Re: CS>Stirring the pot?
Thanks Mike, From a practical point of view, the aquarium pump sounds like the way that would suit me best. (The KISS principal!) As I also follow the just below boiling point recommendation by SOTA, I should also have the advantage of convection currents, as suggested in another posting by Ivan Anderson With the SOTA reverse polarity unit, I get a very slight build up on the fatter of the two electrodes and clean it with a light abrasive plastic pad which they provide, so build-up is not a problem. If there is a manufacturer in Australia who is listening in on all this, I am interested in buying a unit that I would call semi commercial, with the following features; 1. Will make a large quantity of CS - somewhere around a gallon at a time. 2. Has a build in paddle stirrer 3. Is around Aus.$300!? !? Mail me off list if there is anything around. No offence to the US folks, but with the 40% exchange rate difference, freight, customs charges etc. it can get pretty expensive by the time that it gets here! Thanks all, Rob - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour To: Sent: 27 October 1999 5:24 AM Subject: Re: CS>Stirring the pot? > > As a non-techie, and one who appreciates that 'any silver is better > > than none', as expressed by some listers recentlyJust how > > important is the stirring process in the success of home manufacture > > CS? > > It's main purpose, at least for me, is to disperse the denser cloud > of CS particles that forms around the positive electrode and locally > increases the conductivity. If too much current flows, the particles > tend to get bigger. Stirring at the same time I wipe off the > electrodes does cause the current to go back down for a > little while after I restart the process. > > One idea that has given some decently consistent small particle CS is > to use continuous stirring. Bob Berger uses a small motor running > slowly with a plastic "whip" on the end. Another method is to use an > aquarium pump and a small plastic tube to slowly bubble some air > through the mix. > > Again, either of these techniques is just window dressing to solve > some small problems that makes the basic recipes a little > inconvenient or less controlled. > > > If, as I understand it, the the CS electrons or microns, (or > > whatever!?), repel each in solution with an electrical charge. To > > make only a 5-10ppm batch using a SOTA generator means standing > > there for 30 minutesAnd, if I make an extra batch for the > > kids, means standing at the stove for an hour - & so on!! Your > > thoughts please, Thanks, Rob > > Gentle continuous stirring will allow the current and ppm to rise > slowly. By the time it reaches whatever limit you've decided on, the > only particles made will be those characteristic of that current or > lower, which is kinda nice. > > As for speeding things up, using "starter" from your previous batch > helps vs. starting with plain distilled water. Also, the polarity > switching technique seems to eliminate the buildup on the electrodes, > though some interesting questions have been raised about its effect > on the charge of some of the particles. > > So you might be able to use some of these ideas to develop your own > recipe that will free you from having to "mind the store" quite so > closely. The ideal would be to be able to start it up, set a timer, > and walk away! > > Those are just a few random comments, not all of which I've tried > personally, yet. Let us know what you think. > > Be well, > > Mike D. > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] > [mdev...@mail.id.net ] > [Speaking only for myself... ] > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Garlic - sulphur
Bob Beck regards garlic as something that should be avoided at all costs. It would seem that garlic provides a generous amount of natural sulphur. It would also appear that our bodies require this form of sulphur on a daily basis. MSM is a natural form of sulphur which I am lead to believe comes from the by-product of paper manufacturing from trees. As I am a recent convert to the use of MSM used in conjunction with CS, I am wondering -,whether or not there is some correlation between the two sulphurs from these sources? I am aware that many vegetables, etc. are supposed to contain this natural form of sulphur, but it is debatable as to whether there is any in the products that are now grown. Perhaps the same as with silver, now almost totally missing from our diet. It seems to me, that with the increased world-wide use of MSM, that a new list may be needed to support the traffic that it would generate if more people knew about it. WhattayouthinkMike!? Regards, Rob
Re: CS>Doggy-itis\Something New
Hi :) I am new to this list and am generally just a reader not a poster...but this thread has to do with dogs...so I would like to share my story with you all and also ask a few questions..I would appreciate any and all comments on my problem and how to solve it if anyone knows...sorry if this is rather long but its a long story that can not be made short.This is about Flouride so if ANYONE knows ANYTHING PLEASE email me. I just recently bought a CS generator and made my first batch. Ok this is the problem..I have this dog, that years ago was refusing to eat, so the vet I was using at the time, gave me a bottle of vitimins for her. He told me since she was so large to give her 5 to 6 tabs a day. Which I did...she was on them for about 4 months,and then she broke out in bumps began to lose some hair, and drank excessive amounts of water, when she broke out and began losing hair etc.(it was literally falling out in wads...but not like a normal shedding) I was suspicious of the vitimins and took her off them, they stayed in my 'dog cabinet' for a long time, then this dog began having problems with a tooth now and then, we had to have about 3 pulled,so I am racking my brain as to why?dogs dont normally get cavitiies or have bad teeth. then I came across the vitimins one day and started reading the contents and the doseage...(It was a BIG mistake not to read the ingredients before I ever gave them to her..but you have to understand I had used this vet for years and trusted him...I regret DAILY that I didnt read them)it called for one tab a day and they had fluoride in them,so I called lots drs. and dentists and explained what happened and took her to several vets asked their opinions and they all said no it couldnt be the problem..fluoride passes thru the body.even the vet (at this point this is a new vet I had changed to)said no.well a yr later I bought a mereck vet manual and under fluoride poisoning this is what it says.The signs of fluorosis:( flouride poisoning) from chronic ingestion are the same regardless of the source of flouride.sodium flouride is the most toxic calcium flouride the least,(sodium floride was what was in the vitimins)casual observation of affected animals may suggest signs of debilatating arthritis,osteoporosis ,defiency of calcium,phosphorus, or vit. D Lameness in advanced cases may be wrongly attributed to an accident.non specific staining in cattle teeth may be confused with incipient ( not sure what that word means) fluorosis.her teeth..well what she has left, ARE stained!And lastly it says however no treatment has been shown to cure the chronic effects of fluorine toxicity. 3 years later ... minus 25 teeth this dog IS still alive,but I worry the effects WILL eventually kill her...since the manual also talks about how in advanced stages there is skeletal abnormalities,bones become chalky white, soft, thickened,degenerative changes in kidneys, liver and several endocrine oragns have been reported.. my vet I use now has said since it was such a high dose it is likely this is what caused her to have to pull so many teeth...does ANYONE know if the cs will take the flouride out of her system?prolong her life? if so what ppm should I make? after having 21 teeth pulled 4 weeks ago (my vet took out the bad teeth and every tooth that even looked like it would go bad, I dont want to have to put this dog to sleep for surgery again unless I have to)she was put on antibiodics (before and after) for 10 days, she still had signs of infection so they said keep her on them 14 days, the infection was still there..so after 14 days I took her off the antibiodics , ordered a cs generator and started giving her cs.. the batch I made was 5ppm...from what I have been reading thats probably not strong enough?She HAS improved GREATLY tho since shes been on it...the infection is better, and within 15 minutes of the first dose she had so much energy we couldnt keep up with her in the house or out..she took the longest running fit I have ever seen..and she still does :)so I know the cs is working on the infection part..but what about getting the fluoride out of her bodyif cs wont do it does anyone know of an herb that will? Thanks for taking time to read this and again I apologize that its so long. Lyn -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Doggy-itis
I had to take him to the vet - it's a prostate thing. So he's on medication with a strong possibility that in his old age he'll have to be spayed. There seem to be so many pros and cons to this procedure!!! meanwhile he continues to just love his colloidal silver, so fingers crossed. Thanks for your reply! Yvonne -Original Message- From: Janine/Gary [mailto:garyjan...@email.msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 6:39 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Doggy-itis Sounds like your dog has a urinary tract infection. Be careful that he doesn't get blocked. Janine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Garlic and Mullein oil
Fascinating!!1 I'm definitely on for a read - thanks! Yvonne -Original Message- From: Marsha Hallett [mailto:liah...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 6:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Garlic and Mullein oil According to the Sumarian writings as translated by Stitchin (Ie. The 12th > Planet) this is close, but it was actually aliens (which were referred to as > gods, but not God) that modified the environment and our dna for shorter life > spans to keep us from getting too wise and becoming a threat. Interesting > reading. > > Marshall Dear Marshall, I`ve read all his books too, and they ARE interesting! Hmm, I wonder if THEY will return in 2013... Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Garlic - sulphur
Rob wrote: > It seems to me, that with the increased world-wide use of MSM, that > a new list may be needed to support the traffic that it would > generate if more people knew about it. > > WhattayouthinkMike!? One step at a time, mate! But the idea of a cluster of alt-health related lists and web sites is a good one, as long as we can maintain quality across the bunch. It'll require volunteers to help moderate and maintain them, which we probably will have if my recent request for assistance is any indication. The main site can act as a virtual portal to the rest and focus around a general alt-health forum. That's what I think, Rob! When exactly it would happen is another question altogether! I *did* just move that other small list of mine off of eskimo, clearing the boards for starting the new alt-health-list there. I'm still in the depths of another project, though, so I'm not going to be ready to act on that for a *little* while more. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Unidentified subject!
Jim, The change in colour indicates coagulation or flocculation of the silver particles, ie they're getting bigger for some reason. What current are you regulating at. Being current limited implies that your voltage will drop to low levels rather quickly. Also I take it that you use 110 V AC power source, have you measured the voltage at the electrodes? Will be in a position to help you if you supply these parameters. Ivan - Original Message - From: Jim Keltner To: Sent: Wednesday, 27 October 1999 14:11 Subject: CS>Unidentified subject! > I am new at generating cs for my own use and would like to know if any one > could explain why the color of the solution is usually yellowish but > some-times turns to a pinkish color.This change in color may take one week > to three weeks and sometimes is clear to pinkish from the very begining. > I am using a generator with current regulator,no salt and 110 volts.My > directios call for 16oz. of distilled water applied current for 5hrs. to > obtain 15-20ppm.Any response to jk...@kfalls.net would be appreciated. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>diagram/design
- Original Message - From: W.T. Shoultz > Yes, James, it is something that has crossed my mind, too. Where does it > go? Is it still there just in smaller particulate form? Maybe some of the > more learned on the list can explain this. >W.T. This is a subject for investigation. Some particles are obviously going to contact a negatively charged electrode, as they turn tail and race back to where they had just come from (stirring will obviously limit this ocurrence, but not eliminate it). At this electrode they will be reduced (accept an electron from the electrode, and loose the positive charge to become neutral elemental silver). In a straight dc circuit the particles will remain loosely attached to this electrode, unless disturbed in some way, whereas in a switching circuit the negative elec becomes the positive elec, and as reports are that the electrode remains clean, in these systems, these particles must re-enter the solution... but what as. Do the particles get stripped of their electrons again, undoubtably some do, but do all... does a percentage of uncharged metallic silver enter the solution. This can be determined by experimentation and testing for charged particles vs total particles. The other observation is this: if many particles are being stripped of electrons during the first half of the switching cycle, are then resupplied with electrons during the second half, only to loose electrons again during the next cycle etc. etc., is this an efficient way to generate colloidal silver. Obviusly constant stirring is a necessity in switching circuit cs generation. Any thoughts Ivan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>diagram/design
As far as I know EM and spectrophotometry will not differentiate between charged and uncharged particles. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Steve King To: Sent: Wednesday, 27 October 1999 23:44 Subject: Re: CS>diagram/design > James, all: > > >Hrmmm, I've never been that sure about polarity switching. I would tend to > >wonder what happens to the sludge if it's not on the cathode. We know it's > >there somewhere, as it is part of the process of colloidal silver > >generation. Something to think about I guess. > > Is it -really- in there somewhere? It seems that using > different CS generation processes, you can make > high quality CS with or without the sludge. I think > this has been verified with a lot of spectro and > EM analysis by the commercial CS makers. I have > NOT seen any agreement that the sludge is somehow > driven into the solution if you can't see it . . . > except for that one article that you referenced > earlier (interesting article, I do admit!). > > best - Steve King > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Colloid? was baking soda
Well James, I reckon fantasy and speculation to be the hallmark of the scientific inquiry and invention. And why would I need to answer these questions if no one asks them, thus improving my own data base. As to Ag clusters, I too have the same objection, but conclude the opposite to you I think. I believe the clusters to consist of Ag+ ions, sharing a deficit of electrons. My Ion Selective Electrode will not measure the activity of any element other than silver (excepting sulphide) and only then if the silver has a positive charge. As my ISE results correlate well with total silver assay (and with a conductivity meter I might add), I conclude the sols I have measured are indeed composed of silver ion clusters, within the margin of error etc. Cheers, Ivan. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, 28 October 1999 05:12 Subject: RE: CS>Colloid? was baking soda > Hi Sam, Ivan, et al > > Thanks for the detail Ivan. I must study your posts carefully, they are > rich with info. > > Remember, the micelle bit was prefaced with "Pure Speculation". Maybe > fantasy would be better. But I still have some sort of unconscious > objection to a cluster of Ag with only one of them short an electron. > > But, onward... > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:i...@win.co.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 6:01 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Colloid? was baking soda > > Sam, > > James is correct...and psychic. > > Oxidation is the removal of electrons. Reduction is the gaining > of electrons. > A redox reaction is a two way street (most interactions of matter > involve redox reactions)... that which is oxidised looses an > electron, that which does the oxidising is reduced and gains that > electron. The apparent contradiction in terms comes about because > at the time when these reactions were described the electron was > not known. What was described was the gain and loss of the > positive charge. Hence reduction is the gaining of a negatively > charged electron... and the REDUCTION of positive charge. > > The term oxidation comes about because the reaction it describes was > first observed with oxygen. > > There are four or five oxides of silver, but all are unstable... the > most stable being Ag2O which decomposes upon mild heating. > Ag+ is actually quite a strong oxidising agent. > > James writes: > > These processes take place with electrons of the atoms outer shells. > The > > charges present are called the valence of the atom or ion. It is > not > > clear to myself how the positive charge on a cluster of silver atoms > > originates, but I don't think it is the valence charge of a single > Ag atom > > which is a part of the cluster. > > I'm not sure why you have trouble with this. > Do you believe that electrons are stripped from silver atoms at the > anode? > As noted above a 'positive' charge is really a less negative charge, > its origin being that a silver particle that has lost one or more > electrons is less negative than one that has all its electrons, and is > therefore 'positively' charged. The physical chemistry of the > transition metals (silver is one) is not fully understood, but it > seems they can loose electrons from inner shells and exist with > 'positive holes' in their electron cloud, and this is thought to be > the reason for the unusual properties of these elements. The fact is > that groups of ions do exist together as clusters and in deed > particles of the same type with similar charges can be drawn together. > > Regarding H+. It is thought that the electron deficiency is passed > from water molecule to water molecule, explaining why experimental > results for the mobility of H+ ions far exceeds its possible motion. > There is no reason that I know of to believe it becomes trapped as a > static H3O- complex ion, if the silver atoms have no charge, why would > they be involved in a micelle of water molecules in the first place. > > Would it hook up with some oxidising (reducing?) hussy? Only if they > bumped in the night with the right attitude. > > Sure, if that joker can choke back the laughter and give us the low > down of metallic sol chemistry he can have your eternal gratitude and > my mickey mouse watch. > > 'Chaos reigns...my work here is done.' > Ivan. > > - Original Message - > From: James Osbourne, Holmes > To: > Sent: Wednesday, 27 October 1999 12:32 > Subject: RE: CS>Colloid? was baking soda > > > > Yes, Sam, there is an argument with that, > > > > and, I predict you will hear from Ivan shortly... > > > > Oxidation and reduction always occur together. An electron > > donator---almost always a metal---is called a reducing agent and is > said to > > be oxidized when it donates the -e. The electron receptor is called > the > > oxidizing agent, and in the process is said to be reduced. The > process is > > reversible under some conditio
RE: CS>Unidentified subject!
Ivan, What current would you suggest regulating at? I am using an FET(Field Effect Transistor) 2N2608 as a current regulator. It is set at .5ma short circuit. A resistor(1Kohm in my case) from the source to gate sets the current regulator rate. The gate is the input and the drain is the output. I did this because I didn't have much luck with the LM317, which regulated at 1ma and no lower. I am using the Pulsed DC gen. Thanks BillH -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [mailto:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 3:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Unidentified subject! Jim, The change in colour indicates coagulation or flocculation of the silver particles, ie they're getting bigger for some reason. What current are you regulating at. Being current limited implies that your voltage will drop to low levels rather quickly. Also I take it that you use 110 V AC power source, have you measured the voltage at the electrodes? Will be in a position to help you if you supply these parameters. Ivan - Original Message - From: Jim Keltner To: Sent: Wednesday, 27 October 1999 14:11 Subject: CS>Unidentified subject! > I am new at generating cs for my own use and would like to know if any one > could explain why the color of the solution is usually yellowish but > some-times turns to a pinkish color.This change in color may take one week > to three weeks and sometimes is clear to pinkish from the very begining. > I am using a generator with current regulator,no salt and 110 volts.My > directios call for 16oz. of distilled water applied current for 5hrs. to > obtain 15-20ppm.Any response to jk...@kfalls.net would be appreciated. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Rising Voltage
I am using a Pulsed DC gen. with a current regulator to creat CS. I have noticed that at a point in the process the voltage starts to rise with no change in current draw. Any Ideas as to what is going on at this point? I have noticed this with my electrodes 1/2 inch apart and 1 inch apart. Differences: Electrodes 1/2 inch apart the current was .43ma(35-40min) @ 4.47v(VOM) Compensating for duty cycle: .43ma/.5454 = .788ma @ 8.2v 1 inch apart the current was .39ma(1hr 20min) @ 5.72v(VOM) Compensating for duty cycle: .39ma/.5454 = .715ma @ 10.5v before the voltage started to rise. Would this be an indicator that there is build up on the electrodes and they need to be cleaned? The build up is not obvious. There are plenty of bubbles on the negative electrode and some on the positive. The bubbles release every once in a while. Thanks BillH -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>[Fwd: CS>Intestine, Pt 14]
:-) -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net --- Begin Message --- Good-day articulators of CS, DIGESTION,stomach The enzyme pepsin is secreted in the inactive form known as *pepsinogen*. It is activated by being mixed with hydrochloric acid. Once it is activated, pepsin attacks proteins and breaks the long polypeptide chain into smaller fragments, such as tripeptides or dipeptides. It does not digest proteins completely, all the way down into amino acids. The mucin in the gastric juice protects the stomach lining from being digested by the pepsin. The mucin forms a protective coating over the inside lining of the stomach and prevents contact between the enzyme and the tissues. Otherwise we would digest ourselfs. Up to this point very little of the food has been digested completely. The molecules are still too large and complex to be absorbed into the cells. For example, in the mouth some of the starch has been broken down into maltose. But the maltose must still be broken down further into glucose molecules. In the stomach, the action of pepsin causes protein chains to break down into smaller fragments. But these fragments must be broken down still further into amino acids. Very little has happened to fats up to this point. Yet to be of use to the cells, they must be broken down to fatty acids and glycerin. The bulk of digestion will take place in the small intestine. The food which enters the stomach is delayed there by the contraction of the sphincter muscles at the cardiac and pyloric openings. The cavity of the stomach is always the size of its contents, which means that when there is no food in it , it is contracted, but when food enters, it expands just enough to hold it. The food first taken will entirely fill the stomach and succeeding food will be arranged in definite layers. The first food lays next to the wall of the stomach and fills the pyloric region,while succeeding portions are arranged regularly in the interior (center) in concentric layers. Within a few minutes after the entrance of food small contractions start in the middle region of the stomach and run toward the pylorus These contractions are regular and in the pyloric region become more forcible as digestion progresses. As a result of these movements the food in the pyloric portions is macerated, mixed with acid gastric fluid, and reduced to a thin liquid mass called *chyme*. At certain intervals the pyloric sphincter relaxes, and the wave of contraction forces some of the chyme into the duodenum. The fundic end of the stomach is less actively concerned with these movements but serves as a reservoir for food which is under slight pressure, as the muscles are in a state of continual contraction or tone. Because of lack of movement and muscular tone in this part of the stomach, the food at the fundic end may remain undisturbed for an hour or more and thus escape rapid mixture with the gastric juice, which therefore penetrates slowly to the interior of the mass. Hence salivary digestion may continue for a time in the stomach. As the chyme is gradually forced into the duodeum, the pressure of the fundus forces the food into the pyloric end. The time required for stomach digestion depends upon the nature of the food eaten. Liquids taken on an empty stomach pass the pylorus promptly. Small meals may remain from one to four hours, but average meals stay in the stomach from five to seven hours. The ejection of chyme through the pylorus occurs at regular intervals and is dependent mainly upon the strength of the peristalic wave and the nature of the chyme. Solid particles forced against the pylorus tend to keep it closed, but a finely divided chyme and its acidity, produce relaxation of the pyloric sphincter. Passing into the small intestine the presence of chyme causes a closing of the sphincter, which remains closed until the next peristaltic wave opens it again. It is the acidity of the chyme in the duodenum that brings about closure. The secretion of gastric juice is constant. Even in a period of fasting there is a small continuous secretion, but during eating and throughout the period of digestion the rate of secretion is greatly increased. In an ordinary meal the secretion first started is due to the sensations of eating and the taste and odor of food, which stimulate the sensory end organs in the mouth and nose. This *psychical* secretion insures the beginning of gastric digestion and is supplemented by chemical action arising in the stomach. Some foods, such as meat juices and extracts, contain substances called *secretagogues* or hormones which are supposed to act directly upon the nerves of the pyloric mucous membrane and form a substance called *gastrin* or *gastric secretin*, which is absorbed into the blood and carried to the gastric glands. This substance stimulates the glands to secretion. When foods are eaten, stimulating secretions occur in the following steps. first cephalic,psychical
CS>acid reflux problem
has anyone used colloidal silver to combat heartburn, indigestion, acid felux, etc. ? jack cropp
Re: CS>diagram/design
Ivan Anderson wrote: > As far as I know EM and spectrophotometry will not differentiate > between charged and uncharged particles. > > Ivan. Uncharged particle will tend to aggregate very rapidly, and spectorphotometry will show the difference in particle size. I believe there is therotical basis for there being a difference depending on charge as well, but I will have to hit the references on that one to be sure. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>acid reflux problem
Absolutely, with fantastic results. My ex-son-in-law and brother-in-law (two different people) cured ulcers with CS despite being told by their doctors that they would have them the rest of their lives. I use it for acid indigestion and acid reflux myself with results equal to or better than Pepcid AC and milk. I have no idea why it helps this, but it does. All I can guess is that bacteria must be involved although I don't think the medical profession thinks so. However they didn't think bacteria were involved with ulcers either till recently. Marshall guestlodge wrote: > has anyone used colloidal silver to combat heartburn, indigestion, > acid felux, etc. ? jack cropp
CS>round conductive pot idea
If anyone is wanting to try the round conductive container idea I talked about earlier, a non-conductive circular piece of plastic or glass needs to be placed on the bottom. Otherwise the wire will have only a short jump to the bottom of the container, and it will not maintain the symetrical electric field needed for this to work. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Unidentified subject!
HI Ivan, I measured the secondary a couple of times. It is center tapped, so the meter reads 1/2 the voltage. It starts at about 9.7K and drops during the process. I was only interested in proving that the tran was outputting in the normal range and did not correlate voltage with anything. The process is current limited by the characteristics of the tran. I have yet to locate a milliampmeter which will read the secondary. It is on my long list which keeps getting longer. Tell me the parameters you need, and suggest how I can measure them and I will try to get the data. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 4:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Unidentified subject! Jim, The change in colour indicates coagulation or flocculation of the silver particles, ie they're getting bigger for some reason. What current are you regulating at. Being current limited implies that your voltage will drop to low levels rather quickly. Also I take it that you use 110 V AC power source, have you measured the voltage at the electrodes? Will be in a position to help you if you supply these parameters. Ivan - Original Message - From: Jim Keltner To: Sent: Wednesday, 27 October 1999 14:11 Subject: CS>Unidentified subject! > I am new at generating cs for my own use and would like to know if any one > could explain why the color of the solution is usually yellowish but > some-times turns to a pinkish color.This change in color may take one week > to three weeks and sometimes is clear to pinkish from the very begining. > I am using a generator with current regulator,no salt and 110 volts.My > directios call for 16oz. of distilled water applied current for 5hrs. to > obtain 15-20ppm.Any response to jk...@kfalls.net would be appreciated. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
RE: CS>Colloid? was baking soda
Excellent info. Nothing like looking in the horses's mouth and counting the teeth James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 5:23 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Colloid? was baking soda Well James, I reckon fantasy and speculation to be the hallmark of the scientific inquiry and invention. And why would I need to answer these questions if no one asks them, thus improving my own data base. As to Ag clusters, I too have the same objection, but conclude the opposite to you I think. I believe the clusters to consist of Ag+ ions, sharing a deficit of electrons. My Ion Selective Electrode will not measure the activity of any element other than silver (excepting sulphide) and only then if the silver has a positive charge. As my ISE results correlate well with total silver assay (and with a conductivity meter I might add), I conclude the sols I have measured are indeed composed of silver ion clusters, within the margin of error etc. Cheers, Ivan. - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: Sent: Thursday, 28 October 1999 05:12 Subject: RE: CS>Colloid? was baking soda > Hi Sam, Ivan, et al > > Thanks for the detail Ivan. I must study your posts carefully, they are > rich with info. > > Remember, the micelle bit was prefaced with "Pure Speculation". Maybe > fantasy would be better. But I still have some sort of unconscious > objection to a cluster of Ag with only one of them short an electron. > > But, onward... > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:i...@win.co.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 6:01 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Colloid? was baking soda > > Sam, > > James is correct...and psychic. > > Oxidation is the removal of electrons. Reduction is the gaining > of electrons. > A redox reaction is a two way street (most interactions of matter > involve redox reactions)... that which is oxidised looses an > electron, that which does the oxidising is reduced and gains that > electron. The apparent contradiction in terms comes about because > at the time when these reactions were described the electron was > not known. What was described was the gain and loss of the > positive charge. Hence reduction is the gaining of a negatively > charged electron... and the REDUCTION of positive charge. > > The term oxidation comes about because the reaction it describes was > first observed with oxygen. > > There are four or five oxides of silver, but all are unstable... the > most stable being Ag2O which decomposes upon mild heating. > Ag+ is actually quite a strong oxidising agent. > > James writes: > > These processes take place with electrons of the atoms outer shells. > The > > charges present are called the valence of the atom or ion. It is > not > > clear to myself how the positive charge on a cluster of silver atoms > > originates, but I don't think it is the valence charge of a single > Ag atom > > which is a part of the cluster. > > I'm not sure why you have trouble with this. > Do you believe that electrons are stripped from silver atoms at the > anode? > As noted above a 'positive' charge is really a less negative charge, > its origin being that a silver particle that has lost one or more > electrons is less negative than one that has all its electrons, and is > therefore 'positively' charged. The physical chemistry of the > transition metals (silver is one) is not fully understood, but it > seems they can loose electrons from inner shells and exist with > 'positive holes' in their electron cloud, and this is thought to be > the reason for the unusual properties of these elements. The fact is > that groups of ions do exist together as clusters and in deed > particles of the same type with similar charges can be drawn together. > > Regarding H+. It is thought that the electron deficiency is passed > from water molecule to water molecule, explaining why experimental > results for the mobility of H+ ions far exceeds its possible motion. > There is no reason that I know of to believe it becomes trapped as a > static H3O- complex ion, if the silver atoms have no charge, why would > they be involved in a micelle of water molecules in the first place. > > Would it hook up with some oxidising (reducing?) hussy? Only if they > bumped in the night with the right attitude. > > Sure, if that joker can choke back the laughter and give us the low > down of metallic sol chemistry he can have your eternal gratitude and > my mickey mouse watch. > > 'Chaos reigns...my work here is done.' > Ivan. > > - Original Message - > From: James Osbourne, Holmes > To: > Sent: Wednesday, 27 October 1999 12:32 > Subject: RE: CS>Colloid? was baking soda > > > > Yes, Sam, there is an argument with that, > > > > and, I predict you will hear from Ivan shortly... > > > > Oxidation and
Re: CS>acid reflux problem
Dear Jack. In our researches relating to the conditions you outline..we obtained very satisfactory responses, from among our volunteer/experimental population, through the employment of digestive enzymes-especially bromelain, amylase, protease, and cellulase. Some of our results were astonishing---even in long-standing cases. Such enzymes are easily obtained through any nutritional supplement store. The chewable, predigestive enzymes, proved to be preferred by our volunteers. Other researchers have documented that many of the problems associated with "heartburn" and similar conditions, results from an insufficiency of digestive acidand not from over-acidity. Much of our research seems to verify this finding. I suggest you conduct a technical search addressing this area. If you will contact me later---offline---I may have some additional information. Sincerely. Brooks Bradley. p.s. I suggest you try to obtain a copy of Dr. Edward Howell's book, "Enzyme Nutrition", 1985, Avery Publishing Company. Although Dr. Howell died in 1988, this book remains the seminal work for the lay-personin attempting to understand the role of enzymes in controlling a majority of the body's metabolic functions. It is VERY interesting, well-written, and furnishes much fascinating knowledge. guestlodge wrote: > has anyone used colloidal silver to combat heartburn, indigestion, > acid felux, etc. ? jack cropp
RE: CS>diagram/design
HI Marshall, Can you explain how spectrophotometry can be used to indicate particle size in the 1 to 10 nm range? They keep telling me It can't be done, at Spectronics. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 9:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>diagram/design Ivan Anderson wrote: > As far as I know EM and spectrophotometry will not differentiate > between charged and uncharged particles. > > Ivan. Uncharged particle will tend to aggregate very rapidly, and spectorphotometry will show the difference in particle size. I believe there is therotical basis for there being a difference depending on charge as well, but I will have to hit the references on that one to be sure. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>acid reflux problem
Was that before the discovery of helobacter pylori? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 9:50 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>acid reflux problem << File: ATT5.html >> Absolutely, with fantastic results. My ex-son-in-law and brother-in-law (two different people) cured ulcers with CS despite being told by their doctors that they would have them the rest of their lives. I use it for acid indigestion and acid reflux myself with results equal to or better than Pepcid AC and milk. I have no idea why it helps this, but it does. All I can guess is that bacteria must be involved although I don't think the medical profession thinks so. However they didn't think bacteria were involved with ulcers either till recently. Marshall guestlodge wrote: > has anyone used colloidal silver to combat heartburn, indigestion, > acid felux, etc. ? jack cropp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>acid reflux problem
Dear Marshall. Quite an astute observation on your part. We determined, some time ago, that colloidal silver is of value in addressing the "manifested" conditions to which you refer. The reason being: all of the "regurgitated samples" we analyzed contained copious numbers of putrifaction-related bacteria. Additionally, nearly all reflected LOW stomach acid percentagesjust the opposite of what has been the conventional wisdom. We are, at present, conducting on-going research in this area and will possess much more definitive data by early next year. To date, our most promising results have come from the employment of digestive enzymes. I hope to be able to share an abstract of our results with this listupon completion of this study.. Sincerely. Brooks Bradley. p.s. We have found that CS is not overly beneficial to a normal, well-conditioned stomach environmentbut is a splendid adjuctive for one that is "bacterially compromised" . Marshall Dudley wrote: > Absolutely, with fantastic results. > > My ex-son-in-law and brother-in-law (two different people) cured > ulcers with CS despite being told by their doctors that they would > have them the rest of their lives. > > I use it for acid indigestion and acid reflux myself with results > equal to or better than Pepcid AC and milk. I have no idea why it > helps this, but it does. All I can guess is that bacteria must be > involved although I don't think the medical profession thinks so. > However they didn't think bacteria were involved with ulcers either > till recently. > > Marshall > > guestlodge wrote: > >> has anyone used colloidal silver to combat heartburn, indigestion, >> acid felux, etc. ? jack cropp > >
Re: CS>Unidentified subject!
On our equipment I purchased two Radio Shack panel mount voltmeters. They come with a 15K resistor and with the resistor in series they are 15 volt full scale. A little calculation shows that the meters are a 1 mA movement. So I put the meters in a diode full wave bridge and upped the resistor on one with a bunch of 1 Meg resistors so it would read out 15 KV full scale, and put a shunt across the other meter so it reads out 30 mA full scale (when I had it on one neon sign transformer). I put a diode across each meter to protect it from transients, and took the 1.15:1 RMS vs average voltage ratio into account, since these meters will be reading average instead of RMS. Works great, and gives instaneous voltage and current readouts. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: > HI Ivan, > > I measured the secondary a couple of times. It is center tapped, so the > meter reads 1/2 the voltage. > > It starts at about 9.7K and drops during the process. I was only > interested in proving that the tran was outputting in the normal range and > did not correlate voltage with anything. > > The process is current limited by the characteristics of the tran. I have > yet to locate a milliampmeter which will read the secondary. It is on my > long list which keeps getting longer. > > Tell me the parameters you need, and suggest how I can measure them and I > will try to get the data. > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > -Original Message- > From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:i...@win.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 4:33 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject:Re: CS>Unidentified subject! > > Jim, > The change in colour indicates coagulation or flocculation of the > silver particles, ie they're getting bigger for some reason. > > What current are you regulating at. Being current limited implies that > your voltage will drop to low levels rather quickly. Also I take it > that you use 110 V AC power source, have you measured the voltage at > the electrodes? > > Will be in a position to help you if you supply these parameters. > > Ivan > > - Original Message - > From: Jim Keltner > To: > Sent: Wednesday, 27 October 1999 14:11 > Subject: CS>Unidentified subject! > > > I am new at generating cs for my own use and would like to know if > any one > > could explain why the color of the solution is usually yellowish > but > > some-times turns to a pinkish color.This change in color may take > one week > > to three weeks and sometimes is clear to pinkish from the very > begining. > > I am using a generator with current regulator,no salt and 110 > volts.My > > directios call for 16oz. of distilled water applied current for > 5hrs. to > > obtain 15-20ppm.Any response to jk...@kfalls.net would be > appreciated. > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>diagram/design
You need a uv/vis scanning spectorphotometer. As the particles get bigger the absorption band wavelength gets longer. We use a Hack unit here for that. Unfortunately we have no way of calibrating it, so we cannot look at the spectrum and say the particles are such and such a size, all we can do is say that the particles in this batch are bigger or smaller than that, or that the particle size matches those in which the tests showed the highest effectiveness. If we could get samples that have been sized already by SEM or other means, we could calibrate it and then do a pretty good job of absolute sizing, but we have yet to be able to find such standards. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: > HI Marshall, > > Can you explain how spectrophotometry can be used to indicate particle size > in the 1 to 10 nm range? > > They keep telling me It can't be done, at Spectronics. > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > -Original Message- > From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 9:43 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject:Re: CS>diagram/design > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > As far as I know EM and spectrophotometry will not differentiate > > between charged and uncharged particles. > > > > Ivan. > > Uncharged particle will tend to aggregate very rapidly, and > spectorphotometry will show the difference in particle size. I believe > there is therotical basis for there being a difference depending on charge > as well, but I will have to hit the references on that one to be sure. > > Marshall > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>acid reflux problem
Yes it was (if that is the name of the bacteria). Not long ago can be a decade for me. :> Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: > Was that before the discovery of helobacter pylori? > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > -Original Message- > From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 9:50 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject:Re: CS>acid reflux problem > > << File: ATT5.html >> Absolutely, with fantastic results. > > My ex-son-in-law and brother-in-law (two different people) cured ulcers > with CS despite being told by their doctors that they would have them > the rest of their lives. > > I use it for acid indigestion and acid reflux myself with results equal > to or better than Pepcid AC and milk. I have no idea why it helps this, > but it does. All I can guess is that bacteria must be involved although > I don't think the medical profession thinks so. However they didn't > think bacteria were involved with ulcers either till recently. > > Marshall > > guestlodge wrote: > > > has anyone used colloidal silver to combat heartburn, indigestion, > > acid felux, etc. ? jack cropp > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>acid reflux problem
I have used cs for upset stomach and the like. It works well for me. If I feel sick I just drink about 2-3 oz. of cs. Janine
CS>Part 12
Ok. I'll bite. Where IS part 12? Liz
RE: CS>Unidentified subject!
Thanks Marshall, I will respond when I have a chance to read and study. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:19 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Unidentified subject! On our equipment I purchased two Radio Shack panel mount voltmeters. They come with a 15K resistor and with the resistor in series they are 15 volt full scale. A little calculation shows that the meters are a 1 mA movement. So I put the meters in a diode full wave bridge and upped the resistor on one with a bunch of 1 Meg resistors so it would read out 15 KV full scale, and put a shunt across the other meter so it reads out 30 mA full scale (when I had it on one neon sign transformer). I put a diode across each meter to protect it from transients, and took the 1.15:1 RMS vs average voltage ratio into account, since these meters will be reading average instead of RMS. Works great, and gives instaneous voltage and current readouts. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: > HI Ivan, > > I measured the secondary a couple of times. It is center tapped, so the > meter reads 1/2 the voltage. > > It starts at about 9.7K and drops during the process. I was only > interested in proving that the tran was outputting in the normal range and > did not correlate voltage with anything. > > The process is current limited by the characteristics of the tran. I have > yet to locate a milliampmeter which will read the secondary. It is on my > long list which keeps getting longer. > > Tell me the parameters you need, and suggest how I can measure them and I > will try to get the data. > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > -Original Message- > From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:i...@win.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 4:33 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject:Re: CS>Unidentified subject! > > Jim, > The change in colour indicates coagulation or flocculation of the > silver particles, ie they're getting bigger for some reason. > > What current are you regulating at. Being current limited implies that > your voltage will drop to low levels rather quickly. Also I take it > that you use 110 V AC power source, have you measured the voltage at > the electrodes? > > Will be in a position to help you if you supply these parameters. > > Ivan > > - Original Message - > From: Jim Keltner > To: > Sent: Wednesday, 27 October 1999 14:11 > Subject: CS>Unidentified subject! > > > I am new at generating cs for my own use and would like to know if > any one > > could explain why the color of the solution is usually yellowish > but > > some-times turns to a pinkish color.This change in color may take > one week > > to three weeks and sometimes is clear to pinkish from the very > begining. > > I am using a generator with current regulator,no salt and 110 > volts.My > > directios call for 16oz. of distilled water applied current for > 5hrs. to > > obtain 15-20ppm.Any response to jk...@kfalls.net would be > appreciated. > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message > to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- > silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
RE: CS>diagram/design
I am interested in learning more, and need time to study what you have sent. If I ever get mine scanned at U of Montana, I will send you the results and a sample, which may permit some calibration. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>diagram/design You need a uv/vis scanning spectorphotometer. As the particles get bigger the absorption band wavelength gets longer. We use a Hack unit here for that. Unfortunately we have no way of calibrating it, so we cannot look at the spectrum and say the particles are such and such a size, all we can do is say that the particles in this batch are bigger or smaller than that, or that the particle size matches those in which the tests showed the highest effectiveness. If we could get samples that have been sized already by SEM or other means, we could calibrate it and then do a pretty good job of absolute sizing, but we have yet to be able to find such standards. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: > HI Marshall, > > Can you explain how spectrophotometry can be used to indicate particle size > in the 1 to 10 nm range? > > They keep telling me It can't be done, at Spectronics. > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > -Original Message- > From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 9:43 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject:Re: CS>diagram/design > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > As far as I know EM and spectrophotometry will not differentiate > > between charged and uncharged particles. > > > > Ivan. > > Uncharged particle will tend to aggregate very rapidly, and > spectorphotometry will show the difference in particle size. I believe > there is therotical basis for there being a difference depending on charge > as well, but I will have to hit the references on that one to be sure. > > Marshall > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>diagram/design
You might contact Bruce Marx. He has sized samples. Perhaps he would send you a bit. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>diagram/design You need a uv/vis scanning spectorphotometer. As the particles get bigger the absorption band wavelength gets longer. We use a Hack unit here for that. Unfortunately we have no way of calibrating it, so we cannot look at the spectrum and say the particles are such and such a size, all we can do is say that the particles in this batch are bigger or smaller than that, or that the particle size matches those in which the tests showed the highest effectiveness. If we could get samples that have been sized already by SEM or other means, we could calibrate it and then do a pretty good job of absolute sizing, but we have yet to be able to find such standards. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: > HI Marshall, > > Can you explain how spectrophotometry can be used to indicate particle size > in the 1 to 10 nm range? > > They keep telling me It can't be done, at Spectronics. > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > -Original Message- > From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 9:43 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject:Re: CS>diagram/design > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > As far as I know EM and spectrophotometry will not differentiate > > between charged and uncharged particles. > > > > Ivan. > > Uncharged particle will tend to aggregate very rapidly, and > spectorphotometry will show the difference in particle size. I believe > there is therotical basis for there being a difference depending on charge > as well, but I will have to hit the references on that one to be sure. > > Marshall > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>diagram/design
How much trouble to send me an info source for the details of the procedure? What is the wavelength range used.? I may need a different photomultiplier or source tube and filter setup for my ancient Spec. 20. Can you give me a source for the details of the technique? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 11:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>diagram/design You need a uv/vis scanning spectorphotometer. As the particles get bigger the absorption band wavelength gets longer. We use a Hack unit here for that. Unfortunately we have no way of calibrating it, so we cannot look at the spectrum and say the particles are such and such a size, all we can do is say that the particles in this batch are bigger or smaller than that, or that the particle size matches those in which the tests showed the highest effectiveness. If we could get samples that have been sized already by SEM or other means, we could calibrate it and then do a pretty good job of absolute sizing, but we have yet to be able to find such standards. Marshall James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: > HI Marshall, > > Can you explain how spectrophotometry can be used to indicate particle size in the 1 to 10 nm range? > > They keep telling me It can't be done, at Spectronics. > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > > -Original Message- > From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 9:43 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject:Re: CS>diagram/design > > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > As far as I know EM and spectrophotometry will not differentiate > > between charged and uncharged particles. > > > > Ivan. > > Uncharged particle will tend to aggregate very rapidly, and > spectorphotometry will show the difference in particle size. I believe > there is therotical basis for there being a difference depending on charge > as well, but I will have to hit the references on that one to be sure. > > Marshall > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Unidentified subject!
On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:36:34 -0600, "James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote: > >I measured the secondary a couple of times. It is center tapped, so the >meter reads 1/2 the voltage. Oh! So, that's why you had to measure it twice? Chuck Credit cards have 3 dimensions: length, width, and debt! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>***Help Guillain-Barre'
All, Given the overwhelming response to my chicken question, here is another more serious one for you:). Cyber friend diagnosed with the above syndrome. Can ANYONE give me any help on this so I can pass it on to them. Many thanks in advance. Deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: Morning
Helena Hsu wrote: > BTW, at home I only drink tap water filtered through a "Brita Pitcher > Filter". I find this water taste a bit on the sour side, but it could be > just my taste buds acting funny.I chose this particular filter > because it used to say on the label: "Brita's bacteriostatic filter with > ion exchange resin and silverized activated carbon eliminates " Now > the newer replacement filters do not have the words "bacteriostatic" and > "silverized" on it. I wonder if the silver is still there but not > advertised due to FDA ruling or something? I'll have to check out their > website one day and find out. > > Do you drink filtered water or just straight from the tap? > Hi Helena, They still do. I drink filtered water from my *Brita* filter and use it for cooking and for the house plants. Bless youBob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>.999 round wire or flat type
Hello Everyone, I would like to inquire what the difference is, if any, between .999 round wire, 14 gauge and .999 flat surface, 14 gauge the flat surface looks like it's about 1/4" wide. Is it just the looks? Also, what is the proper name for the flat type and is there an internet source to purchase this type? I can obtain .999 round wire, 14 gauge, not too far from where I live, for 35 cents an inch. I need to buy some and would like to know if this is a reasonable price, if not, could I get some indication of what is reasonable for both types and where to possibly mail order it from in larger quantities. My neighbor wants some also and we would order about 5 feet or so. Greetings, H.B. __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doggy-itis
Do these herbs (saw palmetto and pygeum) work for female animals or only males? BROOKS BRADLEY wrote: > > Please excuse this late response. Our Out Mail Box has been > malfunctioning since Monday. > > Dear Yvonne. > In our experimental protocols involving both > dogs and > horses, we found that three substances aided in various renal problems; > saw > palmetto, pygeum, and buchu leaves. Buchu tea is especially soothing to > the > urinary tract and modifies the urine strength by reducing the retention > time---also, appears to have a soothing effect on the lining tissues. > If your animal is passing blood, it might be adviseable to > have a > vet look at him...soon! > Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.. > > O2 Communication wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Any suggestions will be appreciated - > > My hunky male German Shepherd who is 8+ years old seem to have a "sprinkler" > > problem. > > He is dripping sporadically, drops of diluted blood. Doesn't seem to be in > > discomfort and is "sprinkling" about the place okay! He had this before > > and was put on anti-biotics but it has recurred. I'm giving him cs and > > spraying directly as well - in fact when he sees us approach with the spray > > bottle, he rolls over and lifts his leg for his treatment and then opens his > > mouth for an oral dose too! > > > > Thanks! > > Yvonne > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>acid reflux problem
A Prevention book wrote about using lecithin for the acid reflux problem along with ceasing tobacco use. My mom used lecithin in her late 70's for this problem, without quitting tobacco, and got relief within 2 weeks. Problem hasn't returned--she's now 84. BROOKS BRADLEY wrote: > > Dear Jack. > In our researches relating to the conditions > you outline..we obtained very satisfactory responses, from among > our volunteer/experimental population, through the employment of > digestive enzymes-especially bromelain, amylase, protease, and > cellulase. Some of our results were astonishing---even in > long-standing cases. Such enzymes are easily obtained through any > nutritional supplement store. The chewable, predigestive enzymes, > proved to be preferred by our volunteers. > Other researchers have documented that many of the > problems associated with "heartburn" and similar conditions, results > from an insufficiency of digestive acidand not from over-acidity. > Much of our research seems to verify this finding. > I suggest you conduct a technical search addressing > this area. > If you will contact me later---offline---I may have some > additional information. > Sincerely. Brooks Bradley. > p.s. I suggest you try to obtain a copy of Dr. Edward Howell's > book, "Enzyme Nutrition", 1985, Avery Publishing Company. Although > Dr. Howell died in 1988, this book remains the seminal work for the > lay-personin attempting to understand the role of enzymes in > controlling a majority of the body's metabolic functions. It is VERY > interesting, well-written, and furnishes much fascinating knowledge. > guestlodge wrote: > > > has anyone used colloidal silver to combat heartburn, indigestion, > > acid felux, etc. ? jack cropp > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>round conductive pot idea
Question for the chemists/engineers: If the negative pole is a dissimilar metal to the positive silver electrode, aren't we just going to be silver-plating the metal? I was under the impression that silver ions are freed into the water by virtue of the fact that the negative electrode (anode?) is not dissimiliar and thus does not bind with the positive silver ions as, say copper, would. Why wouldn't the iron and nickel in stainless steel do the same thing. Nickel, if I'm not mistaken, is often used as a base plating prior to applying silver or gold plate. Anyone? Sam > If anyone is wanting to try the round conductive container idea I talked about > earlier, a non-conductive circular piece of plastic or glass needs to be > placed on the bottom. Otherwise the wire will have only a short jump to the > bottom of the container, and it will not maintain the symetrical electric > field needed for this to work. > > Marshall > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
CS>Shingles
Does anyone know if cs helps shingles? Anything help it? Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Garlic - sulphur
On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:13:05 +, "M. G. Devour" wrote: >One step at a time, mate! But the idea of a cluster of alt-health >related lists and web sites is a good one, as long as we can maintain >quality across the bunch. Yeah, I've been lurking in misc.health.alternative for awhile. Believe me, a moderated list on this topic is sorely needed. The antiquacks are fearsome, annoying, boring, bullying pests that stifle serious discussion on any of the alterative modalities. Chuck High Voltage Electronics--life's a glitch, and then you fry -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Doggy-itis
I use Saw Palmetto, and I am a female animal. -Original Message- From: Henry Reed To: liat...@flash.net Cc: o2c...@global.co.za ; 'Silver List' Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 5:12 PM Subject: Re: CS>Doggy-itis >Do these herbs (saw palmetto and pygeum) work for female animals or only >males? > >BROOKS BRADLEY wrote: >> >> Please excuse this late response. Our Out Mail Box has been >> malfunctioning since Monday. >> >> Dear Yvonne. >> In our experimental protocols involving both >> dogs and >> horses, we found that three substances aided in various renal problems; >> saw >> palmetto, pygeum, and buchu leaves. Buchu tea is especially soothing to >> the >> urinary tract and modifies the urine strength by reducing the retention >> time---also, appears to have a soothing effect on the lining tissues. >> If your animal is passing blood, it might be adviseable to >> have a >> vet look at him...soon! >> Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.. >> >> O2 Communication wrote: >> >> > Hi >> > >> > Any suggestions will be appreciated - >> > My hunky male German Shepherd who is 8+ years old seem to have a "sprinkler" >> > problem. >> > He is dripping sporadically, drops of diluted blood. Doesn't seem to be in >> > discomfort and is "sprinkling" about the place okay! He had this before >> > and was put on anti-biotics but it has recurred. I'm giving him cs and >> > spraying directly as well - in fact when he sees us approach with the spray >> > bottle, he rolls over and lifts his leg for his treatment and then opens his >> > mouth for an oral dose too! >> > >> > Thanks! >> > Yvonne >> > >> > -- >> > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> > >> > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> > >> > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> > >> > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
RE: CS>Unidentified subject!
wiseass. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Charles King [SMTP:ck...@global2000.net] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 2:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Unidentified subject! On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:36:34 -0600, "James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote: > >I measured the secondary a couple of times. It is center tapped, so the >meter reads 1/2 the voltage. Oh! So, that's why you had to measure it twice? Chuck Credit cards have 3 dimensions: length, width, and debt! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>***Help Guillain-Barre'
Try silver. Make sure it is fine particle, no additives. Can't hurt, might help. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Debbie McDonald [SMTP:lullw...@flash.net] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 2:27 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS>***Help Guillain-Barre' All, Given the overwhelming response to my chicken question, here is another more serious one for you:). Cyber friend diagnosed with the above syndrome. Can ANYONE give me any help on this so I can pass it on to them. Many thanks in advance. Deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Shingles
Probably. Can't hurt. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Earle Bonner [SMTP:ea...@mailcity.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 5:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS>Shingles Does anyone know if cs helps shingles? Anything help it? Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Garlic - sulphur
Most excellent! Yeah, I've been lurking in misc.health.alternative for awhile. Believe me, a moderated list on this topic is sorely needed. The antiquacks are fearsome, annoying, boring, bullying pests that stifle serious discussion on any of the alterative modalities. Chuck High Voltage Electronics-life's a glitch, and then you fry James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Charles King [SMTP:ck...@global2000.net] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 5:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Garlic - sulphur On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:13:05 +, "M. G. Devour" wrote: >One step at a time, mate! But the idea of a cluster of alt-health >related lists and web sites is a good one, as long as we can maintain >quality across the bunch. Yeah, I've been lurking in misc.health.alternative for awhile. Believe me, a moderated list on this topic is sorely needed. The antiquacks are fearsome, annoying, boring, bullying pests that stifle serious discussion on any of the alterative modalities. Chuck High Voltage Electronics--life's a glitch, and then you fry -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>acid reflux problem
Henry Reed wrote: > A Prevention book wrote about using lecithin for the acid reflux problem > along with ceasing tobacco use. My mom used lecithin in her late 70's > for this problem, without quitting tobacco, and got relief within 2 > weeks. Two weeks I would be climbing the walls if it took more than 2 minutes to get relief. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>alt-health list
Where's the alt-health list? Liz
Re: CS>alt-health list
I believe he is speaking of the alt.heath newsgroup. Marshall Liz Pavek wrote: > Where's the alt-health list? Liz
