Re: cs physician on vancouver island that might know a thing about m.s.
Peter, I cannot help you with a doc but see if any info on this web site rings true for you, take the test. Deb http://howdyneighbor.com/jbayliss/ Peter Koziol wrote: Can anyone tell me if there is a m.d. on this island who is knowledgable about m.s. and might be able to help me in my down hill spiral. Peter K -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSproper dosages
Terri, Everyone is different due to bodyweight so I am told. I know Marsha took 3 mouthfuls a day and that helped her. Right now I am trying to get my body balanced with acidophillus to see what is from that and what is left of the lyme. I did take it three times a day and was up to an ounce or so at a time, maybe more, but that was the low (5-6)ppm. I am taking 500ppm and am taking a tsp at a time. If you are feeling good just try to increase every two weeks until the symptoms are gone and then continue on for a couple of months just to be sure. If I left anything out let me know, it is late and this has been a day from h--- Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSprogress report.
Makes sense to me. I also noticed when I was not taking the acidophillus that I was not that hungry. That was not really a downfall though. Thanks again, Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS: rate of excretion
Whitney, here's the text of the post from 6-3-98: +++ Subject: Silver levels in Biospecton Test Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:48:30 -0700 From: Daniel F. Smith dfsm...@maranatha.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com CC: Mercury Poisoning from Dental Amalgam amal...@listserv.gmd.de Greetings, I just got my results back from a 26 element screening of a feces sample by Biospectron of Sweden. i...@biospection.se (The normal price for the test is $165.00 US ) The silver level was 4.324 mg/kg or 4 ppm silver!! This relates to a 'normal' of 0.021 mg/kg or 270 times the 'normal' level. I have 18 Amalgam fillings, which makes my mercury levels 0.208 mg/kg or about 9 times normal. The silver from amalgams should be about half the mercury level. Tin levels are 2.3 times normal with 5.29 mg/kg which would also be from amalgams normally. I suspect the extremely high silver levels are mostly from the silver colloidal that I have been making and taking at 2-3 teaspoons a day of yellow colloid at about 50k ohms in a bottle cap. I havn't had any colds or flu since I started the silver. I also have an unusual 2 times normal silicon reading that I am at a loss to explain. Does anyone have any ideas or input for me? Regards, Daniel F. Smith +++ And M.G.D.'s reply: Dan Smith wrote (the condensed version): I just got my results back from a 26 element screening of a feces sample by Biospectron of Sweden. The silver level was 4.324 mg/kg or 4 ppm silver!! This relates to a 'normal' of 0.021 mg/kg or 270 times the 'normal' level. I suspect the extremely high silver levels are mostly from the silver colloidal that I have been making and taking at 2-3 teaspoons a day On 3 Jun 98 at 22:43, Whitney wrote: Wow, that's a lot of silver. I am new to this CS concept, so it's hard for me to believe that kind of a ratio is safe. Hi Whitney, Normal and Healthy may not be synonymous, here. Silver is filtered from the blood by the liver and excreted in the feces. If Dan's taking silver in and it is *not* accumulating somewhere in him, then that's where it'll show up. Since the people from whom the normal silver spec was derived were probably eating the standard modern diet, we can guess that they are not getting anywhere near the amount of silver that their bodies can use and eliminate, were it available. So normal may not be particularly useful except as a standard to measure the success of his supplementation. This is a really interesting bit of data that helps confirm what proponents of CS have been saying for awhile. It *is* eliminated by the body and therefore does not pose a threat of argyria. Thanks for the info, Dan! I'll be interested to see what our other silverlisters have to say about it. There you have it! My opinion, anyway. Be well, Mike D. ++ Philip Collins wrote: Mike D, on 9-22-98 you wrote, there is decent evidence that (CS) is readily excreted (if made right) Mike, I do remember a post awhile back that someone had measured his fecal silver (urinary silver too?) and guessed it was roughly the same amount he was ingesting orally each day. Is that the decent indication you cite? As someone whose hair and blood mercury went off the Dr's Data chart from combined amalgam-harboring and fish-eating, and who has been in persistent ill health for the last 15 years, I am very chary about loading myself up with silver, yet I am *dying* (no pun intended) to try CS for my various ailments. Could you give me any more precise information on that issue? Like, --Do we only have that one informal study? --How the silver was measured? --Was it only fecal, or urinary too? --Did the person record the ppm and dosage of his CS intake? --how long was the measuring done? --how young and healthy was the person? --Are there any other studies? --What was the manufacture procedure of the CS? (ie, what is made right?) I'd really be grateful for any *concrete, specific* information from Mike or anyone on this. Whitney Here's what I believe you were asking for (I archive a bunch of this...)g Be Well Bruce -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSWaterOz???
ok... must have missed something what is WaterOz?? I had a typical Lyme EM rash a few months ago and was treated with 4 weeks of oral doxy. Then my MS symptoms improved (yes, I have MS dx some 7 years ago...) but I was back to square one within 2 weeks off the abx. Doc then put me on 3 weeks of Rocephin. I again got to the point I had energy and was able to walk with a walker (I'm in a wheelchair) Rocephin stopped and once again I am fading back to square one. Doc won't give anymore abx 'cause anything would be dead by now and besides the Lyme tests were neg... (heard that one before??) So I guess any treatment is in my hands now. (Given my insurance, going to other docs is not an option) I have been reading these posts for a while now and am a bit hesitant to make my own silver. the whole dosage/ppm thing has me a bit confused. and now WaterOz??? THANKYOUVERYMUCH, Karen Pickel peg...@rapidnet.com Over The Fence Graphics Web Design ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ application/ms-tnef
CS: rate of excretion
Mike D, on 9-22-98 you wrote, there is decent evidence that (CS) is readily excreted (if made right) Mike, I do remember a post awhile back that someone had measured his fecal silver (urinary silver too?) and guessed it was roughly the same amount he was ingesting orally each day. Is that the decent indication you cite? As someone whose hair and blood mercury went off the Dr's Data chart from combined amalgam-harboring and fish-eating, and who has been in persistent ill health for the last 15 years, I am very chary about loading myself up with silver, yet I am *dying* (no pun intended) to try CS for my various ailments. Could you give me any more precise information on that issue? Like, --Do we only have that one informal study? --How the silver was measured? --Was it only fecal, or urinary too? --Did the person record the ppm and dosage of his CS intake? --how long was the measuring done? --how young and healthy was the person? --Are there any other studies? --What was the manufacture procedure of the CS? (ie, what is made right?) I'd really be grateful for any *concrete, specific* information from Mike or anyone on this. Whitney -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSprogress report.
I suspect I wasn't taking enough acidophilis to replace the friendly bacteria that I believe was killed by large doses of Colloidal Silver. When to much friendly bacteria is killed, Yeast syndrome occurs and can mimike many of the Symptoms of Lyme - including Chronic fatigue. The same happens with either potent or long term use of Antibiotics if the friendly bacteria is not replaced.I also noticed my appetite dramatically decreased. Maybe this is also related, since Friendly bacteria play a role in digestion. -Original Message- From: donna2...@aol.com donna2...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 2:27 PM Subject: Re: CSprogress report. Can not enoough acidophillus cause fatigue? Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSproper dosages
Mark, I took alot more than that of the lower ppm stuff. It all depends on body weight. Try increasing every two weeks and see if that makes a difference. You are no where near the amount I took and I am still here. Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSproper dosages
On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 08:15:07 -0700 Marsha Hallett liah...@pacbell.net writes: Dear Mark, I didn`t herx when I first took CS, I just began to get better. I noticed my joints were not achy by the third day, and by a week, the fog had lifted. What a relief! It took several months for the damage to heal, even after all the bugs were dead. Have you noticed any improvements at all?? Marsha Marsha, Yes, I've noticed some improvements.. you're right about the brain fog.. if I have it, I take CS and it's gone almost instantly but of course, it comes back if I don't take it for awhile again. How much CS did you take per day to finally feel 100% again? I feel probably about 90%, the best I've felt in 6 months but I'd still like to improve upon that. I don't want to start taking unsafe doses of CS.. is 3 tablespoons per day insuffiencent for lyme? -Mark ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CScolloidal silver protein
Interesting. :) Thanks. -Original Message- From: In Moon im...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 1:55 AM Subject: CScolloidal silver protein Does anyone know how to make Colloidal Silver Protein? Yeah, Dr. Farber and his people? GRIN Generally speaking sprouting process is used to make protein bound minerals. Get a sprouting kit at the local health food store, and buy some alfalfa seed , then grow alfalfa sprout with colloidal silver water. Vitamin companies dry them and make them into tablets to maket. But raw sprout may be better for you, even though very short shelf life for commercial stores. In E. Moon im...@hotmail.com __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS antibiotics
There was some discussion of whether or not CS antibiotics cancel each other out. Did this question ever get answered definitively? Shelley -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSprogress report.
Thanks for the input. :) I think part of my problem was a lack of acidophilis and judging by the excess fatigue I may have killed to much friendly bacteria. I am loading up on acidophilis now. I am happy with all the responses I have received. Thanks. John J jo...@access.mountain.net -Original Message- From: Doug Sprague spra...@calgary.dowell.slb.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 11:37 AM Subject: Re: CSprogress report. You may want to try taking the silver immediately after eating. better chance of getting absorbed before getting to the lower intestine. Doug At 11:55 PM 02/10/98 +00-05, you wrote: John Jones wrote: A while back I promised to report my results with 32 ounces of homemade colloidal silver per day. After about two weeks my stomach was highly sensitive to the homemade CS I made using a 27volt generator. I did have some positive results. But the results were unsatisfactory ... Hi John, I'd appreciate others' comments to this, as all I'm sharing is my gut feeling based on my limited experiences. I tried drinking a fair amount of CS as you did, many ounces a day of probably 20ppm or more. After a week or two I began to have intestinal problems as well as just feeling poorly. When I started to have acute muscle and joint pains in my legs, hips and back I got really concerned. I stopped taking the CS but continued to get worse, rather than better. Now you might wonder if I'm describing a herx. I don't really think so, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I'm basically healthy. I'm not fighting Lyme or any chronic disease I'm aware of. My original cause for using CS was to beat back the bronchitis and other upper respiratory infections I used to have. grin The other reason I don't think is was a herx, is what solved it. Jim Einert, our resident ND, had made a couple of suggestions to another list member who described having very similar muscle and joint symptoms. One of the things he said to try was calcium. This got me thinking about basic nutrition, and I had my wife buy me one of those calcium enriched orange juices. I drank only two 4 ounce servings over twelve hours and was immediately much better. What I believe happened is I had thoroughly wiped out my intestinal flora, such that I couldn't absorb many nutrients. I had driven my nutritional state, and probably body chemistry, way out of whack. So my response to what you've described is that you're probably not being subtle enough in designing your regimen. Others here can recommend steps to restore and support your overall balance better than I can. But I think that is what is going to be needed if you're going to use a lot of CS (or anything else for that matter) for a long time. I am now temporarily switching back to Dr. Farber's Colloidal Silver Protein - as I had my best overall results with it. Though within the three days I've started back and a couple days before I've been much worse. If you read on the Advantage Pharmaceutical site you'll see they suggest other things to do while you are treating your Lyme. I'm not sure you'll feel any better until your digestion gets back to normal, whichever product you're going to use. Does anyone know how to make Colloidal Silver Protein? Yeah, Dr. Farber and his people? GRIN Is there a machine I can buy or make myself to generate it? I've never heard a discussion of just how they produce their product. I believe they use some pretty high quality methods to control the quality. I don't think I'd try to duplicate it, although the high cost is an incentive. I would greatly appreciate any help. I don't think the homemade silver I'm making with my 27 volt generator is strong enough. The reason we're pursuing the low voltage generators as well as others, is because anybody can do it that way. I'm not sure, based on your description, that it's the fault of the CS. You may need to do some other things to support your body during treatment. Thank you. Take Care. Good luck, John! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail
Re: CSReid/herx/Nick
Thanks for the info Nick, What ppm is the water OZ suppose to be? Actually $100 for the CSpro is not so bad. I am spending $40.00 for a 4 ounce bottle of CS. That is only one bottle. Keep me posted, I am real curious to see if the water oz works. Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSproper dosages
Hi All- I've been taking CS now for a few weeks but I can't seem to get into a routine where I can decide how much to take of what PPM to cure my lyme disease. I've taken about 3 tablespoons of 20-30PPM per day for a few weeks with no herx reactions at all. Should I up my dosages at all? -Mark Dear Mark, I didn`t herx when I first took CS, I just began to get better. I noticed my joints were not achy by the third day, and by a week, the fog had lifted. What a relief! It took several months for the damage to heal, even after all the bugs were dead. Have you noticed any improvements at all?? Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSReid/herx/Nick
Donna, I just started on the WaterOz and there is a difference in taste and reaction (My wife said it bothered her throat when she took it, and she can tell without looking, if that's what's in the bottle) Perhaps its more potent? I'm not sure, but I've been taking 1 tablespoon 2x a day for about a week now, but I'm going to cut it down to once a day.I have not noticed anything different in the way I'm feeling--so that's good!! But if you're herxing now, I think you should start with less. When I was herxing really bad, I found that if I cut back on the amount I took, the Herx was less severe. The WaterOz was $60 for a gallon with shipping. The CSPro CS is $100 for 5- 16oz bottles delivered.($16 per bottle plus shipping) so the Water Oz is 1/2 the price. I'll let you know how it goes. All I know is I never want to feel the way I did a year ago with the Lyme. Let me know what you decide to do. Nick -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSReid/herx/Nick
Donna, I just started on the WaterOz and there is a difference in taste and reaction (My wife said it bothered her throat when she took it, and she can tell without looking, if that's what's in the bottle) Perhaps its more potent? I'm not sure, but I've been taking 1 tablespoon 2x a day for about a week now, but I'm going to cut it down to once a day.I have not noticed anything different in the way I'm feeling--so that's good!! But if you're herxing now, I think you should start with less. When I was herxing really bad, I found that if I cut back on the amount I took, the Herx was less severe. The WaterOz was $60 for a gallon with shipping. The CSPro CS is $100 for 5- 16oz bottles delivered.($16 per bottle plus shipping) so the Water Oz is 1/2 the price. I'll let you know how it goes. All I know is I never want to feel the way I did a year ago with the Lyme. Let me know what you decide to do. Nick -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSproper dosages
Mark, CS should be taken according to body weight for lyme. I do not have the url as to where to find this. Anyone on the list have it? I know you start out of what is recommended and then increase every two weeks until all symptoms are gone. I also am taking it for lyme. I use to make my own and have switched so I will let you know if I find a difference. Donna -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: cs physician on vancouver island that might know a thing about m.s.
Peter, have you look at www.heskco.com/theratec/front.html. This clinic has been curing MS. Best of Health, Ni. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CScolloidal silver protein
Does anyone know how to make Colloidal Silver Protein? Yeah, Dr. Farber and his people? GRIN Generally speaking sprouting process is used to make protein bound minerals. Get a sprouting kit at the local health food store, and buy some alfalfa seed , then grow alfalfa sprout with colloidal silver water. Vitamin companies dry them and make them into tablets to maket. But raw sprout may be better for you, even though very short shelf life for commercial stores. In E. Moon im...@hotmail.com __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: cs physician on vancouver island that might know a thing about m.s.
Can anyone tell me if there is a m.d. on this island who is knowledgable about m.s. and might be able to help me in my down hill spiral. Peter K -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
