Re: CSWarts?
Dear Diane, Little red spots here and there which seem to come (maybe) from a pinch to a pimple or some other very surface injury. They frequently are a bright red indicating blood very near the surface in a small pool. Regards, herb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSseasilver
Greetings Listers! The following is a quote from the SeaSilver website ( I personally have no experience with nor opinion on their products ): begin webquote Dr. Gary Smith (a pioneer in cancer research) writes: We get silver and all minerals in the body through the food we eat . by assimilating the plant nutrients the minerals are transferred . through the blood stream to the various organs of our body. Hence, we get silver from plants. If we cannot assimilate silver for some reason or as the tissues age, we develop a silver deficiency and an impaired immune system . Consequently, the depletion of minerals in our soil has left us deficient of silver, one of our most essential trace minerals, causing a drastic increase in immune system disorders in our society in the last decade. Research has taught us that all disease is allowed to manifest itself because of a weakened immune system. In over 20 years of worldwide research on Colloidal Silver, numerous interviews with government agencies, health care practitioners and their patients, no other nutrient, herb or drug (prescription or over-the-counter) is as safe and effective against all known forms of unfriendly virus, bacteria, and fungus. Additionally, while it is generally known that most antibiotics kill only perhaps 6 or 7 different disease organisms, reports have shown that Colloidal Silver has been used successfully in the treatment of over 650 diseases! Furthermore, strains of disease organisms fail to develop in the presence of Colloidal Silver. Colloidal Silver's greatest attribute is its unique ability to function as a superior second immune system in the body! EndQuote Now, I'm a real believer in colloidal silver. However, the use of language and paste-togethers from various web sources paint a doubtful picture. At first glance, one readily believes that all of the above is from this Dr. Gary Smith. How crafty. If I had first heard of colloidal silver by reading this, I wouldn't have touched the stuff. Over twenty years of worldwide research on Colloidal Silver? Numerous interviews with goverment agencies? One of our most essential trace minerals? Making a simple statement as if it were the truth, without citation, reason, data, or personal experience, which goes against the readily believable, obvious, or commonly accepted, and doing so with expressed authority, is propaganda. Research has taught us that all disease is allowed to manifest itself because of a weakened immune system. I wonder how long one must study in order to realize that 1=1. This is a quote from another page, a letter from John Hopkins University, as signed at the end: beginquote The amount of silver required to develope argyria is estimated to be 3.8 grams per day. By comparison your product contains silver in amounts equaling less than 1 milligram of silver (1,000 micrograms = 1 milligram; 1,000 milligrams - 1 gram), which therefore represents an amount approximately 1/500th to 1/1000th of the amount of silver considered to be a risk in the developement of argyria. Most cases of argyria reported in the medical literature over the last 100 years involved chronic intravenous or intramuscular use of the silver preparations, most often involving a silver drug prescribed by physicians which in most cases contained silver nitrate. Other cases of argyria reported in the medical literature involve application of silver preparations used for many months or years in the treatment of the eye or vagina for certain diseases. We could not locate a single case of orally consumed colloidal silver manufactured in the last 25 years causing argyria in our review of the literature [emphasis added]. This is probably due to the low levels of silver contained in such preparations, since only very small amounts of silver are needed for its antiseptic effect. Humans consume approximately 100 micrograms of silver every day in the diet. Additional amounts within this range would be considered safe by all reasonable estimates, especially if the amount needed to develope argyria would be equivalent of 380,000 micrograms (or 3.8 grams) of silver a day. As for the efficacy of silver preparations, we found considerable scientific evidence published over the last 75 years that a number of silver compounds can be effective germicidal (antiseptic) agents against several hundred pathogenic organisms [emphasis added]. However, silver is not an antibiotic as some have claimed because an antibiotic by definition is derived from a living organism. I hope this information is of assistance to SeaSilver, Inc. I have prepared an extensive monograph on this subject for future publication. We expect the monograph to be available in late spring of this year. We hope the information therein will clarify and educate consumers on the safety of various silver preparations. We will advise you when that publication is available. We appreciate the concerns expressed at this time by some of
CSFw: CORRECTION: Dr.Rolf Grossklaus- Chair-Codex Committee on Nutrition Foods for Special Dietary Use: WHY the LACK OF TRANSPARENCY??? GESUNDHEIT IST EIN MENSCHENRECHT! (HEALTH IS A HUMAN RIGHT!)
- Original Message - From: John Hammell To: r.grosskl...@bgvv.de Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: CORRECTION: Dr.Rolf Grossklaus- Chair-Codex Committee on Nutrition Foods for Special Dietary Use: WHY the LACK OF TRANSPARENCY??? GESUNDHEIT IST EIN MENSCHENRECHT! (HEALTH IS A HUMAN RIGHT!) IAHF LIST CODEX DELEGATES: Made an error in previous letter sent. Scrap previous one and replace it with this. I erred previously and used the word inexpensive when of course I meant expensive I've made the change below highlighted in red. Sorry for the inconvenience. Please post this version instead to your websites and forward it to more people. If you are a CODEX delegate and feel annoyed about receiving this, don't bitch to me, you need to ask some fundamental questions about the CODEX process in general since it excludes the voice of consumers who have no voting power in the process and who for the most part are excluded from the decision making process.Moreover, the Vitamin issue must be killed entirely at CODEX per the wishes of consumers as clearly expressed in '97 in Geneva. Rather than remove vitamins and minerals from the agenda entirely, as should have occurred, you are continuing against our will. It is necessary for all Codex delegates to go to http://www.rath.nl and to inform Dr.Rath in writing that you totally oppose the Codex Vitamin Proposal and wish it to be removed from the table, otherwise you will be charged as an accomplice to commit Genocide. X-Sender: m-8...@mailbox.swipnet.se Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 03:00:00 +0200 To: John Hammell From: Boris Dragin Subject: Re: To: Dr.Rolf Grossklaus- Chair-Codex Committee on Nutrition Foods for Special Dietary Use: WHY the LACK OF TRANSPARENCY??? GESUNDHEIT IST EIN MENSCHENRECHT! (HEALTH IS A HUMAN RIGHT!) Hi John, Thanks for this mail, and the others, by the way. Did you happen to misspell the underlined word in the paragraph below (inexpensive)? The prices of drugs have been shooting high up in recent years. They are getting VERY expensive. No inexpensive drugs have been produced recently; not to my knowledge. You may wish to change that. Thanks to Boris in Sweden for his alertness. He is correct. Inexpensive is changed below to expensive Do you DISPUTE our contention that we are SOVEREIGN over our own bodies and that we have a God given unalienable absolute total RIGHT to consume vitamins and minerals as well as herbs and other natural substances in whatever dose and quantity we WANT, WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION, in order to bring about HEALING so that we aren't forced to be slaves to the pharma cartel and their toxic, expensive, ineffective DRUGS? Do you actually BELIEVE that you have the RIGHT to tell us what we can or cannot INGEST? B: Here, he may say that they do not DISPUTE that we, the consumers are SOVEREIGN and that the CODEX does not direct its rules toward consumers (one can never expect them to admit what they are up to). Not directly, it doesn't. But the indirect result of the proposed rules would be a practical prohibition. One may consider adding the following to make your statement still more clear: - remind them that we, who oppose the CODEX understand that they are trying to introduce rules that will result in nothing else but a worldwide prohibition, etc. I am spreading this mail further. Take care, Boris. * Next Codex Mtgs Re Vitamin Issue CCNFSDU in Berlin June 19- June 23, 2000 47th Session of Codex Executive June 28-June 30, 2000 in Geneva What to Do: Contact Your Countries Delegate to the Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Use From: http://www.fao.org/waicent/faoinfo/economic/esn/codex/CONTACT/new_list.HTM (Beth Yetley in USA, Margaret Cheney in Canada) Tell Them To Oppose the Draft Guidelines for Vitamins and Minerals That the Paper Titled A Risk Assessment Model for Establishing Upper Levels for Nutrients Is Unscientific, Biased Against Vitamin Use, Was Paid for by Pharmaceutical Interests, Is Anti Consumer, And a Complete Expose Is Available at http://www.iahf.com International Advocates for Health Freedom is a true grass roots, decentralized movement of vitamin consumers world wide opposed to the pharmaceutically rigged Codex Shell Game, to the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, and to all Statist Elements of Coersion, Wherever they may be found, anywhere in the world. As Free people, we are Sovereign over our own BODIES, With a God Given Unalienable Right to Ingest Any Substance of Our Choosing, (Especially Vitamins and Minerals) Into OUR BODIES As We See Fit. We hereby put all unelected CODEX bureaucrats,UN and WTO Supporters World Wide,Employees of the FDA, HPB, MCA, MCC and similar drug cartel stooges on NOTICE that We Believe Strongly in the American Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms As Well as in the Right to Freedom
CSIntro - Current?
G. Bouche said to Ron: snip It is interesting to hear that you see T. E. at around 6 MA. Many CS producers recommend to use a limiting current of 0.8MA to produce cs. Does that mean that T. E. is not present with that kind of low current ? /snip Like most, you refer to the current level when what you need to look at is the current density! I.E. a very large area (flat) electrode can use many times higher current to get the same current density as a wire type electrode! As an example, 1 ma with a 14 ga. wire (0.064) has roughly the same effect as 16 ma with a 1 inch wide electrode (assuming the same length)! When we say our unit terminates at 5ma. (flat electrode) it is similar to a 4 inch long 14 ga. wire electrode limited to 0.5ma! f...@health2us.com
CS**cilantro
Re this topic, one should not chelate with Cilantro if one still has the mercury amalgam fillings in place in the mouth and one should be very careful about chelating period, much can be learned by subbing to one of the metals lists to learn more about the dangers. I have been gone so forgive me if this has already been covered. Deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Coriander
Ron said: snipI do remember a metallic taste from curry, and someone remarking that it was coriander. That was before I would appreciate something that would pull metals out of the body. /snip In following the interesting coriander string I can't help but wonder where the quoted metallic taste comes from (in curry and salsa so far). Possibly from the processing of the coriander in a metallic pan (will it leach metal from a pan)??? If so, you are taking one step forward and two back! Some one know? I did not do have time research it yet. f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V100 #267
In a message dated 04/02/2000 9:39:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: ??? Borax is a laundry product. It's also a flux for brazing and welding. Kills ants too? KEWL... Also excellent for killing fleas! I used it for one summer and had no further problems the next summer. It was wonderful!! Kiasi -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: possible VERY, VERY cheap ozonator plans?
I was just wondering...A lot of us who grew up in the sixties and seventies had our own black lights used to illuminate artwork, etc. Doubtless many of these are laying about unused or might even be purchased at flea markets for a song. I also remember the rather sickly-sweet, somewhat acrid smell when these were used. (And yes, I'm sure it was from the bulbs.) I wonder... if one simply wrapped some clear neoprene tubing around the length of the UV tube, connected a cheap aquarium air pump at one end and an even cheaper aquarium air-stone at the other, would this make an effective ozonator? If so, this could be of benefit to those on this list that simply can't afford a $200 plus unit. Joe G. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: possible VERY, VERY cheap ozonator plans?
Joe G, It was suggested by a friend that one could use the filament and fixture for a mercury gas type pole light as a cheap ozonator. Any thoughts from the techies? Jules -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: possible VERY, VERY cheap ozonator plans?
joegum wrote: I was just wondering...A lot of us who grew up in the sixties and seventies had our own black lights used to illuminate artwork, etc. Doubtless many of these are laying about unused or might even be purchased at flea markets for a song. I also remember the rather sickly-sweet, somewhat acrid smell when these were used. (And yes, I'm sure it was from the bulbs.) I wonder... if one simply wrapped some clear neoprene tubing around the length of the UV tube, connected a cheap aquarium air pump at one end and an even cheaper aquarium air-stone at the other, would this make an effective ozonator? If so, this could be of benefit to those on this list that simply can't afford a $200 plus unit. Joe G. According to Beck, the amount of ozone you get off of uv ozonators is too dilute to be of much use. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSEd Dames mentions CS on Art Bell
According to Beck, HIV is not difficult to get rid of at all, or at least it is not difficult to reach 0 viral particles per cc of blood, with CS, ozonated water, magnetic pulsing and zapping. Marshall Trem Williams wrote: Well, it certainly seems as though it could work, since HIV is a virus and CS kills virus. And of course if you aren't HIV+ and get pneumonia or some other opportunistic disease then you have pneumonia or another regular disease. If you're HIV+ and get it, then you have AIDS. It's the same with all diseases for anyone that has HIV. If you're positive, then it's AIDS. If you're HIV negative, then you have a known disease. And it seems CS kills many of those known diseases. Why not expect it to be effective with HIV and AIDS? Trem - Original Message - From: Ron Hackley f...@rosenet.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: CSEd Dames mentions CS on Art Bell Friday night (3/31/00) Art had remote viewer Ed Dr. Doom Dames on. Near the 2AM station break Ed was talking about how he'd remote viewed the AIDS virus and had been remote viewing for a cure for AIDS and cancer. I wasn't listening too closely but then Ed said that the cure seemed to have something to do with Colloidal Silver. Art said WHAT, and Ed repeated himself, adding that there are various types of colloidal silver (??) and that he wasn't sure what it meant yet. Then a station break and it wasn't brought up again (I didn't really expect it to be). Ed has a listing for a RA archive of the show (3/31/00) at http://www.psitech.net/media.htm. It says that it isn't available yet though. Since Art is retiring I don't know if an archive will appear at www.artbell.com or not. It isn't much to listen to (the minute or so mention of CS) but it sure did get my attention. Ron -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMaking CS
- Original Message - From: Ron Hackley f...@rosenet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 8:31 PM Subject: Re: CSMaking CS [SNIP] There seem to be many ways to make good (and bad) CS. I think if one can make ANY CS they have an important tool, and then we can work to refine and make it better. I don't think anyone should hold off making CS because they are afraid they won't make it right or something. (I know this doesn't apply to you Gaston, but once I start commenting it's sometimes hard to stop:). Ron Ron, Thanks for your pep talk. I'm going to try it again. --Nina, who can cook but can't (yet) make CS -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSAluminum Does Jump
Keep at it David, nice to see some more serious investigations! They can go a long way toward helping others with an interest in keeping on the correct path, to an earlier project solution. Also, your excellent links reminded me of a magnetic ding remover NASA had developed some years ago, which was obviously not for steel! At the time I was building a 50MJ pulser for a Tokamac for the Univ. of Texas but did not try to make a work coil (wish I had, as I would have had a key advantage, at that time, with my high power electronics experience). We were using large hocky puck SCR's to fire 2 ft. tall ignitrons, as I recall, for 2 second pulses of 10KV at 5,000 amperes. f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSAluminum Does Jump
Well done David, this must become the definitive statement. But - Gee! - I knew I was right! RegardsTerry david saunders wrote: Greetings List members: The recent dicussion of Aluminum's magnetic properties prompted me to do some experimentation during my MPG development project. The results are: Aluminum does jump under the right circumstances. The effect can be observed anywhere electric power is available, and the certain electromagnetic principles are applied. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSseasilver
Well said, Jason! Its disappointing that this seems to be the norm, except for a few. You might like to contrast SeaSilver with http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/ the web site of one of our members (who may or may not wish to make himself known). Pharmaceutical grade CS and a consistent conservatism to go with it. I might mention regarding Argyria that, as John W Hill writes in his book 'Colloidal Silver a Literature Review', There are cases of adults developing argyria after consuming 900mg of silver as a silver protein over a period of one year. This equates to consuming a little under 2 litres of 10ppm CS per week, far more than most people consume. Even the Rfd max of 14ug per kg per day over a lifetime equates to 35mls or more than 1 oz per day of 10ppm CS, for a 150lb adult. Thanks Jason. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Jason R. Eaton eatonja...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2000 13:14 Subject: Re: CSseasilver Greetings Listers! The following is a quote from the SeaSilver website ( I personally have no experience with nor opinion on their products ): -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: possible VERY, VERY cheap ozonator plans?
Good idea Joe, Unfortunately, the amount of Ozone this would produce is too small to be of any use other than improving the atmosphere of the room in which it was placed. Regards Ivan. - Original Message - From: joegum joe...@webtv.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, 3 April 2000 16:42 Subject: CSRe: possible VERY, VERY cheap ozonator plans? I was just wondering...A lot of us who grew up in the sixties and seventies had our own black lights used to illuminate artwork, etc. Doubtless many of these are laying about unused or might even be purchased at flea markets for a song. I also remember the rather sickly-sweet, somewhat acrid smell when these were used. (And yes, I'm sure it was from the bulbs.) I wonder... if one simply wrapped some clear neoprene tubing around the length of the UV tube, connected a cheap aquarium air pump at one end and an even cheaper aquarium air-stone at the other, would this make an effective ozonator? If so, this could be of benefit to those on this list that simply can't afford a $200 plus unit. Joe G. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSBeck's brain tuner
Hi, Does anyone know if Beck gives the instruction on how to make your own brain tuner? And if so, where can it be found? Edith -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSWarts?
Thank you Herb, You know what's so great about this list is that there is always someone to answer questions and I love learning new things. Diane Steve Hessler wrote: Dear Diane, Little red spots here and there which seem to come (maybe) from a pinch to a pimple or some other very surface injury. They frequently are a bright red indicating blood very near the surface in a small pool. Regards, herb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CScilantro chelating
where can I find out more information on this subject please. I did not notice a reference -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: possible VERY, VERY cheap ozonator plans?
On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:30:43 EDT, you wrote: Joe G, It was suggested by a friend that one could use the filament and fixture for a mercury gas type pole light as a cheap ozonator. Any thoughts from the techies? Jules From my save folder.. Go get a mercury vapor yard light. I think you can get a complete fixture, ballast, bulb and all for about 20 bucks at most of the home improvement stores. Break the OUTER envelope of the bulb, but do not damage the smaller, inner bulb. The small bulb is the actual Mercury vapor lamp. Fire 'er up, and you'll have a copious source of UV radiation, guaranteed to blister your eyeballs in a few seconds, (seriously!) or sunburn your skin in just a few minutes. Enclose the lamp in a light-tight box, and arrange for a small fan to blow air through the box. Voila`! Instant Ozone! (Also erases Eproms very well.) -- Ralph W5JGV ICQ 8514638 ralph.hartw...@worldnet.att.net http://home.att.net/~ralph.hartwell Home of the Rife Biomedical Research Web Ring -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSseasilver
Jason R. Eaton wrote: Greetings Listers! The amount of silver required to develop argyria is estimated to be 3.8 grams per day. By comparison your product contains silver in amounts equaling less than 1 milligram of silver (1,000 micrograms = 1 milligram; 1,000 milligrams - 1 gram), which therefore represents an amount approximately 1/500th to 1/1000th of the amount of silver considered to be a risk in the developement of argyria. ... Humans consume approximately 100 micrograms of silver every day in the diet. Additional amounts within this range would be considered safe by all reasonable estimates, especially if the amount needed to develope argyria would be equivalent of 380,000 micrograms (or 3.8 grams) of silver a day. 3.8 grams equals 3,800,000 micrograms, you are off by 10. That would work out to 380 liters a day of 10 ppm CS. Argyria would not be a concern, you would be dead of water poisoning withing 24 hours. I suspect he meant to say 3.8 mg of silver, but am not sure. I will try to reach this guy and confirm the number. As for the efficacy of silver preparations, we found considerable scientific evidence published over the last 75 years that a number of silver compounds can be effective germicidal (antiseptic) agents against several hundred pathogenic organisms [emphasis added]. However, silver is not an antibiotic as some have claimed because an antibiotic by definition is derived from a living organism. Although some definitions of antibiotic do say this, the second definition in my Webster's dictionary says: antibiotic. 2. destroying or inhibiting the growth of bacteria and other microorganisms. and from my pocket Webster's: antibiotic. substance used as a germ killer, a medicine. Thus according to Webster, an antibiotic does NOT have to necessarily come from a living organism. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSHVAC Colloidal Silver
HVAC Colloidal Silver Can anyone suggest a good website that tells how to make it. I have a 12,000 volt neon sign transformer (ACTOWN #FG4002) from the Enhancer I made. Details on the enhancer http://www.royalrife.com/enhancer.html Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSBeck Protocol SOTA
I've seen a few posts lately re: SOTA devices and am considering buying their equipment related to the Beck Protocol also (one piece at a time as I can afford it). Is everyone using the SOTA devices pleased with the products and results they are getting? Is their any specific device that seems more affective than the rest? (or one device that's not worth the money - i.e. the Water Ozonator)? I've recently purchased a device that's a cross between a Zapper and a RF Freq. Generator (called the HFA-4AV). I should be receiving it within the next week or two. http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/ I'll post a review of this device to the group after I've had a chance to use it for a while (if anyone is interested). Jeff __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: possible VERY, VERY cheap ozonator plans?
I cannot emphasize enough the danger to the eyes if a mercury vapor bulb is viewed for only a second or two without the outer uv filter (bulb). I remember reading about the outer bulb breaking on a bulb in a large ampitheater, and the hundreds of people who ended up having to get medical attention for their eyes afterward, even though they were 100 or more feet away from it. Marshall Todd Horton wrote: On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:30:43 EDT, you wrote: Joe G, It was suggested by a friend that one could use the filament and fixture for a mercury gas type pole light as a cheap ozonator. Any thoughts from the techies? Jules From my save folder.. Go get a mercury vapor yard light. I think you can get a complete fixture, ballast, bulb and all for about 20 bucks at most of the home improvement stores. Break the OUTER envelope of the bulb, but do not damage the smaller, inner bulb. The small bulb is the actual Mercury vapor lamp. Fire 'er up, and you'll have a copious source of UV radiation, guaranteed to blister your eyeballs in a few seconds, (seriously!) or sunburn your skin in just a few minutes. Enclose the lamp in a light-tight box, and arrange for a small fan to blow air through the box. Voila`! Instant Ozone! (Also erases Eproms very well.) -- Ralph W5JGV ICQ 8514638 ralph.hartw...@worldnet.att.net http://home.att.net/~ralph.hartwell Home of the Rife Biomedical Research Web Ring -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSBorax, boric acid
Hi Listers, A little more info here. Borax; a crystalline, slightly alkaline borate of sodium, Na2B4O7 Boric acid; Any acid derived from boron trioxide, B2O3. A white crystalline compound, B(OH)3 obtained from its salts. Boric; of or containing boron. Borate; a salt or ester of boric acid, to mix or impregnate with borax or boric acid. Bless youBob Lee -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSAllergies!MSM in Capsules
Go to drugstore: ask for big gelatin caps; stuff them with MSM. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: BB Anthony [SMTP:banth...@cyberlynk.com] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 2:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSAllergies! I don't disagree with the advantages of MSM but I have not been able to understand how any one can take it with water or even apple juice. I can barely get it down with orange juice. I haven't been able to get past a teaspoon. Do you eventually get used to the taste? --BA Subject: Re: CSAllergies! At 08:28 PM 4/1/00 -0800, you wrote: MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM MSM And it tastes so much better if you mix it with a little water and fill the glass with grape juice or apple juice or cider. Harv -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSEd Dames mentions CS on Art Bell
Re HIV, There are now many highly qualified researchers who believe there is not causal effect between the virus and the condition. Koch's principle has never been demonstrated, and in some terminal patients the virus cannot be found. Nonetheless, people with the condition significantly improve with CS. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 11:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSEd Dames mentions CS on Art Bell According to Beck, HIV is not difficult to get rid of at all, or at least it is not difficult to reach 0 viral particles per cc of blood, with CS, ozonated water, magnetic pulsing and zapping. Marshall Trem Williams wrote: Well, it certainly seems as though it could work, since HIV is a virus and CS kills virus. And of course if you aren't HIV+ and get pneumonia or some other opportunistic disease then you have pneumonia or another regular disease. If you're HIV+ and get it, then you have AIDS. It's the same with all diseases for anyone that has HIV. If you're positive, then it's AIDS. If you're HIV negative, then you have a known disease. And it seems CS kills many of those known diseases. Why not expect it to be effective with HIV and AIDS? Trem - Original Message - From: Ron Hackley f...@rosenet.net To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: CSEd Dames mentions CS on Art Bell Friday night (3/31/00) Art had remote viewer Ed Dr. Doom Dames on. Near the 2AM station break Ed was talking about how he'd remote viewed the AIDS virus and had been remote viewing for a cure for AIDS and cancer. I wasn't listening too closely but then Ed said that the cure seemed to have something to do with Colloidal Silver. Art said WHAT, and Ed repeated himself, adding that there are various types of colloidal silver (??) and that he wasn't sure what it meant yet. Then a station break and it wasn't brought up again (I didn't really expect it to be). Ed has a listing for a RA archive of the show (3/31/00) at http://www.psitech.net/media.htm. It says that it isn't available yet though. Since Art is retiring I don't know if an archive will appear at www.artbell.com or not. It isn't much to listen to (the minute or so mention of CS) but it sure did get my attention. Ron -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V100 #268
In a message dated 04/03/2000 7:12:50 PM Romance Daylight Time, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: Also excellent for killing fleas! I used it for one summer and had no further problems the next summer. It was wonderful!! Kiasi How did you use it to kill fleas? I tried mixing Borax with sugar last summer to get rid of ants and it didn't work. That's why I asked if boric acid was different. I'm hoping that it will work better. Actually the ants did suddenly disappear many weeks after I tried the Borax and sugar. Does it take that long? Karen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSseasilver
Seasilver...now there's a scary thought. Why would I, as a person using my own puresilver (nothing but silver and distilled water) want to add ANYTHING to the batch when it has been working so well for me in preventing all kind of illness? Don't you see the beauty in the simplicity of puresilver...can't patent it either. Cheers, Steven Geigle Cedar Mill, Oregon, USA sgei...@home.com - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 4:04 AM Subject: Re: CSseasilver Well said, Jason! Its disappointing that this seems to be the norm, except for a few. You might like to contrast SeaSilver with http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/ the web site of one of our members (who may or may not wish to make himself known). Pharmaceutical grade CS and a consistent conservatism to go with it. I might mention regarding Argyria that, as John W Hill writes in his book 'Colloidal Silver a Literature Review', There are cases of adults developing argyria after consuming 900mg of silver as a silver protein over a period of one year. This equates to consuming a little under 2 litres of 10ppm CS per week, far more than most people consume. Even the Rfd max of 14ug per kg per day over a lifetime equates to 35mls or more than 1 oz per day of 10ppm CS, for a 150lb adult. Thanks Jason. Ivan. - Original Message - From: Jason R. Eaton eatonja...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2000 13:14 Subject: Re: CSseasilver Greetings Listers! The following is a quote from the SeaSilver website ( I personally have no experience with nor opinion on their products ): -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver
Conventionally the electrodes are put a fraction of an inch above the water to give a crude form of regulation when the voltage pulls the water up to the electrodes. Put voltage and current meters on the curcuit. Our patent pending technique uses glass tubes over the silver electrodes so that only 1/8 inch or so are exposed, and then submerged so that the silver is produced near the bottom instead of the top, convection then stirs the colloid from the heat prevent excessive heat buildup near the electrod. Run at 10,000 volts. You will likely not get a lot of current since a 12,000 volt neon sign transformer is rated to actually operate at about 8,000 volts. For the best efficiency you should use a 15,000 volt transformer, since they are rated to be run at right at 10,000 volts. You will likely find that the water is getting too warn, and you will need some method of cooling with ice to maintain an acceptable temperature. Marshall Daniel Holly wrote: HVAC Colloidal Silver Can anyone suggest a good website that tells how to make it. I have a 12,000 volt neon sign transformer (ACTOWN #FG4002) from the Enhancer I made. Details on the enhancer http://www.royalrife.com/enhancer.html Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSquestion about boric acid for plants
Nina Silver, Ph.D. wrote: - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 4:04 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion about boric acid for plants Borax is sodium tetraborate decahydrate or hydrated sodium borate, and boric acid is HBO2 or H3BO2. Boric acid can be produced by the action of acids on borax. They are both toxic to ants, but boric acid is more toxic than borax. Marshall Marshall, Thanks for the clarification. The list I got off the web lists all the borates together. Can you: 1) give the chemical composition for Borax (in the same form as you did with boric acid), and 2) give a little more detail about what makes them different from each other? Many thanks. Nina I can find no other name for boric acid. I am not surprised. To call it hydrogen boron dioxide or trihydrogen boron dioxide would be like calling sulfuric acid - hydrogen sulfate. Borax is actually a weak base, not an acid as boric acid is. http://www.geology.wisc.edu/~jill/borax.html http://www.infoventures.com/e-hlth/pestcide/borax.html: Common name: borax Chemical name: sodium tetraborate decahydrate http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/carbonat/borax/borax.htm BORAX Chemistry: Na2B4O7 -10H2O, Hydrated sodium borate. Information on boric acid: http://encarta.msn.com/index/conciseindex/3A/03A1C000.htm and borax http://encarta.msn.com/find/Concise.asp?z=1pg=2ti=04C42000 Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS Makers
Have two questions... 1. Has anyone used the Silvergen machine...do you like it...does it make good quality CS in your opinion...also have you used the tester that is offered..you can email me privately if you wish at n...@ricc.net 2. Am on a meditation list and they are talking about CSthey know very little about it...and have been talking about buying some CS from someone and the CS is pink.some is very very gold..I recall reading on the list about the colors of CSand what was not good CS and what the colors meantbut I cannot find it.can anyone send me a message regarding this...so that I may post it to the meditation listI wish to let them know about what is good CS, but do not want to give a vague statement. I guess there is a lot of stuff out there for sale that is not good.I make my own with a simply machine...but do not feel qualified to give them advice Thank you, Kathy Neff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS[Fwd: CSquestion about boric acid for plants]
It seems that this message did not make it, so I am forwarding it again. ---BeginMessage--- Nina Silver, Ph.D. wrote: - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 4:04 PM Subject: Re: CSquestion about boric acid for plants Borax is sodium tetraborate decahydrate or hydrated sodium borate, and boric acid is HBO2 or H3BO2. Boric acid can be produced by the action of acids on borax. They are both toxic to ants, but boric acid is more toxic than borax. Marshall Marshall, Thanks for the clarification. The list I got off the web lists all the borates together. Can you: 1) give the chemical composition for Borax (in the same form as you did with boric acid), and 2) give a little more detail about what makes them different from each other? Many thanks. Nina I can find no other name for boric acid. I am not surprised. To call it hydrogen boron dioxide or trihydrogen boron dioxide would be like calling sulfuric acid - hydrogen sulfate. Borax is actually a weak base, not an acid as boric acid is. http://www.geology.wisc.edu/~jill/borax.html http://www.infoventures.com/e-hlth/pestcide/borax.html: Common name: borax Chemical name: sodium tetraborate decahydrate http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/carbonat/borax/borax.htm BORAX Chemistry: Na2B4O7 -10H2O, Hydrated sodium borate. Information on boric acid: http://encarta.msn.com/index/conciseindex/3A/03A1C000.htm and borax http://encarta.msn.com/find/Concise.asp?z=1pg=2ti=04C42000 Marshall ---End Message---
Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver
I appreciate the advice very much. Dan - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver Conventionally the electrodes are put a fraction of an inch above the water to give a crude form of regulation when the voltage pulls the water up to the electrodes. Put voltage and current meters on the curcuit. Our patent pending technique uses glass tubes over the silver electrodes so that only 1/8 inch or so are exposed, and then submerged so that the silver is produced near the bottom instead of the top, convection then stirs the colloid from the heat prevent excessive heat buildup near the electrod. Run at 10,000 volts. You will likely not get a lot of current since a 12,000 volt neon sign transformer is rated to actually operate at about 8,000 volts. For the best efficiency you should use a 15,000 volt transformer, since they are rated to be run at right at 10,000 volts. You will likely find that the water is getting too warn, and you will need some method of cooling with ice to maintain an acceptable temperature. Marshall Daniel Holly wrote: HVAC Colloidal Silver Can anyone suggest a good website that tells how to make it. I have a 12,000 volt neon sign transformer (ACTOWN #FG4002) from the Enhancer I made. Details on the enhancer http://www.royalrife.com/enhancer.html Dan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: possible VERY, VERY cheap ozonator plans?
Sorry but I have no expertise in this, it would be a pure guess. All I know is that Beck has stated to always use the high voltage ozone generators because the uv ones simply do not put out enought uv for useful generation of ozonated water. The use of a 100 watt mercury vapor lamp may be different, but one must make sure to shield the uv rays from the living. The ones you buy use the flourscent uv lamps, which likely produce much lower levels of ozone. Marshall Alvin Rose wrote: Marshall what amount of ozone level do you think this unit would put out. I have one ready to experiment with but didn.t realize the uv output would be high. A.rose At 01:10 PM 4/3/00 -0400, you wrote: I cannot emphasize enough the danger to the eyes if a mercury vapor bulb is viewed for only a second or two without the outer uv filter (bulb). I remember reading about the outer bulb breaking on a bulb in a large ampitheater, and the hundreds of people who ended up having to get medical attention for their eyes afterward, even though they were 100 or more feet away from it. Marshall Todd Horton wrote: On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:30:43 EDT, you wrote: Joe G, It was suggested by a friend that one could use the filament and fixture for a mercury gas type pole light as a cheap ozonator. Any thoughts from the techies? Jules From my save folder.. Go get a mercury vapor yard light. I think you can get a complete fixture, ballast, bulb and all for about 20 bucks at most of the home improvement stores. Break the OUTER envelope of the bulb, but do not damage the smaller, inner bulb. The small bulb is the actual Mercury vapor lamp. Fire 'er up, and you'll have a copious source of UV radiation, guaranteed to blister your eyeballs in a few seconds, (seriously!) or sunburn your skin in just a few minutes. Enclose the lamp in a light-tight box, and arrange for a small fan to blow air through the box. Voila`! Instant Ozone! (Also erases Eproms very well.) -- Ralph W5JGV ICQ 8514638 ralph.hartw...@worldnet.att.net http://home.att.net/~ralph.hartwell Home of the Rife Biomedical Research Web Ring -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: possible VERY, VERY cheap ozonator plans?
Marshall what amount of ozone level do you think this unit would put out. I have one ready to experiment with but didn.t realize the uv output would be high. A.rose At 01:10 PM 4/3/00 -0400, you wrote: I cannot emphasize enough the danger to the eyes if a mercury vapor bulb is viewed for only a second or two without the outer uv filter (bulb). I remember reading about the outer bulb breaking on a bulb in a large ampitheater, and the hundreds of people who ended up having to get medical attention for their eyes afterward, even though they were 100 or more feet away from it. Marshall Todd Horton wrote: On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:30:43 EDT, you wrote: Joe G, It was suggested by a friend that one could use the filament and fixture for a mercury gas type pole light as a cheap ozonator. Any thoughts from the techies? Jules From my save folder.. Go get a mercury vapor yard light. I think you can get a complete fixture, ballast, bulb and all for about 20 bucks at most of the home improvement stores. Break the OUTER envelope of the bulb, but do not damage the smaller, inner bulb. The small bulb is the actual Mercury vapor lamp. Fire 'er up, and you'll have a copious source of UV radiation, guaranteed to blister your eyeballs in a few seconds, (seriously!) or sunburn your skin in just a few minutes. Enclose the lamp in a light-tight box, and arrange for a small fan to blow air through the box. Voila`! Instant Ozone! (Also erases Eproms very well.) -- Ralph W5JGV ICQ 8514638 ralph.hartw...@worldnet.att.net http://home.att.net/~ralph.hartwell Home of the Rife Biomedical Research Web Ring -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: possible VERY, VERY cheap ozonator plans?
A while back I tried making up an ozonator doing this, but instead of breaking the glass of the outer bulb, I drilled a hole on the sides near both ends of the outer bulb. Figured I would use an aquarium pump to push air through. Results were a lot of ozone (smell) as the lamp was firing up, then seems like hardly any after that. Very disappointing. This wasn't a new lamp so that might have had something to do with it? Note that the outer glass gets VERY hot. As for the warnings about avoiding eye contact with UV, you will be very very miserable if you sunburn your eyes with UV. Been there, done that, and not again. Ron KC7ZWA Alvin Rose wrote: Marshall what amount of ozone level do you think this unit would put out. I have one ready to experiment with but didn.t realize the uv output would be high. A.rose At 01:10 PM 4/3/00 -0400, you wrote: I cannot emphasize enough the danger to the eyes if a mercury vapor bulb is viewed for only a second or two without the outer uv filter (bulb). I remember reading about the outer bulb breaking on a bulb in a large ampitheater, and the hundreds of people who ended up having to get medical attention for their eyes afterward, even though they were 100 or more feet away from it. Marshall Todd Horton wrote: On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:30:43 EDT, you wrote: Joe G, It was suggested by a friend that one could use the filament and fixture for a mercury gas type pole light as a cheap ozonator. Any thoughts from the techies? Jules From my save folder.. Go get a mercury vapor yard light. I think you can get a complete fixture, ballast, bulb and all for about 20 bucks at most of the home improvement stores. Break the OUTER envelope of the bulb, but do not damage the smaller, inner bulb. The small bulb is the actual Mercury vapor lamp. Fire 'er up, and you'll have a copious source of UV radiation, guaranteed to blister your eyeballs in a few seconds, (seriously!) or sunburn your skin in just a few minutes. Enclose the lamp in a light-tight box, and arrange for a small fan to blow air through the box. Voila`! Instant Ozone! (Also erases Eproms very well.) -- Ralph W5JGV ICQ 8514638 ralph.hartw...@worldnet.att.net http://home.att.net/~ralph.hartwell Home of the Rife Biomedical Research Web Ring -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSOptimizing voltage on simple homemade generator
D, I also use the 3 nine volt batteriesI was wondering what ppm you are making your collodial silver??? I have read alot on the internet, and having been making mine 3-5 ppmAlso, do you heat the water Dr. Beck has a film out where he shows a travel cs maker with one 9volt batteryso we did make a set this way, but it seemed to take too much time...so back to the 3 nine voltdo not know anything about the 30 volt...but I would think that the wires would get blacker quickerhope to hear back from you...Becky in Kentucky -Original Message- From: Toscano tosca...@ix.netcom.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: CSOptimizing voltage on simple homemade generator First of all I'd like to tip my hat as someone who rarely posts but loves to read all the messages here. Thanks to all for insightful and intelligent info, it is much appreciated even by those of us who don't frequently make ourselves known. I have been making CS for a few years now using a simple homemade apparatus I learned about here way back when I started. It is three 9V alkaline batteries wired in series and terminating in a positive and negative alligator clip on each end. However I remember reading somewhere that the ideal voltage to use for such a simple setup would be 30V (mine being 27V with three 9V batteries)...first of all is this correct? Anyhow, I went to Rat Shack and got a two-AAA battery holder and wired it in series to make a total of 30V. I have made three batches of CS in this manner and find the reaction starts sooner than it did with 27V but other than that nothing seems different. Is it worth my while to keep using the 30V setup? If not, what is the ideal voltage I could utilize here? Thanks! D. Toscano
Re: CSOptimizing voltage on simple homemade generator
Hello D, Any voltage is OK. What really makes the difference is current flow. Higher voltages start the process quicker. Lower voltage takes longer to get some silver into the water so the current can flow. What you need to do is get an inexpensive milliameter from the Shack and insert it in series with your batteries. Whenever the current starts to rise because of more silver in the water, just remove a 9 volt battery from the circuit to keep the current within limits. Admittedly that is a simplistic fix. You can get as sophisticated as you like. You can insert a variable potentiometer in series with one electrode or you can get really technical and insert a current regulator to hold it constant. As an example, we start our voltage at 40 volts and reduce it automatically to maintain 1 milliampere. The voltage may end up as low as 5 or 6 volts at the end of the process, depending on the PPM you want. Depends on how much effort you want to put into it. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 8:35 PM Subject: CSOptimizing voltage on simple homemade generator First of all I'd like to tip my hat as someone who rarely posts but loves to read all the messages here. Thanks to all for insightful and intelligent info, it is much appreciated even by those of us who don't frequently make ourselves known. I have been making CS for a few years now using a simple homemade apparatus I learned about here way back when I started. It is three 9V alkaline batteries wired in series and terminating in a positive and negative alligator clip on each end. However I remember reading somewhere that the ideal voltage to use for such a simple setup would be 30V (mine being 27V with three 9V batteries)...first of all is this correct? Anyhow, I went to Rat Shack and got a two-AAA battery holder and wired it in series to make a total of 30V. I have made three batches of CS in this manner and find the reaction starts sooner than it did with 27V but other than that nothing seems different. Is it worth my while to keep using the 30V setup? If not, what is the ideal voltage I could utilize here? Thanks! D. Toscano
CSDW myth
Hi Ya'all; Its just that time again. We Know that the HVAC boys ned the best DW available to make the system work. However that does not necessarily apply to the LVDC. Using a DW that has a conductivity of 3 uS as measure by a one cm. probe, I can make 11 ppm CS that is crystal clear and with a T.E. that can barely be seen in a totally dark room in 60 minutes of brew time, and it has NO sparkles. Using a Demineralized Water with a starting conductivity = 41 uS (wow) I can make 33 ppm CS that is crystal clear with a medium T.E. with no sparkles in 20 minutes. Both of these two have almost no taste. HOW 27 vdc; 7/16 spacing using #14 wire; 3 1/2 wet length; 14 oz. of water; and constant stirring. There in only .8v dc on the Radio Shack 1 1/2v motor If you have looked a web-site natural-immunogenics.com you will be surprised at what is being sold !!! If you want plots then request a download of Wplot .exe and my plots. They are worth many words. Also no wiping, no treeing, and no sludge. That's hard to beat. Ole Bob
Re: CSWarts?
Di! Surprised to see you here! I just now stumbled across this list and subscribed. Good to read you. :-) KD'C aka k...@czen At 09:51 AM 4/3/00 -0500, you wrote: Thank you Herb, You know what's so great about this list is that there is always someone to answer questions and I love learning new things. Diane Paying $5 to $20 an ounce for colloidal silver? Make your own, often higher quality, colloidal silver at home for 5 cents a gallon with the Coyote Zenterprizes Current controlled Colloidal Silver Generator. Specs based on Bob Becks research. http://www.silverpuppy.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSHVAC Colloidal Silver
Dan: Playing around with high voltage is VERY dangerous. If you don't have specific experience with high voltage I would stay away from making CS that way. Roger Altman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: possible VERY, VERY cheap ozonator plans?
Oh well... Thank you to EVERYONE for setting me straight on this. Joe G. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSOptimizing voltage on simple homemade generator
First of all I'd like to tip my hat as someone who rarely posts but loves to read all the messages here. Thanks to all for insightful and intelligent info, it is much appreciated even by those of us who don't frequently make ourselves known. I have been making CS for a few years now using a simple homemade apparatus I learned about here way back when I started. It is three 9V alkaline batteries wired in series and terminating in a positive and negative alligator clip on each end. However I remember reading somewhere that the ideal voltage to use for such a simple setup would be 30V (mine being 27V with three 9V batteries)...first of all is this correct? Anyhow, I went to Rat Shack and got a two-AAA battery holder and wired it in series to make a total of 30V. I have made three batches of CS in this manner and find the reaction starts sooner than it did with 27V but other than that nothing seems different. Is it worth my while to keep using the 30V setup? If not, what is the ideal voltage I could utilize here? Thanks! D. Toscano
