SD Anyone know of any other 85 t-tops out there still?
Hi all, a while ago, I posted a few questions about my 85 t-top, and how rare it is/was, (391 out of 8023 turbo-zs made for 85), etcetc..etc. Thanks to Mike Pascali and his standard catalog of Chrysler 1924-1990 So you all tell me, are the numbered cars that rare? (no mine was not signed by Carroll Shelby OR Lee Iacocca) but my question now is: Anyone else out here have an 85-t-top turbo-z? (not a laser XT, as it was considered a 85-1/2), Mine is still around and with 80,000 miles on the original motor/trans, and it has a long way to go! :-) Thanks, Mike ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: RE SD Does this look right?
From: Paul T. Standaert Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE SD Does this look right? I never kept real accurate count, but being able to see five confirmed '88 airbag equipped cars out of 1500 in just my own junkyarding the chances of that are slim. That is why I would swear there were more out there. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE SD Does this look right? the number is actually 1,859 units made with the airbag in the end of 1988 production. this is chryslers official count... Were all these cars built at the same plant, and/or shipped to the same part of the country? That could explain why some people find many of them, and others find few. Did a law go into the books somewhere during the Summer of '88 that mandated airbags? If so, those states are where you would find most of these cars. __ Dan Harling '70 Challenger 340 4-spd (eternal project) [EMAIL PROTECTED] '89 LeBaron 2.5 intercooled (running!) '95 Ram V10 extended cab (beast of burden) If it ain't broke, you're not trying! ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD Re: Does this look right?
Only on the ES ans Shelby models. Base Daytonas and C/S daytonas still had the same nose as all the 87-88 cars. That nose was used on the base cars untill 92 when the body got restyled. Isn't 89 the year they added nose vents too? Shane Joey Dalton Hillbilly Racing 86 Turbo Z C/S T Tops DC intercooled 87 Shelby Z parts car =( T Tops, Fred Flinstone floors, broken rad support and cracked front subframe. 88 Shelby Z Pacifica/lebaron interior, 3.85 FD a523 with HR short throw shifter, TAFT S2 cam, 20 PSI, Hillbilly exahust 88 Chrysler Shelby Z T tops 89 Daytona C/S compitition COMING SOON: 66 Dodge Charger! 76 Dodge D 100 318/auto 51 Studebaker Champion 4 doorfuture father/son project, will be 355 EFI HEMI ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD Re: bags in 89
OK, thank you. I wouldn't think a C/S would have them. I will look at my VIN to know for sure though. niether my '89 daytona shelby or my '89 daytona c/s ags had an airbag. the ags was was so stripped down of every wieght saving part it wasnt funny, no a/c no airbag, no power anything. the only thing was the rear spoiler. Jeff Joey Dalton Hillbilly Racing 86 Turbo Z C/S T Tops DC intercooled 87 Shelby Z parts car =( T Tops, Fred Flinstone floors, broken rad support and cracked front subframe. 88 Shelby Z Pacifica/lebaron interior, 3.85 FD a523 with HR short throw shifter, TAFT S2 cam, 20 PSI, Hillbilly exahust 88 Chrysler Shelby Z T tops 89 Daytona C/S compitition COMING SOON: 66 Dodge Charger! 76 Dodge D 100 318/auto 51 Studebaker Champion 4 doorfuture father/son project, will be 355 EFI HEMI ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD CORRECTED hood scoop pics finally up!
OOPS! The link was spelled wrong - sorry! Thanks, Marc Medina http://www.geocities.com/mcm95403 updated 4/25/05 ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD Re: Does this look right?
Here is a VIN decoder for verification of airbag cars: http://www.omnilith.net/omniville/vinpage.htm My 88 Shelby Z (the hardtop Dodge, not the T-top Chrysler, which has no airbag) has a build date of 6-17-88 (located left side of 3rd line from bottom on fender tag). The VIN is 1B3YA64A1JGxx So it was built in St. Louis on 6-17, and has driver airbag and manual belt, passenger auto belt. The 88 Chrysler Shelby Z has a build date of 3-10-88. St. Louis plant, no airbag, manual belts. 1C3BA64A7JGxx And my 89 C/S: 1-17-89 St Louis plant DRIVER AIRBAG!manual belts 1B3XG24AXKGxx Mat, What is the build date of your 88 car with airbag? Are there any daytonas built at other plants? I have only seen cars from St. Louis. Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:37:17 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE SD Does this look right? are you sure what you were looking at were 88 models. the dash for the 88 and 89 are identical. dash design didnt change until 1990. 3 easy ways to tell an 88 from an 89. the first is look at the build date in the drivers door jamb on the door itself if its still there or still legible. the 89 model production run started in october of 1988. anything before that is an 88 model. the second thing is the headlamp door motor wiring. the 88 models used a 4 wire plug for the door motors, the 89s used a 2 wire plug for the door motors. the third way to tell is by looking at the VIN specifically the 11th digit as counted from the left to right. A is 1981, B is 1982, C is 1983, so G is 1988 and H should denote 1989. hope this clears things up a bit mat. Joey Dalton Hillbilly Racing 86 Turbo Z C/S T Tops DC intercooled 87 Shelby Z parts car =( T Tops, Fred Flinstone floors, broken rad support and cracked front subframe. 88 Shelby Z Pacifica/lebaron interior, 3.85 FD a523 with HR short throw shifter, TAFT S2 cam, 20 PSI, Hillbilly exahust 88 Chrysler Shelby Z T tops 89 Daytona C/S compitition COMING SOON: 66 Dodge Charger! 76 Dodge D 100 318/auto 51 Studebaker Champion 4 doorfuture father/son project, will be 355 EFI HEMI ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD Anyone know of any other 85 t-tops out there still?
Yep, My friend has one up here in Pembroke, Ontario. Originally it was a burgundy with the silver on the bottom of it, T tops, Power windows + mirrors. It's the only one I've seen too. Sean B - Original Message - From: Mike Sebastian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: SD Anyone know of any other 85 t-tops out there still? Hi all, a while ago, I posted a few questions about my 85 t-top, and how rare it is/was, (391 out of 8023 turbo-zs made for 85), etcetc..etc. Thanks to Mike Pascali and his standard catalog of Chrysler 1924-1990 So you all tell me, are the numbered cars that rare? (no mine was not signed by Carroll Shelby OR Lee Iacocca) but my question now is: Anyone else out here have an 85-t-top turbo-z? (not a laser XT, as it was considered a 85-1/2), Mine is still around and with 80,000 miles on the original motor/trans, and it has a long way to go! :-) Thanks, Mike ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD Re: Dead relays?
Well, figured out half the trouble. The fuel pump wasnt coming on because the engine hadnt been cranked, therefore no distributor crank reference signal from the HEP. DU!!! I figured it out when I checked for power to the coil. There wasnt any, so I plugged in a spare distributor that had a HEP in it. Plugged it in, turned it, the LM got a reference signal and the pump came to life. Now with the one onthe engin plugged in, when I turn the car to run it powers the pump for its initial charge like it is supposed to. I think I figured out the starter problem as well. There is a short in the brown wire between the relay and the solenoid. I think I know why... There is coolant leaking from the back of the head!!! Seems to be getting the starter wires wet, causing the short. Do any of the intake/exahust bolt holes break into a water jacket in the head? That would explain the coolant leak... In an 86 T-I G body, what would keep the fuel pump from coming on when you turn the key on? Its been sitting for years, and Im getting it going again, but when you turn the key, nothing happens. The starter dont turn over either. I can hear a relay click, but thats all. I just put the starter in, and its known good. What should I look for? Joey Dalton Hillbilly Racing 86 Turbo Z C/S T Tops DC intercooled 87 Shelby Z parts car =( T Tops, Fred Flinstone floors, broken rad support and cracked front subframe. 88 Shelby Z Pacifica/lebaron interior, 3.85 FD a523 with HR short throw shifter, TAFT S2 cam, 20 PSI, Hillbilly exahust 88 Chrysler Shelby Z T tops 89 Daytona C/S compitition COMING SOON: 66 Dodge Charger! 76 Dodge D 100 318/auto 51 Studebaker Champion 4 doorfuture father/son project, will be 355 EFI HEMI ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD power loss light
the 87 t2 2.2 still runing sickly bad, ran on board codes with the ignition switch and got a 1,33,35,2,55 this dont look right. car running real rich and dies when I let off gas pedal. runs like i got a HUGE cam in it. black smoke out the pipe. .I have the 3way rubber conector that comes off of the valve cover pluged on one end. the PCV side is not pluged up. I did this when i made a cold ait intake and needed to get rid of the trumpet looking pipe that came off that 3 way conector. I also have oil coming out of everywhere under the hood. mainly happens when i get on the turbo hard, then clutch... Anyone??? Jim 87, 2.2 T2 daytona shelby - Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel more fun for the weekend. Check it out! ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD FS-G Body Subframe, complete
I got a G body sub-frame complete with engine and trany still attached. Engine will turn over but the turbo is junk. Has 523 Tranny with 3.55 gears I believe. Make me some offers. Jeff ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
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First, look up the codes here: http://minimopar.net Repair whatever is broken sensor wise. Second, pull the valve cover and remove two bolts holding the baffle in place inside the valve cover. Remove all of the old oil and sealant and reseal the baffle to the valve cover. Make sure to put sealant on all of the ribs where they contact the inside of the valve cover. You want the air to move through this, but to do so slowly enough to allow the oil to drop out. Next, return your PCV system back to stock. If you want to run your cold intake system, then dump the end of the hose that went into the air box to a plastic catch tank that is vented at the top. Finally, make sure the PCV hose is not leaking at the valve cover. If you know how to solder copper pipe, then you can build a replacement that will last as long as your car and will only have a few pieces of short, straight rubber to replace. Instead of a molded rubber hose. For early T1 cars (they have the 90 degree fitting on the back of the valve cover) you'll need a T and three pieces of hose about 2-3 long along with 6 hose clamps. Place the T piece with the straight section at the bottom. Use the rubber hose to connect the T to the outlet/inlet port on the valve cover. The other end of the T goes to the catch tank/airbox. The upright portion should be big enough to allow the PCV valve to drop in place and be secured with a the final piece of hose. For late T1 and T2 cars (straight fitting on the back of the valve cover) you'll need a T, a 45 degree bend, 3 inches of straight pipe and about 10-12 of rubber hose and 6 hose clamps. The perpendicular portion of the T is connected to the valve cover. Twist the T to a 45 degree angle. Cut and solder the straight pipe to the lower portion of the T to have enough room to connect the hose that runs to the airbox/catch tank. The upper half needs to have the 45 installed in it to create a port for the PCV valve that is perpendicular to the top of valve cover. Use a short section of hose to hold the PCV in place. In both instances you need to make sure the seals and joints are tight and leak free using vacuum or pressure. You also need to ensure that the PCV valve is working (not just rattling, but able to hold pressure/vacuum) Finally you need to ensure that any one-way valves or vacuum lines in the system are functioning properly for the entire system to work properly. If you still get blowby after the above items have been checked and/or fixed, then you might simply have an issue related to the sealing of the rings or something else has failed in the reciprocating assembly that is causing it to act as an oil pump (blown turbo seals will also do this BTW) Good luck, Stefan Mullikin Portland, OR Co-Founder PNW-SDAC http://www.pnw-sdac.org 1980 Fiat X-1/9 1984 Dodge Rampage 2.2 1987 Dodge Daytona Shelby Z 1987 Shelby CSX #106 1988 Shelby CSX-T #3 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim bauer Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SD power loss light the 87 t2 2.2 still runing sickly bad, ran on board codes with the ignition switch and got a 1,33,35,2,55 this dont look right. car running real rich and dies when I let off gas pedal. runs like i got a HUGE cam in it. black smoke out the pipe. .I have the 3way rubber conector that comes off of the valve cover pluged on one end. the PCV side is not pluged up. I did this when i made a cold ait intake and needed to get rid of the trumpet looking pipe that came off that 3 way conector. I also have oil coming out of everywhere under the hood. mainly happens when i get on the turbo hard, then clutch... Anyone??? Jim 87, 2.2 T2 daytona shelby ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE: SD FS-G Body Subframe, complete
Location? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Mulz Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SD FS-G Body Subframe, complete I got a G body sub-frame complete with engine and trany still attached. Engine will turn over but the turbo is junk. Has 523 Tranny with 3.55 gears I believe. Make me some offers. Jeff ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD Re: Dead relays?
OK, answered my own question. Checked out a spare head. Cooland from exahust stud hole, right were I traced the leak. Little more checking confirmed that that was the spot it was leaking in the car. Ill get under there and seal it up. Then I'll see if the short goes away. Once I clear that up the car should be running Do any of the intake/exahust bolt holes break into a water jacket in the head? That would explain the coolant leak... Joey Dalton Hillbilly Racing 86 Turbo Z C/S T Tops DC intercooled 87 Shelby Z parts car =( T Tops, Fred Flinstone floors, broken rad support and cracked front subframe. 88 Shelby Z Pacifica/lebaron interior, 3.85 FD a523 with HR short throw shifter, TAFT S2 cam, 20 PSI, Hillbilly exahust 88 Chrysler Shelby Z T tops 89 Daytona C/S compitition COMING SOON: 66 Dodge Charger! 76 Dodge D 100 318/auto 51 Studebaker Champion 4 doorfuture father/son project, will be 355 EFI HEMI ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD Re: Does this look right?
I had an 1988 LeBaron Turbo Coupe. It had the odd Turbo Coupe package, $4800 for the package, and $12,300 for the car. T1, auto, Premium interior, but not digital dash and no cornering lights. Pinstripe deleted, no turbo EFI emblems, Turbo on the side mouldings, like the GTCs. Upholstered trunk It had an Airbag. It should have had the leather wrapped stering wheel, but since it was an airbag car, they didn't have those available yet. Brings up a trivia question, what non-intercooled turbo cars did NOT have the TURBO Electronic Fuel Injection chrome fender emblems? I have had 2, Shelby Charger, and the 1988 Turbo Coupe LeBaron. I also remember seeing a LeBaron in the showroom with Daytona on the glovebox! (Almost as bad as when I saw a brand new Buick with Skylark emblem on one side, and Somerset emblem on the other! (In a showroom) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: shelby-dodge@imagicomm.com Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: SD Re: Does this look right? Here is a VIN decoder for verification of airbag cars: http://www.omnilith.net/omniville/vinpage.htm My 88 Shelby Z (the hardtop Dodge, not the T-top Chrysler, which has no airbag) has a build date of 6-17-88 (located left side of 3rd line from bottom on fender tag). The VIN is 1B3YA64A1JGxx So it was built in St. Louis on 6-17, and has driver airbag and manual belt, passenger auto belt. The 88 Chrysler Shelby Z has a build date of 3-10-88. St. Louis plant, no airbag, manual belts. 1C3BA64A7JGxx And my 89 C/S: 1-17-89 St Louis plant DRIVER AIRBAG!manual belts 1B3XG24AXKGxx Mat, What is the build date of your 88 car with airbag? Are there any daytonas built at other plants? I have only seen cars from St. Louis. Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:37:17 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE SD Does this look right? are you sure what you were looking at were 88 models. the dash for the 88 and 89 are identical. dash design didnt change until 1990. 3 easy ways to tell an 88 from an 89. the first is look at the build date in the drivers door jamb on the door itself if its still there or still legible. the 89 model production run started in october of 1988. anything before that is an 88 model. the second thing is the headlamp door motor wiring. the 88 models used a 4 wire plug for the door motors, the 89s used a 2 wire plug for the door motors. the third way to tell is by looking at the VIN specifically the 11th digit as counted from the left to right. A is 1981, B is 1982, C is 1983, so G is 1988 and H should denote 1989. hope this clears things up a bit mat. Joey Dalton Hillbilly Racing 86 Turbo Z C/S T Tops DC intercooled 87 Shelby Z parts car =( T Tops, Fred Flinstone floors, broken rad support and cracked front subframe. 88 Shelby Z Pacifica/lebaron interior, 3.85 FD a523 with HR short throw shifter, TAFT S2 cam, 20 PSI, Hillbilly exahust 88 Chrysler Shelby Z T tops 89 Daytona C/S compitition COMING SOON: 66 Dodge Charger! 76 Dodge D 100 318/auto 51 Studebaker Champion 4 doorfuture father/son project, will be 355 EFI HEMI ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE SD Does this look right?
You're a little off in your VIN info. The model year of any vehicle manufactured from 1980 on is the 10th digit of the 17 digit VIN, counting from the start of the VIN Some examples are: A=1980,B=81,C=82,D=83,E=84,F=85, G=86, H=87, J=88, K=89, L=90,M= 91. Note there is no i, o ,q or y in this system. This was done to prevent confusion between similar looking letters and also so model year 2001 could begin to reuse the numeric system again. eg. 1 = 2001 Thanks Randy Hicks 86 GLH S60 86 GLHS 373 89 Turbo Minivan 83 Turbo Rampage 79 CBX slightly modified Edmonton,Alberta,Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . the third way to tell is by looking at the VIN specifically the 11th digit as counted from the left to right. A is 1981, B is 1982, C is 1983, so G is 1988 and H should denote 1989. hope this clears things up a bit mat. ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
Re: SD Re: Does this look right?
Brings up a trivia question, what non-intercooled turbo cars did NOT have the TURBO Electronic Fuel Injection chrome fender emblems? I have had 2, Shelby Charger, and the 1988 Turbo Coupe LeBaron. add the Daytona's to that list I have yet to see one with it... and my 87 Shadow ES didn't have it either... my fiancee's dad bought the car new back in 87, and he said he took all the turbo and ES lettering off, but it didn't have the TURBO chrome emblem. I do although have 3 off of new yorkers in scrap yards in my area Matt Colwell 86 T-Top Turbo~Z 86 Turbo~Z 87 Shadow ES 02 S~10 4X4 ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD World's Fastest 89 CSX For Sale $5900
She needs a foster parent. Please visit http://macked.net/shelby.html ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
SD Re: Does this look right?
the VIN for my 88 shelby Z with airbag is 1B3XA64AXJGxx build date on drivers door jamb sticker is barely legible as April 1988, and yes its the original door. its never been replaced. door sticker has same VIN number on it as he VIN plate in the dash. the total number of daytonas made for U.S. and export for 1988 is according to chrysler 66,407 cars. i dunno if they were made at any other assembly plant other than St Louis Mo. mat ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
RE SD Re: Does this look right?
BTW my 1988 FSMs mention nothing about maintaining an airbag, removing it for steering column repair or anything. my 1988 FSM doesnt even have wiring schematics for the airbag, tho my 1988 factory dealer parts catalog paper manual i have does show air bag wheels and parts for them for 1988. mat ---REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html
