CSDistilling CS
I distilled some colloidal silver, 22ppm lvdc, and was surprised to find a few ppm remained in the distillate as measured by ISE. I used lab glassware, in a rough and ready experiment, and didn't calibrate the ISE. I haven't time to do it properly (working 14 hr days during holidays), maybe someone else could have a go. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSProperties of Colloids
Thanks George, Perhaps timely to note that colloidal silver, especially clear type, approaches the limit of what is defined a 'classic colloid' and do not share many of the properties of the generally much larger particles. In some ways CS and other ultra-small colloids behave more like solutions,eg show no Tyndall effect, highly solvated and so on. Regards Ivan. - Original Message - From: George Martin gmar...@dragonbyte.net To: sIlver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 4 July 2000 16:05 Subject: CSProperties of Colloids source: The Columbia Encyclopedia: Sixth Edition. 2000. http://www.bartelby.com/65/co/colloid.html Properties of Colloids -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBruce Marx Web Site C/S
Roger, Surely this investigation is flawed, or at least back to front. Would it not have been of greater interest to find the most effective silver colloid, and then determine particle size and method of production, rather than eliminate subjects (15) according to particle size, and then test the remaining (4) for efficacy? The results may well be the same...but what is the reason for making colloidal silver in the first place. Regards Ivan. - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 4 July 2000 04:08 Subject: Re: CSBruce Marx Web Site C/S Marshall: Not only the FDA, but Professor Gibbs of the University of Delaware in his recently published booklet, Silver Colloids: Do They Work?, screened 15 commercial CS products using two independent microscopic techniques to determine particle size distribution. I believe the only type of CS that made it through both types of microscopic screening requirements was that produced by HVAC. From there he went on to test for effectiveness in killing a moderately resistant bacteria. Only one of the remaining 4 (I believe) HVAC products was given a 4 star rating (5 star is the highest possible rating). The remainder got 3 star or lower. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDistilling CS
In a message dated 7/4/00 5:38:55 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: I distilled some colloidal silver, 22ppm lvdc, and was surprised to find a few ppm remained in the distillate as measured by ISE. I used lab glassware, in a rough and ready experiment, and didn't calibrate the ISE. I haven't time to do it properly (working 14 hr days during holidays), maybe someone else could have a go. Ivan. Ivan: Why not repeat the experiment two additional times. Use 22 PPM silver from silver nitrate for the first test, and 22 PPM silver from silver chloride for the second test. I do a lot of charging measurements with lead acid batteries where sulfuric acid 'misting' is a known transport phenomenon. Hard to avoid really. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBruce Marx Web Site C/S
In a message dated 7/4/00 6:32:09 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: Subj: Re: CSBruce Marx Web Site C/S Date: 7/4/00 6:32:09 AM EST From: i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Roger, Surely this investigation is flawed, or at least back to front. Would it not have been of greater interest to find the most effective silver colloid, and then determine particle size and method of production, rather than eliminate subjects (15) according to particle size, and then test the remaining (4) for efficacy? The results may well be the same...but what is the reason for making colloidal silver in the first place. Regards Ivan. Ivan: The same thought crossed my mind, so I posed my questions to him in such a manner as not to (I hope) ruffle his feathers. In any case, I think we have to get more information about his preliminary experiments first. But I must tell you that I'm delighted to see the beginnings of solid investigative work in this area. Let's all send him good vibes, and any other support we can think of. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCandida
My husband has candida and has been advised by doctor to avoid all wheat containing foods. When he does this he is greatly relieved of extremely painful GERDS, which has cost him 3-4 years of not being able to sleep in prone position.. I cannot get him to even try CS for the candida problem, tho I feel sure I have read that it has cured candida. He maintains that since CS kills bacteria how will it know not to kill friendly bacteria, which is the origin of candida in the first place. He has said that if he could see a book or some documentation explaining that CS works for candida and why, he would gladly consider taking it. If any of you folks have any info on this matter I would be grateful to hear it, even testimonials that pinpoint candida to CS use. I hate to see him go the rest of his life having to eliminate wheat from diet, and it sure makes it a problem working around this in his meal preparations. Thanks for anything help , Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCandida
It's really a shame that he needs proof. I related an experience a while back about how colloidal silver healed a 10 month old baby of pneumonia. Since then, I have seen the same results with other cases of pneumonia. I had a friend who's son my wife and I watched on a daily basis for over 12 years. His wife is an RN and worked for Cigna all the time that we were watching their son. We told them time and time again about colloidal silver, but they refused to take a serious look at it. A month ago, the husband came down with pneumonia and we did everything but tie him up to try and make him take some colloidal silver. His wife refused to ask the doctors she worked with about it, and wanted nothing to do with the snake oil. Well, he got so bad after a week that he was admitted to the hospital, and he never made it out. The funeral was nice I heard, and now upon reflection, I'm sorry I was so angry at him and his wife for not trying colloidal silver, that I didn't go. I know that if he had tried colloidal silver, he would have never have had to go to the hospital, but like so many others, he refused to try colloidal silver because there were no real medical studies to support it. Since then, I have a very bad attitude with people that refuse to try something that has the potential to heal, because they need more proof. If they refuse to try something that could help, won't hurt, can cure and has cured, then let them live in pain and sorrow, and possibly die from their ignorance. I know, pretty strong words, but I've been there, seen it, done it. We know it won't hurt, doesn't have side effects and CAN and HAS healed. He still doesn't want to try it? Well, people have been living in pain, and dieing, because stupid choices for a long time, and will continue to do so for a long time to come. Sorry for sounding so jaded fellow and fellowette listers, but coming to terms with all of this is not an easy thing for me. I guess I'm still in the anger stage. Yours in health, James Allison - Allisons Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - - Original Message - From: Black dbl...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 7:45 AM Subject: CSCandida My husband has candida and has been advised by doctor to avoid all wheat containing foods. When he does this he is greatly relieved of extremely painful GERDS, which has cost him 3-4 years of not being able to sleep in prone position.. I cannot get him to even try CS for the candida problem, tho I feel sure I have read that it has cured candida. He maintains that since CS kills bacteria how will it know not to kill friendly bacteria, which is the origin of candida in the first place. He has said that if he could see a book or some documentation explaining that CS works for candida and why, he would gladly consider taking it. If any of you folks have any info on this matter I would be grateful to hear it, even testimonials that pinpoint candida to CS use. I hate to see him go the rest of his life having to eliminate wheat from diet, and it sure makes it a problem working around this in his meal preparations. Thanks for anything help , Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS***CSCandida
Black wrote: My husband has candida and has been advised by doctor to avoid all wheat containing foods. When he does this he is greatly relieved of extremely painful GERDS, which has cost him 3-4 years of not being able to sleep in prone position.. I cannot get him to even try CS for the candida problem, tho I feel sure I have read that it has cured candida. He maintains that since CS kills bacteria how will it know not to kill friendly bacteria, which is the origin of candida in the first place. He has said that if he could see a book or some documentation explaining that CS works for candida and why, he would gladly consider taking it. If any of you folks have any info on this matter I would be grateful to hear it, even testimonials that pinpoint candida to CS use. I hate to see him go the rest of his life having to eliminate wheat from diet, and it sure makes it a problem working around this in his meal preparations. Thanks for anything help , Nancy I am precisely in the position that your husband fears. Greater Smokies tests showed ZERO beneficial bacteria and pathogenic amounts of two very bad guys. I did not however have this test PRIOR to use of CS so I am not drawing any conclusions, other than caution. I used CS extensively and in largeish amounts for some long time. I am definately not cured of Candida. I do think it cleans it out of your blood nicely and probably the muscles?? Have you studied the mercury/heavy metal connection in some? I have not followed this list heavily lately. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCandida
Mr. Allison, You did all you could. Truth is, we just cannot make people listen. It's very, very disappointing when something like this happens, but there was just no more you could do. So take comfort, you did all you could do. And others will listen. James Allison wrote: It's really a shame that he needs proof. I related an experience a while back about how colloidal silver healed a 10 month old baby of pneumonia. Since then, I have seen the same results with other cases of pneumonia. I had a friend who's son my wife and I watched on a daily basis for over 12 years. His wife is an RN and worked for Cigna all the time that we were watching their son. We told them time and time again about colloidal silver, but they refused to take a serious look at it. A month ago, the husband came down with pneumonia and we did everything but tie him up to try and make him take some colloidal silver. His wife refused to ask the doctors she worked with about it, and wanted nothing to do with the snake oil. Well, he got so bad after a week that he was admitted to the hospital, and he never made it out. The funeral was nice I heard, and now upon reflection, I'm sorry I was so angry at him and his wife for not trying colloidal silver, that I didn't go. I know that if he had tried colloidal silver, he would have never have had to go to the hospital, but like so many others, he refused to try colloidal silver because there were no real medical studies to support it. Since then, I have a very bad attitude with people that refuse to try something that has the potential to heal, because they need more proof. If they refuse to try something that could help, won't hurt, can cure and has cured, then let them live in pain and sorrow, and possibly die from their ignorance. I know, pretty strong words, but I've been there, seen it, done it. We know it won't hurt, doesn't have side effects and CAN and HAS healed. He still doesn't want to try it? Well, people have been living in pain, and dieing, because stupid choices for a long time, and will continue to do so for a long time to come. Sorry for sounding so jaded fellow and fellowette listers, but coming to terms with all of this is not an easy thing for me. I guess I'm still in the anger stage. Yours in health, James Allison - Allisons Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - - Original Message - From: Black dbl...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 7:45 AM Subject: CSCandida My husband has candida and has been advised by doctor to avoid all wheat containing foods. When he does this he is greatly relieved of extremely painful GERDS, which has cost him 3-4 years of not being able to sleep in prone position.. I cannot get him to even try CS for the candida problem, tho I feel sure I have read that it has cured candida. He maintains that since CS kills bacteria how will it know not to kill friendly bacteria, which is the origin of candida in the first place. He has said that if he could see a book or some documentation explaining that CS works for candida and why, he would gladly consider taking it. If any of you folks have any info on this matter I would be grateful to hear it, even testimonials that pinpoint candida to CS use. I hate to see him go the rest of his life having to eliminate wheat from diet, and it sure makes it a problem working around this in his meal preparations. Thanks for anything help , Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCandida
My husband has candida and has been advised by doctor to avoid all wheat containing foods. When he does this he is greatly relieved of extremely painful GERDS, which has cost him 3-4 years of not being able to sleep in prone position.. I cannot get him to even try CS for the candida problem, tho I feel sure I have read that it has cured candida. He maintains that since CS kills bacteria how will it know not to kill friendly bacteria, which is the origin of candida in the first place. He has said that if he could see a book or some documentation explaining that CS works for candida and why, he would gladly consider taking it. If any of you folks have any info on this matter I would be grateful to hear it, even testimonials that pinpoint candida to CS use. I hate to see him go the rest of his life having to eliminate wheat from diet, and it sure makes it a problem working around this in his meal preparations. Thanks for anything help , Nancy Dear Nancy, Candida is a yeast. Friendly bacteria don`t really have anything to do with Candida. Yeast usually takes over when all the bugs, good and bad, are killed off by antibiotics. Now that they are gone, the Candida has the whole place for itself! Itchy, icky... CS doen`t usually get the good bacteria, as it is absorbed before it gets to the gut. I`ve been taking CS for over four years now, no Candida, no problems with bacteria, good or bad. Wheat is a highly allergenic food for some. CS tends to strengthen the immune system, making it work better, thus easing the allergies. I used to be asthmatic; no more! I`ll still get itchy eyes, or sneezes, so out comes the CS bottle, and I`m better in minutes. Tell him to give it a try, it won`t hurt, and will probably help him a lot! Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMaking CS
Listers, When producing CS, I haven't figured out why to use batteries, apart from portability. Why not use one or two 12-volt adapters? They never run down like batteries, and they don't get weaker as time goes by. Where I live, I can buy a new 12-volt adapter for $10. It costs me that much or more for 3 quality 9-volt batteries. (The cheap ones don't last long at all.) I see them repeatedly at yard sales and Goodwill-type stores very economically priced. Before I switched to HVDC I used sets of 2 or 3 adapters (12 - 36 volts) on a daily basis. The quality of the CS batches frequently varied (determined by color and turbidity), but the efficacy of the CS seemed constant. Regarding Professor Gibbs: Did he test HVDC? I am unaware of anyone else besides myself who is using HVDC to produce CS on a commercial quantity basis. I would very much like to see the results of testing on HVDC. How does it compare to HVAC? LVDC? Terry Wayne __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCandida
James, We cannot live someones life for them. Also, we are each in charge of our own lives totally. That includes dieing, when and how. It's really a private decision. It's tough. It sometimes seems unfair. But, that's life. Chuck One day I shall burst my bud of calm and blossom forth into hysteria ! On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:18:43 -0700, James Allison apothec...@home.com wrote: Well, people have been living in pain, and dieing, because stupid choices for a long time, and will continue to do so for a long time to come. Sorry for sounding so jaded fellow and fellowette listers, but coming to terms with all of this is not an easy thing for me. I guess I'm still in the anger stage. Yours in health, James Allison -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Doubters
James, So sad about your friend. I've noticed several phenomena when telling people about CS. Some trust nobody but the doctor even though he's not helping them. Some don't like anybody telling them anything--they're not skeptics, they're know-it-alls. And some are afraid you're warming up to a sales pitch. Few believe they can make something for 20 cents a quart that can keep them well. People sure are strange. It's risky to look gullible and seek truth, but it's definitely worth the risk. mama2bear In a message dated 07/04/2000 10:32:30 Central Daylight Time, apothec...@home.com writes: It's really a shame that he needs proof. I related an experience a while back about how colloidal silver healed a 10 month old baby of pneumonia. Since then, I have seen the same results with other cases of pneumonia. I had a friend who's son my wife and I watched on a daily basis for over 12 years. His wife is an RN and worked for Cigna all the time that we were watching their son. We told them time and time again about colloidal silver, but they refused to take a serious look at it. A month ago, the husband came down with pneumonia and we did everything but tie him up to try and make him take some colloidal silver. His wife refused to ask the doctors she worked with about it, and wanted nothing to do with the snake oil. Well, he got so bad after a week that he was admitted to the hospital, and he never made it out. The funeral was nice I heard, and now upon reflection, I'm sorry I was so angry at him and his wife for not trying colloidal silver, that I didn't go. I know that if he had tried colloidal silver, he would have never have had to go to the hospital, but like so many others, he refused to try colloidal silver because there were no real medical studies to support it. Since then, I have a very bad attitude with people that refuse to try something that has the potential to heal, because they need more proof. If they refuse to try something that could help, won't hurt, can cure and has cured, then let them live in pain and sorrow, and possibly die from their ignorance. I know, pretty strong words, but I've been there, seen it, done it. We know it won't hurt, doesn't have side effects and CAN and HAS healed. He still doesn't want to try it? Well, people have been living in pain, and dieing, because stupid choices for a long time, and will continue to do so for a long time to come. Sorry for sounding so jaded fellow and fellowette listers, but coming to terms with all of this is not an easy thing for me. I guess I'm still in the anger stage. Yours in health, James Allison -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBruce Marx Web Site C/S
Ted: I spent a great deal of time and money testing CS retention and elimination (using myself as a guinea pig) using CS generated from a DC SOURCE so I'm convinced that it works! What I don't like about it is that I have yet to produce a DC CS product that is stable for more than six weeks. I know it can be done; I just haven't been able to do it myself. I wonder how many silver listers have run into this same problem? And it IS a problem if the strength of your CS weakens over time, and you're not aware of it, how can you be sure that it is still potent enough to destroy those little critters just when you may need it the most? Roger Does it really make a difference? Date it and remake it! Earle Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! Click here: http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCoffee and CS reaction, ph of CS process
Hi List, I found an article about the possibility of using coffee as a photographic (re: silver) developer at: http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/text-coffee.htm Without the pH maintenance, photographic development would be difficult to control since both acid and/or base are being generated with every silver ion to silver atom conversion within the image Which I should add was a reference given in an interesting must read CS research paper by John Marshall Dudley (any relation Marshall?) at: http://www.silver-lightning.com/research2.html The merits (or not) of drinking coffee aside, could components of coffee (mixed in the stomach or bloodstream) contribute to making CS less effective or more gray/bluing? Drinking coffee out of silver goblets doesn't seem to be a good idea, but what about stirring with a silver spoon; could that release photosensitive silver into the coffee? I know I'm stretching things a little here but just trying to draw the question out a bit. What do they mean that both acid and/or base are being generated with every silver ion to silver atom conversion during development? Wouldn't the reverse also be true, going from atom to ion? Are both base and acid being created as we make CS, even LVDC, but then quickly neutralizing each other? Or not so quickly? A case for stirring? Also, I thought I'd read here that CS in ion form isn't photoreactive, yet this talks of the developing process being a conversion from ion to atom. Can anyone explain what I'm missing? Many years of coffee (more recently French Market which has a lot(?) of chicory in it) and several years of CS hasn't turned me gray/blue, but that might because the Oregon rain hasn't let me get exposed enough prior to development (sorry but couldn't resist:~D) Thanks :-) Ron KC7ZWA in Oregon -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBruce Marx Web Site C/S
Hi Ivan, On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:22:14 +1200, Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz wrote: Surely this investigation is flawed, or at least back to front. Would it not have been of greater interest to find the most effective silver colloid, and then determine particle size and method of production, rather than eliminate subjects (15) according to particle size, and then test the remaining (4) for efficacy? The results may well be the same...but what is the reason for making colloidal silver in the first place. Absolutely! The investigator has somehow predetermined what particle size should be tested. Perhaps there's something in the report that talks about his assumptions. If not, that would be another flaw. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCandida
Hi Nancy, On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:45:46 -0400, Black dbl...@cfl.rr.com wrote: My husband has candida and has been advised by doctor to avoid all wheat containing foods. When he does this he is greatly relieved of extremely painful GERDS, which has cost him 3-4 years of not being able to sleep in prone position.. I had to sleep sitting in a chair (I bought a recliner for this to keep my feet elevated) for many months due to a sinus infection -- which I've figured out to be some kind of fungus. (The MDs couldn't touch it with all their tests and medicines.) I cannot get him to even try CS for the candida problem, tho I feel sure I have read that it has cured candida. He maintains that since CS kills bacteria how will it know not to kill friendly bacteria, which is the origin of candida in the first place. He's half right, IMO. It's easy enough to get friendly bacteria into the intestinal tract, which is the only place it should be. CS (I drink about 8 oz daily, spread out) is helping with the fungus -- slowly. What worked immediately is the Zapper (Clark's -- using a 1 kHz square wave of 9-volt pulses, a 12 to 13.5 volt power supply, limited to 1 mA current). I tried this quack remedy as a last resort (I've a degree in physics, a certificate in EE and am a ham radio operator and KNEW that low voltage pulses couldn't possibly cure anything). After months of mild to extreme pain for hours daily, the Zapper produced some relief within a day (actually, noticed a slight subsidence within an hour, but can't really say it was the Zapper producing it). I used the Zapper 3 times daily for the first several days, then once daily for a while. I was feeling so good -- and able to get some real sleep IN BED -- after a week or two that I forgot to use it enough. So I had a mild relapse -- and had several people reminding me to use it. :) Right now I use it once every few weeks. I should use it more often to make sure the fungus is gone -- which it isn't quite, but I'm concerned about the accounts of electroporasis(sp?). I've noticed no side effects from Zapping, though. At the time I started the Zapper, I had tried just about everything to clear up the problem as it had been getting worse for many years -- so much so that I wasn't able to work. I drank cayenne pepper juice (somewhat diluted, 25% Franks and 75% distilled water). I drank vinegar (raw apple cider), took 50 grams (50,000 mg) of Vitamin C daily. I had most of my teeth pulled (in case the infection was originating there -- some probably was). I got a juicer and drank at least a quart of carrot juice daily (supplemented with other juices). I grew and juiced wheatgrass. I cut out grain products -- wheat, rice, corn, etc. -- (before trying the wheatgrass). I cut out various other food groups for a month or two. I tried all sorts of other natural remedies. Some of the above had minor effects, but nothing did the job except the Zapper. About the only thing I didn't try (because I could find no info at the time) was the magnetic pulser. But I'm going to cobble one of them together as soon as I find a electronic flash unit big enough for the job. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPoor Results when taken Systemically?
As a relatively new member to this group, I was quite distressed by the above post by Dr. Altman. If the above is true, then why is it being touted by this list and cs manufacturers as being equivalent to antibiotics? I have long-term Lyme and in perusing the archives of this list and in speaking with several members here, I was fairly confident that I could use cs with good results. If that is not the case, then I obviously seriously need to rethink what I am currently doing. All feedback is appreciated. Since I get this list in digest form, posts cc'd to me as well as posted to the list, would be helpful. Thank you. Hope Dear Hope, It made me shake my head, as CS, taken internally, is what cured me of Lyme, and nothing else! I have read post after post on the Lyme ng, for over 4 years, from folks saying how, once they had stopped their abx, their Lyme recurred. Not one could actually claim the abx had cured them. Some say they aren`t totally cured with CS, but all have reported that they do feel much better than they did with abx. Others say that CS in combination with the zapper has done the trick. We are all different, we have to keep trying. In my opinion, CS is really worth it. It did cure me, thank God! You have nothing to lose trying CS, and hopefully it will do as well for you as it did for me!! Love and best wishes, Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCandida
James, your frustration and anger is shared by me as well. I don't have the 'faith' in the medical community that many people have. I know without a doubt that they err a lot of the time and we are the ones who suffer. Just because they have a degree doesn't mean they know it all or are the gods they want us to believe. It's very sad to see people going without the help they could get because they won't try this simple solution to so many ailments or illnesses. Diane James Allison wrote: It's really a shame that he needs proof. I related an experience a while back about how colloidal silver healed a 10 month old baby of pneumonia. Since then, I have seen the same results with other cases of pneumonia. I had a friend who's son my wife and I watched on a daily basis for over 12 years. His wife is an RN and worked for Cigna all the time that we were watching their son. We told them time and time again about colloidal silver, but they refused to take a serious look at it. A month ago, the husband came down with pneumonia and we did everything but tie him up to try and make him take some colloidal silver. His wife refused to ask the doctors she worked with about it, and wanted nothing to do with the snake oil. Well, he got so bad after a week that he was admitted to the hospital, and he never made it out. The funeral was nice I heard, and now upon reflection, I'm sorry I was so angry at him and his wife for not trying colloidal silver, that I didn't go. I know that if he had tried colloidal silver, he would have never have had to go to the hospital, but like so many others, he refused to try colloidal silver because there were no real medical studies to support it. Since then, I have a very bad attitude with people that refuse to try something that has the potential to heal, because they need more proof. If they refuse to try something that could help, won't hurt, can cure and has cured, then let them live in pain and sorrow, and possibly die from their ignorance. I know, pretty strong words, but I've been there, seen it, done it. We know it won't hurt, doesn't have side effects and CAN and HAS healed. He still doesn't want to try it? Well, people have been living in pain, and dieing, because stupid choices for a long time, and will continue to do so for a long time to come. Sorry for sounding so jaded fellow and fellowette listers, but coming to terms with all of this is not an easy thing for me. I guess I'm still in the anger stage. Yours in health, James Allison - Allisons Apothecary - Your On-Line Apothecary Visit Us Soon - http://allisonsapothecary.com Home of the $39.95 Colloidal Silver Generator And Wonderful Prices On Quality Products Like MSM, Ionic Mineral Waters and Apricot Kernels - - Original Message - From: Black dbl...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 7:45 AM Subject: CSCandida My husband has candida and has been advised by doctor to avoid all wheat containing foods. When he does this he is greatly relieved of extremely painful GERDS, which has cost him 3-4 years of not being able to sleep in prone position.. I cannot get him to even try CS for the candida problem, tho I feel sure I have read that it has cured candida. He maintains that since CS kills bacteria how will it know not to kill friendly bacteria, which is the origin of candida in the first place. He has said that if he could see a book or some documentation explaining that CS works for candida and why, he would gladly consider taking it. If any of you folks have any info on this matter I would be grateful to hear it, even testimonials that pinpoint candida to CS use. I hate to see him go the rest of his life having to eliminate wheat from diet, and it sure makes it a problem working around this in his meal preparations. Thanks for anything help , Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking CS
In a message dated 7/4/00 11:10:16 AM EST, tw...@yahoo.com writes: Regarding Professor Gibbs: Did he test HVDC? I am unaware of anyone else besides myself who is using HVDC to produce CS on a commercial quantity basis. I would very much like to see the results of testing on HVDC. How does it compare to HVAC? LVDC? Terry Wayne Terry: It's a pretty good bet that Professor Gibbs has not tested some or perhaps ANY of the better quality DC CS products that have been referred to on this list. I don't see why ANYONE who has reason to believe that he/she can produce a good quality CS product shouldn't get in touch with Professor Gibbs and ask if he would like to use it in his next round of tests. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPoor Results when taken Systemically?
In a message dated 7/4/00 6:35:49 PM EST, krh...@worldnet.att.net writes: On the other hand, I have noticed rather poor results with colloidal silver when it is used systemically. As a matter of fact, personal experience and that of others as well, has shown that CS does NOT compare well to antibiotics when used in this manner. As a relatively new member to this group, I was quite distressed by the above post by Dr. Altman. If the above is true, then why is it being touted by this list and cs manufacturers as being equivalent to antibiotics? I have long-term Lyme and in perusing the archives of this list and in speaking with several members here, I was fairly confident that I could use cs with good results. If that is not the case, then I obviously seriously need to rethink what I am currently doing. All feedback is appreciated. Since I get this list in digest form, posts cc'd to me as well as posted to the list, would be helpful. Thank you. Hope krh...@worldnet.att.net Hope: Another lister who was just as concerned about my remarks as you contacted me directly. Here is a copy of my response to that individual which I hope will put my views in a more appropriate context with regard to Lyme disease, or any other debilitating illness for which conventional medicine offers, shall we say, controvercial procedures. I meant that statement as a GENERAL PERSONAL observation. I have read accounts of people suffering from Lyme disease who are convinced that CS got rid of Lyme disease FOR THEM. So please DO NOT read too much into my statement. I'm trying to draw out the good professor so I don't want to complicate my question too much with a bunch of qualifiers. Personally, if I had Lyme disease, I'd think long and hard before starting with antibiotics because the results apparently have been mixed at best. Maybe if caught early enough antibiotics would be the way to go. I don't know. If I caught it late, I'd be drinking pints, if not quarts, of my HVAC CS DAILY, and I would definitely check out the remarkable studies and results by Messrs. Beck and Becker. Look up silver lister's commentary about the work of these two gentlemen (and others, Dr. Clark, for example) in the archives section. The Best of Luck, Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPoor Results when taken Systemically?
Hi Hope and all, Who is Dr. Altman? Christy krh...@worldnet.att.net writes: Subj: CSPoor Results when taken Systemically? Date: 7/4/00 4:35:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: krh...@worldnet.att.net Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com On the other hand, I have noticed rather poor results with colloidal silver when it is used systemically. As a matter of fact, personal experience and that of others as well, has shown that CS does NOT compare well to antibiotics when used in this manner. As a relatively new member to this group, I was quite distressed by the above post by Dr. Altman. If the above is true, then why is it being touted by this list and cs manufacturers as being equivalent to antibiotics? I have long-term Lyme and in perusing the archives of this list and in speaking with several members here, I was fairly confident that I could use cs with good results. If that is not the case, then I obviously seriously need to rethink what I am currently doing. All feedback is appreciated. Since I get this list in digest form, posts cc'd to me as well as posted to the list, would be helpful. Thank you. Hope krh...@worldnet.att.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMaking CS
Terry, I, and no doubt other silver-listers, would be interested in more details on your HVDC method of generating CS. I use what I suppose one would call medium voltage DC (a few hundred volts) at a constant low current. But after a few minutes, as the conductivity of the CS goes up, most of the generation cycle is below 50 volts, i.e. LVDC. I have not heard of others using HVDC. Are you using many thousands of volts DC? If so, please explain your setup - is it like a Bruce Marx arrangement? Are you using filtered HVDC, or just rectifiers without filter caps? Etc. Please share how you do it with us. Thanks, Steve Young - Original Message - From: Terry Wayne tw...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: CSMaking CS Listers, When producing CS, I haven't figured out why to use batteries, apart from portability. Why not use one or two 12-volt adapters? They never run down like batteries, and they don't get weaker as time goes by. Where I live, I can buy a new 12-volt adapter for $10. It costs me that much or more for 3 quality 9-volt batteries. (The cheap ones don't last long at all.) I see them repeatedly at yard sales and Goodwill-type stores very economically priced. Before I switched to HVDC I used sets of 2 or 3 adapters (12 - 36 volts) on a daily basis. The quality of the CS batches frequently varied (determined by color and turbidity), but the efficacy of the CS seemed constant. Regarding Professor Gibbs: Did he test HVDC? I am unaware of anyone else besides myself who is using HVDC to produce CS on a commercial quantity basis. I would very much like to see the results of testing on HVDC. How does it compare to HVAC? LVDC? Terry Wayne __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
