Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2009-01-12 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

You know chinese ..well,  cantonese rather?   I did get to be quite decent
in chinglish but not much cantonese beyond "kung hei fat choy" (and you'll
hear that a lot with chinese new year coming up in a couple of weeks) :)

Vinit B [12/01/09 17:06 +0530]:

Late to the "reply" queue, but was enjoying localizing myself in Hong Kong
and Shenzhen for the last 2 weeks.
So, I guess I have more thoughts ...

Each time I go to a properly modern city (HK, London, NYC) I quickly feel at
home.
I know that all the basics I need are available: food I like, entertainment
I like, people I know, safety of law enforcement, language I know, etc

To be fair, I would live in any decently modern city without too much
cribbing. But home is home.

- Vinit



-Original Message-
From: silklist-bounces+vinit=bhansalimail@lists.hserus.net
[mailto:silklist-bounces+vinit=bhansalimail@lists.hserus.net] On
Behalf Of Venkat Mangudi
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 10:39 AM
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on
Karnataka

> I appreciate your enthusiasm but what is it that draws you back? As
an
> "outsider" not raised in Indian culture (but appreciates the variety
> of experiences the world has to offer) it seems to me that Singapore
> or Munich would be preferable.
>
I came back because I feel I belong here. Everywhere else, I am a
foreigner. You'll be surprised how people can change if your skin is a
different color. The worst experience was in a mall in Fremont, CA.
Somebody once told me CA was the most broadminded state. All that is
nonsense. Kentucky treated me better, I think. But I digress. Before I
get back to the mainstream discussion, let me state for the record that
some of my best friends are not Indian and hence I am not biased
against non Indians.

I came back because I told myself even before I left India over a
decade ago, that I would come back. I totally loved it in Munich and
Darmstadt (I lived there for a while as well).  Singapore was very








Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2009-01-12 Thread Vinit B
Late to the "reply" queue, but was enjoying localizing myself in Hong Kong
and Shenzhen for the last 2 weeks.
So, I guess I have more thoughts ...

Each time I go to a properly modern city (HK, London, NYC) I quickly feel at
home.
I know that all the basics I need are available: food I like, entertainment
I like, people I know, safety of law enforcement, language I know, etc

To be fair, I would live in any decently modern city without too much
cribbing. But home is home.

- Vinit


> -Original Message-
> From: silklist-bounces+vinit=bhansalimail@lists.hserus.net
> [mailto:silklist-bounces+vinit=bhansalimail@lists.hserus.net] On
> Behalf Of Venkat Mangudi
> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 10:39 AM
> To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
> Subject: Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on
> Karnataka
> 
> > I appreciate your enthusiasm but what is it that draws you back? As
> an
> > "outsider" not raised in Indian culture (but appreciates the variety
> > of experiences the world has to offer) it seems to me that Singapore
> > or Munich would be preferable.
> >
> I came back because I feel I belong here. Everywhere else, I am a
> foreigner. You'll be surprised how people can change if your skin is a
> different color. The worst experience was in a mall in Fremont, CA.
> Somebody once told me CA was the most broadminded state. All that is
> nonsense. Kentucky treated me better, I think. But I digress. Before I
> get back to the mainstream discussion, let me state for the record that
> some of my best friends are not Indian and hence I am not biased
> against non Indians.
> 
> I came back because I told myself even before I left India over a
> decade ago, that I would come back. I totally loved it in Munich and
> Darmstadt (I lived there for a while as well).  Singapore was very





Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2009-01-01 Thread .
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Thaths  wrote:
>
> Interestingly, I have been treated worse in India by people who
> thought I could not speak their language (because I had long hair, ear
> piercings, dressed and carried myself differently, etc.) than in
> deepest Dixieland.

Recently at music class one of the parents of another kid who learns
music asked my teacher "Why does  that Christian girl not attend class
anymore?" which confused the teacher so they explained "The one with
short hair". Quantum leap of faith that !!

Over the decades I'm used to the (funny) situations where someone is
passing a lewd/derogatory comment thinking I cant understand the
language, thereby giving me a chance to show the depth and breath of
cuss words in the local dialects and mood permitting in Sanskrit, a
veritable storehouse in this regard.

-- 
.



Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2009-01-01 Thread Thaths
Addiing another data point to this discussion.

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Venkat Mangudi  wrote:
> I came back because I feel I belong here. Everywhere else, I am a
> foreigner.

I feel I do not belong anywhere, at the same time, feel at home everywhere.

> You'll be surprised how people can change if your skin is a
> different color. The worst experience was in a mall in Fremont, CA.
> Somebody once told me CA was the most broadminded state. All that is
> nonsense. Kentucky treated me better, I think.

Interestingly, I have been treated worse in India by people who
thought I could not speak their language (because I had long hair, ear
piercings, dressed and carried myself differently, etc.) than in
deepest Dixieland.

> But I digress. Before I
> get back to the mainstream discussion, let me state for the record that
> some of my best friends are not Indian and hence I am not biased against
> non Indians.

Even though I live in some country for the moment and travel to others
for reasons of leisure, work and family, I feel at home in all of
them. When I was working in Bangalore a few years ago, the reasons for
my (temporary) return to that particular city were:

* Access to some of the western comforts I had gotten used to - food, culture.
* Relatively ease in travelling within the city using auto rickshaws.
* Ability to travel through a state I had not travelled widely through
in the past.

Thaths
PS: Aawara Hoon
-- 
   "Silly Indians. Our God made their God" -- Homer J. Simpson



Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-26 Thread Danese Cooper
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Venkat Mangudi wrote:

The worst experience was in a mall in Fremont, CA.
> Somebody once told me CA was the most broadminded state. All that is
> nonsense. Kentucky treated me better, I think. But I digress. Before I
> get back to the mainstream discussion, let me state for the record that
> some of my best friends are not Indian and hence I am not biased against
> non Indians.
>
>
Just for the record...I'm white (and female) and none too comfortable in
Fremont, CA.  Middle of the US is even worse.  I'm much more comfortable in
India than I am in Ohio...but prefer San Francisco to everywhere else in the
world.  No, I wasn't born here.

Danese


Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-26 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Charles Haynes wrote:
> [My first post using the gmail client on my android phone. It appears to
> force me to top post and I can't seem to trim. Sigh. Time to submit a bug
> report]
>   
Same thing with Gmail on my bberry. Somebody should tell the Product
Managers at Google. ;)
> I appreciate your enthusiasm but what is it that draws you back? As an
> "outsider" not raised in Indian culture (but appreciates the variety of
> experiences the world has to offer) it seems to me that Singapore or Munich
> would be preferable.
>   
I came back because I feel I belong here. Everywhere else, I am a
foreigner. You'll be surprised how people can change if your skin is a
different color. The worst experience was in a mall in Fremont, CA.
Somebody once told me CA was the most broadminded state. All that is
nonsense. Kentucky treated me better, I think. But I digress. Before I
get back to the mainstream discussion, let me state for the record that
some of my best friends are not Indian and hence I am not biased against
non Indians.

I came back because I told myself even before I left India over a decade
ago, that I would come back. I totally loved it in Munich and Darmstadt
(I lived there for a while as well).  Singapore was very nice, for a
short while. Too small, I should say. Seoul was ok, but I could not hold
an intelligent conversation with a warm body 80% of the time. We used to
run away to Itaewon to "talk" during the weekends. Drinking was just a
by product of those meetings. And don't get me started on the garlic.
Germany was a pleasure, but the undertones of xenophobia is very
evident. Both the East and West coast of the US of A was very good for
work. Social life was nonexistent and a support system was missing in
our lives. Moreover, we did not want our children to miss out on family.
We decided to head back when our daughter was ready for first grade, and
we did it slightly ahead of schedule. Why first grade? I think it is
about the right time for my kid to have some memories of her early
childhood, but not drawn to it so much to spurn her new country of
residence.
> Are you just indulging in a hyperbolic reaction or can you try to explain it
> in a way a non-Indian could understand? Is it family? Culture? Cuisine?
> Familiarity? Something else?
>   
Hopefully what I said was non-hyperbolic and made sense to the non-Indians.

--Venkat



Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-26 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

Charles Haynes [27/12/08 09:52 +1100]:

I appreciate your enthusiasm but what is it that draws you back? As an
"outsider" not raised in Indian culture (but appreciates the variety of
experiences the world has to offer) it seems to me that Singapore or Munich
would be preferable.


Lived in India and Hong Kong, worn out 4 passports in 6 years traveling
around the world.

Singapore is fun except that it has dictatorial laws against a lot of
things we indians take for granted .. speeding, jaywalking, whatever :)

Munich? I like pork sausages but my family is entirely vegetarian (and my
wife didnt particularly like the smell of boiling pork in hong kong ..
sure, and while I've eaten camel and ostrich in saudi arabia and kangaroo
steaks in australia, I dont know why but I dont like boiling pork either,
roast tastes just fine)


Are you just indulging in a hyperbolic reaction or can you try to explain it
in a way a non-Indian could understand? Is it family? Culture? Cuisine?
Familiarity? Something else?


Combination?

srs



Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-26 Thread Charles Haynes
[My first post using the gmail client on my android phone. It appears to
force me to top post and I can't seem to trim. Sigh. Time to submit a bug
report]

I appreciate your enthusiasm but what is it that draws you back? As an
"outsider" not raised in Indian culture (but appreciates the variety of
experiences the world has to offer) it seems to me that Singapore or Munich
would be preferable.

Are you just indulging in a hyperbolic reaction or can you try to explain it
in a way a non-Indian could understand? Is it family? Culture? Cuisine?
Familiarity? Something else?

-- Charles

On Dec 27, 2008 5:03 AM, "Venkat Mangudi"  wrote:

Vinit B wrote: > Here is my official email declaring this as "what rot". >
Born and bought up here. ...
+1

We'll get there eventually, I think.

--Venkat
(who is of the firm opinion that coming back home to Bangalore is better
than living in Seoul, Munich, Singapore, Piscataway, Fremont-CA or
Woodbridge-NJ)


Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-26 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Vinit B wrote:
> Here is my official email declaring this as "what rot".
> Born and bought up here. Of course I'm biased, dammit.
>   
+1

We'll get there eventually, I think.

--Venkat
(who is of the firm opinion that coming back home to Bangalore is better
than living in Seoul, Munich, Singapore, Piscataway, Fremont-CA or
Woodbridge-NJ)



Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-23 Thread Vinit B
Perry,

Bought up NYC (and Lincoln tunnel) specifically because I've spent multiple
years in Newark, NJ.
That's one way to be familiar with the crowd going *to* NYC during rush
hour!!

---
About the private companies ... India is currently in the midst of a PPV
(Public-Private-Partnership) boom right now.
Basically, many infrastructure projects are being taken up by private
companies with Govt. backing (and guarantees, as far as toll collection,
land acquisition, etc are concerned)
Few examples: DND Toll Road in Delhi, Bangalore and Hyderabad Airports,
N.I.C.E. Ring road in Bangalore.

They are doing well for now. But I can see how a few decades down the line,
some lame-ass ministry decides that these should be handled by the Govt. and
not by private companies.

The bigger problem I see here is that slowly, private companies are going
towards running defense contracts and not infrastructure projects. That's
the real risk people should worry about.

- Vinit

> -Original Message-
> From: silklist-bounces+vinit=bhansalimail@lists.hserus.net
> [mailto:silklist-bounces+vinit=bhansalimail@lists.hserus.net] On
> Behalf Of Perry E. Metzger
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:54 AM
> To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
> Subject: Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on
> Karnataka
> 
> 
> "Vinit B"  writes:
> > Here is my official email declaring this as "what rot".
> > Born and bought up here. Of course I'm biased, dammit.
> >
> > Next time anyone has problems with Bangalore traffic, I'm going to
> get
> > them lined up outside the Lincoln tunnel going into NYC on Monday
> > morning at 9am in the cash-only toll-lane.
> 
> Not that you meant to bring up New York specifically, but as I live
> here...
> 
> Infrastructure in New York has been disintegrating for decades. Sadly,
> so long as central planning and subsidized services are the main
> mechanisms by which infrastructure will be managed, it will continue to
> get worse.
> 
> For example, the city's subways were a wonderful innovation. They were
> built by private companies and made money. They were then driven into
> the ground when the government limited on the fares they could charge
> to below the cost of operation, following which they were bankrupted
> and subsequently taken over by the state. Were entrepreneurs free to
> address the city's traffic issues, doubtless numerous ways could be
> found to improve them, but that was taken off the table decades ago.
> 
> Right now, because the subways lose money on every passenger, success
> makes them more and more economically unstable. Because the subways
> have attracted record ridership for several years, they're on the verge
> of financial collapse. Contrast this with what would happen if you had
> a store and had a record number of customers -- you would be thinking
> about ways to expand.
> 
> Lest anyone think I believe there was a golden age in the past here, it
> corruption and government meddling has been at the heart of the
> management of New York City for around two hundred years.
> Unfortunately, there is no end in sight. The majority of the local
> population believe very firmly that capitalism is evil and private
> organizations must not be allowed to manage infrastructure. So long as
> that continues, politicians will have cover to continue mismanaging
> everything in sight.
> 
> Perry




Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-23 Thread Perry E. Metzger

"Vinit B"  writes:
> Here is my official email declaring this as "what rot".
> Born and bought up here. Of course I'm biased, dammit.
>
> Next time anyone has problems with Bangalore traffic, I'm going to get them
> lined up outside the Lincoln tunnel going into NYC on Monday morning at 9am
> in the cash-only toll-lane.

Not that you meant to bring up New York specifically, but as I live
here...

Infrastructure in New York has been disintegrating for decades. Sadly,
so long as central planning and subsidized services are the main
mechanisms by which infrastructure will be managed, it will continue
to get worse.

For example, the city's subways were a wonderful innovation. They were
built by private companies and made money. They were then driven into
the ground when the government limited on the fares they could charge
to below the cost of operation, following which they were bankrupted
and subsequently taken over by the state. Were entrepreneurs free to
address the city's traffic issues, doubtless numerous ways could be
found to improve them, but that was taken off the table decades ago.

Right now, because the subways lose money on every passenger, success
makes them more and more economically unstable. Because the subways
have attracted record ridership for several years, they're on the
verge of financial collapse. Contrast this with what would happen if
you had a store and had a record number of customers -- you would be
thinking about ways to expand.

Lest anyone think I believe there was a golden age in the past here,
it corruption and government meddling has been at the heart of the
management of New York City for around two hundred
years. Unfortunately, there is no end in sight. The majority of the
local population believe very firmly that capitalism is evil and
private organizations must not be allowed to manage infrastructure. So
long as that continues, politicians will have cover to continue
mismanaging everything in sight.

Perry



Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-23 Thread Vinit B
Ouch.
I must be remembering that week when it was inaugurated with the Rs. 11.1428571 
(insert your favourite random whole number here) toll wherein they expected 
exact change and I was stuck for over 3 hours, on 3 separate days.

My bad.

See, just as how Gurgaon's miseries are forgotten in a few months, so will 
Bangalore's, in a few months or years!
And it would be a better argument if you used the Delhi Metro as an example. 
I'm a fan. BTW.

- Vinit


> -Original Message-
> From: silklist-bounces+vinit=bhansalimail@lists.hserus.net
> [mailto:silklist-bounces+vinit=bhansalimail@lists.hserus.net] On
> Behalf Of Priyanka Sachar
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:15 AM
> To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
> Subject: Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on
> Karnataka
> 
>  And as someone who drives twice a day up and down the Delhi-Gurgaon
> "elevated" road with an average speed of at least 100kmph (with 130kmph
> at
> times) - I can safely tell u that the delhi-gur expressway can not be
> compared to bangalore's traffic at all. :)
> 
> 
> > > Next time anyone has problems with Bangalore traffic, I'm going to
> > > get
> > them
> > > lined up outside the Lincoln tunnel going into NYC on Monday
> morning
> > > at
> > 9am
> > > in the cash-only toll-lane.
> > >
> > > Or, closer home, driving from Bandra to Worli (before the sea-link)
> > during
> > > rush-hour.
> > > Or, driving from Delhi to Gurgaon on the "new elevated road"
> >
> >




Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-23 Thread Vinit B
Danese,

What you say about giving "Bangalore the miss" is well taken.

For the longest time (even before the present mess), I've thought of
Bangalore to just be a stop-over on the way to Mysore, Goa, Kerala or other
more wonderful south Indian destinations. For the tourists.

My problem is when people call Bangalore a bad place to "live". 
At the end of the day, we still have climate on our side. And *that* cannot
be manufactured or constructed elsewhere easily. (I know, using the awesome
Bangalorean climate as an example is a cheap trick, but we gotta use what we
have!)

Though, I appreciate your comparing Bangalore to Noida. And not Gurgaon.
Whew!

;)

- Vinit

> -Original Message-
> From: silklist-bounces+vinit=bhansalimail@lists.hserus.net
> [mailto:silklist-bounces+vinit=bhansalimail@lists.hserus.net] On
> Behalf Of Danese Cooper
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:05 AM
> To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
> Subject: Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on
> Karnataka
> 
> Must admit (as a business tourist and not a local), I wouldn't visit if
> there wasn't an interesting event happening.  I don't care about the
> infrastructure issues (grew up in LA...and you forgot to mention
> gridlock in Beijing, Bangkok, the airport road into Hanoi...your city
> doesn't actually have the worst infrastructure I've ever seen, but...).
> Compared to visiting most Indian cities, Bangalore is like one big
> Indian-themed mall.
> Culturally, its akin to visiting Noida.
> 
> As I say, I grew up in LA, and for the longest time I suffered when
> people knocked my city...the poor air quality for instance.  My
> standard response was "Hey, if you can't see the air you're breathing,
> how do you know it's even there?".  The callowness of the inhabitants.
> Even people I grew up with thought I belonged in Berkeley ;-).  So I
> understand your loyalty, Vinit...but have to break it to you that the
> article isn't so far off the mark as I see it.
> 
> There are many people I love in Bangalore, but the place??...its a
> sadly sanitized and oddly westernized version of India.  I routinely
> recommend that people give it a miss if they can possibly do so.
> 
> Danese
> 
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Vinit B 
> wrote:
> 
> > Here is my official email declaring this as "what rot".
> > Born and bought up here. Of course I'm biased, dammit.
> >
> > Next time anyone has problems with Bangalore traffic, I'm going to
> get
> > them lined up outside the Lincoln tunnel going into NYC on Monday
> > morning at 9am in the cash-only toll-lane.
> >
> > Or, closer home, driving from Bandra to Worli (before the sea-link)
> > during rush-hour.
> > Or, driving from Delhi to Gurgaon on the "new elevated road"
> >
> > The phrase "Infrastructure problems" was not coined just for
> > Bangalore, and won't be disused post-Bangalore.
> >
> > ---
> > Taken in a lighter vein, of course no-one expects accolades in a book
> > titled
> > "101 places not to visit".
> >
> > - Vinit
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:42 PM
> > > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
> > > Subject: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on
> > > Karnataka
> > >
> > > Found this on another mailing list, and I don't
> agreeentirely
> > >
> > > From one who grew up in Bangalore:
> > >
> > > Heaven knows that Bangalore has problems spilling out of its back
> > > pockets.
> > > But when the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) showcases a book titled
> > > '101 places not to visit<
> > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/101-Places-Not-Visit-
> > > Destinations/dp/1861058586>'
> > > by *Adam Russ*, with Bangalore securing the pride of place in the
> > > India section, it's time to sit up and cry.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >




Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-23 Thread Priyanka Sachar
 And as someone who drives twice a day up and down the Delhi-Gurgaon
"elevated" road with an average speed of at least 100kmph (with 130kmph at
times) - I can safely tell u that the delhi-gur expressway can not be
compared to bangalore's traffic at all. :)


> > Next time anyone has problems with Bangalore traffic, I'm going to get
> them
> > lined up outside the Lincoln tunnel going into NYC on Monday morning at
> 9am
> > in the cash-only toll-lane.
> >
> > Or, closer home, driving from Bandra to Worli (before the sea-link)
> during
> > rush-hour.
> > Or, driving from Delhi to Gurgaon on the "new elevated road"
>
>


Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-23 Thread Danese Cooper
Must admit (as a business tourist and not a local), I wouldn't visit if
there wasn't an interesting event happening.  I don't care about the
infrastructure issues (grew up in LA...and you forgot to mention gridlock in
Beijing, Bangkok, the airport road into Hanoi...your city doesn't actually
have the worst infrastructure I've ever seen, but...).  Compared to visiting
most Indian cities, Bangalore is like one big Indian-themed mall.
Culturally, its akin to visiting Noida.

As I say, I grew up in LA, and for the longest time I suffered when people
knocked my city...the poor air quality for instance.  My standard response
was "Hey, if you can't see the air you're breathing, how do you know it's
even there?".  The callowness of the inhabitants.  Even people I grew up
with thought I belonged in Berkeley ;-).  So I understand your loyalty,
Vinit...but have to break it to you that the article isn't so far off the
mark as I see it.

There are many people I love in Bangalore, but the place??...its a sadly
sanitized and oddly westernized version of India.  I routinely recommend
that people give it a miss if they can possibly do so.

Danese

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Vinit B  wrote:

> Here is my official email declaring this as "what rot".
> Born and bought up here. Of course I'm biased, dammit.
>
> Next time anyone has problems with Bangalore traffic, I'm going to get them
> lined up outside the Lincoln tunnel going into NYC on Monday morning at 9am
> in the cash-only toll-lane.
>
> Or, closer home, driving from Bandra to Worli (before the sea-link) during
> rush-hour.
> Or, driving from Delhi to Gurgaon on the "new elevated road"
>
> The phrase "Infrastructure problems" was not coined just for Bangalore, and
> won't be disused post-Bangalore.
>
> ---
> Taken in a lighter vein, of course no-one expects accolades in a book
> titled
> "101 places not to visit".
>
> - Vinit
>
> > -----Original Message-
> > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:42 PM
> > To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
> > Subject: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on
> > Karnataka
> >
> > Found this on another mailing list, and I don't agreeentirely
> >
> > From one who grew up in Bangalore:
> >
> > Heaven knows that Bangalore has problems spilling out of its back
> > pockets.
> > But when the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) showcases a book titled '101
> > places not to visit< http://www.amazon.co.uk/101-Places-Not-Visit-
> > Destinations/dp/1861058586>'
> > by *Adam Russ*, with Bangalore securing the pride of place in the India
> > section, it's time to sit up and cry.
> >
>
>
>
>


Re: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-23 Thread Vinit B
Here is my official email declaring this as "what rot".
Born and bought up here. Of course I'm biased, dammit.

Next time anyone has problems with Bangalore traffic, I'm going to get them
lined up outside the Lincoln tunnel going into NYC on Monday morning at 9am
in the cash-only toll-lane.

Or, closer home, driving from Bandra to Worli (before the sea-link) during
rush-hour.
Or, driving from Delhi to Gurgaon on the "new elevated road"

The phrase "Infrastructure problems" was not coined just for Bangalore, and
won't be disused post-Bangalore.

---
Taken in a lighter vein, of course no-one expects accolades in a book titled
"101 places not to visit". 

- Vinit

> -Original Message-
> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:42 PM
> To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
> Subject: [silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on
> Karnataka
> 
> Found this on another mailing list, and I don't agreeentirely
> 
> From one who grew up in Bangalore:
> 
> Heaven knows that Bangalore has problems spilling out of its back
> pockets.
> But when the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) showcases a book titled '101
> places not to visit< http://www.amazon.co.uk/101-Places-Not-Visit-
> Destinations/dp/1861058586>'
> by *Adam Russ*, with Bangalore securing the pride of place in the India
> section, it's time to sit up and cry.
> 





[silk] who killed bangalore? from the "churumuri" blog on Karnataka

2008-12-20 Thread Deepa Mohan
Found this on another mailing list, and I don't agreeentirely

>From one who grew up in Bangalore:

Heaven knows that Bangalore has problems spilling out of its back pockets.
But when the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) showcases a book titled '101 places
not to visit<
http://www.amazon.co.uk/101-Places-Not-Visit-Destinations/dp/1861058586>'
by *Adam Russ*, with Bangalore securing the pride of place in the India
section, it's time to sit up and cry.

The introduction to Bangalore reads:

"In the heart of a country of incredible sensory richness lies a town with
all the life-loving vibrancy of a chicken battery farm"

And through nine short paragraphs, the 192-page "essential guide to the
world's most miserable, ugly, boring and inbred destinations" (published by
Robson Books) tears into Bangalore's food, bars, museums, and everybody's
favourite whipping boy, infrastructure.

Admittedly, its flippant tone—"tongue-in-cheek, laugh-out-loud humour (that)
outlines all the not so attractive elements"—will not meet everyone's OK,
but Russ does really shows how the light has gone out in Silicon Halli. And
how little we have tried to preserve our own.

*HISTORY*: Nicknamed the "town of boiled beans" after the staple diet of
most of the town's population until about ten years ago, Bangalore is the
capital of the state of Karnataka state and has been a vital fortress town
and administrative centre since the 16th century.

The Indian government's awarding of numerous defences and telecommunications
contracts to companies in the region led to a period of remarkable growth in
the 1960s, until problems with the infrastructure became apparent, namely
the fact that there was a limit to the number of plug adapters you culd run
off a single socket.

*CULTURE*: As cultures go, India is as rich and diverse as they come. Tour
the country and whereever you go you will be greeted by majestic vistas,
earthly smells and people as rich in diversity as they are in debt to the
World Bank.

Except, that is, in Bangalore, a city whose soul has been clinically removed
in the name of corporate efficiency. The arrival of the major banks, telecom
companies, and the other super-villains in the city drawn by the lure of
first-rate graduates happy to sit for long hours in cubicles and be abused
by Western consumers—has altered the city and its people irreparably.

Everything about the host culture has been watered down, westernised, or
otherwise screwed up. Family life in India is dominated by conversation in
India, and families do a lot of talking in Bangalore—just not to each other.
This is because families don't just get to see each other. They're too busy
explaining to you why the ATM just ate your card. To maintain family life in
Bangalore, parents have to work split shifts on different time cycles. This
means that someone is always home to make sure the kids get their
introduction to telephone customer service homework in on time,

*ATTRACTIONS*: Unless you are planning a guide to the world's largest call
centres or have a fascination with theme bars so fake there are indigenous
tribes in the Amazonian rainforests that wouldn't be taken in by them,
Bangalore is a city to be avoided at all costs.

The government museum is on *Kasturba Gandhi *road and is worthing spending
a rupee on if you're a museum curator and want to feel good about the way
you display your exhibits back home.

*EATING AND DRINKING*: The clash of cultures has resulted in some
interesting recipes appearing on Bangalore's menus. Many of these "fusion"
dishes work surprisingly well. Most, however, do not. In particular, the
Dixie Fried Reclaimed Meat Thali with Kannada Chicken Bone Fries should be
avoided by humands—or any other animals with fewer than six stomachs.

*EAST BECOMES WEST*: The arrival of American frims in Bangalore in the 1980s
has had an undeniable impact on local culture, with vegetarian restaurants
gradually being replaced by Pizza Hut and Baskin-Robbins. And the city
authorities' decision to host the Miss World contest in 1996 showed that
they were out of touch not only with the rest of India, but probably with
the rest of the world as well.