative characterization came just days after bin Laden 
attracted international attention with the release of a video in 
which he ridicules President Bush about the Iraq war and reminds the 
world that he not been captured.
>
> Ahead of the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes, 
White House aide Frances Fragos Townsend made a clear attempt to 
diminish the influence _ or the perception _ of the man who 
masterminded those attacks.
>
> "This is about the best he can do," Townsend said of bin 
Laden. "This is a man on a run, from a cave, who's virtually impotent 
other than these tapes."

Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I'm reserving judgment.  When I heard they were doing Battlestar, I 
scoffed.  and in my opinion it turned out fantastic, So, to me, how it 
will turn out depends on who is put in charge and the directing and 
writing team assembled.  Put the people behind Heroes, Lost, Traveler, 
Farscape or 4400, Battlestar, even Smallville on it and it could turn 
out really good.

Daryle wrote:
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>
>
> Nah, depends on what network does it. ³V² on NBC would have dynamite 
> music.
> Heroes¹ choice of Wendy & Lisa was brilliant. The problem would be that
> they¹d justify wacky casting decisions with ³well, it worked on
> Galactica², when really...it didn¹t.
>
> Everybody knows that the star of the V series is Diana. Cast her 
> wrong, and
> the show¹s useless. I think everything depends on Bionic Woman. If that
> series has great action and not so much Gundam-esque dialogue, then all
> the remakes that follow will use that as the template.
>
> I¹m curious as to why they aren¹t giving ³Aquaman² another go. Looks like
> there are enough producers here that will un-Smallville the concept enough
> to be interesting.
>
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> > A new V would have too many pretty people and special effects. It 
> would be
> > like Roswell and Kyle X Y Shows I don't watch. It would have a lot 
> of heavy
> > metal music and very little character development.
> >
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Gymfig]

The first Diane was cool. She was charming and devious. I don't want a Diana 
that looks like the Vulcan chick from Enterprise. She can't act, She has fish 
lips and no personality. I don't want a remake of Battlestar or Xena . I want 
action and character. 



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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Daryle]

I do not claim to speak for all of the men in our group, but uhm...pouty and
sexy in the red suit ? I¹m sorta FOR that. So long as it¹s a tight suit and
she¹s not blonde...I¹m good.  She¹s a bad guy. I just need Diana to look
good and eat a mouse. It can be a mini-series for all I care, just please
give the empty calories and give some up and coming actors some work. It¹s
V. It won¹t be a Harlan Ellison script. Hell, not even a Warren Ellis
script. It¹s gonna be ³A leader who is charismatic and powerful lies to the
masses about his/her intent to take over a small country in the middle
ea---er, planet. A filmmaker/journalist (hmm) discovers the truth and goes
on a mission to expose the regime. He is captured. He escapes. The people
make noise.  But the people are American, and so the regime does what it
wants anyway.²  We¹ve not only SEEN this when it was done originally, we
watched Karl Rove remix it in real life.

All I ask is that they  not make Diana blonde, and they can count on me for
at least three episodes.


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> Everybody knows that the star of the V series is Diana. Cast her wrong, and
> the show¹s useless.
> 
> Which is why it will be horrible. Diana will be pouty and sexy. She will walk
> around and bark orders. She will be ugly in the face with fish lips. She will
> be a young girl not a woman. It won't last.
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Re: [scifinoir2] sleep apnea and CPAP

[Martin]

Had to offer, pal. It did help convince a couple of friends of mine, and I 
didn't have to scan the pic in.

Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Not gonna 
help...I need to do it on my own...BTW, I'm down to a pack every two days from 
two packs a day...
 
 Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Maybe I need to throw in the liter 
and a half of gunk they had to drain out before they could do the actual 
removal. Roughly the color and consistency of cement with lime kool-aid mixed 
in...
 
 Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, I'm an addict...
 
 Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don;'t know to whom Keith directed the 
cigarette comment but, whoever you may be, if you need help in quitting, I'd be 
more than happy to send you a pic of the lung they took out of me back in '96. 
According to the docs who did the surgery, it looked like the lung of someone 
who'd been a three-pack-a-day smoker for years, when in truth, the only time 
I've touched the damn things was to buy them for family members. If you don't 
quit after seeing it, you're a sadist.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dude, I understand. I sometimes talk about working 
out a great deal, but I'm no Adonis! I consider myself fit, but don't have the 
Hollywood chiseled body and six-pack. Many of my workout days are just for 
maintaining, and on some I'm lazy. Then there's that ice cream and stuff on the 
weekends. 
 
 I would strongly suggest dropping the cigs, though. That'll be the single 
greatest thing you can do to improve everything.
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Astromancer 
 Yes, they did, but my problem is more complicated than yours (pardon me for 
jumping into you guys' convo) unless I opt for surgery (snipping from the back 
of my mouth...Ugh!!), quit smoking (working on it hard), and lose weight (I 
hate you for being 6'1" and 200lbs! Just kidding...), I'll be using the CPAP 
for a while...
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the info. Don't know that I have apnea. I 
snore less now than I used too. I've never been badly overweight, but I know 
that's not the only cause. Do they suggest you sleep with your head slightly 
inclined to open your airways, or keep your neck straight?
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: "Reece Jennings" 
 Sleep Apnea is when you stop breathing when you sleep because your throat
 muscles
 relax. Then your brain wakes you up just enough to get you breathing again.
 This cycle
 continues all night. You can die. 
 
 CPAP = Continuous Positive Air Pressure. You spend a night in a hospital
 sleep center
 where they measure the pressure needed to keep your throat open.
 
 Then you're fitted with a machine that gently blows air through your nose
 (nose and mouth in
 some cases) and down your throat.
 
 Here is the one I use now. I've been using a CPAP since '98. It saved my
 life.
 
 http://www.resmed.com/en-us/products/special/s8_and_mirage_swift/s8-and-mira
 ge-swift.html?menu=products
 
 The nasal headgear is very comfortable, especially compared to the Aircraft
 pilot looking mask I started out with.
 
 You would be surprised at how many people have sleep apnea. And a lot of it
 has to do with being overweight.
 I used to wear a 19 inch shirt. I lost almost an inch off my neck, and the
 pressure needed to keep me breathing
 was just reduced.
 
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 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:02 PM
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes
 
 i snore sometimes. What's CPAP?
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: "Reece Jennings" 
 yahoo.com> 
 Look on the bright side, Keith. The popcorn that gets caught 
 in the braces doesn't get stuck in your TON-sils! 
 
 Mine were taken in 1970. Way too many strep infections!
 
 Do you snore?
 
 I did, even after that. Diagnosed with OSA (Obstructive Sleep Apnea).
 I've been using a CPAP since '98. Saved my life!
 
 Maurice Jennings
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 On
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 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes
 
 really?? I had no idea that anyone was still doing the skillet-pop route.
 That's cool. I don't eat enough popcorn to do that. Give me some of the
 deliciour caramel, butter, and cheddar cheese type from The Popcorn Fa

Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Martin]

Gymfig, he's actually Scottish-American (my bad). Read all about it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barrowman



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Re: [scifinoir2] Iron Man Trailer

[Martin]

I think I just had sex, and I never took my clothes off...

HAYULL, YES!

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
 
 http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/
 
 My take: AAbsolutely. Yes. Sorry, folks. This is pretty dang gone
 awesome. I can almost tolerate Gwyneth Paltrow in it, just because Robert
 Downey, Jr. is perfect. "The Dark Knight" had better bring it, or Marvel
 wins yet again. This is so far  the only  one of these comic movies I would
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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Gymfig]

 
In a message dated 9/11/2007 11:30:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Everybody knows that the star of the V series is Diana. Cast her wrong, and
the show¹s useless. 

Which is why it will be horrible. Diana will be pouty and sexy. She will walk 
around and bark orders. She will be ugly in the face with fish lips. She will 
be a young girl not a woman. It won't last. 



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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Daryle]

Nah, depends on what network does it.  ³V² on NBC would have dynamite music.
Heroes¹ choice of Wendy & Lisa was brilliant. The problem would be that
they¹d  justify wacky casting decisions with ³well,  it worked on
Galactica²,  when really...it didn¹t.

Everybody knows that the star of the V series is Diana. Cast her wrong, and
the show¹s useless. I think everything depends on Bionic Woman.  If that
series has great  action and not so much  Gundam-esque dialogue, then all
the remakes that  follow will  use that  as the template.

I¹m curious as to why they aren¹t giving ³Aquaman² another go. Looks like
there are enough producers here that will un-Smallville the concept enough
to be interesting.


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>  
>  
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> A new V would have too many pretty people and special effects. It would be
> like Roswell and Kyle X Y Shows I don't watch.  It would have a lot of heavy
> metal music and very little character development.
> 



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[scifinoir2] Iron Man Trailer

[Daryle]

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/


My take: AAbsolutely. Yes. Sorry, folks. This is pretty dang gone
awesome. I can almost tolerate Gwyneth Paltrow in it, just because Robert
Downey, Jr. is perfect. "The Dark Knight" had better bring it, or Marvel
wins yet again. This is so far  the only  one of these comic movies I would
like to see in HD.

Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Gymfig]

I don;t know his nationality. It seems odd that that a British secret agency 
has an American leader. 



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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Martin]

Amen to that.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   A new V would have too 
many pretty people and special effects. It would be 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Martin]

When I first watched it, I didn't know that Barrowman was American. I thought 
he was just another Brit expertly faking an American accent.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Gymfig]

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Re: [scifinoir2] A New V May Be Coming!!

[Gymfig]

A new V would have too many pretty people and special effects. It would be 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Torchwood Premier Anyone?

[Martin]

'Twas alright. I didn't jump for joy, but I didn't yawn my head off either. 
(No, still don't have my cable back. I'd seen it much earlier, through means 
not entirely legal...

Justin Mohareb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   On 
9/10/07, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > Anyone catch the Torchwood premier on Saturday?  What did you think?
 
 I've seen season one.  It gets better, but is still pretty erratic.
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] What are the powers of the "Heroes" charactors

[Justin Mohareb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Heroes

That has the info.

Why do you want to know if you don't watch the show?

JJ Mohareb

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>   Hello, hello,
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> Could someone list the powers of the characters on "Heroes"? (dead and
> alive). Especially those of the people that would be considered "main
> characters"..
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