[scifinoir2] Re: BBC America To Air Idris Elba Miniseries
Sweet. I saw previews for this a while back. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: I'd never heard of Luther before reading about it in my Comcast guide's list of upcoming shows for the fall. Sounds like it'll be pretty good. Elba's quite an actor, and this being a British production, you can count on it being of high quality and realism, especially with one of the guys behind the series MI-5 on board. * http://torforge.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/bbc-america-books-idris-elba-hourlong-series-luther/ BBC AMERICA REINVENTS CRIME THRILLER WITH WIRE STAR IDRIS ELBA BBC AMERICA today announced its latest U.S. premiere co-production. Luther , starring Idris Elba ( The Wire ), is a smart, six-part, psychological thriller that takes a bold new look at the crime genre. Elba is also Associate Producer on the project. * Luther (6 x 60) is a BBC/BBC AMERICA co-production and is distributed by BBC Worldwide. It will air later this year on BBC AMERICA. Idris Elba, best known for his performance as drug kingpin Russell âStringerâ Bell in HBOâs The Wire , now finds himself on the other side of the law. He plays John Luther, an intellectually brilliant but emotionally impulsive murder detective. He considers his profession a vocation rather than a job and it remains to be seen if heâs a force for good or a man hell bent on self-destruction. His confidante is also his arch-enemy Alice ( Ruth Wilson , Jane Eyre ), a beautiful multiple-murderess who evades his grasp early on, and with whom he becomes locked in a lethal battle of wits. Luther is created and written by acclaimed suspense novelist, and one of the lead writers on MI-5 , Neil Cross . He says: âIâm delighted that the BBC has brought Luther to life. Itâs an intense psychological thriller which examines not only human depravity but the complex nature of love ⦠and how itâs often this â our finest attribute â that leads us into darkness.â Elba is joined by an all-star cast: Ruth Wilson ( The Prisoner ) is Alice Morgan, beautiful, extraordinarily intelligent and a key witness in Lutherâs first investigation; Steven Mackintosh ( Criminal Justice ) is Detective Chief Inspector Ian Reed and Lutherâs loyal friend and work colleague; Indira Varma ( Rome ) is Zoe Luther, whoâs had the strength to walk away from the man she still loves; Paul McGann ( Withnail and I ) is Mark North, unafraid to compete with Luther for Zoeâs love; Saskia Reeves ( Bodies ) is Detective Superintendent Rose Teller, Lutherâs risk-taking boss and Warren Brown ( Occupation ) is Detective Sergeant Justin Ripley, Lutherâs loyal, awestruck new partner. The deal was brokered by Matt Forde, EVP BBC Worldwide Sales Co-Productions with Chris Carr, COO, BBC Worldwide Channels and Richard De Croce, SVP Programming, BBC AMERICA. Chris Carr says: âBBC AMERICA viewers have always loved British crime thrillers. Luther, puts a whole new spin on the genre and sucks you in with its intelligent storytelling and gripping plotlines. Weâre thrilled to have Idris Elba on BBC AMERICA and intend to surprise a few people by revealing that heâs British!â Luther , airing later this year, adds to BBC AMERICAâS new slate of co-productions recently announced including sci-fi thriller Outcasts starring Eric Mabius ( Ugly Betty ) and Come Dine With Me , a cooking show which follows amateur chefs competing for the title of the ultimate dinner party host. (via Variety TVbytheNum
[scifinoir2] Re: In America
As a metaphor for being poor and immigrant, In America features the most insidious arcade game I have ever seen. A barker conjoles you to spend a dollar to win an Elmo doll. All you have to do is throw three baseball sized balls into the mouth of an aluminum drain pipe (that is surrounded by happy little Elmo dolls). The catch is, if you fail to place on three balls into the mouth of the pipe, you pay the barker double - but it is double or nothing. If you wager another $2 and you win, you owe nothing. If you lose you owe $4 in addition to the original $2 you lost. But, once again, if you wager another $8 and you win you owe nothing. But, if you lose, you owe $16. If you quit while you are ahead but behind you are now out of $26. But if you bet just $32 and you win, well you owe nothing. Do the math. You can walk away $26 poorer but for just $8 more you could owe nothing AND win an Elmo doll. Shoot, that's almost breaking even. So you pony up ANOTHER $32 dollars. And lose. Now you owe another $64 dollars. Now you are in for $90 but in you just wager another 128 dollars... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@... wrote: Meant to catch that, but work made me forget to Autotune it. I'm chasing it down now to see when it re-airs. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I just finished watching Jim Sheridan's In America. I remembered when this little film got 3 Oscar nominations back in 2004 (Best Actress for Samantha Morton, Best Supporting Actor for Djimon Hounsou and Best Screenplay for Sheridan). At the time I was like WTF? because I had never heard of it (it made $25 million at the box office, which is kinda impressive because I don't know anybody who saw it). I was intrigued primarily because of Hounsou's Supporting Actor nod (like Denzel Washington's Glory character Trip, who ran for President, Hounsou didn't win). Well, I just saw it and it is a remarkable little film. Both the acting nods were well deserved and, frankly, Paddy Considine should have been nominated for Best Actor as well for he carries much of the movie. Hounsou's performance is problematic because it is the archetypal magic negro role. I won't spoil the ending for you but you all know what magical negroes do. Also, the Irish immigrant family embodied by Considine, Morton and the wonderfully guileless Bolger sisters, Sarah and Emma, seem to land in a candy-colored, magical realist New York City. Sure, times are hard and they live in a tenement, but the girls roller skate on hardwood floors, attend Catholic school and walk unmolested to an old fashioned ice cream parlor run by African immigrants. Still, the movie is full of wonderful little grace notes and is worthy of all the awards it won. ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: In America
The mathematician in me, knowing those odds, would've walked away... On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: As a metaphor for being poor and immigrant, In America features the most insidious arcade game I have ever seen. A barker conjoles you to spend a dollar to win an Elmo doll. All you have to do is throw three baseball sized balls into the mouth of an aluminum drain pipe (that is surrounded by happy little Elmo dolls). The catch is, if you fail to place on three balls into the mouth of the pipe, you pay the barker double - but it is double or nothing. If you wager another $2 and you win, you owe nothing. If you lose you owe $4 in addition to the original $2 you lost. But, once again, if you wager another $8 and you win you owe nothing. But, if you lose, you owe $16. If you quit while you are ahead but behind you are now out of $26. But if you bet just $32 and you win, well you owe nothing. Do the math. You can walk away $26 poorer but for just $8 more you could owe nothing AND win an Elmo doll. Shoot, that's almost breaking even. So you pony up ANOTHER $32 dollars. And lose. Now you owe another $64 dollars. Now you are in for $90 but in you just wager another 128 dollars... --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@... wrote: Meant to catch that, but work made me forget to Autotune it. I'm chasing it down now to see when it re-airs. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I just finished watching Jim Sheridan's In America. I remembered when this little film got 3 Oscar nominations back in 2004 (Best Actress for Samantha Morton, Best Supporting Actor for Djimon Hounsou and Best Screenplay for Sheridan). At the time I was like WTF? because I had never heard of it (it made $25 million at the box office, which is kinda impressive because I don't know anybody who saw it). I was intrigued primarily because of Hounsou's Supporting Actor nod (like Denzel Washington's Glory character Trip, who ran for President, Hounsou didn't win). Well, I just saw it and it is a remarkable little film. Both the acting nods were well deserved and, frankly, Paddy Considine should have been nominated for Best Actor as well for he carries much of the movie. Hounsou's performance is problematic because it is the archetypal magic negro role. I won't spoil the ending for you but you all know what magical negroes do. Also, the Irish immigrant family embodied by Considine, Morton and the wonderfully guileless Bolger sisters, Sarah and Emma, seem to land in a candy-colored, magical realist New York City. Sure, times are hard and they live in a tenement, but the girls roller skate on hardwood floors, attend Catholic school and walk unmolested to an old fashioned ice cream parlor run by African immigrants. Still, the movie is full of wonderful little grace notes and is worthy of all the awards it won. ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Re: air america
I try every day to deny this truth, but the sad reality is that racism, hatred, false accusations, sensationalism, unwarranted attacks, gossip, and fear mongering seem to produce more listeners/viewers in America than reasoned, balanced conversation. No surprise at all, but a source of never ending disappointment... - Original Message - From: Cinque cinque3...@verizon.net To: Wright Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com, tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com, afrikanm...@hotmail.com, Albert Fields cbilmarket...@yahoo.com, bettil...@msn.com, dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net, duva...@hotmail.com, fis...@bellsouth.net, GTW gwashin...@aol.com, Jeffrey Ballou jeffreypbal...@gmail.com, Kai Pettaway killa...@gmail.com, kalpub...@aol.com, keithbjohn...@comcast.net, Kera imke...@gmail.com, Leroy Hughes seriousnup...@yahoo.com, Logic logic1...@aol.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@icqmail.com, Marvalous mmb1...@gmail.com, Michael Gordon gord...@indiana.edu, michael v w gordon michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com, rs...@yahoo.com, Seku Brathwaite everything...@nyc.rr.com, Valery Jean valeryjea...@yahoo.com, Wendell Theophilus Smith wendellsmit...@gmail.com, Whitney J Evans sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net, williamsf...@speakeasy.net, Zanfordino Anthony beta...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:37:04 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: air america OS ANGELES – Air America Radio , a radio network that was launched in 2004 as a liberal alternative to Rush Limbaugh and other conservative commentators, on Thursday shut down abruptly due to financial woes. The network once boasted hosts such as Al Franken and Rachel Maddow , but struggled from the outset, including multiple management shake-ups, a bankruptcy in 2006 and sale for $4.25 million the following year. Air America ceased airing new programs Thursday afternoon and said it will soon file to be liquidated under Chapter 7 bankruptcy . It began broadcasting reruns of programs and would end those as well Monday night. The very difficult economic environment has had a significant impact on Air America's business. This past year has seen a `perfect storm' in the media industry generally, the company said in a statement on its Web site. The New York-based network said its painstaking search for new investors came close to succeeding even this week, but ultimately fell short. Carey Curelop, operations director for KPTK-AM 1090, an affiliate station in Seattle, said Air America's launch prompted the station to switch from classic country to a progressive talk format in 2005 in the middle of the George W. Bush presidency . Although the station's programming was once filled entirely by Air America shows, it weaned itself off nearly completely as the company's financial troubles became public. It will only need to replace The Ron Reagan Show from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. and a midnight show called Clout, but other left-leaning shows are now available from syndicators, he said. There was a needed outlet for the left on the air, Curelop said. We're totally indebted to Air America for launching the network and allowing us to get our feet on the ground. New York real estate magnate Stephen Green and his brother, politician Mark Green , bought the company out of bankruptcy in March 2007. Messages left for them were not immediately returned. Air America said 10 consecutive quarters of declining ad revenue and the difficulty of making money on the Internet contributed to its troubles. The network had some 100 radio outlets nationwide. Franken, a Democrat, hosted his own show from 2004 to 2007 before leaving to campaign for a U.S. senate seat in Minnesota, which he won last year after a recount battle decided by the state Supreme Court. Maddow went on to host her own TV show on MSNBC . - Original Message - From: Wright Kelwyn To: tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com ; scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: Lockhart, Daryle ; afrikanm...@hotmail.com ; Albert Fields ; bettil...@msn.com ; CINQUE ; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net ; duva...@hotmail.com ; fis...@bellsouth.net ; GTW ; Jeffrey Ballou ; Kai Pettaway ; kalpub...@aol.com ; keithbjohn...@comcast.net ; Kera ; Leroy Hughes ; Logic ; Martin Baxter ; Marvalous ; Michael Gordon ; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com ; rs...@yahoo.com ; Seku Brathwaite ; Valery Jean ; Wendell Theophilus Smith ; Whitney J Evans ; williamsf...@speakeasy.net ; Zanfordino Anthony Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Leno Giver: Urban Word of the Day Leno Giver: Urban Word of the Day Fri, January 22, 2010 4:00:05 AM From: Urban Dictionary da...@urbandictionary.com Add to Contacts To: Wright Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com January 22 : Leno Giver When someone retires from a legendary television franchise, passes the torch to a worthy successor. Then he gets
[scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors
Well it's a remake of a series that predates Lost. Does that help? LOL It feels nothing like Lost. Very different characters and very different motivations for their actions. With 99% of the world dead by the end of episode one it gets to the meat of the series pretty quickly. If I'd compare the feel to any show it would be Jericho. Some of the same problems and struggles but with a lot less people and guns. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockwork...@... wrote: Any genre work with surviving parties reminds me of Lost.. I want variety dag nab it!!! (Cant wait for The new Global Frequency to air!!) c w m On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:29 PM, B Smith daikaij...@... wrote: What about Survivors reminds you of Lost? It has some of the same themes as The Walking Dead but the lack of zombies takes the story in a few different directions. ;) I've seen about 1/2 of season one and it's great. Things like Survivors, 28 Days Later, Shaun of the Dead, etc. remind me just how American and British culture differs. The lack of accessible privately held firearms makes for very different storytelling. It comes into play in a big way early in the series. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockworkman@ wrote: This not only sounds Lost like... but realize that Walking Dead is coming out this yearanother year with several of the same shows...yeah On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@wrote: I remember it, Angela, though vaguely right now. I'll need to go and pick up a prompt or fourteen. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com From: asrobinson@ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:40:51 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors It's on my calendar now too! Thanks. Weren't we all recently discussing wanting a show that would pick up where movies like 2012 leave off? At the time I asked if anyone had seen the 1984 PBS movie Threads. It was pretty provacative. Anyone else remeber it? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors BBC America http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ has announced the launch date for post-apocalyptic drama series Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ . The much-delayed Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is an adaptation of the cult classic 1970s series (itself based on Terry Nation http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0622334/ 's novel), will have its Us premiere on Saturday, February 13th at 8 pm Et/Pt, before shifting to its regular timeslot at 9 pm Et/Pt the following week. The series tracks the adventures of a group of people who survive a global viral holocaust that wipes out 99 percent of the human race's population and who struggle to stay alive in the face of unspeakable odds following this global catastrophe. In the official scheduling announcement, BBC http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ America refers to the twelve-episode season of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is a sign that the digital cabler intend to air the first two UK seasons of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ back-to-back. Season One, which aired in the UK in 2008, was comprised of six episodes and the second season of - Jace http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1157595/news#ni1324874 -- Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- READ MY BLOG http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://stringtheory.podbean.com -- READ MY BLOG http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://stringtheory.podbean.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors
Shows that Lost is not so original. Is it really worth checking out? On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:31 AM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: Well it's a remake of a series that predates Lost. Does that help? LOL It feels nothing like Lost. Very different characters and very different motivations for their actions. With 99% of the world dead by the end of episode one it gets to the meat of the series pretty quickly. If I'd compare the feel to any show it would be Jericho. Some of the same problems and struggles but with a lot less people and guns. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockwork...@... wrote: Any genre work with surviving parties reminds me of Lost.. I want variety dag nab it!!! (Cant wait for The new Global Frequency to air!!) c w m On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:29 PM, B Smith daikaij...@... wrote: What about Survivors reminds you of Lost? It has some of the same themes as The Walking Dead but the lack of zombies takes the story in a few different directions. ;) I've seen about 1/2 of season one and it's great. Things like Survivors, 28 Days Later, Shaun of the Dead, etc. remind me just how American and British culture differs. The lack of accessible privately held firearms makes for very different storytelling. It comes into play in a big way early in the series. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockworkman@ wrote: This not only sounds Lost like... but realize that Walking Dead is coming out this yearanother year with several of the same shows...yeah On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@wrote: I remember it, Angela, though vaguely right now. I'll need to go and pick up a prompt or fourteen. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com From: asrobinson@ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:40:51 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors It's on my calendar now too! Thanks. Weren't we all recently discussing wanting a show that would pick up where movies like 2012 leave off? At the time I asked if anyone had seen the 1984 PBS movie Threads. It was pretty provacative. Anyone else remeber it? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors BBC America http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ has announced the launch date for post-apocalyptic drama series Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ . The much-delayed Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is an adaptation of the cult classic 1970s series (itself based on Terry Nation http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0622334/ 's novel), will have its Us premiere on Saturday, February 13th at 8 pm Et/Pt, before shifting to its regular timeslot at 9 pm Et/Pt the following week. The series tracks the adventures of a group of people who survive a global viral holocaust that wipes out 99 percent of the human race's population and who struggle to stay alive in the face of unspeakable odds following this global catastrophe. In the official scheduling announcement, BBC http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ America refers to the twelve-episode season of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is a sign that the digital cabler intend to air the first two UK seasons of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ back-to-back. Season One, which aired in the UK in 2008, was comprised of six episodes and the second season of - Jace http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1157595/news#ni1324874 -- Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- READ MY BLOG http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://stringtheory.podbean.com -- READ MY BLOG http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://stringtheory.podbean.com -- READ MY BLOG http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://stringtheory.podbean.com
[scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors
If you like the post-apocalyptic genre it will definitely scratch that itch. Patterson Joseph has a great role and it's always a pleasure to watch Freema do her thing. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockwork...@... wrote: Shows that Lost is not so original. Is it really worth checking out? On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:31 AM, B Smith daikaij...@... wrote: Well it's a remake of a series that predates Lost. Does that help? LOL It feels nothing like Lost. Very different characters and very different motivations for their actions. With 99% of the world dead by the end of episode one it gets to the meat of the series pretty quickly. If I'd compare the feel to any show it would be Jericho. Some of the same problems and struggles but with a lot less people and guns. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockworkman@ wrote: Any genre work with surviving parties reminds me of Lost.. I want variety dag nab it!!! (Cant wait for The new Global Frequency to air!!) c w m On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:29 PM, B Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: What about Survivors reminds you of Lost? It has some of the same themes as The Walking Dead but the lack of zombies takes the story in a few different directions. ;) I've seen about 1/2 of season one and it's great. Things like Survivors, 28 Days Later, Shaun of the Dead, etc. remind me just how American and British culture differs. The lack of accessible privately held firearms makes for very different storytelling. It comes into play in a big way early in the series. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockworkman@ wrote: This not only sounds Lost like... but realize that Walking Dead is coming out this yearanother year with several of the same shows...yeah On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@wrote: I remember it, Angela, though vaguely right now. I'll need to go and pick up a prompt or fourteen. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com From: asrobinson@ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:40:51 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors It's on my calendar now too! Thanks. Weren't we all recently discussing wanting a show that would pick up where movies like 2012 leave off? At the time I asked if anyone had seen the 1984 PBS movie Threads. It was pretty provacative. Anyone else remeber it? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors BBC America http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ has announced the launch date for post-apocalyptic drama series Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ . The much-delayed Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is an adaptation of the cult classic 1970s series (itself based on Terry Nation http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0622334/ 's novel), will have its Us premiere on Saturday, February 13th at 8 pm Et/Pt, before shifting to its regular timeslot at 9 pm Et/Pt the following week. The series tracks the adventures of a group of people who survive a global viral holocaust that wipes out 99 percent of the human race's population and who struggle to stay alive in the face of unspeakable odds following this global catastrophe. In the official scheduling announcement, BBC http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ America refers to the twelve-episode season of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is a sign that the digital cabler intend to air the first two UK seasons of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ back-to-back. Season One, which aired in the UK in 2008, was comprised of six episodes and the second season of - Jace http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1157595/news#ni1324874 -- Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors
I heard Jerhico was garbage.. On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:50 PM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: If you like the post-apocalyptic genre it will definitely scratch that itch. Patterson Joseph has a great role and it's always a pleasure to watch Freema do her thing. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockwork...@... wrote: Shows that Lost is not so original. Is it really worth checking out? On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:31 AM, B Smith daikaij...@... wrote: Well it's a remake of a series that predates Lost. Does that help? LOL It feels nothing like Lost. Very different characters and very different motivations for their actions. With 99% of the world dead by the end of episode one it gets to the meat of the series pretty quickly. If I'd compare the feel to any show it would be Jericho. Some of the same problems and struggles but with a lot less people and guns. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockworkman@ wrote: Any genre work with surviving parties reminds me of Lost.. I want variety dag nab it!!! (Cant wait for The new Global Frequency to air!!) c w m On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:29 PM, B Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: What about Survivors reminds you of Lost? It has some of the same themes as The Walking Dead but the lack of zombies takes the story in a few different directions. ;) I've seen about 1/2 of season one and it's great. Things like Survivors, 28 Days Later, Shaun of the Dead, etc. remind me just how American and British culture differs. The lack of accessible privately held firearms makes for very different storytelling. It comes into play in a big way early in the series. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockworkman@ wrote: This not only sounds Lost like... but realize that Walking Dead is coming out this yearanother year with several of the same shows...yeah On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@wrote: I remember it, Angela, though vaguely right now. I'll need to go and pick up a prompt or fourteen. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com From: asrobinson@ Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:40:51 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors It's on my calendar now too! Thanks. Weren't we all recently discussing wanting a show that would pick up where movies like 2012 leave off? At the time I asked if anyone had seen the 1984 PBS movie Threads. It was pretty provacative. Anyone else remeber it? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comscifinoir2%40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors BBC America http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ has announced the launch date for post-apocalyptic drama series Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ . The much-delayed Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is an adaptation of the cult classic 1970s series (itself based on Terry Nation http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0622334/ 's novel), will have its Us premiere on Saturday, February 13th at 8 pm Et/Pt, before shifting to its regular timeslot at 9 pm Et/Pt the following week. The series tracks the adventures of a group of people who survive a global viral holocaust that wipes out 99 percent of the human race's population and who struggle to stay alive in the face of unspeakable odds following this global catastrophe. In the official scheduling announcement, BBC http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ America refers to the twelve-episode season of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is a sign that the digital cabler intend to air the first two UK seasons of Survivors http
[scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors
It originally aired in 1984. I was a teenager and it freaked me out. As the story unfolded, you were told things about the post-fallout time-line like how many died from radiation poisoning in 1 week, in 1 month, etc., when all the canned food ran out, changing environmental conditions, when the last trees died, how governments tried to maintain control, etc., and, lastly, when ... [well that's the final scene of the movie and I don't want to give it away--see the end of this email if you want to fill in the blank]. It goes on like that for 15 years. Everyone was glued to the TV. Here's Amazon's summary of Threads (better than IMDb's): The original BBC drama that shocked a generation. Set in the paranoia of nuclear war, this chilling BAFTA-award winning BBC2 drama was aired causing outrage and anxiety amongst the viewing public due to its graphic and realistic storytelling of a possible nuclear strike. After its initial airing Threads became a national talking point and became a powerful and terrifying glimpse into a post holocaust world after a devastating nuclear bomb. Even more terrifying was that this 'drama' could in fact easily become a living nightmare. Set in Sheffield, the story follows Ruth and her fiancee who are looking forward to beginning a new life with a baby and a new flat when suddenly the unthinkable happens and the world is suddenly erupted into a full scale nuclear war. After the attack the landscape is changed dramatically with the survivors scavenging through the devastation and corpses, trying to forage what they can; nurses in hospitals unable to do anything other than comfort the dying; and a society is descended back to its most basic level. Wikipedia has a detailed story outline too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads . SPOILER FROM ABOVE: ...when it becomes apparent that the world's viable reproduction rate has dropped to zero. Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I am so there. I have heard great things. It will be good to see the girl who played Martha in Doctor who again. I have not seen or heard anything about threads. When did it air? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of angelababycat Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors It's on my calendar now too! Thanks. Weren't we all recently discussing wanting a show that would pick up where movies like 2012 leave off? At the time I asked if anyone had seen the 1984 PBS movie Threads. It was pretty provacative. Anyone else remeber it? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors BBC America http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ has announced the launch date for post-apocalyptic drama series Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ . The much-delayed Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is an adaptation of the cult classic 1970s series (itself based on Terry Nation http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0622334/ 's novel), will have its Us premiere on Saturday, February 13th at 8 pm Et/Pt, before shifting to its regular timeslot at 9 pm Et/Pt the following week. The series tracks the adventures of a group of people who survive a global viral holocaust that wipes out 99 percent of the human race's population and who struggle to stay alive in the face of unspeakable odds following this global catastrophe. In the official scheduling announcement, BBC http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ America refers to the twelve-episode season of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is a sign that the digital cabler intend to air the first two UK seasons of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ back-to-back. Season One, which aired in the UK in 2008, was comprised of six episodes and the second season of - Jace http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1157595/news#ni1324874 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=m\ apYa hoo! Groups Links
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Any genre work with surviving parties reminds me of Lost.. I want variety dag nab it!!! (Cant wait for The new Global Frequency to air!!) c w m On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 5:29 PM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: What about Survivors reminds you of Lost? It has some of the same themes as The Walking Dead but the lack of zombies takes the story in a few different directions. ;) I've seen about 1/2 of season one and it's great. Things like Survivors, 28 Days Later, Shaun of the Dead, etc. remind me just how American and British culture differs. The lack of accessible privately held firearms makes for very different storytelling. It comes into play in a big way early in the series. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockwork...@... wrote: This not only sounds Lost like... but realize that Walking Dead is coming out this yearanother year with several of the same shows...yeah On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@...wrote: I remember it, Angela, though vaguely right now. I'll need to go and pick up a prompt or fourteen. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com From: asrobin...@... Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:40:51 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors It's on my calendar now too! Thanks. Weren't we all recently discussing wanting a show that would pick up where movies like 2012 leave off? At the time I asked if anyone had seen the 1984 PBS movie Threads. It was pretty provacative. Anyone else remeber it? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors BBC America http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ has announced the launch date for post-apocalyptic drama series Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ . The much-delayed Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is an adaptation of the cult classic 1970s series (itself based on Terry Nation http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0622334/ 's novel), will have its Us premiere on Saturday, February 13th at 8 pm Et/Pt, before shifting to its regular timeslot at 9 pm Et/Pt the following week. The series tracks the adventures of a group of people who survive a global viral holocaust that wipes out 99 percent of the human race's population and who struggle to stay alive in the face of unspeakable odds following this global catastrophe. In the official scheduling announcement, BBC http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ America refers to the twelve-episode season of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is a sign that the digital cabler intend to air the first two UK seasons of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ back-to-back. Season One, which aired in the UK in 2008, was comprised of six episodes and the second season of - Jace http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1157595/news#ni1324874 -- Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- READ MY BLOG http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://stringtheory.podbean.com -- READ MY BLOG http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://stringtheory.podbean.com
[scifinoir2] Re: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors
It's on my calendar now too! Thanks. Weren't we all recently discussing wanting a show that would pick up where movies like 2012 leave off? At the time I asked if anyone had seen the 1984 PBS movie Threads. It was pretty provacative. Anyone else remeber it? Angela --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors BBC America http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ has announced the launch date for post-apocalyptic drama series Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ . The much-delayed Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is an adaptation of the cult classic 1970s series (itself based on Terry Nation http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0622334/ 's novel), will have its Us premiere on Saturday, February 13th at 8 pm Et/Pt, before shifting to its regular timeslot at 9 pm Et/Pt the following week. The series tracks the adventures of a group of people who survive a global viral holocaust that wipes out 99 percent of the human race's population and who struggle to stay alive in the face of unspeakable odds following this global catastrophe. In the official scheduling announcement, BBC http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ America refers to the twelve-episode season of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is a sign that the digital cabler intend to air the first two UK seasons of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ back-to-back. Season One, which aired in the UK in 2008, was comprised of six episodes and the second season of - Jace http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1157595/news#ni1324874
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That's awesome news. I've seen the first three episodes and I'm hooked. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: Sorry About the repeat From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:28 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors BBC America Announces Launch Date for Survivors BBC America http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ has announced the launch date for post-apocalyptic drama series Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ . The much-delayed Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is an adaptation of the cult classic 1970s series (itself based on Terry Nation http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0622334/ 's novel), will have its Us premiere on Saturday, February 13th at 8 pm Et/Pt, before shifting to its regular timeslot at 9 pm Et/Pt the following week. The series tracks the adventures of a group of people who survive a global viral holocaust that wipes out 99 percent of the human race's population and who struggle to stay alive in the face of unspeakable odds following this global catastrophe. In the official scheduling announcement, BBC http://www.imdb.com/company/co0118334/ America refers to the twelve-episode season of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ , which is a sign that the digital cabler intend to air the first two UK seasons of Survivors http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/ back-to-back. Season One, which aired in the UK in 2008, was comprised of six episodes and the second season of - Jace http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1157595/news#ni1324874
[scifinoir2] Re: Will America Watch Watchmen?
The teaser trailer for Watchmen is the best thing I've seen in a long time and all the early screenings have generated nothing but positive buzz. The point about the ending has some merit and I'm interested in seeing how they pull it off. I agree about American audiences being provincial and film makers dumbing down or altering down challenging material for American audiences. I found it hilarious that movies like Mad Max and The Road Warrior were redubbed during their initial American releases because they thought Americans wouldn't watch a movie where people had accents. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read articles about how back in the 50's and the 60's planned for a comeback that we saw in the 90s and over the past eight years. The were two important strategies. Creating and exploiting the culture wars and dumbing America down.I wonder if that is part of why we do not embrace movies and shows with complex plots and characters. I think the Americanizing of TV shows has to do with the fact the we as a nation are egocentric, and think that the world revolves around the United State. Everywhere else is just strange . not interesting as most of us would view it. I think that America pride/Patriotic thing was part of the plan as well. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Will America Watch Watchmen? You know, I tire sometimes of what Americans can and can't deal with. So silly that shows like Life on Mars have to be Americanized before we watch them, that you have to have name stars to sell a good project, that explosions and action are prerequisites for popular films. That movies like the Forbidden Kingdom and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen insert American actors incongruously just so Americans will watch. I'm excited by Watchmen, excited by the differences between it and other fare we've seen. I'm not turned off at all by it being a bit slower in the action area. And while I get that the costumes and other things may not be up to Batman standards, I look forward to something else being added to the superhero movie genre. It may be that Americans won't flock to it, favoring whatever new project Will Smith is in instead. It may be a reality, but it just makes me sigh and roll my eyes whenever I hear this. I guess, though, that's why stuff like Bad Boys II make money -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will America Watch Watchmen? http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=61133 Director Zack Snyder unveiled nearly half an hour of footage from his upcoming epic film Watchmen earlier this month. While fans and journalists--including SCI FI Wire--raved about the preview, our writer Jeff Otto wonders: Will mainstream audiences watch the Watchmen? Rumors began circulating two decades ago about a film adaptation of Watchmen, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons' comics magnum opus, which was first published by DC Comics in 1986. Moore, whose contributions to the graphic-novel medium include The Killing Joke, V for Vendetta and From Hell, had delivered the genre's first masterpiece. The deeply layered epic was filled with visuals that seemed perfectly suited to cinema. But filmmakers puzzled over how to adapt it: Such a project would be costly, and the book itself lacked major action sequences, was unevenly paced an d told a story at odds with film's traditional plot structure. Filmmakers as varied as Terry Gilliam, Paul Greengrass and Darren Aronofsky were attached at different points during Watchmen's extensive development hell process, but all eventually opted out to pursue other projects. For his part, the famously prickly and anti-Hollywood Moore never saw Watchmen as a fit subject for cinematic adaptation, no matter the director. There are things that we did with Watchmen that could only work in a comic, the notoriously private Moore recently told Entertainment Weekly in a rare interview. He added that the book was designed to show off things that other media can't. But one director persisted. Zack Snyder previously delivered fan faves Dawn of the Dead and 300. He ultimately won the right to make a Watchmen movie. The question now: Has he succeeded in adapting Watchmen as a movie audiences will want t o see? Considering the first footage screened at Comic-Con International and in previews in Los Angeles and New York this month, Snyder's Watchmen movie is clearly taking its look and feel from the frames of Moore's novel. But that in itself may pose a problem. Can an adaptation be too faithful to its source material? It's clear that fans of the graphic novel will likely love Snyder's adaption
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What??!! Are you serious?! -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] The teaser trailer for Watchmen is the best thing I've seen in a long time and all the early screenings have generated nothing but positive buzz. The point about the ending has some merit and I'm interested in seeing how they pull it off. I agree about American audiences being provincial and film makers dumbing down or altering down challenging material for American audiences. I found it hilarious that movies like Mad Max and The Road Warrior were redubbed during their initial American releases because they thought Americans wouldn't watch a movie where people had accents. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read articles about how back in the 50's and the 60's planned for a comeback that we saw in the 90s and over the past eight years. The were two important strategies. Creating and exploiting the culture wars and dumbing America down. I wonder if that is part of why we do not embrace movies and shows with complex plots and characters. I think the Americanizing of TV shows has to do with the fact the we as a nation are egocentric, and think that the world revolves around the United State. Everywhere else is just strange . not interesting as most of us would view it. I think that America pride/Patriotic thing was part of the plan as well. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Will America Watch Watchmen? You know, I tire sometimes of what Americans can and can't deal with. So silly that shows like Life on Mars have to be Americanized before we watch them, that you have to have name stars to sell a good project, that explosions and action are prerequisites for popular films. That movies like the Forbidden Kingdom and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen insert American actors incongruously just so Americans will watch. I'm excited by Watchmen, excited by the differences between it and other fare we've seen. I'm not turned off at all by it being a bit slower in the action area. And while I get that the costumes and other things may not be up to Batman standards, I look forward to something else being added to the superhero movie genre. It may be that Americans won't flock to it, favoring whatever new project Will Smith is in instead. It may be a reality, but it just makes me sigh and roll my eyes whenever I hear this. I guess, though, that's why stuff like Bad Boys II make money -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will America Watch Watchmen? http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=61133 Director Zack Snyder unveiled nearly half an hour of footage from his upcoming epic film Watchmen earlier this month. While fans and journalists--including SCI FI Wire--raved about the preview, our writer Jeff Otto wonders: Will mainstream audiences watch the Watchmen? Rumors began circulating two decades ago about a film adaptation of Watchmen, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons' comics magnum opus, which was first published by DC Comics in 1986. Moore, whose contributions to the graphic-novel medium include The Killing Joke, V for Vendetta and From Hell, had delivered the genre's first masterpiece. The deeply layered epic was filled with visuals that seemed perfectly suited to cinema. But filmmakers puzzled over how to adapt it: Such a project would be costly, and the book itself lacked major action sequences, was unevenly paced an d told a story at odds with film's traditional plot structure. Filmmakers as varied as Terry Gilliam, Paul Greengrass and Darren Aronofsky were attached at different points during Watchmen's extensive development hell process, but all eventually opted out to pursue other projects. For his part, the famously prickly and anti-Hollywood Moore never saw Watchmen as a fit subject for cinematic adaptation, no matter the director. There are things that we did with Watchmen that could only work in a comic, the notoriously private Moore recently told Entertainment Weekly in a rare interview. He added that the book was designed to show off things that other media can't. But one director persisted. Zack Snyder previously delivered fan faves Dawn of the Dead and 300. He ultimately won the right to make a Watchmen movie. The question now: Has he succeeded in adapting Watchmen as a movie audiences will want t o see? Considering the first footage screened at Comic-Con International and in previews in Los Angeles and New York this month, Snyder's Watchmen movie is clearly taking its look and feel from the frames of Moore's novel. But that in itself may pose a problem. Can an adaptation be too faithful to its source material
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About the dubbing? Yes I am. The redubbed Mad Max still pops up on cable quite a bit. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What??!! Are you serious?! -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] The teaser trailer for Watchmen is the best thing I've seen in a long time and all the early screenings have generated nothing but positive buzz. The point about the ending has some merit and I'm interested in seeing how they pull it off. I agree about American audiences being provincial and film makers dumbing down or altering down challenging material for American audiences. I found it hilarious that movies like Mad Max and The Road Warrior were redubbed during their initial American releases because they thought Americans wouldn't watch a movie where people had accents. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: I've read articles about how back in the 50's and the 60's planned for a comeback that we saw in the 90s and over the past eight years. The were two important strategies. Creating and exploiting the culture wars and dumbing America down. I wonder if that is part of why we do not embrace movies and shows with complex plots and characters. I think the Americanizing of TV shows has to do with the fact the we as a nation are egocentric, and think that the world revolves around the United State. Everywhere else is just strange . not interesting as most of us would view it. I think that America pride/Patriotic thing was part of the plan as well. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KeithBJohnson@ Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Will America Watch Watchmen? You know, I tire sometimes of what Americans can and can't deal with. So silly that shows like Life on Mars have to be Americanized before we watch them, that you have to have name stars to sell a good project, that explosions and action are prerequisites for popular films. That movies like the Forbidden Kingdom and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen insert American actors incongruously just so Americans will watch. I'm excited by Watchmen, excited by the differences between it and other fare we've seen. I'm not turned off at all by it being a bit slower in the action area. And while I get that the costumes and other things may not be up to Batman standards, I look forward to something else being added to the superhero movie genre. It may be that Americans won't flock to it, favoring whatever new project Will Smith is in instead. It may be a reality, but it just makes me sigh and roll my eyes whenever I hear this. I guess, though, that's why stuff like Bad Boys II make money -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ Will America Watch Watchmen? http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=61133 Director Zack Snyder unveiled nearly half an hour of footage from his upcoming epic film Watchmen earlier this month. While fans and journalists--including SCI FI Wire--raved about the preview, our writer Jeff Otto wonders: Will mainstream audiences watch the Watchmen? Rumors began circulating two decades ago about a film adaptation of Watchmen, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons' comics magnum opus, which was first published by DC Comics in 1986. Moore, whose contributions to the graphic-novel medium include The Killing Joke, V for Vendetta and From Hell, had delivered the genre's first masterpiece. The deeply layered epic was filled with visuals that seemed perfectly suited to cinema. But filmmakers puzzled over how to adapt it: Such a project would be costly, and the book itself lacked major action sequences, was unevenly paced an d told a story at odds with film's traditional plot structure. Filmmakers as varied as Terry Gilliam, Paul Greengrass and Darren Aronofsky were attached at different points during Watchmen's extensive development hell process, but all eventually opted out to pursue other projects. For his part, the famously prickly and anti-Hollywood Moore never saw Watchmen as a fit subject for cinematic adaptation, no matter the director. There are things that we did with Watchmen that could only work in a comic, the notoriously private Moore recently told Entertainment Weekly in a rare interview. He added that the book was designed to show off things that other media can't. But one director persisted. Zack Snyder previously delivered fan faves Dawn of the Dead and 300. He ultimately won the right to make a Watchmen movie. The question now: Has he succeeded in adapting Watchmen as a movie audiences will want t o see? Considering the first footage screened at Comic-Con
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wow -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] About the dubbing? Yes I am. The redubbed Mad Max still pops up on cable quite a bit. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What??!! Are you serious?! -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] The teaser trailer for Watchmen is the best thing I've seen in a long time and all the early screenings have generated nothing but positive buzz. The point about the ending has some merit and I'm interested in seeing how they pull it off. I agree about American audiences being provincial and film makers dumbing down or altering down challenging material for American audiences. I found it hilarious that movies like Mad Max and The Road Warrior were redubbed during their initial American releases because they thought Americans wouldn't watch a movie where people had accents. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: I've read articles about how back in the 50's and the 60's planned for a comeback that we saw in the 90s and over the past eight years. The were two important strategies. Creating and exploiting the culture wars and dumbing America down. I wonder if that is part of why we do not embrace movies and shows with complex plots and characters. I think the Americanizing of TV shows has to do with the fact the we as a nation are egocentric, and think that the world revolves around the United State. Everywhere else is just strange . not interesting as most of us would view it. I think that America pride/Patriotic thing was part of the plan as well. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KeithBJohnson@ Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Will America Watch Watchmen? You know, I tire sometimes of what Americans can and can't deal with. So silly that shows like Life on Mars have to be Americanized before we watch them, that you have to have name stars to sell a good project, that explosions and action are prerequisites for popular films. That movies like the Forbidden Kingdom and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen insert American actors incongruously just so Americans will watch. I'm excited by Watchmen, excited by the differences between it and other fare we've seen. I'm not turned off at all by it being a bit slower in the action area. And while I get that the costumes and other things may not be up to Batman standards, I look forward to something else being added to the superhero movie genre. It may be that Americans won't flock to it, favoring whatever new project Will Smith is in instead. It may be a reality, but it just makes me sigh and roll my eyes whenever I hear this. I guess, though, that's why stuff like Bad Boys II make money -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ Will America Watch Watchmen? http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=61133 Director Zack Snyder unveiled nearly half an hour of footage from his upcoming epic film Watchmen earlier this month. While fans and journalists--including SCI FI Wire--raved about the preview, our writer Jeff Otto wonders: Will mainstream audiences watch the Watchmen? Rumors began circulating two decades ago about a film adaptation of Watchmen, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons' comics magnum opus, which was first published by DC Comics in 1986. Moore, whose contributions to the graphic-novel medium include The Killing Joke, V for Vendetta and From Hell, had delivered the genre's first masterpiece. The deeply layered epic was filled with visuals that seemed perfectly suited to cinema. But filmmakers puzzled over how to adapt it: Such a project would be costly, and the book itself lacked major action sequences, was unevenly paced an d told a story at odds with film's traditional plot structure. Filmmakers as varied as Terry Gilliam, Paul Greengrass and Darren Aronofsky were attached at different points during Watchmen's extensive development hell process, but all eventually opted out to pursue other projects. For his part, the famously prickly and anti-Hollywood Moore never saw Watchmen as a fit subject for cinematic adaptation, no matter the director. There are things that we did with Watchmen that could only work in a comic, the notoriously private Moore recently told Entertainment Weekly in a rare interview. He added that the book was designed to show off things that other media can't. But one director persisted. Zack Snyder previously delivered fan faves Dawn of the Dead and 300. He ultimately won the right to make a Watchmen movie. The question now: Has he succeeded in adapting Watchmen as a movie
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Meta: I relate. While living in Mexico, even though I was only one country over, I felt disconnected... particularly from Scifi TV and movies I can't remember where you live. Is it the Netherlands? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Meta Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:24 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Will America Watch Watchmen? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In perfect honesty, the more I hear about it through ads and discussions in all of the SF groups I'm in, the *less* I want to see it. When it's released, I'll probably break out my trade and read it through. I'm reading this now. I'd never heard of it until it was mentioned here. Living outside for so long I find I did/do miss a lot of interesting stuff out there. I'm so glad I joined this group. Thanks All. Anyway, from what I've read so far of Watchmen I just don't see how it can be done as live action. Seems to me that what works in comic form rarely translate when real people are involved. I'm so glad you guys get to test the waters before I do.:-) Meta Yahoo! Groups Links
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--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In perfect honesty, the more I hear about it through ads and discussions in all of the SF groups I'm in, the *less* I want to see it. When it's released, I'll probably break out my trade and read it through. I'm reading this now. I'd never heard of it until it was mentioned here. Living outside for so long I find I did/do miss a lot of interesting stuff out there. I'm so glad I joined this group. Thanks All. Anyway, from what I've read so far of Watchmen I just don't see how it can be done as live action. Seems to me that what works in comic form rarely translate when real people are involved. I'm so glad you guys get to test the waters before I do.:-) Meta
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Beyond I completely missed. Don't even recall seeing it on shelves anywhere. B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Civil War got all the press but Annihilation, Planet Hulk and Beyond were really well done. Beyond slipped in under the radar but Dwayne McDuffie and Scott Kollins really put together a great series. It starts off like Secret Wars III but turns into something else entirely. It's definitely worth picking up. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good points. I do agree that Steve Rogers' going so far in his rebellion was a little surprising, but you have to look at it in context of the gulag Stark and Richards built, the draconian measures of the Act, and the suddeness of it's application. I even agree that Spidey should *never* have revealed his identity, which was up there with Superman and Batman's identities in terms of the importance of secrecy. I think, though, that the overall intentions and meanings of the story resonated with me. The execution and particulars were indeed clumsy in many points, but the overall feeling I was left with was powerful. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a nutshell: great idea, crappy characterizations and execution. The pro side came off like evil mustache twirlers. The government sanctioning homicidal villains to hunt down heroes. Spider-Man revealing his identity(ugh). The return of an unstuck in time Captain Mar-Vell(Who shouldn't have blonde hair btw. His hair was silver until he gained Cosmic Awareness. It's a nitpick but it's an important point to his origin) Negative Zone Prison aka Stalag 42. Captain America was written like Ultimate Captain America and not the original Captain America. Giant Man killed and discarded like a piece of garbage. The murderous clone of Thor. The Joss Whedon ending. Bad, bad choice. It ended with a whimper and it wasn't what this series needed. IMHO they should have merged Civil War and the companion book into one 12 issue series. It would have helped the story flow and fleshed out the narrative. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Why didn't you like it? I was surprised that several of y'all in ScifiNoir felt that way. Most seem to have greatly preferred the Annhilation series instead. I liked Civil War because of its resonance with real-life events, the tackling of that blurred line between fantasy and reality (we all know in real life superbeings would have been conscripted long ago), and the attempt to deal with Cap's old fashioned ideals, which to some simply give rise to his treasonous behaviour. Still hate that Spidey unmasked though.. The Marvel U is going to be altered in big ways after Civil War. The Initiative is a government-sanctioned (controlled?) program with superteams in all states. Ultimately, they report to Tony STark, new director of SHIELD. That begs the questions of what happens when teh government starts sending superheroes on hits, or to invade sovereign nations with which the heroes themselves don't have problems? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith daikaiju66@ I'm glad you enjoyed Civil War. I thought it was a colossal letdown. And why didn't this happen at the end of the series? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I started to scream You ruined it for me! to the person who sent me this, as I haven't bought Cap #25 yet. Was going to do it tonight. But, I guess the news is all over the waves and the Net, the same way the death of Superman, and Spidey's unmasking were news before the omics hit the stands. I'm sure Steve Rogers isn't really dead. He is either underground, or the Super Soldier serum will revive him. After all, freakin' *Bucky Barnes* was supposedly killed in WWII, and now we find out he's alive and operating as teh assassin Winter Soldier! The Civil War was awesome. The resolution of it was thought- provoking. I won't give away the ending of the Civil War, but check the stands for a guide book to what's coming next, called The Initiative. It has to do with implementation of Tony Stark and Hank Pym's plan to create a government sanctioned super team in each state in America. I've really enjoyed this. Sure, some may question the heavy- handed didactic nature of Cap fighting for freedom and justice. Many have expressed doubt that Cap would fight the government over Registration. But I've loved it, and loved the reflections of our real-life struggles with freedom under the Bush Regime. I think the future of the Initiative is gonna be wild. Spidey is back in his black costume--there's a whole series in his books under the titel Back in Black. And of course theres the continued repurcussions of his
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Planet Hulk is better than Civil War but Civil War is still one of the greatest things Marvel's done in years. On Mar 8, 2007, at 8:46 AM, B. Smith wrote: Civil War got all the press but Annihilation, Planet Hulk and Beyond were really well done. Beyond slipped in under the radar but Dwayne McDuffie and Scott Kollins really put together a great series. It starts off like Secret Wars III but turns into something else entirely. It's definitely worth picking up. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good points. I do agree that Steve Rogers' going so far in his rebellion was a little surprising, but you have to look at it in context of the gulag Stark and Richards built, the draconian measures of the Act, and the suddeness of it's application. I even agree that Spidey should *never* have revealed his identity, which was up there with Superman and Batman's identities in terms of the importance of secrecy. I think, though, that the overall intentions and meanings of the story resonated with me. The execution and particulars were indeed clumsy in many points, but the overall feeling I was left with was powerful. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a nutshell: great idea, crappy characterizations and execution. The pro side came off like evil mustache twirlers. The government sanctioning homicidal villains to hunt down heroes. Spider-Man revealing his identity(ugh). The return of an unstuck in time Captain Mar-Vell(Who shouldn't have blonde hair btw. His hair was silver until he gained Cosmic Awareness. It's a nitpick but it's an important point to his origin) Negative Zone Prison aka Stalag 42. Captain America was written like Ultimate Captain America and not the original Captain America. Giant Man killed and discarded like a piece of garbage. The murderous clone of Thor. The Joss Whedon ending. Bad, bad choice. It ended with a whimper and it wasn't what this series needed. IMHO they should have merged Civil War and the companion book into one 12 issue series. It would have helped the story flow and fleshed out the narrative. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Why didn't you like it? I was surprised that several of y'all in ScifiNoir felt that way. Most seem to have greatly preferred the Annhilation series instead. I liked Civil War because of its resonance with real-life events, the tackling of that blurred line between fantasy and reality (we all know in real life superbeings would have been conscripted long ago), and the attempt to deal with Cap's old fashioned ideals, which to some simply give rise to his treasonous behaviour. Still hate that Spidey unmasked though.. The Marvel U is going to be altered in big ways after Civil War. The Initiative is a government-sanctioned (controlled?) program with superteams in all states. Ultimately, they report to Tony STark, new director of SHIELD. That begs the questions of what happens when teh government starts sending superheroes on hits, or to invade sovereign nations with which the heroes themselves don't have problems? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith daikaiju66@ I'm glad you enjoyed Civil War. I thought it was a colossal letdown. And why didn't this happen at the end of the series? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I started to scream You ruined it for me! to the person who sent me this, as I haven't bought Cap #25 yet. Was going to do it tonight. But, I guess the news is all over the waves and the Net, the same way the death of Superman, and Spidey's unmasking were news before the omics hit the stands. I'm sure Steve Rogers isn't really dead. He is either underground, or the Super Soldier serum will revive him. After all, freakin' *Bucky Barnes* was supposedly killed in WWII, and now we find out he's alive and operating as teh assassin Winter Soldier! The Civil War was awesome. The resolution of it was thought- provoking. I won't give away the ending of the Civil War, but check the stands for a guide book to what's coming next, called The Initiative. It has to do with implementation of Tony Stark and Hank Pym's plan to create a government sanctioned super team in each state in America. I've really enjoyed this. Sure, some may question the heavy- handed didactic nature of Cap fighting for freedom and justice. Many have expressed doubt that Cap would fight the government over Registration. But I've loved it, and loved the reflections of our real-life struggles with freedom under the Bush Regime. I think the future of the Initiative is gonna be wild. Spidey is back in his black costume--there's a whole series in his books under the titel Back in Black.
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it's still on the shelves at certain comic stores -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beyond I completely missed. Don't even recall seeing it on shelves anywhere. B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Civil War got all the press but Annihilation, Planet Hulk and Beyond were really well done. Beyond slipped in under the radar but Dwayne McDuffie and Scott Kollins really put together a great series. It starts off like Secret Wars III but turns into something else entirely. It's definitely worth picking up. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good points. I do agree that Steve Rogers' going so far in his rebellion was a little surprising, but you have to look at it in context of the gulag Stark and Richards built, the draconian measures of the Act, and the suddeness of it's application. I even agree that Spidey should *never* have revealed his identity, which was up there with Superman and Batman's identities in terms of the importance of secrecy. I think, though, that the overall intentions and meanings of the story resonated with me. The execution and particulars were indeed clumsy in many points, but the overall feeling I was left with was powerful. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a nutshell: great idea, crappy characterizations and execution. The pro side came off like evil mustache twirlers. The government sanctioning homicidal villains to hunt down heroes. Spider-Man revealing his identity(ugh). The return of an unstuck in time Captain Mar-Vell(Who shouldn't have blonde hair btw. His hair was silver until he gained Cosmic Awareness. It's a nitpick but it's an important point to his origin) Negative Zone Prison aka Stalag 42. Captain America was written like Ultimate Captain America and not the original Captain America. Giant Man killed and discarded like a piece of garbage. The murderous clone of Thor. The Joss Whedon ending. Bad, bad choice. It ended with a whimper and it wasn't what this series needed. IMHO they should have merged Civil War and the companion book into one 12 issue series. It would have helped the story flow and fleshed out the narrative. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Why didn't you like it? I was surprised that several of y'all in ScifiNoir felt that way. Most seem to have greatly preferred the Annhilation series instead. I liked Civil War because of its resonance with real-life events, the tackling of that blurred line between fantasy and reality (we all know in real life superbeings would have been conscripted long ago), and the attempt to deal with Cap's old fashioned ideals, which to some simply give rise to his treasonous behaviour. Still hate that Spidey unmasked though.. The Marvel U is going to be altered in big ways after Civil War. The Initiative is a government-sanctioned (controlled?) program with superteams in all states. Ultimately, they report to Tony STark, new director of SHIELD. That begs the questions of what happens when teh government starts sending superheroes on hits, or to invade sovereign nations with which the heroes themselves don't have problems? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith daikaiju66@ I'm glad you enjoyed Civil War. I thought it was a colossal letdown. And why didn't this happen at the end of the series? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I started to scream You ruined it for me! to the person who sent me this, as I haven't bought Cap #25 yet. Was going to do it tonight. But, I guess the news is all over the waves and the Net, the same way the death of Superman, and Spidey's unmasking were news before the omics hit the stands. I'm sure Steve Rogers isn't really dead. He is either underground, or the Super Soldier serum will revive him. After all, freakin' *Bucky Barnes* was supposedly killed in WWII, and now we find out he's alive and operating as teh assassin Winter Soldier! The Civil War was awesome. The resolution of it was thought- provoking. I won't give away the ending of the Civil War, but check the stands for a guide book to what's coming next, called The Initiative. It has to do with implementation of Tony Stark and Hank Pym's plan to create a government sanctioned super team in each state in America. I've really enjoyed this. Sure, some may question the heavy- handed didactic nature of Cap fighting for freedom and justice. Many have expressed doubt that Cap would fight the government over Registration. But I've loved it, and loved the reflections of our real-life struggles with freedom under the Bush Regime. I think the future of the Initiative is gonna be wild. Spidey is back in his black costume--there's a whole
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Won't be able to free up time to get downtown until next week. Hope they hold out that long. I'm a month behind in my reading. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's still on the shelves at certain comic stores -- Original message -- From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beyond I completely missed. Don't even recall seeing it on shelves anywhere. B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Civil War got all the press but Annihilation, Planet Hulk and Beyond were really well done. Beyond slipped in under the radar but Dwayne McDuffie and Scott Kollins really put together a great series. It starts off like Secret Wars III but turns into something else entirely. It's definitely worth picking up. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very good points. I do agree that Steve Rogers' going so far in his rebellion was a little surprising, but you have to look at it in context of the gulag Stark and Richards built, the draconian measures of the Act, and the suddeness of it's application. I even agree that Spidey should *never* have revealed his identity, which was up there with Superman and Batman's identities in terms of the importance of secrecy. I think, though, that the overall intentions and meanings of the story resonated with me. The execution and particulars were indeed clumsy in many points, but the overall feeling I was left with was powerful. -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a nutshell: great idea, crappy characterizations and execution. The pro side came off like evil mustache twirlers. The government sanctioning homicidal villains to hunt down heroes. Spider-Man revealing his identity(ugh). The return of an unstuck in time Captain Mar-Vell(Who shouldn't have blonde hair btw. His hair was silver until he gained Cosmic Awareness. It's a nitpick but it's an important point to his origin) Negative Zone Prison aka Stalag 42. Captain America was written like Ultimate Captain America and not the original Captain America. Giant Man killed and discarded like a piece of garbage. The murderous clone of Thor. The Joss Whedon ending. Bad, bad choice. It ended with a whimper and it wasn't what this series needed. IMHO they should have merged Civil War and the companion book into one 12 issue series. It would have helped the story flow and fleshed out the narrative. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Why didn't you like it? I was surprised that several of y'all in ScifiNoir felt that way. Most seem to have greatly preferred the Annhilation series instead. I liked Civil War because of its resonance with real-life events, the tackling of that blurred line between fantasy and reality (we all know in real life superbeings would have been conscripted long ago), and the attempt to deal with Cap's old fashioned ideals, which to some simply give rise to his treasonous behaviour. Still hate that Spidey unmasked though.. The Marvel U is going to be altered in big ways after Civil War. The Initiative is a government-sanctioned (controlled?) program with superteams in all states. Ultimately, they report to Tony STark, new director of SHIELD. That begs the questions of what happens when teh government starts sending superheroes on hits, or to invade sovereign nations with which the heroes themselves don't have problems? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith daikaiju66@ I'm glad you enjoyed Civil War. I thought it was a colossal letdown. And why didn't this happen at the end of the series? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I started to scream You ruined it for me! to the person who sent me this, as I haven't bought Cap #25 yet. Was going to do it tonight. But, I guess the news is all over the waves and the Net, the same way the death of Superman, and Spidey's unmasking were news before the omics hit the stands. I'm sure Steve Rogers isn't really dead. He is either underground, or the Super Soldier serum will revive him. After all, freakin' *Bucky Barnes* was supposedly killed in WWII, and now we find out he's alive and operating as teh assassin Winter Soldier! The Civil War was awesome. The resolution of it was thought- provoking. I won't give away the ending of the Civil War, but check the stands for a guide book to what's coming next, called The Initiative. It has to do with implementation of Tony Stark and Hank Pym's plan to create a government sanctioned super team in each state in America. I've really enjoyed this. Sure, some may question the heavy- handed didactic nature of Cap fighting for freedom and justice. Many have expressed doubt that Cap would fight the government over Registration. But I've loved it, and loved the reflections of our real-life
[scifinoir2] Re: Captain America Killed?
I'm glad you enjoyed Civil War. I thought it was a colossal letdown. And why didn't this happen at the end of the series? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started to scream You ruined it for me! to the person who sent me this, as I haven't bought Cap #25 yet. Was going to do it tonight. But, I guess the news is all over the waves and the Net, the same way the death of Superman, and Spidey's unmasking were news before the omics hit the stands. I'm sure Steve Rogers isn't really dead. He is either underground, or the Super Soldier serum will revive him. After all, freakin' *Bucky Barnes* was supposedly killed in WWII, and now we find out he's alive and operating as teh assassin Winter Soldier! The Civil War was awesome. The resolution of it was thought- provoking. I won't give away the ending of the Civil War, but check the stands for a guide book to what's coming next, called The Initiative. It has to do with implementation of Tony Stark and Hank Pym's plan to create a government sanctioned super team in each state in America. I've really enjoyed this. Sure, some may question the heavy-handed didactic nature of Cap fighting for freedom and justice. Many have expressed doubt that Cap would fight the government over Registration. But I've loved it, and loved the reflections of our real-life struggles with freedom under the Bush Regime. I think the future of the Initiative is gonna be wild. Spidey is back in his black costume--there's a whole series in his books under the titel Back in Black. And of course theres the continued repurcussions of his unmasking. *** Cinque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BY ETHAN SACKS DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Comic book icon Captain America lies sprawled on courthouse steps after Marvel hero is gunned down by sniper. (Art by Steve Epting) Cover of 1941 debut Captain America is dead. The Marvel Entertainment superhero, created in 1941 as a patriotic adversary for the Nazis, is killed off in Captain America #25, which hits the stands today. As Captain America emerges from a courthouse building, he is struck by a sniper's bullet in the shoulder and then hit again in the stomach, blood seeping out of his star-spangled costume. His death is sure to ignite controversy in the comic book world - still reeling from Superman's death in 1993 and resurrection the following year - and even political pundits, who may see Captain America's demise as an allegory for the United States. It's a hell of a time for him to go. We really need him now, said co-creator Joe Simon, 93, after being informed of his brainchild's death. Simon and artist Jack Kirby came up with the character in 1941 as an adversary for Adolf Hitler, who was more evil than any villain the pair could dream up. Since then, the patriotic hero has appeared in an estimated 210 million copies sold in 75 countries. Not bad for an imaginary sickly kid from the lower East Side named Steve Rogers, who volunteered to be injected with Super Soldier serum during World War II. Part of Captain America's allure was that he had no true superpowers; the serum made him an example of a human being at his utmost potential. He could bench-press 1,100 pounds, run a mile in about a minute and outsmart any spy. Series writer Ed Brubaker - who grew up reading Captain America comics while his father, a naval intelligence officer, was stationed on Guantanamo Bay, Cuba - said it wasn't easy to kill off the character. The 40-year-old, however, wanted to explore what the hero meant to the country in these polarized times. What I found is that all the really hard-core left-wing fans want Cap to be standing out on and giving speeches on the streetcorner against the Bush administration, and all the really right-wing [fans] all want him to be over in the streets of Baghdad, punching out Saddam, Brubaker said. Comic book deaths, however, are rarely final. Marvel's archrival, DC Comics, provoked a media frenzy when it killed off Superman in 1993, only to reanimate its prize creation a year later. Joe Quesada, 43, Marvel Entertainment's editor in chief, said he wouldn't rule out the shield-throwing champion's eventual return. But for now, the Captain's fans are in mourning. I was shocked. I was not expecting it, said Gerry Gladston, co- owner of Midtown Comics in Manhattan. I'd rather they didn't kill him - but it's going to mean great sales. 'LIFE' OF AN AMERICAN HERO Created: March 1941 True Identity: Steve Rogers Born: July 4, 1917 Birthplace: Lower East Side Current Home: Red Hook, Brooklyn Superpowers: None (Super Soldier serum makes him a nearly perfect human being) Weapon: His red,white and blue discus-like shield Archenemy: Red Skull Pop Culture Moment, Film: Easy Rider, Peter Fonda's character is nicknamed Captain America. Pop Culture Moments, Music: The Kinks' song, Catch Me
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Captain America Killed?
Why didn't you like it? I was surprised that several of y'all in ScifiNoir felt that way. Most seem to have greatly preferred the Annhilation series instead. I liked Civil War because of its resonance with real-life events, the tackling of that blurred line between fantasy and reality (we all know in real life superbeings would have been conscripted long ago), and the attempt to deal with Cap's old fashioned ideals, which to some simply give rise to his treasonous behaviour. Still hate that Spidey unmasked though.. The Marvel U is going to be altered in big ways after Civil War. The Initiative is a government-sanctioned (controlled?) program with superteams in all states. Ultimately, they report to Tony STark, new director of SHIELD. That begs the questions of what happens when teh government starts sending superheroes on hits, or to invade sovereign nations with which the heroes themselves don't have problems? -- Original message -- From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm glad you enjoyed Civil War. I thought it was a colossal letdown. And why didn't this happen at the end of the series? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I started to scream You ruined it for me! to the person who sent me this, as I haven't bought Cap #25 yet. Was going to do it tonight. But, I guess the news is all over the waves and the Net, the same way the death of Superman, and Spidey's unmasking were news before the omics hit the stands. I'm sure Steve Rogers isn't really dead. He is either underground, or the Super Soldier serum will revive him. After all, freakin' *Bucky Barnes* was supposedly killed in WWII, and now we find out he's alive and operating as teh assassin Winter Soldier! The Civil War was awesome. The resolution of it was thought- provoking. I won't give away the ending of the Civil War, but check the stands for a guide book to what's coming next, called The Initiative. It has to do with implementation of Tony Stark and Hank Pym's plan to create a government sanctioned super team in each state in America. I've really enjoyed this. Sure, some may question the heavy-handed didactic nature of Cap fighting for freedom and justice. Many have expressed doubt that Cap would fight the government over Registration. But I've loved it, and loved the reflections of our real-life struggles with freedom under the Bush Regime. I think the future of the Initiative is gonna be wild. Spidey is back in his black costume--there's a whole series in his books under the titel Back in Black. And of course theres the continued repurcussions of his unmasking. *** Cinque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BY ETHAN SACKS DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Comic book icon Captain America lies sprawled on courthouse steps after Marvel hero is gunned down by sniper. (Art by Steve Epting) Cover of 1941 debut Captain America is dead. The Marvel Entertainment superhero, created in 1941 as a patriotic adversary for the Nazis, is killed off in Captain America #25, which hits the stands today. As Captain America emerges from a courthouse building, he is struck by a sniper's bullet in the shoulder and then hit again in the stomach, blood seeping out of his star-spangled costume. His death is sure to ignite controversy in the comic book world - still reeling from Superman's death in 1993 and resurrection the following year - and even political pundits, who may see Captain America's demise as an allegory for the United States. It's a hell of a time for him to go. We really need him now, said co-creator Joe Simon, 93, after being informed of his brainchild's death. Simon and artist Jack Kirby came up with the character in 1941 as an adversary for Adolf Hitler, who was more evil than any villain the pair could dream up. Since then, the patriotic hero has appeared in an estimated 210 million copies sold in 75 countries. Not bad for an imaginary sickly kid from the lower East Side named Steve Rogers, who volunteered to be injected with Super Soldier serum during World War II. Part of Captain America's allure was that he had no true superpowers; the serum made him an example of a human being at his utmost potential. He could bench-press 1,100 pounds, run a mile in about a minute and outsmart any spy. Series writer Ed Brubaker - who grew up reading Captain America comics while his father, a naval intelligence officer, was stationed on Guantanamo Bay, Cuba - said it wasn't easy to kill off the character. The 40-year-old, however, wanted to explore what the hero meant to the country in these polarized times. What I found is that all the really hard-core left-wing fans want Cap to be standing out on and giving speeches on the streetcorner against the Bush administration, and all the really right-wing [fans] all want him to be over in the streets of Baghdad, punching out Saddam, Brubaker said. Comic
