[scifinoir2] Re: FW: [natural-health-forum] Pollution may influence baldness, study says

[Carole McDonnell]

Soy has also been indicated in many cases. And soy is in sooo many 
things. -C

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[scifinoir2] Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Carole McDonnell]

LOL!!!

Hey, what can you do?

Romance novels are full of women being ravished and carried off 
usually by some wild romantic savage. And unless the ravisher is  
romantic in the civilized way the writer approves, the hero (wild and 
romantic but civilized) has to go take her back from the evil sheik 
or evil prince or evil comanche that snatched her. 

I suspect the writer thought she went pretty far...actually create a 
child of the forbidden villain-victim union. But she wasn't gonna 
allow the half-breed child of rape to live. In the end, all that rape 
and child-bearing was quickly forgotten.


-C



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> How thoughtful and romantic..
> 
> Carole McDonnell wrote:
> > The worst save in specfic history -- I forgot the title-- wasn't 
in a 
> > science fiction film but in a romance novel. The hero comes and 
saves 
> > the girl who had been raped/ravished by the bad guy. Her child in 
the 
> > scuffle and the hero comes up to the girl, sweeps her up (cause 
she was 
> > so weak and all) and gently pushes the baby aside while he whisks 
girl 
> > off. It was like: okay
> >
> > -C
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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[scifinoir2] Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

[Carole McDonnell]

The worst save in specfic history -- I forgot the title-- wasn't in a 
science fiction film but in a romance novel. The hero comes and saves 
the girl who had been raped/ravished by the bad guy. Her child in the 
scuffle and the hero comes up to the girl, sweeps her up (cause she was 
so weak and all) and gently pushes the baby aside while he whisks girl 
off. It was like: okay

-C

[scifinoir2] Author signing: B&N author event for those in westchester NY

[Carole McDonnell]

  Well, I'm all signed up. They are ironing out whether or not we'll
actually be reading excerpts. Will see. I think the Pinkneys will be there
too. Way neat.


Carole McDonnell (Wind Follower) and other local authors will discuss and
sign their books,
Carole's book is story about a quest, a vendetta, and a spiritual battle. It
is a multicultural Christian fantasy about the relationship between race and
religion. I think


WHEN: Saturday, November 17, 2007 @ 12:00 noon
WHERE: Barnes & Noble Cortlandt Town Center
3089 East Main Street, Route 6
Mohegan Lake, NY 10547

*store:* 914-528-6275



-- 
Then said I, "Here am I; send me."
Carole McDonnell
www.carolemcdonnell.com
Wind Follower, Juno Books, August 2007
http://tinyurl.com/yvqzvb


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[scifinoir2] Re: Doctor Warns Consumers of Popcorn Fumes

[Carole McDonnell]

First:

Moderation in all things. I remember the guy who died from eating 
tons of carrots and Vitamin A. 

Second:

Corn has got to be the most genetically modified/engineered food in 
the world. I get a kind of pseudo carpal tunnel when I eat it. 

Third: 

Allergists know well enough that fumes can kill or seriously harmed. 
People with shrimp allergies have been known to drop dead or break 
out from breathing fumes from shrimp in seafood restaurants.

Fourth: Personal experience.

If I want to get really sick, I go to red lobster. The corn, shrimp, 
and cheese all have glutamic acid. I get totally knocked out for 
weeks when I eat that stuff.

Yep, anything is possible.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> At first read, the whole concept of "popcorn lung" might seem 
silly, but of course, the medium to deliver the matter to the 
atmosphere doesn't really matter. Too much chemical/particulate 
matter in the air can be detrimental to the lungs.  And I must say, I 
hope this guy is gonna be okay, but how do you eat *several* bags of 
popcorn a day for years on end???
>  

[scifinoir2] The making of star wars review

[Carole McDonnell]

Ed Driscoll's review of "The Making of Star Wars" is fascinating. Read it
and vote.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/05/30/050411.php

http://digg.com/movies/Book_Review_The_Making_of_Star_Wars_by_J_W_Rinzler
http://movies.netscape.com/story/2007/05/30/book-review-the-making-of-star-w
ars-by-jw-rinzler/
http://reddit.com/info/1uko6/comments


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[scifinoir2] Adapt or Die -- weather warnings for India and New Orleans

[Carole McDonnell]

Anisur Rahman is the mayor of a village that is literally 
disappearing beneath his feet. He knows how this is happening but not 
why. His village, Antarpara, used to straddle one of the great rivers 
of Asia, the Brahmaputra. Like the Ganges, the Brahmaputra originates 
as snow melt in the Himalayas before pouring down through the low 
plain that is Bangladesh to the Indian Ocean. Centuries of practice 
have taught people how to cope with the annual flooding of the 
Brahmaputra. They even welcome it, despite the foot or more of water 
it sometimes leaves in their huts, because without it their lands 
would be less fertile. 

But things are different now. "This river comes from India," says the 
mayor as we look out at the muddy water. "For some reason, the water 
in India is increasing, so the floods here are bigger. The floods are 
sweeping away our houses, even the land beneath them. There were 239 
families in this village before. Now we are thirty-eight families."

Clustered around us are dozens of villagers, mainly women in cheap, 
bright saris--lime green, sky blue, scarlet--with children clinging 
to their necks. "I have had to move my house seven times in the last 
twenty-eight years," says Charna, a mother of two. "I used to live 
over there," she says, pointing toward the middle of the river, "but 
floods washed the land away and I had to move here." But there is 
little room here either. Bangladesh is the most densely populated 
country in the world; its 150 million people--half the size of the US 
population--are crammed into an area about as large as Iowa. "We 
don't even have land for a graveyard," Charna laments.

Rest of article at:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070507/hertsgaard

[scifinoir2] I.R.S. Letting Tax Lawyers Write Rules

[Carole McDonnell]

I guess this is kinda writing-related. -C


By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON
Published: March 9, 2007
The Internal Revenue Service is asking tax lawyers and accountants 
who create tax shelters and exploit loopholes to take the lead in 
writing some of its new tax rules.

The pilot project represents a further expansion of the increasingly 
common federal government practice of asking outsiders to do more of 
its work, prompting academics and other critics to complain that the 
government is going too far.

They worry that having private lawyers and accountants draft tax 
rules could allow them to subtly skew them in favor of their clients.

"It's not the fox guarding the hen house; it's the fox designing the 
hen house," said Paul C. Light, a professor of political science at 
New York University, who studies the federal work force. 

Donald L. Korb, the I.R.S. general counsel, defended the plan, saying 
in an interview that he believed that the pilot project was "not 
changing this process one iota." 

"We are still getting comments; we are still having hearings," he 
said, and I.R.S. lawyers will still review any new rules before they 
are final.

But John D. Graham, the official appointed by President Bush to 
streamline the federal rule-making process and give private interests 
a greater voice, said even he was surprised by the I.R.S. plan.

"Whoever's pen the first draft comes out of has a big advantage," 
said Dr. Graham, who ran the Office of Regulatory and Information 
Affairs for the White House before becoming dean last week of the 
graduate school at RAND, the nonprofit research organization.

The I.R.S. staff has been cut by a fifth in the last decade, even as 
Congress has made the tax code vastly more complex. The agency, in a 
formal notice, said it lacked the resources to issue as much guidance 
as taxpayers are seeking. 

Rule making is the heart of what Washington does, though it gets 
little news coverage. Once a bill becomes law it must be carried out 
through rules that range from advice memoranda to formal regulations, 
which are printed in the Federal Register. At that point, they are 
subject to public comment and at times public hearings before being 
revised and then formally adopted as the way the executive branch 
will carry out the new law. 

A single word, sometimes one letter, can change the meaning of a 
rule: "must" or "may"; "and" versus "or"; "could" or "would." 

For many years, the government has relied on contractors to provide 
research and technical advice on regulations. Since 1980 one such 
firm, the Regulatory Group, has trained government employees in the 
art of writing regulations and has provided research and editorial 
consulting. It also works for private companies subject to regulation.

It is common for special interests of all types to be closely 
involved in drafting legislation and shaping rule making. 

But in recent years there has been a quickening pace of moves to 
outsource the actual work of regulation, hiring contractors to write 
the rules. Now the I.R.S. is proposing that outside experts do it at 
no charge, opening up the possibility that some firms providing the 
draft would be working on behalf of an individual, business or 
association seeking to plant a favorable nuance in a rule.

I.R.S. rule making has been especially contentious, including decades 
of efforts by the I.R.S. general counsel's office to keep secret the 
guidance issued to agency executives and field personnel. 

Nina Olson, the taxpayer advocate, an I.R.S. position created by 
Congress, complained in her latest annual report that Mr. Korb's 
office would not give her copies of guidance sent to high-level 
managers. 

Mr. Korb's office is appealing a Federal District Court order to make 
public all guidance to I.R.S. employees, even those it says should be 
confidential because they took less than two hours to write. 

Tax Analysts, publisher of the nonprofit magazine Tax Notes, brought 
that suit.

Tax Notes first reported the I.R.S. pilot project.

Several regulation experts and tax lawyers warned of dangers if the 
tax police must enforce rules written by those skilled at devising 
tax-free paths through the maze of the Internal Revenue Code.

Mortimer Caplin, tax commissioner during the Kennedy administration, 
said that as a law school professor "I instructed my students to work 
from their draft in any transaction because if you do the drafting 
you usually get your viewpoints behind the document."

Rest of article here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/09/business/09tax.html?
ei=5090&en=5e20c57b0236bb90&ex=1331096400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&
pagewanted=all

[scifinoir2] Article about book reviews

[Carole McDonnell]

Thought it was interesting. Goes to show that the smaller media outlets 
are probably the wave of the future...but still...I wouldn't mind a 
review in the NY Times
 
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB117314450821127664-
MI5IuROX7AT05Z2Ouzvt85\
WB9pQ_20080305.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top

[scifinoir2] ARTICLE: The end of an era

[Carole McDonnell]

URL to an article that appeared in MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11147506/
 
The end of an era
 
First few paragraphs
" 
DENVER - For more than 150 years, messages of joy, sorrow and success 
came in signature yellow envelopes hand-delivered by a courier. Now 
the Western Union telegram is officially a thing of the past.

The company formed in April 1856 to exploit the hot technology of the 
telegraph to send cross-country messages in less than a day. It is 
now focusing its attention on money transfers and other financial 
services, and delivered its final telegram on Friday.

"The decision was a hard decision because we're fully aware of our 
heritage," said Victor Chayet, a spokesman for the Greenwood Village, 
Colo.-based company. "But it's the final transition from a 
communications company to a financial services company."

Several telegraph companies that eventually combined to become 
Western Union were founded in 1851. Western Union built its first 
transcontinental telegraph line in 1861.
"At the time it was as incredible and astonishing as the computer 
when it first came out," said Tom Noel, a history professor at the 
University of Colorado at Denver. "For people who could barely 
understand it, here you had the magic of the electric force traveling 
by wire across the country."

 

Chris






 
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[scifinoir2] Re: How to handle everyday bigotry

[Carole McDonnell]

Just read the advice the website gave on how to handle bigotry. Ah, 
how sweetly interactive. I guess that kinda advice does work.  But I 
did get a good giggle out of it. I have never ever been that gentle 
when dealing with a racist. Why? They're never gentle when dealing 
with me. And I truly am not trying to be their friends. I basically 
come out and give them an insightful little bit of comeuppance...and 
do my best to embarrass them. Yeah, I know... but the gentle approach 
rarely works. Good Lord! I'm not put on earth to show racists how 
gentle and full of European etiquette I can be. I don't get loud, but 
I don't take prisoners either. They need to be told all about 
themselves to their face...that works better than gentleness I've 
foundbut it also sometimes makes you lose your job. (smile.) 



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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It was me, thanks. I had to serve notice to a guy at work who was
> calling a new Kenyan employee things like "Bush baby", and joking 
about
> him running with cheetah and carrying spears. I was just curious 
about
> the center's bits of advice, though I applied my own unique spin in 
this
> case, which was somewhere between strong "advice", outright 
threats, and
> acting a n*...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of George
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:45
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] How to handle everyday bigotry
> 
> 
> A couple weeks ago, somebody on this list asked me for
> the link to the Southern Poverty Law Center's site on
> ways to combat hate and/or everyday bias. Here's the
> link:
> 
> > DO YOU WONDER HOW TO HANDLE EVERYDAY BIGOTRY?
> > "A lot of people think prejudice is so yesterday,"
> > says Princeton psychology Prof. Susan Fiske. It's
> > not. See the US News and World Report article about
> > the dangers of everyday bigotry.
> >
> http://newsletter.splcenter.org/cgi-bin4/DM/y/es4N0HkpSc0LcT0D4M50Ew
> 
> Also, I've attached below the center's latest
> newsletter. You or somebody you know may find it
> helpful. BTW for perspective, this is the same Center
> which VP Cheney railed against about diversity/gay
> issues. Anything that annoys Cheney/BushCo I will
> support in a big way!
> 
> Happy holidays!
> 
> George
> Captain
> The USS Ronald E. McNair (Boston)
> - - - - - - - - -
> > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:09:03 -0500 (EST)
> > From: "Southern Poverty Law
> > Center"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: George Jenkins
> > Subject: Promoting Tolerance - Monitoring Hate -
> > Seeking Justice
> > 
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > SPLCenter.org
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > An e-newsletter for Southern Poverty Law Center
> > supporters
> > 
> > 
> > December 23, 2005
> > 
> > -
> > IN THIS ISSUE
> > -
> > -- Give a gift your friends and family will remember
> > -- Center pursues justice for beaten black man
> > -- Record number of requests for Tolerance materials
> > -- How do you handle everyday bigotry? Get our new
> > guide
> > 
> > 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Stiff competition for Bad Sex award

[Carole McDonnell]

It just seems so overwrought to me. Yeah, I know sex is vitality 
and vital force but dang it...these guys!

I personally avoid writing erotic love scenes. I get into all kinds 
of descriptions. Sounds more like contortionists than folks making 
love.

So I just avoid, avoid, avoid.

-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Oh damn! This chit is so bad it's funny! This shows there's a 
*major* difference between sex and erotica. The excerpts here are 
just clumsy usages of "dirty" words thrown onto the page, but they 
don't titillate or stimulate at all. Frankly, a clinical description 
of the sex act from Masters and Johnson would be more thrilling.  
This stuff *might* rise to the level of teenage boys giggling about 
sex, but barely. Especially Brando's crap.
> 
> The one thing that's even funnier: I'm in a writing group at my 
job. Each week we have little exercises to complete. Today's excerise 
is all about writing metaphors. So imagine how hard I'm laughing my 
ass off at metaphors in this post such as "...not juice at all but a 
demon eel thrashing in his loins and swimmingswiftly up his cock..."
> I can't wait to show this to the group!
> -- Original message -- 
> Stiff competition for Bad Sex award  
> 
> Michelle Pauli
> Monday  November 28, 2005 
> 
> 
> Read  all the longlisted passages _here_ 
> 
(http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/generalfiction/story/0,6000,1
652812,00.html)   
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[scifinoir2] Re: Fw: Scientists Don't Sue to Gain Access to Pulpits

[Carole McDonnell]

Just to pop in here.

The folks who use "God said it," etc don't usually say it in a 
bellicose manner. The way they say it is being misunderstood and 
misrepresented in this.  The same goes for "reason being the enemy of 
faith." Am not going to attempt to describe the real meaning of faith 
here but sufficeth to say the folks who use it are generally not 
talking about evolution, etc. They are usually talking about 
reasoning about spiritual things, not reasoning about rationale 
things. If you get what I mean. So reasoning about the existence of 
the soul after death is an enemy of faith, for instance. Christianity 
tells us to love God with our whole minds, souls, strength, heart. 
There are a ton of theologians out there who have faith and reason 
working quite well together.  

The quote is much the same as John Keats comment about negative 
capability, "The excellence of every art is its intensity, capable of 
making all disagreeables evaporate, from their being in close 
relationship with Beauty and Truth. Examine 'King Lear', and you will 
find this exemplified throughout; but in this picture we have 
unpleasantness without any momentous depth of speculation excited, in 
which to bury its repulsiveness-The picture is larger than 'Christ 
rejected'.several things dove-tailed in my mind, and at once it 
struck me what quality went to form a Man of Achievement, especially 
in Literature, and which Shakespeare possessed so enormously - I mean 
Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in 
uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching 
after fact and reason-Coleridge, for instance, would let go by a fine 
isolated verisimilitude caught from the Penetralium of mystery, from 
being incapable of remaining content with half-knowledge. This 
pursued through volumes would perhaps take us no further than this, 
that with a great poet the sense of Beauty overcomes every other 
consideration, or rather obliterates all consideration."

I've always liked that quote because it describes so well how reason 
must sometimes bow to faith. And Einstein himself and Stephen Hawking 
have said very near the same thing about certain truths than can only 
be spiritually guessed at because as the great 
philosopher/mathematician Pascal said "The heart has its reason that 
reason cannot know."  In short, faith is not insecurity about belief 
but a higher kind of belief and a higher kind of security in that 
belief...a belief so secure that people (like myself) allow 
themselves to be mocked because they are so sure of it.

As for God's gender, the Bible portrays God as a mother brooding over 
creation and as a father. The word "he" does denote masculine. But 
biologically and entymologically speaking the word "man" denotes both 
male and female. A woman has only XX chromosomes, a man has both 
XY...therefore to call God a man would seem to better and mroe fully 
describe the sexlessness or bisexual nature of God better than 
calling that Being a Woman. Not that sex manners. God, last thing I 
heard, did not have a pen*s.

-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Harlib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

> >
> > INSECURITY
> >
> > It suggests an insecurity that belies the bellicose battle cry of 
Bible
> > literalists: ''God said it. I believe it. That settles it.'' Or 
in the
> words
> > of a church sign as related to me last week by a minister in 
Maine: Reason
> > is the enemy of faith.
> >
> > That's a sad, troubling and even pathetic mind-set.
> >
> > We inhabit a universe vaster than human comprehension, older than 
human
> > wanderings, more wondrous than human conception. And in the face 
of that,
> we
> > do the natural thing. We ask questions and seek answers.
> >
> > That's not a denial of God. It is evidence of Him.





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[scifinoir2] Favoured Races WAS Re: Only the Fittest Survive

[Carole McDonnell]

Ah yes, scientists! The article does show a side of science that we 
don't often think about. It's good not only to remember that 
scientists think of themselves as being the epitome of human 
intellectual development and vie to be the "greatest, the first, the 
most insightful." But white scientists of the past also thought of 
themselves and their RACE as the epitome, the very "fittest." Let's 
remember that Darwin's complete title for his work is not "Origin of 
Species" which book companies so tactfully title the book when they 
publish it, but 

"On the Origin of Species by means of Natural Selection, or the 
Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."

And by "Favoured Races" he didn't mean the black race.  Eugenics, 
evolution, scientific pride of race and Origin of Species are 
intricately tied together because so much of science is arrogance, 
and so much of science history is about being racially superior, one 
just wants to barf. So it's not surprising that some white scientist 
would use his race and his very own person as the yardstick with 
which all great races are to be measured.

-C


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Harlib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Fascinating essay about an important but not often discussed 
aspect of science.
> 
> 

> 
> October 11, 2005
> In the Classification Kingdom, Only the Fittest Survive 
> By CAROL KAESUK YOON
> Carolus Linnaeus, the 18th-century botanist and father of 
scientific naming, enjoyed the unusual status of international 
scientific hero.
> 
> Celebrated as the creator of a classification system that brought 
order to the flood of new species being discovered, Linnaeus was 
revered in his native Sweden and was so widely admired across Europe 
that he became one of the most frequently painted figures of the 
1700's. (The 515 portraits, incidentally, did nothing to correct his 
already oversized ego.)
<> 
> So let all comers step up to the plate. Why not, when the rewards 
are so rich? Not only did Linnaeus shape the naming of life for more 
than two centuries, but he also enjoyed perks including crowning 
himself "prince of botanists" and reviewing his own work as "a 
masterpiece that no one can read too often or admire too much."
> 
> His glories even include being designated as the so-
called "lectotype," a kind of official scientific specimen to 
represent, for science and for all of time, the species Homo sapiens. 
Not bad for an old-time flower collector.
> 
> 
> 
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>   b.. 
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[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?

[Carole McDonnell]

You made me laugh soo hard just now. Couldn't help it. -C

> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "DJ VIBE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > > guess all the Black folks were killed off in the cataclysm while
> > > Buck was traveling through time.





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[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?

[Carole McDonnell]

Definitely a mess. I kept thinking that it was way too inner-space 
directed with way way too much psychobabble. Heck, if I wanted to get 
so much into the psychology of repressed types I'd have watched Dr 
Phil.

-C


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Johnson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> yeah, "Enterprise" was a huge one. I posted a review of every single
> episode here, and I can think of maybe one show--two at best--where
> Mayweather had a significant role. I often stated only half-jokingly
> that he had less screen time than Archer's dog Porthos!  Hoshi--the
> Asian Comm officer--fared only slighter better. It was very 
confusing
> for a modern Star Trek show to take steps backwards in usage of 
people
> of color. Before we had Geordi, Worf, Tuvok, Torres. Some used 
better
> than others, but all used more than Mayweather.  That misstep was 
more
> of the same bad written that helped doom the series, as the whole 
thing
> was a confused mess until the last season.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Carole McDonnell
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 09:56
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black 
people?
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?

[Carole McDonnell]

Hey, before I even noticed there was no black folks on this thing, 
just as the trailers were coming, I got turned off by all those 
nubile young starlets.  Hey men of all color can get into 
masturbatory SF, but I had better things to do.


-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 10/9/05 4:17:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> 
> > I think it is as simple as this: 'We' didn't write it...'We' have 
very 
> > little to do with it...'We' are not part of his world...
> > 
> 
> And there for "If I am not part of his world then I do not have to 
watch it.  
>  And tell others to do the same."
> 
> And they wonder why it's hard to attract blacks into sci-fi.
> 
> -GTW
> 





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[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?

[Carole McDonnell]

Hey, before I even noticed there was no black folks on this thing, 
just as the trailers were coming, I got turned off by all those 
nubile young starlets.  Hey men of all color can get into 
masturbatory SF, but I had better things to do.


-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 10/9/05 4:17:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> 
> > I think it is as simple as this: 'We' didn't write it...'We' have 
very 
> > little to do with it...'We' are not part of his world...
> > 
> 
> And there for "If I am not part of his world then I do not have to 
watch it.  
>  And tell others to do the same."
> 
> And they wonder why it's hard to attract blacks into sci-fi.
> 
> -GTW
> 





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[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?

[Carole McDonnell]

Ah, so true!!

That's also one of the reasons I couldn't watch Enterprise. They didn't 
seem to know what to do with "the black guy." I mean...they had 
a "black guy" on the deck and all. But it was so obvious, they didn't 
think enough to give him a personality. So he was just this good-
natured token. Quota filled but essentials still not understood. -C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think it is as simple as this: 'We' didn't write it...'We' have 
very little to do with it...'We' are not part of his world...






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[scifinoir2] The Ig Nobel awards 2005

[Carole McDonnell]

BOSTON - Gregg Miller mortgaged his home and maxed out his credit 
cards to mass produce his invention — prosthetic testicles for 
neutered dogs.

What started 10 years ago with an experiment on an unwitting 
Rottweiler named Max has turned into a thriving mail-order business. 
And on Thursday night Miller's efforts earned him a dubious yet 
strangely coveted honor: the Ig Nobel Prize for medicine.

"Considering my parents thought I was an idiot when I was a kid, this 
is a great honor," he said. "I wish they were alive to see it."



The Ig Nobels, given at Harvard University by Annals of Improbable 
Research magazine, celebrate the humorous, creative and odd side of 
science.

Miller has sold more than 150,000 of his Neuticles, more than 
doubling his $500,000 investment. The silicone implants come in 
different sizes, shapes, weights and degrees of firmness. The 
product's Web site says Neuticles allow a pet "to retain his natural 
look" and "self esteem."


Although the Ig Nobels are not exactly prestigious, many recipients 
are, like Miller, happy to win.

"Most scientists — no matter what they're doing, good or bad — never 
get any attention at all," said Marc Abrahams, editor of the Annals 
of Improbable Research.

Some, like Benjamin Smith of the University of Adelaide in Australia, 
who won the biology prize, actually nominated their own work. "I've 
been a fan of the Ig Nobels for a while," he said.

Smith's team studied and catalogued different scents emitted by more 
than 100 species of frogs under stress. Some smelled like cashews, 
while others smelled like licorice, mint or rotting fish.

He recalled getting strange looks when he'd show up at zoos asking to 
smell the frogs. "I've been turned away at the gate," he said.



This year's other Ig Nobel winners include:

Physics: Since 1927, researchers at the University of Queensland in 
Australia have been tracking a glob of congealed black tar as it 
drips through a funnel — at a rate of one drop every nine years.
Peace: Two researchers at Newcastle University in England monitored 
the brain activity of locusts as they watched clips from the 
movie "Star Wars."
Chemistry: An experiment at the University of Minnesota was designed 
to prove whether people can swim faster or slower in syrup than in 
water.
The Ig Nobel for literature went to the Nigerians who introduced 
millions of e-mail users to a "cast of rich characters ... each of 
whom requires just a small amount of expense money so as to obtain 
access to the great wealth to which they are entitled."

The awards are intended as a spoof of the Nobel science prizes, also 
announced this week. This year, they have another link: Roy Glauber, 
a Harvard professor who has long taken part in the Ig Nobel 
festivities, was among those awarded the physics Nobel this year.

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[scifinoir2] Re: The Wit and Wisdom of Nipsey Russell...

[Carole McDonnell]

I loved Nipsey so much. It was only when I heard his death mentioned on 
the news that I realized I had totally forgotten about his existence. 
That's the way it is in life I guess. I remember listening to him a lot 
when I was a kid. Would be interesting to hear those jokes now that I'm 
older...and to get all the subtle political and social commentary that 
I must've missed.

Well he's walking with the Creator now. God bless him. 

-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Robert A. Monroe, Jr." 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The opposite of pro is con;
> 
> That fact is clearly seen;
> 
> If progress means move forward,
> 
> Then what does Congress mean?
> 
> - Nipsey Russell
> 
> 
> 
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[scifinoir2] Is 'Lost' a literal enigma?

[Carole McDonnell]

Is 'Lost' a literal enigma? 
 
By Ann Oldenburg, USA TODAY 
 
Literary references have been sprinkled throughout the mysteries of 
Lost: In an episode last season, the character Sawyer was reading 
Watership Down by Richard Adams, the story of rabbits searching for a 
safe place in a threatening world. At another point, he read 
Madeleine L'Engle's A Wrinkle in Time, about time travel.
Look for another literary reference — and possibly another clue 
to the island's secret — on tonight's Lost (ABC, 9 ET/PT).
At one point, someone will pick up a copy of the novel The Third 
Policeman by the late Irish writer Flann O'Brien. The cover will be 
seen for about a second, ABC confirms. (Related story: Lost in the 
details)

It will be featured at a "key moment" in the show, Craig Wright, who 
co-wrote the episode with Javier Grillo-Marxuach, told the Chicago 
Tribune. Wright also said anyone familiar with the book will "have a 
lot more ammunition" in dissecting Lost plotlines.

Following the bread-crumb trail of clues in Lost has become a 
passionate pastime, fueled further by a new season that has taken 
viewers down the hatch. In lost-tv.com's Literary Mysticism area, 
fans already are analyzing The Third Policeman.

So could this be a Rosetta stone for Lost?

Neither ABC nor the scriptwriters would comment on Policeman or its 
relation to the plot. But Amy Bauer, a music professor at the 
University of California-Irvine who helps organize the flood of 
postings on lost-tv.com, doesn't think so. 

A clue such as Policeman is "offered a bit tongue-in-cheek," she 
says. "O'Brien was a brilliant comic writer, and his absurd take on 
the world may be a nod to the fans who connect every item in every 
scene to some overriding scheme."

In The Third Policeman, the narrator is a man who assists in a money-
motivated killing. While trying to retrieve the stashed bounty, he 
passes into a strange world, meeting bicycles, policemen and a band 
of one-legged men. 

Reviewers' reactions varied widely, calling the 
novel "warped," "silly," "baffling," "inventive" and "frightening." 

Its surreal exploration of time, death and existence might be 
reflective of what's happening on Lost, says Chad Post of publisher 
Dalkey Archive Press, which is part of Illinois State University. 

Speculation on The Third Policeman's cameo already has boosted sales. 
After the Tribune article appeared, Dalkey sold 8,000 copies in two 
days, says Post. 

O'Brien, a pseudonym for Brian O'Nolan, finished writing the book in 
1940, but it wasn't published until 1967, a year after his death. In 
two reissue printings during the past six years, the book sold 15,000 
copies.

 




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[scifinoir2] Re: "Lost" and "Invasion"

[Carole McDonnell]

That first scene of Lost was the absolute best opening sequence in a 
show I've seen in a while. Worked better than all those stories with 
first chapters with no-name characters. I kept saying "who's this? 
Whose hair is that? Why the heck won't they show his face? Is it 
someone we've already seen or some new guy?"

-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Johnson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (Minor spoilers)
>  
> So, what did you think of the shows? Lost was good, but only in 
that it
> added more to the mystery rather than answering any questions. 
What's up
> with the dude under the hatch? How can he be there? Nothing on 
what's up
> with Walt.   "Invasion" was good, just the tip of an iceberg. The 
lights
> during the hurricane were creepy, as was the way all the people who
> disappeared during the storm--only to show up later naked--started
> acting strangely. You can already start guessing which people are 
aliens
> and humans replaced by aliens.  The whole "they're among us" angle
> reminds me of the late great show "The Invaders" from way back in 
the
> '60s, or most recently, maybe "First Wave". The same sense of 
impending
> dread and desperate, lonely search for the truth in a world that 
thinks
> you're crazy. Lots of potential, and a good accompaniment 
for "Lost", as
> long as people don't tire of season-long mystery shows.
>  
>  
> 
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Scifi shows on The Hallmark Channel

[Carole McDonnell]

Definitely. Nemo and his assistant were the only ones who had 
personality. I guess because they didn't have the burden of having to 
be heroes or innocent sex-pots. What I kept focusing on in both the 
Jason and the Argonauts and the Mysterious Island films were how 
they'd use the black guys. The magical Negro. I know, I know. I had 
to let it go after a while. A clear case of hollywood trying to show 
the nobility of good black folks but one had to gag everytime a black 
person did or said something noble.  Camera on black hero.  Yes, 
audience, did you get that? Black folks are good too.
-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella \(formerly 
Tracey L. Minor\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thought it was bad.  Bad writing for the most part.  However, I 
did like
> Nemo and his assistant.  Great assessment about  supernova.  I was 
hoping
> for a 2001 storyline as well.
> 
> Tracey
> 
>




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[scifinoir2] Re: Scifi shows on The Hallmark Channel

[Carole McDonnell]

Mysterious Island is good... a bit slow. Not a lot of special effects 
though. Some nice big island creatures here and there. Captain Nemo 
(Patrick Stewart) is very sympathetic.

SuperNova had the great possibility of being a great movie. It starts 
out dealing with the boredom of space and drugs and sex addition, 
maybe even a commentary on solitariness. It was fairly thoughtful 
about seemed to be about to get really dark with the characters 
INSIDE the ship. Then that "thing" is found. And the film stops 
really focusing on the characters within -- and I kinda hoped it 
would turn into a kind of 2001-- and becomes very action-oriented. 
The entire thing suddenly begins churning away, turning into an 
action flick and making James Spader a superhero. I heard it was 
rewritten several times and it definitely feels like two different 
movies.  It would have made a wonderful slow introspective 
claustrophobic SF film but they had to think of the crowd that likes 
action pics and easy bad guys.

As for the sci-porn...just a lot of sex done because characters are 
bored. Hey, they're out in space. But the way it's filmed...a bit 
soft-pornish. 

And that last scene when a new world and a new adam and eve are 
created a howler. It's a bad movie but if you can manage to sit 
through it, you'll see what I mean. 

-C


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Johnson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How is "Mysterious Island"? I just got home and didn't record it, so
> will catch the rerun. Also, Justice League Unlimited is back (more 
on
> that later) and that takes precedence. I've never watched the
> "Supernova" movie 'cause many people say it sucks. What's the deal 
with
> it? What's that "porn" reference you made mean?




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[scifinoir2] Re: Scifi shows on The Hallmark Channel

[Carole McDonnell]

Am watching Mysterious Island now. Just finished watching Jason and 
the Argonaurs...which was fun cause I'm working on a quest story and 
hey it was neat to see this. 

As for supernova...that's been repeating.  Haven't seen it yet. But 
I'm sure it has nothing on that other Supernova, the great sci-porn 
howler with James Spader and my girl Angela Bassett. Now there is an 
odd movie if ever I saw one. Such a neat possibility in the 
beginning...a real thinking film. And then it turns into this cringer 
action picture. I truly truly cannot watch the ending scene without 
laughing and cringing.

-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Johnson" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This has been an interesting discovery recently. The Hallmark 
Channel
> has been doing a lot of original programming, some good, some bad. 
They
> remind me of nothing so much as the old days when ABC and the other
> channels would have the Movie of the Week. One week it'd be a human
> interest story about alchoholic teens, the next it's Columbo or some
> other sleuth, the next it'd be a scifi flick. Hallmark's like that.
> They've remade "Mysterious Island" with Patrick Stewart. Remember 
the
> original one? People land on an island where Captain Nemo is
> experimenting with some kind of supergrowth food, resulting in giant
> chickens, giant crabs, giant bees and such.  Then there's this
> mini-series about the sun going supernova, staring Luke Perry. 
Anyone
> seen that?
>  
> http://www.hallmarkchannel.com
>  
> "Jules Verne's Mysterious Island".
>  A hot air balloon carrying passengers and a dog escapes from 
Richmond,
> Virginia during the American Civil War only to be blown far off 
course,
> resulting in a crash landing on an uncharted island. Struggling to 
stay
> alive as they hunger for a rescue that may never come, the isolated,
> desperate survivors face pirates, scavengers, giant reptilian 
creatures,
> the wrath of Mother Nature and the inexplicable secrets of the 
Island. 
> Stars: Kyle MacLachlan, Gabrielle Anwar, Omar Gooding, Patrick 
Stewart
> and Vinnie Jones 
>  
> "Supernova"
> A scientific possibility becomes a terrifying reality when the most
> powerful force in the universe threatens to hurtle home. Nobel
> Prize-winning scientist Dr. Austin Shepard suddenly disappears from 
his
> observatory at the Space Propulsion Labs leaving shocking data 
behind
> for Dr. Christopher Richardson. Seasoned news reporter Laurie
> Stephenson, who has been looking for answers to bizarre sun storm
> activities, gets suspicious when a scheduled interview with Dr. 
Shepard
> is cancelled. National Intelligence Special Agent Lisa Delgado fears
> that Shepard has been selling his classified top-secret Solar Probe
> discoveries and has gone into hiding. The truth is that Shepard has
> retreated to an island paradise because he knows something that 
everyone
> else will soon discover for themselves -- after eons of existence 
as a
> rolling inferno, the sun is set to explode in a supernova that will
> bring about the end of the world in seven short, terrifying days!
> Stars: Luke Perry, Peter Fonda and Tia Carrere 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[scifinoir2] OT -- moral dilemna

[Carole McDonnell]

Try this --no cheating

> >

> >

> > This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. 
By giving an honest answer, you will discover where you stand 
morally. No one else will know, so you wont be fooling anyone but 
yourself if
you give anything but a truthful answer.

> >

> > The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation in 
which you will have to make a decision.

> >

> > Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet spontaneous.

> >

> > Please read slowly and thoughtfully, giving due consideration to 
each line.

> >

> > Here's the situation:

> >

> > You are in Florida; Miami to be specific. There is chaos all 
around you caused by a hurricane with severe flooding. This is a 
flood of biblical proportions. You are a photo journalist working for 
a major newspaper, and you're caught in the middle of this epic 
disaster. The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot 
career-making photos.  There are houses and people swirling around 
you, some disappearing under the water. Nature is unleashing all of 
its destructive fury. Suddenly
you see a man floundering in the water. He is fighting for his life, 
trying not to be taken down with the debris. You move 
closer...somehow the man looks familiar. You suddenly realize who it 
is. It's George W.Bush, President of the United States!!

> >

> > At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to 
take him under... forever. You have two options-you can save the life 
of G.W. Bush, or you can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize winning 
photo, documenting the death of one of the world's most powerful men.

> >

> >

> > So here's the question, and please give an honest answer:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Would you select high contrast color film, or would you go with 
the classic simplicity of black and white?

>




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[scifinoir2] Qunitet -- discovered this film last night, although it's not worth it

[Carole McDonnell]

Hi all:

Imagine my surprise when I flipped through the channels and happened 
upon a Paul Nweman apocalyptic SF futuristic film. Who know? I sat down 
to watch it. Oh my gosh! I kept turning to my husband and saying, "I 
don't understand a thing that's going on."  Seems I am not alone.


http://efilmcritic.com/review.php?movie=6444&reviewer=327


Sometimes these found "films" are not treasures. Anyway, if you're in 
the mood to see a weird Altman film, look out for Quintet on some cable 
channel somewhere.

-C




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[scifinoir2] 'Racist' police blocked bridge and forced evacuees back at gunpoint

[Carole McDonnell]

Saw this on CNN last night

 'Racist' police blocked bridge and forced evacuees back at gunpoint
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington 
Published: 11 September 2005 

A Louisiana police chief has admitted that he ordered his officers to 
block a bridge over the Mississippi river and force escaping evacuees 
back into the chaos and danger of New Orleans. Witnesses said the 
officers fired their guns above the heads of the terrified people to 
drive them back and "protect" their own suburbs. 

Two paramedics who were attending a conference in the city and then 
stayed to help those affected by the hurricane, said the officers 
told them they did not want their community "becoming another New 
Orleans".

The desperate evacuees were forced to trudge back into the city they 
had just left. "It was a real eye-opener," Larry Bradshaw, 49, a 
paramedic from San Francisco, told The Independent on Sunday. "I 
believe it was racism. It was callousness, it was cruelty."

Mr Bradshaw said the police blocked off the road on the Thursday and 
Friday after Hurricane Katrina struck on Monday 29 August. He and his 
wife Lorrie Slonsky, also a paramedic, had sheltered with others in 
the Hotel Monteleone in the French Quarter.

When food and water ran out they were forced to head for the city's 
convention centre, but on the way they heard reports of the chaos and 
violence that was taking place there and inside the Superdome where 
thousands of people were forced together without running water, 
toilets, electricity or air conditioning. So Mr Bradshaw spoke with a 
senior New Orleans police officer who instructed them to cross the 
Crescent City Connection bridge to Jefferson Parish, where he 
promised they would find buses waiting to evacuate them.

They were in the middle of a group of up to 800 people - 
overwhelmingly black - walking across the bridge when they heard 
shots and saw people running. "We had been hearing shooting for days. 
What was different about this was that it was close by," he said.

Making their way towards the crest of the bridge they saw a chain of 
armed police officers blocking the route. When they asked about the 
buses they were told their was no such arrangement and that the route 
was being blocked to avoid their parish becoming "another New 
Orleans". They identified the police as officers from the city of 
Gretna.

The following day Mr Bradshaw said they tried again to cross and 
directly witnessed police shooting over the heads of a middle-aged 
white couple who were also turned back. Eventually, late on Friday 
evening, the couple succeeded in crossing the bridge with the 
intervention of a contact in the local fire department.

Arthur Lawson, chief of the Gretna police department, said he had not 
yet questioned his officers as to whether they fired their guns.

He confirmed that his officers, along with those from Jefferson 
Parish and the Crescent City Connection police force, sealed the 
bridge and refused to let people pass. This was despite the fact that 
local media were informing people that the bridge was one of the few 
safe evacuation routes from the city.

Gretna is a predominantly white suburban town of around 18,000 
inhabitants. In the aftermath of Katrina, three quarters of the 
inhabitants still had electricity and running water. But, Chief 
Lawson told UPI news agency: "There was no food, water or shelter in 
Gretna City. We did not have the wherewithal to deal with these 
people. If we had opened the bridge our city would have looked like 
New Orleans does now - looted, burned and pillaged."

Mr Bradshaw and his wife were evacuated to Texas and have since 
returned to California. They condemned the authorities, adding: "This 
official treatment was in sharp contrast to the warm, heartfelt 
reception given to us by ordinary Texans.

"Throughout, the official relief effort was callous, inept and 
racist... Lives were lost that did not need to be lost." 

A Louisiana police chief has admitted that he ordered his officers to 
block a bridge over the Mississippi river and force escaping evacuees 
back into the chaos and danger of New Orleans. Witnesses said the 
officers fired their guns above the heads of the terrified people to 
drive them back and "protect" their own suburbs. 

Two paramedics who were attending a conference in the city and then 
stayed to help those affected by the hurricane, said the officers 
told them they did not want their community "becoming another New 
Orleans".

The desperate evacuees were forced to trudge back into the city they 
had just left. "It was a real eye-opener," Larry Bradshaw, 49, a 
paramedic from San Francisco, told The Independent on Sunday. "I 
believe it was racism. It was callousness, it was cruelty."

Mr Bradshaw said the police blocked off the road on the Thursday and 
Friday after Hurricane Katrina struck on Monday 29 August. He and his 
wife Lorrie Slonsky, also a paramedic, had sheltered with others in 
the Hotel Monteleone in

[scifinoir2] Re: WSJ: New Orl. Elites Say "Let's Rebuild without the BLACKS"

[Carole McDonnell]

This kinda reminds me of what happened in the wake of the Depression. 
So many blacks helped to "pioneer" the west and before the Depression, 
places like Montana, Wyoming etc had many small black ranches. But then 
the depression came. The small ranchers -- including many of the black 
ones-- lost out. And now history and geography make many of the western 
states synonymous with whites -C 

> 
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> >  Here below is a rare *smoking gun* -- New Orleans elites already
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[scifinoir2] The power of a phrase

[Carole McDonnell]

Hi all:

As wriers we all know the power of a truly dismissive frams. Especially 
if it conveys a neat symbolic image or if it rhymes.

Remember the phrase "the race card"? Although I doubt anyone ever used 
phrases such as the "Holocaust Card." Jewish folks wouldn't let them 
get away with something like that. But we let the political 
conservatives get away with that phrase "the race card." 

Enter new phrase: the blame game. 

And yes, it rhymes! I swear if I hear one more conservative using this 
phrase as if it should stop everyone in their tracks...I'll scream. 

-C




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[scifinoir2] Re: King Leopold's Ghost

[Carole McDonnell]

Thanks, Rave!

-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelly Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> "The Race to Fashoda: Colonialism and African Resistance" by 
African-
> American scholar David Levering Lewis is an excellent, extremely 
well-
> written and researched text about the same subject.  
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > HISTORY_King  Leopold's Ghost_ 
> > (http://sublit.com/ad/func/ct.php?
> 
mail_list_id=22&job_id=465325&subscriber_id=247296&listing_id=LISTING_
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[scifinoir2] Raised eyebrow department

[Carole McDonnell]

Lord knows what this woman meant. Am gonna try to give her the 
benefit of the doubt. Sometimes one is stupid but not really unkind. -
C


Barbara Bush, who accompanied the former presidents on a tour of the 
Astrodome complex Monday, said the relocation to Houston is "working 
very well" for some of the poor people forced out of New Orleans.

"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay 
in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality," she said 
during a radio interview with the American Public Media 
program "Marketplace." "And so many of the people in the arena here, 
you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well 
for them."

Her comments came as the two former presidents visited with hundreds 
of the 23,600 hurricane refugees and announced the creation of the 
Bush-Clinton Katrina Fund.

"We're most anxious to roll up our sleeves and get to work," George 
H.W. Bush said. "It will take all of us working together to 
accomplish our goal. This job is too big for any one group."


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[scifinoir2] Re: Whats up with the term Refugee????

[Carole McDonnell]

Wow! Interesting article.  Scary article. 

Anyone getting nervous about those Green Berets walking through the 
streets?

So annoying. Makes us remember that the old stereotype about 
the "emotional," "unpredictable" black person is alive and well.  

-C


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "hesychastic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I too believe that there are better descriptions to use 
> > than "refugees." Why do I believe this way?
> 
> They were refugees before Katrina, 
> 
> http://www.visioncircle.org/archive/004577.html
> 
> now they're more accurately termed detainees..., 
>





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[scifinoir2] International newscasts

[Carole McDonnell]

Last night I was watching Le Journal, a french newscast. (Hey I still 
like working on my high school french.)

They've been reporting on Katrina.

In last night's news, they had about five different features. The two I 
found most interesting were A) a report on the rise in the sale of guns 
in Baton Rouge. Seems folks are prepared just in case the refugees get 
antsy.  Gun sales at one shop rose from 15 sales a day to 1000. The 
second was film taken by a French National, a tourist who was stuck in 
the superdome. He befriended a black American named Skye. Anyways, his 
vacation film shows the national guard arriving...helping the white 
families first, flirting with the white girls.

Am sure the french is eating this up. Stuff we Americans would never 
see.

-C




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[scifinoir2] Re: Fw: Has Katrina saved US media?

[Carole McDonnell]

Wow, does Matt speak the truth! I've never liked Shepard Smith. 
Always thought he was a smug arrogant little snit. But the man proved 
himself to me. The only one -- mind you-- on FOX News that did. The 
Fox anchor people simply turned my stomach with their lame attempts 
to explain away the president's silliness. Bush kept using war talk 
and patriotic spin about how resourceful and strong the American 
people are. "The American people have suffered before. It's a tough 
job, an overwhelming challenge, but we are a resilient 
people...yadda, yadda, yadda." And Shep (Yeah, first name basis now) 
simply reported the news as it was...and those smug little anchorites 
had to swallow hard.

So now...both Anderson Cooper of CNN, Shepard Smith  of Fox News and 
EVERYONE (especially Allison Stewart) on MSNBC are my new newsheroes.



-C


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Amy Harlib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> This is excellent commentary.  It amazes me that even after all 
that has
> happened with Hurricane Katrina - some folks remain so blind to 
reality, as
> evidenced in some of the responses below and in Newsweek polls.
> Outraged Amy
> 
> 
> > By Matt Wells
> > BBC News, Los Angeles
>
> >
> > But with the sick and the dying forced to sit in their own 
excrement
> behind
> > him in New Orleans, its early-evening anchor Shepard Smith 
declared civil
> > war against the studio-driven notion that the biggest problem was 
still
> > stopping the looters.
> >
>





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[scifinoir2] Re: Feds Prevent States From Sending Troops to New Orleans

[Carole McDonnell]

What gets me, though, is that in spite of all evidence to the 
contrary, all the government officials keep saying that the response 
is adequate because we have enough national guards. It's like being 
told not to believe what your mind is telling you is so clear. I 
mean...today they only have 60 or so helicopters out there taking 
people off roofs.  Repeat: 60 or so helicopters Is it me or if 
there are people locked up in attics, amputees stuck in houses, nuns 
in retirement homes, people in hospices, pregnant women -- not to 
mention able-bodied people, ALL STARVING AND DEHYDRATING-- shouldn't 
we have way more helicopters and national guard folks out there 
knocking down doors and pulling up roofs? Yes, they're evacuating the 
dome and the shelters...but they don't have a lotta people out there 
searching for houses. But they say a big communal lie to our face and 
we're expected to say "oh yes! The war hasn't destroyed our 
resources." I just hate bold-faced lies spoken to me as if I'm an 
idiot. -C 


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It is only going to get worse as the confirmation hearings for 
Roberts
> begin.  And, of course, Bush and Co. will also be committing their 
full
> attention towards replacing Rehnquist and starting a war with Iran.
> 
> And the current cycle of hurricanes (not just this season) will 
only get
> worse.
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[scifinoir2] Re: Feds Prevent States From Sending Troops to New Orleans

[Carole McDonnell]

Of course! This is the kind of thing that happens when you put FEMA 
in the defense department. For heavens sake! I even heard on the news 
that a couple of years ago President Bush wanted to privatize FEMA.

This entire thing is so annoying. Considering they researched this 
scenario a couple of years ago and even then figured out that 25% of 
the people couldn't be evacuated. What's the use of researching worst 
case scenarios if they don't put their findings into place?

-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella \(formerly 
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> http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5253757,00.html
> 
> Congress Likely to Probe Guard Response
> 
> 
> President Bush was asked that question Friday as he toured the
> hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast area and said he disagrees with 
criticism the
> military is stretched too thin.
> 
> ``We've got a job to defend this country in the war on terror, and 
we've got
> a job to bring aid and comfort to the people of the Gulf Coast, and 
we'll do
> both,'' he said.
> 





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[scifinoir2] Re: watch how the news reports what's happening in louisiana and mis

[Carole McDonnell]

Oops... correction. MEANT 


> 
> They tend TO play down the "looting" 


When they show it, they do a great job at convincing the viewer that 
it's about survival. Or they follow it with a spot on starving people. 
Great job at journalistic manipulation...for the good of a suffering 
group of people. 
-C




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[scifinoir2] Re: watch how the news reports what's happening in louisiana and mis

[Carole McDonnell]

I've been watching coverage of this Katrina thing and being just weepy 
about all the suffering. And I've got to say the folks at MSNBC are 
being pretty enlightened about everything.

Honestly.

They tend not to play down the "looting" and call it people aiming for 
survival. There was a shot of tons of folks mostly black stealing stuff 
from one walmart or some place. Wouldn't you know the MSNBC folks went 
had interviews with a white woman who had a stupid excuse for stealing? 
Then they went over to some black folks with babies in their hands and 
diapers. 

Am not saying they're super-perfect people but they seem to be aware of 
the dangers of racism. 

In addition, they've been showing Tony Zumbado's (I think he's 
Hispanic) film almost all morning -- of people in the convention 
center, people dying everywhere, dying babies, corpses covered up in 
chairs. And they  gave Tony a VERY long time to talk about how the 
people all went to the convention center because that's what the mayor 
told them to do. The people are not looting, are being well-behaved, 
and yet the National Guard has not only stopped buses from coming in 
and getting the people but has totally abandoned the people who haven't 
eaten for four days. He also said that there is just some stupid urban 
myth out there about people not behaving and the National Guard is 
being pretty irresponsible. 

I mean it was VERY powerful. Basically, Zumbado and Harry Connick Jr 
are the only people there, calling government officials hysterically to 
try to feed and give water to the suffering people in the Convention 
Center. MSNBC cut out some of the more graphic parts of his film but 
believe me most of the piece was really powerful. 

So yes, there's racism out there but some of the news world has a great 
deal of nobility and are well aware of their duty to challenge not only 
the myth of evil black looters but "caring" organized government.


-C



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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/firewall/38725768/
> 
> Yes, sad. I saw the same comparison posted to Wonkette.
> 
> 
> Brent





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[scifinoir2] Re: O.T.:Princely Daddy, don't you walk so fast (Prince Albert's African love child)

[Carole McDonnell]

True. From what I read, Rainier knew his son's (shall we 
say) "proclivities" for dalliance and knew many little illegitimate 
children would be popping up. Heck, Prince Charles might have some 
little "natural" children floating around. Anyway, Rainier made it law 
that only children conceived in lawful marriage could inherit. 
Therefore the illegitimate children of all three of his kids (I think 
Princess Caroline has a couple of kids who were born out of wedlock) 
can't inherit the title either. But they too can inherit money.

-C 


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wrote:
> My favorite part of the article is the following exchange:
> 
> A statement from the prince's lawyer notes that the child, Eric
> > Alexandre Stephane (known as Alexandre) will "have the same
> > inheritance rights as other children of the prince, should he have
> > other children."
> 
> EXCEPT
> 
> > he won't have the Grimaldi name, won't be in line for the throne and
> > won't be a prince - which, aside from the money, is probably the
> > coolest part of being the son of a prince.
> 





 
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[scifinoir2] Re: O.T.:Princely Daddy, don't you walk so fast (Prince Albert's African love child)

[Carole McDonnell]

Oh, I love it! Next stop, the Dutch royal family. After that the 
Spanish royal family. After that the Princes of Spade, Diamonds, 
Hearts, and Clubs. And then FINALLY, the epitome, the English royal 
family. Prince William, we black women will get you yet. -C



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelly Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> http://www.jsonline.com/enter/gen/jul05/339128.asp
> 
> Princely Daddy, don't you walk so fast 
> 
> By JAN UEBELHERR
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Last Updated: July 7, 2005
> 
> Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse than Princess
> Stephanie marrying a circus acrobat or Princess Caroline losing all
> her hair for unknown reasons comes word that Prince Albert of Monaco
> has been a busy bachelor. He has not just been sitting around posing
> for paintings while his sisters kick up their heels.
> 
> Yow! It's a safe bet that he does indeed look back with dismay at 
all
> the chatter about him fathering a son, now nearly 2, with an Air
> France flight attendant from Togo. (That's right, Togo.)
> 
> Paris Match ran photos of the prince cuddling a baby boy with curly
> hair. Albert won an invasion of privacy suit. The magazine is 
appealing.
> 
> Well, it turns out it's all true, the child is his - but that's 
about
> all you'll get from the palace in sunny Monaco. One news report has 
it
> that Albert always intended to accept his responsibilities but
> regretted that news of the child's existence broke just days after 
the
> death on April 6 of his father, Prince Rainier III.
> 
> In another regrettable display of timing, a statement from the 
prince
> on Thursday came one day after the official mourning period for
> Rainier ended and just five days before Albert's coronation, 
according
> to Hello Magazine.
> 
> A statement from the prince's lawyer notes that the child, Eric
> Alexandre Stephane (known as Alexandre) will "have the same
> inheritance rights as other children of the prince, should he have
> other children."
> 
> Notable exceptions to his standing in the Grimaldi clan include that
> he won't have the Grimaldi name, won't be in line for the throne and
> won't be a prince - which, aside from the money, is probably the
> coolest part of being the son of a prince.
> 
> The child's mother, Nicole Coste, told Paris Match that she had come
> forward so that her son "can grow up like a normal child with a 
father."
> 
> Yeah, that'll happen.




 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Mexican Stamps Racist, Civil Rights Leaders Say

[Carole McDonnell]

It's possible Speedy and the tacobell chihuaha weren't offensive to 
Mexicans but to Mexicans in the US. I think offense is one of those 
things that is learned sometimes.  One has to be enlightened about 
certain subtle racist issues or else one just thinks it's funny. Some 
black folks thought the show "in living color" was funny. I thought 
it was racist and black self-loathing turned on itself for all the 
white world to see. But someone would have to enlighten the Wayans 
brothers, Chappelle, and those who like that kind of humor that 
laughing at stereotypes might really be racist.

I remember someone living in Japan who saw something that many 
Japanese-Americans would be annoyed with. But the Japanese in Japan 
didn't even "catch" the racism.

-C


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> Speedy Gonzalez isn't a source of irritation for Mexicans? I'm 
surprised
> about that. I wonder, if America issued a stamp showing a dark-
skinned,
> big-toothed, big nosed character with a drooping mustache and a
> wide-brimmed hate, would that be offensive? That depiction of 
Mexicans
> was very common in years past, and is analagous to this Black 
stamp.  I
> wonder if the Frito Bandito would likewise be acceptable. For those 
too
> young to remember, that was a popular commercial--at least in
> Texas--back in the ''70s. It featured a stereotyped-looking Mexican
> singing a song with such progressive lines as Ayiee, yie-yie-
yi, I
> am dee Frito Bandito. http://64.41.109.149/school/bandito.html
>  
> I mention that not to perpetuate stereotypes, nor to sink to the 
level
> of their postal officials, but to make a point. If you don't like it
> done to you, understand how others may feel. And that applies to 
those
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[scifinoir2] Holiday honoring native americans

[Carole McDonnell]

Hello Friends! Please take a moment to visit this
website and sign a petition to make a holiday
honoring Native Americans! It only takes a moment
and you will feel glad that you did so! Share
this important petition with your friends and
family so together we can celebrate the
indigenous people of this land! It's about time!
Thank you so much!

http://www.petitiononline.com/indian/petition.html

-C




 
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[scifinoir2] Re: War of the Worlds-Has Cruise's Meltdown Affected Whether You Will Go See It

[Carole McDonnell]

As the daughter of folks in the medical profession, I get extremely 
worried when the world gives ONE answer to any problem.

So now that world has convinced us that the ONE answer to ADD is 
ritalin, we feel we can rest and not look for any other cures.

Kinda like the laxatives help constipation, or the pain-killer helps 
headaches, or the midol helps cramps fix-alls. It just gets me 
worried, that's all. There are so many environmental, dietary, 
nutritional reasons for problems and when the people of a country are 
told that the ONLY way to fix something is to use this ONE remedy, 
I'm sorry but I get nervous. 

Do you know which company sends all those videos to schools about 
ADD? Ciba-Geigy? Yep, the makers of ritalin.

Ritalin helps quite a few kids but a drug given primarily (not 
solely, but primarily) to make a kid do well at school --a drug with 
some kooky side effects and which statistics show most doctors don't 
give their own ADD kids...a drug which fights all 
competitorswell, call me cynical but I'm not gonna take it. I 
don't trust actors to tell me what not to give to my kids. But at the 
same time, I don't much trust the AMA either. My doctor friends don't 
even trust the AMA. 


Remember that the drug companies have to pay the FDA to fund tests on 
their drugs. That means the FDA gets a lot of money from drug 
companies. Remember that 100, 000 people a year die from bad drug 
interaction. (only 10,000 for herbs and vitamins administered by 
folks treating themselves) Remember that the third largest cause of 
death in America is related to prescription drugs. Remember that the 
government doesn't do drug tests on kids so the percentage of a drug 
recommended for children is figured from adult dosages.  So we can 
never be sure what a drug is doing to a kid. At the risk of sounding 
like Tom Cruise, I'll stop my medicine comment.  

-C


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have followed this discussion a little bit and the Tom Cruise
> chemicals are bad freakout a little bit and I have to wonder a 
couple
> of things. First, Where did Tom Cruise get his medical degree?
> Second,  are there really people who make medical and health
> decisions on the basis of the opinion of an actor? Yep Im a giggling
> both at Tom Cruise and the bevy of reactionaries who are calling him
> dangerous.
> 
> For the record, I used antidepressants because I had various
> seratonin issues related to other body chemistry issues. It worked
> great. I got better and now I dont need them anymore. Had I not had
> them, I probably would not be here today. I also had a roommate who
> had a kid who needed ritalin. Without it he was dysfunctional in the
> extreme. With it he could actually go to school and function with 
the
> "normal" kids. he was miserable without it and well happy with it.
> Yep, for the record Tom Cruise is a moron.
> 
> Bosco 
> 
> --- Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Well I use ritalin and the stuff keeps me straight, so I guess I'm
> > not qualified to comment...
> > 
> > Carole McDonnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Call me odd but Tom
> > Cruise has always left me cold. It's not the 
> > scientology thing. After all John Travolta is a scientologist and 
I
> > 
> > like him a lot. The man just doesn't seem to let his soul come 
> > through. I honestly don't know his personality.
> > 
> > As for his crazy behavior-- at last I'm beginning to see 
something 
> > about him that interests me. Not the Oprah couch-jumping but the 
> > three (so far) times he told off media people in the past weeks. 
> > His 
> > anger over Matt Lauer's ritalin comment certainly surprised me. 
And
> > 
> > since I don't trust ritalin either, it made me like Tom a bit.
> > 
> > As for War of the Worlds, I would probably have seen it if Tom
> > wasn't 
> > in it. There are a few people whose movies I never see: Tom 
Cruise 
> > and Robin Williams being two of them.
> > 
> > Now if James Spader, Sam L Jackson were in it, then I might cross
> > the 
> > theater threshhold. -C 
> > 
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[scifinoir2] Re: War of the Worlds-Has Cruise's Meltdown Affected Whether You Will Go See It

[Carole McDonnell]

Call me odd but Tom Cruise has always left me cold. It's not the 
scientology thing. After all John Travolta is a scientologist and I 
like him a lot. The man just doesn't seem to let his soul come 
through. I honestly don't know his personality.

As for his crazy behavior-- at last I'm beginning to see something 
about him that interests me. Not the Oprah couch-jumping but the 
three (so far) times he told off media people in the past weeks.  His 
anger over Matt Lauer's ritalin comment certainly surprised me. And 
since I don't trust ritalin either, it made me like Tom a bit.

As for War of the Worlds, I would probably have seen it if Tom wasn't 
in it. There are a few people whose movies I never see: Tom Cruise 
and Robin Williams being two of them.

Now if James Spader, Sam L Jackson were in it, then I might cross the 
theater threshhold. -C 



> I was going to see Cruise in War of the World anyway.  But were you?
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> you now?  Has his crazy behavior impacted whether you will go see 
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[scifinoir2] Black holocaust museum

[Carole McDonnell]

http://www.exodusnews.com/HISTORY/History008.htm





 
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[scifinoir2] Re: What are Good Fantasy Books for Black Youth to Read

[Carole McDonnell]

A vote for Octavia Butler's Kindred. It's about slavery. "knowing about 
slavery as history" and actually being involved in it. It's also close 
to home...in our time, about our issues. And it has a nice paradox. The 
heroine ends up back in time and must save the life of her racist white 
ancestor. Definitely a great book.  For kids 13 or older.

Ursula K LeGuin's The Lathe of Heaven is fun. A kid of 13 or older 
would like it.

Steven Barnes' Lion's Blood is a biggie, although I've never finished 
it. We're discussing it now on the sister list. It's a long book so if 
a kid likes entering a world and staying in that world long that would 
definitely work.  For good teen readers.

The chronicles of Narnia is good. It's Christian. And since the movie's 
coming out soon reading the books will give any kid a leg up on wht the 
movie's about. Only problem is that the kids speak so darn preciously 
sometimes...in that English way.

Anything by Lloyd Hamilton is good too.  And TH White.

This is a good site. Scroll down to the youth young adult section. 
It'll lead you to the first of ten pages. But you don't have to stay in 
the Young adult section.

http://www.scifan.com/themes/

The NYU medical database is a good resource to look at. I love the 
site. This is the url for the genre search. Go there and scroll down to 
novel for young adults and short stories for young adults.
http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/lit-med/lit-med-db/genrelist.html

Hope that helps.
-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Amanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to find fantasy books that black youth could read.  They 
> don't have to be by or about African Americans, but I would like to 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Grandfather kills leopard with his hands

[Carole McDonnell]

Wow!  WOW!


This reminds me of a news story from India some years back, the story 
of the woman who saw a cobra advancing towards her little daughter. 
She raced toward her daughter. But it was too late. The little 
toddler had bitten the cobra's head off.



-C 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella \(formerly 
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> Grandfather kills leopard with his hands Wed Jun 22,11:42 AM ET
> 
> A 73-year-old Kenyan grandfather reached into the mouth of an 
attacking
> leopard and tore out its tongue to kill it, authorities said 
Wednesday.
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[scifinoir2] Re: AFI list of top 100 quotes from U.S. movies

[Carole McDonnell]

::Chuckling. Wow, there's a slip. Blonde white symbols of America 
both. No wonder my mind mixed them up. It was the Rifleman: Chuck 
Connors.

-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Um...Chuck Norris of Chuck Connors? LOL
> 
> Carole McDonnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I just saw Soylent Green 
again last night. What a great movie! And the 
> opening credits are so good. In addition to the overpopulation 
> statement, it did a good job of showing that racism would be 
destroyed. 
> Note Chuck Norris' black girlfriend and every third character being 
> black. 
> 
> The funny thing is how 60's it all was. The hairstyle and clothes. 
> Kinda like 2001: a space oddessy. Which effectively put the 60's 
> fashion into 2001. And Star Trek -- the series-- too. The future 
always 
> shows the past it's rooted in.
> 
> -C
> 
> 
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> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Brent Wodehouse" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.voy.com/178771/51411.html
> > 
> > AFI list of top 100 quotes from U.S. movies
> > 
> > 77. "Soylent Green is people!", "Soylent Green," 1973.
> > 
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8304725/
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[scifinoir2] Re: AFI list of top 100 quotes from U.S. movies

[Carole McDonnell]

I just saw Soylent Green again last night. What a great movie! And the 
opening credits are so good. In addition to the overpopulation 
statement, it did a good job of showing that racism would be destroyed. 
Note Chuck Norris' black girlfriend and every third character being 
black. 

The funny thing is how 60's it all was. The hairstyle and clothes. 
Kinda like 2001: a space oddessy. Which effectively put the 60's 
fashion into 2001. And Star Trek -- the series-- too. The future always 
shows the past it's rooted in.

-C



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> AFI list of top 100 quotes from U.S. movies
> 
> 77. "Soylent Green is people!", "Soylent Green," 1973.
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[scifinoir2] Re: Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century

[Carole McDonnell]

So true! The way I figure it ideas are only dangerous if smart people 
can't come up with a way to combat them. It's one thing for someone 
to protect her own mind from an idea. Older people know what they 
like or believe in. And it's another to protect children from ideas. 
Young kids don't have insight, knowledge and wisdom to see through 
some stuff. Witness Dorian Gray and Lord Henry's effect on him. (And 
every time I read that book I keep thinking 'there's an answer to 
Lord Henry; I just know.' But there's a point where we have to stop 
being so paternalistic and to trust people's insights.  And if folks 
aren't smart enough to see through crap, that's democracy.

-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Take a look at panel that made the list. It includes Phyllis
> Schlafley. Any panel that includes her in any capacity is seriously
> suspicious to begin with. Secondly, this is just a retooling of the
> ridiculous thought that ideas can be dangerous. It's the same 
thought
> process that leads books to banning. Interestingly they left off the
> Turner Diaries which were inspirational in the formation of Aryan
> Nations and the OKC Bombing. Shockingly a "think tank" of rich white
> conservatives dont find overt racism particularly dangerous in light
> of the terrors of sexuality and communism.
> 
> Bosco
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >  
> > Ten most harmful books of the 19th and 20th century.  (I 
sincerely 
> > wonder)
> > _http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=7591_ 
> > (http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=7591) ,
> > 
> > For the life of me I don't know why Silent Spring should be
> > considered one  
> > of the most harmful books. Conservatism is one thing but really! I
> > haven't read 
> >  Ralph Nader's book either. I'm a Christian but I suspect some of
> > these books 
> > are  on this list because American business is challenged.  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Carole McDonnell
> > www.geocities.com/scifiwritir/OreoBlues.html
> > So Long Been Dreaming - Arsenal Pulp Press.  www.arsenalpulp.com
> > Fantastic Visions III - Fantasist Enterprises. 
> > www.fantasistent.com
> > Easy Way to Write Bible Studies -- 
> > easywaytowrite.com/bible_studies.html
> > Then an angel came along - Pleasant  Word Books
> > Life Spices from Seasoned Sistahs -  
www.nubianimagespublishing.com
> > Jigsaw Nation -- Wildside  Press
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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> I'm gonna tell ya something that I've often said.
> 
> You know these things that happen,
> That's just the way it's supposed to be.
> And I can't help but wonder,
> Don't ya know it coulda been me.
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[scifinoir2] Re: Bollywood 'Oscars' Honour Hasselhoff

[Carole McDonnell]

Smiled when I saw this. Am not a great Hasselhoff fan myself but he 
has an interesting kind of fame. And really, who knows what kind of 
fame we all might have? Hasselholff is arguably one of the biggest 
most famous international American stars. And musician. He's always 
having some big hit in Germany or wherever. Am not sure what kinda 
fame I'll have. Small little group of high-brow devotees -- akin to 
those who watch only art films. A creative or spiritual ghetto where 
only people of a certain race or spirituality read me?

Heck I've heard people pick on this guy but it seems Hasselholf 
transcends. And what is that saying about a prophet not being 
accepted in his own country? (not that he's a prophet, mind you...but 
why should we judge fame and art by American standards? If the 
French, or the East Indians or the Germans or the Japanese see 
something in someone we don't much acknowledge, should we think 
they're wrong? After all, the US isn't the last word on creative 
approval.

-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "keop6" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,12078-4338531-52_12252_true,00.html
> 
> 02/05/2005 07:41 AM
> Claudia Parsons
> India's movie industry has handed out its version of the Oscars at 
> the Bollywood Movie Awards, which saw a veteran director take top 
> honours and a US actor best known for Baywatch named international 
> star of the year. 
> 
> Dancers in shimmering costumes, Indian beauties in saris and sultry 
> heartthrobs sporting long black coats crowded the Taj Mahal for the 
> occasion. 
> 
> The Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, that is. The 
event 
> was held in the US East Coast gambling resort as part of 
Bollywood's 
> bid to be a global force in cinema. 
> 
> It was a fitting backdrop for a show that mixed the glitz of a 
major 
> movie industry with the retro feel of variety-show dance numbers, 
the 
> likes of which were long ago excised from the Oscars. 
> 
> An audience composed largely of Americans of Indian origin cheered 
as 
> veteran Yash Chopra was named best director for his film Veer-
Zaara, 
> which also picked up the award for best film and best actor for its 
> star Shahrukh Khan. 
> 
> Rani Mukherjee, one of the few major divas to take the stage, won 
the 
> best actress award for her role in Hum Tum. 
> 
> "The winner is the "Spielberg" of India ... Yash Chopra," said 
former 
> Baywatch star David Hasselhoff as he presented the award for best 
> film, referring to star US director Steven Spielberg. 
> 
> Bollywood has a reputation for colorful kitsch - melodramatic 
plots, 
> young lovers battling cruel fate, wicked villains and sentimental, 
> but chaste, song-and-dance routines. 
> 
> "Whether it's comedy or romance or action, films should touch your 
> heart," Chopra said, explaining the appeal of his films and the 
> genre, which despite efforts to expand its audience has so far made 
> few inroads into the US market. 
> 
> Big Cheers For Baywatch Star 
> 
> Though an array of stars including former Miss India Lara Dutta 
> entertained the crowd, Hasselhoff provoked some of the night's 
> biggest cheers when he picked up his statuette. 
> 
> The Bollywood awards - which resemble a slim-line Oscar holding 
what 
> could be a torch or a bunch of flowers - are chosen according to a 
> popular vote by fans. 
> 
> Baywatch and Knight Rider, in which Hasselhoff co-starred with a 
car 
> named Kit, may raise sniggers from highbrow critics at home but 
they 
> are still going strong in India, and the actor said he had much in 
> common with the escapism of Bollywood. 
> 
> "I'm proud of shows like Baywatch and Knight Rider because it's 
about 
> saving lives, not taking lives," he told Reuters. 
> 
> "It's entertainment, it's tongue in cheek, it brings the world 
> together," he said, adding that the entertainment industry was a 
> powerful force for good in the world. 
> 
> "I think it's responsible for a lot of world peace," Hasselhoff 
said, 
> adding that he was hoping to work in India soon on a project based 
on 
> a series of romantic novels. 
> 
> "I never knew exactly how to get there. Now I've got this (award) 
> it's like my key to India," he said. 
> 
> Bollywood churns out around 1,000 movies a year. But despite a fan 
> base that extends to the Middle East and Europe, few films make 
> money. 
> 
> But Shammi Kapoor, who was given a lifetime achievement award, said 
> better technology and funding were leading to more and more better 
> films. "They're getting to be more topical," he added. "They aren't 
> the happy happy movies of yesteryear. 
> 
> Bollywood still has comic heroes and dastardly villains, however, 
and 
> the awards paid tribute to both. Aftab Shivdasani turned up to 
claim 
> his prize for best comedian, but the villain of the year, Abhishek 
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[scifinoir2] Re: SciFiNoir Needs Your Favorite Quotes

[Carole McDonnell]

Klaatu Barata Nictu. -C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "g123curious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > I am compiling quotes for a quote generator that we are 
installing 
> > on the planned portal.  Could you guys submit some of your
> favorites?
> >  
> > They can be from any type of speculative fiction genre or media
> type.
> >  
> > Post them to the list or send to the email listed below.
> 
> Wow! I almost forgot these quotes, from back in the day when a sci-
fi 
> film had a message and not just special effects:
> 
> "Your choice is simple. Join us and live in peace or pursue your 
> present course and face obliteration. We shall be waiting for your 
> answer. The decision rests with you."
>  -- Klaatu (Michael Rennie, The Day the Earth Stood Still, 1951)
> 
> "I came here to give you these facts. It is no concern of ours how
> you 
> run your own planet. But if you threaten to extend your violence 
> [beyond Earth], this Earth of yours will be reduced to a burned-out 
> cinder."
>  -- Klaatu (Michael Rennie, The Day the Earth Stood Still, 1951)
> 
> "There must be security for all, or no one is secure. This does not 
> mean giving up any freedom, except the freedom to act 
irresponsibly. 
>  -- Klaatu (Michael Rennie, The Day the Earth Stood Still, 1951)
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: SciFiNoir Needs Your Favorite Quotes

[Carole McDonnell]

That's a good one. Most of my favorite quotes are non-scifi too so I 
really had to shake the cobwebs from my brain to think of the 
fantasy/spec-fic related ones.

Plus I really really wanted to include some of the non-scifi ones so 
had to restrain myself.

Am still wondering if I should have included

"True, nervous, very very dreadfully nervous I had been and am. But 
why will you say that I am mad?" Tell-tale heart. Yeah it's more 
psychological horror and much more powerful than Annabelle Lee's "In 
a kingdom by the sea" but is it really spec-fic?

Tracey, are we allowed to include psychological horror in our quote 
selections? Those stories such as Henry James' Turn of the Screw or 
Ursula K LeGuin's Texts that have us wondering if someone is cracked 
and nutty or a visionary/prophet?

-C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My favorite quote is totally non-Sci Fi, but meaningful to my life-
course: "I refuse to learn to fail" Dempsey Travis...
> 
> Carole McDonnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Nah, wasn't really 
suggesting that. Was just kinda thinking aloud. 
> Thinking awrite. Writing aloud.  Well you know what I mean. 
> 
>




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[scifinoir2] Re: SciFiNoir Needs Your Favorite Quotes

[Carole McDonnell]

Nah, wasn't really suggesting that. Was just kinda thinking aloud. 
Thinking awrite. Writing aloud.  Well you know what I mean. 

-C
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella \(formerly 
Tracey L. Minor\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hate to be a pain, but If I have to do the research to include the 
quote, I
> will probably not have the time and won't be able to use it.  
Sounds lazy,
> but I am trying to give the site a community feel with user 
contributions
> and I will stand a better chance of getting it done if I get users 
to
> contribute.  I've been putting this off for years.
> 
> If you find the quotes or remember them, I would love to use them.  
In the
> meantime, I love the Forbidden Planet quote and can definitely use 
it.
> 
> Tracey
> 
> -Original Message-
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On
> Behalf Of Carole McDonnell
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:35 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: SciFiNoir Needs Your Favorite Quotes
> 
> 
> 
> At the end of War of the Worlsds--The Martians had been destroyed by
> the smallest creatures that God in his wisdom had chosen to place
> upon the earth. Forgot the specific quote but there was that feel...
> 
> The final words in Forbidden Planet--We are afterall, not God.
> 
> There must be something in 2001, space oddysey
> 
> Will look around.
> -C





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[scifinoir2] Re: SciFiNoir Needs Your Favorite Quotes

[Carole McDonnell]

At the end of War of the Worlsds--The Martians had been destroyed by 
the smallest creatures that God in his wisdom had chosen to place 
upon the earth. Forgot the specific quote but there was that feel...

The final words in Forbidden Planet--We are afterall, not God.

There must be something in 2001, space oddysey

Will look around. 
-C


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella \(formerly 
Tracey L. Minor\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find that religion/spirituality is a strong theme in SciFi.  So 
much so that I decided include a religious section on the site. 
However, since I am focusing on speculative fiction quotes, I will 
likely only use some of the ones that are at least from novels or 
plays.  However, the Incredible Shrinking Man quote is right on 
time.  I'm kind of trying to have all or most of the site content be 
based on the speculative fiction theme.  If you have any religious 
quotes coming from any the specFic genres, i will be extremely 
interested in using them.
> 
> Tracey
>   -Original Message-
>   From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 7:36 PM
>   To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] SciFiNoir Needs Your Favorite Quotes
> 
> 
>   Hi Tracey:
> 
>   Here are my favorite quotes. As you can see  most of them are 
religious... I've always liked the numinous. Guess that's why I got 
into spec-fic...where spirituality and creativity and wonder meet. -C
>




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[scifinoir2] Re: FW: NEWS: Teacher disciplined for pregnancy

[Carole McDonnell]

As if the kids were actually counting the days. Oh well, maybe the 
kids' parents were. -C

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella \(formerly 
Tracey L. Minor\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: GIRLFRIEND [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Apryl N. Paris
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:07 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: NEWS: Teacher disciplined for pregnancy
> 
> 
> http://www.freep.com/news/mich/berrien12e_20050512.htm
> 
> Religious school says she violated policy on premarital sex
> May 12, 2005
> 
> ASSOCIATED PRESS
> 
> BERRIEN SPRINGS -- A kindergarten teacher at a private Christian 
elementary
> school has been placed on paid administrative leave until her 
contract
> expires because she became pregnant before she got married.
> 
> 
> Christine John, a first-year teacher at the Village Seventh-day 
Adventist
> Elementary School in Berrien Springs, said she was asked at a 
meeting with
> school officials last week why she was four months along in her 
pregnancy
> when she had been married just two months earlier.
> 
> 
> John, 24, said school officials told her that premarital sex is an 
act
> strictly forbidden by the school system and the Seventh-day 
Adventist
> religion.
> 
> 
> In the end, she was told her services were no longer necessary.
> 
> 
> Now she's considering legal action.
> 
> 
> "I was very surprised. Shocked," John told the South Bend Tribune.
> 
> 
> "I had no clue what the meeting was about."
> 
> 
> School officials said John was placed on administrative leave until 
her
> contract expires.
> 
> 
> Michael Nickless, communication director for the Michigan 
Conference of
> Seventh-day Adventists, said that under the school's policies, 
unmarried
> teachers who get pregnant can be fired immediately.
> 
> 
> "In our school system, our teachers are expected to be a positive 
spiritual
> example for our congregations and youth," Nickless said in a 
prepared
> statement.
> 
> 
> "When she chose behavior contrary to those values, she was placed on
> administrative leave."
> 
> 
> He added, "Even though policy allows for immediate dismissal, out of
> compassion, her present contract continues to be honored and she 
will
> receive full pay and benefits until the contract expires."
> 
> 
> John said her contract runs through June 8.
> 
> 
> A 2003 graduate of the Seventh-day Adventist Andrews University in 
Berrien
> Springs, John said she hadn't encountered any disciplinary problems 
with her
> job until last week.
> 
> 
> The Stevensville resident said that after she became pregnant, she 
talked to
> the school's principal about taking a maternity leave.
> 
> 
> "I never tried to hide the situation," she said.
> .
> 
> What I find rather odd is that the school is disciplining her AFTER 
she got
> married. She didn't hide that she was pregnant.
> 
> I realize she knew the policy (and since she did, why did she do 
what it
> took to get pregnant I just don't think I'll understand that), 
but they
> let it go as long as they did, why not let her serve out the school 
year and
> just not have her back in the Fall?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Pax,
> 
> Apryl
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