[scifinoir2] Re: Walking dead the series

[angelababycat]

No!  I love horses (used to ride).


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
>
> Well about thatjust wait and see.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "angelababycat"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Looks pretty good.  I'm in!
> > 
> > And it's about time someone decided to use a HORSE in a "post-event" story 
> > line instead of walking everywhere / trying to out-run stuff on foot.
> > 
> > Angela
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > >
> > > You just can't get any better than that... Looks pretty good too.
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And how's that for a perfect roll-out time? [?]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Yup Its coming this Halloween!
> > > >>
> > > >> Here's a clip!
> > > >> http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi717817369/
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody 
> > > > hell
> > > > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Walking dead the series

[angelababycat]

Looks pretty good.  I'm in!

And it's about time someone decided to use a HORSE in a "post-event" story line 
instead of walking everywhere / trying to out-run stuff on foot.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> You just can't get any better than that... Looks pretty good too.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > And how's that for a perfect roll-out time? [?]
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Yup Its coming this Halloween!
> >>
> >> Here's a clip!
> >> http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi717817369/
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Barnes and Noble bites the dust

[angelababycat]

Just FYI, both of those libraries are directly across the street from public 
housing projects.  (There's still a lot of inbalance here--particularly with 
our schools--but if you haven't been to DC recently, you wouldn't recognize 
much.)

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry  
wrote:
>
> I remember the bad old days of the DC Public Library System especially MLK 
> which 
> had a permanent smell of urine for years.Also the woefully underfunded East 
> of 
> the River branches to include the now demolished Benning Rd . 
> 
> There will always be a need for the public library system but the stark 
> contrast 
> between juristictions its jarring.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: angelababycat 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 7:53:15 PM
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Barnes and Noble bites the dust
> 
>   
> I still like paper books too. But even if the book store market falls apart, 
> there will be one last refuge: the public library. 
> 
> 
> After decades of neglect, we have 2 new BEAUTIFUL libraries in walking 
> distance 
> of us in DC. They are busy with people of all walks. The librarians are far 
> more 
> helpful than clerks at a store. They couldn't print a list of top sci-fi 
> books 
> either. But because they're profesionals and perhaps tickled to see a sistah 
> in 
> the psuedo-hood looking for such titles, they gathered around the computer 
> and 
> really tried to help me. Plus, they now have on-line accounts for card 
> holders, 
> so you get reminders when your books are due, when your special orders are 
> in, 
> etc. And my daughter loves picking out as many books as she wants to take 
> home. 
> 
> 
> So maybe the fall of the mega book store will lead to the revitalization of 
> the 
> old fashioned neighborhood library where we can avoid the temptation of $5.00 
> mocha coffee messes, and get our hands on Charles' 1,000 books...for free.
> 
> Angela
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
> >
> > I miss that as well. 
> > 
> > I can't do the e-book thing. Comic books work for me in that format but I 
> > love 
> >the experience of holding and reading a printed book. The Kindle, Nook, 
> >I-pad, 
> >etc. can't seem to replicate it for me.
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> > >
> > > I admit to missing that as well, Charles, sitting around and chatting.
> > > Didn't get to do it often, with the demands of work, though.
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Charles Sheehan-Miles <
> > > charles@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I made the comment to my wife a couple weeks ago that I'd be screwed if 
> > > > we
> > > > had any sort of apocalypse (or lengthy power outage for that matter). 
> After
> > > > three moves in one year (and another one coming up in a few weeks), we 
> > > > got
> > > > tired of lugging around dozens of boxes of books from state to state. 
> After
> > > > the last move, I donated more than a 1000 books to the local library, 
> > > > and
> > > > replaced most of them with ebooks. I carry my library around in my 
> > > > pocket
> > > > now, which is great… but when the battery dies, it really sucks.
> > > >
> > > > I have mixed feelings about Barnes & Noble. I was a regular at Oxford
> > > > Books in Atlanta for many years, met my wife there, got married in the
> > > > coffee shop. Not long after B&N opened up in Buckhead, Oxford started
> > > > careening toward bankruptcy, due to a combination of bad management, too
> > > > much debt, and sudden intense competition from a national chain. B&N 
> killed
> > > > off many many independent bookstores, and now ironically is being 
> > > > killed 
> >off
> > > > by virtual competition. Not entirely sure how I feel about that, because
> > > > I'd give a lot to be able to sit in the coffee shop at Oxford again 
> >chatting
> > > > with the other regulars late into the night.
> > > >
> > > > From: Martin Baxter 
> > > > Reply-To: 
> > > > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:16:31 -0400
> > > > To: 
> > > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Barnes and Noble bites the dust
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "My hunch is that B&N ne

[scifinoir2] Re: Barnes and Noble bites the dust

[angelababycat]

I still like paper books too.  But even if the book store market falls apart, 
there will be one last refuge: the public library. 

After decades of neglect, we have 2 new BEAUTIFUL libraries in walking distance 
of us in DC.  They are busy with people of all walks.  The librarians are far 
more helpful than clerks at a store.  They couldn't print a list of top sci-fi 
books either.  But because they're profesionals and perhaps tickled to see a 
sistah in the psuedo-hood looking for such titles, they gathered around the 
computer and really tried to help me. Plus, they now have on-line accounts for 
card holders, so you get reminders when your books are due, when your special 
orders are in, etc.  And my daughter loves picking out as many books as she 
wants to take home.  

So maybe the fall of the mega book store will lead to the revitalization of the 
old fashioned neighborhood library where we can avoid the temptation of $5.00 
mocha coffee messes, and get our hands on Charles' 1,000 books...for free.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
>
> I miss that as well. 
> 
> I can't do the e-book thing. Comic books work for me in that format but I 
> love the experience of holding and reading a printed book. The Kindle, Nook, 
> I-pad, etc. can't seem to replicate it for me.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> >
> > I admit to missing that as well, Charles, sitting around and chatting.
> > Didn't get to do it often, with the demands of work, though.
> > 
> > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Charles Sheehan-Miles <
> > charles@> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > I made the comment to my wife a couple weeks ago that I'd be screwed if we
> > > had any sort of apocalypse (or lengthy power outage for that matter).  
> > > After
> > > three moves in one year (and another one coming up in a few weeks), we got
> > > tired of lugging around dozens of boxes of books from state to state.  
> > > After
> > > the last move, I donated more than a 1000 books to the local library, and
> > > replaced most of them with ebooks.  I carry my library around in my pocket
> > > now, which is great… but when the battery dies, it really sucks.
> > >
> > > I have mixed feelings about Barnes & Noble.  I was a regular at Oxford
> > > Books in Atlanta for many years, met my wife there, got married in the
> > > coffee shop.  Not long after B&N opened up in Buckhead, Oxford started
> > > careening toward bankruptcy, due to a combination of bad management, too
> > > much debt, and sudden intense competition from a national chain.  B&N 
> > > killed
> > > off many many independent bookstores, and now ironically is being killed 
> > > off
> > > by virtual competition.  Not entirely sure how I feel about that, because
> > > I'd give a lot to be able to sit in the coffee shop at Oxford again 
> > > chatting
> > > with the other regulars late into the night.
> > >
> > > From: Martin Baxter 
> > > Reply-To: 
> > > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:16:31 -0400
> > > To: 
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Barnes and Noble bites the dust
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "My hunch is that B&N never really embraced the Internet or e-books, tied
> > > as it was to the old-fashioned world of physical books and stores."
> > >
> > > Personally, rave, I think that just might be why I like B&N so much. I'm
> > > not big on e-books at all (I picked up a batch over the past few weeks, 
> > > only
> > > because it was the only way I could get the books, as they're unavailable 
> > > in
> > > print. E-books, for all the marvel they are, are dependent on tech to be
> > > viewable. If you've got a problem with your Kindle or iPhone or computer,
> > > you're SOL. Books don't break down, even when they fall apart.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/110381/clearance-sale-barnes-noble-didnt-evolve-enough?mod=career-leadership
> > >>
> > >> How did Barnes & Noble (NYSE: BKS - News) fall so far so fast?
> > >>
> > >> The giant bookstore chain, whose superstores once struck fear into the
> > >> hearts of independent booksellers everywhere, put itself up for sale this
> > >> month, rendering it the corporate equivalent of the remaindered books it
> > >> sells at a discount.
> > >>
> > >> The company said it made the move because its shares are undervalued, but
> > >> to me there was an air of desperation about it.
> > >>
> > >> The simple explanation for Barnes & Noble's decline is the Internet, 
> > >> which
> > >> spawned Amazon.com (Nasdaq: AMZN - News), e-readers and digital books. 
> > >> But
> > >> that didn't have to be the end for B&N, which had a dominant market 
> > >> position
> > >> and should have out-Amazoned Amazon, leveraging its brand and innovating
> > >> when it began marketing and selling books online.
> > >>
> > >> I know exactly when B&N lost me as a customer. Some years ago, to compete
> > >> with Amazon, B&N began of

[scifinoir2] Re: Barnes and Noble bites the dust

[angelababycat]

They lost me just last month when I walked up to the help desk and asked for 
top recommendations in sci-fi books (recall my posts on the topic).  No one 
could help.  They don't have recommendation lists, not even on the computer.  
Just the NY Times list of top sellers in fiction and nonfiction.  So they sent 
me to the brother in the Music area because he's a sci-fi fan.  He looked 
on-line and printed out a list from AMAZON.COM for me!!!

(Meanwhile, I'm trying to keep my 2 yo's hands off all the misc. crap they sell 
like funky pens, chocolate, Twilight Saga paraphenalia.  I really wanted her to 
pick out a BOOK, you know?)

So maybe they're in trouble because they're big, but didn't establish 
themselves as a trusted leader in the literary industry in simple ways like 
being able to make credible book recommendations.  Without those kinds of 
offerings at the point of sale, who ever needs to drive to a book store?  You 
can "look inside" on-line now anyway.  And B&N was not going to catch Amazon 
for on-line sales, just like BB can't catch Netflix.


Angela



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/110381/clearance-sale-barnes-noble-didnt-evolve-enough?mod=career-leadership
> 
> How did Barnes & Noble (NYSE: BKS - News) fall so far so fast?
> 
> The giant bookstore chain, whose superstores once struck fear into the hearts 
> of independent booksellers everywhere, put itself up for sale this month, 
> rendering it the corporate equivalent of the remaindered books it sells at a 
> discount.
> 
> The company said it made the move because its shares are undervalued, but to 
> me there was an air of desperation about it.
> 
> The simple explanation for Barnes & Noble's decline is the Internet, which 
> spawned Amazon.com (Nasdaq: AMZN - News), e-readers and digital books. But 
> that didn't have to be the end for B&N, which had a dominant market position 
> and should have out-Amazoned Amazon, leveraging its brand and innovating when 
> it began marketing and selling books online.
> 
> I know exactly when B&N lost me as a customer. Some years ago, to compete 
> with Amazon, B&N began offering free same-day delivery in Manhattan if you 
> placed your order over the Internet by 11 a.m. I did so several times -- and 
> not once did the books arrive when promised. Everything I have ordered from 
> Amazon has arrived on time or earlier. Then came Amazon's game-changing 
> Kindle, and instant delivery. Nothing I've read about B&N's belated rival 
> Nook has tempted me to try it.
> 
> My hunch is that B&N never really embraced the Internet or e-books, tied as 
> it was to the old-fashioned world of physical books and stores. As B&N 
> focused on managing decline, a much more nimble Amazon could concentrate 
> exclusively on the new world it was forming. B&N needed to destroy its 
> business model to prevail. Now it is probably too late. There is a lesson for 
> all businesses here.
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Whatever happened to???? Game

[angelababycat]

Haiti.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> The other night I was thinking about some of the things that were hot items
> in the news but today you cannot find anything on them no matter where you
> look.
> 
> For example, stories about fuel cells were really hot in 2008/2009. When was
> the last time that you saw a story on it? This can be a person, place or
> thing.
> 
> Can you come up with more?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: From Ringword to A Pebble in the Sky

[angelababycat]

Yes, I really appreciate good writing (like so many of us, I have 200 pages of 
a novel I'll probably never finish writing shoved in a closet).  So I'll check 
out Lord of Light.  If it's not already in the pile of sci-fi books I got from 
the library.  Thanks.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> (seconding the Wise Man's words)
> 
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I think a lot of Niven's stuff is like that. He is still primarily a hard
> > scifi guy, and sometimes characterizations aren't as strong as you may like.
> > at least, that's my memory of him. I haven't read one of his books in at
> > least a decade.
> > Now if you want good characters and prose that flows like poetry, full of
> > sardonic wit and cleverness, try Roger Zelazny's stuff. His Amber
> > chronicles--a kind of scifi/fantasy mix--are great. His book "Lord of Light"
> > is one of the best reads of my life. It deals with a planet settled by
> > humans in which an elite class has given themselves super powers, and rules
> > the populace posing as the Hindi gods. This thing has demons, zombies,
> > existential questions, and action. It is really, really good.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "angelababycat" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 3:21:21 PM
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: From Ringword to A Pebble in the Sky
> >
> >
> >
> > Not too scifi heavy, but just didn't flow. I also didn't connect with the
> > main characters so I didn't care who decided to get on the space ship or
> > not. By the time they were in the ship and approached by those 5 lights or
> > whatever (around page 60), I was a little confused and disinterested. In
> > contrast, I'm already half way through Pebbles.
> >
> > Did I give up too soon on Ringworld?
> >
> > Angela
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith
> > Johnson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Was Ringworld too scifi heavy for you? What didn't you like about it?
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "angelababycat" 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 10:17:28 PM
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] From Ringword to A Pebble in the Sky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So Niven's Ringworld really wasn't doing it for me. Moved on to a basic
> > classic: Asimov's first book, "A Pebble in the Sky." I read like the first
> > 60 pages just yesterday. How do folks think it will compare to his late
> > works like Foundation, etc.?
> > >
> > > Angela
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
> > "angelababycat"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just finished reading Le Guin's "The Left Hand of Darkness" -- the
> > first sci-fi novel I've made time to sit down and enjoy in a long time. Felt
> > good. I forgot how much I liked Le Guin's writing too. A great place to
> > start.
> > > >
> > > > Next in the pile is "Ringworld" by Larry Niven. I have the list of
> > suggested reading from the group, but I was at the book store and just
> > pulled a few titles from what was in stock. And a librarian handed me
> > Octavia Butler's "Parable of the Sower" last weekend, but I still haven't
> > recovered from seeing "The Road" on PPV so I don't know about that one...
> > > >
> > > > Anyone read any of these?
> > > >
> > > > Angela
> > > >
> > > > P.S. -- Here's Wikipedia's summary of Left Hand if anyone's curious:
> > > >
> > > > The basic principle of The Left Hand of Darkness is one that started in
> > Ursula K. Le Guin's first novel in 1966 and runs through several of her
> > early works: that of the interplanetary expansion started by the first race
> > of humanity on the planet Hain and expanded across the universe, forming the
> > League of All Worlds, eventually expanding to the eighty-three world
> > collective called the Ekumen. This novel takes place in the year 4870 and
> > concerns an envoy, Genly Ai, who is on a planet called Winter ("Gethen" in
> > the language of its own people) to convince the citizens to join the Ekumen.
> > Winter is, as its name indicates, a planet tha

[scifinoir2] Re: From Ringword to A Pebble in the Sky

[angelababycat]

Not too scifi heavy, but just didn't flow.  I also didn't connect with the main 
characters so I didn't care who decided to get on the space ship or not.  By 
the time they were in the ship and approached by those 5 lights or whatever 
(around page 60), I was a little confused and disinterested.  In contrast, I'm 
already half way through Pebbles.

Did I give up too soon on Ringworld?

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Was Ringworld too scifi heavy for you? What didn't you like about it? 
> 
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "angelababycat"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 10:17:28 PM 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] From Ringword to A Pebble in the Sky 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So Niven's Ringworld really wasn't doing it for me. Moved on to a basic 
> classic: Asimov's first book, "A Pebble in the Sky." I read like the first 60 
> pages just yesterday. How do folks think it will compare to his late works 
> like Foundation, etc.? 
> 
> Angela 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "angelababycat"  wrote: 
> > 
> > Just finished reading Le Guin's "The Left Hand of Darkness" -- the first 
> > sci-fi novel I've made time to sit down and enjoy in a long time. Felt 
> > good. I forgot how much I liked Le Guin's writing too. A great place to 
> > start. 
> > 
> > Next in the pile is "Ringworld" by Larry Niven. I have the list of 
> > suggested reading from the group, but I was at the book store and just 
> > pulled a few titles from what was in stock. And a librarian handed me 
> > Octavia Butler's "Parable of the Sower" last weekend, but I still haven't 
> > recovered from seeing "The Road" on PPV so I don't know about that one... 
> > 
> > Anyone read any of these? 
> > 
> > Angela 
> > 
> > P.S. -- Here's Wikipedia's summary of Left Hand if anyone's curious: 
> > 
> > The basic principle of The Left Hand of Darkness is one that started in 
> > Ursula K. Le Guin's first novel in 1966 and runs through several of her 
> > early works: that of the interplanetary expansion started by the first race 
> > of humanity on the planet Hain and expanded across the universe, forming 
> > the League of All Worlds, eventually expanding to the eighty-three world 
> > collective called the Ekumen. This novel takes place in the year 4870 and 
> > concerns an envoy, Genly Ai, who is on a planet called Winter ("Gethen" in 
> > the language of its own people) to convince the citizens to join the 
> > Ekumen. Winter is, as its name indicates, a planet that is always cold, and 
> > its citizens are neither female nor male: they only have gender identities 
> > or sexual urges once a month. These conditions have affected the ways that 
> > civilizations on Winter have developed, with the most notable effect being 
> > that there has never been a war on the planet. There are, however, arcane 
> > rules of politics and diplomacy that the envoy must learn in order to 
> > survive. His fortune changes quickly, according to what political faction 
> > is in power at the time in the country he is residing in: in one country, 
> > for instance, the Prime Minister arranges an audience with the king for 
> > him, but the next day the Prime Minister is exiled for treason; in another 
> > he has trouble determining which factions among the thirty-three Heads of 
> > Districts support him and which want to use him to gain political power. 
> > The struggle of Genly Ai as he tries to understand the ways of these people 
> > and survive on this hostile planet gives Le Guin the chance to explore what 
> > life would be like without the dualities, such as summer and winter or male 
> > and female, that form our way of thinking: the book's title comes from a 
> > Gethen poem, which begins, "Light is The Left Hand of Darkness … " 
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: From Ringword to A Pebble in the Sky

[angelababycat]

What's important is that you're not still bitter about it.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> Angela, I've never read that. Picked it up at a library when I was ten, and
> someone lifted the book from my pile, in order to steal it.
> 
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:17 PM, angelababycat wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > So Niven's Ringworld really wasn't doing it for me. Moved on to a basic
> > classic: Asimov's first book, "A Pebble in the Sky." I read like the first
> > 60 pages just yesterday. How do folks think it will compare to his late
> > works like Foundation, etc.?
> >
> > Angela
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ,
> > "angelababycat"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Just finished reading Le Guin's "The Left Hand of Darkness" -- the first
> > sci-fi novel I've made time to sit down and enjoy in a long time. Felt good.
> > I forgot how much I liked Le Guin's writing too. A great place to start.
> > >
> > > Next in the pile is "Ringworld" by Larry Niven. I have the list of
> > suggested reading from the group, but I was at the book store and just
> > pulled a few titles from what was in stock. And a librarian handed me
> > Octavia Butler's "Parable of the Sower" last weekend, but I still haven't
> > recovered from seeing "The Road" on PPV so I don't know about that one...
> > >
> > > Anyone read any of these?
> > >
> > > Angela
> > >
> > > P.S. -- Here's Wikipedia's summary of Left Hand if anyone's curious:
> > >
> > > The basic principle of The Left Hand of Darkness is one that started in
> > Ursula K. Le Guin's first novel in 1966 and runs through several of her
> > early works: that of the interplanetary expansion started by the first race
> > of humanity on the planet Hain and expanded across the universe, forming the
> > League of All Worlds, eventually expanding to the eighty-three world
> > collective called the Ekumen. This novel takes place in the year 4870 and
> > concerns an envoy, Genly Ai, who is on a planet called Winter ("Gethen" in
> > the language of its own people) to convince the citizens to join the Ekumen.
> > Winter is, as its name indicates, a planet that is always cold, and its
> > citizens are neither female nor male: they only have gender identities or
> > sexual urges once a month. These conditions have affected the ways that
> > civilizations on Winter have developed, with the most notable effect being
> > that there has never been a war on the planet. There are, however, arcane
> > rules of politics and diplomacy that the envoy must learn in order to
> > survive. His fortune changes quickly, according to what political faction is
> > in power at the time in the country he is residing in: in one country, for
> > instance, the Prime Minister arranges an audience with the king for him, but
> > the next day the Prime Minister is exiled for treason; in another he has
> > trouble determining which factions among the thirty-three Heads of Districts
> > support him and which want to use him to gain political power. The struggle
> > of Genly Ai as he tries to understand the ways of these people and survive
> > on this hostile planet gives Le Guin the chance to explore what life would
> > be like without the dualities, such as summer and winter or male and female,
> > that form our way of thinking: the book's title comes from a Gethen poem,
> > which begins, "Light is The Left Hand of Darkness … "
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>

[scifinoir2] From Ringword to A Pebble in the Sky

[angelababycat]

So Niven's Ringworld really wasn't doing it for me.  Moved on to a basic 
classic: Asimov's first book, "A Pebble in the Sky."  I read like the first 60 
pages just yesterday.   How do folks think it will compare to his late works 
like Foundation, etc.?

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "angelababycat"  wrote:
>
> Just finished reading Le Guin's "The Left Hand of Darkness" -- the first 
> sci-fi novel I've made time to sit down and enjoy in a long time.  Felt good. 
>  I forgot how much I liked Le Guin's writing too.  A great place to start.
> 
> Next in the pile is "Ringworld" by Larry Niven. I have the list of suggested 
> reading from the group, but I was at the book store and just pulled a few 
> titles from what was in stock.  And a librarian handed me Octavia Butler's 
> "Parable of the Sower" last weekend, but I still haven't recovered from 
> seeing "The Road" on PPV so I don't know about that one...
> 
> Anyone read any of these?
> 
> Angela
> 
> P.S. -- Here's Wikipedia's summary of Left Hand if anyone's curious:
> 
> The basic principle of The Left Hand of Darkness is one that started in 
> Ursula K. Le Guin's first novel in 1966 and runs through several of her early 
> works: that of the interplanetary expansion started by the first race of 
> humanity on the planet Hain and expanded across the universe, forming the 
> League of All Worlds, eventually expanding to the eighty-three world 
> collective called the Ekumen. This novel takes place in the year 4870 and 
> concerns an envoy, Genly Ai, who is on a planet called Winter ("Gethen" in 
> the language of its own people) to convince the citizens to join the Ekumen. 
> Winter is, as its name indicates, a planet that is always cold, and its 
> citizens are neither female nor male: they only have gender identities or 
> sexual urges once a month. These conditions have affected the ways that 
> civilizations on Winter have developed, with the most notable effect being 
> that there has never been a war on the planet. There are, however, arcane 
> rules of politics and diplomacy that the envoy must learn in order to 
> survive. His fortune changes quickly, according to what political faction is 
> in power at the time in the country he is residing in: in one country, for 
> instance, the Prime Minister arranges an audience with the king for him, but 
> the next day the Prime Minister is exiled for treason; in another he has 
> trouble determining which factions among the thirty-three Heads of Districts 
> support him and which want to use him to gain political power. The struggle 
> of Genly Ai as he tries to understand the ways of these people and survive on 
> this hostile planet gives Le Guin the chance to explore what life would be 
> like without the dualities, such as summer and winter or male and female, 
> that form our way of thinking: the book's title comes from a Gethen poem, 
> which begins, "Light is The Left Hand of Darkness … "
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who finale

[angelababycat]

Who was it (Martin?) that said you dance with the Doctor who brought you to the 
party?  Tenant was my favorite because I never watched DW regularly until I 
joined this group last year and noticed all the buzz about show...taped all the 
eps in the 2-day New Years marathon, so that's what I know.  Martha was a 
little love-struck, but is still my fav companion, and Donna would be 2nd 
because she had the tough sensibillity of a mature woman.  The current Dr. 
doesn't do much for me and neither does Amy Pond.  Maybe I'll just be one of 
those one-doctor Dr. Who fans, but I'll stick with it for now.

If you like River Song, Alex plays the character very similarly to her role in 
Moll Flanders, which was on PBS, BBC or something in the mid 90's.  It must be 
the type of character she likes best, because I never really got into any of 
her other roles.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Was the original concept of the Doctor always intended to be this, that the 
> character would change so new actors could bring different aspects of his 
> personality to the fore? I ask because it's always a fascinating discussion 
> to see which Doctor we like--which says more about us than the Doctor. For 
> example, I still prefer Eccleston for the very reasons you mentioned: he was 
> tough (I'd say, rather than "rough"), world and war-weary, but trying to 
> shake off his ghosts. For some reason I really liked that. Tennant was great, 
> but I liked Eccleston's hard edge better. 
> And I like Donna more than Martha because Donna was tougher, giving as good 
> as the Doctor gave. Martha to me was way too much of a lovestruck puppy, and 
> seemed to have fallen for the Doctor too hard and too fast. Something about 
> that irritated me. I like that Donna would call his BS in a second. I am 
> glad, though, that at Tennant's "death", they revealed that Martha married 
> Mickey, who had been too long cuckolded by on again/off again girlfriend Rose 
> Tyler's love for the Doctor. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sammie A"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2010 6:41:36 PM 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I agree with everyone on this one. Matt is still kind of lost 2 me (i think 
> it's the long face and the too much, too big hair). River Song is simply 
> delicious! Cannot wait on the ep where the Doctor finally knows her, knows 
> herand of course how she is going 2 kill him. Must say, I 
> really miss David Tennant. Wasn't really crazy about Christopher 
> Ecclestonhe was like Timothy Dalton's James Bond (not suave, but 
> rough)...Eccleston was not really smarty, but rough. Tennant embraced the 
> 'whiz kid' role perfectly. Kind of like Tom Baker (the 4th doctor) did back 
> in my formative youth days. As for companions, Amy Pond is soo 
> much better to me than that hideous Donna Noble (Catherine Tate). Still say 
> my favorite companion is/was Martha Jones (Freeman Agyeman), but that's just 
> my opinion. 
> 
> Fate. 
> 
> --- On Sun, 8/8/10, Mike Street  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Mike Street  
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Date: Sunday, August 8, 2010, 9:46 PM 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The last 6 esp. did get much better but overall not the best season of DW. 
> I'm more interested in River Song's adventures and I think she is stealing 
> the show from Matt Smith. I'm slightly hoping to do a spin off show for River 
> Song cause she is fun. She is going to eventually kill the Dr. but I think 
> they will give Matt Smith another season before they need to find a new Dr. 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:36 PM, < adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> She is? O_O Not in my book... 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry 
> 
> From: Charles < char...@sheehanmile s.net > 
> Sender: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 16:31:17 -0500 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com < scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > 
> ReplyTo: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> Cc: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com < scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Dr. Who finale 
> 
> 
> 
> Was excellent. Not a huge fan of the new doctor, but his Amy Pond is a well 
> thought out, very interesting character, and the finale was spectacular 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2010, at 4:25 PM, "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo. com > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I just finished watching the penultimate and season finale of the new Dr. 
> Who. "The Pandorica Opens" is one of my favorite Dr. Who episodes ever - I 
> love the way it and the succeeding episode tie up most of the easter eggs 
> scattered since "The Raggedy Doctor" episode. 
> 
> "The League of Evil" banning together to save humanity is good stuff! 
> 
> And Alex Kingston is priceless as Dr. River Song. I have never been an Alex 
> Kingston fan, but this is a p

[scifinoir2] Re: Who Wants Some Vampire Apocalypse?

[angelababycat]

Thaat does sound refreshing.  You should add to the Good Books database too.  
Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
>
> Got an advanced reading copy of the second book in the Guillermo Del 
> Toro/Chuck Hogan trilogy. It's called the Fall. So far so good. Picks up 
> right where the Strain left off with same breakneck action adventure pace. 
> it's better written and more entertaining than the predecessor. I'm thinking 
> they may redeem the lackluster issues of the Strain. I'll post a review when 
> I am done.
> 
> Has anyone read the Passage? It's the first in Justin Cronin's Vampire 
> Apocalypse trilogy. Literate and fun though not as literate as the book hype 
> machine at Random House wants us to believe. Ignoring the hype, it was a load 
> of fun. I recommend it. 
> 
> Both the books cover essentially a similar theme but they approach pretty 
> differently. What they share in common is vampires as actual monsters rather 
> than vampires as tragic eurotrash romance figures. I gotta say I find that 
> truly refreshing. I've had all the sparkle I can stand.
> 
> Bosco
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Gene-silencing nanoparticles take the fight against mosquitoes down to the genetic level

[angelababycat]

Though I have an ever-increasing allergic reation to mosquitoes--3 bites in 1 
setting (which leave huge welts) are enough to keep me up all night with a 
racing heart, etc.--I don't like the idea of completely eliminating any animal 
that's part of the food chain.  Aren't bats and praying manti our friends? 
Don't they need mosquioes for food?  And aren't we already worried about the 
declining bee population?  Not good.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Gene-silencing nanoparticles take the fight against mosquitoes down to the
> genetic level
> 
> By Loz Blain 
> 
> *03:14 July 21, 2010*
> 
> 2 
> Pictures
>   [image: A female mosquito feeding on a human arm: could this pest's days
> be 
> numbered?]
> 
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> numbered?
> *Image 
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> images)
> *
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> Vanish Pest 
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> www.Van

[scifinoir2] Re: Being Human marathon on BBC America

[angelababycat]

I know.  That was pretty cool.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> You see the ep where they start out with the dude turning into a werewolf and 
> give a detailed description of the internal chaos the change brings? I'd 
> never heard the transformation described in that way: heart stopping, systems 
> breaking down and reforming, the transformation literally killing the person 
> over and over. Wow. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "angelababycat"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:57:08 AM 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Being Human marathon on BBC America 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I've been watching the repeats on BBCA. I'm not much for repeats, but must 
> say that I like the show even more. I think I pay more attention to the 
> actual characters and how good the actors are this time around (vs focusing 
> on the notion of a vamp, a WW and a ghost being roomies). 
> 
> Angela 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> > 
> > Starts at 11 this morn, for anyone interested. Seems to be the first season 
> > in its entirety, probably prepping for the new season starting next week.. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell 
> > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Being Human marathon on BBC America

[angelababycat]

I've been watching the repeats on BBCA.  I'm not much for repeats, but must say 
that I like the show even more.  I think I pay more attention to the actual 
characters and how good the actors are this time around (vs focusing on the 
notion of a vamp, a WW and a ghost being roomies).

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> Starts at 11 this morn, for anyone interested. Seems to be the first season
> in its entirety, probably prepping for the new season starting next week..
> 
> -- 
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Spoiler--Anyone notice the inaccuracy in the Predators trailer?

[angelababycat]

That was a cool scene in P2, and it's what I thought about when I saw the 
trailer.   Which, again, is why I felt cheated when it didn't turn out that 
way.  Oh well, that was last week.  Now I'm trying to figure out how to see 
Inception this Friday afternoon...I really need to find a baby sitter one of 
these days.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
>
> I wonder if that scene in the trailer was a call back to Predator 2? After 
> Danny Glover manages to beat his Predator something similar happened to him.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> >
> > Reboot, Angela. All of the previous rules are probably out the window.
> > 
> > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:07 PM, angelababycat wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Per usual, I saw Predators early Friday afternoon (in a theater with 100
> > > guys and maybe 6 other chics--I should have dressed nicer, LOL!).
> > >
> > > Anyway,there's really not much to discuss about this installment--if 
> > > you're
> > > a Predators follower, you'll just go see it and then move on with your 
> > > life.
> > > But one thing that really, really irritated me: the movie trailer 
> > > includes a
> > > clip in which the Brody character has the 3-red-dot lights from a dozen
> > > Predator gus on him, suggesting that at some point he and the crew will be
> > > up against 12+ Predators at once. But in the actual movie, that same sence
> > > shows only ONE such site light on the center of his chest. And accordingly
> > > the ensuing fight is with one Predator. Plus, it's revealed earlier in the
> > > movie that Predators only hunt in groups of 3 anyway. So I feel mislead
> > > about the scale of the confrontation we were going to see in the movie.
> > > Maybe that's one reason the 2nd half of the movie was so flat. We were all
> > > led to expect a huge battle--even if we don't remember exactly why--that
> > > never happens.
> > >
> > > Never underestimate people with photographic memories.
> > >
> > > Angela
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Spoiler--Anyone notice the inaccuracy in the Predators trailer?

[angelababycat]

PS - They ran the Old Spice commercial before the movie and you could see the 
guys shifting uncomfortably in thier chairs.  


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "angelababycat"  wrote:
>
> Per usual, I saw Predators early Friday afternoon (in a theater with 100 guys 
> and maybe 6 other chics--I should have dressed nicer, LOL!). 
> 
> Anyway,there's really not much to discuss about this installment--if you're a 
> Predators follower, you'll just go see it and then move on with your life.  
> But one thing that really, really irritated me: the movie trailer includes a 
> clip in which the Brody character has the 3-red-dot lights from a dozen 
> Predator gus on him, suggesting that at some point he and the crew will be up 
> against 12+ Predators at once.  But in the actual movie, that same sence 
> shows only ONE such site light on the center of his chest. And accordingly 
> the ensuing fight is with one Predator.  Plus, it's revealed earlier in the 
> movie that Predators only hunt in groups of 3 anyway.  So I feel mislead 
> about the scale of the confrontation we were going to see in the movie.  
> Maybe that's one reason the 2nd half of the movie was so flat.  We were all 
> led to expect a huge battle--even if we don't remember exactly why--that 
> never happens.
> 
> Never underestimate people with photographic memories.
> 
> Angela
>

[scifinoir2] Spoiler--Anyone notice the inaccuracy in the Predators trailer?

[angelababycat]

Per usual, I saw Predators early Friday afternoon (in a theater with 100 guys 
and maybe 6 other chics--I should have dressed nicer, LOL!). 

Anyway,there's really not much to discuss about this installment--if you're a 
Predators follower, you'll just go see it and then move on with your life.  But 
one thing that really, really irritated me: the movie trailer includes a clip 
in which the Brody character has the 3-red-dot lights from a dozen Predator gus 
on him, suggesting that at some point he and the crew will be up against 12+ 
Predators at once.  But in the actual movie, that same sence shows only ONE 
such site light on the center of his chest. And accordingly the ensuing fight 
is with one Predator.  Plus, it's revealed earlier in the movie that Predators 
only hunt in groups of 3 anyway.  So I feel mislead about the scale of the 
confrontation we were going to see in the movie.  Maybe that's one reason the 
2nd half of the movie was so flat.  We were all led to expect a huge 
battle--even if we don't remember exactly why--that never happens.

Never underestimate people with photographic memories.

Angela

[scifinoir2] Re: [Old Spice - Questions]

[angelababycat]

Guys, don't hate.  Just use Old Spice like the honey says.  Then when you morph 
into him and have diamonds spilling from your hands, call me.  I'll be all the 
lawyer you need.  LOL!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Hmmm let me think about that lawsuit for a minute...
> 
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:27 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Mr Worf, he's got an outside chance, if no one really looks hard at him.
> > (Though I'm certain the ladies will...)
> >
> > Which reminds me... gentlemen, I'm filing a class-action lawsuit against
> > Old Spice. THis series of commercials has effectively killed all chances we
> > normal guys have to make any progress with the Superior Sex. Who's in with
> > me?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> This is the latest Old Spice commercial. He did an interview on G4 today
> >> and said that he wants to play Luke Cage in an upcoming movie.
> >>
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >> --
> >> Danilo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> >> Mahogany at:
> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: What Hollywood can learn from 'Jonah Hex'

[angelababycat]

One other point: You cannot count on traditional advertising to promote movies 
any more.  I rarely watch regular TV.  I watch DVD's and DVR programs that 
allow me to FF through commercials.  For example, I've been waiting for the 
next Predator and/or Alien movie since the openning credits of the last movie.  
Yet, the only reason I know it starts next week is because someone posted the 
trailer here last fall.  I've never seen a single commercial for it (I did 
finally notice the poster at the movies a few months ago).  

Likewise, the only reason I know what Jonah Hex is about is I read this 
discussion.  Was it really promoted well?


BTW, I almost had a stroke trying not to cry in front of my 2 yo daughter and 
21 yo sister at the end of Toy Story 3 last weekend.  We went because the 21 yo 
remembers me taking her to the 1st one years ago.  That's the kind of movie 
that has a $110 mil openning.  (Plus, their commercials ran every 5 minutes on 
Nick, so I knew when it was openning.)

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
>
> Luke Cage or a Heroes For Hire movie could work if done right. 
> The character has evolved a quite a bit and is viewed as man of respect in 
> Marvel now. The biggest thing is finding the right villain to pair him 
> against. Bushmaster with a name change could make a credible villain. 
> 
> If they wanted to do a weird take on Jonah Hex Joe Lansdale and Tim Truman's 
> miniseries would have been the logical choice. They went for none of the 
> above.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry  
> wrote:
> >
> > Very good article. Totally agree that comic does not be made into a movie. 
> > I cringe at the thought of a Luke Cage "Powerman" comic.Hex would have 
> > played better on small screen.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Said Kakese Dibinga 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, June 30, 2010 2:46:20 AM
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] What Hollywood can learn from 'Jonah Hex'
> > 
> >   
> > http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2010/06/what-hollywood-can-learn-from-jonah-hex.html
> >  Said Yenga Kakese Dibinga
> > Director General, Bayindo Group SA
> > POB 1782
> > Los Angeles, CA 90078-1782
> > em: s...@bayindogroup. com
> > skype: saiddibinga
> >
>

[scifinoir2] ABC's The Gates

[angelababycat]

Did anyone watch this?  Any thoughts?  I missed the Pilot on June 20th, but now 
it's re-airing on Sunday July 4th.  So I recorded Ep. 2 last night and will 
save it until I see the Pilot.

Angela

[scifinoir2] Being Human is showing this week on DIRECTV

[angelababycat]

FYI, Being Human started this week on DirecTV101 (the Pilot, multiple times 
this week).

[scifinoir2] Re: Asking for Movie Suggestions

[angelababycat]

Keith, I also love the movie theater experience.  I have a high-end surround 
sound system and flat screen at home, but it's not quite the same.  I go in the 
middle of the day during the week--it's a select crowd of true movie lovers 
(with some unemployed folks thrown in).  We all talk to each other.  And 
despite having a pretty strict organic/cruelty free diet, I even get the 
popcorn with TONS of fake butter.  I have to down a giant cup of Coke with it 
to stop from being sick.  It's my secret time to be a kid once every few 
months.  I leave the theater relaxed and day dreaming about flying a rocket 
ship or whatever I just watched.  It's worth the occasional $20 and greasy 
circle on my jeans!

Sorry the pickins are relatively slim this summer.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Yeah, I think a lot of us are feeling that way. There's nothing that makes 
> you run to the theatre. My list of films I'm excited to see is leaning more 
> toward the indie theatres here, and unfortunately, the movies there cost too 
> much. (I live near a theatre where I can see first-run H'Wood films for six 
> bucks, but they don't do smaller films. So, I have to pay 8 - 11 bucks per 
> movie to see the indie and smaller flicks, which is not in my plans 
> nowadays). 
> 
> Due to a lot of reasons, I don't have a super-duper home system yet. Still 
> rocking an old-fashioned CRT "tube" TV that's a flat tube but not flatscreen. 
> Still, I have broadband and a new PC I bought on the cheap, so I'm starting 
> to look at Internet downloads and stuff a lot more. And, things like Redbox 
> and Blockbuster kiosks where movies only cost a buck are increasingly 
> attractive. I will always be a moviegoer, because I love everything about the 
> theatre-going experience, from standing in long lines and talking to people, 
> to sharing a film with a big crowd, to the oversized images and sound which 
> even the best home systems can't duplicate. But with ticket prices now 
> forcing us to drop at least a twenty even for "matinee", and the paradoxical 
> studio attempt to draw us in more by giving us more fluff, I've regrettably 
> had to curtail what was once a weekly trip to the theatre. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Daryle Lockhart"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 10:29:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Asking for Movie Suggestions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I've been really immersed in Bollywood and Asian films on DVD/online lately. 
> "Raaavan" was the best Indian film I've seen in a couple of years. "Kites" 
> was the most accessible, as it's in English. It's playing near you as "Kites: 
> The Remix", which was re-edited by Brett Ratner. 
> 
> 
> I'm down for Last Airbender and Inception, but I gotta say...I'm really not 
> personally looking forward to any big budget films except Tron Legacy. I'm 
> way more excited to see "Scott Pilgrim" than anything else this summer. 
> 
> 
> Daryle 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 21, 2010, at 9:54 PM, angelababycat wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Saw your original post and felt sad I had nothing interesting to offer. But 
> the new Predators movie opens July 9th and I will be there for the 11:00 am 
> Friday showing of course. Also on my "see at the theater for the special 
> effects vs waiting for PPV" list: 
> June 30th - Twilight Saga: Eclipse 
> July 2nd - The Last Airbender 
> July 16th - Inception 
> August 27th - Resident Evil: Afterlife 
> 
> Other than Predators maybe, not a very exciting summer movie list for me I'm 
> affraid. 
> 
> Angela 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > Not a suggestion? Anyone watching any movies at the theatre? Recently I've 
> > seen "Kings of the Evening", which was nice, and plan to see a 
> > little-known-but-well-praised foreign flick, "The Secret in Their Eyes". 
> > It's way off the summer-blockbuster path... 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Keith Johnson"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 6:35:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: Asking for Movie Suggestions 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Any recommendations on which of the big summer movies are worth seeing? 
> > 
> > Have any of you seen Prince of Persia, Robin Hood, A-Team, Karate Kid, 
> > Splice, Killers, Shrek, Get Him to the Greek 
> > 
>

[scifinoir2] Director del Toro has quit the Hobbit?

[angelababycat]

Saw this on www.scifimoviepage.com/upcoming/previews/hobbit.html
 :

STATUS UPDATE (07/06/2010): Director del Toro has quit the project
citing incessant production delays due to MGM's financial woes: "In
light of ongoing delays in the setting of a start date for filming The
Hobbit, I am faced with the hardest decision of my life," del Toro told
a Lord of the Rings fan website. "After nearly two years of living,
breathing and designing a world as rich as Tolkien's Middle Earth, I
must, with great regret, take leave from helming these wonderful
pictures."


Anyone hear anything about this?

[scifinoir2] Re: Asking for Movie Suggestions

[angelababycat]

Saw your original post and felt sad I had nothing interesting to offer.  But 
the new Predators movie opens July 9th and I will be there for the 11:00 am 
Friday showing of course.  Also on my "see at the theater for the special 
effects vs waiting for PPV" list:
June 30th - Twilight Saga: Eclipse 
July 2nd - The Last Airbender
July 16th - Inception
August 27th - Resident Evil: Afterlife 

Other than Predators maybe, not a very exciting summer movie list for me I'm 
affraid.

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Not a suggestion? Anyone watching any movies at the theatre? Recently I've 
> seen "Kings of the Evening", which was nice, and plan to see a 
> little-known-but-well-praised foreign flick, "The Secret in Their Eyes". It's 
> way off the summer-blockbuster path... 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Keith Johnson"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 6:35:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Asking for Movie Suggestions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Any recommendations on which of the big summer movies are worth seeing? 
> 
> Have any of you seen Prince of Persia, Robin Hood, A-Team, Karate Kid, 
> Splice, Killers, Shrek, Get Him to the Greek 
> 
> 
> 
> With the summer "blockbuster" season here, we're inundated with all the 
> next-big-things at the box office: all the CGI- and action-heavy movies. 
> Typically I start to burn out after a while, as so many of them nowadays seem 
> to be mediocre films based mostly on explosions, fights, and FX. "Iron Man 2" 
> was okay, but a bit of a disappointment. I need to watch the money I spend at 
> the cinema, so don't want to plop down my six bucks for something that I can 
> wait for on DVD. And there are some indie films like "Mother and Child" and 
> "Kings of the Evening" that I'd rather see, since they actually rely on plots 
> and good acting.
>

[scifinoir2] Re: The Road

[angelababycat]

Thanks--work's been kicking my behind. Headed to the beach in the a.m. thank 
goodness. 

Re ugly, we don't even have to look as far as that.  Watch 2 toddlers fight 
over a single piece of candy.  Or stare you in the eyes and lie about spilling 
thier juice.  I never believed behavior like that was innate until I had a 
child.  She's actually pretty sweet and I run a tight ship, but she's still 
capable of some Lord of the Flies type stuff that amazes me.  As you said we 
are, after all, animals.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> Ab initio, Angela, great to see your voice again!
> 
> I haven't seen it either (also have it up on PPV, but haven't had the time
> to order it), but I believe, without hesitation, that things WOULD end up
> that way, if not worse. Save for this post and two others, my sojourn across
> the Internet has showed me, if nothing else, that the human animal is, by
> and large, a very ugly species.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Angela Robinson
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure The Road was discussed when it came out, but I just got around to
> > seeing it on PPV this weekend.  Maybe the most dark and depressing movie
> > I've ever seen (or in the top 5 anyway).  Yet the last few minutes offered a
> > little redeeming hope in a way that was totally unexpected to me.  I thought
> > it was well done and worth checking out if you don't mind feeling awful for
> > a little while.  Some how, more than Survivors, Book of Eli, The Day After
> > or even Threads, The Road left me sunk in the sofa saying, "God, would it
> > ever really come to that?"
> >
> > Angela
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>

[scifinoir2] Re: The Road

[angelababycat]

Like with Precious (why why oh why did I watch that), I had to chase it with a 
romantic comedy the next day to shake it off.  27 Dresses I think.  Try it.  Ha!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
>
> Angela,
> 
> now u have me wondering do i want 2 see it!  i hate feeling like what u have 
> described.
> 
> Fate.
> 
> --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Angela Robinson  wrote:
> 
> From: Angela Robinson 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] The Road
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 9:21 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   
>   
> 
> 
>  
> I'm sure The Road was discussed when it came out, but I just got around to 
> seeing it on PPV this weekend.  Maybe the most dark and depressing movie 
> I've ever seen (or in the top 5 anyway).  Yet the last few 
> minutes offered a little redeeming hope in a way that was totally unexpected 
> to 
> me.  I thought it was well done and worth checking out if you don't mind 
> feeling awful for a little while.  Some how, more than Survivors, Book of 
> Eli, The Day After or even Threads, The Road left me sunk in the sofa saying, 
> "God, would it ever really come to that?"
>  
> Angela
>

[scifinoir2] Re: The Road

[angelababycat]

What channel was "Things to come" showing on?  Sounds interesting.

The complete absence of any government / law enforcement / scientific presence 
is part of what made everything along the road in The Road so bleak and lonely. 
 Everyone was literally on their own -- the old blind man, the striped naked 
brother, the woman & child being chased across the field by those hunters...  
In Survivors, you're only weeks out from the event and already the remaining 
"government" and "scientists" aren't faring so well.  The new strain of the 
virus will compromise even those efforts.  (I forgot--is this show coming back 
or not?)  Fastforward 10+ years and I guess The Road is where you'll be.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I agree Angela. I also found it very dark without any hope. There really
> wasn't any hope. The world would take some time to heal. About 10 years had
> passed since whatever happened in the movie and we were seeing the very last
> of the survivors of humanity.
> 
> It reminded me a little about the movie "Things to come" which I watched
> last night again. It was made in 1935 and yet, some of the things were
> tremendously accurate and spooky. The date of WW2 was off by only a few
> months. Air raids, flat screen monitors, plexiglass etc.
> 
> In the movie, the survivors of the war continued on fighting for nearly 30
> years until disease began to wipe out who was left leaving just a handful of
> survivors. Out of those survivors some fought for control over the remaining
> resources, while another group of scientists began rebuilding and giving up
> the idea of war all together.
> 
> I think it would be safe to assume that The Road didn't have any scientists
> left only people fighting for the last few scraps.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Angela Robinson
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure The Road was discussed when it came out, but I just got around to
> > seeing it on PPV this weekend.  Maybe the most dark and depressing movie
> > I've ever seen (or in the top 5 anyway).  Yet the last few minutes offered a
> > little redeeming hope in a way that was totally unexpected to me.  I thought
> > it was well done and worth checking out if you don't mind feeling awful for
> > a little while.  Some how, more than Survivors, Book of Eli, The Day After
> > or even Threads, The Road left me sunk in the sofa saying, "God, would it
> > ever really come to that?"
> >
> > Angela
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: The End Of Lost

[angelababycat]

I don't know exactly how I feel.  I wanted something memorable and worthy of 
the energy I've put into following all the different story lines, etc. this 
season.  I didn't get that.  It even started to feel like a clip show at some 
point.  I didn't like who was missing from the church in the horrid last 5 
minutes either.  It wasn't Galactica bad, but still much less than what I 
expected...

Angela

PS - Sawyer, Sayid and Mr. Eko, you WILL be missed.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
>
> Did anyone watch? Did anyone care? I'm still gathering my thoughts. I'm 
> holding off on discussion of specifics for fear of spoilage.
> 
> I'm torn, really torn. There are somethings I liked and somethings I didnt. I 
> think they may be the same as the things I've liked and disliked about the 
> show the whole time.
> 
> I rewatched the pilot episode and while I am not thoroghly convinced that 
> they had the whole thing planned out, I think there was some definitive 
> planning from the beginning. I think Locke teaching Walt to play backgammon 
> was indicative of such.
> 
> I'm walking away from six seasons not feeling Galactica'd but not necessarily 
> satisfied either.
> 
> Anyone else?
> 
> Bosco
>

[scifinoir2] Re: ISO good book recommendations

[angelababycat]

The sad thing is, if I had more time to read, I'd say all of the above.  But 
since that's not the case, I think the tech needs to be pretty up-to-date (I'm 
pretty techy for a girl).

Re the story being deep, isn't all sci-fi deep?  I think everything I read 
involved the protaganist coming of age, be it a pig herder, an orphan, a 
hobbit, or some other wayward soul.  So I'm probably expecting that.  But fun 
is nice too.

I'm taking all recommendatins to the book store with me.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> How techie does it need to be? Modern and up-to-date, with the tech pretty 
> realistic, or can it be older stuff written from the 50s and later, where the 
> science wouldn't now be considered cutting edge? Does it need to be deep and 
> socially relevant, or just fun? I can think of EE "Doc" Smith's Lensmen 
> series, which dates back to the '50s era. It's fun, but definitely of its 
> time. 
> 
> Let me ask about old classics. Ever read any of Larry Niven's or Jerry 
> Pournelle's stuff? "Footfall" is a good book, about a race of intelligent 
> pachyderms that invade Earth. Then there's the "Ringworld" series, which is 
> really good. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "angelababycat"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:05:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: ISO good book recommendations 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That's a good point. I guess I need to think about the kinds of books I used 
> to read...they were probably more fantasy, but I think I want something with 
> a little techy edge to it too. So like "Lord of the Rings" (all which I've 
> read) with space ships and other planets. 
> 
> MEANWHILE, I took the liberty of making a table in the Database section with 
> the recommendations. Everyone is free to add/edit/delete their 
> recommendations as they wish. When I go to the bookstore, I'm taking the 
> table with me. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Angela 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > Pure scifi only, or are you open to fantasy as well? 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Angela Robinson"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:30:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] ISO good book recommendations 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's been a while since I've made time/had time to curl up with a book, but 
> > now am looking for a good sci-fi novel to sink my teeth into. If you could 
> > maybe only get through one sci-fi book this year, what would it be? 
> > 
> > Angela 
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Facebook Sci-Fi Groups

[angelababycat]

io9 had a "page" but not a "group". I "liked" their page (or whatever the heck 
you call adding it to your "wall").  Nothing else jumped out at me.  

I also did not find a facebook group re sci-fi people of color.  If Tracy 
and/or someone else wanted to start such a group, it might be a first.  I for 
one would "like" it and participate.

Nevertheless I still prefer the privacy of Yahoo groups.  That's one reason I 
created the Book & Movie Recommendation databases.  Yahoo  has features that go 
unused, but are useful for sharing info as well.  Tracy already set up a 
profile page for us too.  (Full disclosure: I am a Yahoo stockholder.)

The question would be do we want to perhaps blaze a trail and supplement what 
we have in Yahoo with a facebook group?  I think it's almost a question of 
when, not if.

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> Frankly, Daryle, the "social" aspect worries me a bit, looking at all of the
> other social networks out there. Here, I feel safe in talking. Not so much
> in the rest.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Daryle Lockhart
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I'm in 12 groups across social media and this is the best sci-fi discussion
> > group  I've ever been a part of.
> >
> > We could create social media presences for this group. That would grow the
> > membership, and I'm not entirely sure that's a good thing.
> >
> > I like the energy Tracey started with,  and with very few exceptions,  it's
> > remained that way all these years. Which is fantastic.
> >
> > What do you all think? Is it time for Sci-Fi Noir to  take over the world?
> >
> >
> > On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Angela, I'm technically in a couple, but I haven't been in either for... I
> > don't know *how* long. I have issues with that site.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:21 PM, angelababycat  > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I decided to enter the 21st century and finally set up a facebook page.
> >> Well, that's a week worth of work
> >>
> >> Anyway, I was searching sci-fi groups to see if any interested me and
> >> there's one called "Fans of crappy sci-fi channel original movies." LMAO!
> >>
> >> But, seriously, anyone a fan of any sci-fi groups on facebook?
> >>
> >> Angela
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Group Databases

[angelababycat]

Please do the honors and post the first movie.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Absolutely! 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "angelababycat"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:09:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Group Databases 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I just created a table in the Databases section for good book 
> recommendations. Please feel free to contribute. 
> 
> Is anyone interested in a table for movies? TV shows? 
> 
> Angela
>

[scifinoir2] Facebook Sci-Fi Groups

[angelababycat]

I decided to enter the 21st century and finally set up a facebook page.  Well, 
that's a week worth of work  

Anyway, I was searching sci-fi groups to see if any interested me and there's 
one called "Fans of crappy sci-fi channel original movies." LMAO!

But, seriously, anyone a fan of any sci-fi groups on facebook?

Angela

[scifinoir2] Group Databases

[angelababycat]

I just created a table in the Databases section for good book recommendations.  
Please feel free to contribute.

Is anyone interested in a table for movies? TV shows?

Angela

[scifinoir2] Re: ISO good book recommendations

[angelababycat]

That's a good point.  I guess I need to think about the kinds of books I used 
to read...they were probably more fantasy, but I think I want something with a 
little techy edge to it too.  So like "Lord of the Rings" (all which I've read) 
with space ships and other planets.  

MEANWHILE, I took the liberty of making a table in the Database section with 
the recommendations.  Everyone is free to add/edit/delete their recommendations 
as they wish.  When I go to the bookstore, I'm taking the table with me.

Thanks.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Pure scifi only, or are you open to fantasy as well? 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Angela Robinson"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:30:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] ISO good book recommendations 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It's been a while since I've made time/had time to curl up with a book, but 
> now am looking for a good sci-fi novel to sink my teeth into. If you could 
> maybe only get through one sci-fi book this year, what would it be? 
> 
> Angela
>

[scifinoir2] Re: "Stargate SGU" Marathon on SyFy

[angelababycat]

Same here.  Towards the end of last night's new ep you saw him holding a 
photograph and smiling.  Clearly there's a redeming story about the Brother 
that's yet to be revealed.

The new ep had a little more action/intrigue than some of the previous ones.  
The show's OK overall. There's still something missing, but I can't quite put 
my finger on it.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> He's finding more appeal in my eyes as well, Keith, but I'm not watching the
> marathon, just waiting for the new ep. Tried a couple of times, but it's all
> still too fresh in my head.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > SyFy's running a marathon of SGU all day today, leading up to a new ep
> > later tonight. Watching many of the shows again, I still find a lot of
> > things about it to like.  The biggest thing is I'm starting to like the
> > Brother is the show. Initial reactions I had were "Great, another angry
> > black man",  "another black man who's not the leader, but a subordinate".
> > But I'm seeing some of the ways he's acted, and he seems to have a core of
> > something else, perhaps a rough edge, but a desire to really do what's
> > right. Starting to grow on me.
> >  
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Predators (was Re: Question )

[angelababycat]

Thanks for the heads up. I forgot it was coming out.  The trailers look
great.  Here's the web site: http://www.predators-movie.com/
  .

It starts July 9th (not the 29th).  I'm there!

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter 
wrote:
>
> Fate,
>
> I keep meaning to peek at it whenever I happen into IMDb, but I always
slip
> back out without doing it. I'll try to remember today.
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Augustus Augustus
> jazzynupe_...@...wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > has anyone seen the trailer for the new Predator movie "Predators"
with
> > Lawrence Fishburn? It opens July 29. The trailor looks freaking
AWESOME!
> >
> > Fate.
> >
> >
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Riverworld Remake - Apr 18th, 7-11 pm on SyFy

[angelababycat]

Maybe "V" started something.  Or maybe they've been reading our rants about 
making new sucky stuff instead of remaking old good stuff...

[scifinoir2] Re: Topic: Continuity and logic errors in movies and tv

[angelababycat]

Good call.  The other error in that scene, however, is that a rich guy who's up 
to something wouldn't have a security guard to stop the dude from getting to 
the front door in the first place.

But more direct to your question:  
- There's an scene early in Children of Men where the main character is talking 
to that old hippie guy.  He's sitting on the sofa holding a sleeping/very 
relaxed cat.  The frame quickly switches to the hippie as he says something, 
then quickly back to our main man.  The cat is now sleep in a different place 
and facing the opposite way.  I may not be remembering it absolutely correctly, 
but whatever detail it was that changed, it really stood out that two different 
takes had been spliced together for that scene.

- What was that movie from about 5 yrs ago about black plant workers at a 
chemical factory in Africa?  Good movie, but all I remember is that in one 
scene the address number on the guy's shanty house is backwards, as in a mirror 
image.  Why? Probably because the driver of the car in front of the house is 
headed to the factory which the audience already knows is down the road to the 
left of the screen.  But the car must have originally headed screen right, so 
they flipped the frame to make the car go in the right direction.

I'd have to think of others.  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I am watching this week's episode of Flashforward and there are a couple of
> glaring errors that I found in this episode. Nothing to do with the overly
> fantastic premise of the series so far, but simple mistakes that stuck out.
> 
> In this week's episode the father of the war vet goes seeking information
> from a rich guy who seems to be up to something. He drives over to the rich
> guy's house and turns off the power. A moment later, he goes to the door of
> the house and presses the doorbell. If there is no electricity in the house
> (which they showed) how could the doorbell work?
> 
> Have you caught any logic errors like this on the shows you watch or in
> movies that you have seen?
> 
> -- 
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Blood types = personality traits?

[angelababycat]

The theories also extend to eating a diet based on your blood type. 
Maybe it's coincidence, but what they say about my blood type's diet is
definitely on point.  For example, apparently B blood originates from
nomadic people who did not farm.  So lots of meat supplemented by nuts,
berries, etc. that you'd gather along your travels without having to
cultivate it, and few starches or even poultry.  For me it helped
explain why--despite being an animal welfare activist and knowledgeable
about healthy vegan diets--I never feel well without red meat and lots
of nuts in my diet.  I can't take much chicken or any gluten either.  I
knew this about my diet before I learned about the blood type dieting,
so it was just reaffirming for me.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I was watching the behind the scenes footage of a poorly made Japanese
pinky
> movie called Lady Ninja the other night. (bad movie) In the video
extra the
> interviewer asked her about her blood type. She replied that she was O
> positive. They continued to chat about different traits and whatnot
similar
> to how we in the west would chat about horoscopes. This was an odd
series of
> questions to me so I decided to look it up.
>
> In the late 19th century, a bigoted Asian eugenics "expert" stated
that
> "certain people" were the closest to animals because their blood type
was
> the same as the animal species." This was cemented into the Japanese
psyche
> when Taiwan insurgents repelled the Japanese in the 1930s.
>
> In the 1970s Masahiko Nomi wrote a book on blood type personalities
that
> became very popular. This started a strange series events in Japanese
> society where some people were harassed by employers for their blood
type.
> You could quite literally loose a job if you have the wrong blood type
there
> in the interview process!
>
> Even though there is no scientific proof for it, it is a common
practice
> within Japanese culture to talk about blood types. Four of the top 10
best
> selling books are on the topic of "blood personality traits." There
are also
> horoscopes based on it, dating sites, and video games options when you
are
> creating a character as well that all use blood type as a focal point.
>
> Very interesting stuff don't you think?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Alternative writing techniques

[angelababycat]

Over the years I've been a technical writter, fiction writter (for
personnal pleasure--never published), and legal writter.  One thing I
heard long ago and always remember when I start writting: you use a
different part of your brain when you read & write on the vertical plane
(e.g., a computer screen, black board, newspaper) vs. the horizontal
(e.g., a pad of paper).  Ever have a hard time getting your thoughts
together when trying to give a simple presentation using a white board? 
Or reading a map on a subway wall?  That's why.  I'm a horizontal
writter/reader I guess, so anything requiring truly original or creative
thought has to start on paper or be printed out, then I move to the PC
to fine tune.

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Because there are several writers in this group. I was curious to know
what
> everyone uses to write.
>
> Do you use a notepad or PC? Typewriter?
>
> Does anyone use voice command dictation? I have been trying to use
> Microsoft's for the last couple of years and it doesn't feel like they
have
> ever updated the software.
>
> What about you?
>
> --
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Caprica

[angelababycat]

Still watching.  Like you, I think I'm enjoying the Tauron story line as much 
as, if not more than, the main plot.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Still waiting for a brotha as a major character on the show.
> 
> Meanwhile, I am digging the Tauron mafia subplot. I love mafia stuff and
> within the growing tension between the two owners of the companies. I think
> that kind of tension could work outside of the caprica world.
> 
> Anyone still watching?
> 
> -- 
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Alien Nation

[angelababycat]

FYI, I don't get this channel, but I noticed that 2 of the Alien Nation 
"movies" are showing on Fox Movie Channed/FMC a few times this week.

Angela

[scifinoir2] Re: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break

[angelababycat]

The last 5 eps are hogging space in my DVR, yet I can't bring myself to
watch even when desperately surfing channels for something other than
skiing or ghost hunting to watch.  As I think someone else mentioned in
a previous discussion, the carnival stuff killed it for me.  I really do
want to see the part about Clair outing herself, but how much more
torture must I endure just to see that!?!

Why does this keep happening to our shows?

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I think that they just ran out of steam and didn't have a well thought
out
> story line that would last this long. They stopped doing all of the
cool
> things that attracted people to the show. It was as if they changed
the
> format of the show without really changing anything and it broke the
show.
>
> Its like turning a comedy show into a drama.
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
> tdli...@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > CANCEL â€" They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that
the change
> > in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like
the whole
> > first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who
were
> > never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung
around out
> > of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past
glory
> > would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to
turn the
> > channel or to watch it on Hulu.
> >
> >
> >
> > It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series
finale of
> > Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> > Behalf Of *Mr. Worf
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM
> > *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First
Break
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have
turned
> > Sylar into a repented "hero" with a dark past. Claire has outed
herself to
> > the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange
void of no
> > where to go from here.
> >
> > They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained.
Its
> > just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
> > tdli...@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator
outlines his
> > feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble
> > http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129
> >
> > When you think of NBC's[image:
> >
http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif]"Heroes," you can't help but think of a younger, less
emotionally certain Peter
> > Petrelli[image:
http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif]standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's
enigmatic narration on
> > the nature of life's mysteries.
> >
> > Those were the good days.
> >
> > Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely
recognizable from
> > its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the
ratings
> > have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went
wrong in
> > the first place?
> >
> > Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own.
> >
> > However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first
break
> > following the initial 11 episodes. "Fallout," the 11th episode of
the
> > series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series
went on
> > a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007.
> >
> > "We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never
stopped
> > writing," Kring told The AV Club. "Same directors, same actors, same
> > everything. So when someone says they don’t like Season 2,
it’s like, 'Well,
> > that was yesterday.' We don’t have a sense that the seasons
are divided by
> > ideas or timeframes; it’s just this big long continuum."
> >
> > Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then
"Heroes"
> > took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience simply never came back.
> >
> > "The first 16 episodes was the part everybody talks about," he said.
> >
> > After that 16th episode, "Heroes" delved deeply into the mythology
of the
> > mysterious Company, and eventually built toward an explosion-filled
season
> > finale ... and that became a problem for the show.
> >
> > "The other thing is, you can only be shiny and new one time," Kring
said.
> > "Also in that first season, we probably should have done two volumes
or
> > three volumes, smaller stories. I think people would have gotten
used to the
> > fact that we tell a story in volumes that have a beginning, a
middle, and an
> > end. Because we didn’t, and we ended with sort of a finale,
it felt like,
> > 'Well, I guess that’s over.'
> >
> > "So how do you go back to saving the wor

[scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch

[angelababycat]

Day Watch is harder to get through.  I still hope to see #3 eventually.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
>
> I liked but not loved Night Watch. I've seen about half of Day Watch
but can never finish it for some reason.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn" ravenadal@ wrote:
> >
> > By the by: "Day Watch" and "Night Watch" were directed by Timur
Bekmambetov who also directed "Wanted." Members of Bekmambetov's acting
entourage, such as Konstantin Khabenskiy, also appear in "Wanted."
> >
> > ~rave!
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Angela Robinson" 
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Starts at 12:15 am (i.e., in 1/2 hour) on IFC. No repeats. If
you've never seen it, it has some interesting special effects in a story
of the threatened battle between supernatural agents of "day" and
"night" trying to maintain an age-old truce between the two sides. And
it might surprise you that it's Russian. Will likely be a cult favorite.
I have it and the sequel Day Watch in my DVD collection. The 3rd
installment is anticipated. Angela
> > >
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Dr. Who's Blink

[angelababycat]

Sorry.  I must have blinked.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> Uh, yes they did.  You weren't paying attention.  I'm just sayin.'
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "angelababycat"  wrote:
> >
> > OK, I'm only a recent fan of Dr. Who and still going through all those 
> > marathon eps I recorded last week.  But I remember someone mentioning that 
> > Blink was a favorite, so I skipped ahead and watched it late last night.  
> > It was really good.  But that person neglected to say it was going to give 
> > me the heebee jeebees so I couldn't sleep!
> > 
> > Angela
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: "Demons" on BBC America - What did you think?

[angelababycat]

Yeh, it's OK.  When my other shows start to come back at the end of January, 
Demons will probably fall into the "recorded by never watched unless I catch 
another cold" category.  Like WH13 (for me).  Speaking of which, did anyone 
notice how much the archive/stacks or whatever that place is looks a lot like 
Warehouse 13?

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Did anyone catch the premier of this show a couple of weeks ago, after the 
> Dr. Who finale?  I wasn't really overwhelmed with it. It had some good 
> moments, but the plot seemed a bit rushed. I also couldn't quite get the tone 
> right; or, I couldn't tell if it was going to be serious, scary adult drama, 
> or toned down a bit to apply to a younger crowd. Of course, the British can 
> handle tonal shifts in a single show better than anyone, so maybe I'll give 
> it a chance. But so far, no one really drew me in. 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/391/index.jsp 
> 
> 
> On the surface Luke Rutherford (Christian Cooke) is every bit the average 
> teenager, but with the arrival of his dead father’s best friend Rupert 
> Galvin ( Philip Glenister ), Luke’s life is about to change. Galvin has 
> come to inform Luke that his father’s death fifteen years ago wasn’t an 
> accident, and that he holds a secret destiny as the great-great grandson of 
> Abraham Van Helsing, the vampire hunter in Bram Stoker’s Dracula. 
> 
> Now Luke must carry the torch and do battle against the inhumans and the 
> freaks that walk among us, but he must keep it all hidden and maintain his 
> normal life as a son and a student. 
> 
> To train Luke in his quest, Galvin calls on the beautiful but icy Mina Harker 
> ( Zoe Tapper ), a blind concert pianist with a history. She also happens to 
> be the foremost authority on the undesirable entities preying on humanity. 
> The sinister and moldering Father Simeon ( Richard Wilson ) is Luke’s other 
> counselor on the lore and myths behind the creatures he faces. 
> 
> Luke’s first opponent is the villainous Gladiolus Thrip ( Mackenzie Crook 
> ), a “type 12” vampire with a burning hatred for the Van Helsing line. 
> The list of terrifying adversaries grows with the cockroach-munching “type 
> 5” called Redlip ( Martin Hancock ); a “type 9” child-snatching 
> demon-in-angel’s clothing called Gilgamel ( Rick English ); and the 
> half-man half-rat Mr. Tibbs ( Kevin McNally ), who bears a deep and personal 
> grudge against a member of the team.
>

[scifinoir2] Dr. Who's Blink

[angelababycat]

OK, I'm only a recent fan of Dr. Who and still going through all those marathon 
eps I recorded last week.  But I remember someone mentioning that Blink was a 
favorite, so I skipped ahead and watched it late last night.  It was really 
good.  But that person neglected to say it was going to give me the heebee 
jeebees so I couldn't sleep!

Angela

[scifinoir2] Re: Did anyone watch BSG: The Plan, and Caprica?

[angelababycat]

I'm tuned into the SyFy channel so infrequently now that I didn't see any 
advertisements reminding me when the shows were airing (yet another fumble for 
SyFy considering what a big BSG fan I was).  I stumbled upon The Plan half way 
through, so I'm recording the replay.  I'll catch Caprica on the 22nd--thanks 
for the heads up.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Just wondering. Both were on tv recently. BSG: The Plan is a replay of the
> initial Cylon attack that wiped out humanity(?) from the Cylon point of
> view. It is interesting to do a rewind to see the story "behind the scenes."
> 
> 
> Caprica rewinds the story even farther back to about 58 years before the war
> with the Cylons began. It also covers the origin of the Cylons. The big
> difference is that the storyline is more along the lines of an Earth based
> drama. They are replaying the pilot episode on 1/22. Here is more info on
> the show: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprica_%28TV_series%29
> 
> Its also on comscum on demand.
> 
> Has anyone else watched these two shows?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: FW: Avatar watchers.. suicidal & depressed???

[angelababycat]

My mom went to see Avatar at my insistance.  Although she's still too busy 
mourning Mike to be sad about anything else, she did point out how much the 
scene with the tree falling reminded her of 9/11.  I hadn't thought about it, 
but maybe on some subconscious level we all now have a strong emotional 
reaction to tall structures falling (e.g., skysrappers, giant trees people live 
in).  So perhaps that scene coupled with the warring conflict over resources 
throughout brings up a lot of old bad feelings in people.  I'm suprised that 
wasn't considered in the article.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> From: Chris de Morsella [mailto:cdemorse...@...] 
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:16 PM
> To: tdemorse...@...
> Subject: Avatar watchers.. suicidal & depressed???
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
> 
>  
> 
> (CNN) -- James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have
> been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced
> depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to
> enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora.
> 
> On the fan forum site "Avatar Forums," a topic thread entitled "Ways to cope
> with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible," has received
> more than 1,000 posts from people experiencing depression and fans trying to
> help them cope. The topic became so popular last month that forum
> administrator Philippe Baghdassarian had to create a second thread so people
> could continue to post their confused feelings about the movie.
> 
> "I wasn't depressed myself. In fact the movie made me happy ," Baghdassarian
> said. "But I can understand why it made people depressed. The movie was so
> beautiful and it showed something we don't have here on Earth. I think
> people saw we could be living in a completely different world and that
> caused them to be depressed."
> 
> A post by a user called Elequin expresses an almost obsessive relationship
> with the film.
> 
> "That's all I have been doing as of late, searching the Internet for more
> info about 'Avatar.' I guess that helps. It's so hard I can't force myself
> to think that it's just a movie, and to get over it, that living like the
> Na'vi will never happen. I think I need a rebound movie," Elequin posted.
> 
> A user named Mike wrote on the fan Web site "Naviblue" that he contemplated
> suicide after seeing the movie.
> 
> "Ever since I went to see 'Avatar' I have been depressed. Watching the
> wonderful world of Pandora and all the Na'vi made me want to be one of them.
> I can't stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all
> of the tears and shivers I got from it," Mike posted. "I even contemplate
> suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to
> Pandora and the everything is the same as in 'Avatar.' "
> 
> Other fans have expressed feelings of disgust with the human race and
> disengagement with reality.
> 
> Cameron's movie, which has pulled in more than $1.4 billion in worldwide box
> office sales and could be on track to be the highest grossing film of all
> time, is set in the future when the Earth's resources have been pillaged by
> the human race. A greedy corporation is trying to mine the rare mineral
> unobtainium from the planet Pandora, which is inhabited by a peace-loving
> race of 7-foot tall, blue-skinned natives called the Na'vi.
> 
> In their race to mine for Pandora's resources, the humans clash with the
> Na'vi, leading to casualties on both sides. The world of Pandora is
> reminiscent of a prehistoric fantasyland, filled with dinosaur-like
> creatures mixed with the kinds of fauna you may find in the deep reaches of
> the ocean. Compared with life on Earth, Pandora is a beautiful, glowing
> utopia.
> 
> Ivar Hill posts to the "Avatar" forum page under the name Eltu. He wrote
> about his post-"Avatar" depression after he first saw the film earlier this
> month.
> 
> "When I woke up this morning after watching Avatar for the first time
> yesterday, the world seemed ... gray. It was like my whole life, everything
> I've done and worked for, lost its meaning," Hill wrote on the forum. "It
> just seems so ... meaningless. I still don't really see any reason to keep
> ... doing things at all. I live in a dying world."
> 
> Reached via e-mail in Sweden where he is studying game design, Hill, 17,
> explained that his feelings of despair made him desperately want to escape
> reality.
> 
> "One can say my depression was twofold: I was depressed because I really
> wanted to live in Pandora, which seemed like such a perfect place, but I was
> also depressed and disgusted with the sight of our world, what we have done
> to Earth. I so much wanted to escape reality," Hill said.
> 
> Cameron's special effects masterpiece is very lifelike, and the 3-D
> performance capture and CGI effects essentially allow the viewer 

Re: out Immortel (ad vitam) RE: [scifinoir2] Interesting Animated/rotoscoped movie "Renaissance" on IFC now

[angelababycat]

I missed it.  They should always show movies more than once just for this very 
reason!!

I picked up Immortel on DVD because is was pretty good and -- likewise -- I 
don't like to rely on being able to catch obscure titles like that on TV again. 
 (Unlike movies such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, The Matrix, Indpendence 
Day, etc. one of which is running somewhere during any given week.)

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> Tracey, "Immortel" has aired on Siffy a few times in the past year, mostly 
> late at night because of the mature subject matter. I loved it. Almost bought 
> it for myself when I fell across it back in November, but I passed. Well, my 
> nearly empty wallet passed.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@...
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:15:08 -0800
> Subject: out Immortel (ad vitam) RE: [scifinoir2] Interesting 
> Animated/rotoscoped movie "Renaissance" on IFC now
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Renaissance is
> great eye candy.  I would love to see more movies like it.  Has anyone checked
> out Immortel (ad vitam) ?  I love that film two
> 
>  
> 
> From Wikipedia
> 
>  
> 
> The film combines live action footage with computer animation,
> It is notable as being one of the first major films (along with Able Edwards,
> Casshern and Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow) to be shot entirely on a
> "digital backlot", blending live actors with computer generated
> surroundings. Immortel goes one step further than those films, however, in 
> also
> having live actors interacting with semi photo-realistic CGI "humans"
> (as opposed to films such as Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace and The
> Lord of the Rings film trilogy which featured fantasy creatures).
> 
>  
> 
> Plot summary from IMDB
> 
> This movie is set in the year 2095, hence the presence of
> mutant humans and extraterrestrials. The main character is known as Jill. She
> is not human. When she is discovered by Dr. Elma Turner she is diagnosed as
> being the most interesting genetic test subject Turner has ever come across.
> Her organs are not in the right place, she has no memory and she appears,
> biologically to be only three months old. Turner gives her a break, gives her
> an identity card and a place to stay, in exchange for being her guinea-pig to
> work on and discover more about. Nicopol is a frozen prisoner who is due to be
> released a year after the film is set. There is a problem in the prisoner ward
> and several are thrown down to grow (dying in the process), including Nicopol
> (but only his leg). There is a lot more to this story but I can't disclose it
> in this summary, I don't have the words.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:39 PM
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Interesting Animated/rotoscoped movie
> "Renaissance" on IFC now
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>  
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Warm? Funny! I
> was going to make a run to the store--got a jones for either pizza or a chili
> dog--but I can't risk the car on our fairly steep driveway. My old car battery
> died, and I already made two trips to Sears, first to tote  back a
> portable jumpstarter, then to carry the truly dead battery, then tote a new 
> one
> back. None of the neighbors was around, so I had to hoof it in the cold carry
> not unsubstantial weights. thank goodness Sears is only half a mile from the
> house!
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Renaissance looks
> very interesting. I need a second look too.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> - Original
> Message -
> 
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2010 3:46:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Interesting Animated/rotoscoped movie
> "Renaissance" on IFC now
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Allow me to begin by saying how jealous I am that it's that warm
> where you are. (A toasty 18 here as I type.)
> 
> 
> 
> And I saw it last month, one of the first things I caught after DirecTV
> finished their installation. Fun movie. Need to see it again, though, to get
> the full flavor of it.
> 
> 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
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> 
> 
> To:
> scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> From: keithbjohn...@...
> 
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:43:02 +
> 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Interesting Animated/rotoscoped movie
> "Renaissance" on IFC now
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[scifinoir2] Re: Best And Worst SF/Fantasy Movies Of 2009

[angelababycat]

I concur on all points, Smith.  

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
>
> I don't think Terminator: Salvation was a bad movie. It was a near miss that 
> might have been great if they had the guts to go with the darker alternate 
> ending.
> 
> I see Watchmen is missing from both lists. I think it's a near miss too. A 
> mistake in casting(Ozymandias) and tighter pacing could have helped it into 
> the good category.
> 
> Good list overall. The top 5 is pretty spot on.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Best And 
> > Worst SF/Fantasy Movies Of 2009
> > 
> > 
> > This was a year of extremes: huge CG-heavy spectacles and low-budget gems.
> > Most of all, 2009 made us feel the boundaries of cinema were stretched...
> > for good and ill. Here are the 10 best and 10 worst films of 2009.
> > 
> > 
> > Best:
> > 
> > 
> > 10. The Road  
> > 
> > One of the most significant SF-themed literary novels of the past decade,
> > Cormac McCarthy's post-apocalyptic epic, was adapted into an arthouse film
> > starring Viggo Mortensen and Kodi Smit-McPhee. And while the novel's themes
> > didn't quite work as well in a movie format, and we
> > 
> > had serious issues with the movie's sentimentality, we still found the
> > movie's post-apocalyptic vision compelling. In an era where the apocalypse
> > strikes inside cinema with alarming regularity, this was the grimmest and
> > most unflinching look at a world where every ounce of green, and almost
> > every spark of human kindness, has been destroyed.
> > 
> > 9. Gamer
> > 
> > This film, on the other hand, may have boasted slightly less of a literary
> > pedigree. But if you love over-the-top, crazy exploitation films with a
> > satirical edge - and we certainly do - then this tale of remote-controlled
> > killers and sexbots will surprise you. It's easy to see why Gamer never got
> > its props: It's crude, nasty, and full of day-glo wigs. But its plot, about
> > a new biotech called "Nanex" that can replace your brain cells with
> > remote-control devices that can never be removed, is creepy. And the
> > architect of this evil scheme to own your brain? Is Dexter (Michael C.
> > Hall). Who does
> >   a
> > song-and-dance number about how much he enjoys yanking your synapses around.
> > Really.
> > 
> > 8. Coraline
> > 
> > Veering back towards literary adaptations, there's Henry Sellick's gorgeous
> > version of Neil Gaiman's Hugo award-winning horror/fantasy book. Forget
> > Avatar - this was the most visually striking use of 3-D this year, and it
> > was in the service of a story that felt like a classic fairy tale.
> > 
> > 7. Drag Me To Hell  
> > 
> > Thank goodness Sam Raimi decided to take a break from Spider-Man movies and
> > return to his horror roots, with this amazingly snarky, Evil Dead-esque
> > journey into the heart of class insecurity. Charlene, a young loan officer
> > at a bank, is desperate to advance up the corporate ladder and escape her
> > hick past, not to mention impress her boyfriend's snobbish family. So she
> > decides to deny a home loan to an old woman - who turns out to be the wrong
> > person to mess with. As we said in our
> >   review,
> > "Like all good horror, Drag Me To Hell takes real-life fears, dresses them
> > up in blood-soaked costumes, and sets them running."
> > 
> > 6. Paranormal   Activity
> > 
> > As we mentioned, this was the year of low-budget movies that focused on a
> > few unforgettable characters, and this film managed to turn a low budget
> > into maximum scariness. As we
> >   wrote
> > in our review, "Nothing ever felt like padding or gratuitous "we're going to
> > amp up the tension with cheap jolts" bullshit. The terror was raw and real -
> > all the more so because it was so understated." But the real horror in this
> > film is the dysfunctional relationship at its core, between a woman stalked
> > by a demon and the boyfriend whose antics wind up making things much worse.
> > 
> > 5. Zombieland
> > 
> > This post-apocalyptic comedy swept us away with its cool style points -
> > Columbus' rules for surviving the zombie apocalypse, Tallahassee's creative
> > zombie-killing techniques - but it really won us over with its clever
> > romance between Columbus and Wichita, and the way it conveyed the experience
> > of geeky coming of age against a chaotic backdrop. Like all the best road
> > movies, it's about the journey.
> > 
> > 4. Avatar
> > 
> > James Cameron's long-awaited out-of-body-experience movie was eve

[scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for "Survivors"

[angelababycat]

It originally aired in 1984.  I was a teenager and it freaked me out. 
As the story unfolded, you were told things about the post-fallout
time-line like how many died from radiation poisoning in 1 week, in 1
month, etc., when all the canned food ran out, changing environmental
conditions, when the last trees died, how governments tried to maintain
control, etc., and, lastly, when ... [well that's the final scene of the
movie and I don't want to give it away--see the end of this email if you
want to fill in the blank].  It goes on like that for 15 years. 
Everyone was glued to the TV.  Here's Amazon's summary of Threads
(better than IMDb's):

The original BBC drama that shocked a generation. Set in the paranoia of
nuclear war, this chilling BAFTA-award winning BBC2 drama was aired
causing outrage and anxiety amongst the viewing public due to its
graphic and realistic storytelling of a possible nuclear strike. After
its initial airing Threads became a national talking point and became a
powerful and terrifying glimpse into a post holocaust world after a
devastating nuclear bomb. Even more terrifying was that this 'drama'
could in fact easily become a living nightmare. Set in Sheffield, the
story follows Ruth and her fiancee who are looking forward to beginning
a new life with a baby and a new flat when suddenly the unthinkable
happens and the world is suddenly erupted into a full scale nuclear war.
After the attack the landscape is changed dramatically with the
survivors scavenging through the devastation and corpses, trying to
forage what they can; nurses in hospitals unable to do anything other
than comfort the dying; and a society is descended back to its most
basic level.

Wikipedia has a detailed story outline too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads> .



SPOILER FROM ABOVE: ...when it becomes apparent that the world's viable
reproduction rate has dropped to zero.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
wrote:
>
> I am so there. I have heard great things. It will be good to see the
girl
> who played Martha in Doctor who again.
>
> I have not seen or heard anything about threads. When did it air?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of angelababycat
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:41 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for
"Survivors"
>
> It's on my calendar now too! Thanks.
>
> Weren't we all recently discussing wanting a show that would pick up
where
> movies like 2012 leave off? At the time I asked if anyone had seen the
1984
> PBS movie Threads. It was pretty provacative. Anyone else remeber it?
>
> Angela
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" tdlists@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > BBC America Announces Launch Date for "Survivors"
> >
> >
> > BBC America <http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/> has announced
the
> > launch date for post-apocalyptic drama series Survivors
> > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/> . The much-delayed Survivors
> > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/> , which is an adaptation of
the
> cult
> > classic 1970s series (itself based on Terry Nation
> > <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0622334/> 's novel), will have its Us
premiere
> > on Saturday, February 13th at 8 pm Et/Pt, before shifting to its
regular
> > timeslot at 9 pm Et/Pt the following week. The series tracks the
> adventures
> > of a group of people who survive a global viral holocaust that wipes
out
> 99
> > percent of the human race's population and who struggle to stay
alive in
> the
> > face of unspeakable odds following this global catastrophe. In the
> official
> > scheduling announcement, BBC
<http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/>
> > America refers to the "twelve-episode season" of Survivors
> > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/> , which is a sign that the
digital
> > cabler intend to air the first two UK seasons of Survivors
> > <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/> back-to-back. Season One,
which
> > aired in the UK in 2008, was comprised of six episodes and the
second
> season
> > of >
> >
> > - Jace
> >
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1157595/news#ni1324874
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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[scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for "Survivors"

[angelababycat]

It's on my calendar now too!  Thanks.

Weren't we all recently discussing wanting a show that would pick up where 
movies like 2012 leave off?  At the time I asked if anyone had seen the 1984 
PBS movie Threads.  It was pretty provacative.  Anyone else remeber it?

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> 
> BBC America Announces Launch Date for "Survivors"
> 
> 
> BBC America   has announced the
> launch date for post-apocalyptic drama series Survivors
>  . The much-delayed Survivors
>  , which is an adaptation of the cult
> classic 1970s series (itself based on Terry Nation
>  's novel), will have its Us premiere
> on Saturday, February 13th at 8 pm Et/Pt, before shifting to its regular
> timeslot at 9 pm Et/Pt the following week. The series tracks the adventures
> of a group of people who survive a global viral holocaust that wipes out 99
> percent of the human race's population and who struggle to stay alive in the
> face of unspeakable odds following this global catastrophe. In the official
> scheduling announcement, BBC 
> America refers to the "twelve-episode season" of Survivors
>  , which is a sign that the digital
> cabler intend to air the first two UK seasons of Survivors
>   back-to-back. Season One, which
> aired in the UK in 2008, was comprised of six episodes and the second season
> of > 
> 
> - Jace
> 
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1157595/news#ni1324874
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Sexy Blue Women

[angelababycat]

I thought Neytiri was really cool and Mystique is a close 2nd.  BUT, as a 
woman, if I had to pick one to be, Smurfette wins hands down due to the 
guy-girl ratio.  Neytiri still had to hunt for her food, and Mystique and the 
rest of the blue chics are always having to fight somebody.  (Heck, that's my 
life now.) Smurfette didn't have to do anything but watch smurfs drool over her 
all day.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> This sounds a lot like a topic I posted earlier this week to another group.
> It was basically which cartoon character did you find sexy.
> 
> I think Mystique could fulfill any man's fantasy. She was sexy in her normal
> form, but she has the ability to be super flexible and she can shape shift.
> She can also hold her own in a fight. You can't beat that. :)
> 
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
> tdli...@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >  Sexy Blue Women  James Cameron
> > has talked a great deal about how he designed Neytiri, *Avatar*'s main
> > female character, to be incredibly sexy. But is she really the sexiest blue
> > woman you've ever seen? We take a look at the competition.
> >
> > [image:
> > http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/12/zoe-saldana-as-neytiri.jpg]
> > *Neytiri (Avatar):* She's tough as carbon-reinforced nails, a crack
> > hunter, and could crush you with her bare hands. Plus, she's been
> > specifically engineered by James Cameron to make you want to sleep with her.
> >
> > [image: 
> > http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/500x_mystique.jpg]
> > *Mystique (X-Men):* She's a shapeshifting spy and powerful leader against
> > the world's anti-mutant forces, though her ethics are questionable. And
> > let's not forget her statuesque appearance, one that demanded Rebecca Romijn
> > play her in the movies.
> >
> > [image:
> > http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/12/nocturne_taliawagner__head.jpg]
> > *Nocturne (Marvel):* Mystique's granddaughter by an alternate reality
> > Nightcrawler and Scarlet Witch, Nocturne has inherited her father's strange
> > physiology (right down to the tail). On top of that, she shares
> > Nightcrawler's acrobatic abilities and is a master contortionist.
> >
> > [image:
> > http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/12/smurfs_tv_show_surprised_smurfette_01.jpg]
> > *Smurfette (The Smurfs):* She's cute, and despite being created as an evil
> > creature by Gargamel, manages to overcome her nature and become a happy
> > Smurfing Smurf. Plus, the entire Smurf village is in love with her â€"
> > although that may have more to do with her status as the sole female Smurf
> > than her inherent appeal.
> >
> > [image:
> > http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/500x_talas-official-wallpaper-star-trek-enterprise-7090911-800-600_01.jpg]
> > *Talas (Enterprise):* If you prefer a woman who's handy with a phaser,
> > Talas might be your blue gal. The Andorian lieutenant isn't above using her
> > feminine wiles to get the job done, but failing that, she's more than ready
> > to fight.
> >
> > [image:
> > http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/500x_saberwiki_swcreators_aayla_secura_aayla.jpg]
> > *Aayla Secura (Star Wars):* Twi'lek's are considered especially beautiful
> > by the various peoples of the galaxy far, far away â€" something that has 
> > left
> > them both tragically vulnerable to slavery and powerful in the art of
> > seduction. Aayla Secura pairs her appearance with great strength in the
> > Force, rising to Jedi Master and fighting in the Clone Wars.
> >
> > [image: http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/12/zhaan01.jpg]*Zhaan
> > (Farscape):* Yes, she belongs to a species of sentient plants, but Zhaan
> > is as hot-blooded as any being on the far side of the universe. She's a
> > priestess and a revolutionary, as skilled with meditation as she is with
> > making bombs. Just don't get on her bad side; Zhaan murdered the man she saw
> > as a traitor to her people, even though he was her own lover.
> >
> > [image:
> > http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/12/080808masseffect.jpg]*Liara
> > T'Soni (Mass Effect):* Technically, the Asari are neither male nor female,
> > though to humans they generally appear female and they can mate with any
> > gender of any species. In *Mass Effect* , Liara is a wealth of information
> > on Prothean technology, but one of the game's more memorable scenes is when
> > she mates with the protagonist.
> >
> > [image:
> > http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/12/398px-exiles_47image_big.jpg]
> > *Namora (Exiles):* In her home reality, the Atlantean Queen Namora is the
> > most powerfu

[scifinoir2] What other movies have done as well in creating an alien world?

[angelababycat]

Another point re Avatar: the movie did a great job of emersing you in the world 
of Pandora and spent a lot of time (and CGI budget I presume) on creating 
realistic flora and fauna in the background and 3D foreground of almost every 
sence.  So I'm trying to think of other movies that have done as well in 
creating an alien world?  Anyone?

Angela

[scifinoir2] Re: When Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?

[angelababycat]

Well, I beat the blizard and saw Avatar yesterday afternoon.  Besides the 
Digital 3-D killing my eyes after about 45 minutes, yes, this was the one thing 
that irked me about the story: same old average white guy to the rescue (or 
Will Smith--I could see him in this role easily), accomplishing things even the 
greatest and bravest of the natives had not, and attracting the girl who could 
have any native man she wanted.  It was truly annoying.  

But it also was a beautiful, beautiful movie to watch, and delivered the 
standard on-the-edge-of-your-seat scifi/action movie suspense to keep you 
engaged mentally and visually a la Mel Gibson's Apocalypto. I loved it and look 
forward to getting the DVD so I can see it in HD without the eye strain.  

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> 
> When
>  r>  Will White People Stop Making Movies Like "Avatar"?
> 
> 
>  
> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/500x_naviwhiteguilt.jpgCriti
> cs have called alien epic Avatar a version of Dances With Wolves because
> it's about a white guy going native and becoming a great leader. But Avatar
> is just the latest scifi rehash of an old white guilt fantasy. Spoilers...
> 
> Whether Avatar is racist is a matter for debate. Regardless of where you
> come down on that question, it's undeniable that the film - like alien
> apartheid flick District 9, released earlier this year - is emphatically a
> fantasy about race. Specifically, it's a fantasy about race told from the
> point of view of white people  . Avatar and
> scifi films like it give us the opportunity to answer the question: What do
> white people fantasize about when they fantasize about racial identity?
> 
> Avatar imaginatively revisits the crime scene of white America's
> foundational act of genocide, in which entire native tribes and
> civilizations were wiped out by European immigrants to the American
> continent. In the film, a group of soldiers and scientists have set up shop
> on the verdant moon Pandora, whose landscapes look like a cross between
> Northern California's redwood cathedrals and Brazil's tropical rainforest.
> The moon's inhabitants, the Na'vi, are blue, catlike versions of native
> people: They wear feathers in their hair, worship nature gods, paint their
> faces for war, use bows and arrows, and live in tribes. Watching the movie,
> there is really no mistake that these are alien versions of stereotypical
> native peoples that we've seen in Hollywood movies for decades.
> 
> And Pandora is clearly supposed to be the rich, beautiful land America could
> still be if white people hadn't paved it over with concrete and strip malls.
> In Avatar, our white hero Jake Sully (sully - get it?) explains that Earth
> is basically a war-torn wasteland with no greenery or natural resources
> left. The humans started to colonize Pandora in order to mine a mineral
> called unobtainium that can serve as a mega-energy source. But a few of
> these humans don't want to crush the natives with tanks and bombs, so they
> wire their brains into the bodies of Na'vi avatars and try to win the
> natives' trust. Jake is one of the team of avatar pilots, and he discovers
> to his surprise that he loves his life as a Na'vi warrior far more than he
> ever did his life as a human marine.
> 
>  
> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/500x_avatarwhiteguilt.jpg
> 
> Jake is so enchanted that he gives up on carrying out his mission, which is
> to persuade the Na'vi to relocate from their "home tree," where the humans
> want to mine the unobtanium. Instead, he focuses on becoming a great warrior
> who rides giant birds and falls in love with the chief's daughter. When the
> inevitable happens and the marines arrive to burn down the Na'vi's home
> tree, Jake switches sides. With the help of a few human renegades, he
> maintains a link with his avatar body in order to lead the Na'vi against the
> human invaders. Not only has he been assimilated into the native people's
> culture, but he has become their leader.
> 
> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/io9/2009/12/danceswolveswhiteguilt.jpg
> This is a classic scenario you've seen in non-scifi epics from Dances With
> Wolves to The Last Samurai, where a white guy manages to get himself
> accepted into a closed society of people of color and eventually becomes its
> most awesome member. But it's also, as I indicated earlier, very similar in
> some ways to District 9. In that film, our (anti)hero Wikus is trying to
> relocate a shantytown of aliens to a region far outside Johannesburg. When
> he's accidentally squirted with fluid from an alien technology, he begins
> turning into one of the aliens against his will. Deformed an

[scifinoir2] Re: Tv: Howl's moving castle

[angelababycat]

I stumbled across the movie earlier this fall and loved the animation too.  
What else has he done?

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> Love Hayao Miyazaki's animation.  Have set my DVR.  Thanks for the heads up!
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > IFC is airing this movie on 12/29 in regular and in HD.
> > 
> > --
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: 'Princess' star reduced to tears

[angelababycat]

I can relate to Anika's feelings.  Even before my daughter was born, I said I 
wouldn't buy any Disney stuff because I didn't feel it projected any positive 
images, etc, etc.  And I've stuck to that -- up until last week at Toys R Us 
when I stumbled across a Princess and the Frog bed set.  My eyes instantly 
welled up with tears.  Totally caught me off gaurd! I guess I never REALLY 
realized how much it bothered me not to have an AA princess to show her until 
that moment. (Of course I bought the darn thing, which was WAY over-priced.)  
Mocha Moms is having special "Pink Carpet" showings of the movie across the 
country.  One of the DC showings just annouced moving to a larger theater to 
increase capacity to 350.  All the little girls are supposed to dress up like 
princesses.  Imagine the photo ops--might be a first?  We have our tickets and 
I can't wait.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "brent wodehouse"  
wrote:
>
> http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/2009/12/04/12041171-sun.html
> 
> 'Princess' star reduced to tears
> 
> By KEVIN WILLIAMSON -- Sun Media
> 
> 
> LOS ANGELES -- Mickey Mouse may be black and white, but that doesn't make
> Disney's The Princess and the Frog any less of a landmark.
> 
> Yes, the titular frog is green. But for a studio famed for Snow White,
> Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty, it's the identity of its newest princess
> that reduced its star, Anika Noni Rose, to tears. The character she
> voices, Tiana, is African-American.
> 
> "I just started crying. Even talking about it now, I'm such a wuss," says
> the 37-year-old actress, recalling the first time she saw her animated
> alter-ego projected on a big screen at a New York toy fair.
> 
> "It was the most amazing, awesome. I don't even know if I have real words
> for it ... This is something I've always dreamed of doing."
> 
> Yet even while this self-described "Disney geek" dreamed as a child, she
> remained realistic.
> 
> "I do remember wondering to myself whether there would ever be a Chocolate
> Brown and not just Snow White. I mean, they named it (Snow White)! But I
> didn't necessarily feel deprived. When you're a child, you don't know.
> You're living in your world."
> 
> Voicing Tiana, not surprisingly, exceeds all expectations, she says. "I
> could have been a dandelion and I would have been really happy. So this is
> like when your dreams take off and become bigger than what you had
> imagined."
> 
> In the musical comedy, which will also mark the comeback of 2D hand-drawn
> animation when it opens Friday, Tiana is a waitress in 1920s, jazz-fuelled
> New Orleans whose lifelong ambition is to open her own restaurant. But
> those plans -- and everything else -- are derailed when she meets a
> Brazilian prince (Bruno Campos) who has been transformed into a frog by a
> Voodoo-wielding con man.
> 
> But instead of returning the prince to human form when she kisses him,
> she's turned into a frog as well. Together, the amphibious pair, aided by
> a trumpet-playing alligator and a Cajun firefly, fight to reverse the
> spell.
> 
> For Terrence Howard, who voices Tiana's caring hard-working father, the
> role presents obvious parallels both to the present-day political
> landscape and his own personal life.
> 
> "When they began production on this film, the initial talks on this film,
> Barack Obama wasn't in the White House. So it's very apropos we have two
> African-American princesses at the same time this movie is coming out.
> It's a happy accident, a wonderful coincidence. But there's always been
> nobility in every culture and every race, just the same way there's
> geniuses in every culture and every race. It's nice to have Disney
> platform that."
> 
> He adds, "It's also one of the easiest roles I've ever done because I've
> got two daughters who are my princesses ... (Playing the part) came from a
> natural inclination to teach my own children."
> 
> Still, The Princess and the Frog remains a showcase for Rose, who appeared
> in Dreamgirls, won a Tony for the Broadway musical, Caroline, Or Change
> and starred in the HBO series The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency. None of
> those roles compare to the impact -- culturally and on her career -- The
> Princess and the Frog may present. And she admits she still isn't prepared
> to be called a role model for young girls.
> 
> "That's difficult. I'm honoured that people would think of me as a role
> model. On the other hand, I think that it's sort of dangerous to choose a
> person and lift them up so high -- because you know, I'm going to play a
> role that somebody doesn't like. At some point, they're going to be like,
> 'She was awful!' I think if we can separate those things and think I like
> how she handles her career and how she handles herself as a person, then
> I'm honoured."
> 
> She believes the film itself will "mean different things to different
> people, as they sit in that theatre. It will mean different things,
> depending on what time they grew up in

[scifinoir2] Re: Are humans holding back technological development?

[angelababycat]

Part of what holds back technology is also cultural lag.  See this discussion 
from Wikipedia: 

"The term cultural lag refers to the notion that culture takes time to catch up 
with technological innovations, and that social problems and conflicts are 
caused by this lag. As explained by Dr. James W. Woodward, when the material 
conditions change, changes are occasioned in the adaptive culture, but these 
changes in the adaptive culture do not synchronize exactly with the change in 
the material culture, this delay is the culture lag. [1] The term was coined by 
sociologist William F. Ogburn in his 1922 work Social change with respect to 
culture and original nature.[2] His theory of cultural lag suggests that a 
period of maladjustment occurs when the non-material culture is struggling to 
adapt to new material conditions.[3] This resonates with ideas of technological 
determinism, in that it presupposes that technology has independent effects on 
society at large.

According to Ogburn, cultural lag is a common societal phenomenon due to the 
tendency of material culture to evolve and change rapidly and voluminously 
while non-material culture tends to resist change and remain fixed for a far 
longer period of time. [4] Due to the opposing nature of these two aspects of 
culture, adaptation of new technology becomes rather difficult. This 
distinction between material and non-material culture is also a contribution of 
Ogburn's 1922 work on social change.[2]

Cultural lag creates problems for a society in a multitude of ways. The issue 
of cultural lag tends to permeate any discussion in which the implementation of 
some new technology is a topic. For example, the advent of stem cell research 
has given rise to many new, potentially beneficial medical technologies; 
however these new technologies have also raised serious ethical questions about 
the use of stem cells in medicine. Cultural lag is seen as a critical ethical 
issue because failure to develop broad social consensus on appropriate 
applications of modern technology may lead to breakdowns in social solidarity 
and the rise of social conflict. [5]"

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Human behavior seems to have a big influence on if an invention will be
> popular enough to exist and become ubiquitous or not. Often it is not the
> want for a better technology, but for what is the cheapest technology that
> really drives the market. For example, a few years after the incandescent
> light bulb was invented, the florescent light bulb was created. Although it
> is a better technology, it took nearly 120 years before the florescent bulbs
> caught on.
> 
> Here is a second example. The electric hybrid car was invented in 1899 by
> Ferdinand Porsche. In the beginning the technology although in its early
> development stages proved that the technology worked, but was also reliable.
> Porsche's electric hybrid technology went on to be used by trucking
> companies in France and Germany. It took 100 years later for it to make
> inroads to being mainstream.
> 
> We have seen it played out over and over again. For example, VHS over Beta,
> Coke over Pepsi, PC over Mac, Atari over Amiga on and on. Many technologies
> that were skipped over or forgotten in the beginning end up finding a new
> life many years later down the road where scientists had to make a U turn
> and start down a new path.
> 
> Are we, the human collective, our worst enemy when it comes to our own
> development?
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: SyFy'sAlice - A Review

[angelababycat]

I only made it half-way through Tin Man.  Just too drawn out I suppose (as 
mentioned in Keith's USA Today post).  I loved 10th Kingdom, though I also 
nodded through the last 2 parts.  Sounds like Alice is going to fall somewhere 
in between in terms of treatment, and in fewer hours.  So I'm tuning in!

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> 
> SyFy's
>  obsession>  "Alice" - Warning: May Contain Your Next British Obsession
> 
> 
>  
> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/500x_hatter.jpgThis weekend
> Syfy is taking a trip through a very modern looking glass
>  , complete with romance, casinos and lots
> of fighting. So is this Wonderland worth revisiting? Check out our spoiler
> free Alice review.
> 
> We were sent an extremely early edit of the film, so I'm not making a final
> judgment on the two-day mini movie until it airs, but what I did watch I got
> a excited about.
> 
> Here's the premise: Alice is a no-nonsense commitment-phobe and karate
> instructor. So yeah she kicks ass, and a lot, for better or worse. Strong
> armed Alice falls for one of her students who sneaks her some sort of
> magical ring and is promptly kidnapped. Alice follows her boytoy through the
> looking glass and is transported to Wonderland. But Wonderland has changed.
> It's now a dirty world that looks strangely like Vancouver. Alice soon
> learns that the Queen of Hearts is kidnapping humans and imprisoning them in
> her casino, siphoning off their happy emotions and selling them to the
> inhabitants of Wonderland. Thus making her beloved, for providing the quick
> fix, as well as rich.
> 
> Alice meets the Hatter in one of these emotion dens and the two strike a
> deal to go and save her boyfriend, who has presumably been kidnapped by the
> Queen for emotion harvesting. If I tell you more we'll get into spoiler
> territory, but there are plenty more twists and turns. It also gets pretty
> heavy with the family issues and inner love turmoil for poor Alice. In fact
> it really reminded me of a shorter and less in-depth version of the TV movie
> The 10th Kingdom, which I adored. So even coming close to that is a good
> thing.
> 
>  
> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/500x_alice-04-tim-curry.jpg
> 
> 
> Plus the cast is just bafflingly great. Tim Curry plays the Dodo, Kathy
> Bates is the Queen of Hearts, Harry Dean Stanton is the Caterpillar, and
> Colm Meaney is the King of Hearts. Those names alone are worth tuning in
> for. You won't want to miss watch Tim Curry walk around with his stomach
> forward, Dodo-style. Sure, I could mention that Curry really pushes the
> level of running and screaming that I can take from him, and that Kathy
> Bates seemed like she was sporting dead face for most of the movie, but
> they're are small issues.
> 
> But the real standout was Andrew Lee Potts' Hatter. Call me a sucker for
> British heroes who wear funny suits and like to throw their weight around,
> but I couldn't rip my eyes off of the Hatter when he was on screen. Almost
> to the detriment of Alice. Potts is familiar with the scifi world, having
> starred in the BBC's Primeval, but he really hits his stride here. And while
> I was watching him on a version that needed copious edits and tweaks, I
> still really enjoyed watching him try to elevate the story and dialogue he
> was handed. Yes, making the Hatter a cute hipster is a little eye rolling,
> but he made it work. Potts really attempted to sell some of his totally
> implausible actions he was taken in by the script. You heard it here first:
> If Matt Smith the new Doctor crashes and burns, certainly wouldn't be any
> worse off with Potts. But that's just hopeful projecting on my part.
> 
>  
> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/500x_alice-02-matt-frewer.jp
> g
> 
> 
> So the bottom line: I'm tuning in. I'm anxious to see what the home of Matt
> Frewer's dimwitted White Knight looks like, as it's merely described as a
> chessboard forest kingdom. Along with the flying jetski-like flamingo sky
> cars, and the Queen's casino once the FX are all finished. Plus I wouldn't
> miss the opportunity to watch Andrew Lee Potts make me reassess my staunch
> views on men who wear guyliner.
> 
>  
> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/12/500x_alice-03-zak-santiago.j
> pg
> 
> 
> Even though some of the story did feel a bit pushed here and there, and the
> plot was in an eternal loop of running to the casino and escaping, then
> running back, and escaping, the characters, settings, costumes and actors
> make this worth you

[scifinoir2] Re: So what did you think about SGU this week

[angelababycat]

I liked the ending as well.  I hope they are going to tie-up all these loose 
endings in 2010, though: the 3 crew members that went through the gate to an 
unknown address, that pod that disconnected from the ship, and now Rush.  
Considering the slow pace thus far, I wonder if they'll be able to wrap all of 
that up in the 10 remaining eps for the season.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> I liked it as well, Tracey, and that gives me a measure of hope that the show 
> may pick up after the break. I don't think that Rush is out of the picture by 
> any means. I expect him to fix that alien ship and show up, just when they 
> least expect it. That'll be trouble for Colonel Young...
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
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> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; ggs...@...
> From: tdli...@...
> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 00:38:06 -0800
> Subject: [scifinoir2] So what did you think about SGU this week
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[scifinoir2] Re: SGU this week 11/20/09

[angelababycat]

Tracey, I feel you re wanting you sci-fi fix.  When you sit down to watch your 
shows, you want them to satisfy your expectations for good sci-fi, good drama, 
good special effects, and all that.  I was a BIG fan of SG1 and whould have to 
comb through my entire DVD collection to find eps that were as disappointing.  
Some of that Ori stuff towards the end was pretty weak, but by then at least I 
had 8 or so years to get to know and love the characters due to the good 
writing up to that point.  They could have just had the SG1 team sitting in the 
mess hall making witty remarks and I'd be happy. I was locked in. Ah! Maybe the 
writters think that sentiment transfers to SGU.  But it doesn't.

Plus, a few of my shows like Vampire Diaries and Superhunk -- I mean 
Supernatural (I don't know why I keep doing that) -- are already dark until 
late January.  All I'll have to sustain me is those 20 hours of the original 
"V" series I DVR'd.  By January (or whenever), SGU and everyone else is going 
to have to bring it because after 2 months of nothing but lip gloss, big hair 
and guys in tight jeans, I'll be poised for easy disappointment.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> Listen.  I’m probably going to watch it to get my scifi fix,but we have 
> seen with syfy’s other shows that diehards may not be enough to keep the 
> ratings up. However, there may be enough die hard stargate fans and I believe 
> that syfy is committed to this franchise more than others.  But I wonder, 
> since they are working so hard to go dark, if the die hard fans, who do not 
> seem to need a serious script will hang around for all the aimless darkness
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:13 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] SGU this week 11/20/09
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> It could be that they hired some inexperienced people to write the first 
> couple of episodes (minus the pilot) to see if the show will get picked up 
> for the rest of the season. According to the gossip they are planning to do 
> 20 episodes this year. 
> 
> The die hard fans will hang on until the show is canceled. Could it be that 
> the  fans that love this show are so used to poor quality writing that they 
> think lapses like this is ok? Or is it that they don't know any better 
> because they never saw or read anything good before? 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Tracey de Morsella  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I’m not a fiction writer, but I think most fiction writers would see an 
> alien device that has not been seen in this decades old universe (Startgate), 
> two episodes with videos to home, flashbacks, and psych evaluations as cheap 
> plot devices used by the lazy and the talentless because they do not want to 
> do the work of developing characters.   Out of eight episodes, you have six 
> of them build around when is considered by many to be cheap plot devices.  By 
> themselves they are not a problem, but when they dominate as a way to tell a 
> story throughout the course of the series, there is a big problem.   
> 
>  
> 
> All the things you have said about the device are glaringly true.   But from 
> my point of view, there are more serious issues at work here. Their lack of 
> understanding about how people would react to strangers claiming to be loved 
> ones or to strangers allowing the use of their bodies for recreational 
> purposes, in my view, is another symptom of a large scale problem.That is 
> a serious lapse, but one of many.
> 
>  
> 
> My point about the season break is that they have been laying down all this 
> back story and character development in very awkward and amateurish ways and 
> now the season is over for months .  More talented writers lay down the back 
> story and more seamlessly as part of the story â€" while pushing the story 
> along.  It’s almost like they have not gotten around to really start 
> telling the story yet.
> 
>  
> 
> So here we are half-way through the season and we are still “getting set 
> up”  To make things worse, we will not likely see another episode probably 
> until next spring. Many people are already starting to lose interest.   I 
> think they will see a dramatic loss of audience.  God forbid one of the other 
> networks show up with some serious competition.  
> 
>  
> 
> I wanted to like it, it has a lot of potential, It looks like they paid 
> attention to Battlestar, but maybe Stargate people are not ready for prime 
> time when in comes to human drama.  I really do not know, and I hope I am 
> wrong because I need my scifi fix.
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 6:48 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] SGU this week 11/20/09
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> Well it is the mid-se

[scifinoir2] Re: "2012" Review from the AP - No Spoilers (as if that matters); RunPee.com

[angelababycat]

It's a site that lists the best 4 minute slot(s) during a movie to use the 
restroom.  It also provides a description of what you'll miss during those 
breakes.  You print out the page and take it with you to the movie so you know. 
 

The guy says he's also working with Apple for a iPhone app so you can download 
the info once you're already in the movie.

People are also allowed to submit their own recommendations.

If the page won't load, just Google it--it's one of those addresses that 
doesn't have the "www" in it.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> That intriguingly-named website didn't load for me. Not sure if that's a bad 
> thing. :) 
> 
> As for bathroom breaks, I take my own food to the theatre, so I can control 
> salt content and drink size and all. I usually take a jacket and stuff drinks 
> in the pockets, a bag of cookies, etc., then use my wife's "movie purse" to 
> load up sandwiches and popcorn from home. Not only is it cheaper, but it 
> tastes better than the popcorn in ninety percent of the theatres, made as it 
> is by those indifferent teens! 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "angelababycat"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:43:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "2012" Review from the AP - No Spoilers (as if that 
> matters); RunPee.com 
> 
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> 
> I saw 2012 this afternoon, depsite the "mixed" reviews. I just wanted to see 
> some special effects and decompress/veg-out for a few hours. If you were 
> entertained by The Day After Tomorrow, I think you'll get your $10 worth, 
> leave the theater relaxed, then never really think about the movie again. 
> 
> I DID almost have a stroke trying to make it through the film without going 
> to the restroom. I get so sick of that -- but who can resist the glistening 
> cool bucket of soda they give you to wash down that trough of salty, chemical 
> coated popcorn? So this evening I Googled my way to RunPee.com : 
> http://runpee.com/#app=5c9d&e1bd-RunPeeID=247.546.0&e785-selectedIndex=0 . I 
> think I'll be using it from now on! 
> 
> Angela 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Man, I suspect this review is better than the movie! There are lots of 
> > funny one-liners in the review that had me laughing out loud. Danny Glover 
> > standing in for Morgan Freeman to play the Prez? The star's ex-wife's new 
> > rich boyfriend not long for this world, and we're expected to hate him 
> > because he drives a Porsche? Neutrinos, "that old action movie villain"? 
> > Hilarious! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > After Independence Day--arguably Emerich's best film--i was pretty much 
> > done with him. I like mindless action flicks as much as the next person, 
> > but nothing in his later work has made me want to shell out the ducats to 
> > see them--not even the thought of seeing good FX on the big screen. Sounds 
> > as if this flick is more of the same, with good actors in a CGI/FX-fest 
> > that's just silly. Does Emerich's stuff at least rise to the level of the 
> > cheesy disaster flicks of the Irwin Allen days: Towering Inferno, The 
> > Poseidon Adventure, Earthquake, etc? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > And by the way, the reviewer says that solar explosions result in a surge 
> > of neutrinos which heat up the Earth's core, leading to disaster. I hope 
> > that's just him getting it wrong. I really hope Emerich didn't spend all 
> > that dough on a movie, and miss something as basic as the fact that 
> > neutrinos pretty much don't interact with matter in a meaningful way. I 
> > mean, trillions have passed through me in the time it's taken to write 
> > this, and my core hasn't overheated. There's simply no known way for 
> > neutrinos to do what he's contending. Why not just go with sunspots and 
> > massive solar flares as the cause of the Apocalypse? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ** 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Review: The end not soon enough for '2012' 
> > By JAKE COYLE 
> > 
> > 
> > The Associated Press 
> > 
> > 
> > This, too, is the micro-level drama of "2012," the latest nihilistic 
> > disaster flick to revel in the destruction of the planet. John Cusack plays 
> > the castoff father (Jackso

[scifinoir2] Re: SGU Thoughts

[angelababycat]

This week's ep was definitely better than the first few.  It was because the 
story was interesting, not because I like the characters any better.  But it 
was still enjoyable.

And, Keith, I agree that it's crazy that the ship can't receive basic commands 
from the crew.  Why is the ship so fracking big, have air scrubbers, stop for 
water, etc. if it's not expected to accomodate living beings and/or their 
changes in plan?  IF this was SG-1 or SG-Atlantis, Col. Carter or Dr. McK would 
have used those stones to come on board and address all the programming 
glitches with their laptop in like 1 or 2 eps.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> If she gets pregnant by Telford's body, it can't be Young's genetically 
> because only his *mind* would be in Telford's body at that time. But man 
> would that be messed up? 
> What do you think about the other stuff I mentioned, such as how Destiny can 
> be told things like "Stop at the next planet so we can get water", but not 
> things like "Stop the **! 12-hour countdown!", or, "Stop so the shuttle can 
> dock!"? 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "angelababycat"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 10:13:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: SGU Thoughts 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I agree with Tracey's theroy about Young's wife and Telford too. I bet she'll 
> end up pregnant by Telford's body, but the baby will be Young's genetically! 
> 
> Sadly, this week's drama around the communication devices was the most 
> interesting part of the SERIES for me so far. I'm sticking with it, but the 
> eps are sitting unwatched in the DVR longer and longer each week. 
> 
> Angela 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "B Smith"  wrote: 
> > 
> > That was my take as well. Although the last scene leaves it in the air. Was 
> > that the case or is he just a real bastard and taking advantage of the 
> > situation? 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I think Telford and Young’s wife were already getting it on. That 
> > > might be why he is so hostile toward the colonel, aspecially since the 
> > > wife knew Young had an affair with the medic. He probably came to the 
> > > door to find out why she was sleeping with the husband when she was 
> > > supposed to be with him. Serious soap opera, huh? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What do you mean about Anderson eating? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> > > Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:41 PM 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] SGU Thoughts 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > And Colonel Young having sex with his estranged wife while in the body of 
> > > Colonel Telford---huh? Now, while I get that Young would want to get with 
> > > his ex--she's gorgeous!--isn't it a bit weird to do it in the body of a 
> > > guy he clearly dislikes? And I don't know about you, but isn't a bit odd 
> > > to think of your wife *liking* another man's body making love to her? I'm 
> > > pretty damn sure that, once back on the ship, I'd be thinking about that, 
> > > and I'd start having real doubts about exactly *w ho* the wife was 
> > > reacting to, you know? And, as evidenced by Telford knocking on her door 
> > > at the end of the show, I'd be *real* concerned she might start liking 
> > > his *body* regardless of whose mind is in it! 
> > > 
> > > And one last thing--what the hell has Richard Dean Anderson been eating 
> > > in the last couple of years?? 
> > > 
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Roland Emmerich confirms plans for a 2012 TV show

[angelababycat]

The thing is, regardless of how THIS movie fares, I've walked out of various 
such movies saying I'd like to see what happens next, how they find resources 
to survive, rebuild, repopulate, etc.  Does anyone remember "Threads" -- a PBS 
mini-series in the 80's that follows humanity 15 or so years after a nuclear 
disaster?  I believe it was a British production.  It was excellent and I've 
searched in vain to find it on video or DVD.

Well, I've run out of things to do, so I guess I'll go watch SGU now...

Angela  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> The difference is that there is hype around 2012 in the pseudo-science
> community that existed for some time. They are just banking on that until
> 2013. There was a show on this weekend about 2012 on the History channel
> called "Surviving 2012." The show basically theorized that there are "hidden
> documents" by ancient civilizations that knew that there will be something
> happening. It was a mixture of Myan, Egyptian, and Edgar Casey predictions.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
> tdli...@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >  - http://scifiwire.com/2009/11/roland-emmerich-confirms.php
> >
> > Roland Emmerich's already 
> > controversialworld-destroying
> >  movie
> > *2012* isn't even in theaters yet, but there are reports he's mulling a
> > follow-up TV show called *2013*.
> >
> > How can there be a follow-up show to a movie about the end of the world,
> > you ask? (Spoilers ahead!)
> >
> > Well, according to 
> > CinemaBlend,
> > there are some survivors, and the show would pick up their story:
> >
> > As speculated, the new series will be called *2013* and will focus on the
> > aftermath of the cataclysmic events of the film. With the world in disarray,
> > it's time to rebuild. Emmerich says it's "not the bright happy future
> > everyone was imagining" when the film ends. Instead, things look bleak. But
> > this is humanity, so of course we can rise up from this.
> >
> > Emmerich will reportedly model the proposed show on *Lost* and the sci-fi
> > action movie *District 9*: big casts, complex storytelling and a gritty,
> > realistic style.
> >
> > Keep in mind this is all pie in the sky, since the movie's not out yet and
> > could tank. Also, name a TV show based on a sci-fi movie that managed to be
> > a big hit, besides the *Stargates*. Anyone?
> >
> > *2012* opens Nov. 13.
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Did anyone watch the "Escape from City 17" trailer?

[angelababycat]

I've vowed off downloads for a while, and can't view this without downloading 
something on the site.  What is it?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I posted this about a week ago. Did anyone see it? What did you think?
> 
> Here is the website:
> http://www.purchasebrothers.com/Purchase-Brothers-v2-hl.html
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Significant amounts of water found on moon, NASA says

[angelababycat]

But for the $79-million spent on this project, wouldn't it be cheaper to just 
fly a whole bunch of earth water to the moon?

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-moon14-2009nov14,0,2036369.story
>

[scifinoir2] Re: "2012" Review from the AP - No Spoilers (as if that matters); RunPee.com

[angelababycat]

I saw 2012 this afternoon, depsite the "mixed" reviews.  I just wanted
to see some special effects and decompress/veg-out for a few hours.  If
you were entertained by The Day After Tomorrow, I think you'll get your
$10 worth, leave the theater relaxed, then never really think about the
movie again.

I DID almost have a stroke trying to make it through the film without
going to the restroom.  I get so sick of that -- but who can resist the
glistening cool bucket of soda they give you to wash down that trough of
salty, chemical coated popcorn?  So this evening I Googled my way to
RunPee.com:
http://runpee.com/#app=5c9d&e1bd-RunPeeID=247.546.0&e785-selectedIndex=0
 .  I think I'll be using it from now on!

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
wrote:
>
>
>
> Man, I suspect this review is better than the movie! There are lots of
funny one-liners in the review that had me laughing out loud. Danny
Glover standing in for Morgan Freeman to play the Prez? The star's
ex-wife's new rich boyfriend not long for this world, and we're expected
to hate him because he drives a Porsche? Neutrinos, "that old action
movie villain"? Hilarious!
>
>
>
> After Independence Day--arguably Emerich's best film--i was pretty
much done with him. I like mindless action flicks as much as the next
person, but nothing in his later work has made me want to shell out the
ducats to see them--not even the thought of seeing good FX on the big
screen. Sounds as if this flick is more of the same, with good actors in
a CGI/FX-fest that's just silly. Does Emerich's stuff at least rise to
the level of the cheesy disaster flicks of the Irwin Allen days:
Towering Inferno, The Poseidon Adventure, Earthquake, etc?
>
>
>
> And by the way, the reviewer says that solar explosions result in a
surge of neutrinos which heat up the Earth's core, leading to
disaster.  I hope that's just him getting it wrong. I really hope
Emerich didn't spend all that dough on a movie, and miss something as
basic as the fact that neutrinos pretty much don't interact with matter
in a meaningful way. I mean, trillions have passed through me in the
time it's taken to write this, and my core hasn't overheated. There's
simply no known way for neutrinos to do what he's contending. Why not
just go with sunspots and massive solar flares as the cause of the
Apocalypse?
>
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
> Review: The end not soon enough for '2012'
> By JAKE COYLE
>
>
> The Associated Press
>
>
> This, too, is the micro-level drama of "2012," the latest nihilistic
disaster flick to revel in the destruction of the planet. John Cusack
plays the castoff father (Jackson Curtis), a failed novelist getting by
as a limo driver. We greet him as he rolls out of bed, spilling his copy
of "Moby Dick" as he rushes out the door, disheveled and late for a
camping trip with his kids.
>
>
> His ex-wife, Kate (Amanda Peet), has shacked up with a plastic surgeon
named Gordon Silberman (Tom McCarthy) who drives a Porsche, an obvious
clue that we're not meant to like him.
>
> When the apocalypse comes, Gordon, for a time, proves quite useful as
an amateur pilot. But it's no spoiler to say Gordon is not long for this
world â€" after all, he stands in the way of Jackson's redemption.
>
>
>
> The Curtis family may be our ground-level protagonists in "2012," but
the ground is shifting. Due to explosions on the sun, neutrinos (that
old action movie villain) are heating up the earth's core and will soon
destabilize the planet's crust, birthing volcanoes and shifting
tectonics.
>
> Hip to this development is government scientist Adrian Helmsley,
played by the exceptional Chiwetel Ejiofor, whose gravity â€" best
seen in 2002's "Dirty Pretty Things" â€" elevates "2012." He alerts
the president's chief of staff, Carl Anheuser (Oliver Platt), who
quickly brings Helmsley to the president (Danny Glover, apparently
filling in for Morgan Freeman).
>
>
>
> The government secretly establishes what Anheuser calls "the most
important timetable in the history of mankind" â€" a schedule for
the most important and most wealthy to be evacuated in confidential
arks.
>
> Curtis catches wind of the conspiracy theories of a loony radio DJ
(Woody Harrelson, perfectly cast to type). Thus, he and his family are
just moments ahead of the collapse of Los Angeles. A number of close
scrapes follow, as Curtis narrowly steers them through volcanic
explosions, earthquakes and, at one point, a subway that somehow soars
above their airplane. California falls into the ocean and much of the
world follows suit.
>
> The director of "2012," Roland Emmerich, has destroyed the world
before. His films include "The Day After Tomorrow," ''Independence Day"
and "Godzilla." He seems to enjoy nothing more than seeing the most
famous monuments toppled. The White House, vaporized in "Independence
Day," here meets its end by not only

[scifinoir2] Re: SGU Thoughts

[angelababycat]

I agree with Tracey's theroy about Young's wife and Telford too.  I bet she'll 
end up pregnant by Telford's body, but the baby will be Young's genetically!

Sadly, this week's drama around the communication devices was the most 
interesting part of the SERIES for me so far.  I'm sticking with it, but the 
eps are sitting unwatched in the DVR longer and longer each week.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
>
> That was my take as well. Although the last scene leaves it in the air. Was 
> that the case or is he just a real bastard and taking advantage of the 
> situation?
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> >
> > I think Telford and Young’s wife were already getting it on.  That might 
> > be why he is so hostile toward the colonel, aspecially since the wife knew 
> > Young had  an affair with the medic.  He probably came to the door to find 
> > out why she was sleeping with the husband when she was supposed to be with 
> > him.  Serious soap opera, huh?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > What do you mean about Anderson eating? 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Keith Johnson
> > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:41 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] SGU Thoughts
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > And  Colonel Young having sex with his estranged wife while in the body of 
> > Colonel Telford---huh? Now, while I get that Young would want to get with 
> > his ex--she's gorgeous!--isn't it a bit weird to do it in the body of a guy 
> > he clearly dislikes? And I don't know about you, but isn't a bit odd to 
> > think of your wife *liking* another man's body making love to her? I'm 
> > pretty damn sure that, once back on the ship, I'd be thinking about that, 
> > and I'd start having real doubts about exactly *w ho* the wife was reacting 
> > to, you know? And, as evidenced by Telford knocking on her door at the end 
> > of the show, I'd be *real* concerned she might start liking his *body* 
> > regardless of whose mind is in it!
> > 
> > And one last thing--what the hell has Richard Dean Anderson been eating in 
> > the last couple of years??
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Finnaly Switching from Comcast - Please advise

[angelababycat]

I have Directv.  My only complaint was the TERRIBLE quality of the installation 
(my house was built in 1909, so you need to know your way around a house to get 
the cables through the plaster, thick wood beams, pocket doors, etc.).  The 
first brother they sent actually told me that he couldn't spend too much time 
on my install because his next call was in an affluent white neighborhood and 
it would be important to get that one right.  Seriously.  SERIOUSLY. 

Three installers and a manager's visit later, I'm still not satisfied with how 
they ran the cables around the outside of the house or where they put the dish. 
 There was always an excuse: the weather, need a different drill, roof is too 
high, blah, blah.  You'd think I lived in a cave some where!  I'm going to 
complain 1 more time and leave them if they don't fix it, but I'm waiting until 
I get another TV for the basement and also research my other service options so 
I can address everything at once.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> About a year ago, I was planning on switching from Comcast and some of you
> gave some great advice regarding Direct TV and ATT, etc.  Comcast lowered my
> price, so I put it off, but the price is about to go back up so I want out.
> Can you guys make any recommendations.  
> 
>  
> 
> Also if I do not take a package, won't it cost more?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
>

[scifinoir2] Re: SyFy - New name, same problems

[angelababycat]

I feel you, Keith.  I decided to tune-in to Ghost Hunters Live for a few
minutes yesterday to make sure I wasn't missing something great about
the show.  Couldn't take more than 30 secs of it.

With SGU barely holding my attention and my favorite shows now on
network TV, I've sort of given up on SyFy.

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
wrote:
>
> Again, we must complain about SyFy's programming choices. Here we are,
with Halloween on a Saturday. A perfect opportunity to pull out some
great horror and scifi flicks. Maybe show "Dog Soldiers"--one of the
best movies they air-- at a time other than 1 am. Perhaps an all day
marathon of something like "The Dresden Files", which after all deals
with the supernatural. Handpick eps of "Enterprise", "Eureka",
"Warehouse 13", etc. that are spooky Hell, I'd even
accept--reluctantly--a rerunning of something moderately entertaining
like Stephen King's "Storm of the Century". How about a miniseries like
"Tin Man".
>
> But what do we get instead? Fu*&ing "Ghost Hunters", all freakin' day,
from 9 am to 7 pm EST, capped off by something called "Ghost Hunters
Live Halloween" for the following *five* hours! Who in the name of
Jehosaphat is programming this network? and why in god's name is "Ghost
Hunters" aired so much? There are hours and hours of that crappy show
throughout the week. What is the deal?!
>

[scifinoir2] Re: V - SyFy misses the point again

[angelababycat]

Are SyFy and ABC owned by the same company?  Otherwise, why hype people up for 
a show on another network?  If they'd run the old shows all summer, I may have 
had my "V" fix by now.  As it is, I'll watch V just like I'm watching 
Flashforward, making my sci-fi viewing score SyFy = 1 (SGU), ABC = 2 (V and 
Flashforward), WB = 2 (Superhunks...I mean Supernatural and Vampire Diaries).  
I'm probably forgetting something, though.

The point is, I liked having a station devoted to the genre and I'm watching it 
fail to live up to that expectation completely and keep the competition in 
check.


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> All of the networks are on hiatus so there aren't many new shows running
> right now. I guess that they figure that they can get away with doing
> something like that to play up the new series that airs on the 6th.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:15 PM, angelababycat wrote:
> 
> > Just noticed that SyFy is showing about 6 hours of the original "V"
> > miniseries this Sunday afternoon, then running 19 hours of the regular
> > series on Monday and Tuesday.  I relectantly set all to record, having to
> > delete several Barney eps to make room in the DVR memory.
> >
> > What I don't get is: why run 25 hours of one story in a 3-day period when
> > you've been otherwise filling your air time with junk?  Like the rest of us,
> > SyFy has surely known that the new "V" starts next Tuesday night on ABC.
> > This is different than a Twilight Zone marathon where no one's compelled to
> > catch all the eps or watch them in order. Why not air the shows weekly over
> > this past summer, or at least give us a few days between broadcasts to stay
> > caught up?
> >
> > All SyFy has accomplished is ensuring I won't make it through all the V's
> > before I need more DVR space for upcoming Barneys, etc.  And if the new "V"
> > is really good (please please), viewers may lose interest in the others
> > anyway.  Can someone please explain SyFy's logic to me?
> >
> > Angela
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> > Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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[scifinoir2] V - SyFy misses the point again

[angelababycat]

Just noticed that SyFy is showing about 6 hours of the original "V" miniseries 
this Sunday afternoon, then running 19 hours of the regular series on Monday 
and Tuesday.  I relectantly set all to record, having to delete several Barney 
eps to make room in the DVR memory.

What I don't get is: why run 25 hours of one story in a 3-day period when 
you've been otherwise filling your air time with junk?  Like the rest of us, 
SyFy has surely known that the new "V" starts next Tuesday night on ABC. This 
is different than a Twilight Zone marathon where no one's compelled to catch 
all the eps or watch them in order. Why not air the shows weekly over this past 
summer, or at least give us a few days between broadcasts to stay caught up?  

All SyFy has accomplished is ensuring I won't make it through all the V's 
before I need more DVR space for upcoming Barneys, etc.  And if the new "V" is 
really good (please please), viewers may lose interest in the others anyway.  
Can someone please explain SyFy's logic to me?

Angela

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Brother Terry nears 100K mark in 4 days on Jeopardy

[angelababycat]

LMAO!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> I hope they don't ask the brother the question that tripped up all-time 
> Jeopardy Champ, Ken Jennings:
> 
> The clue was in the category Tools:
> "This term for a long-handled garden tool can also be used to refer to an 
> immoral pleasure-seeker."
> Ken's response: "What is a hoe, Alex." 
> 
> In any event, (for his mama's sake) I hope the brother knows the correct 
> answer is "rake."
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "angelababycat"  wrote:
> >
> > Don't know if anyone's a Jeopardy fan, but it's nice to see a brother do 
> > well on the show.  He'll be back on tomorrow night--looking forward to 
> > seeing how long the winning streak lasts!
> > 
> > Angela
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Brother Terry nears 100K mark in 4 days on Jeopardy

[angelababycat]

Then maybe you know how he comes up with these bets.  Why didn't he just wager 
$3001 so he'd be over $100k already?  But either way, he already qualifies for 
the Jeopardy Hall of Fame ($50k+ winners).

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> Been rooting for him every night.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: asrobin...@...
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:28:26 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Brother Terry nears 100K mark in 4 days on Jeopardy
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Don't know if anyone's a Jeopardy fan, but it's nice to see 
> a brother do well on the show.  He'll be back on tomorrow night--looking 
> forward to seeing how long the winning streak lasts!
> 
> 
> 
> Angela
> 
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> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.
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[scifinoir2] OT: Brother Terry nears 100K mark in 4 days on Jeopardy

[angelababycat]

Don't know if anyone's a Jeopardy fan, but it's nice to see a brother do well 
on the show.  He'll be back on tomorrow night--looking forward to seeing how 
long the winning streak lasts!

Angela

[scifinoir2] Re: My (Second) Take - "Stargate Universe"

[angelababycat]

That's another difference with this SG series: the eps are ending with little 
cliff hangers, which is pretty cool.  I'll agree that SyFy still isn't back to 
its glory days, but this is a step the right direction.  The BSG tone is a 
little played out, but not a deal breaker.  I also haven't seen a strong female 
character emerge yet (recall those such as Col. Carter, 7 of 9, Tela, etc.).  I 
think the show needs one for balance.

And I still want to see some aliens.  I like aliens.  The little sand storms 
reminded me of the aliens that popped out of the ground in ... hold on...going 
way back ... Earth II.  LOL!  But then it was just some visions of an Irish 
priest.  What a tease.

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> That’s what I thought at first.  Was it the Senator’s shuttle and did 
> reviving the ship trigger something with his pod?  It’s a conundrum
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:39 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My (Second) Take - "Stargate Universe"
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> The ship looked a lot like the one that the senator died in.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I need to take a gander again at it.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:22:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] My (Second) Take - "Stargate Universe"
> 
>   
> 
> Keith, it looked like the undamaged shuttle. Admittedly, my glance was brief. 
> Tried to stretch myself to rewatch it at 11:00, but I faded.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   _  
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@...
> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:26:51 +
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My (Second) Take - "Stargate Universe"
> 
>   
> 
>  
> 
> Was that a shuttle craft leaving the ship, or was it perhaps one of the 
> ship's probes or automated gate-building devices? I know its mission is to 
> gather information and build additional gates along the way.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:40:54 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My (Second) Take - "Stargate Universe"
> 
>   
> 
> They didn't show what was on the other side of the gate. Also if you noticed 
> the last 10 seconds of the show a shuttle craft left the ship. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Tracey de Morsella  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I thought the two who went to the other gate died.  Do you thing that the 
> lived?
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:06 AM
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My (Second) Take - "Stargate Universe"
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I watched the show last night. I also agree that I enjoyed the doctor getting 
> kicked in the butt. I think that they may be building the black guy into an 
> anti-hero. Cuz you know that black people don't live long in space... They 
> seem to have a few different subplots already brewing. For example, the 2 
> that went to the other gate address. 
> 
> Dollhouse: I watched that too. I am starting to get a little irked at the 
> malfunction subplot. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere yet. The subtext to 
> the show is interesting. They seem to be exploring the full spectrum of 
> fantasies for the Echo character. I wonder what is going on with that? :) 
> 
> I watch medium, and flashforward too. Medium is sort of suspense light. Its 
> an ok show though. I'm interested in how they are going to develop the girl's 
> powers. 
> 
> Flashforward is interesting to me, but at this point, everyone's visions have 
> been coming true. Why do they still doubt it?
>  
> 
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Tracey de Morsella  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Some of my favorite TV Theme music is Doctor  Who.  I listen to it sometimes 
> on You tube.I used to collect Movie Them Music.  Now I just play them on 
> You Tube.  On SGU I liked the song that they played right before the last 
> three went through the gate.
> 
>  
> 
> I like this Stargate better than the last few seasons of SGI and Better than 
> Atlantis, but I got some problems with it that I can’t quite put my fingers 
> on.  Overall, I like that they are trying to do real stories again.  I would 
> like to like the Black guy, but he irks me.  Ironically I enjoyed when he 
> kicked the Doctor in the butt.  I do not like how they are Using Lou Diamond 
> Phillips.
> 
>  
> 
> Anybody watching Fringe, Dollhouse, FastForward or Medium?  Any thoughts? 
> 
>

[scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"

[angelababycat]

I'm sure it will turn out that Brother was in the brigg for some worthy reason 
like standing up for a fellow soilder in a brawl or something.  

I still vote for sending the dead shunk--one whose last meal contained a lot of 
garlic.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> I expect that someone will hand him a painful corrective measure to change 
> his worldview.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@...
> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:17:34 +
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"
>
>   
> yeah, the brother was the one truly sour note in the show, especially the way 
> he was menacing women and civilians alike.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 3:42:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"
> 
> Keith, it held my interest, but it was admittedly a near-thing. A couple of 
> times, I did find myself thumbing the remote. Didn't like the way they 
> presented the brother's character (no one with self-control issues like that 
> would stay in the military for long, though I do have to admit that that may 
> have been his first stint in the brig, though the way one of his fellow 
> soldiers interposed himself physically when the lady HR person played by 
> Ming-Na took him to task indicates that his temper is a known quantity).
> 
> As for Dr Rush, he seems to have lost someone close recently (his breaking 
> down over a picture when he was alone in his quarters), and that, coupled 
> with his innate need to learn all the mysteries that land before him may be a 
> driving factor for his seeming rushlessness and emotional distance.
> 
> I figure, using my geek-extrapolation abilities, that the reason that the 
> folks being evaced through the Stargate from Icarus Base were flying like 
> ten-pins might be because they were gating onto the Destiny as it was FTL, 
> that the force necessary to put them "safely" through really amped their 
> kinetic component. Colonel Young, last through because he was gathering 
> needed supplies, was at a run, hence his more serious injuries.
> 
> All in all, a fun run. I'll be tuning in as well.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@...
> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:26:30 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] My Take - "Stargate Universe"
>   
> I admit it was an entertaining show. Like "Voyager", it struck with with high 
> production values, and a very competent cast. Everyone fit into his or her 
> role pretty seamlessly, the FX were good, story moved along. And like 
> "Voyager", we got glimpses into the backgrounds of the cast, but the details 
> will be fleshed out later.
> The show moved along at a good clip: It starts out with the people fleeing 
> some as yet undefined danger, literally being tossed through a Gate like 
> sacks of potatoes. In quick order they discover their plight of being on an 
> Ancient ship billoiins of light years from Earth. I actually like the concept 
> of sending the ships out ahead of time, then Gating to them perhaps centuries 
> later.
> 
> Aside from "Voyager", I detected a decided BSG feeling to the show. The look 
> and feel of it, the camera work, the mix of characters all reminded me of 
> BSG. It has potential. But the question is, will it be more like 
> "Voyager"--or much of the SG-1 years for that matter--and simply devolve into 
> an adequate story about lost people having an adventure of the week. Or, will 
> it manage to build upon the promising opening and be a grittier show like 
> BSG--or DS9.
> 
> I like the cast for the most part. The military leader is an actor we've seen 
> a lot and he fits. His second is a young guy who's green but able. They 
> work--and so nice not ot have a O'Neal clone cracking wise all the time! Even 
> the young Wesley Crusher knockoff is pretty good for now. Although his 
> inclusion in the team stretches all credibility (from how he was discovered 
> to how he's taken) he's okay. The resident genius--Dr. Rush--is more 
> mysterious and infuriating, someone you want to club. Again, a refreshing 
> change from Daniel Jackson's sometimes nerdy professor thing, or Rodney 
> McKay's whining arrogance.The actor playing him is often given really serious 
> roles, and here he seems equal parts arrogant, troubled, and cold. Good 
> stuff. Lou Diamond Phillips seems to be more of a guest star, which is 
> unfortunate 'cause he could bring some good stuff to the show. Again, though, 
> like w

[scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"

[angelababycat]

Openning in the middle of the action with everyone flying through the gate like 
that was great.  And they didn't just let a few drop--you saw like 30 or 40 
folks slam down.  Then the last cracks his head open becuase of (as we learn 
later) the blast from the exploding planet behind him in the worm hole.  Very 
good.

Beyond the stereotypical characters Mr. Worf mentioned (all of with which I 
agree), the other thing I didn't like: no alien element was introduced in this 
2-hour premier.  Voyager, BSG, and especially SG Atlantis all introduced a 
nemesis by the climax of the first ep.  That makes me worry that it WILL simply 
be a Lost-in-Space jumping from one planet to the next as we discover new neat 
things on the ship type of show.  And I was hoping for something more edgy.

Re the alien attack, Col. Carter identified the "enemy" ships as being part of 
the Lucian alliance.  They also said the reason the base was on such a 
voliatile planet was becuase it provided the massive energy needed to lock the 
9th chevorn on the gate.

Now back to the Black dude, recall that we got not one but TWO steroetypes--the 
other was the mess hall cook!  "Izza jus a cook sir.  I don't know nottin 'bowt 
no space ships."  WTF?  I'm getting sick of that.

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
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> On that, I figure that he was the geek charged with studying the device. 
> Ergo, he'd have physical custody of it most days of the week.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@...
> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:37:50 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"
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> 2nd string player? 
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> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
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> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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> From: hellomahog...@...
> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:17:16 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: My Take - "Stargate Universe"
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> every scifi movie since the 1950s. The Senator, the gungho psycho Sergent, the
> gungho LT,  the computer geek, the mysterious genius doctor, HR lady, and
> daddy's little girl. ALL are annoying to me. 
> 
> What bugged me about the sergent's character was you don't get to that rank 
> then act like you're crazy. Especially on a top secret mission in space. Are 
> they going for the "tragic negro" thing or what?? I don't even want to get 
> started about the HR thing. They tried to throw off the racial element of it 
> by casting an asian woman but you can feel it. 
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> Question, if almost everyone there was supposed to be "trained" for
> this mission why are they acting like they are completely clueless when
> walking around the ship? You don't just open an airlock. Also why were the 
> airlocks so easy to open. (Just pull... Hello??? Vacuum of space???)
> 
> Question 2: Who was the "enemy"? They looked like the same Gu' auld (I'm 
> trying to not learn how to spell it.)  ships from all of the other series. 
> Shouldn't they have weapons with a little more "punch" to them now? The sneak 
> attack is another thing that bugs me. Why didn't they use a more stable 
> planet? Having a sneak attack also means that there is a spy on their ship.
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> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Martin  wrote:
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> When Dr Rush said that he'd used to egg-like device to contact SGC and speak 
> to General O'Neill, who told him to take command of the mission -- why didn't 
> anyone call him on it, make him hand over the device so that someone else 
> could confirm that?
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> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
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> > I admit it was an entertaining show. Like "Voyager", it struck with with 
> > high production values, and a very competent cast. Everyone fit into his or 
> > her role pretty seamlessly, the FX were good, story moved along. And like 
> > "Voyager", we got glimpses into the backgrounds of the cast, but the 
> > details will be fleshed out later.
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[scifinoir2] Re: Who keeps giving Roland Emmerich cash? "2012"

[angelababycat]

They're rebroadcasting it tonight, which is smart.  Same for the next ep I 
believe.

I really enjoyed it.  The openning did remind me of Lost.  And the mystery man 
video gave me goose pimples.

Keith, recall that John Cho didn't have a flashforward at all -- the ASUMPTION 
made by him and his partner is that he'll be dead.  But it can't be that simple 
-- he'll probably be in a coma, blindfolded, high or something like that.  We 
may not know until April 29, 2010.  Ha!

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
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> I watch The Day After Tomorrow all the time. I don't know whay i like that 
> stupid movie. This one? Meh.
> 
> Back to Flash Forward:
> I liked the effects of the Flash Forward but nothing else really engaged me 
> except the video of the mystery man.
> 
> And why did the brother's future consist of a *ahem* meeting. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry  
> wrote:
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> > http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/2012/
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[scifinoir2] Re: ARK II has not aged well

[angelababycat]

Don't forget about Earth II. Feeling similarly nostalgic one day, I ordered the 
DVD collection, but couldn't quite make it through!  (I, however, think it 
could be a great re-make if you think back to the original premise of the 
story.)

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry  
wrote:
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> noir,
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> Feeling sort of nostalgic and Netflix (ing) those 70's sci-fi shows of my 
> youth. UFO,Space 1999,Logan's Run and several others. ARK was as horrid as a 
> remember.
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[scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?

[angelababycat]

After having no cable since 1992, missing shows like Farscape,  Earthsea 
(gagg), etc., and running out of space for Stargate DVD's, I finally let them 
attach a dish to my 100-year-old house SOLELY because of the SciFi channel.  

I wonder if they really know who their core viewers are.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> Keith, I get the feeling that CN made the mistake of looking at the "success" 
> that Siffy's had with the ratings on their reality programming and opted to 
> follow suit, without bothering to look at the complaints. Also, there might 
> be the money factor at play. In this depressed economy, they may be looking 
> for cheap programming.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
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> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@...
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 03:46:55 +
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2009 1:02:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
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> 
> their audience to include those they used to have
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> 
> -Original Message-
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> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> 
> Behalf Of angelababycat
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 6:59 AM
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?
> 
> 
> 
> Get out of my head, Keith!  I was thinking of posting a very similar
> 
> comentary re SyFy Channel's poor performance this summer.  The BCA and even
> 
> relatively obscure stations like Sluth, G4 and Chiller had more interesting
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> programming lately.  
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> And what if some shows like ST Voyager cost more? Isn't it better in the
> 
> long run if it preserves viewership?  One of my clients just went through
> 
> the rebranding process this summer, so I saw how expensive and time
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> comsuming it is.  Maybe all that effort should have been spent on
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> They will really need to come back strong this fall, as well as realize that
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> Angela
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> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
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> > So we had a long holiday weekend, and, going into it, I prepared myself
> 
> for another weekend of marathons. You know: Twilight Zone all day Saturday,
> 
> "Enterprise" or TNG on Monday. Maybe some "Eureka" or BSG thrown in for good
> 
> measure. But know what we got instead? All day Sunday, the "reality" show
> 
> "Destination Truth", and all day Labor Day, "Ghost Hunters". WTF??? 
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> > Look, SyFy has a huge backlog of scifi series, successful and canceled,
> 
> that they can show. There's "The Dresden Files", "Special Unit 7". there's
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> even that creepy show with Matthew Fox that took place in a weird hospital.
> 
> What about old eps of "First Wave"? I'd take that over searches for urban
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> > Fortunately I wasn't home very much, so didn't have to depend on the telly
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> for entertainment. But when I was home? I watched marathons of "Ben 10:
> 
> Alien Force", "Wolverine and the X-Men", and science fact shows "The
> 
> Universe" and "Planet Earth" instead. Sad that I'm more excited to watch
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> cartoons more than a supposed science fiction channel all weekend.
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[scifinoir2] Re: Is SyFy Trying to Chase Away Viewers?

[angelababycat]

Get out of my head, Keith!  I was thinking of posting a very similar comentary 
re SyFy Channel's poor performance this summer.  The BCA and even relatively 
obscure stations like Sluth, G4 and Chiller had more interesting programming 
lately.  

And what if some shows like ST Voyager cost more? Isn't it better in the long 
run if it preserves viewership?  One of my clients just went through the 
rebranding process this summer, so I saw how expensive and time comsuming it 
is.  Maybe all that effort should have been spent on programming instead.

They will really need to come back strong this fall, as well as realize that 
people watch TV all year round.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> So we had a long holiday weekend, and, going into it, I prepared myself for 
> another weekend of marathons. You know: Twilight Zone all day Saturday, 
> "Enterprise" or TNG on Monday. Maybe some "Eureka" or BSG thrown in for good 
> measure. But know what we got instead? All day Sunday, the "reality" show 
> "Destination Truth", and all day Labor Day, "Ghost Hunters". WTF??? 
> 
> Look, SyFy has a huge backlog of scifi series, successful and canceled, that 
> they can show. There's "The Dresden Files", "Special Unit 7". there's even 
> that creepy show with Matthew Fox that took place in a weird hospital. What 
> about old eps of "First Wave"? I'd take that over searches for urban legends 
> and local myths. Hell, they can pull out Space: Above and Beyond if they 
> want. I'd watch it over those idiot Ghostbuster wannabes. 
> 
> Fortunately I wasn't home very much, so didn't have to depend on the telly 
> for entertainment. But when I was home? I watched marathons of "Ben 10: Alien 
> Force", "Wolverine and the X-Men", and science fact shows "The Universe" and 
> "Planet Earth" instead. Sad that I'm more excited to watch cartoons more than 
> a supposed science fiction channel all weekend.
>

[scifinoir2] Riverworld on SyFy Channel at 7:00 pm tonight -- i.e. in 20 minutes

[angelababycat]

Riverworld on SyFy Channel at 7:00 pm tonight.  I mention it mainly because the 
show came up in a recent post re shows that maybe possibly could have been a 
series, but got scrapped.

Angela

[scifinoir2] Re: Keith, brace yourself...

[angelababycat]

Not only was it bad, but it put me in such a deep sleep that when I woke up, it 
was on again!!!  

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> I'm sorry you missed it as well, Keith. Easily. The. Worst. Ep. EVER.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: keithbjohn...@...
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 04:11:23 +
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> already done so, and it'd have save me the fifteen minutes of my life i 
> wasted on that !!!  :(
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:09:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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[scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!

[angelababycat]

In any event, it wasn't just the *biting* that stirred my interest...

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
>
> who Rave?  me?  what did i do?
> 
> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, ravenadal  wrote:
> 
> From: ravenadal 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 1:35 PM
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> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Augustus Augustus  
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> > --- On Fri, 8/28/09, tasheka4  wrote:
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> > From: tasheka4 
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> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!
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> > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
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> > when it came out, but I hate that I have to wait until the season is over 
> > to see Season 2.  Everyone I know who's watching it says it's even better 
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> > --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "angelababycat"  wrote:
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> > > Since I ONLY have the 3,333 stations that come with basic satellite (and 
> > > hence no HBO), I just purchased the DVDs for Season 1 this week.  Four 
> > > eps in, I'm still loving it...think maybe I want to date a vampire one 
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> > > > -Original Message-
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> > > > From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com] 
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> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:03 PM
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> > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!
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> > > > This season of "True Blood" has been a hot mess!  Watching I often  feel
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[scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!

[angelababycat]

Since I ONLY have the 3,333 stations that come with basic satellite (and hence 
no HBO), I just purchased the DVDs for Season 1 this week.  Four eps in, I'm 
still loving it...think maybe I want to date a vampire one day...

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> You explain my tortured relationship with the show perfectly.  
> 
> I suspect my husband feels similarly.  He makes fun of me watching it as he
> walks by and ends up dropping everything and sitting down to watch the whole
> thing with me.  If I invited him to watch he wouldn't, but he has seen the
> last three episodes with me.  The only reason he did not see other episodes
> is because he was not here when I watch. Now that I know he secretly likes
> it, I put it on demand when he is around.   
> 
> But.. he's not a fan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of ravenadal
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:03 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: True Blood!!!
> 
> This season of "True Blood" has been a hot mess!  Watching I often  feel
> like Rosario Dawson's character in Clerks II when she walks in on a man
> having sex with a donkey in the middle of the fast food emporium she
> manages: "I'm disgusted and repulsed and...and(yet)I can't look away!"
> 
> I was elated that Lafayette was back but I was totally not feeling his
> chained in the basement arc.  I would have almost preferred for him to have
> died (as he did in the book) than to see him chained up like a dog.
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> >
> > Anybody watching True Blood? What do you think.  Warning. I'm one week
> > behind, so protect me from spoilers
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
> > 
> > The Green Economy Post
> > 
> > http://greeneconomypost.com
> > 
> > tracey@
> >
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> 
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa
> hoo! Groups Links
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[scifinoir2] Re: "Eureka" Thoughts - Joe Morton

[angelababycat]

I've been a fan since "The Brother from Another Planet" as well.

Was sorry to see him blow in T2.  Even when the wife appears in TSCC, you go 
back to the moment when he couldn't hold down that det switch any 
longer...maybe the Resistance finds his DNA in the future and brings him back 
to write the code needed to take out the Terminators?


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> As do I.
> 
> In an entirely manly way, of course.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@...
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:29:15 -0700
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts - Joe Morton
> 
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> Look ahead.  I LOVE JOE MORTON. 
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> 
> 
> From:
> scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Keith
> Johnson
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:42 PM
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts - Joe Morton
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> 
> Hey
> what gives? No other love for Joe Morton?
> 
> 
> 
> Surely I can't the only one who's seen "The Brother from Another Planet",
> or who likes John Sayles??  :(
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Keith Johnson" 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:41:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts - Joe Morton
> 
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> 
> I
> can't stress enough how much Joe Morton brings to "Eureka". Morton's
> one of those actors with a face and bearing you just trust and respect. He can
> play a likeable guy, a strong leader, a tortured and confused soul. I have
> followed him for years, whether it's been great turns in John Sayles
> flicks--and it's saying a lot that Morton is a fav of Sayles'--having the lead
> in the shortlived TV series "Under One Roof", playing a memorable
> role as a former boxer turned transvestite on "New York Undercover",
> or even his guest stint as Whitley's love interest on "A Different
> World".  Even his bit in "Terminator 2" is memorable. The
> anguish he feels at what his work has caused for the future is palpable, and I
> hated to see the character die. 
> 
> 
> 
> It's a crime that Morton hasn't gotten the major roles and respect he 
> deserves.
> He's done a lot of stuff, but never got to that A-list on TV or film. And 
> while
> I'm really happy to see him get steady work on "Eureka", and like the
> steadiness his character brings to that world, I keep hoping to see him get
> some meatier roles. That's especially true as long as the showrunners seem
> hesitant to give him a real life. Like I said, he's mayor now, but that 
> angle's
> not explored, and I really dislike them killing off Kim--twice.
> 
> 
> 
> And for those of you young 'un's who don't understand my praise of Morton, do
> yourself a favor and look up his great performances in the movie "City of
> Hope" (a John Sayles joint), the shortlived but well done TV series
> "Tribeca" (which co-starred Carl Lumbly and Lawrence Fishburne), and
> especially, the classic Sayles' film "The Brother From Another
> Planet". That last, in which Morton plays an alien slave on the run, is an
> amazing performance given that he speaks not a word, and must convey 
> everything
> with just his facial expressions and body language.
> 
> 
> 
> I wonder if the "Eureka" showrunners really understand what a great
> asset they have in Morton...?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:58:50 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
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> They are the best actors however, some
> of the guest stars and recurring characters are also good, Frances Fisher (Eva
> Thorne); and Tamlyn Tomita (Kim Anderson); and Debrah Farentino, (The
> Psychiatrist) are some that come to mind
> 
>  
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson
> 
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:57 PM
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
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> The best actors on the show are Joe Morton, Richardson, and
> Ferguson. All of them are good actors, and I think they honestly rise above
> material that tries to make them cliches too much. Ferguson is a stronger man
> than Carter gets to be: that befuddled schtick gets old. Richardson has more
> warmth and personality than her tough Allison character. Morton actually makes
> Henry the most well-rounded character, a tribut to the man's phenome

[scifinoir2] Re: "Eureka" Thoughts

[angelababycat]

I've been keeping up with Eureka more this season than in the past (maybe 
because it's getting better, or maybe because there's not much else on right 
now...).  But I agree that the "Carterison" thing was getting old.  Besides, 
didn't the show have an alternate reality or something that started after Kim 
was killed and Henry tried to change history to where she doesn't die or 
something?  In that time line (which was like 4 years?) Carter and Allison get 
married, have a baby, etc.  So any real romance between them would have to top 
or be very different than that story.  I'm voting for Tess.

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> Same here.  I actually like Allison and Carter together, but they kind of
> ruined the continuity with them two season's ago. Maybe they could regain it
> down the line, but making her a pregnant widow, makes that seem impossible
> in the short-term
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Martin Baxter
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:40 AM
> To: SciFiNoir2
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey, for a minute there in last week's ep, I thought that the Carter-Tess
> storyline might be challenged by the introduction of Billy Campbell's "Dr
> Manly" character, consideriung the way she was goo-goo-eyeing him at first,
> and the malfunctioning baby monitor that had Carter and Allison linked up
> sympathetically.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   _  
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@...
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:25:49 -0700
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
> 
>   
> 
>  
> 
> I was getting sick of the silly Fargo side plot distractions, but last week
> they did not have one, it seemed more like season one (which was my
> favorite), so I am starting to like it again.   Getting rid of the sister
> who found everything wrong with him was a good move too.  I realize they
> need conflict, but I do not think it worked with her.   I also like that
> they decided to have Carter move on, if they are not going to get him
> together with Alison, then let him move on.  I like the  chemistry that he
> has with the new woman and that they did not pretend that he and Alison
> never existed.  
> 
>  
> 
> I'm also had the moved away from everyone calling him stupid and let the
> theme shift back to he as the commonsense guy often being the one with the
> big ideas.  I get the sense that maybe they experimented and are returning
> to what worked in the first place.   I did not like the 5 day stupid think
> either.  I'm not sure why they keep pursuing that angle.  I hope it is a
> fluke.
> 
>  
> 
> By the way, I liked the husband on True Blood, but I think he is just a
> guest star with at best re-occurring status. 
> 
>  
> 
> Let's hope there are no Fargo bowling or car stories next week and that they
> stay on track 
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:53 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Eureka" Thoughts
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Everyone watching the new season of "Eureka"? I must saying I'm enjoying it,
> even more than last season. I think that's because Carter is noticeably more
> instrumental in solving cases than last year. Every ep so far, as the big
> brains discuss string theory, M-branes, and quantum mechanics, Carter's
> always the one guy in the room who cuts through the superficial coverings to
> get to the heart of a problem. Indeed, one wonders how the scientists can do
> anything: as smart as they are, they seem to exemplify what my mom used to
> say about "Book sense, but no common sense".
> 
> Fortunately they have also toned down the Carter-is-kinda-dumb thing too.
> Tracey mentioned that last year that had gotten out of hand. There are still
> some moments like that, but I frankly don't think they're needed. Carter's
> obviously not a supergenius, so let's lose the "Uh...English please? I'm
> clueless" schtick. A couple of weeks ago, for example, Allison spoke of the
> space object coming to Earth in 126 hours, and Carter looks confused.
> Allison then had to amend and say "five days"! Give me a break: you telling
> me Carter, an intelligent and highly competent man of the law, can't figure
> that out? Again, good thing that angle is being minimized.
> 
> Some other thoughts on the show:
> 
> * I like the new lady brought in, who runs Section 5 (?) At first she
> irritated the hell out of me by belittling Carter's intelligence, but I like
> the tender side and sense and humour she has.   
> 
> * Good to see that Carter is falling for the new scientist. For some reason
> I never really liked his love for Allison, and it's 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now

[angelababycat]

Well put.  I watched the first 3 eps on hulu, but probably won't watch any 
more.  Thye've made it too hard for me to care what's in pod 4.

Funny thing I noticed though: about 2:15 into Ep 3 (scene: the packed-up living 
room of the couple originally on the mission before the guy got cut) is the 
same as Starbuck's appartment on BSG.  Ha!


 -From: George Arterberry 
> >To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> >Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:17:06 AM
> >Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >
> >Ê 
> >
> >
> >
> >It seemed cheap and boring.Just enough sci-fi , not to qualify as a
> >sexual drama.
> >
> >--- On Sun, 8/16/09, Mr. Worf http://gmail. com/
> >]gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >From: Mr. Worf 
> >Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >To: scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
> >Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 8:12 PM
> >
> >Ê 
> >The formula isn't right for network tv. They will kill it because they
> >can't do any product placement or have cameos of guest stars to boost the
> >ratings. The show is tepid at best and a snoozefest at its worst. 
> >
> >On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Martin Baxter <[
> >http://us.mc586. .mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=truthseeker01 3...@lycos.com
> >]truthseeker013@ lycos.com> wrote:
> >
> >Pal, it's a Canadian series, the rights to which ABC bought, so it'll
> >probably last its full run.
> >
> >[ http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt1319690/ ]http://www.imdb. com/title/
> >tt1319690/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >
> >ÊSubject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >
> >ÊDate : Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >ÊFrom : "C.W. Badie" <[
> >http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=astromancer20 0...@yahoo. com
> >]astromancer2002@ yahoo.com>
> >
> >ÊTo : [
> >http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com
> >]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com
> >
> >
> >I liked it, but it's rather loose storytelling, the type of looseness the
> >leads to cancellation. ..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >___ _ _ _ __
> >From: Martin Baxter
> >
> >To: [
> >http://us.mc586. mail.yahoo. com/mc/compose? to=scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com
> >]scifinoir2@ yahoogro ups.com
> >Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 8:24:50 AM
> >Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >
> >
> >Keith, I almost missed it, stumbling across it two minutes before it
> >bbegan. I
> >
> >I enjoyed it overall, though the pacing was a bit leaden at times. (Maybe
> >on purpose?) The mysterious nature of the real mission has me hooked,
> >without saying. Can't wait until the MC ventures into Pod 4 to find out
> >what's really up.
> >
> >As for the incidental music, I really don't take notice of it as I watch
> >a TV show or movie, unless it's a song near and dear to my heart.
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> >Subject : [scifinoir2] "Defying Gravity" on ABC now
> >Date : Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:13:45 + (UTC)
> >From : Keith Johnson
> 
> >To : scifino...@yahoogro [ http://ups.com/ ]ups.com
> >
> >Anyone watching ABC's entry into the "Big Brother in Outer Space by way
> of BSG-style drama"? It deals with a seven-year mission in the year 2052
> that sends eight astronauts to visit six planets in the Solar System. Very
> quickly into the show, we're made aware there's some kind of secret
> involved. The two most experienced astronauts in the program (one of whom
> is played by Malik Yoba) are initially left off the mission aboard the
> spaceship "Antares".. Later, when some kind of heart problem keeps
> cropping up among the crew--evidently tied to the "secret"--the two
> astronauts are blasted into space to join the mission. One comment I
> overheard makes me think some kind of sentient race has been encountered
> by humanity--perhaps on a previous tragic mission to Mars in which one of
> the current astronauts had to leave three of his fellows behind. Perhaps
> this sentient race is controlling the mission somehow? Not sure.
> >
> >Also not sure yet if I'll like the show. It has some decent actors and
> decent lines. But just when I'm starting to get into the mission and the
> scifi aspect of it, I'm distracted by overpowering music that attempts to
> heighten a scene, the lead astronaut's self-reflective monologue, too much
> of the newly-hot camera work (a la BSG and Star Trek) with a shaky cam to
> convey reality. Or I'm watching two astronauts make nekkid love in zero g
> and feeling vaguely manipulated at an attempt to make me feel awestruck or
> something. There's a lot of flashbacks and flashforwards that make
> following the story a bit confusing at times. "Lost" this ain't. There's
> also a odd flow: a mix of serious drama, melodrama, camp soap opera type
> moments, silly humour supported by "Desperate Housewives" type music, and
> a lot of titillation. It makes it hard for one to get a feeling of the
> overall nature of the sho

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"

[angelababycat]

I saw it Saturday and really enjoyed it!  However, I too will reserve my 
comments for a few more days.

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
>
> well Keith i saw it yesterday, and i am not going 2 say anything about it 
> until a few more people see it.  i had a few issues with it, but it was an 
> o.k. sci-fi picture...liked g.i. joe better though (but that is just 
> the Marine in me).  Although they did show a very nice trailer for 'Percy 
> Jackson and the Lighting Thief' movie due in february of next year.  i 
> originally bought the books 4 my son.  he enjoyed them so much that he asked 
> me 2 read them, and they are actually quite good.
> 
> Fate.
> 
> --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:
> 
> From: Keith Johnson 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 12:22 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   He's white, right? Not surprised though: I think even Peter 
> Jackson and his friends are from New Zealand, South Africa, etc., and 
> probably have a circle of friends and acquaintances that are mostly like them.
> 
> I hope to see the movie tomorrow, but also want to see the new Miyazaki film!
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "George Arterberry" 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:22:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   I've been following this for months.I'm just glad to see my 
> favorite vacation spot (South Africa] in a so-called major Hollywood 
> movie.Still even though filmed in south Africa the major hero/star of the 
> movie is of what color???
> 
> --- On Thu, 8/13/09, C.W. Badie  wrote:
> 
> From: C.W. Badie 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:23 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
>   Oh well...That kills my speculations about District 9 going 
> to be a tongue in cheek comedy...
> 
> --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Keith Johnson 
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 11:04 PM
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> I knew about it, but never made the connection until I heard it on Slice of 
> SciFi.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:00:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for that, Keith. I really didn't know about the Halo movie.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9"
> Date : Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:41:07 + (UTC)
> From : Keith Johnson 
> To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> 
> I heard on the podcast "Slice of SciFi" a fan call in and say how District 9 
> reminded him of ID4 and the videogame "Halo". The hosts said, "yeah it looks 
> a lot like 'Halo', down to the aliens". They said that this is the case 
> because, if you remember, Peter Jackson was initially engaged to do a movie 
> version of "Halo". Ultimately that project fell through, but the rumour is he 
> was so far into planning for "Halo", he decided to do a different concept, 
> and gave the project over to another guy to direct as "District 9". Not sure 
> if this is true, but I do remember Jackson was working on a "Halo" movie. So 
> i guess
>  it's not a big stretch to think that the production setups he might have had 
> in place for that were then moved to this flick. 
> 
> I need to do some research for the truth of this... 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 7:51:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9" 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Keith, I'm hyped for it as well. I've been avoiding any websites that hawk it 
> in anyway, primarily because of my aversion to critics. All but one person 
> I've spoken to regarding it are keen to see it as well. (That one refers to 
> it as an " 'Alien Nation' ripoff".) 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]-- 
> Subject : [scifinoir2] Looking forward to "District 9" 
> Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 06:55:00 + (UTC) 
> From : Keith Johnson 
> To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
>  
> 
> The "District 9" flick has me really intrigued. with its locale of South 
> Africa (so different from usual Hollywood story locatons), it's gritty look, 
> and the fact that it's a Peter Jackson joint, i have high hopes. Indeed, I'm 
> actually looking forward to it more than I have any other movie so far thi

[scifinoir2] Re: "Being Human"

[angelababycat]

Some (like the Quakers?) believe that mirrors and cameras capture your spirit.  
If vamps have no souls, then no spirit to capture.

On Moonlight, the vamp images could be captured by digital cameras and 
recorders, but not photo film or mirros.  Mick St. James provided an 
explaination, but I forget what it was. 

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
>
> Mr. Worf,
> 
> i agree with the whole not casting a reflection thing.  even though they are 
> supernatural beings, they are still composed of matter.  if it is matter, 
> then it should cast a reflection.  simple really.
> 
> Fte.
> 
> --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Mr. Worf  wrote:
> 
> From: Mr. Worf 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Being Human"
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 4:05 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Vampires have that whole mental manipulation thing so they 
> could hypnotize someone into giving them money. 
> 
> I have always had a problem with the no reflection thing. It never made sense 
> to me. Why wouldn't their image reflect? A mirror or video camera isn't a 
> supernatural thing that views a soul's reflection right?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Keith Johnson  
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> I think the thing with vamps and most other supernatural creatures  is 
> twofold: one, they don't exist in the same numbers as us. Even a thousand 
> powerful vamps would fall before a human army.  And two, they have specific 
> weaknesses which further allow humans to defeat them, such as sunlight, 
> garlic, silver, religious symbols for vamps (depending on the treatment, not 
> all of these are effective), silver for werewolves, etc.
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> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:06:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Being Human"
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>   I am hooked on the show now. I was just telling someone 
> about it last night. I believe that a theme of the show is that bad things 
> happen to good people. The thing about the characters is that they are just 
> regular folks that have been turned into monsters (and a ghost) that was 
> outside of their control.
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> 
>  I have been wondering if there are any other supernatural creatures in their 
> universe. Also, why are the vampires trying to take over the world (again)? 
> Seems like they should have been able to do that a long time ago. 
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> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Keith Johnson  
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> I know a couple of people mentioned "Being Human". Anyone watching it other 
> than them and me? I enjoy the show. It's light at times, but then very 
> serious at times, even scary and creepy. Only the Brits can strike that 
> balance in scifi so well. I like the characters-- i'll even forgive the 
> eleventy millionth rendition of the young, hunky, angst-filled vampire. I 
> find the whole society of vamps who look out for each other interesting 
> ("don't mind me brother; you just keep doing your orderly duties and let me 
> sip a little blood from the patient in the bed. What? You won't let me feed 
> off a patient? You want to be an outcast?!")  The young ghost who can hold 
> objects but can't be seen by many is interesting. The actress is good as a 
> bright spirit (no pun intended) whose natural ebullience is tempered by the 
> fact that she's a mostly insubstantial shade who can't yet crossover. Among 
> all the curses suffered by the roomies, I'd think being a ghost would be the
>  worst. At least the guys can enjoy some measure of life--at least even the 
> vamp can hold a woman, and in this show, he even eats regular food every now 
> and then.
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> 
> But what got me most recently is a show dealing with the young nebbish dude 
> who's a werewolf. The show starts off with him transforming, and a voiceover 
> speaks of the pain of the transformation.  It states that, since the werewolf 
> frame is smaller than a human, the organs all have to shrink: the heart must 
> reduce in size, which is painful, as do the liver and the kidneys. As the 
> organs are rearranging themselves, bones break and reform, hormones are 
> flooding into the system.  At the height of the change, the narrator says in 
> a eerily clinical tone, the organ restructuring is so bad that the organs 
> literally shut down as they're reformed--the lycanthrope is effectively 
> dying. But, he can't die, as adrenaline is pumped into the body in huge 
> amounts, constantly keeping him alive, and of course the animal savagery 
> starts kicking into gear. it's like a series of deaths-and-resurrec tions, 
> all painful because none of the regular pain-killing hormones are
>  working.   I'm not quite accurate with my description, b

[scifinoir2] Re: GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS

[angelababycat]

Has B5 ever gone into syndication?  Hard to believe, but I actually never 
watched the show (I was in my mid-20's with a good job, nice car and no 
responsibility so I was never home).

I thought of ordering it, but there's a giant price difference on Amazon 
between the 2004 and June 2009 release: $121 vs $270.  Anyone know why?  
Wikipedia has some discussion that "the transfer of Babylon 5 from fullscreen 
to widescreen (originally for the Sci-Fi Channel; later released on DVD) 
created significant problems with regard to special-effects/CGI footage."  But 
I can't tell it that's what got fixed in the 2009 release.

Unlike in 1994, I now have a todler and am too pooped to do anything but watch 
TV at night.  

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
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> i liked sinclair as the ambassador.  i think they should have used his 
> character in the later seasons.  especially 4&5 when they were tying up all 
> the loose ends.
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> 
> --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:
> 
> From: Keith Johnson 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 12:25 AM
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> his many TV westerns and such. I thought he was okay in the role, but I 
> always missed Sinclair for some reason. His understated performance worked 
> for me in that world.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Augustus Augustus" 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:16:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
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> i remember when they replaced Sinclair.  that is what they wanted.  someone 
> a little younger and a little better known.  at the time, boxleitner was a 
> bigger star.
> 
> Fate. 
> 
> --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Keith Johnson  wrote:
> 
> From: Keith Johnson 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 12:12 AM
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>   I thought the first season of B5 was good. Lots of setup 
> there: the introduction of Mr. Morden, the first appearance of a Shadow 
> vessel (barely seen), an appearance of one of the other First Ones ships, the 
> slow buildup of tension with Earthgov--it' s a great foundation for what came 
> later. Never did understand why Sinclair was replaced: I guess they wanted a 
> more Kirk-like character, rather than the more sedate Sinclair? 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 8:17:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
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> that snoozer of a first season and the jarring effect of the removal of 
> Commander Sinclair and being replaced by Captain Sheridan, that series cooked 
> with gas.
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> I really can't see how thw Dominion War was "dragged out". It lasted four 
> years, shorter than WWII.
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> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
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>  Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
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>  Date : Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:14:48 -0700
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>  From : "Mr. Worf" 
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>  To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
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> 
> I would agree to Babylon 5 but not DS9. They were dragging the war out. The
> 
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> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
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> > I think DS9 ran out of steam about a year before it ended. The writing was
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> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:13 PM, George Arterberry <
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> > > --- On *Fri, 8/7/09, Bosco Bosco * wrote:
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> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] GREATEST CANCELED SCIFI SHOWS
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> > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
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> > > Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:04 PM
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> > > Jim Baker and Tammy Faye Bakers 80's show, The PTL Club.
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> > > Jim J and Tammy Faye Baker's 90's day time show, The Jim J and Tammy Faye
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> > > Actually anything with Tammy Faye Baker. You may disagree that this is

[scifinoir2] Re: "Being Human"

[angelababycat]

The narration of the werewolf transformation was quite intriguing.

I enjoyed this week's ep too.  The notion of a ghost idealizing her
mortal life to the point that she can't recall the violence of her
death--or her own infidelity to the great love of her life--is pretty
deep.  We mentioned something about the ghost getting it on with the
vamp a few weeks ago and I couldn't see it, but little Annie's not so
innocent after all  LOL!

Is it really only going to be 6 episodes, or is that incorrect?

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
wrote:
>
> I know a couple of people mentioned "Being Human". Anyone watching it
other than them and me? I enjoy the show. It's light at times, but then
very serious at times, even scary and creepy. Only the Brits can strike
that balance in scifi so well. I like the characters--i'll even forgive
the eleventy millionth rendition of the young, hunky, angst-filled
vampire. I find the whole society of vamps who look out for each other
interesting ("don't mind me brother; you just keep doing your orderly
duties and let me sip a little blood from the patient in the bed. What?
You won't let me feed off a patient? You want to be an outcast?!") The
young ghost who can hold objects but can't be seen by many is
interesting. The actress is good as a bright spirit (no pun intended)
whose natural ebullience is tempered by the fact that she's a mostly
insubstantial shade who can't yet crossover. Among all the curses
suffered by the roomies, I'd think being a ghost would be the worst. At
least the guys can enjoy some measure of life--at least even the vamp
can hold a woman, and in this show, he even eats regular food every now
and then.
>
> But what got me most recently is a show dealing with the young nebbish
dude who's a werewolf. The show starts off with him transforming, and a
voiceover speaks of the pain of the transformation. It states that,
since the werewolf frame is smaller than a human, the organs all have to
shrink: the heart must reduce in size, which is painful, as do the liver
and the kidneys. As the organs are rearranging themselves, bones break
and reform, hormones are flooding into the system. At the height of the
change, the narrator says in a eerily clinical tone, the organ
restructuring is so bad that the organs literally shut down as they're
reformed--the lycanthrope is effectively dying. But, he can't die, as
adrenaline is pumped into the body in huge amounts, constantly keeping
him alive, and of course the animal savagery starts kicking into gear.
it's like a series of deaths-and-resurrections, all painful because none
of the regular pain-killing hormones are working. I'm not quite accurate
with my description, but the gist was I never ever thought of a werewolf
change in those terms, and it was quite disturbing.
> kudo's for that.
>

[scifinoir2] Re: New trailer for Stargate:Universe

[angelababycat]

I'm way more excited than I was before too.  This trailer reminds me of 
something from the other show, though.  Does anyone remember the SG1 ep where 
that quirky guy who was an alien-living-on-earth (Martin?) needed help from the 
SG1 team to find ideas for a TV show?  One of the ideas was like Dawsons Creek 
meets Stargate with young sexy ipod carrying team members. It was a halarious 
episode, but I remeber thinking that it was probably based on an actual meeting 
the writers had.  Sure enough...

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"  wrote:
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> Fate,
> 
> I will also. Maybe it was the jumbled, seemingly hapahazard nature of the 
> first trailer that was so offputting.
> 
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> 
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 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] New trailer for Stargate:Universe
> 
 Date : Mon, 3 Aug 2009 05:58:38 -0700 (PDT)
> 
 From : Augustus Augustus 
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
Martin,
> 
> very good clip.  now, i just might watch it.
> 
> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> 
> From: Martin Baxter 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] New trailer for Stargate:Universe
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 6:04 PM
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[scifinoir2] Re: topic: Being human

[angelababycat]

I caught both episodes and think it's a cute little show so far.  I like the 
characters and the basic idea.  The story will need to evolve and expand for 
real hang time, though--how many eps can they do on the "booo hooo I'm a 
wolfman/vamp/ghost and I'm sooo depressed about it" tip, you know?  There is 
some vampire world takeover conspiracy lurking in the background, but it's not 
really grabbing my interest yet. 

Are we the only two watching this one?

Angela

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Anyone watch this show tonight? It is on BBC America. Its about a ghost,
> werewolf, and a vampire. What are your thoughts?
> 
> --
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Torchwood: Children of Earth

[angelababycat]

This might be a spoiler if you haven't made it through Ep. 5 yet, but I would 
never ever let my daughter fry like that.  You can argue it was the right thing 
to do, but as the 456 so bluntly stated: a child dies every 3 seconds on earth. 
 No one's empting their own kid's college fund or settling for a cheaper 
car/suit/vacation to feed starving children.  So it's a heroic act for the 
"better good" that we pass on every single day.  

Of course, as pointed out by the elite at the table, would a good culling of 
the bottom 10 be so bad for the planet?  After the initial horror of the 
atrocity and political backlash faded away, wouldn't the world in fact be a 
better place, less taxed with caring for the purportedly neediest individuals? 

Either way, the FIRST time the children said "We are coming," I would have 
emptied the bank accounts and gone into hiding with her.

Also, it would have been interesting if they'd touched on different societies' 
reactions to the call for 10%: a fuzy video clip of girls being lined-up in 
China, a report of only Caucasion children being selected in South Africa, the 
entire collection process going unnoticed in Mexican border towns...

I hope there's a future for Cush Jumbo in all this too.

Yes, yes, lots to chew on!

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
>
> Rave!
> 
> Loved the review.  Nothing else is left 2 be said.  I agree with all points.  
> 'Nuff said!
> 
> Fate.
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/24/09, ravenadal  wrote:
> 
> From: ravenadal 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Torchwood: Children of Earth
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 10:03 AM
>  
>   I watched episodes 1-4 last night.  Great stuff!  I 
> continue to appreciate the way people of color - particularly black people - 
> are seamlessly integrated into this alternate reality - and England is a 
> great backdrop "character" in this drama(And, you gotta love the chutzpa of 
> the British - still supercilious enough to believe they are the center of the 
> universe - which was ridiculous even when Sean Connery was still doing his 
> James Bond thing).  
> 
> Two things are refreshing: a)there are black people in the "future" and 
> (b)their integration from the bottom to the top of society is so commonplace 
> it is not even worth noting. I DO wish there had been more CHILDREN of color 
> represented but that is a small nit.
> 
> I love "fourth wall" of episodic television has been broken down and there 
> are actual and devastating consequences to heroic action.  
> 
> I love the ethical dilemmas presented and how quickly and cavalierly they are 
> dismissed by the ruling class.  The notion of oligarchy (masquerading as 
> meritocracy) vs. true meritocracy, in this context, is presented brilliantly.
 
> It also addresses one of the hoariest and most annoying (for me) cliches of 
> SF literature - the willingness of a conspirator to sacrifice millions to 
> save a loved one (I reference Dr. Yueh in "Dune" and Abe Sapien in "Hell Boy 
> II: the Golden Army").  Of course it is the right thing to sacrifice your 
> beloved for the greater good - I know it is the right thing to do - and, yet, 
> I don't know if I could pull the "save the universe as we know it" trigger if 
> it was my sacrifice of my son or my daughter that seals the deal. 
> 
> Oh, yeah, and the love affair between Captain Jack and Ianto Jones almost 
> rises to the level of "Brokeback Mountain," and that is about as high as 
> man-on-man love can go in popular culture.  Captain Jack has lived a long 
> time and, like a western barroom door, obviously swings both ways, but I am 
> reminded of the comedic question of how many heterosexual conquests a 
> dedicated hound has to have before you are compelled to take a walk on the 
> "wild" side.  Like the comedian says, "I want to know what that number is!"
> 
> Lastly, entirely on a personal note, as a unrepentant nipponmaniac, I lament 
> the absence of Naoko Mori's Toshiko Sato.  I can, however, be placated if she 
> is replaced by the fetching Lois Habiba (Cush Jumbo).  I mean, how cool is it 
> that there is a central character named Lois Habiba?  Speaking of the 
> resourceful Lois Habiba, you gotta love the stiff upper lip British ethos of 
> taking haughty pride in your position (or lot in life) no matter what it is 
> (like a valet calling himself a "gentleman's gentleman").  "I am a PA 
> (personal assistant)!" Lois states with certitude after super efficiently 
> delivering cointel to big eyed Gwen Cooper (Eve Myles). 
> 
> Good, heady stuff!  Lots to chew on!  
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> 
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "B. Smith"  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Please tell me I'm not the only one watching this. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > The first part was the most pleasing hour and 15 minutes of sci-fi I've 
> > watched in a long time. I can't say much without getting into spoiler 
> > territory but in the first hour alone we meet some of Ca

[scifinoir2] Re: Torchwood: Children of Earth

[angelababycat]

Yes, that would be sufficient for a properly registered item.  


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B. Smith"  wrote:
>
> Really? Just buying a gun safe or locks weren't enough? 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "angelababycat"  wrote:
> >
> > S funny you say that because it DID have me thinking.  I had to dispose 
> > of "all fire arms" to pass my home study last year (my daughter's adopted), 
> > but hadn't given it a second thought...until about half way through Ep. 1 
> > Monday night.  
> > 
> > Excellent show.
> > 
> > Angela
> > 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Based on the commercials, if you see that every kid in the world is being
> > > used as a conduit by aliens. Wouldn't you after you changed your underwear
> > > go and buy a gun or five?
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Daryle Lockhart  > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DVR'ed it. Last night  was Moon party night. No TV. Tonight? DEFINITELY
> > > > watching.
> > > > On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:26 PM, B. Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please tell me I'm not the only one watching this.
> > > >
> > > > The first part was the most pleasing hour and 15 minutes of sci-fi I've
> > > > watched in a long time. I can't say much without getting into spoiler
> > > > territory but in the first hour alone we meet some of Captain Jack's 
> > > > family,
> > > > recruit new members, see the government try to keep a lid on the events 
> > > > with
> > > > extreme pedjudice and get an eerie message from beyond. Wow!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> > > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
> > >
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Torchwood: Children of Earth

[angelababycat]

S funny you say that because it DID have me thinking.  I had to dispose of 
"all fire arms" to pass my home study last year (my daughter's adopted), but 
hadn't given it a second thought...until about half way through Ep. 1 Monday 
night.  

Excellent show.

Angela


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Based on the commercials, if you see that every kid in the world is being
> used as a conduit by aliens. Wouldn't you after you changed your underwear
> go and buy a gun or five?
> 
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Daryle Lockhart  > wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > DVR'ed it. Last night  was Moon party night. No TV. Tonight? DEFINITELY
> > watching.
> > On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:26 PM, B. Smith wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Please tell me I'm not the only one watching this.
> >
> > The first part was the most pleasing hour and 15 minutes of sci-fi I've
> > watched in a long time. I can't say much without getting into spoiler
> > territory but in the first hour alone we meet some of Captain Jack's family,
> > recruit new members, see the government try to keep a lid on the events with
> > extreme pedjudice and get an eerie message from beyond. Wow!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>