date:20071226


What a great way to head of the mania...and a smarter investment! I have
taken a cursory scan of eBay to see what the value of all the metal sets and
trains he has (the Thomas recall affected a very specific model that we
didn¹t have) --  and it¹s not that great a return.


On 12/26/07 3:14 PM, "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Fortunately, my son skipped out on "Thomas." He did get into wooden trains
> though.  We (me, wife and my father) bought him one of those expensive Brio
> sets for his 4th birthday.  For various birthdays and Christmases following,
> he received add-on tunnels, new cars, etc.  Charles spent many hours
> assembling, disassembling and experimenting with track configurations.
> 
> At 10, he doesn't play with it much anymore, but being of solid wood and in
> excellent condition - he'll be able to pass it on (hundreds of pieces, cars,
> add-ons, etc.) to his children.
> 
> I think this expensive Brio set was our way of heading off the Thomas mania
> before it started...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  ]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:07 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
> 
> Thomas is still big, she is just not that into him and there was a major
> recall recently, so we embraced her inner Car to make up for not having
> the train.  Besides, have you watched Thomas the Train?  What are they
> teaching kids? "how to be petty, tease friends and be cruel while
> respecting the corporate bosses !?!?!  I'm left scratching my head at
> the end of some of those episodes.
> 
> She has not seen Static yet, but she loves Superman and Batman, so I
> introduced her to Power Puffs last week and she was hooked.  There was a
> Green Lantern Show? When?
> 
> Fortunately, Lazytown and Barney were not obsessive, however, Dora is to
> some degree.  Most of the shows, she needs to see alot of I like or can
> tolerate.  However, once she is done with seeing them over and over  and
> over, I need a break from them all.
> 
> Daryle wrote:
>> > Be glad you missed the ³Thomas² phase. My son¹s the same age. ³Thomas²
> type
>> > kids are obsessive collectors,  and my  son is one. We missed Barney
>> > completely.  We did ³Thomas², ³Cars², and ³Static Shock². Well, we¹re
> still
>> > doing ³Static Shock²,  actually. (Because dad is not having a ³Superman²
>> > phase without at  least a Green Lantern or SOME brother in the mix) I¹m so
>> > mad they canceled that  show I don¹t know what to do. I only have it on
> VHS.
>> >
>> > As for ³Lazy Town²...God bless you. That show is entirely too damn loud.
> We
>> > bought those Nick Jr DVDs (they run like 6 hours!) so that  he isn¹t
> exposed
>> > to the commercials between the shows and Lazy Town is on it.  As much as I
>> > wanna support the show because of Pixel...that show is just no go. ³Dora²
>> > also yells throughout her whole show, but at  least I can tolerate the
>> > music.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/26/07 2:43 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  > wrote:
>> >
>> >   
>>> >>  
>>> >>  
>>> >>  
>>> >>
>>> >> I know it is inevitable.  I just survived Barney and Lazy Town.  Don't
>>> >> you remember just a few short days ago, I told you we had to watch the
>>> >> Grinch five times a day and then listen to the soundtrack a few dozen
>>> >> times or how we have to watch Cars, draw Cars, color Cars, build cars,
>>> >> be Cars (by poor husband is often Mater)  and play with Cars around the
>>> >> clock.  but you can't blame me for doing whatever it took to avert the
>>> >> alvin and the chipmunks tragedy!
>>> >>
>>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>>   wrote:
>>> >> 
>  Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times
> that
>  
 >>> he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-stop mania.
> It
 >>> could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange
> Teletubbies
 >>> with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-seeming plots. Or
it
 >>> might even be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth viewing,
 >>> simply makes you want to pull your eyes out. I remember many parents
 >>> complaining that if they heard Barney's "I love you, you love me..."
one
> more
 >>> time they'd go bonkers!
 >>>   
>  In the old days parents just self-medicated while their kids zoned
out
> on
>  
 >>> the stuff... not an option i know!  :)
 >>>   
>  -- Original message --
>  From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>  
 >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTE

RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

I loved 'Day of the Triffids'...Talk about a double whammy!
Blind people trying to get away from walking, human-eating plants! 


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-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:58 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

I Love Night of The Comet

Daryle wrote:
> Oh, is this turning into THAT discussion?
>
> ³Night Of the Comet². AND I bought it on VHS.
>
> On 12/26/07 12:15 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, 
>> darkest movie secrets.
>>  
>>  I love "Howard the Duck".
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  > wrote:
>>  Keith
>>
>> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in 
>> the comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>> 
 But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is 
 my
 
>>> milieu!
>>>   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
 wrote: I
 
>>> really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making 
>>> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas 
>>> weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on 
>>> a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off
with 45 minutes to go.
>>> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage 
>>> and Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or 
>>> engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie 
>>> snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" 
>>> recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. I"m the guy who 
>>> will watch "The Warriors" every single time it airs (much to my 
>>> wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure of
adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
>>>   
 But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in
plot.
 
>>> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book 
>>> passed down from one President to another that details, among other 
>>> things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>>>   
 Please tell me none of you watched it?

 

 "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office Tue Dec 25, 2:27 
 PM ET Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of 
 Secrets" raced
 
>>> to $65 million during its first five days of release across North 
>>> America, distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
>>>   
 The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film 
 opened
 
>>> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be 
>>> issued on Wednesday.
>>>   
 Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
 
>>> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned 
>>> sequel to the
>>> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who 
>>> flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to 
>>> Lincoln's assassination.
>>>   
 Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day 
 sales of
 
>>> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner
Bros.
>>> Pictures.
>>>   
 Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. 
 Twentieth
 
>>> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its 
>>> surprise hit "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to 
>>> estimate Christmas Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned
$88.7 million.
>>>   
 The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned 
 $14.75
 
>>> million, and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, 
>>> both after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures 
>>> and DreamWorks Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were
rough guesses.
>>>   
 The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a 
 high-profile
 
>>> vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in 
>>> twice as many theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks 
>>> co-produced with Warner Bros.
>>>   
 Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 
 million in its
 
>>> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. sai

RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

U...you mean the movie, right?  I mean, duck love...YIKES!!!
 
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:16 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(



Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest
movie secrets.

I love "Howard the Duck".

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 aladvantage.com> wrote:
Keith

I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(

Martin wrote:
> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
milieu!
>
> KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net wrote: I
really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
"National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless
action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time
it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love
that flick.
> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in
plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed
down from one President to another that details, among other things, the
truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>
> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>
> 
>
> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced
to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America,
distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened
last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued
on Wednesday.
> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the
2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies
around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
assassination.
> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales
of $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner
Bros. Pictures.
> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth
Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit
"Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas
Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
> The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75
million, and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both
after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks
Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
> The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile
vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as
many theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner
Bros.
> Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in
its first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it
hoped more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now
that Christmas-related chores are behind them.
> The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day
haul of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas
Day estimate for the box office disappointment.
> Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because
they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel
"Alien vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great
Debaters," and the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
> Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit
of Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal
Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures
is a u

RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Truly a picture in word form!
 
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:15 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(



Oh, they're helping. But there's *nothing* like the sensation of dropping
your hard-earned cash for something, followed by the simmering, impotent
rage that comes with the realization that you just got hosed...

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
media.com> wrote: 
And the Bond movies on Spike aren¹t good enough? I see I need to lend
someone my ³Transporter² DVDs.

On 12/26/07 11:52 AM, "Martin" mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
milieu!
> 
> KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net
 wrote:
> I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
tried
> to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to
go.
> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
Voight
> ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
Despite
> what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against
low
> brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action
> flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it
airs
> (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure
of
> adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that
flick.
> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in
plot.
> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed
down
> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth
of
> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
> 
> Please tell me none of you watched it?
> 
> 
> 
> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office
> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET
> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced
to
> $65 million during its first five days of release across North America,
> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened
> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued
on
> Wednesday.
> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to
the
> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies
> around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
> assassination.
> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales
of
> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros.
> Pictures.
> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth
Century
> Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit "Alvin
and
> the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales.
> After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
> The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75
million,
> and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five
> days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks
Pictures,
> warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
> The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile
vehicle
> starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many
> theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
> Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in
its
> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it
hoped
> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now
that
> Christmas-related chores are behind them.
> The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day
haul of
> $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day
> estimate for the box office disappointment.
> Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because
> they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action
sequel
> "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great
> Debaters," and the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
> Walt Disney Pictur

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-26 Thread Bosco Bosco

I can't recommend the DVR enough for catching TV without commercials
at convenient times.

I have been anti-television for a long long time until my girlfriend
got a DVR with her cable package. Now I am gonna get it for my own
home

LOST begins in January and I am on FIRE

Bosco
--- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I do not know.  I do not think that tops the list - except for the 
> prophet's rescue.  I would like to see the whole series again.  it
> comes 
> on t 11:00 am sporadically and at 2:00 am, however, I am trying out
> an 
> experiment with trying to go to bed at normal hours.Tough times
> ahead
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were
> coming through the wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of
> them. That might be the scene, since it was such a neat fix, but
> that's not the end of the War, technically. 
> >
> > At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the
> Changelings with a virus that was killing them all. Cardassia had
> risen against the Dominion, which devastated the planet in
> punishment. But, the Romulans had finally joined the
> Federation/Klingon alliance against the Dominion (thanks to Sisko
> and Garak's subterfuge) and the Prophets prevented more Dominion
> ships to come into the Alpha quadrant. Still, victory wasn't
> certain for either side, so Odo helped broker a deal: he would
> impart his healed DNA to the Changelings, and they would end the
> war. He healed the one Changeling who'd been running the campaign
> in the Alpha Quadrant, then travelled to the Changeling home world
> and gave them the cure. 
> >
> > Perhaps that ending was too pat for him?
> >
> > -- Original message -- 
> > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape
> changers 
> > start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to
> cure and 
> > stay with them?
> >
> > Daryle wrote:
> >   
> >> The End of the Dominion War.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.
> Minor)"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block
> busters, we
> >>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative
> fiction
> >>> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
> >>>
> >>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day
> in Star
> >>> Trek Next Generation
> >>>
> >>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few
> hours of
> >>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a
> technologically
> >>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
> >>> Independence Day"
> >>>
> >>> Got any others
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> 
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> 
> 


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RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

Ditto!
 
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:13 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(



(saluting a truly great man)

James Landrith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  .com>
wrote: No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 

The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children.

From: KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net
[mailto:KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
"National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless
action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time
it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love
that flick.
But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

Please tell me none of you watched it?

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RE: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark

My exact reply- "I feel like I want to rip out your f*cking lungs and feed
them to you." And I'm still proud of myself for saying it.

Good for you!  I'm guessing she didn't air the piece...or maybe did the
'angry Black man' angle, huh?
H...lung sandwich...
 
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:59 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark



Keith, as I was standing in the parking lot of my complex, watching fire
spatter across my roof, knowing that everything I owned (including some
comic books, two titles of which would make you weep), a reporter (still
working for Channel 2, so I'll be kind and not mention her name) sticks a
mike in my face and asks me the immortal question, "How do you feel right
now, sir?"

My exact reply- "I feel like I want to rip out your f*cking lungs and feed
them to you." And I'm still proud of myself for saying it.

KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net wrote:
i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then
there are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment. 
okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?!

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From: Martin mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying
regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all
know, too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated
in a myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said
anything to this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've
only had one mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst
possible moments of my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said
was easily translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb
County's Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of
incarceration for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not
readily available for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk
on.

KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net wrote:
Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you
intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's
bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as
he obviously seems to think he was misquoted...

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LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site
articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish
newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily
Record, Smith was quoted saying: "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me
do the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning
and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was
'good.'"
The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: "Remarkably, Will
believes everyone is basically good."
Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about
the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a "good"
person.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

I had actually forgotten about the vanishing Dominion ships...yes,
YES...that WAS even hokier than the Romulans coming on board with a Klingon
Alliance. And the Founders¹ virus. For as much as I loved DS9,  I¹ve never
seen an American show turn so miserably British so fast.


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wrote:

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>  
>  
> 
> Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were coming through
> the wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of them. That might be the scene,
> since it was such a neat fix, but that's not the end of the War, technically.
> 
> At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the Changelings with a
> virus that was killing them all. Cardassia had risen against the Dominion,
> which devastated the planet in punishment. But, the Romulans had finally
> joined the Federation/Klingon alliance against the Dominion (thanks to Sisko
> and Garak's subterfuge) and the Prophets prevented more Dominion ships to come
> into the Alpha quadrant. Still, victory wasn't certain for either side, so Odo
> helped broker a deal: he would impart his healed DNA to the Changelings, and
> they would end the war. He healed the one Changeling who'd been running the
> campaign in the Alpha Quadrant, then travelled to the Changeling home world
> and gave them the cure.
> 
> Perhaps that ending was too pat for him?
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >
> Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers
> start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and
> stay with them?
> 
> Daryle wrote:
>> > The End of the Dominion War.
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>> >
>> > On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  > wrote:
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>>> >> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>>> >> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>>> >> Trek Next Generation
>>> >>
>>> >> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>>> >> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>>> >> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
>>> >> Independence Day"
>>> >>
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Both Conan movie finales. In the first Conan flick (which I love) i thought 
Conan overcoming Thulsa Doom's mental control to chop off his head was 
anticlimactic. He wobbled for a bit, then starts swinging the sword. Always 
feel let down by that one.

And in Conan the Destroyer, the fight with the "god" at the end is just 
laughable. With the obvious fake lightning and thunder (stagehands flickering 
the lights and hitting metal sheets with hammers) Conan jumps on the underworld 
creature and literally tears its mouth open to kill it. Supposed to be a big 
deal, but seemed stupid to me. Who's he supposed to be, Hercules?

-- Original message -- 
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> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
> movies. So far two were raised. They are: 
> 
> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
> Trek Next Generation 
> 
> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
> Independence Day" 
> 
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2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

that 2 am slot sucks. I could tape it, but the commercial interrruptions kill 
me, and Spike seems to be airing shows that have snippets cut here and there 
for timing. (it's worse for the OS series rerun, where I can easily detect the 
cuts). 
what are the tough times ahead?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I do not know. I do not think that tops the list - except for the 
prophet's rescue. I would like to see the whole series again. it comes 
on t 11:00 am sporadically and at 2:00 am, however, I am trying out an 
experiment with trying to go to bed at normal hours. Tough times ahead

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were coming through 
> the wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of them. That might be the 
> scene, since it was such a neat fix, but that's not the end of the War, 
> technically. 
>
> At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the Changelings with a 
> virus that was killing them all. Cardassia had risen against the Dominion, 
> which devastated the planet in punishment. But, the Romulans had finally 
> joined the Federation/Klingon alliance against the Dominion (thanks to Sisko 
> and Garak's subterfuge) and the Prophets prevented more Dominion ships to 
> come into the Alpha quadrant. Still, victory wasn't certain for either side, 
> so Odo helped broker a deal: he would impart his healed DNA to the 
> Changelings, and they would end the war. He healed the one Changeling who'd 
> been running the campaign in the Alpha Quadrant, then travelled to the 
> Changeling home world and gave them the cure. 
>
> Perhaps that ending was too pat for him?
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
> start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
> stay with them?
>
> Daryle wrote:
> 
>> The End of the Dominion War.
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>> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
>>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>>> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
>>>
>>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>>> Trek Next Generation
>>>
>>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
>>> Independence Day"
>>>
>>> Got any others
>>>
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>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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I do not know.  I do not think that tops the list - except for the 
prophet's rescue.  I would like to see the whole series again.  it comes 
on t 11:00 am sporadically and at 2:00 am, however, I am trying out an 
experiment with trying to go to bed at normal hours.Tough times ahead

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were coming through 
> the wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of them. That might be the 
> scene, since it was such a neat fix, but that's not the end of the War, 
> technically. 
>
> At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the Changelings with a 
> virus that was killing them all. Cardassia had risen against the Dominion, 
> which devastated the planet in punishment. But, the Romulans had finally 
> joined the Federation/Klingon alliance against the Dominion (thanks to Sisko 
> and Garak's subterfuge) and the Prophets prevented more Dominion ships to 
> come into the Alpha quadrant. Still, victory wasn't certain for either side, 
> so Odo helped broker a deal: he would impart his healed DNA to the 
> Changelings, and they would end the war. He healed the one Changeling who'd 
> been running the campaign in the Alpha Quadrant, then travelled to the 
> Changeling home world and gave them the cure. 
>
> Perhaps that ending was too pat for him?
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
> start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
> stay with them?
>
> Daryle wrote:
>   
>> The End of the Dominion War.
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>> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> 
>>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
>>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>>> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
>>>
>>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>>> Trek Next Generation
>>>
>>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
>>> Independence Day"
>>>
>>> Got any others
>>>
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>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really late 
this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel asleep, 
but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard an ep of DS9 
in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling vaguely angry at why 
it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
getting the complete run of one of my favorite series:  Avatar, Battlestar 
Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original 
Trek, or DS9. 

I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
stay with them?

Daryle wrote:
> The End of the Dominion War.
>
>
> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
>>
>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>> Trek Next Generation
>>
>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
>> Independence Day"
>>
>> Got any others
>>
>>
>> 
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were coming through the 
wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of them. That might be the scene, 
since it was such a neat fix, but that's not the end of the War, technically. 

At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the Changelings with a virus 
that was killing them all. Cardassia had risen against the Dominion, which 
devastated the planet in punishment. But, the Romulans had finally joined the 
Federation/Klingon alliance against the Dominion (thanks to Sisko and Garak's 
subterfuge) and the Prophets prevented more Dominion ships to come into the 
Alpha quadrant. Still, victory wasn't certain for either side, so Odo helped 
broker a deal: he would impart his healed DNA to the Changelings, and they 
would end the war. He healed the one Changeling who'd been running the campaign 
in the Alpha Quadrant, then travelled to the Changeling home world and gave 
them the cure. 

Perhaps that ending was too pat for him?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
stay with them?

Daryle wrote:
> The End of the Dominion War.
>
>
> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
>>
>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>> Trek Next Generation
>>
>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
>> Independence Day"
>>
>> Got any others
>>
>>
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Bad moment, but it's not technically a "save".
For a bad straight out save from Star Wars, how about Luke getting his a&& 
kicked by the cackling Emperor, whining "Father! Help me please!". I always 
thought the conversion of Vader from this super bad buy who'd spent decades 
murdering his own former Jedi fellows to a good guy was rushed. We didn't get 
enough time to believe his love for Luke would grow like that. After all, he'd 
told the Emperor earlier Luke would joing them or die, then, after one meeting 
(when Luke, manacled, is carted off to the Emperor) he starts having pangs of 
guilt?? WTF? There wasn't any real time devoted to him and Luke getting to know 
each other, to bond. So that's his son? Big deal. The guy's killed God knows 
how many children over the years.

Every time i see that scene i hiss at the screen.

-- Original message -- 
From: Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Here is my nomination for the worst bad plot blockbuster of all time:

Revenge of The Sith: Anakin haunted by visions of the death of his
beloved Padme embraces the Dark Side in order to save her from what
he sees as an inescapable fate and when she questions his judgement,
he attempts to kill her. Not only is this one of the insipid and
lackluster character motivations of all time, it's also the single
most disappointing moment in the history of Sci-Fi. Watching George
Lucas destroy what could have been the single greatest legacy in the
history of the genre and essentially reduce it to used asswipe is
staggeringly heartbreaking. Arguably, there has never been a moment
more anticipated or considered in the history of Science Fiction than
the transition of Anakin Skywalker from Jedi Knight to Sith Lord. How
could he possibly have done that to himself and his work?

Bosco
--- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block
> busters, we 
> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
> movies. So far two were raised. They are:
> 
> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in
> Star 
> Trek Next Generation
> 
> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few
> hours of 
> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a
> technologically 
> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
> Independence Day"
> 
> Got any others
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
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> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

i see a spinoff group being created soon:   SciFiNoir Kids! :0

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From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Thomas is still big, she is just not that into him and there was a major 
> recall recently, so we embraced her inner Car to make up for not having 
> the train. Besides, have you watched Thomas the Train? What are they 
> teaching kids? "how to be petty, tease friends and be cruel while 
> respecting the corporate bosses !?!?! I'm left scratching my head at 
> the end of some of those episodes. 
> 
> She has not seen Static yet, but she loves Superman and Batman, so I 
> introduced her to Power Puffs last week and she was hooked. There was a 
> Green Lantern Show? When? 
> 
> Fortunately, Lazytown and Barney were not obsessive, however, Dora is to 
> some degree. Most of the shows, she needs to see alot of I like or can 
> tolerate. However, once she is done with seeing them over and over and 
> over, I need a break from them all. 
> 
> 
> Daryle wrote: 
> > Be glad you missed the ³Thomas² phase. My son¹s the same age. ³Thomas² type 
> > kids are obsessive collectors, and my son is one. We missed Barney 
> > completely. We did ³Thomas², ³Cars², and ³Static Shock². Well, we¹re still 
> > doing ³Static Shock², actually. (Because dad is not having a ³Superman² 
> > phase without at least a Green Lantern or SOME brother in the mix) I¹m so 
> > mad they canceled that show I don¹t know what to do. I only have it on VHS. 
> > 
> > As for ³Lazy Town²...God bless you. That show is entirely too damn loud. We 
> > bought those Nick Jr DVDs (they run like 6 hours!) so that he isn¹t exposed 
> > to the commercials between the shows and Lazy Town is on it. As much as I 
> > wanna support the show because of Pixel...that show is just no go. ³Dora² 
> > also yells throughout her whole show, but at least I can tolerate the 
> > music. 
> > 
> > 
> > On 12/26/07 2:43 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
> > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I know it is inevitable. I just survived Barney and Lazy Town. Don't 
> >> you remember just a few short days ago, I told you we had to watch the 
> >> Grinch five times a day and then listen to the soundtrack a few dozen 
> >> times or how we have to watch Cars, draw Cars, color Cars, build cars, 
> >> be Cars (by poor husband is often Mater) and play with Cars around the 
> >> clock. but you can't blame me for doing whatever it took to avert the 
> >> alvin and the chipmunks tragedy! 
> >> 
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> >> 
>  Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times 
>  that 
>  
> >>> he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-stop mania. It 
> >>> could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange 
> Teletubbies 
> >>> with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-seeming plots. Or it 
> >>> might even be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth viewing, 
> >>> simply makes you want to pull your eyes out. I remember many parents 
> >>> complaining that if they heard Barney's "I love you, you love me..." one 
> more 
> >>> time they'd go bonkers! 
> >>> 
>  In the old days parents just self-medicated while their kids zoned out 
>  on 
>  
> >>> the stuff... not an option i know! :) 
> >>> 
>  -- Original message -- 
>  From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 
>  
> >>> > >>> > 
> >>> 
>  
>  
> >> James: 
> >> 
> >> You have me living in fear of how long I can keep my daughter away 
> >> from 
> >> commercial kids shows (we are still on PBS, Disney Pre-School, Noggin 
> >> and Nick Jr) or the influence of other kids who will be advocating for 
> >> "Alfin and his ilk. Be strong... 
> >> 
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> >> 
> >> 
>  -- Original message -- 
>  From: "James Landrith" 
>  How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a 
>  plot 
>  that involved talking and singing chipmunks. 
>  
>  For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron 
>  
> > Giant, 
> > 
>  Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar. 
>  
>  Someone explain to me why he liked this 
>  
> > Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made? 
> > 
>  I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network, 
>  
> > Nick, 
> > 
>  Radio Disney, etc. 
>  
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] 
> > 
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM 
>  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>  Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - 
>  :( 
>  
>  lo siento! 
>  
>  how wa

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

yes indeed. 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
That outsmarting the computer theme seems to appear every season on the 
Original Star Trek and Next Generation

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super computer, causing it to 
> self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable programming loops? He did 
> that with M5 ("How will you atone for the sin of murder"..."This computer 
> must die..."), Nomad ("Nomad, you've made three errors, you are flawed. 
> Execute your prime directive". "Boom!") and Landru ("You are not protecting 
> the Body!" "Landru! Help me! Boom!") 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
> 
>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
>> movies. So far two were raised. They are: 
>>
>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
>> Trek Next Generation 
>>
>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
>> Independence Day" 
>>
>> Got any others 
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links 
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>>
>>
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RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

Fortunately, my son skipped out on "Thomas." He did get into wooden trains
though.  We (me, wife and my father) bought him one of those expensive Brio
sets for his 4th birthday.  For various birthdays and Christmases following,
he received add-on tunnels, new cars, etc.  Charles spent many hours
assembling, disassembling and experimenting with track configurations.

At 10, he doesn't play with it much anymore, but being of solid wood and in
excellent condition - he'll be able to pass it on (hundreds of pieces, cars,
add-ons, etc.) to his children.

I think this expensive Brio set was our way of heading off the Thomas mania
before it started...

-Original Message-
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:07 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

Thomas is still big, she is just not that into him and there was a major 
recall recently, so we embraced her inner Car to make up for not having 
the train.  Besides, have you watched Thomas the Train?  What are they 
teaching kids? "how to be petty, tease friends and be cruel while 
respecting the corporate bosses !?!?!  I'm left scratching my head at 
the end of some of those episodes. 

She has not seen Static yet, but she loves Superman and Batman, so I 
introduced her to Power Puffs last week and she was hooked.  There was a 
Green Lantern Show? When?   

Fortunately, Lazytown and Barney were not obsessive, however, Dora is to 
some degree.  Most of the shows, she needs to see alot of I like or can 
tolerate.  However, once she is done with seeing them over and over  and 
over, I need a break from them all.

Daryle wrote:
> Be glad you missed the ³Thomas² phase. My son¹s the same age. ³Thomas²
type
> kids are obsessive collectors,  and my  son is one. We missed Barney
> completely.  We did ³Thomas², ³Cars², and ³Static Shock². Well, we¹re
still
> doing ³Static Shock²,  actually. (Because dad is not having a ³Superman²
> phase without at  least a Green Lantern or SOME brother in the mix) I¹m so
> mad they canceled that  show I don¹t know what to do. I only have it on
VHS.
>
> As for ³Lazy Town²...God bless you. That show is entirely too damn loud.
We
> bought those Nick Jr DVDs (they run like 6 hours!) so that  he isn¹t
exposed
> to the commercials between the shows and Lazy Town is on it.  As much as I
> wanna support the show because of Pixel...that show is just no go. ³Dora²
> also yells throughout her whole show, but at  least I can tolerate the
> music.
>
>
> On 12/26/07 2:43 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> I know it is inevitable.  I just survived Barney and Lazy Town.  Don't
>> you remember just a few short days ago, I told you we had to watch the
>> Grinch five times a day and then listen to the soundtrack a few dozen
>> times or how we have to watch Cars, draw Cars, color Cars, build cars,
>> be Cars (by poor husband is often Mater)  and play with Cars around the
>> clock.  but you can't blame me for doing whatever it took to avert the
>> alvin and the chipmunks tragedy!
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:
>> 
 Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times
that

>>> he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-stop mania.
It
>>> could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange
Teletubbies
>>> with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-seeming plots. Or it
>>> might even be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth viewing,
>>> simply makes you want to pull your eyes out. I remember many parents
>>> complaining that if they heard Barney's "I love you, you love me..." one
more
>>> time they'd go bonkers!
>>>   
 In the old days parents just self-medicated while their kids zoned out
on

>>> the stuff... not an option i know!  :)
>>>   
 -- Original message --
 From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"

>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>  >
>>>   

>> James: 
>>
>> You have me living in fear of how long I can keep my daughter away
from
>> commercial kids shows (we are still on PBS, Disney Pre-School, Noggin
>> and Nick Jr) or the influence of other kids who will be advocating
for
>> "Alfin and his ilk. Be strong...
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
>> 
>> 
 -- Original message --
 From: "James Landrith"
 How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a
plot
 that involved talking and singing chipmunks.

 For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-26 Thread Bosco Bosco

Here is my nomination for the worst bad plot blockbuster of all time:

Revenge of The Sith: Anakin haunted by visions of the death of his
beloved Padme embraces the Dark Side in order to save her from what
he sees as an inescapable fate and when she questions his judgement,
he attempts to kill her. Not only is this one of the insipid and
lackluster character motivations of all time, it's also the single
most disappointing moment in the history of Sci-Fi. Watching George
Lucas destroy what could have been the single greatest legacy in the
history of the genre and essentially reduce it to used asswipe is
staggeringly heartbreaking. Arguably, there has never been a moment
more anticipated or considered in the history of Science Fiction than
the transition of Anakin Skywalker from Jedi Knight to Sith Lord. How
could he possibly have done that to himself and his work?

Bosco
--- "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block
> busters, we 
> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
> movies.  So far two were raised.  They are:
> 
> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in
> Star 
> Trek Next Generation
> 
> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few
> hours of 
> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a
> technologically 
> superior  society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
> Independence Day"
> 
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Refresh my memory.  I forgot how it ended.  Didn't the shape changers 
start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
stay with them?

Daryle wrote:
> The End of the Dominion War.
>
>
> On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
>> movies.  So far two were raised.  They are:
>>
>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
>> Trek Next Generation
>>
>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
>> superior  society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
>> Independence Day"
>>
>> Got any others
>>
>>
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

Thomas is still big, she is just not that into him and there was a major 
recall recently, so we embraced her inner Car to make up for not having 
the train.  Besides, have you watched Thomas the Train?  What are they 
teaching kids? "how to be petty, tease friends and be cruel while 
respecting the corporate bosses !?!?!  I'm left scratching my head at 
the end of some of those episodes. 

She has not seen Static yet, but she loves Superman and Batman, so I 
introduced her to Power Puffs last week and she was hooked.  There was a 
Green Lantern Show? When?   

Fortunately, Lazytown and Barney were not obsessive, however, Dora is to 
some degree.  Most of the shows, she needs to see alot of I like or can 
tolerate.  However, once she is done with seeing them over and over  and 
over, I need a break from them all.


Daryle wrote:
> Be glad you missed the ³Thomas² phase. My son¹s the same age. ³Thomas² type
> kids are obsessive collectors,  and my  son is one. We missed Barney
> completely.  We did ³Thomas², ³Cars², and ³Static Shock². Well, we¹re still
> doing ³Static Shock²,  actually. (Because dad is not having a ³Superman²
> phase without at  least a Green Lantern or SOME brother in the mix) I¹m so
> mad they canceled that  show I don¹t know what to do. I only have it on VHS.
>
> As for ³Lazy Town²...God bless you. That show is entirely too damn loud. We
> bought those Nick Jr DVDs (they run like 6 hours!) so that  he isn¹t exposed
> to the commercials between the shows and Lazy Town is on it.  As much as I
> wanna support the show because of Pixel...that show is just no go. ³Dora²
> also yells throughout her whole show, but at  least I can tolerate the
> music.
>
>
> On 12/26/07 2:43 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> I know it is inevitable.  I just survived Barney and Lazy Town.  Don't
>> you remember just a few short days ago, I told you we had to watch the
>> Grinch five times a day and then listen to the soundtrack a few dozen
>> times or how we have to watch Cars, draw Cars, color Cars, build cars,
>> be Cars (by poor husband is often Mater)  and play with Cars around the
>> clock.  but you can't blame me for doing whatever it took to avert the
>> alvin and the chipmunks tragedy!
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:
>> 
 Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times that
 
>>> he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-stop mania. It
>>> could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange 
>>> Teletubbies
>>> with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-seeming plots. Or it
>>> might even be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth viewing,
>>> simply makes you want to pull your eyes out. I remember many parents
>>> complaining that if they heard Barney's "I love you, you love me..." one 
>>> more
>>> time they'd go bonkers!
>>>   
 In the old days parents just self-medicated while their kids zoned out on
 
>>> the stuff... not an option i know!  :)
>>>   
 -- Original message --
 From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
 
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>  >
>>>   
   
 
>> James: 
>>
>> You have me living in fear of how long I can keep my daughter away from
>> commercial kids shows (we are still on PBS, Disney Pre-School, Noggin
>> and Nick Jr) or the influence of other kids who will be advocating for
>> "Alfin and his ilk. Be strong...
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:
>> 
>> 
 -- Original message --
 From: "James Landrith"
 How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a plot
 that involved talking and singing chipmunks.

 For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron
 
> Giant, 
>   
 Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar.

 Someone explain to me why he liked this
 
> Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made?
>   
 I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network,
 
> Nick, 
>   
 Radio Disney, etc.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ]
>   
 Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

 lo siento!

 how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History



The End of the Dominion War.


On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
> movies.  So far two were raised.  They are:
> 
> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
> Trek Next Generation
> 
> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of
> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
> superior  society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
> Independence Day"
> 
> Got any others
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)


Be glad you missed the ³Thomas² phase. My son¹s the same age. ³Thomas² type
kids are obsessive collectors,  and my  son is one. We missed Barney
completely.  We did ³Thomas², ³Cars², and ³Static Shock². Well, we¹re still
doing ³Static Shock²,  actually. (Because dad is not having a ³Superman²
phase without at  least a Green Lantern or SOME brother in the mix) I¹m so
mad they canceled that  show I don¹t know what to do. I only have it on VHS.

As for ³Lazy Town²...God bless you. That show is entirely too damn loud. We
bought those Nick Jr DVDs (they run like 6 hours!) so that  he isn¹t exposed
to the commercials between the shows and Lazy Town is on it.  As much as I
wanna support the show because of Pixel...that show is just no go. ³Dora²
also yells throughout her whole show, but at  least I can tolerate the
music.


On 12/26/07 2:43 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> I know it is inevitable.  I just survived Barney and Lazy Town.  Don't
> you remember just a few short days ago, I told you we had to watch the
> Grinch five times a day and then listen to the soundtrack a few dozen
> times or how we have to watch Cars, draw Cars, color Cars, build cars,
> be Cars (by poor husband is often Mater)  and play with Cars around the
> clock.  but you can't blame me for doing whatever it took to avert the
> alvin and the chipmunks tragedy!
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:
>> > Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times that
>> he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-stop mania. It
>> could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange Teletubbies
>> with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-seeming plots. Or it
>> might even be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth viewing,
>> simply makes you want to pull your eyes out. I remember many parents
>> complaining that if they heard Barney's "I love you, you love me..." one more
>> time they'd go bonkers!
>> >
>> > In the old days parents just self-medicated while their kids zoned out on
>> the stuff... not an option i know!  :)
>> >
>> > -- Original message --
>> > From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  >
>> >
>> >   
>>> >> James: 
>>> >>
>>> >> You have me living in fear of how long I can keep my daughter away from
>>> >> commercial kids shows (we are still on PBS, Disney Pre-School, Noggin
>>> >> and Nick Jr) or the influence of other kids who will be advocating for
>>> >> "Alfin and his ilk. Be strong...
>>> >>
>>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:
>>> >> 
 >>> -- Original message --
 >>> From: "James Landrith"
 >>> How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a plot
 >>> that involved talking and singing chipmunks.
 >>>
 >>> For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron
 Giant, 
 >>> Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar.
 >>>
 >>> Someone explain to me why he liked this
 Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made?
 >>>
 >>> I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network,
 Nick, 
 >>> Radio Disney, etc.
 >>>
 >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ]
 >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM
 >>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 >>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
 >>>
 >>> lo siento!
 >>>
 >>> how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's
 >>> quite good. "The Iron Giant" and "The Incredibles" come to mind. Even
 >>> "Robots" or "Madagascar" are okay for adults to sit through once. But
 Alvin 
 >>> just seemed horrible to me from the trailers...
 >>>
 >>> -- Original message --
 >>> From: "James Landrith" > > >
 >>> No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old.
 >>>
 >>> The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children.
 >>>
 >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
] 
 >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM
 >>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 >>> Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
 >>>
 >>> I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
 >>> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend.
I 
 >>> tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday
 night, as 
 >>> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

Fortunately, the Alvin tragedy has been temporarily averted.  I'm hoping 
for a year or two before we get hit.  However, I fear Alvin will get us 
in a DVD preview sometime soon, so I am somewhat resigned. :(

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> you're a naturist. Surely you can cook something up in the kitchen that can 
> be smok--er, ingested--which will leave you pleasantly numb and detached, a 
> never fadig plastic smile on your face, while allowing you to keep Kira 
> entertained!
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I know it is inevitable. I just survived Barney and Lazy Town. Don't 
> you remember just a few short days ago, I told you we had to watch the 
> Grinch five times a day and then listen to the soundtrack a few dozen 
> times or how we have to watch Cars, draw Cars, color Cars, build cars, 
> be Cars (by poor husband is often Mater) and play with Cars around the 
> clock. but you can't blame me for doing whatever it took to avert the 
> alvin and the chipmunks tragedy!
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   
>> Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times that 
>> he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-stop mania. It 
>> could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange 
>> Teletubbies with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-seeming 
>> plots. Or it might even be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth 
>> viewing, simply makes you want to pull your eyes out. I remember many 
>> parents complaining that if they heard Barney's "I love you, you love me..." 
>> one more time they'd go bonkers!
>>
>> In the old days parents just self-medicated while their kids zoned out on 
>> the stuff... not an option i know! :)
>>
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>> James: 
>>>
>>> You have me living in fear of how long I can keep my daughter away from 
>>> commercial kids shows (we are still on PBS, Disney Pre-School, Noggin 
>>> and Nick Jr) or the influence of other kids who will be advocating for 
>>> "Alfin and his ilk. Be strong... 
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
>>>
>>>   
 -- Original message -- 
 From: "James Landrith" 
 How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a plot 
 that involved talking and singing chipmunks. 

 For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron Giant, 
 Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar. 

 Someone explain to me why he liked this Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made? 

 I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network, Nick, 
 Radio Disney, etc. 

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :( 

 lo siento! 

 how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's 
 quite good. "The Iron Giant" and "The Incredibles" come to mind. Even 
 "Robots" or "Madagascar" are okay for adults to sit through once. But 
 Alvin 
 just seemed horrible to me from the trailers... 

 -- Original message -- 
 From: "James Landrith" > > > 
 No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 

 The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children. 

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :( 

 I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making 
 "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I 
 tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, 
 as 
 background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to 
 go. 
 Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and 
 Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. 
 Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing 
 against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or 
 mindless 
 action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time 
 it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic 
 pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". 
 Love 
 that flick. 
 But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in 
 plot. 
 Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed 
 down 
 from one President to another that details, among other thi

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

That outsmarting the computer theme seems to appear every season on the 
Original Star Trek and Next Generation

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super computer, causing it to 
> self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable programming loops? He did 
> that with M5 ("How will you atone for the sin of murder"..."This computer 
> must die..."), Nomad ("Nomad, you've made three errors, you are flawed. 
> Execute your prime directive"."Boom!") and Landru ("You are not 
> protecting the Body!" "Landru! Help me!  Boom!") 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>   
>> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
>> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
>> movies. So far two were raised. They are: 
>>
>> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
>> Trek Next Generation 
>>
>> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
>> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
>> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
>> Independence Day" 
>>
>> Got any others 
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>
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>
>
>
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

you're a naturist. Surely you can cook something up in the kitchen that can be 
smok--er, ingested--which will leave you pleasantly numb and detached, a never 
fadig plastic smile on your face, while allowing you to keep Kira entertained!

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I know it is inevitable. I just survived Barney and Lazy Town. Don't 
you remember just a few short days ago, I told you we had to watch the 
Grinch five times a day and then listen to the soundtrack a few dozen 
times or how we have to watch Cars, draw Cars, color Cars, build cars, 
be Cars (by poor husband is often Mater) and play with Cars around the 
clock. but you can't blame me for doing whatever it took to avert the 
alvin and the chipmunks tragedy!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times that 
> he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-stop mania. It 
> could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange Teletubbies 
> with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-seeming plots. Or it 
> might even be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth viewing, 
> simply makes you want to pull your eyes out. I remember many parents 
> complaining that if they heard Barney's "I love you, you love me..." one more 
> time they'd go bonkers!
>
> In the old days parents just self-medicated while their kids zoned out on the 
> stuff... not an option i know! :)
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
> 
>> James: 
>>
>> You have me living in fear of how long I can keep my daughter away from 
>> commercial kids shows (we are still on PBS, Disney Pre-School, Noggin 
>> and Nick Jr) or the influence of other kids who will be advocating for 
>> "Alfin and his ilk. Be strong... 
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
>> 
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "James Landrith" 
>>> How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a plot 
>>> that involved talking and singing chipmunks. 
>>>
>>> For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron Giant, 
>>> Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar. 
>>>
>>> Someone explain to me why he liked this Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made? 
>>>
>>> I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network, Nick, 
>>> Radio Disney, etc. 
>>>
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM 
>>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :( 
>>>
>>> lo siento! 
>>>
>>> how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's 
>>> quite good. "The Iron Giant" and "The Incredibles" come to mind. Even 
>>> "Robots" or "Madagascar" are okay for adults to sit through once. But Alvin 
>>> just seemed horrible to me from the trailers... 
>>>
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "James Landrith" > > > 
>>> No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 
>>>
>>> The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children. 
>>>
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM 
>>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>>> Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :( 
>>>
>>> I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making 
>>> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I 
>>> tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as 
>>> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. 
>>> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and 
>>> Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. 
>>> Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing 
>>> against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or 
>>> mindless 
>>> action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time 
>>> it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic 
>>> pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". 
>>> Love 
>>> that flick. 
>>> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
>>> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
>>> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth 
>>> of 
>>> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! 
>>>
>>> Please tell me none of you watched it? 
>>>
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>>>
>>> Y

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super computer, causing it to 
self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable programming loops? He did 
that with M5 ("How will you atone for the sin of murder"..."This computer must 
die..."), Nomad ("Nomad, you've made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your 
prime directive"."Boom!") and Landru ("You are not protecting the 
Body!" "Landru! Help me!  Boom!") 
-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
> started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
> movies. So far two were raised. They are: 
> 
> 1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
> Trek Next Generation 
> 
> 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
> virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
> superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
> Independence Day" 
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

I know it is inevitable.  I just survived Barney and Lazy Town.  Don't 
you remember just a few short days ago, I told you we had to watch the 
Grinch five times a day and then listen to the soundtrack a few dozen 
times or how we have to watch Cars, draw Cars, color Cars, build cars, 
be Cars (by poor husband is often Mater)  and play with Cars around the 
clock.  but you can't blame me for doing whatever it took to avert the 
alvin and the chipmunks tragedy!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times that 
> he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-stop mania. It 
> could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange Teletubbies 
> with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-seeming plots. Or it 
> might even be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth viewing, 
> simply makes you want to pull your eyes out. I remember many parents 
> complaining that if they heard Barney's "I love you, you love me..." one more 
> time they'd go bonkers!
>
> In the old days parents just self-medicated while their kids zoned out on the 
> stuff... not an option i know!  :)
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>   
>> James: 
>>
>> You have me living in fear of how long I can keep my daughter away from 
>> commercial kids shows (we are still on PBS, Disney Pre-School, Noggin 
>> and Nick Jr) or the influence of other kids who will be advocating for 
>> "Alfin and his ilk. Be strong... 
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
>> 
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "James Landrith" 
>>> How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a plot 
>>> that involved talking and singing chipmunks. 
>>>
>>> For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron Giant, 
>>> Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar. 
>>>
>>> Someone explain to me why he liked this Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made? 
>>>
>>> I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network, Nick, 
>>> Radio Disney, etc. 
>>>
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM 
>>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :( 
>>>
>>> lo siento! 
>>>
>>> how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's 
>>> quite good. "The Iron Giant" and "The Incredibles" come to mind. Even 
>>> "Robots" or "Madagascar" are okay for adults to sit through once. But Alvin 
>>> just seemed horrible to me from the trailers... 
>>>
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "James Landrith" > > > 
>>> No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 
>>>
>>> The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children. 
>>>
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM 
>>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>>> Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :( 
>>>
>>> I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making 
>>> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I 
>>> tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as 
>>> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. 
>>> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and 
>>> Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. 
>>> Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing 
>>> against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or 
>>> mindless 
>>> action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time 
>>> it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic 
>>> pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". 
>>> Love 
>>> that flick. 
>>> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
>>> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
>>> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth 
>>> of 
>>> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! 
>>>
>>> Please tell me none of you watched it? 
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[scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
movies.  So far two were raised.  They are:

1. "Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
Trek Next Generation

2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with "his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
superior  society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
Independence Day"

Got any others


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times that 
he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-stop mania. It could 
be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange Teletubbies with 
their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-seeming plots. Or it might even 
be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth viewing, simply makes you 
want to pull your eyes out. I remember many parents complaining that if they 
heard Barney's "I love you, you love me..." one more time they'd go bonkers!

In the old days parents just self-medicated while their kids zoned out on the 
stuff... not an option i know!  :)

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> James: 
> 
> You have me living in fear of how long I can keep my daughter away from 
> commercial kids shows (we are still on PBS, Disney Pre-School, Noggin 
> and Nick Jr) or the influence of other kids who will be advocating for 
> "Alfin and his ilk. Be strong... 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> > -- Original message -- 
> > From: "James Landrith" 
> > How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a plot 
> > that involved talking and singing chipmunks. 
> > 
> > For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron Giant, 
> > Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar. 
> > 
> > Someone explain to me why he liked this Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made? 
> > 
> > I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network, Nick, 
> > Radio Disney, etc. 
> > 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :( 
> > 
> > lo siento! 
> > 
> > how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's 
> > quite good. "The Iron Giant" and "The Incredibles" come to mind. Even 
> > "Robots" or "Madagascar" are okay for adults to sit through once. But Alvin 
> > just seemed horrible to me from the trailers... 
> > 
> > -- Original message -- 
> > From: "James Landrith" > > > 
> > No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 
> > 
> > The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children. 
> > 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :( 
> > 
> > I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making 
> > "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I 
> > tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as 
> > background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. 
> > Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and 
> > Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. 
> > Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing 
> > against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or 
> > mindless 
> > action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time 
> > it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic 
> > pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". 
> > Love 
> > that flick. 
> > But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
> > Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
> > from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth 
> > of 
> > what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! 
> > 
> > Please tell me none of you watched it? 
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - Night Of The Comet

Wow!  Who knew there were legions of fans?

Daryle wrote:
> We do NOT cross against the light.
>
> DMK!! Is that you?!
>
> You and Tracey will appreciate this, then, if you weren¹t aware already:
>
> http://www.nightofthecomet.info/
>
> And...
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Night-Comet-Robert-Beltran/dp/B000MDFTHE/ref=pd_bbs_sr
> _1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1198695322&sr=8-1
>
> It is also being shown on Showtime on the 31st at 5.
>
> This will serve as my last bad movie PSA for 2007.
>
>
>
> On 12/26/07 1:34 PM, "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Remember, never cross against the light...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  ]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:58 PM
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>>
>> I Love Night of The Comet
>>
>> Daryle wrote:
>> 
 Oh, is this turning into THAT discussion?

 ³Night Of the Comet². AND I bought it on VHS.

 On 12/26/07 12:15 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
>>>  > wrote:
>>>   
   
 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest,
>> 
>> darkest
>> 
>> movie secrets.
>>  
>>  I love "Howard the Duck".
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
 
 
>>  > wrote:
>>  Keith
>>
>> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the
>> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
>> 
>> 
 milieu!
   
 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> 
>>   wrote:
>> 
>> I
>> 
>> 
>> 
 really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
 "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend.
 
> I
>   
 tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday
 
> night,
>   
>> as
>> 
 background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to
 
>> go.
>> 
 Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
 
>> Voight
>> 
 ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
 
>> Despite
>> 
 what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against
 
>> low
>> 
 brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action
 flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it
 
>> airs
>> 
 (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
 
>> pleasure of
>> 
 adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that
 
>> flick.
>> 
   
 
>> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in
>> 
>> plot.
>> 
>> 
>> 
 Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed
 
>> down
>> 
 from one President to another that details, among other things, the
 
>> truth of
>> 
 what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
   
 
>> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>>
>> 
>>
>> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office
>> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET
>> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets"
>> 
>> raced
>> 
>> 
>> 
 to $65 million during its first five days of release across North
 
>> America,
>> 
 distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
   
 
>> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film
>> 
>> opened
>> 
>> 
>>

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

James:

You have me living in fear of how long I can keep my daughter away from 
commercial kids shows (we are still on PBS, Disney Pre-School, Noggin 
and Nick Jr) or the influence of other kids who will be advocating for 
"Alfin and his ilk.  Be strong...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a plot
> that involved talking and singing chipmunks.
>
> For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron Giant,
> Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar.
>
> Someone explain to me why he liked this Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made?
>
> I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network, Nick,
> Radio Disney, etc.
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
> lo siento!
>
> how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's
> quite good. "The Iron Giant" and "The Incredibles" come to mind. Even
> "Robots" or "Madagascar" are okay for adults to sit through once. But Alvin
> just seemed horrible to me from the trailers...
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > 
> No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 
>
> The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children.
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
> Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
> I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
> tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
> Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
> Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
> against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless
> action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time
> it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
> pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love
> that flick.
> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>
> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>
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RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

Among the most unlikely saves, that whole virus killing the alien network in 
ID4 ranks near the top. I was yelling at the screen when that happened (while 
the rest of the audience, i might add, was cheering). I kept thinking, "how 
could a conquering race that's thousands of years ahead of us have such a cheap 
ass firewall and suck-ass anti-virus software?"   I also hate the 
If-the-Mothership-Goes-Down-Then-all-ohter-ships-die-because-they-draw-power-from-the-mothership
 solution. Bogus!

the save in ID4 is about as bad as Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to 
save the day in Star Trek. What?! A race of superintelligent, super adaptive 
cyborgs who learn from every race they encounter, yet their internal systems 
programming is so bad that someone can put them in Sleep mode in the middle of 
an operation, and *then* on top of that the system literally blew up from its 
non-stop repair cycle?
WTF???

-- Original message -- 
From: "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
What? Are you saying that one man, a Mac laptop and a few hours of virus
coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior
society of interstellar conquerors on the first try? 

You so totally have to know that Steve Jobs is an alien so Macs are, of
course, compatible with all of the major Milky Way operating systems.

I refuse to believe otherwise.

From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:14 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

Can't get through either. Ugggh! 

I get a kick out of over the top Hollywoodized, corny, scifi 
blockbusters. National Treasure, The Island, Transformers, Independence 
Day. See a trend here. You could not pay me to go to the Theater to see 
them. just laughing a some of the ridiculous science or the silly over 
the top lines is a hoot. 

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[scifinoir2] The Predator in Aliens vs. Predator: Requim

2007-12-26 Thread Said Kakese Dibinga

Story flaws and plot holes aside, the Predator in "Aliens vs. Predator: Requim" 
is no joke. The Predator is here to take care of buisnes, the business, and 
only the business and thats to kill the Aliens and the Hybrid (nasty). 
According to the directors, the Predators code name is "Wolf". He's the alien 
version of Harvy Keitals "The Cleaner"..
   
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - Night Of The Comet

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)


We do NOT cross against the light.

DMK!! Is that you?!

You and Tracey will appreciate this, then, if you weren¹t aware already:

http://www.nightofthecomet.info/

And...

http://www.amazon.com/Night-Comet-Robert-Beltran/dp/B000MDFTHE/ref=pd_bbs_sr
_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1198695322&sr=8-1

It is also being shown on Showtime on the 31st at 5.

This will serve as my last bad movie PSA for 2007.



On 12/26/07 1:34 PM, "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Remember, never cross against the light...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  ]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:58 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
> 
> I Love Night of The Comet
> 
> Daryle wrote:
>> > Oh, is this turning into THAT discussion?
>> >
>> > ³Night Of the Comet². AND I bought it on VHS.
>> >
>> > On 12/26/07 12:15 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  > wrote:
>> >
>> >   
>>> >>  
>>> >>  
>>> >>  
>>> >>
>>> >> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest,
> darkest
>>> >> movie secrets.
>>> >>  
>>> >>  I love "Howard the Duck".
>>> >>
>>> >> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 
>>> >>  > wrote:
>>> >>  Keith
>>> >>
>>> >> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the
>>> >> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>>> >>
>>> >> Martin wrote:
>>> >> 
>  But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
>  
 >>> milieu!
 >>>   
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   wrote:
> I
>  
 >>> really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
 >>> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend.
I
 >>> tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday
 night,
> as
 >>> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to
> go.
 >>> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
> Voight
 >>> ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
> Despite
 >>> what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against
> low
 >>> brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action
 >>> flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it
> airs
 >>> (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
> pleasure of
 >>> adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that
> flick.
 >>>   
>  But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in
> plot.
>  
 >>> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed
> down
 >>> from one President to another that details, among other things, the
> truth of
 >>> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
 >>>   
>  Please tell me none of you watched it?
> 
>  
> 
>  "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office
>  Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET
>  Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets"
> raced
>  
 >>> to $65 million during its first five days of release across North
> America,
 >>> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
 >>>   
>  The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film
> opened
>  
 >>> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be
> issued on
 >>> Wednesday.
 >>>   
>  Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
>  
 >>> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel
to
> the
 >>> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who 
flies
 >>> around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
 >>> assassination.
 >>>   
>  Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day
> sales of
>  
 >>> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner
> Bros.
 >>> Pictures.
 >>>   
>  Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete.
> Twentieth
>  
 >>> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise
> hit
 >>> "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate
> Christmas Day
 >>> sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

James:

It is good to hold fast to your beliefs.

You see what I'm talking about?  That as fun movie.  Watch it with a 
bunch of geeks and you are rolling hysterically all over the floor.  So 
I take the ridiculous over the top, "technically accurate" scifi 
blockbuster every time for a good laugh.  

James Landrith wrote:
> What?  Are you saying that one man, a Mac laptop and a few hours of virus
> coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior
> society of interstellar conquerors on the first try?  
>
>  
>
> You so totally have to know that Steve Jobs is an alien so Macs are, of
> course, compatible with all of the major Milky Way operating systems.
>
>  
>
> I refuse to believe otherwise.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
>  
>
> Can't get through either. Ugggh! 
>
> I get a kick out of over the top Hollywoodized, corny, scifi 
> blockbusters. National Treasure, The Island, Transformers, Independence 
> Day. See a trend here. You could not pay me to go to the Theater to see 
> them. just laughing a some of the ridiculous science or the silly over 
> the top lines is a hoot. 
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
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RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

man you had me spitting out the water i was drinking when i read this. LOL!!
The "movie-that-didn't-need-to-be-made"?! I love it.!
It is amazing what kids enjoy. Looking bad, rememeber all those great 
cartoons--from Bugs Bunny to Rocky and Bullwinkle to Fracture Fairy Tales--that 
had adult themes and jokes mixed in among the kid-friendly hijinx? That's how 
you should make a kids' movie: enough jokes and slapstick for the wee ones, but 
intelligence, innuendo, satire, and in jokes that adults can enjoy as well. 
that's why The Incredibles is one of the few CGI films that i absolutely love.

-- Original message -- 
From: "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
How was it? Not very good. At its core, the movie suffered from a plot
that involved talking and singing chipmunks.

For some reason, my son enjoyed it. This same kid loved TMNT, Iron Giant,
Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar.

Someone explain to me why he liked this Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made?

I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network, Nick,
Radio Disney, etc.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

lo siento!

how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's
quite good. "The Iron Giant" and "The Incredibles" come to mind. Even
"Robots" or "Madagascar" are okay for adults to sit through once. But Alvin
just seemed horrible to me from the trailers...

-- Original message -- 
From: "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > 
No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 

The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
"National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless
action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time
it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love
that flick.
But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

Please tell me none of you watched it?

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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

I love this movie.  It would take a G5 Macbook Pro with some SERIOUS
aftermarket modifications to do what Jeff Goldblum did A PowerBook with NO
wireless internet access and the processing power of what, a Palm 3? That
thing was lucky to be able to fax word documents, and if I recall, it did so
with a 14.4 modem. No zip drive, so we¹re talking  what, a whole half GIG of
storage capacity? And how much BATTERY life did his computer have?

On 12/26/07 1:58 PM, "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> What?  Are you saying that one man, a Mac laptop and a few hours of virus
> coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior
> society of interstellar conquerors on the first try?
> 
> You so totally have to know that Steve Jobs is an alien so Macs are, of
> course, compatible with all of the major Milky Way operating systems.
> 
> I refuse to believe otherwise.
> 
> From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  ]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
> 
> Can't get through either. Ugggh!
> 
> I get a kick out of over the top Hollywoodized, corny, scifi
> blockbusters. National Treasure, The Island, Transformers, Independence
> Day. See a trend here. You could not pay me to go to the Theater to see
> them. just laughing a some of the ridiculous science or the silly over
> the top lines is a hoot.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
>  
> 

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RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

What?  Are you saying that one man, a Mac laptop and a few hours of virus
coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically superior
society of interstellar conquerors on the first try?  

 

You so totally have to know that Steve Jobs is an alien so Macs are, of
course, compatible with all of the major Milky Way operating systems.

 

I refuse to believe otherwise.

 

 

From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:14 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

 

Can't get through either. Ugggh! 

I get a kick out of over the top Hollywoodized, corny, scifi 
blockbusters. National Treasure, The Island, Transformers, Independence 
Day. See a trend here. You could not pay me to go to the Theater to see 
them. just laughing a some of the ridiculous science or the silly over 
the top lines is a hoot. 



 



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RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

Remember, never cross against the light...


-Original Message-
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:58 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

I Love Night of The Comet

Daryle wrote:
> Oh, is this turning into THAT discussion?
>
> ³Night Of the Comet². AND I bought it on VHS.
>
> On 12/26/07 12:15 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest,
darkest
>> movie secrets.
>>  
>>  I love "Howard the Duck".
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  > wrote:
>>  Keith
>>
>> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the
>> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>> 
 But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
 
>>> milieu!
>>>   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:
I
 
>>> really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
>>> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
>>> tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night,
as
>>> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to
go.
>>> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
Voight
>>> ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
Despite
>>> what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against
low
>>> brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action
>>> flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it
airs
>>> (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
pleasure of
>>> adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that
flick.
>>>   
 But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in
plot.
 
>>> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed
down
>>> from one President to another that details, among other things, the
truth of
>>> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>>>   
 Please tell me none of you watched it?

 

 "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office
 Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET
 Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets"
raced
 
>>> to $65 million during its first five days of release across North
America,
>>> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
>>>   
 The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film
opened
 
>>> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be
issued on
>>> Wednesday.
>>>   
 Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
 
>>> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to
the
>>> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies
>>> around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
>>> assassination.
>>>   
 Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day
sales of
 
>>> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner
Bros.
>>> Pictures.
>>>   
 Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth
 
>>> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise
hit
>>> "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate
Christmas Day
>>> sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
>>>   
 The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75
 
>>> million, and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both
>>> after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and
DreamWorks
>>> Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
>>>   
 The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile
 
>>> vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice
as
>>> many theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with
Warner
>>> Bros.
>>>   
 Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in
its
 
>>> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it
hoped
>>> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now
that
>>> Christmas-related chores are behind them.
>>>   
 The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day
haul
 
>>> of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas
Day
>>> estimate for the box office disappointment.
>>>   
 Midfield rankings will ch

RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

How was it?  Not very good.  At its core, the movie suffered from a plot
that involved talking and singing chipmunks.

 

For some reason, my son enjoyed it.  This same kid loved TMNT, Iron Giant,
Incredibles, Robots and Madagascar.

 

Someone explain to me why he liked this Movie-That-Didn't-Need-To-Be-Made?

 

I'm guessing it was the barrage of advertising on Cartoon Network, Nick,
Radio Disney, etc.

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:47 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

 

lo siento!

how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's
quite good. "The Iron Giant" and "The Incredibles" come to mind. Even
"Robots" or "Madagascar" are okay for adults to sit through once. But Alvin
just seemed horrible to me from the trailers...

-- Original message -- 
From: "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > 
No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 

The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
"National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless
action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time
it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love
that flick.
But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

Please tell me none of you watched it?

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Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark


Smith has said this a few times. When ID4 opened he was one of the few stars
of the film who went to Asia to promote it. This is a great  strategy,  but,
as I said, the math catches up with you. The more ground you cover, the
greater your chances of being  misquoted.

Hopefully Will is learning, like many before him, that you can push to
knock down the doors all you want, but when you get through, you'd better
change the locks on the door you just pushed open, or you've just invited a
stampede. Everybody's not SUPPOSED to push through...you're not SUPPOSED to
win. That's what makes winners special.


On 12/26/07 12:53 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> funny you mention the responsibility of the actors themselves. People like
> Redford, Newman, Morgan Freeman, the late Robert Urich--all live or lived
> outside of Hollywood and were very careful with interviews, where they hang
> out, etc. 
> 
> As for Smith, I just listened to a podcast of him on Tavis Smiley last week.
> He says the reason so many actors don't blow up like he did is precisely
> because they :*don't* talk to the media as much as he does, at least, in terms
> of promoting his movies. Smith says he literally travels the world on press
> junkets, going from South America to China, and he says few of his peers do
> that. You can't expect to pull in big box office all the time, he told Smiley,
> if you won't get out there and promote your work.
> 
> He also had some interesting things to say about being Black in Hollywood and
> what it means to him. Bottom line was he feels Black actors would do better in
> Hollywood if they just simply refused to have the door shut on them. He wasn't
> denying the problem, just has the mindset that he will succeed no matter the
> obstacle--or die trying.
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 1. I am ready for Martin to write his autobiography. You have one book sold
> here, brother. 
> 2. I agree 100% about ³push the mike aside and walk on. Recently, Japanese
> pop singer Izumi Sakai died. She was member #1 and lead singer of the group
> ³ZARD², who have many popular hits. Izumi made, I believe, 5 or 6 TV
> appearances over 10 years, unheard of for a popular Japanese singer. But it
> was this that made her even more popular. Because you don¹t see her often,
> when you did -- it was a big deal.
> 
> I believe that the ³paparazzi² problem in this country is a 50/50 shared
> problem. You don¹t see Harrison Ford (for example) quoted or pictured in
> tabloids because he lives on a ranch in Wyoming. So when he comes to
> Hollywood, it¹s to work. The more accessible you are, the more you run the
> risk of playing yourself. The math just catches up to you. Will has been in
> everything from Men¹s Vogue to  you name it  to promote ³I Am Legend².
> It¹s his way. So for this to be one misquote over something he¹s said -- not
> bad. Now, make it difficult to get a Will Smith interview from now on, and
> his problem is solved. Will has enough friends who know damn well he¹s not
> saying Hitler was good¹, and all of those friends have the ability to hire
> him in the future. He¹s a brand. Nokia is also a brand. And there are
> Nokia phones you can get for $20 at AT&T with a 2 year plan  and there is
> Vertu, Nokia¹s $5,000 phone you can buy that comes with concierge service.
> You cannot send or receive email on a Vertu, and it¹s not even a great
> looking phone, but it is such an exclusive brand that people drop the 5
> grand and keep it moving. You are hard pressed to find an ad for Vertu. By
> the time you see one, you¹ve already spent $32 on a magazine. So I¹m with
> Johnny Depp. Let the work speak for itself, and move out of the way of the
> ³press². The money will come.
> 
> On 12/26/07 10:21 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then
>> there
>> are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment.
>> okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?!
>> 
>> -- Original message --
>> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> >
>> I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying
>> regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know,
>> too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a
>> myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to
>> this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one
>> mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments
>> of
>> my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily
>> translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's
>> Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of
>> incarceration for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in

Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

I'm working on it. But I intend to delay publishing until after I'm gone, so as 
to avoid the press junkets.

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  1. I am ready for Martin to write 
his autobiography. You have one book sold
here, brother. 
2. I agree 100% about ³push the mike aside and walk on. Recently, Japanese
pop singer Izumi Sakai died. She was member #1 and lead singer of the group
³ZARD², who have many popular hits. Izumi made, I believe, 5 or 6 TV
appearances over 10 years, unheard of for a popular Japanese singer. But it
was this that made her even more popular. Because you don¹t see her often,
when you did -- it was a big deal.

I believe that the ³paparazzi² problem in this country is a 50/50 shared
problem. You don¹t see Harrison Ford (for example) quoted or pictured in
tabloids because he lives on a ranch in Wyoming. So when he comes to
Hollywood, it¹s to work. The more accessible you are, the more you run the
risk of playing yourself. The math just catches up to you. Will has been in
everything from Men¹s Vogue to  you name it  to promote ³I Am Legend².
It¹s his way. So for this to be one misquote over something he¹s said -- not
bad. Now, make it difficult to get a Will Smith interview from now on, and
his problem is solved. Will has enough friends who know damn well he¹s not
saying Hitler was good¹, and all of those friends have the ability to hire
him in the future. He¹s a brand. Nokia is also a brand. And there are
Nokia phones you can get for $20 at AT&T with a 2 year plan  and there is
Vertu, Nokia¹s $5,000 phone you can buy that comes with concierge service.
You cannot send or receive email on a Vertu, and it¹s not even a great
looking phone, but it is such an exclusive brand that people drop the 5
grand and keep it moving. You are hard pressed to find an ad for Vertu. By
the time you see one, you¹ve already spent $32 on a magazine. So I¹m with
Johnny Depp. Let the work speak for itself, and move out of the way of the
³press². The money will come.

On 12/26/07 10:21 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then there
> are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment.
> okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?!
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
> I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying
> regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know,
> too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a
> myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to
> this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one
> mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of
> my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily
> translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's
> Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of
> incarceration for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not
> readily available for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
> Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you
> intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's
> bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as he
> obviously seems to think he was misquoted...
> 
> ***
> http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html
> LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site
> articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish
> newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily
> Record, Smith was quoted saying: "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do
> the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and
> using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was
> 'good.'"
> The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: "Remarkably, Will believes
> everyone is basically good."
> Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about
> the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a "good" person.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get
> organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A
> Country"
> 
> -
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 

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"There

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

Can't get through either. Ugggh! 

I get a kick out of over the top Hollywoodized, corny, scifi 
blockbusters.  National Treasure, The Island, Transformers, Independence 
Day. See a trend here. You could not pay me to go to the Theater to see 
them.  just laughing a some of the ridiculous science or the silly over 
the top lines is a hoot. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> to quote Martin,
>
> "aarrrh!!!"
>
> Tracey, if you tell me you liked "Gone in Sixty Seconds" and "3000 Miles to 
> Graceland", I'll just have to go home and cry!  :)
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>   
>> Keith 
>>
>> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
>> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :( 
>>
>> Martin wrote: 
>> 
>>> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my 
>>> milieu! 
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine 
>>>   
>> people contributed any ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one 
>> movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple 
>> of 
>> years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I 
>> turned 
>> it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, 
>> autopilot acting by Cage and Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or 
>> clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie 
>> snob, 
>> don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and 
>> loved 
>> it) or mindless action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" 
>> every 
>> single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure 
>> cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go 
>> "boom!". Love that flick. 
>> 
>>> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
>>>   
>> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
>> from 
>> one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
>> what's 
>> kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! 
>> 
>>> Please tell me none of you watched it? 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
>>> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
>>> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced 
>>> to 
>>>   
>> $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
>> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday. 
>> 
>>> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
>>>   
>> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued 
>> on 
>> Wednesday. 
>> 
>>> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
>>>   
>> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 
>> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies 
>> around 
>> the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's 
>> assassination. 
>> 
>>> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
>>>   
>> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
>> Pictures. 
>> 
>>> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
>>> Century 
>>>   
>> Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit "Alvin 
>> and 
>> the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. 
>> After 
>> 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million. 
>> 
>>> The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 
>>> million, 
>>>   
>> and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five 
>> days. 
>> Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, warned 
>> that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses. 
>> 
>>> The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile 
>>> vehicle 
>>>   
>> starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
>> theaters 
>> as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros. 
>> 
>>> Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its 
>>>   
>> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
>> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
>> Christmas-related chores are behind them. 
>> 
>>> The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul 
>>> of 
>>>   
>> $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
>> estimate for the box office disappointment. 
>> 
>>> Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because 
>>>   
>> they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel 
>> "Ali

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

I think so.  I can not do it with every one.  Just the movie and/ or 
avid genre readers.  For instance. The Golden Compass might be fun to 
watch on movie night because two out of the four or five of us has read 
it.  Most of us have followed the controversy, all of us have read books 
on religion and spirituality, so the discussion could go on all night. 

Martin wrote:
> It might be that, Tracey. I got most of my wit from my paternal grandfather, 
> and it didn't really trickle down into the rest of the bloodline.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
> Then you should come to movie night with us. The analysis happens 
> after. Mostly snarky remarks during bad films or cheers happen during. 
> The after movie analysis goes on for at least 30 minutes. I think you 
> need to do it with some serious fans. I would not do it over my moms or 
> if I was hanging out with some neighbors. They would shut me up too.So 
> far everyone in the group is into scifi - like you guys and also seem to 
> be movie buffs in general. That might have something to do with it
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> Tracey, what you describe is precisely why I *can't* watch movies with 
>> people. I do all of the things you described, and invariably am asked to 
>> either be quiet or leave.
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I understand why that 
>> appeals to you. I guess that is why I like our 
>> family movie nights. It makes even bad movies fun. I love the after 
>> movie discussion, the movie background look up, the jokes, the teasing, 
>> the imitating, the pillows on the floor, the fireplace, the fun meals. 
>> We probably got into them, because i was too ill to walk or go out much 
>> in public. But now that I'm close to being cured and go out regularly, 
>> we still do this family thing a lot. We have two friends into sci that 
>> have joined in and will be starting to rotate houses. 
>>
>> Bosco Bosco wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> I also love the theater experience. For me the experience of home
>>> theater versus movie house is the same as the difference between
>>> record shopping and song downloading. They both have great qualities
>>> but the shared communal experience of buying records from a store is
>>> really uniquely satisfying.
>>>
>>> Bosco
>>> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 my living room is rather narrow and long, and we watch TV across
 the narrow width, so I don't quite get the theatre experience. Even
 if i did, and even when i get that much-desired 50" plasma TV, i
 still don't see the theatre being replaced for me. I love the movie
 going experience: the crowds, talking to people in line, being part
 of an opening-day phenomenon, sharing the action, sadness, and
 humour with a large crowd. that's what makes movies fun to me, so
 that even if the movie itself sucks, the overall experience can be
 enjoyable.

 -- Original message -- 
 From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"




 
> That is how we do our movie nights. My daughter is always asking
>
>
>   
 for us 


 
> to turn the living room back into the Movie theatre. Because of
>
>
>   
 how we 


 
> watch our movies, I do not enjoy the theatre as much as in the
>
>
>   
 past 


 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
>
>
>   
>> definitely a generational thing. I won't watch a movie on DVD
>>
>>
>> 
 at home unless i 


 
> can be assured of watching it in one sitting with minimal
>
>
>   
 interruptions. Don't 


 
> take phone calls, prepare my food ahead of time. I get that
>
>
>   
 stopping and 


 
> examining the film is cool (do it myself). But they're meant to
>
>
>   
 be digested at 


 
> one sitting, with all those things you mentioned fllowing
>
>
>   
 together to make a 


 
> good whole. 
>
>
>   
>> -- Original message -- 
>> From: Daryle 
>>
>> The Lord Of The Rings movies bore me because they move entirely
>>
>>
>> 
 too slow. 


 
>> There are entire scenes dedicated to establishing shots. I know
>>
>>
>> 
 I'm 


 
>> Generation X and I'm used to MTV style editing and all that,
>>
>>
>> 
 but I just 


 
>> think the entire first movie could have been covered in 30
>>
>>
>> 
 minutes and then 


>>>

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

I Love Night of The Comet

Daryle wrote:
> Oh, is this turning into THAT discussion?
>
> ³Night Of the Comet². AND I bought it on VHS.
>
> On 12/26/07 12:15 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest
>> movie secrets.
>>  
>>  I love "Howard the Duck".
>>
>> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  > wrote:
>>  Keith
>>
>> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the
>> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>> 
 But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
 
>>> milieu!
>>>   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote: I
 
>>> really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
>>> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
>>> tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
>>> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
>>> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and 
>>> Voight
>>> ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite
>>> what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low
>>> brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action
>>> flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it airs
>>> (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure 
>>> of
>>> adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
>>>   
 But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
 
>>> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
>>> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
>>> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>>>   
 Please tell me none of you watched it?

 

 "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office
 Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET
 Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced
 
>>> to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America,
>>> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
>>>   
 The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened
 
>>> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued 
>>> on
>>> Wednesday.
>>>   
 Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
 
>>> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the
>>> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies
>>> around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
>>> assassination.
>>>   
 Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of
 
>>> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros.
>>> Pictures.
>>>   
 Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth
 
>>> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit
>>> "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas 
>>> Day
>>> sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
>>>   
 The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75
 
>>> million, and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both
>>> after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks
>>> Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
>>>   
 The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile
 
>>> vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as
>>> many theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner
>>> Bros.
>>>   
 Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its
 
>>> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped
>>> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that
>>> Christmas-related chores are behind them.
>>>   
 The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul
 
>>> of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day
>>> estimate for the box office disappointment.
>>>   
 Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because
 
>>> they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel
>>> "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great
>>> Debaters," and the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Leg

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

Wow!  Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up.  Now the 
question you had to anticipate... why?

Martin wrote:
> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest 
> movie secrets.
>
>   I love "Howard the Duck".
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Keith
>
> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
>
> Martin wrote:
>   
>> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed 
>> any ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the 
>> Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, 
>> on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off 
>> with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot 
>> acting by Cage and Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or 
>> engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't 
>> have a thing against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved 
>> it) or mindless action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" 
>> every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? 
>> Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that 
>> go "boom!". Love that flick.
>> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
>> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
>> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
>> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>>
>> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>>
>> 
>>
>> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
>> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
>> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced 
>> to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
>> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
>> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
>> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued 
>> on Wednesday.
>> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
>> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 
>> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies 
>> around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's 
>> assassination.
>> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
>> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
>> Pictures.
>> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
>> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit 
>> "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas 
>> Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
>> The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 
>> million, and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both 
>> after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks 
>> Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
>> The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile vehicle 
>> starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
>> theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
>> Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its 
>> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
>> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
>> Christmas-related chores are behind them.
>> The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul 
>> of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
>> estimate for the box office disappointment.
>> Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because 
>> they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel 
>> "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great 
>> Debaters," and the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
>> Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
>> Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
>> Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures 
>> is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
>> (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get 
>> organized along the lines

Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

funny you mention the responsibility of the actors themselves. People like 
Redford, Newman, Morgan Freeman, the late Robert Urich--all live or lived 
outside of Hollywood and were very careful with interviews, where they hang 
out, etc. 

As for Smith, I just listened to a podcast of him on Tavis Smiley last week. He 
says the reason so many actors don't blow up like he did is precisely because 
they :*don't* talk to the media as much as he does, at least, in terms of 
promoting his movies. Smith says he literally travels the world on press 
junkets, going from South America to China, and he says few of his peers do 
that. You can't expect to pull in big box office all the time, he told Smiley, 
if you won't get out there and promote your work.

He also had some interesting things to say about being Black in Hollywood and 
what it means to him. Bottom line was he feels Black actors would do better in 
Hollywood if they just simply refused to have the door shut on them. He wasn't 
denying the problem, just has the mindset that he will succeed no matter the 
obstacle--or die trying. 

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
1. I am ready for Martin to write his autobiography. You have one book sold
here, brother. 
2. I agree 100% about ³push the mike aside and walk on. Recently, Japanese
pop singer Izumi Sakai died. She was member #1 and lead singer of the group
³ZARD², who have many popular hits. Izumi made, I believe, 5 or 6 TV
appearances over 10 years, unheard of for a popular Japanese singer. But it
was this that made her even more popular. Because you don¹t see her often,
when you did -- it was a big deal.

I believe that the ³paparazzi² problem in this country is a 50/50 shared
problem. You don¹t see Harrison Ford (for example) quoted or pictured in
tabloids because he lives on a ranch in Wyoming. So when he comes to
Hollywood, it¹s to work. The more accessible you are, the more you run the
risk of playing yourself. The math just catches up to you. Will has been in
everything from Men¹s Vogue to  you name it  to promote ³I Am Legend².
It¹s his way. So for this to be one misquote over something he¹s said -- not
bad. Now, make it difficult to get a Will Smith interview from now on, and
his problem is solved. Will has enough friends who know damn well he¹s not
saying Hitler was good¹, and all of those friends have the ability to hire
him in the future. He¹s a brand. Nokia is also a brand. And there are
Nokia phones you can get for $20 at AT&T with a 2 year plan  and there is
Vertu, Nokia¹s $5,000 phone you can buy that comes with concierge service.
You cannot send or receive email on a Vertu, and it¹s not even a great
looking phone, but it is such an exclusive brand that people drop the 5
grand and keep it moving. You are hard pressed to find an ad for Vertu. By
the time you see one, you¹ve already spent $32 on a magazine. So I¹m with
Johnny Depp. Let the work speak for itself, and move out of the way of the
³press². The money will come.

On 12/26/07 10:21 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then there
> are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment.
> okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?!
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
> I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying
> regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know,
> too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a
> myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to
> this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one
> mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of
> my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily
> translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's
> Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of
> incarceration for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not
> readily available for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
> Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you
> intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's
> bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as he
> obviously seems to think he was misquoted...
> 
> ***
> http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html
> LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site
> articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish
> newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily
> Record, Smith

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

Poor Baby.  :(   Whenever the commercials came on, I changed it, so my 
four year old would not get any ideas.  She has not heard of them yet

James Landrith wrote:
> No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 
>
>  
>
> The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(
>
>  
>
> I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
> tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
> Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
> Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
> against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless
> action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time
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> pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love
> that flick.
> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

adding all e-mails from Martin to "Spam" folder... :)

Wow! What did you like about it. Now I need to think of the worst, most panned 
movie that I like as my guilty pleasure. 

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest 
movie secrets.

I love "Howard the Duck".

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Keith

I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(

Martin wrote:
> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed 
> any ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the 
> Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on 
> a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 
> 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting 
> by Cage and Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or 
> engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't 
> have a thing against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) 
> or mindless action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every 
> single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure 
> cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go 
> "boom!". Love that flick.
> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>
> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>
> 
>
> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced to 
> $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on 
> Wednesday.
> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 
> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies 
> around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's 
> assassination.
> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
> Pictures.
> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit 
> "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day 
> sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
> The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 million, 
> and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five 
> days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, 
> warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
> The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile vehicle 
> starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
> theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
> Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its 
> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
> Christmas-related chores are behind them.
> The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul 
> of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
> estimate for the box office disappointment.
> Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because 
> they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel 
> "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great 
> Debaters," and the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
> Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
> Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
> Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures 
> is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
> (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get

RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

lo siento!

how was it? There's plenty of kids' fare that's tolerable. Some of it's quite 
good. "The Iron Giant" and "The Incredibles" come to mind. Even "Robots" or 
"Madagascar" are okay for adults to sit through once. But Alvin just seemed 
horrible to me from the trailers...

-- Original message -- 
From: "James Landrith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 

The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
"National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless
action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time
it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love
that flick.
But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

Please tell me none of you watched it?

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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

to quote Martin,

"aarrrh!!!"

Tracey, if you tell me you liked "Gone in Sixty Seconds" and "3000 Miles to 
Graceland", I'll just have to go home and cry!  :)

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Keith 
> 
> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :( 
> 
> Martin wrote: 
> > But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my 
> > milieu! 
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine 
> people contributed any ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one 
> movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple 
> of 
> years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I 
> turned 
> it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, 
> autopilot acting by Cage and Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or 
> clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie 
> snob, 
> don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and 
> loved 
> it) or mindless action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" 
> every 
> single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure 
> cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go 
> "boom!". Love that flick. 
> > But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
> from 
> one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
> what's 
> kept in Area 51? Brotherrr! 
> > 
> > Please tell me none of you watched it? 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
> > Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
> > Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced 
> > to 
> $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday. 
> > The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on 
> Wednesday. 
> > Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 
> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies 
> around 
> the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's 
> assassination. 
> > Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
> Pictures. 
> > Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
> > Century 
> Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit "Alvin 
> and 
> the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. 
> After 
> 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million. 
> > The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 
> > million, 
> and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five 
> days. 
> Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, warned 
> that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses. 
> > The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile 
> > vehicle 
> starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
> theaters 
> as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros. 
> > Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its 
> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
> Christmas-related chores are behind them. 
> > The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul 
> > of 
> $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
> estimate for the box office disappointment. 
> > Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because 
> they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel 
> "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great 
> Debaters," 
> and the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep." 
> > Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
> Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
> Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures 
> is 
> a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp. 
> > (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings) 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if

Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark

dude! Did that get aired?!  What did she do?

That is the worst question a reporter can ask, yet they keep asking it...

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Keith, as I was standing in the parking lot of my complex, watching fire 
spatter across my roof, knowing that everything I owned (including some comic 
books, two titles of which would make you weep), a reporter (still working for 
Channel 2, so I'll be kind and not mention her name) sticks a mike in my face 
and asks me the immortal question, "How do you feel right now, sir?"

My exact reply- "I feel like I want to rip out your f*cking lungs and feed them 
to you." And I'm still proud of myself for saying it.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then there 
are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment. 
okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying 
regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know, 
too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a 
myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to 
this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one 
mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of 
my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily 
translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's 
Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of incarceration 
for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not readily available 
for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, 
no matter what you intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out 
to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from 
Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he was misquoted...

***
http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html
LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site 
articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish 
newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily 
Record, Smith was quoted saying: "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do 
the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and 
using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'"
The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: "Remarkably, Will believes 
everyone is basically good."
Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about 
the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a "good" person.

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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

:)

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed any 
ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas 
weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday 
night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes 
to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and 
Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. 
Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against 
low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action 
flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it airs 
(much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure of 
adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

Please tell me none of you watched it?



"National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced to 
$65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened last 
Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on 
Wednesday.
Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 international 
markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 2004 smash 
"National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies around the world 
trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's assassination.
Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
$47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
Pictures.
Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century 
Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit "Alvin and 
the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. After 
11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 million, 
and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five 
days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, 
warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile vehicle 
starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its 
first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
Christmas-related chores are behind them.
The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul of 
$4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
estimate for the box office disappointment.
Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because they 
will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel "Alien 
vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great Debaters," and 
the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures is 
a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
(Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)

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Re: [scifinoir2] UFO debate invades politicians' space

³really hard to find², huh?  Sounds like they¹re trying to hide the truth!!
;)


On 12/26/07 12:28 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> It is, but I think it's down to bi-monthly, and it's really hard to find a
> copy.
> 
> Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
> wrote:  
> We DON¹T?!! You mean they stopped publishing the TIP SHEETS?!! Oh wow I
> honestly didn¹t know they¹d stopped putting that rag out. I guess it has
> been a long time since I¹ve seen it. Is Fortean Times still published?
> 
> On 12/26/07 12:23 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:
> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Well, I guess we're just going to have to get used to this happening more
>> > frequently. After all, we don't have the Weekly World News around anymore
>> to
>> > tell us who the aliens are endorsing for the White House...
>> > 
>> > "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>> >  > wrote: UFO debate invades
>> > politicians' space
>> > 
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071221/od_nm/ufo_dc_1&printer=1;_ylt=AvPPBF59fmP
>> 2 
>> > 59fmP2> 
>> > Kidwc0BOkuUZ.3QA
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>> > 5 >  
>> > 9fmP2Kidwc0BOkuUZ.3QA>
>> > Fri Dec 21, 10:19 AM ET
>> > 
>> > A debate over flying saucers has kept Japanese politicians occupied for
>> > much of this week, ensnaring top officials and drawing a promise from
>> > the defense minister to send out the army if Godzilla goes on a rampage.
>> > 
>> > "There are debates over what makes UFOs fly, but it would be difficult
>> > to say it's an encroachment of air space," Defense Minister Shigeru
>> > Ishiba told a news conference Thursday.
>> > 
>> > "If Godzilla were to show up, it would be a dispatch for disaster relief."
>> > 
>> > His remarks came after the top government spokesman was asked Tuesday
>> > about an opposition politician's demand that the government confirm the
>> > existence of unidentified flying objects.
>> > 
>> > "Personally, I definitely believe they exist," chief cabinet secretary
>> > Nobutaka Machimura said, drawing laughter from reporters.
>> > 
>> > Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda took a more guarded stance later in the day,
>> > saying he has yet to confirm their existence.
>> > 
>> > The debate started Tuesday when the cabinet issued a statement in
>> > response to the opposition lawmaker's question, saying it could not
>> > confirm any cases of UFO sightings.
>> > 
>> > Not all lawmakers are enthralled.
>> > 
>> > "Give me a break," ruling party lawmaker Toshihiro Nikai was quoted as
>> > saying by the Yomiuri newspaper. "There are many (other) things politics
>> > has to respond to."
>> > 
>> > (Reporting by Yoko Kubota and George Nishiyama; Editing by Mike Miller)
>> > 
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> > 
>> > "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get
>> > organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A
>> > Country"
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Re: [scifinoir2] UFO debate invades politicians' space

It is, but I think it's down to bi-monthly, and it's really hard to find a copy.

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
We DON¹T?!! You mean they stopped publishing the TIP SHEETS?!! Oh wow I
honestly didn¹t know they¹d stopped putting that rag out. I guess it has
been a long time since I¹ve seen it. Is Fortean Times still published?

On 12/26/07 12:23 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Well, I guess we're just going to have to get used to this happening more
> frequently. After all, we don't have the Weekly World News around anymore to
> tell us who the aliens are endorsing for the White House...
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote: UFO debate invades
> politicians' space
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071221/od_nm/ufo_dc_1&printer=1;_ylt=AvPPBF59fmP2
> Kidwc0BOkuUZ.3QA 
>  9fmP2Kidwc0BOkuUZ.3QA>
> Fri Dec 21, 10:19 AM ET
> 
> A debate over flying saucers has kept Japanese politicians occupied for
> much of this week, ensnaring top officials and drawing a promise from
> the defense minister to send out the army if Godzilla goes on a rampage.
> 
> "There are debates over what makes UFOs fly, but it would be difficult
> to say it's an encroachment of air space," Defense Minister Shigeru
> Ishiba told a news conference Thursday.
> 
> "If Godzilla were to show up, it would be a dispatch for disaster relief."
> 
> His remarks came after the top government spokesman was asked Tuesday
> about an opposition politician's demand that the government confirm the
> existence of unidentified flying objects.
> 
> "Personally, I definitely believe they exist," chief cabinet secretary
> Nobutaka Machimura said, drawing laughter from reporters.
> 
> Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda took a more guarded stance later in the day,
> saying he has yet to confirm their existence.
> 
> The debate started Tuesday when the cabinet issued a statement in
> response to the opposition lawmaker's question, saying it could not
> confirm any cases of UFO sightings.
> 
> Not all lawmakers are enthralled.
> 
> "Give me a break," ruling party lawmaker Toshihiro Nikai was quoted as
> saying by the Yomiuri newspaper. "There are many (other) things politics
> has to respond to."
> 
> (Reporting by Yoko Kubota and George Nishiyama; Editing by Mike Miller)
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get
> organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A
> Country"
> 
> -
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it
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Re: [scifinoir2] UFO debate invades politicians' space


We DON¹T?!! You mean they stopped publishing the TIP SHEETS?!! Oh wow I
honestly didn¹t know they¹d stopped putting that rag out. I guess it has
been a long time since I¹ve seen it. Is Fortean Times still published?


On 12/26/07 12:23 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Well, I guess we're just going to have to get used to this happening more
> frequently. After all, we don't have the Weekly World News around anymore to
> tell us who the aliens are endorsing for the White House...
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:  UFO debate invades
> politicians' space
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071221/od_nm/ufo_dc_1&printer=1;_ylt=AvPPBF59fmP2
> Kidwc0BOkuUZ.3QA 
>  9fmP2Kidwc0BOkuUZ.3QA>
> Fri Dec 21, 10:19 AM ET
> 
> A debate over flying saucers has kept Japanese politicians occupied for
> much of this week, ensnaring top officials and drawing a promise from
> the defense minister to send out the army if Godzilla goes on a rampage.
> 
> "There are debates over what makes UFOs fly, but it would be difficult
> to say it's an encroachment of air space," Defense Minister Shigeru
> Ishiba told a news conference Thursday.
> 
> "If Godzilla were to show up, it would be a dispatch for disaster relief."
> 
> His remarks came after the top government spokesman was asked Tuesday
> about an opposition politician's demand that the government confirm the
> existence of unidentified flying objects.
> 
> "Personally, I definitely believe they exist," chief cabinet secretary
> Nobutaka Machimura said, drawing laughter from reporters.
> 
> Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda took a more guarded stance later in the day,
> saying he has yet to confirm their existence.
> 
> The debate started Tuesday when the cabinet issued a statement in
> response to the opposition lawmaker's question, saying it could not
> confirm any cases of UFO sightings.
> 
> Not all lawmakers are enthralled.
> 
> "Give me a break," ruling party lawmaker Toshihiro Nikai was quoted as
> saying by the Yomiuri newspaper. "There are many (other) things politics
> has to respond to."
> 
> (Reporting by Yoko Kubota and George Nishiyama; Editing by Mike Miller)
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(


Oh, is this turning into THAT discussion?

³Night Of the Comet². AND I bought it on VHS.

On 12/26/07 12:15 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest
> movie secrets.
>  
>  I love "Howard the Duck".
> 
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:
>  Keith
> 
> I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the
> comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
> 
> Martin wrote:
>> > But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
>> milieu!
>> >
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote: I
>> really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
>> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
>> tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
>> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
>> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight
>> ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite
>> what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low
>> brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action
>> flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it airs
>> (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure of
>> adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
>> > But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
>> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
>> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
>> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>> >
>> > Please tell me none of you watched it?
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office
>> > Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET
>> > Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced
>> to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America,
>> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
>> > The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened
>> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on
>> Wednesday.
>> > Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
>> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the
>> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies
>> around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
>> assassination.
>> > Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of
>> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros.
>> Pictures.
>> > Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth
>> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit
>> "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day
>> sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
>> > The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75
>> million, and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both
>> after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks
>> Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
>> > The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile
>> vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as
>> many theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner
>> Bros.
>> > Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its
>> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped
>> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that
>> Christmas-related chores are behind them.
>> > The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul
>> of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day
>> estimate for the box office disappointment.
>> > Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because
>> they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel
>> "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great
>> Debaters," and the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
>> > Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of
>> Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal
>> Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures
>> is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
>> > (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)
>> >
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit

It might be that, Tracey. I got most of my wit from my paternal grandfather, 
and it didn't really trickle down into the rest of the bloodline.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
Then you should come to movie night with us. The analysis happens 
after. Mostly snarky remarks during bad films or cheers happen during. 
The after movie analysis goes on for at least 30 minutes. I think you 
need to do it with some serious fans. I would not do it over my moms or 
if I was hanging out with some neighbors. They would shut me up too.So 
far everyone in the group is into scifi - like you guys and also seem to 
be movie buffs in general. That might have something to do with it

Martin wrote:
> Tracey, what you describe is precisely why I *can't* watch movies with 
> people. I do all of the things you described, and invariably am asked to 
> either be quiet or leave.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" wrote: I understand why that 
> appeals to you. I guess that is why I like our 
> family movie nights. It makes even bad movies fun. I love the after 
> movie discussion, the movie background look up, the jokes, the teasing, 
> the imitating, the pillows on the floor, the fireplace, the fun meals. 
> We probably got into them, because i was too ill to walk or go out much 
> in public. But now that I'm close to being cured and go out regularly, 
> we still do this family thing a lot. We have two friends into sci that 
> have joined in and will be starting to rotate houses. 
>
> Bosco Bosco wrote:
> 
>> I also love the theater experience. For me the experience of home
>> theater versus movie house is the same as the difference between
>> record shopping and song downloading. They both have great qualities
>> but the shared communal experience of buying records from a store is
>> really uniquely satisfying.
>>
>> Bosco
>> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> 
>> 
>>> my living room is rather narrow and long, and we watch TV across
>>> the narrow width, so I don't quite get the theatre experience. Even
>>> if i did, and even when i get that much-desired 50" plasma TV, i
>>> still don't see the theatre being replaced for me. I love the movie
>>> going experience: the crowds, talking to people in line, being part
>>> of an opening-day phenomenon, sharing the action, sadness, and
>>> humour with a large crowd. that's what makes movies fun to me, so
>>> that even if the movie itself sucks, the overall experience can be
>>> enjoyable.
>>>
>>> -- Original message -- 
>>> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
 That is how we do our movie nights. My daughter is always asking
 
 
>>> for us 
>>> 
>>> 
 to turn the living room back into the Movie theatre. Because of
 
 
>>> how we 
>>> 
>>> 
 watch our movies, I do not enjoy the theatre as much as in the
 
 
>>> past 
>>> 
>>> 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 
> definitely a generational thing. I won't watch a movie on DVD
> 
> 
>>> at home unless i 
>>> 
>>> 
 can be assured of watching it in one sitting with minimal
 
 
>>> interruptions. Don't 
>>> 
>>> 
 take phone calls, prepare my food ahead of time. I get that
 
 
>>> stopping and 
>>> 
>>> 
 examining the film is cool (do it myself). But they're meant to
 
 
>>> be digested at 
>>> 
>>> 
 one sitting, with all those things you mentioned fllowing
 
 
>>> together to make a 
>>> 
>>> 
 good whole. 
 
 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Daryle 
>
> The Lord Of The Rings movies bore me because they move entirely
> 
> 
>>> too slow. 
>>> 
>>> 
> There are entire scenes dedicated to establishing shots. I know
> 
> 
>>> I'm 
>>> 
>>> 
> Generation X and I'm used to MTV style editing and all that,
> 
> 
>>> but I just 
>>> 
>>> 
> think the entire first movie could have been covered in 30
> 
> 
>>> minutes and then 
>>> 
>>> 
> we could have gotten on with the second film, which is where
> 
> 
>>> the action 
>>> 
>>> 
> sort of was. 
>
> When I saw these movies in a theater I immediately sympathized
> 
> 
>>> with people 
>>> 
>>> 
> who don't like Star Trek. If you've never cared about any of
> 
> 
>>> the Trek 
>>> 
>>> 
> series, and the first time someone sits you down to watch it,
> 
> 
>>> it's the 
>>> 
>>> 
> first movie, you are going to fall asleep. Because it is a long
> 
> 
>>> and drawn 
>>> 
>>> 
> out story about people with whom you have no connection
> 
> 
>>> whatsoever. 
>>> 
>>> 
> I didn't grow up reading Tolkien. I grew up reading Asimov and
> 
> 
>>> watching old 
>>> 
>>> 
> Flash Gordon. When my friends in high school played D&D, I was
> 
> 
>>> reading 
>>> 
>>> 
> Douglas Adams. It's why

Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark

1. I am ready for Martin to write his autobiography. You have one book sold
here, brother. 
2. I agree 100% about ³push the mike aside and walk on.  Recently, Japanese
pop singer Izumi Sakai died.  She was member #1 and lead singer of the group
³ZARD²,  who have many popular hits. Izumi made, I believe, 5 or 6 TV
appearances over 10 years, unheard of for a popular Japanese singer. But it
was this that made her even more popular. Because you don¹t see her often,
when you did -- it was a big deal.

I believe that the ³paparazzi² problem in this country is a 50/50 shared
problem. You  don¹t see Harrison Ford (for example) quoted or pictured in
tabloids because he lives on a ranch in Wyoming. So when he comes to
Hollywood, it¹s to work. The more accessible you are, the more you run the
risk of playing yourself. The math just  catches up to you. Will has been in
everything from Men¹s Vogue to  you name it  to  promote ³I Am Legend².
It¹s his way. So for this to be one misquote over something he¹s said -- not
bad. Now, make it difficult to get a Will Smith interview from now on, and
his problem is solved. Will has enough friends who  know damn well he¹s not
saying Hitler was good¹, and all of those friends have the ability to hire
him in the future. He¹s a brand. Nokia is also  a brand. And there are
Nokia phones you can get for $20 at AT&T with a 2 year plan  and there is
Vertu, Nokia¹s $5,000 phone you can buy that comes with concierge service.
You cannot send or receive email on a Vertu, and it¹s not even a great
looking phone, but it is such an exclusive brand that people drop the 5
grand and keep it moving. You are hard pressed to find an ad for Vertu. By
the time you see one, you¹ve already spent $32 on a magazine. So I¹m with
Johnny Depp. Let the work speak for itself, and move out of the way of the
³press². The money will come.

On 12/26/07 10:21 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then there
> are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment.
> okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?!
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
> I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying
> regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know,
> too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a
> myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to
> this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one
> mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of
> my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily
> translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's
> Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of
> incarceration for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not
> readily available for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:
> Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you
> intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's
> bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as he
> obviously seems to think he was misquoted...
> 
> ***
> http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html
> LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site
> articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish
> newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily
> Record, Smith was quoted saying: "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do
> the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and
> using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was
> 'good.'"
> The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: "Remarkably, Will believes
> everyone is basically good."
> Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about
> the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a "good" person.
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] UFO debate invades politicians' space

Well, I guess we're just going to have to get used to this happening more
frequently. After all, we don't have the Weekly World News around anymore to
tell us who the aliens are endorsing for the White House...

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: UFO
debate invades politicians' space
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071221/od_nm/ufo_dc_1&printer=1;_ylt=AvPPBF59fmP2Kidwc0BOkuUZ.3QA
Fri Dec 21, 10:19 AM ET

A debate over flying saucers has kept Japanese politicians occupied for
much of this week, ensnaring top officials and drawing a promise from
the defense minister to send out the army if Godzilla goes on a rampage.

"There are debates over what makes UFOs fly, but it would be difficult
to say it's an encroachment of air space," Defense Minister Shigeru
Ishiba told a news conference Thursday.

"If Godzilla were to show up, it would be a dispatch for disaster relief."

His remarks came after the top government spokesman was asked Tuesday
about an opposition politician's demand that the government confirm the
existence of unidentified flying objects.

"Personally, I definitely believe they exist," chief cabinet secretary
Nobutaka Machimura said, drawing laughter from reporters.

Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda took a more guarded stance later in the day,
saying he has yet to confirm their existence.

The debate started Tuesday when the cabinet issued a statement in
response to the opposition lawmaker's question, saying it could not
confirm any cases of UFO sightings.

Not all lawmakers are enthralled.

"Give me a break," ruling party lawmaker Toshihiro Nikai was quoted as
saying by the Yomiuri newspaper. "There are many (other) things politics
has to respond to."

(Reporting by Yoko Kubota and George Nishiyama; Editing by Mike Miller)

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Re: [scifinoir2] Cards from heaven have dead man talking

Thank you, Tracey. I needed something to smile at.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071225/ap_on_fe_st/odd_cards_from_heaven;_ylt=Art5V_QrYb2hXi_xK6L24zgZ.3QA

Even in death, Chet Fitch is a card. Fitch, known for his sense of 
humor, died in October at age 88 but gave his friends and family a start 
recently: Christmas cards, 34 of them, began arriving â written in his 
hand with a return address of "Heaven."

The greeting read: "I asked Big Guy if I could sneak back and send some 
cards. At first he said no; but at my insistence he finally said, 'Oh 
well, what the heaven, go ahead but don't (tarry) there.' Wish I could 
tell you about things here but words cannot explain.

"Better get back as Big Guy said he stretched a point to let me in the 
first time, so I had better not press my luck. I'll probably be seeing 
you (some sooner than you think). Wishing you a very Merry Christmas. 
Chet Fitch"

A friend for nearly 25 years, Debbie Hansen Bernard said, "All I could 
think was, 'You little stinker.'"

"It was amazing," she said. "Just so Chet, always wanting to get the 
last laugh."

The mailing was a joke Fitch worked on for two decades with his barber, 
Patty Dean, 57. She told the Ashland Daily Tidings this week that he 
kept updating the mailing list and giving her extra money when postal 
rates went up. This fall, she said, Fitch looked up to her from the chair.

"You must be getting tired of waiting to mail those cards," he told her. 
"I think you'll probably be able to mail them this year."

He died a week later.sc



 


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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest 
movie secrets.
   
  I love "Howard the Duck".

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Keith

I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(

Martin wrote:
> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed 
> any ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the 
> Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on 
> a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 
> 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting 
> by Cage and Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or 
> engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't 
> have a thing against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) 
> or mindless action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every 
> single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure 
> cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go 
> "boom!". Love that flick.
> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>
> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>
> 
>
> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced to 
> $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on 
> Wednesday.
> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 
> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies 
> around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's 
> assassination.
> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
> Pictures.
> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit 
> "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day 
> sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
> The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 million, 
> and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five 
> days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, 
> warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
> The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile vehicle 
> starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
> theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
> Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its 
> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
> Christmas-related chores are behind them.
> The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul 
> of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
> estimate for the box office disappointment.
> Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because 
> they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel 
> "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great 
> Debaters," and the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
> Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
> Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
> Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures 
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

Oh, they're helping. But there's *nothing* like the sensation of dropping your 
hard-earned cash for something, followed by the simmering, impotent rage that 
comes with the realization that you just got hosed...

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
And the Bond movies on Spike aren¹t good enough? I see I need to lend
someone my ³Transporter² DVDs.

On 12/26/07 11:52 AM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
> I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried
> to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight
> ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite
> what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low
> brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action
> flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it airs
> (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure of
> adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
> 
> Please tell me none of you watched it?
> 
> 
> 
> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office
> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET
> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced to
> $65 million during its first five days of release across North America,
> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened
> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on
> Wednesday.
> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the
> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies
> around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
> assassination.
> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of
> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros.
> Pictures.
> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century
> Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit "Alvin and
> the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales.
> After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
> The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 million,
> and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five
> days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures,
> warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
> The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile vehicle
> starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many
> theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
> Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its
> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped
> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that
> Christmas-related chores are behind them.
> The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul of
> $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day
> estimate for the box office disappointment.
> Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because
> they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel
> "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great
> Debaters," and the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
> Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of
> Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal
> Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures
> is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
> (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
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> organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A
> Country"
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RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

(saluting a truly great man)

James Landrith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  No, I got sucked into Alvin 
and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 

The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
"National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless
action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time
it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love
that flick.
But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

Please tell me none of you watched it?

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organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"

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RE: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

No, I got sucked into Alvin and the Chipmunks by a 10 year old. 

 

The entertainment sacrifices we make for our children.

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 11:01 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

 

I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
"National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless
action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time
it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic
pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love
that flick.
But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

Please tell me none of you watched it?

 



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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)


And the Bond movies on Spike aren¹t good enough? I see I need to lend
someone my ³Transporter² DVDs.


On 12/26/07 11:52 AM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:
> I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
> "National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried
> to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
> background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
> Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight
> ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite
> what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low
> brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action
> flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it airs
> (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure of
> adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.
> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down
> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of
> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
> 
> Please tell me none of you watched it?
> 
> 
> 
> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office
> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET
> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced to
> $65 million during its first five days of release across North America,
> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened
> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on
> Wednesday.
> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the
> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies
> around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
> assassination.
> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of
> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros.
> Pictures.
> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century
> Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit "Alvin and
> the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales.
> After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
> The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 million,
> and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five
> days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures,
> warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
> The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile vehicle
> starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many
> theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
> Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its
> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped
> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that
> Christmas-related chores are behind them.
> The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul of
> $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day
> estimate for the box office disappointment.
> Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because
> they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel
> "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great
> Debaters," and the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
> Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of
> Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal
> Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures
> is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
> (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> "There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get
> organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A
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Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

Keith

I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
comfort of my home, I liked the first one.   :(

Martin wrote:
> But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I really hope none of you fine people 
> contributed any ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one movie 
> over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of 
> years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I 
> turned it off with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous 
> occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight ("just show me the 
> money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite what some think of 
> me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw 
> "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. I"m the guy 
> who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it airs (much to my wife's 
> consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, 
> over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
> But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
> Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
> from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
> what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
>
> Please tell me none of you watched it?
>
> 
>
> "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
> Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
> Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced to 
> $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
> distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
> The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
> last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on 
> Wednesday.
> Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
> international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 
> 2004 smash "National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies 
> around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's 
> assassination.
> Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
> $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
> Pictures.
> Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
> Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit 
> "Alvin and the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day 
> sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
> The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 million, 
> and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five 
> days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, 
> warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
> The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile vehicle 
> starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
> theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
> Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its 
> first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
> more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
> Christmas-related chores are behind them.
> The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul 
> of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
> estimate for the box office disappointment.
> Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because 
> they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel 
> "Alien vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great 
> Debaters," and the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
> Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
> Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
> Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures 
> is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
> (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)
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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Studies Show Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs

2007-12-26 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)

Keith

Thanks for posting this. While I'm no "great" entrepreneur, I really 
related to this article

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "Dyslexia forces you to look at things in totality and not just as a single 
> chess move. I play out the whole scenario in my mind and then work through 
> it.… All of my life, I've built organizations with a broad perspective in 
> mind."  -- John Chambers, CEO, Cisco Systems
>
>
> This is a fascinating article, one of the best concepts i've encountered all 
> year.  Apparently the percentage of successful business leaders and 
> entrepreneurs that have dyslexia (estimated at 35 %) is higher than the 
> percentage of Americans who have it (said to be around 15%). while i can't 
> verify the ratio of these numbers yet, the concept is amazing.  These people 
> who have the most difficult time reading basic sentences or directions, who 
> later in life deal with increasing difficulty at keeping things sorted and 
> organized in their minds, succeed at a very high rate. As the article says, 
> this can be attributed to many things, such as learning to study carefully 
> and work harder to pull out important facts, knowing what things aren't 
> important to focus on at a given moment, dealing with frustration and failure 
> (the old "try, try again" mentality), and most importantly, learning to 
> embrace others who might have skillsets to complement one's weaknesses.  
> Charles Schwab, Sir Richard Br
> anson, Chambers--all the dyslexics who've succeeded in business say they 
> learned long ago to listen to other peoples' opinions, to delegate tasks. One 
> guy said, "when you have to learn to accept help from someone in just 
> learning how to read, you learn to listen to people in your company and 
> embrace their ideas without your ego getting in the way".  
>
> Something to be learned here in for  those of us who are for the most part 
> hale and healthy in mind and body...
>
> ***
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/dec2007/db20071212_539295.htm
>
> Why Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs
> The ability to grasp the big picture, persistence, and creativity are a few 
> of the entrepreneurial traits of many dyslexics. Just ask Charles Schwab 
> by Gabrielle Coppola 
> When Alan Meckler, the CEO of IT and online imagery hub Jupitermedia (JUPM), 
> was accepted to Columbia University in 1965, the dean's office told him he 
> had some of the lowest college boards of any student ever admitted. "I got a 
> 405 or 410 in English," he recalls. "In those days you got a 400 just for 
> putting your name down! Yet I was on the dean's list every year I was there, 
> and I won a prize for having the best essay in American history my senior 
> year." 
> It wasn't until years later, at age 58, that Meckler learned he was dyslexic. 
> He struggles with walking and driving directions, and interpreting charts and 
> graphs. He prefers to listen to someone explain a problem to him, rather than 
> sit down and read 20 pages describing it. As a youth, Meckler discovered a 
> unique strength—baseball—and cultivated it religiously to compensate for 
> weakness in other areas. 
> Asset or Handicap?
> All of these things, according to Dr. Sally Shaywitz, a professor of learning 
> development at Yale University, are classic signs of dyslexia. Shaywitz has 
> long argued that dyslexia should be evaluated as an asset, not just a 
> handicap. She recently co-founded the Yale Center for Dyslexia & Creativity, 
> dedicated to studying the link between the two. "I want people to wish they 
> were dyslexic," she says. "There are many positive attributes that can't be 
> taught that people are generally not aware of. We always write about how 
> we're losing human capital—dyslexics are not able to achieve their potential 
> because they've had to go around the system." 
> It's not clear whether dyslexics develop their special talents by learning to 
> negotiate their disability or whether such skills are the genetic inheritance 
> of being dyslexic. It's a question Shaywitz plans to explore, along with 
> trying to change the way dyslexia is viewed in the educational system and the 
> business world. One project at the center will be an education series to 
> train executives to recognize outside-the-box thinkers who don't perform well 
> on standardized tests. 
> Shaywitz recently tested a well-known CEO (whom she declined to identify) for 
> dyslexia. The man confessed that he'd hired an outside company to help 
> identify future leaders within the organization by administering a reading 
> test. "'The irony is,' I told him, 'you're eliminating and sifting out all 
> the people like yourself who might actually be the ones to be creative and 
> make a difference.'" 
> Coping Skills
> That kind of rejection, along with a penchant for creativity, may help 
> explain why so many dyslexics are inclined to become entrepreneurs. Julie 
> Logan, a professor of e

Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark

Keith, as I was standing in the parking lot of my complex, watching fire 
spatter across my roof, knowing that everything I owned (including some comic 
books, two titles of which would make you weep), a reporter (still working for 
Channel 2, so I'll be kind and not mention her name) sticks a mike in my face 
and asks me the immortal question, "How do you feel right now, sir?"
   
  My exact reply- "I feel like I want to rip out your f*cking lungs and feed 
them to you." And I'm still proud of myself for saying it.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. 
Then there are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment. 
okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying 
regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know, 
too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a 
myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to 
this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one 
mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of 
my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily 
translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's 
Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of incarceration 
for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not readily available 
for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, 
no matter what you intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out 
to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from 
Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he was misquoted...

***
http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html
LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site 
articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish 
newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily 
Record, Smith was quoted saying: "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do 
the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and 
using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'"
The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: "Remarkably, Will believes 
everyone is basically good."
Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about 
the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a "good" person.

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Studies Show Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs

"...and teach THINKING rather than train for tests?"
   
  That alone deserves a standing ovation. IMO, it's the Guv'mint that wants the 
sheeple thinking inside the box, because the mindless and docile are more 
easily duped/led.

Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I know that Sir Richard Branson (founder of Virgin) is a great 
example of
this. I've just been reading his autobiography this past week and he has
seen things a lot clearer and simpler than many people who have struggled to
master just ONE industry, and he's a guy who has been a leader in the
record, retail, wine, comics, airline and mobile phone businesses.

I think this opens up a larger discussion. What about the many many people
who are in higher education for jobs and job training? Is it time to
overhaul the education system and teach THINKING rather than train for
tests? 

On 12/26/07 10:45 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Dyslexia forces you to look at things in totality and not just as a single
> chess move. I play out the whole scenario in my mind and then work through
> it. All of my life, I've built organizations with a broad perspective in
> mind." -- John Chambers, CEO, Cisco Systems
> 
> 
> This is a fascinating article, one of the best concepts i've encountered all
> year. Apparently the percentage of successful business leaders and
> entrepreneurs that have dyslexia (estimated at 35 %) is higher than the
> percentage of Americans who have it (said to be around 15%). while i can't
> verify the ratio of these numbers yet, the concept is amazing. These people
> who have the most difficult time reading basic sentences or directions, who
> later in life deal with increasing difficulty at keeping things sorted and
> organized in their minds, succeed at a very high rate. As the article says,
> this can be attributed to many things, such as learning to study carefully and
> work harder to pull out important facts, knowing what things aren't important
> to focus on at a given moment, dealing with frustration and failure (the old
> "try, try again" mentality), and most importantly, learning to embrace others
> who might have skillsets to complement one's weaknesses. Charles Schwab, Sir
> Richard Br
> anson, Chambers--all the dyslexics who've succeeded in business say they
> learned long ago to listen to other peoples' opinions, to delegate tasks. One
> guy said, "when you have to learn to accept help from someone in just learning
> how to read, you learn to listen to people in your company and embrace their
> ideas without your ego getting in the way".
> 
> Something to be learned here in for those of us who are for the most part
> hale and healthy in mind and body...
> 
> ***
> 
> http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/dec2007/db20071212_539295.
> htm
> 
> Why Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs
> The ability to grasp the big picture, persistence, and creativity are a few of
> the entrepreneurial traits of many dyslexics. Just ask Charles Schwab
> by Gabrielle Coppola
> When Alan Meckler, the CEO of IT and online imagery hub Jupitermedia (JUPM),
> was accepted to Columbia University in 1965, the dean's office told him he had
> some of the lowest college boards of any student ever admitted. "I got a 405
> or 410 in English," he recalls. "In those days you got a 400 just for putting
> your name down! Yet I was on the dean's list every year I was there, and I won
> a prize for having the best essay in American history my senior year."
> It wasn't until years later, at age 58, that Meckler learned he was dyslexic.
> He struggles with walking and driving directions, and interpreting charts and
> graphs. He prefers to listen to someone explain a problem to him, rather than
> sit down and read 20 pages describing it. As a youth, Meckler discovered a
> unique strengthbaseballand cultivated it religiously to compensate for
> weakness in other areas.
> Asset or Handicap?
> All of these things, according to Dr. Sally Shaywitz, a professor of learning
> development at Yale University, are classic signs of dyslexia. Shaywitz has
> long argued that dyslexia should be evaluated as an asset, not just a
> handicap. She recently co-founded the Yale Center for Dyslexia & Creativity,
> dedicated to studying the link between the two. "I want people to wish they
> were dyslexic," she says. "There are many positive attributes that can't be
> taught that people are generally not aware of. We always write about how we're
> losing human capitaldyslexics are not able to achieve their potential because
> they've had to go around the system."
> It's not clear whether dyslexics develop their special talents by learning to
> negotiate their disability or whether such skills are the genetic inheritance
> of being dyslexic. It's a question Shaywitz plans to explore, along with
> trying to change the way dyslexia is viewed in the educational system and the
> business world. One project at

Re: [scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I really hope none of you fine people 
contributed any ducats to making "National Treasure 2" the number one movie 
over the Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years 
ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off 
with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot 
acting by Cage and Voight ("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or 
engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't 
have a thing against low brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) 
or mindless action flicks. I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every 
single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure 
cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go 
"boom!". Love that flick.
But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

Please tell me none of you watched it?



"National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced to 
$65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened last 
Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on 
Wednesday.
Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 international 
markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 2004 smash 
"National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies around the world 
trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's assassination.
Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
$47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
Pictures.
Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century 
Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit "Alvin and 
the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. After 
11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 million, 
and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five 
days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, 
warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile vehicle 
starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its 
first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
Christmas-related chores are behind them.
The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul of 
$4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
estimate for the box office disappointment.
Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because they 
will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel "Alien 
vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great Debaters," and 
the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures is 
a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
(Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)

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[scifinoir2] Re: "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

oh, speaking of certain low brow movies i do like-- "Bad Santa". Don't 
forget "Bad Santa". I laugh so hard everytime i see that crude movie, i almost 
bust a gut. My wife is horrified at how i can find humour in Billy Bob 
Thornton's portrayal of a crooked, soused Santa who curses at an innocent kid 
while taking advantage of him, but I just love that movie.  Then she just says 
"oh, you love 'Monty Python' too. I worry about you sometimes".

I'd take Bad Santa over National Treasure any day!

-- Original message -- 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Johnson) 

I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making 
"National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend.  I tried 
to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as 
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. 
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight 
("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite 
what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low 
brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. 
I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it airs (much to my 
wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, 
over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.  
Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

Please tell me none of you watched it?



 "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced to 
$65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened last 
Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on 
Wednesday.
Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 international 
markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 2004 smash 
"National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies around the world 
trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's assassination.
Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
$47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
Pictures.
Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century 
Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit "Alvin and 
the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. After 
11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 million, 
and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five 
days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, 
warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile vehicle 
starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its 
first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
Christmas-related chores are behind them.
The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul of 
$4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
estimate for the box office disappointment.
Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because they 
will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel "Alien 
vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great Debaters," and 
the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures is 
a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
(Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[scifinoir2] "National Treasure 2" Rules Box Office - :(

I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making 
"National Treasure 2" the number one movie over the Christmas weekend.  I tried 
to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as 
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. 
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight 
("just show me the money!!"). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite 
what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low 
brow humour (saw "Knocked Up" recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. 
I"m the guy who will watch "The Warriors" every single time it airs (much to my 
wife's consternation!) And "Face Off"? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, 
over-the-top acting, and things that go "boom!". Love that flick.
But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot.  
Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

Please tell me none of you watched it?



 "National Treasure" sleighs Christmas box office 
Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel "National Treasure: Book of Secrets" raced to 
$65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened last 
Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on 
Wednesday.
Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 international 
markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 2004 smash 
"National Treasure" stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies around the world 
trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's assassination.
Will Smith's sci-fi thriller "I Am Legend" was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
$47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
Pictures.
Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century 
Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit "Alvin and 
the Chipmunks," saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. After 
11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
The fact-based political comedy "Charlie Wilson's War" earned $14.75 million, 
and the Johnny Depp musical "Sweeney Todd" $12.75 million, both after five 
days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, 
warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
The box office jury is still out on "Charlie Wilson," a high-profile vehicle 
starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
theaters as "Sweeney Todd," which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
Further down the rankings, "P.S. I Love You" had earned $9.1 million in its 
first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
Christmas-related chores are behind them.
The musical spoof "Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story" reported a four-day haul of 
$4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
estimate for the box office disappointment.
Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because they 
will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel "Alien 
vs. Predator: Requiem," the Denzel Washington drama "The Great Debaters," and 
the family fantasy "The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep."
Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures is 
a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
(Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Studies Show Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs

I know that Sir Richard Branson (founder of Virgin) is a great example of
this. I've just been reading his autobiography this past week and he has
seen things a lot clearer and simpler than many people who have struggled to
master just ONE industry, and he's a guy who has been a leader in the
record, retail, wine, comics, airline and mobile phone businesses.

I think this opens up a larger discussion. What  about the many many people
who are in higher education for jobs and job training? Is it time to
overhaul the education system and teach THINKING rather than train for
tests? 



On 12/26/07 10:45 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Dyslexia forces you to look at things in totality and not just as a single
> chess move. I play out the whole scenario in my mind and then work through
> it. All of my life, I've built organizations with a broad perspective in
> mind."  -- John Chambers, CEO, Cisco Systems
> 
> 
> This is a fascinating article, one of the best concepts i've encountered all
> year.  Apparently the percentage of successful business leaders and
> entrepreneurs that have dyslexia (estimated at 35 %) is higher than the
> percentage of Americans who have it (said to be around 15%). while i can't
> verify the ratio of these numbers yet, the concept is amazing.  These people
> who have the most difficult time reading basic sentences or directions, who
> later in life deal with increasing difficulty at keeping things sorted and
> organized in their minds, succeed at a very high rate. As the article says,
> this can be attributed to many things, such as learning to study carefully and
> work harder to pull out important facts, knowing what things aren't important
> to focus on at a given moment, dealing with frustration and failure (the old
> "try, try again" mentality), and most importantly, learning to embrace others
> who might have skillsets to complement one's weaknesses.  Charles Schwab, Sir
> Richard Br
> anson, Chambers--all the dyslexics who've succeeded in business say they
> learned long ago to listen to other peoples' opinions, to delegate tasks. One
> guy said, "when you have to learn to accept help from someone in just learning
> how to read, you learn to listen to people in your company and embrace their
> ideas without your ego getting in the way".
> 
> Something to be learned here in for  those of us who are for the most part
> hale and healthy in mind and body...
> 
> ***
> 
> http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/dec2007/db20071212_539295.
> htm
> 
> Why Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs
> The ability to grasp the big picture, persistence, and creativity are a few of
> the entrepreneurial traits of many dyslexics. Just ask Charles Schwab
> by Gabrielle Coppola
> When Alan Meckler, the CEO of IT and online imagery hub Jupitermedia (JUPM),
> was accepted to Columbia University in 1965, the dean's office told him he had
> some of the lowest college boards of any student ever admitted. "I got a 405
> or 410 in English," he recalls. "In those days you got a 400 just for putting
> your name down! Yet I was on the dean's list every year I was there, and I won
> a prize for having the best essay in American history my senior year."
> It wasn't until years later, at age 58, that Meckler learned he was dyslexic.
> He struggles with walking and driving directions, and interpreting charts and
> graphs. He prefers to listen to someone explain a problem to him, rather than
> sit down and read 20 pages describing it. As a youth, Meckler discovered a
> unique strengthbaseballand cultivated it religiously to compensate for
> weakness in other areas.
> Asset or Handicap?
> All of these things, according to Dr. Sally Shaywitz, a professor of learning
> development at Yale University, are classic signs of dyslexia. Shaywitz has
> long argued that dyslexia should be evaluated as an asset, not just a
> handicap. She recently co-founded the Yale Center for Dyslexia & Creativity,
> dedicated to studying the link between the two. "I want people to wish they
> were dyslexic," she says. "There are many positive attributes that can't be
> taught that people are generally not aware of. We always write about how we're
> losing human capitaldyslexics are not able to achieve their potential because
> they've had to go around the system."
> It's not clear whether dyslexics develop their special talents by learning to
> negotiate their disability or whether such skills are the genetic inheritance
> of being dyslexic. It's a question Shaywitz plans to explore, along with
> trying to change the way dyslexia is viewed in the educational system and the
> business world. One project at the center will be an education series to train
> executives to recognize outside-the-box thinkers who don't perform well on
> standardized tests.
> Shaywitz recently tested a well-known CEO (whom she declined to identify) for
> dyslexia. The man confessed that he'd h

[scifinoir2] OT: Studies Show Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs

"Dyslexia forces you to look at things in totality and not just as a single 
chess move. I play out the whole scenario in my mind and then work through it. 
All of my life, I've built organizations with a broad perspective in mind."  -- 
John Chambers, CEO, Cisco Systems


This is a fascinating article, one of the best concepts i've encountered all 
year.  Apparently the percentage of successful business leaders and 
entrepreneurs that have dyslexia (estimated at 35 %) is higher than the 
percentage of Americans who have it (said to be around 15%). while i can't 
verify the ratio of these numbers yet, the concept is amazing.  These people 
who have the most difficult time reading basic sentences or directions, who 
later in life deal with increasing difficulty at keeping things sorted and 
organized in their minds, succeed at a very high rate. As the article says, 
this can be attributed to many things, such as learning to study carefully and 
work harder to pull out important facts, knowing what things aren't important 
to focus on at a given moment, dealing with frustration and failure (the old 
"try, try again" mentality), and most importantly, learning to embrace others 
who might have skillsets to complement one's weaknesses.  Charles Schwab, Sir 
Richard Br
anson, Chambers--all the dyslexics who've succeeded in business say they 
learned long ago to listen to other peoples' opinions, to delegate tasks. One 
guy said, "when you have to learn to accept help from someone in just learning 
how to read, you learn to listen to people in your company and embrace their 
ideas without your ego getting in the way".  

Something to be learned here in for  those of us who are for the most part hale 
and healthy in mind and body...

***

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/dec2007/db20071212_539295.htm

Why Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs
The ability to grasp the big picture, persistence, and creativity are a few of 
the entrepreneurial traits of many dyslexics. Just ask Charles Schwab 
by Gabrielle Coppola 
When Alan Meckler, the CEO of IT and online imagery hub Jupitermedia (JUPM), 
was accepted to Columbia University in 1965, the dean's office told him he had 
some of the lowest college boards of any student ever admitted. "I got a 405 or 
410 in English," he recalls. "In those days you got a 400 just for putting your 
name down! Yet I was on the dean's list every year I was there, and I won a 
prize for having the best essay in American history my senior year." 
It wasn't until years later, at age 58, that Meckler learned he was dyslexic. 
He struggles with walking and driving directions, and interpreting charts and 
graphs. He prefers to listen to someone explain a problem to him, rather than 
sit down and read 20 pages describing it. As a youth, Meckler discovered a 
unique strengthbaseballand cultivated it religiously to compensate for 
weakness in other areas. 
Asset or Handicap?
All of these things, according to Dr. Sally Shaywitz, a professor of learning 
development at Yale University, are classic signs of dyslexia. Shaywitz has 
long argued that dyslexia should be evaluated as an asset, not just a handicap. 
She recently co-founded the Yale Center for Dyslexia & Creativity, dedicated to 
studying the link between the two. "I want people to wish they were dyslexic," 
she says. "There are many positive attributes that can't be taught that people 
are generally not aware of. We always write about how we're losing human 
capitaldyslexics are not able to achieve their potential because they've had 
to go around the system." 
It's not clear whether dyslexics develop their special talents by learning to 
negotiate their disability or whether such skills are the genetic inheritance 
of being dyslexic. It's a question Shaywitz plans to explore, along with trying 
to change the way dyslexia is viewed in the educational system and the business 
world. One project at the center will be an education series to train 
executives to recognize outside-the-box thinkers who don't perform well on 
standardized tests. 
Shaywitz recently tested a well-known CEO (whom she declined to identify) for 
dyslexia. The man confessed that he'd hired an outside company to help identify 
future leaders within the organization by administering a reading test. "'The 
irony is,' I told him, 'you're eliminating and sifting out all the people like 
yourself who might actually be the ones to be creative and make a difference.'" 
Coping Skills
That kind of rejection, along with a penchant for creativity, may help explain 
why so many dyslexics are inclined to become entrepreneurs. Julie Logan, a 
professor of entrepreneurship at Cass Business School in London, believes 
strongly in the connection. 
In a study to be published in January, Logan found that 35% of entrepreneurs in 
the U.S. show signs of dyslexia, compared to 20% in Britain. Logan attributes 
the gap to a more flexible

Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark

i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then there 
are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment.  
okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying 
regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know, 
too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a 
myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to 
this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one 
mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of 
my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily 
translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's 
Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of incarceration 
for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not readily available 
for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, 
no matter what you intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out 
to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from 
Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he was misquoted...

***
http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html
LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site 
articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish 
newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily 
Record, Smith was quoted saying: "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do 
the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and 
using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'"
The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: "Remarkably, Will believes 
everyone is basically good."
Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about 
the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a "good" person.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark

And, after a moment's thought, I should add that someone *did* think that 
Hitler was doing some good. Back in 1938, he was nominated for a Nobel Peace 
Prize. Seriously.

Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   I know that, in 
H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying regularity, 
leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know, too often, 
this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a myriad of ways. 
Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to this effect, or 
defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one mike stuck in my 
face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of my life (as I 
watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily translatable and, had 
there not been two large members of DeKalb County's Finest on hand at the 
moment, would've resulted in a long term of incarceration for yours truly. IMO, 
the best thing to do in that sitch, not readily available for celebs like 
Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Statements like this 
almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you intend. Whenever you say 
that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm 
not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he 
was misquoted...
  
  ***
  http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html
  LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site 
articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish 
newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily 
Record, Smith was quoted saying: "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do 
the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and 
using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'"
  The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: "Remarkably, Will 
believes everyone is basically good."
  Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about 
the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a "good" person.
  
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organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A 
Country"

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Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark

I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying 
regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know, 
too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a 
myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to 
this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one 
mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of 
my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily 
translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's 
Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of incarceration 
for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not readily available 
for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Statements like this 
almost always get you in trouble, no matter what you intend. Whenever you say 
that an evil person didn't set out to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm 
not sure what the exact quote from Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he 
was misquoted...
 
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 http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html
 LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site 
articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish 
newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily 
Record, Smith was quoted saying: "Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do 
the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and 
using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'"
 The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: "Remarkably, Will believes 
everyone is basically good."
 Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about 
the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a "good" person.
 
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