Re: CS
A nasal spryer sometimes doesn't flood the sinus cavities well. Try this: Lay on a couch upside down with legs over the top and head hanging off the edge. Take an eyedropper or even a spoon and pour CS down the upturned nose. Stay in that position for 6 to 10 minutes. This will flood the sinuses all the way to the tear ducts and may make your eyes burn a little. Ken At 11:30 AM 7/22/00 -0700, you wrote: > Hi, I am currently taking 4 T of CS 3 times a day but it has done nothing for > me, so see from the list that i will have to increase it. I have chronic > sinus problems and am in the ENT's office at least once a month for more > antibiotics and a medrol pack ever 3 months. Have been taking the CS for at > least 3 months. Use the CS in a spray bottle for the nose and nothing has > changed and think I will try the super doses of CS that have been mentioned > here and see if it helps. > > Another thing that I fine interesting is I am getting IV chelation twice a > week and there is a man there that can hardly walk and he looks to be in his > late forties that has been diagnosed with Lou G. disease and he has been > everywhere looking for help and now is getting the IV chelation and also he > gets the hydrogen peroxide drip and he said he was told he had a high level > of silver which was causing his problem. I didn't mention that I was taking > CS. Of course he has been to a lot of Drs. and has been told a lot of > different things. Feel like he is being steered wrong. Does anyone know of > anything for Lou G Disease? > > Thanks, Mary Dear Mary, Is the CS store bought, or home made? Some store bought stuff is nothing more than water with yellow food coloring... Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Tired of buying questionable qaulity colloidal silver at high heathfood store prices? Make your own high quality Colloidal Silver at home with this automatic process, current controlled colloidal silver generator. http://www.silverpuppy.com
Re: CS & Sinus
Mary, This isn't CS, we use CS for other things. For sinus infections we swear by Tea Tree oil. It is also called Mellaluca. You can vaporize it by putting three drops oil in a cup of water and bring almost to a boil. Breathe in till cool. I do it the lazy way, I put a few drops on a q-tip then apply it inside by nostrils. You can also use Eucalyptus oil. I have never talked to anyone it didn't help, and usually immediately. Good luck, you can find it at any health food store. Sherree (a lurker) helenw8...@aol.com wrote: > Hi, I am currently taking 4 T of CS 3 times a day but it has done nothing for > me, so see from the list that i will have to increase it. I have chronic > sinus problems and am in the ENT's office at least once a month for more > antibiotics and a medrol pack ever 3 months. Have been taking the CS for at > least 3 months. Use the CS in a spray bottle for the nose and nothing has > changed and think I will try the super doses of CS that have been mentioned > here and see if it helps. > > Another thing that I fine interesting is I am getting IV chelation twice a > week and there is a man there that can hardly walk and he looks to be in his > late forties that has been diagnosed with Lou G. disease and he has been > everywhere looking for help and now is getting the IV chelation and also he > gets the hydrogen peroxide drip and he said he was told he had a high level > of silver which was causing his problem. I didn't mention that I was taking > CS. Of course he has been to a lot of Drs. and has been told a lot of > different things. Feel like he is being steered wrong. Does anyone know of > anything for Lou G Disease? > > Thanks, Mary > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Fw: Materia Medica
Hi Bill, Thanks for looking in the horses mouth. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: BILLBSC [SMTP:bill...@flosc.net] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 5:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS>Fw: Materia Medica << File: ATT1.html >> - Original Message - From: BILLBSC To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: Materia Medica Hi all, The Materia Medica listing for Argentium Nitricum (Silver Nitrate) is correct according to the latest Materia Medica Ninth Edition by Boericke & Tafel, Inc. is just what it says . . . SYMPTOMS FOR OVERDOSE OF SILVER NITRATE. This has absolutely no relationship to Colloidal Silver whatsoever The only persons in danger of ingesting too much Silver Nitrate in their Colloidal Silver are those who carelessly make Colloidal Silver with HVAC - Open Arc, and allow the process to run too long. The EPA limit for Silver Nitrate ingestion by humans is set at 20 PPM. When Colloidal Silver made in this manner is allowed to run for an extended time, say 24 Hours or more, you can generate a Silver Nitrate loading in the batch that might approach 70 PPM. Then, you might possibly start getting symptoms described in the Materia Medica. Independent laboratory testing has shown the following characteristics, in part, for a long running batch using open arc, 12,000 VAC. Hanna TDS 1 Meter Reading870 PPM Actual by Lab47.8 PPM Nitrate test strips 60 PPM + Actual by Lab68 PPM Hanna PH Meter 2.7 PH Actual by Lab1.98 PH Nitric Acid Actual by Lab>0.1 % (Was Below Test Capability) Viscosity Actual by Lab1.208 This is typical of the testing being done for me by a certified laboratory on instruments within their certification or calibration dates. In some cases the instruments are freshly calibrated for our tests. This is the only way that I can see that a person could get these symptoms from using colloidal silver. Use of any substance by humans without comprehensive, continual testing is playing Russian roulette with your well being! The reason I have not presented this type of information before is that testing of CS is wildly variable in results using the equipment that is affordable to most. Questioning suppliers (Hanna, Cole-Parmer, and other suppliers of equipment) brings one result: you cannot rely on Conductivity, TDS, Water Quality Instruments, ETC. to test Colloidal Silver - Period. You might be able to get close if you have a competent lab do repeated tests versus your instrumentation until you develop a correction factor. For instance - up to 250 PPM on a Hanna DiST WP Meter, properly calibrated, AND: properly cleaned after each use - - - you could divide the reading by eight (8) and have a reasonable approximation of the strength of Colloidal Silver. Example: Lab test - 19.6 PPMHanna DiST WP 158 PPM158/8 = 19.75 PPM Bill Biagioli N.M.D. bill...@flosc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>FW: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539
Is there a medical pro out there who can confirm that this sounds like nitrate toxicity? Especially the blue nails? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Michael [SMTP:mike...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 7:32 PM To: a...@trail.com Subject:Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539 James, I cannot provide names, I am sure we all know that. That would be against my prinicipals of my practice and without my patients consent I cannot do that. I can tell you this much: 1/4 cup 3 times a day was one, 100ppm+- so the company says 1 cup a day was another made with battery operated.9V batteries. ppm unknown. I also do not know how they ran the process or how what exactly was used in making this product. On one patient the discoloration was a bluish gray covering a majority of the body but mostly the facial area. Nail beds where bluish gray. This patient also showed many of the other signs that I had previously listed. The graying on the body area was not as predominent as the face, which did stand out. The face seem to present itself after a tan had faded. as for thisYour saying, Dr. Richard Moskowitz is a homeopath, and has a > well deserved world-wide reputation. He has a lot of books on homeopathy, I did not say this.Go back to the original email and please read it again. I said that if he understand homeopathy then he knew how the remedies where proven. I did not say that the man named above did not know homeopathy...that email was directed at someone else. The remedy chosen for this person at that time was argentum nitricum. The remedy started acting within the 1st week. It has taken some time and is not completely cleared but they are very close to it. That is all the info I can give on this case. Anything more would be crossing the boundaries. These patients, there are not many I will say that, are original patients of my partner. We work side by side due to the variation of case loads. I am sure that this is rare in modern day CS but I will NOT go as far to say that it will NOT happen. Mary Mary - Original Message - From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" To: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 8:22 PM Subject:RE: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539 > Hi Mary, > > You may have the missing link. > > No one has yet been able to verify any harm [other than diarrhea] from too > much CS. > > Will you please provide the names of the people and the details of their > discoloration? > > What was the "over the limit" dose? How was the silver made? > > What is the method for reducing the stain in the skin? > > Your saying, Dr. Richard Moskowitz is a homeopath, and has a > well deserved world-wide reputation. He has a lot of books on homeopathy, > and has read them. He also writes books on homeopathy that other people > read. > > Who do you know that has been drinking Silver Nitrate? In what > concentration and quantity? > > Are they still alive? > > Thanks, > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > FTNWO > > > -Original Message- > From: Michael [SMTP:mike...@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 2:11 PM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539 > > The name of the book I got it from was Homeopathic Materia Medica and Rep. > The author being W. Boericke, M.D. > Publisher is B. Jain. > If you have homeopathic books then you do not know much about homeopathy. > You state that you cannot find anything about silver being toxic, do you > understand that each remedy is "proven" by being given at an above normal > level to bring about the symptoms shown in the MM to healthy people. > Silver > and silver nitrates are different , yes I agree, do they show the same > signs > when to much is consumed, yes they do. I know this from my practice from > people who have been on Cs and have gone over the limit of what there body > can handle. . I know people who have had the silver, yes colloidal > silver, > change the color of their skin. I am NOT from the FDA or any govt agency, > CS is a great product if used within its limits. I am only trying to say > to > stay within safe limits of taking CS. I am also saying that if it does > every happen to anyone on this list I hope they remember that there is a > possibility that they may be helped. > Mary > > - Original Message - > From: "Tai-Pan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539 > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > Thanks for the nice reply. However the question has not been answered > (supply > > the author, title and date of pub) of the book you are using. > > > > I have an extensive collection of homeopathic books, none of which > report > any > > toxic effect of pure silver. > > > > We are not talking silver nitrate here, already know its not
CS>Reversable Blue
Mary and all, Argyria has never been demonstrated to be reversed. Therefore, whatever Mary's patients condition, it was not Argyria. [Never say never, but very low probability] Some considerations: Were the affected people in the same geographic area? Were they using water from the same source? Was it well water from a small private well? Was there any sort of industrial activity in the area where the smurfed people live? Is there a sample of the silver available? Can more of the homemade silver be made, using the same water as before? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO <>
Re: CS>Government control...will it happen in the USA
As I think I understand it, in October 1994 a new law (passed in 1992) went into effect that took oversight of OTC products and supplements away from the FDA and gave it to the FTC. At the same time rules were spelled out for proper "labeling" of OTC products. The FDA retained control of products for medical use. This new legislation was pushed for by the OTC and supplement industry. It was not the FDA's wishes as I understand it, but was promoted by legislators friendly to the supplement vendors, such as Sen. Orrin Hatch --- whose family is said to have benefited from alternative medicine. In a cute paraphrase, the law says, "If you sell, don't tell and if you tell don't sell." Tellers are protected by the right of free speech. SOTA has not been playing by these new rules in existence for six years. Canada apparently now has similar rules or Canada and the US may have a trade cooperation agreement. Apparently someone who has been playing by the rules filed a complaint, an investigation took place and SOTA has been told to cease and desist from vending devices as though they were medical devices for human use. To do that you still have to go through the FDA and Canadian approval process. The FDA is still responsible for supervision of the marketing of medical devices for human use. The OTC and supplement industries want to polish up their industry to improve their image in the eyes of the public and gain more public confidence. Other web sites, in the USA, may soon have complaints filed against them for the same reason. Often it is the one who is just stung by the rule enforcers who is the next to squeal, wishing to level the playing field. One of the new 1994 FTC rules is that you must be "objective" when you make claims for your product, presenting the negative along with the positive. And you must be able to substantiate all your claims with documentation that any consumer may request in writing of the vendor. We have been witnessing the results of this lately on USA TV with the supplement commercials. Have you noticed? Do you really think this bad? --- Spiroflex - Original Message - From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" To: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: RE: CS>Government control...will it happen in the USA > Hi Trem, > > Chilling indeed. > > All that is not mandatory shall be forbidden. > > Your choice of "Draconian" is perhaps more relevant than you may know. > > And perhaps also, "Sirian", in uneasy alliance behind the WO---new is same as old. > > Their goal is to reduce the farm to a more manageable population level. Anything which interferes with that goal will be crushed. > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > FTNWO > > > -Original Message- > From: Trem [SMTP:t...@silvergen.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 10:49 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: CS>Government control...will it happen in the USA > > Hi List and especially other CS generator manufacturers and vendors, > > Has anyone else seen the Sota site lately. Looks to me as though they got > shut down by the Canadian government. Not much info is available on their > site to let us know what happened but it seem from reading between the > lines, they stepped across one line that was a no-no. Sounds pretty > Draconian to me. We can't be sure it was from CS machines because they > marketed many different type devices but in any case it's a bit > chilling. Check it out www.sotainstruments.com . > > If anyone knows the real story, how about letting us know what you have. > > > Trem > www.silvergen.com > Constant Current Colloid Generators > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539
Silver nitrate is known to be toxic. Has nothing to do with silver metal. Marshall Michael wrote: > Bob Lee, > This info may be found in any homeopathic Materia Medica. I will include > a link to take you to a site that has the info on the "argentum Nitricum" > (silver) Of course they do call it silver nitrate, different from the CS > of today. I do agree, but cases have been reported, but from what I have > seen I do believe that homeopathy does hold the cure for this condition if > it does appear permanent. > I have copied it below for you: > http://www.homeoint.org/books/boericmm/mmaraarn.htm#ARG_N > ARGENTUM NITRICUM > > In this drug the neurotic effects are very marked, many brain and spinal > symptoms presenting; themselves which give certain indications for its > homeopathic employment. Symptoms of inco-ordination, loss of control and > want of balance everywhere, mentally and physically; trembling in affected > parts. Is an irritant of mucous membranes, producing violent inflammation of > the throat, and a marked gastro-enteritis. Very characteristic is the great > desire for sweets, the splinter-like pains, and free muco-purulent discharge > in the inflamed and ulcerated mucous membranes. Sensation as if a part were > expanding and other errors of perception are characteristic. Withered up and > dried constitutions present a favorable field for its action, especially > when associated with unusual or long continued mental exertion. Head > symptoms often determine the choice of this remedy. Pains increase and > decrease gradually. Flatulent state and prematurely aged look. Explosive > belching especially in neurotics. Upper abdominal affections brought on by > undue mental exertion. Paraplegia Myelitis and disseminated sclerosis of > brain and cord. Intolerance of heat. Sensation of a sudden pinch (Dudgeon). > Destroys red blood corpuscles, producing anæmia. > > Mind.--Thinks his understanding will and must fail. Fearful and nervous; > impulse to jump out of window. Faintish and tremulous. Melancholic; > apprehensive of serious disease. Time passes slowly (Cann ind). Memory weak. > Errors of perception. Impulsive; wants to do things in a hurry (Lilium). > Peculiar mental impulses. Fears and anxieties and hidden irrational motives > for actions. > > Head.--Headache with coldness and trembling. Emotional disturbances cause > appearance of hemi-cranial attacks. Sense of expansion. Brain-fag, with > general debility and trembling. Headache from mental exertion, from dancing. > Vertigo, with buzzing in ears and with nervous affections. Aching in frontal > eminence, with enlarged feeling in corresponding eye. Boring pain; better on > tight bandaging and pressure. Itching of scalp. Hemi-crania; bones of head > feel as if separated. > > Eyes.--Inner canthi swollen and red. Spots before the vision. Blurred > vision. Photophobia in warm room. Purulent ophthalmia. Great swelling of > conjunctiva; discharge abundant and purulent. Chronic ulceration of margin > of lids; sore, thick, swollen. Unable to keep eyes fixed steadily. > Eye-strain from sewing; worse in warm room. Aching, tired feeling in eyes, > better closing or pressing upon them. Useful in restoring power to the > weakened ciliary muscles. Paretic condition of ciliary muscle. Acute > granular conjunctivitis. Cornea opaque. Ulcer in cornea. > > Nose.--Loss of smell. Itching. Ulcers in septum. Coryza, with chilliness, > lachrymation, and headache. > > Face.--Sunken, old, pale, and bluish. Old man's look; tight drawing of skin > over bones. > > Mouth.--Gums tender and bleed easily. Tongue has prominent papillæ; tip is > red and painful. Pain in sound teeth. Taste coppery, like ink. Canker sores. > > Throat.--Much thick mucus in throat and mouth causes hawking. Raw, rough and > sore. Sensation of a splinter in throat on swallowing. Dark redness of > throat. Catarrh of smokers, with tickling as of hair in throat. Strangulated > feeling. > > Stomach.--Belching accompanies most gastric ailments. Nausea, retching, > vomiting of glairy mucus. Flatulence; painful swelling of pit. Painful spot > over stomach that radiates to all parts of the abdomen. Gnawing ulcerating > pain; burning and constriction. Ineffectual effort at eructation. Great > craving for sweets. Gastritis of drunkards. Ulcerative pain in left side > under ribs. Trembling and throbbing in stomach. Enormous distention. > Ulceration of stomach, with radiating pain. Desire for cheese and salt. > > Abdomen.--Colic, with much flatulent distention. Stitchy ulcerative pain on > left side of stomach, below short ribs. > > Stool.--Watery, noisy, flatulent; green, like chopped spinach, with shreddy > mucus and enormous distention of abdomen; very offensive. Diarrhoa > immediately after eating or drinking. Fluids go right through him; after > sweets. After any emotion with flatulence. Itching of anus. > > Urine.--Urine passes unconsciously, day and night. Urethra inflamed, with > pain, burn
Re: CS>Reversable Blue
James, et al, The silver used was WaterOZ.The person in question got the diagnosis of Argyria from one Dr. (purely by looks, no tests or blood work were ever done, from what I was told) went to a 2nd Dr for a 2nd opinion, and THAT Dr. did not feel that it was Argyria, and also ran blood tests etc, as I remember. Sparrow > Mary and all, > > Argyria has never been demonstrated to be reversed. > > Therefore, whatever Mary's patients condition, it was not Argyria. [Never > say never, but very low probability] > > Some considerations: Were the affected people in the same geographic > area? Were they using water from the same source? Was it well water > from a small private well? > > Was there any sort of industrial activity in the area where the smurfed > people live? > > Is there a sample of the silver available? Can more of the homemade silver > be made, using the same water as before? > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > FTNWO > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
List: Perhaps now is a good time to ask all contributors and lurkers to post any PERSONAL negative experience with CS. Please be as specific as possible as to your CS prep as well as the problem(s) encountered and anything else that you consider relevant. As far as my own experience is concerned, I am unaware of ANY side effects for myself, or anyone who has taken CS that I've prepared. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: Microwaves
I have a request from another group on what I know about microwaves. Would appreciate any forwards anyone can send. Thanks. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Uses
Pets: Seeing as how we live in a near zoo at my house, CS comes in very handy for the occasional ickies & sickies: I have experienced great results with CS in cats. This has been a bad year for fights & therefore, abcesses on our 2 cats & I have found that injecting CS directly into the already-open wound with a plastic-tipped syringe takes care of the problem in two days or less, depending on the size of the wound. I also give CS by mouth for 4 days and I'm amazed every time how complete & quick the healing is. I used to pay $90 per visit to the vet for antibiotics & an overnight stay, lancing & drainage and I haven't had to for the last 2 years. Cats heal differently than humans & dogs. If there is any infection under the skin at a wound site, it will take way too long to heal with conventional meds & must be treated at the wound site as well as internally. CS is perfect for this. CS also cured a chronic ear fungus in my dog. I have used CS successfully as a dip for my comet goldfish & have seen Ich disappear in less than 2 days on a fish that was covered with the speckles. Also took care of one case of dropsy (pinecone syndrome) & a stress/fungal condition on a large koi. (I ALWAYS treat my fish OUT of the water in a dip bucket; never in the pond.) As for us humans in the house, I credit CS with keeping us flu-free for the last 2 years, as well as enabling a longer refrigerator shelf-life on foods that we would have thrown out because of questionable age. We're saving money AND staying well. Also, a friend of mine used CS to cool a bad cooking oil burn & found to her joy & amazement that the large burn mark was nearly invisible the next day & gone on the second with no scarring, blistering or tenderness. Sorry for the book...CS has done wonders for all the little insidious, irritating ills of life at our house since we started making it regularly 2 years ago. We'll keep making it & using it and completely benefiting from it. Heather King -Original Message- From: Marsha Hallett [mailto:liah...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 9:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Uses > > Hi, I know there are long lists of potential applications for CS but I > wondered > if those of you who have been successful would consider creating a thread, if > such hasn't been done, of your uses and results. What have you used CS > for and what was the outcome? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Uses
I've used CS for MS for a period of 3 months with great results. I have no more fatigue, the strength is returning to my left leg, regained the strength in my left arm, reduced numbness in my right hand, and no more urgency to urinate every 30 minutes. Susan -Original Message- From: Marsha Hallett [mailto:liah...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 09:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Uses > > Hi, I know there are long lists of potential applications for CS but I > wondered > if those of you who have been successful would consider creating a thread, if > such hasn't been done, of your uses and results. What have you used CS > for and what was the outcome? Okay, You asked for it! :o) I have used it successfully for: Lyme disease, colds, flu (prevented it from happening, when everyone else was ill), acne, conjuntivitis, urinary tract infections, infected ingrown toenail, sunburn, spider bites, (if they WERE Brown Recluse, and I suspect they were, I didn`t need skin grafts, as the CS deactivated the toxin) and in my pets, Giardia in a cockatiel and various infections in my 2 Pugs. Now I`m getting ready to see if it`ll stop Human Papilloma Virus, once I know whether or not I have cervical cancer. Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539
## CS has been around since the 70s and before with a few incautious people drinking quarts. In searching over 2000 web pages and considering that people just love to complain, I have yet to find even one person who claimed to have turned any color for any reason as a result of taking "electro-colloidal silver" [except Rosemary who doesn't specify what she took at what dose or show any sort of documentation...yet she seems to show up on all sorts of search engines and we with web sites all know how much effort it takes to get search engines to find us] even if they were tie dying T shirts for a living...not even one. Who are these people and what did they do? Ken At 07:26 PM 7/23/00 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 7/23/00 3:37:09 PM EST, mike...@worldnet.att.net writes: I know people who have had the silver, yes colloidal silver, change the color of their skin. Tired of buying questionable qaulity colloidal silver at high heathfood store prices? Make your own high quality Colloidal Silver at home with this automatic process, current controlled colloidal silver generator. http://www.silverpuppy.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
Not according to Beck. But I disagree. I feel they are essentually equivalent, in fact I personally prefer the zapper. My sister beat lyme using the zapper for the electrification. Marshall Katie Jay wrote: > Does the Clark zapper count for the blood electrification needed as part of > Beck's 4-point protocol? > Thanks > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539
Hi Mary: Just how much CS were these people consuming? and over what period of time? Yes I understand Homeopathy, I work with it in my research. I await your response. Blessings Ted Michael wrote: > The name of the book I got it from was Homeopathic Materia Medica and Rep. > The author being W. Boericke, M.D. > Publisher is B. Jain. > If you have homeopathic books then you do not know much about homeopathy. > You state that you cannot find anything about silver being toxic, do you > understand that each remedy is "proven" by being given at an above normal > level to bring about the symptoms shown in the MM to healthy people. Silver > and silver nitrates are different , yes I agree, do they show the same signs > when to much is consumed, yes they do. I know this from my practice from > people who have been on Cs and have gone over the limit of what there body > can handle. . I know people who have had the silver, yes colloidal silver, > change the color of their skin. I am NOT from the FDA or any govt agency, > CS is a great product if used within its limits. I am only trying to say to > stay within safe limits of taking CS. I am also saying that if it does > every happen to anyone on this list I hope they remember that there is a > possibility that they may be helped. > Mary > > - Original Message - > From: "Tai-Pan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539 > > > Hi Michael, > > > > Thanks for the nice reply. However the question has not been answered > (supply > > the author, title and date of pub) of the book you are using. > > > > I have an extensive collection of homeopathic books, none of which report > any > > toxic effect of pure silver. > > > > We are not talking silver nitrate here, already know its not good for us. > > > > You state "cases have been reported". Please give substantive details, no > smoke > > screens. Cut to the chase, don't go around in circles about the subject > > > > We are aware that any silver compound is not good for us. :-) Pure silver > is > > good for us. (don't eat silver bars). > > > > Thanks Michael, waiting for info requested. > > > > Bless you Bob Lee > > > > Michael wrote: > > > > > Bob Lee, > > > This info may be found in any homeopathic Materia Medica. I will > include > > > a link to take you to a site that has the info on the "argentum > Nitricum" > > > (silver) Of course they do call it silver nitrate, different from > the CS > > > of today. I do agree, but cases have been reported, but from what I > have > > > seen I do believe that homeopathy does hold the cure for this condition > if > > > it does appear permanent. > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Tai-Pan" > > > To: "silver-list" > > > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 5:43 AM > > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:20:16 -0400, "Michael" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reading from my book it lists the following > > > > > > > >Hi Michael, > > > > > > > >What book is this? Please supply the Title, Author, published Date. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bless you Bob Lee > > > > -- > > oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast > > l...@fbtc.net > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>Reversable Blue
If I recall the silveroz product claims that it is ionic silver, not colloidal silver. I questioned a year or so ago whether or not silver oz could lead to argyria on this very list, but at that time no one reported such problems. I do not believe the silver oz product is the same as what we consider colloidal silver. Marshall Scharbach Family wrote: > James, et al, > > The silver used was WaterOZ.The person in question got the diagnosis of > Argyria from > one Dr. (purely by looks, no tests or blood work were ever done, from what I > was told) > went to a 2nd Dr for a 2nd opinion, and THAT Dr. did not feel that it was > Argyria, > and also ran blood tests etc, as I remember. > > Sparrow > > > Mary and all, > > > > Argyria has never been demonstrated to be reversed. > > > > Therefore, whatever Mary's patients condition, it was not Argyria. [Never > > say never, but very low probability] > > > > Some considerations: Were the affected people in the same geographic > > area? Were they using water from the same source? Was it well water > > from a small private well? > > > > Was there any sort of industrial activity in the area where the smurfed > > people live? > > > > Is there a sample of the silver available? Can more of the homemade > silver > > be made, using the same water as before? > > > > James Osbourne Holmes > > a...@trail.com > > FTNWO > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
Alvin Rose wrote: > Hi Marshall > Take your sisters zapper and put a 0 to 1000 microamp meter in series > with one lead...look for 50 to 100 microamp current flow in the circuit.. > you won't get any current flow as the voltage is too low to overcome the skin > resistence I checked the current flow. Just under 10 milliamps. > between the surface and arterys in the attatchment points... as a minimum of > 27 > volts is > required..without a current flow there is no electrification. > the zapper's output is a 30 kc low level output signal which uses this > frequency > to > kill parasites...My testing verifys what Bob Beck says. > all I look for is a common sense explanation as the concept is quite simple > do you have any theorys as to why the zapper worked... > perhaps it was parasites? or extra low skin resistance.. > Alvin Wet skin have a very low resistance. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539
Ted, The one case that I know of within our practice was taking 1/4 cup three times a day, I think it was stated that was over the course of a year. Mary - Original Message - From: "Ted Windsor" To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:32 PM Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539 > Hi Mary: > Just how much CS were these people consuming? and over what period of time? Yes > I understand Homeopathy, I work with it in my research. I await your response. > Blessings > Ted > > Michael wrote: > > > The name of the book I got it from was Homeopathic Materia Medica and Rep. > > The author being W. Boericke, M.D. > > Publisher is B. Jain. > > If you have homeopathic books then you do not know much about homeopathy. > > You state that you cannot find anything about silver being toxic, do you > > understand that each remedy is "proven" by being given at an above normal > > level to bring about the symptoms shown in the MM to healthy people. Silver > > and silver nitrates are different , yes I agree, do they show the same signs > > when to much is consumed, yes they do. I know this from my practice from > > people who have been on Cs and have gone over the limit of what there body > > can handle. . I know people who have had the silver, yes colloidal silver, > > change the color of their skin. I am NOT from the FDA or any govt agency, > > CS is a great product if used within its limits. I am only trying to say to > > stay within safe limits of taking CS. I am also saying that if it does > > every happen to anyone on this list I hope they remember that there is a > > possibility that they may be helped. > > Mary > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Tai-Pan" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 2:30 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539 > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > > > Thanks for the nice reply. However the question has not been answered > > (supply > > > the author, title and date of pub) of the book you are using. > > > > > > I have an extensive collection of homeopathic books, none of which report > > any > > > toxic effect of pure silver. > > > > > > We are not talking silver nitrate here, already know its not good for us. > > > > > > You state "cases have been reported". Please give substantive details, no > > smoke > > > screens. Cut to the chase, don't go around in circles about the subject > > > > > > We are aware that any silver compound is not good for us. :-) Pure silver > > is > > > good for us. (don't eat silver bars). > > > > > > Thanks Michael, waiting for info requested. > > > > > > Bless you Bob Lee > > > > > > Michael wrote: > > > > > > > Bob Lee, > > > > This info may be found in any homeopathic Materia Medica. I will > > include > > > > a link to take you to a site that has the info on the "argentum > > Nitricum" > > > > (silver) Of course they do call it silver nitrate, different from > > the CS > > > > of today. I do agree, but cases have been reported, but from what I > > have > > > > seen I do believe that homeopathy does hold the cure for this condition > > if > > > > it does appear permanent. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Tai-Pan" > > > > To: "silver-list" > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 5:43 AM > > > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #539 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:20:16 -0400, "Michael" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reading from my book it lists the following > > > > > > > > > >Hi Michael, > > > > > > > > > >What book is this? Please supply the Title, Author, published Date. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Bless you Bob Lee > > > > > > -- > > > oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast > > > l...@fbtc.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > >
Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
I haven't been able to take a sick day since I've started on CS! Bummer Chuck It's you and me against the world. When do we attack? On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:36:57 EDT, rogalt...@aol.com wrote: >List: > >Perhaps now is a good time to ask all contributors and lurkers to post any >PERSONAL negative experience with CS. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS & Sinus Problems
Marsh, you wrote >Is the CS store bought, or home made? Some store bought stuff is nothing >more than water with yellow food coloring... Marsh it is home made with a med Tyndall, I can't understand it. Thanks for writing. Mary H. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: CS and Sinus problems
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CS>OT - Brain Tuner
To those interested: The full run-down on the Brain Tuner (Lousy name, I know, my wife says it sounds like, "Brain Tumor") can be found by listening to Bob Beck speaking at this website: www.livingfromvision.com/realaud/bt6.html The info, however, is astounding. I have currently just started using this apparatus, plus the Blood Electrifier & the Magnetic Pulser (my wife thinks I will start glowing in the dark; I tell her I will have an electrifying personality). I will report later when I know something. Terry Wayne __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>chelation and garlic
I just started an oral chelation. I have two questions. Does anyone know if chelation acts on CS in your blood? I believe that chelation only works on single atoms, but could be wrong. If it worked on clusters then it should get rid of argyria, right? The second is really not a question but an observation. I noticed that the chelation is causing me the same type of general feeling that I get when I eat garlic. Since Bob Beck had said that garlic was toxic and should be avoided, my wife and I both have been avoiding it. Both of us tend to get sick when we eat it now. But my children and grandchild are not bothered by garlic, nor were we when we were younger. I find in some references that garlic is a good chelation agent for mercury, lead and other heavy metals. The oral chelation documentation talks about how important it is to not only chelate the metals, but to have herbs to transport it out of the body do they don't just keep circulating in the blood. So what I am thinking is, maybe garlic is not so toxic after all. Maybe it is chelating heavy metals, which then circulate in the blood making you feel bad for a couple of days. That would explain why my children don't have a problem with garlic, and we didn't when we were young and not so heavily loaded with heavy metals. Just a thought. Anyone? Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
blue_eyes wrote: > Hi Guys... > > I was under the impression that the 50 to 100 microamps spec. > relates to *as measured in the blood*. > > At 30 khz., the "skin effect" might conduct most of the usable > current away form the blood vessels, whereas, at 4 hz. it may be > more of a direct electrical effect than a frequency dependent > one. 30 Khz is way too low for skin effect to occur. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
Hi Guys... I was under the impression that the 50 to 100 microamps spec. relates to *as measured in the blood*. At 30 khz., the "skin effect" might conduct most of the usable current away form the blood vessels, whereas, at 4 hz. it may be more of a direct electrical effect than a frequency dependent one. Regards, David Alvin Rose wrote: > > Hi Marshall > Take your sisters zapper and put a 0 to 1000 microamp meter in series > with one lead...look for 50 to 100 microamp current flow in the circuit.. -- E-mail: broompi...@netzero.net Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 ICQ#... 44960928 NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>RE: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
Hi Guys, Bruce Marx has been taking 10 PPM, 9 OZ/day for a little less than 10 years. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side List: Perhaps now is a good time to ask all contributors and lurkers to post any PERSONAL negative experience with CS. Please be as specific as possible as to your CS prep as well as the problem(s) encountered and anything else that you consider relevant. As far as my own experience is concerned, I am unaware of ANY side effects for myself, or anyone who has taken CS that I've prepared. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
I have been using cs daily for 6 months ,have had very little illness Used also in my eyes on the odd occasion, We sell a cs generator to our customers for bird and animal health just positive feedback!!! regards richard ---www.dazer.com -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 24 July 2000 16:37 Subject: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side >List: > >Perhaps now is a good time to ask all contributors and lurkers to post any >PERSONAL negative experience with CS. Please be as specific as possible as to >your CS prep as well as the problem(s) encountered and anything else that you >consider relevant. As far as my own experience is concerned, I am unaware of >ANY side effects for myself, or anyone who has taken CS that I've prepared. > >Roger > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
RE: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT)
I drink 16 oz a day. When I'm out riding my horse for a few hours or work out at all, I drink 8-12 more oz to help my leg to keep going. This stuff is great. -Original Message- From: ing...@aol.com [mailto:ing...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
Oscilloscope, measured voltage drop across the 1k resistor. The 10 mA was actually a peak value, rms or average would be half that. One cannot count on getting an accurate measure at that frequency with a digital meter. I found that virtually all the voltage appears across the resistor when one holds the copper tubes with wet cloth on them, and very little voltage occurs across the person. What voltage does occur across the person appears like a big capacitor in parallel with a resistor though, changing the square wave into a wave with very rounded edges. This was some time ago. I may go back and take another look. Marshall blue_eyes wrote: > Hi Marshall, > > What did you use to measure the current of the 30 khz. signal? > Multimeter? Oscilloscope? > > The manual for my multimeter does not indicate frequency ranges > or limits with regard to AC current readings, so I don't have > a clue if it is as accurate at 30 khz. as it is at 60 hz. > > David > > Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > > Alvin Rose wrote: > > > > > Hi Marshall > > > Take your sisters zapper and put a 0 to 1000 microamp meter in series > > > with one lead...look for 50 to 100 microamp current flow in the circuit.. > > > you won't get any current flow as the voltage is too low to overcome the > > > skin > > > resistence > > > > I checked the current flow. Just under 10 milliamps. > > > > > between the surface and arterys in the attatchment points... as a minimum > > > of 27 > > > volts is > > > required..without a current flow there is no electrification. > > > the zapper's output is a 30 kc low level output signal which uses this > > > frequency > > > to > > > kill parasites...My testing verifys what Bob Beck says. > > > all I look for is a common sense explanation as the concept is quite > > > simple > > > do you have any theorys as to why the zapper worked... > > > perhaps it was parasites? or extra low skin resistance.. > > > Alvin > > > > Wet skin have a very low resistance. > > > > Marshall > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- > E-mail: broompi...@netzero.net > Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 > ICQ#... 44960928 > > _NetZero Free Internet Access and Email__ >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
CS>FW: CS>Reversable Blue
I think everyone should see this. I am always concerned when a major list topic turns private for not-clear reasons. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Michael [SMTP:mike...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 11:24 AM To: a...@trail.com Subject:Re: CS>Reversable Blue To all, OK, I have tried to be level headed and tried to give alittle education to you. I give up. I will also tell her Medical MD that the skin graph he took and his diagnosis of agyria where wrong. I am sure he would like to hear that all you on the silver list have stated so. Anytime someone comes along and tries to suggest alittle snag somewhere you all go ballistic. You talk about how the Medical profession just won't listen about CS. Yet when I say I have seen someone with the stain gradually return to there color, that is impossible. Who is the hippocrate here? Mary - Original Message - From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" To: "'Silver List'" Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:23 AM Subject:CS>Reversable Blue > Mary and all, > > Argyria has never been demonstrated to be reversed. > > Therefore, whatever Mary's patients condition, it was not Argyria. [Never > say never, but very low probability] > > Some considerations: Were the affected people in the same geographic > area? Were they using water from the same source? Was it well water > from a small private well? > > Was there any sort of industrial activity in the area where the smurfed > people live? > > Is there a sample of the silver available? Can more of the homemade silver > be made, using the same water as before? > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > FTNWO > > <>
RE: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT)
Oh yes, 10-12 ppm. Sorry. -Original Message- From: ing...@aol.com [mailto:ing...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
Hi Marshall, What did you use to measure the current of the 30 khz. signal? Multimeter? Oscilloscope? The manual for my multimeter does not indicate frequency ranges or limits with regard to AC current readings, so I don't have a clue if it is as accurate at 30 khz. as it is at 60 hz. David Marshall Dudley wrote: > > Alvin Rose wrote: > > > Hi Marshall > > Take your sisters zapper and put a 0 to 1000 microamp meter in series > > with one lead...look for 50 to 100 microamp current flow in the circuit.. > > you won't get any current flow as the voltage is too low to overcome the > > skin > > resistence > > I checked the current flow. Just under 10 milliamps. > > > between the surface and arterys in the attatchment points... as a minimum > > of 27 > > volts is > > required..without a current flow there is no electrification. > > the zapper's output is a 30 kc low level output signal which uses this > > frequency > > to > > kill parasites...My testing verifys what Bob Beck says. > > all I look for is a common sense explanation as the concept is quite simple > > do you have any theorys as to why the zapper worked... > > perhaps it was parasites? or extra low skin resistance.. > > Alvin > > Wet skin have a very low resistance. > > Marshall > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour -- E-mail: broompi...@netzero.net Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 ICQ#... 44960928 _NetZero Free Internet Access and Email__ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
Alvin Rose wrote: > Hi Marshall > I have a clark zapper connected to me now with a microampmeter in series > and I don't get any current..also the maximum safe current flow should be > in the 50 to 100 Microamp levelat 2000 ohms impedence. I will pull out the scope and check it again. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
l had a bad herx reaction to cs that was listed as 22ppm...l had had it about 7mo l think when this happened...l prob took about 1/4c..when l felt like l was getting the flu or some infection..anyway..l msut have ingested too much..l ended up in the ER...with a throbbing headache..and intense pain everywhere..altho no fever...l wont do that again...at the time l didnt associate what was happening to the cs. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Uses..heather?
heather..l am wondering what strength cs you use? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT)
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CS>Re: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
> List: > > Perhaps now is a good time to ask all contributors and lurkers to post any > PERSONAL negative experience with CS. Please be as specific as possible as to > your CS prep as well as the problem(s) encountered and anything else that you > consider relevant. As far as my own experience is concerned, I am unaware of > ANY side effects for myself, or anyone who has taken CS that I've prepared. > > Roger Dear Roger, I`ve found none whatsover, as long as the batteries were working. Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
hi marshall.. l have don's zapper..is that the one your sis used to beat lyme? what type do you and your family ? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Reversable Blue
Hi Mary, 1. We all appreciate education and an exchange of ideas and information. Don't be miffed if your opinion is not accepted as gospel. We on this list often have differing opinions, but generally express them in a friendly and helpful manner. Try adjusting your own attitude and focus on communication, not conflict. You may or may not be correct. We are open to evidence. Where is it? 2. If you are going to be contentious with the people on this list, you better have your ducks in a row. Many of us have been researching this stuff for several years, and have exhausted the available information on the subject. Our bullshit sensors are finely tuned. 3. Why are you giving up? Simply because some folks may have diverse opinions which do not always fit your own. Get used to it. 4. What is a "skin graph"? 5. According to all contemporary and past conventional medical experience, not a single case of Argyria has been reversed. Your patient may be the first, but it is very unlikely. 6. If the Dr. with whom you are working would like to hear from us, give us his contact information, and we will communicate with him. He can drop into the list as you have done, and present his case at any time. 7. The people on this list going ballistic? Check out your own trajectory. 8. Very few in the medical profession will listen to information about silver. This is my experience, even with doctors who are personal friends, and brilliant professionals, and the archive is full of similar experiences by others. Like most people in this society, they are living is someone else's bad dream, and suffering from recto-cranial Ostrichitis. 9. One doctor who has had experience with Ag can be contacted at Argentum Research, on the web, Dr. Bart A. Flick, MD, Orthopedic Surgeon and developer of "Silverlon" about which you will be hearing a great deal in the near future. 10. If your patient was blue and the blue went away it was something other than Argyria. The doctor was wrong. 11. Your whole approach smacks of that of an agent provocateur to me. Are you? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Michael [SMTP:mike...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 11:24 AM To: a...@trail.com Subject:Re: CS>Reversable Blue To all, OK, I have tried to be level headed and tried to give alittle education to you. I give up. I will also tell her Medical MD that the skin graph he took and his diagnosis of agyria where wrong. I am sure he would like to hear that all you on the silver list have stated so. Anytime someone comes along and tries to suggest alittle snag somewhere you all go ballistic. You talk about how the Medical profession just won't listen about CS. Yet when I say I have seen someone with the stain gradually return to there color, that is impossible. Who is the hippocrate here? Mary - Original Message - From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" To: "'Silver List'" Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:23 AM Subject: CS>Reversable Blue > Mary and all, > > Argyria has never been demonstrated to be reversed. > > Therefore, whatever Mary's patients condition, it was not Argyria. [Never > say never, but very low probability] > > Some considerations: Were the affected people in the same geographic > area? Were they using water from the same source? Was it well water > from a small private well? > > Was there any sort of industrial activity in the area where the smurfed > people live? > > Is there a sample of the silver available? Can more of the homemade silver > be made, using the same water as before? > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > FTNWO > ><>
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
Can't say for sure. I built mine according to the instructions in Clark's book for her. For myself, I use a pulse generator set to 10 volts, 30 khz, unipolar with a resistor in the output. Spin a few dials, and I have Beck's unit if I want. Marshall ing...@aol.com wrote: > hi marshall.. l have don's zapper..is that the one your sis used to beat > lyme? what type do you and your family ? > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
Only herx reaction. Marshall rogalt...@aol.com wrote: > List: > > Perhaps now is a good time to ask all contributors and lurkers to post any > PERSONAL negative experience with CS. Please be as specific as possible as to > your CS prep as well as the problem(s) encountered and anything else that you > consider relevant. As far as my own experience is concerned, I am unaware of > ANY side effects for myself, or anyone who has taken CS that I've prepared. > > Roger > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT)
hi susan..is yours 5ppm or more? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT)
did you have any herx reaction to drinking that quantity and that high strength a dose? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
hi marshall..l have no clue how dons zapper compares to all that you listed..do you? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>FW: CS>Reversable Blue
"James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote: > I think everyone should see this. > > I am always concerned when a major list topic turns private for not-clear > reasons. > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > FTNWO > > -Original Message- > From: Michael [SMTP:mike...@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 11:24 AM > To: a...@trail.com > Subject:Re: CS>Reversable Blue > > To all, > OK, I have tried to be level headed and tried to give alittle education to > you. I give up. I will also tell her Medical MD that the skin graph he > took and his diagnosis of agyria where wrong. I am sure he would like to > hear that all you on the silver list have stated so. Anytime someone comes > along and tries to suggest alittle snag somewhere you all go ballistic. > You talk about how the Medical profession just won't listen about CS. Yet > when I say I have seen someone with the stain gradually return to there > color, that is impossible. > Who is the hippocrate here? > Mary I do find this rather odd. Especially since it is the medical community that is the one that claims that argyria is irreversible. Now it seems if we agree with what they say, we are out of line. Odd. I do not know if argyria is irreversible or not. I do know that the medical community says it is, which carry very little weight with me. In fact I alluded to the possibility that chelation might be able to help argyria, maybe in an earlier post. We only have two possibities I can see. 1. argyria is reverable, and the medical community is wrong. The example given was argyria and it reversed. 2. argyria is not reversible, and the example was not argyria. In either case the medical community (or representative) is wrong one way or the other. I think it worthwhile to try and determine which it is. If it is the first choice, that would be great news. If it is the second case then it would be good news as well since it would mean that this example was not argyria. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
No. If he claims it is the Clark zapper, it should be the same. Marshall ing...@aol.com wrote: > hi marshall..l have no clue how dons zapper compares to all that you > listed..do you? > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
You are 1000 to 1 too low for skin effect. Look at: http://www.spectrum-soft.com/news/fall97/skin.html to see graphs of skin effect on a 14 guage wire. As diameter increases the effect decreases, so when you compare the diameter of an arm with a 14 guage wire, you can see the effect is nil at 30 khz. The effect for a 14 guage wire doesn't start until above 1 Mhz. Marshall Alvin Rose wrote: > you're right...but the 50 to 100 microamps as measured in the > blood is where we need it to do the joba 30 khz which might > conduct more current away from the blood vessels in skin effect > is great for parasites. that's makes good sense. > > blue_eyes wrote: > > > Hi Guys... > > > > I was under the impression that the 50 to 100 microamps spec. > > relates to *as measured in the blood*. > > > > At 30 khz., the "skin effect" might conduct most of the usable > > current away form the blood vessels, whereas, at 4 hz. it may be > > more of a direct electrical effect than a frequency dependent > > one. > > > > Regards, > > David > > > > > > Alvin Rose wrote: > > > > > > Hi Marshall > > > Take your sisters zapper and put a 0 to 1000 microamp meter in series > > > with one lead...look for 50 to 100 microamp current flow in the circuit.. > > > > -- > > E-mail: broompi...@netzero.net > > Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 > > ICQ#... 44960928 > > > > NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ > > Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 > > ___ > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Uses..heather?
Actually, I don't know for certain...perhaps Trem can give you a better idea, as I am using the Silvergen CS generator. I recently came across some good distilled water that takes a little over an hour for the light on the generator to come on (indicating conductivity) and I get crystal clear, VERY pale gold CS with what I consider a medium T.E. My best estimate is somewhere between 10 & 15 ppm after 5 hours of generating. Since I follow Trem's instructions as close as possible, I'm assuming it's a good, average brew. Trem, would you be so kind as to comment?? Heather -Original Message- From: ing...@aol.com [mailto:ing...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Uses..heather? heather..l am wondering what strength cs you use? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>cancer cure
The Ultimate Cancer Conspiracy; Vitamin B17 and Laetrile http://www.christianbrothers.com/politics.htm Click here for Christian Brother's view on the present day situation http://www.christianbrothers.com/politics.html Click here for how money rules the decisions and not our well being. http://www.christianbrothers.com/articles.htm by Joe Vialls During 1950 after many years of research, a dedicated biochemist by the name of Dr. Ernst T. Krebs, Jr., (Click for picture) isolated a new vitamin that he numbered B17 and called 'Laetrile'. As the years rolled by, thousands became convinced that Krebs had finally found the complete control for all cancers, a conviction that even more people share today. Back in 1950 Ernst Krebs could have had little idea of the hornet's nest he was about to stir up. The pharmaceutical multinationals, unable to patent or claim exclusive rights to the vitamin, launched a propaganda attack of unprecedented viciousness against B17, despite the fact that hard proof of its efficiency in controlling all forms of cancer surrounds us in overwhelming abundance. In his brilliantly researched 1974 book World Without Cancer (Click here to purchase his book researcher and author G. Edward Griffin explains the trophoblastic theory of cancer proposed by Professor John Beard of Edinburgh University, which states that certain pre-embryonic cells in pregnancy differ in no discernible way from highly-malignant cancer cells. Edwards Griffin continues: "The trophoblast in pregnancy indeed does exhibit all the classical characteristics of cancer. It spreads and multiplies rapidly as it eats its way into the uterus wall preparing a place where the embryo can attach itself for maternal protection and nourishment." The trophoblast is formed in a chain reaction by another cell that Griffin simplifies down to the 'total life' cell, which has the total capacity to evolve into any organ or tissue, or a complete embryo. When the total life cell is triggered into producing trophoblast by contact with the hormone estrogen, present in both males and females, one of two different things happens. In the case of pregnancy the result is conventional development of a placenta and umbilical cord. If the trophoblast is triggered as part of a healing process however, the result is cancer or, as Edward Griffin cautions: "To be more accurate, we should say it is cancer if the healing process is not terminated upon completion of its task." Stunning proof of this claim is readily available. All trophoblast cells produce a unique hormone called the chorionic gonadotrophic (CGH) which is easily detected in urine. Thus if a person is either pregnant or has cancer, a simple CGH pregnancy test should confirm either or both. It does, with an accuracy of better than 92% in all cases. If the urine sample shows positive it means either normal pregnancy or abnormal malignant cancer. Griffin notes: "If the patient is a woman, she either is pregnant or has cancer. If he is a man, cancer can be the only cause." So why all of the expensive, dangerous biopsies carried to 'detect' cancerous growths? One can only assume that medicare pays doctors a larger fee for biopsies than pregnancy tests. So how is it that any of us gets cancer in the first place. Is it exposure to cigarette smoking, intense sunlight or perhaps the effect of toxic food additives? Dr. Krebs thinks not. All of the hard biochemical evidence points to the fact that cancer is a simple deficiency disease of vitamin B17, long ago removed from our highly refined, western diets. Krebs postulates that the so-called 'carcinogens' are merely stress triggers that finally expose the B17 deficiency with devastating effect. The proof Krebs has presented over the years to support his claim is impressive. Centuries ago we used to eat millet bread, rich in B17, but now we chew our way through wheat which has none at all. For generations our grandmothers used to carefully crush the seeds of plums, greengages, cherries, apples, apricots and other members of the botanical family Rosaceae, and diligently mix them with their home made jams and preserves. Grandma probably didn't know why she was doing it, but the seeds of all these fruits are the most potent source of B17 in the world. In the tropics, large quantities of B17 are found in cassava, also known as tapioca. When did you last eat some? Independent research has also proved that a Himalayan tribe known as the 'Hunza' never contract cancer of any kind so long as they stick to their native diet which is exceptionally high in both apricots and millet. However, once exposed to western diets they become as vulnerable as the rest of us. The implications of these findings are staggering of course. If we managed to control Scurvy (vitamin C deficiency) centuries ago, how is it we cannot do the same for cancer today? The fact of the matter is that we cou
Re: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT)
> I drink 16 oz a day. When I'm out riding my horse for a few hours or work > out at all, I drink 8-12 more oz to help my leg to keep going. This stuff is > great. Oooh, a horse!! What breed? Color? Mare or gelding? Do you ride English, western or flat? I sure do want to have another horse. Someday, maybe. I had an Arabian gelding in high school and college, then sold him when I got married. Should have kept the horse, as the husband is now on his way OUT... Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
In a message dated 7/24/00 2:29:35 PM EST, ing...@aol.com writes: << Subj: Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side Date: 7/24/00 2:29:35 PM EST From: ing...@aol.com Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com l had a bad herx reaction to cs that was listed as 22ppm...l had had it about 7mo l think when this happened...l prob took about 1/4c..when l felt like l was getting the flu or some infection..anyway..l msut have ingested too much..l ended up in the ER...with a throbbing headache..and intense pain everywhere..altho no fever...l wont do that again...at the time l didnt associate what was happening to the cs. >> Inga: Why are you so sure that your pain and headache were caused a the herx reaction to CS especially when you seem to be taking a moderate amount, and it happened 7 months after you started taking CS? I thought that a herx reaction was much more likely to occur when you start taking CS not after taking it for 7 months. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
In a message dated 7/24/00 3:05:35 PM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << Subj: Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side Date: 7/24/00 3:05:35 PM EST From: mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Only herx reaction. Marshall rogalt...@aol.com wrote: > List: > > Perhaps now is a good time to ask all contributors and lurkers to post any > PERSONAL negative experience with CS. Please be as specific as possible as to > your CS prep as well as the problem(s) encountered and anything else that you > consider relevant. As far as my own experience is concerned, I am unaware of > ANY side effects for myself, or anyone who has taken CS that I've prepared. > > Roger > >> Marshall: I think it woukld be very instructive for the list if you explain how you went about arriving at the conclusion that the CS caused a herx reaction. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
I actually wrote quite a long piece on this shortly after the doctors killed her with chemo. I had been trying to get mother to take CS as a preventative. She was feeling fine, and continued feeling fine, so refused to take it unless she got to feeling bad. Later when she did start feeling bad, she took CS and it made her sick. I told her it was a herx reaction and indicated she needed to keep taking it. Instead she when to the doctor who ran tests and said she was fine. So even though the herx proved she was very sick, she did nothing. She later went in the hospital and they found she had cancer. The doctor talked her into chemo. I told her it would kill her in a week, that with the beck 4 step protocol and apricot seeds, she would likely be able to get well without even getting sicker. It took 48 hours for the doctor to kill her with chemo. Marshall rogalt...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/24/00 3:05:35 PM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: > > << Subj: Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side > Date: 7/24/00 3:05:35 PM EST > From: mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > Only herx reaction. > > Marshall > > rogalt...@aol.com wrote: > > > List: > > > > Perhaps now is a good time to ask all contributors and lurkers to post any > > PERSONAL negative experience with CS. Please be as specific as possible as > to > > your CS prep as well as the problem(s) encountered and anything else that > you > > consider relevant. As far as my own experience is concerned, I am unaware > of > > ANY side effects for myself, or anyone who has taken CS that I've prepared. > > > > Roger > > >> > > Marshall: I think it woukld be very instructive for the list if you explain > how you went about arriving at the conclusion that the CS caused a herx > reaction. Roger > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
Hi Marshall Take your sisters zapper and put a 0 to 1000 microamp meter in series with one lead...look for 50 to 100 microamp current flow in the circuit.. you won't get any current flow as the voltage is too low to overcome the skin resistence between the surface and arterys in the attatchment points... as a minimum of 27 volts is required..without a current flow there is no electrification. the zapper's output is a 30 kc low level output signal which uses this frequency to kill parasites...My testing verifys what Bob Beck says. all I look for is a common sense explanation as the concept is quite simple do you have any theorys as to why the zapper worked... perhaps it was parasites? or extra low skin resistance.. Alvin Marshall Dudley wrote: > Not according to Beck. But I disagree. I feel they are essentually > equivalent, in fact I personally prefer the zapper. My sister beat lyme using > the zapper for the electrification. > > Marshall > > Katie Jay wrote: > > > Does the Clark zapper count for the blood electrification needed as part of > > Beck's 4-point protocol? > > Thanks > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT)
I have a 4yo Arabian gelding, chestnut with 2 white socks. A real looker, with excellent bloodlines, but harder for me to work with since contracting MS. My neurologist told me I may have to reconsider riding after my dx, but this CS has given me incredible hope. My horse's name is Q-tip.He's bred for endurance, so that's how we ride. Now, as soon as I get my endurance back -Original Message- From: Marsha Hallett [mailto:liah...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 02:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT) > I drink 16 oz a day. When I'm out riding my horse for a few hours or work > out at all, I drink 8-12 more oz to help my leg to keep going. This stuff is > great. Oooh, a horse!! What breed? Color? Mare or gelding? Do you ride English, western or flat? I sure do want to have another horse. Someday, maybe. I had an Arabian gelding in high school and college, then sold him when I got married. Should have kept the horse, as the husband is now on his way OUT... Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Uses
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:19:21 EDT, writety...@aol.com wrote: >Hi, I know there are long lists of potential applications for CS but I >wondered >if those of you who have been successful would consider creating a thread, if >such hasn't been done, of your uses and results. What have you used CS >for and what was the outcome? Okay, here are some of our uses. Spray and gel for acne (on the boys). Same for rashes (picked up from nettles, thistles and other plants in the fields). CS in the water bowls for wild animals seems to have cured a case of distemper in a raccoon. It's kept the non-household cats and dogs from getting it. (Explanation: We have 6 cats and 2 dogs, but strays seem to like it around here. Our cats and dogs have their shots and are fixed -- the strays have unknown shot status.) Several stray cats showed up with terrible coughs. All are healthy now. In addition to that, CS in the water keeps algae from growing so the water is always clean (not that the dogs care :) We use CS on the open wounds that cats seem to get. That's after having one cat (a few years ago) with a wound that hadn't healed for several weeks. I sprayed the wound with CS for two days -- after that it didn't need it as it had mostly healed. I've sprayed CS on many flowering plants and small trees that had various kinds of infection (fungus, microscopic bugs or whatever -- I don't know). The infections went away in all cases. (I also ran tests by spraying some plants with CS and others with distilled water. The CS plants all survived and flourished, the distilled water plants all died.) Unfortunately, I can't say that CS has stopped all colds, etc. around here, as I can't get everyone to consistently use CS. However, when the boys start getting a cold, they use CS and the cold goes away. We haven't had the flu or other major infections around here in many years. If there are spills or animal mishaps around, the areas get sprayed with CS after everything's cleaned up (don't know if it helps any, but we've had no problems doing this). -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT)
10-12 -Original Message- From: ing...@aol.com [mailto:ing...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT) hi susan..is yours 5ppm or more? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT)
Not at all. -Original Message- From: ing...@aol.com [mailto:ing...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 01:00 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Uses..Susan..what strength cs do you use? (NT) did you have any herx reaction to drinking that quantity and that high strength a dose? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
In a message dated 7/24/00 4:47:00 PM EST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: << Subj: Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side Date: 7/24/00 4:47:00 PM EST From: mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com I actually wrote quite a long piece on this shortly after the doctors killed her with chemo. I had been trying to get mother to take CS as a preventative. She was feeling fine, and continued feeling fine, so refused to take it unless she got to feeling bad. Later when she did start feeling bad, she took CS and it made her sick. I told her it was a herx reaction and indicated she needed to keep taking it. Instead she when to the doctor who ran tests and said she was fine. So even though the herx proved she was very sick, she did nothing. She later went in the hospital and they found she had cancer. The doctor talked her into chemo. I told her it would kill her in a week, that with the beck 4 step protocol and apricot seeds, she would likely be able to get well without even getting sicker. It took 48 hours for the doctor to kill her with chemo. Marshall >> Marshall: Yes, I remember that you wrote about it a while ago. Sorry to have brought it up again. It must be very painful to think about. Perhaps someone reading your account today will follow your suggested protocol and a life will be saved this time. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
Hi Alvin, On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:45:06 -0700, Alvin Rose wrote: >Take your sisters zapper and put a 0 to 1000 microamp meter in series >with one lead...look for 50 to 100 microamp current flow in the circuit.. (A DC meter won't show anything with a Zapper and an AC meter is highly inaccurate -- you need a 'scope for measurements.) >you won't get any current flow as the voltage is too low to overcome the skin >resistence >between the surface and arterys in the attatchment points... as a minimum of 27 >volts is >required..without a current flow there is no electrification. If you're talking about DC current, you're correct. However, when you get above a few Hz AC, that's incorrect. The electrical resistance of the body quickly builds to DC (a few hundred microseconds) due, apparently, to the body's capacitance. This resistance is "overcome" by the pulses produced by the Zapper. >the zapper's output is a 30 kc low level output signal which uses this >frequency >to >kill parasites...My testing verifys what Bob Beck says. >all I look for is a common sense explanation as the concept is quite simple >do you have any theorys as to why the zapper worked... >perhaps it was parasites? or extra low skin resistance.. I agree that the 30 kc (kHz) of the Zapper is too high. A much lower pulse frequency should be used, roughly around 600 to 1000 Hz. The reason is to produce the wide range of frequencies needed to "zap" all the parasites. (A square wave pulse is a combination of all frequencies from the base frequency and all odd multiples and combinations of the base frequency.) -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
Hi Marshall, On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:46:10 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: >30 Khz is way too low for skin effect to occur. Umm, nope. One or two kHz has little skin effect, but there's still some. As you go up in frequency the skin effect becomes more pronounced, and by the time you're up a few octaves (100 kHz and up) almost all the current is skin effect. At around 4 MHz, I've drawn arcs from 200+ W transmitters over my body without even feeling it (old tube transmitters using 1500 V power supplies). -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Fw: CS>FW: CS>Reversable Blue
My apologies, I hit reply and it went to your email instead of the list. It was not done purposely. It was meant to go to the list. Notice the heading says to all... Mary - Original Message - From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" To: "'Silver List'" Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:15 PM Subject: CS>FW: CS>Reversable Blue > I think everyone should see this. > > I am always concerned when a major list topic turns private for not-clear > reasons. > > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > FTNWO > > > -Original Message- > From: Michael [SMTP:mike...@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 11:24 AM > To: a...@trail.com > Subject: Re: CS>Reversable Blue > > To all, > OK, I have tried to be level headed and tried to give alittle education to > you. I give up. I will also tell her Medical MD that the skin graph he > took and his diagnosis of agyria where wrong. I am sure he would like to > hear that all you on the silver list have stated so. Anytime someone comes > along and tries to suggest alittle snag somewhere you all go ballistic. > You talk about how the Medical profession just won't listen about CS. Yet > when I say I have seen someone with the stain gradually return to there > color, that is impossible. > Who is the hippocrate here? > Mary > - Original Message - > From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" > To: "'Silver List'" > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:23 AM > Subject: CS>Reversable Blue > > > > Mary and all, > > > > Argyria has never been demonstrated to be reversed. > > > > Therefore, whatever Mary's patients condition, it was not Argyria. [Never > > say never, but very low probability] > > > > Some considerations: Were the affected people in the same geographic > > area? Were they using water from the same source? Was it well water > > from a small private well? > > > > Was there any sort of industrial activity in the area where the smurfed > > people live? > > > > Is there a sample of the silver available? Can more of the homemade > silver > > be made, using the same water as before? > > > > James Osbourne Holmes > > a...@trail.com > > FTNWO > > > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
Hi Marshall I have a clark zapper connected to me now with a microampmeter in series and I don't get any current..also the maximum safe current flow should be in the 50 to 100 Microamp levelat 2000 ohms impedence. Marshall Dudley wrote: > Alvin Rose wrote: > > > Hi Marshall > > Take your sisters zapper and put a 0 to 1000 microamp meter in series > > with one lead...look for 50 to 100 microamp current flow in the circuit.. > > you won't get any current flow as the voltage is too low to overcome the > > skin > > resistence > > I checked the current flow. Just under 10 milliamps. > > > between the surface and arterys in the attatchment points... as a minimum > > of 27 > > volts is > > required..without a current flow there is no electrification. > > the zapper's output is a 30 kc low level output signal which uses this > > frequency > > to > > kill parasites...My testing verifys what Bob Beck says. > > all I look for is a common sense explanation as the concept is quite simple > > do you have any theorys as to why the zapper worked... > > perhaps it was parasites? or extra low skin resistance.. > > Alvin > > Wet skin have a very low resistance. > > Marshall > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
you're right...but the 50 to 100 microamps as measured in the blood is where we need it to do the joba 30 khz which might conduct more current away from the blood vessels in skin effect is great for parasites. that's makes good sense. blue_eyes wrote: > Hi Guys... > > I was under the impression that the 50 to 100 microamps spec. > relates to *as measured in the blood*. > > At 30 khz., the "skin effect" might conduct most of the usable > current away form the blood vessels, whereas, at 4 hz. it may be > more of a direct electrical effect than a frequency dependent > one. > > Regards, > David > > > Alvin Rose wrote: > > > > Hi Marshall > > Take your sisters zapper and put a 0 to 1000 microamp meter in series > > with one lead...look for 50 to 100 microamp current flow in the circuit.. > > -- > E-mail: broompi...@netzero.net > Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 > ICQ#... 44960928 > > NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_ > Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 > ___ > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
I use a Sencore sc-60 oscilloscope blue_eyes wrote: > Hi Marshall, > > What did you use to measure the current of the 30 khz. signal? > Multimeter? Oscilloscope? > > The manual for my multimeter does not indicate frequency ranges > or limits with regard to AC current readings, so I don't have > a clue if it is as accurate at 30 khz. as it is at 60 hz. > > David > > Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > > Alvin Rose wrote: > > > > > Hi Marshall > > > Take your sisters zapper and put a 0 to 1000 microamp meter in series > > > with one lead...look for 50 to 100 microamp current flow in the circuit.. > > > you won't get any current flow as the voltage is too low to overcome the > > > skin > > > resistence > > > > I checked the current flow. Just under 10 milliamps. > > > > > between the surface and arterys in the attatchment points... as a minimum > > > of 27 > > > volts is > > > required..without a current flow there is no electrification. > > > the zapper's output is a 30 kc low level output signal which uses this > > > frequency > > > to > > > kill parasites...My testing verifys what Bob Beck says. > > > all I look for is a common sense explanation as the concept is quite > > > simple > > > do you have any theorys as to why the zapper worked... > > > perhaps it was parasites? or extra low skin resistance.. > > > Alvin > > > > Wet skin have a very low resistance. > > > > Marshall > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > -- > E-mail: broompi...@netzero.net > Fax to: 1-253-681-1133 > ICQ#... 44960928 > > _NetZero Free Internet Access and Email__ >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: CS>Agent provocateur, was Reversable Blue
Hi Bob, friends, > Went looking back over my own archives to find "Michael" or "Mary". > Way back. Sure did, doing the same thing they or he/she are doing > now. Take it for what its worth. :-) Really don't think you will get > any relevant information from them. Playing list-owner here, I need to call a minor technical foul: Something like an accusation of agent provacateur status ought to be directed to me rather than to the list. I would like to consult *privately* with Bob Lee and examine his evidence a bit. Please, Bob? I've also had contact with "mary" who shares that account with a person named "Michael" -- no mystery there, it turns out. She's in a tough spot since we don't know enough details of the cases she cites or of her practice and expertise to be able to evaluate them, and her, for ourselves. Until the time comes that we do, I counsel patience with one another. Okay? I don't doubt that there *will* be an upper limit found for safe consumption of silver products -- perhaps not for the low concentration, small particle CS that most of us are making, but perhaps for the high ppm stuff of some of the other vendors, or merely the well known dangers of silver compounds. Since our results will tend to be judged together with these others in the court of public opinion, it behooves us to document the cases and the distinctions between them. We ought to examine Mary's reports closely. If she's a provocateur it will come out, I'm sure. If not, I'd like to know we made sure we knew what was happening. We need more information, which we will not get by adversarial means. I respectfully request her cooperation, and all of yours. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Uses..heather?
Hi Heather, What volume of water are you using? Where is the dial set to if you're using the SG6? If you're using the SG5, it will be different. Let me know and I'll give you a ballpark figure. Trem www.silvergen.com Constant Current Colloid Generators At 01:40 PM 7/24/00 -0700, you wrote: Actually, I don't know for certain...perhaps Trem can give you a better idea, as I am using the Silvergen CS generator. I recently came across some good distilled water that takes a little over an hour for the light on the generator to come on (indicating conductivity) and I get crystal clear, VERY pale gold CS with what I consider a medium T.E. My best estimate is somewhere between 10 & 15 ppm after 5 hours of generating. Since I follow Trem's instructions as close as possible, I'm assuming it's a good, average brew. Trem, would you be so kind as to comment?? Heather -Original Message- From: ing...@aol.com [mailto:ing...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Uses..heather? heather..l am wondering what strength cs you use? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Ten Reasons to Throw out your Microwave Oven
from: http://www.healthfree.com/paa/paa0001.htm Health Freedom Resources Radiation Ovens The Proven Dangers of Microwaves Is it possible that millions of people are ignorantly sacrificing their health in exchange for the convenience of microwave ovens? Why did the Soviet Union ban the use of microwave ovens in 1976? Who invented microwave ovens, and why? The answers to these questions may shock you into throwing your microwave oven in the trash. Over 90% of American homes have microwave ovens used for meal preparation. Because microwave ovens are so convenient and energy efficient, as compared to conventional ovens, very few homes or restaurants are without them. In general, people believe that whatever a microwave oven does to foods cooked in it doesn't have any negative effect on either the food or them. Of course, if microwave ovens were really harmful, our government would never allow them on the market, would they? Would they? Regardless of what has been "officially" released concerning microwave ovens, we have personally stopped using ours based on the research facts outlined in this article. The purpose of this report is to show proof - evidence - that microwave cooking is not natural, nor healthy, and is far more dangerous to the human body than anyone could imagine. However, the microwave oven manufacturers, Washington City politics, and plain old human nature are suppressing the facts and evidence. Because of this, people are continuing to microwave their food - in blissful ignorance - without knowing the effects and danger of doing so. How do microwave ovens work? Motherly instincts are right Microwaves unsafe for baby's milk Microwaved blood kills patient Scientific evidence and facts The Swiss clinical study According to Dr. Hertel Industry's action to hide the truth Who invented microwave ovens? Carcinogens in microwaved food Microwave sickness is discovered Microwave research conclusions CANCER-CAUSING EFFECTS DECREASE IN FOOD VALUE BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF EXPOSURE Forensic Research Conclusions Ten Reasons to Throw out your Microwave Oven How do microwave ovens work? Microwaves are a form of electromagnetic energy, like light waves or radio waves, and occupy a part of the electromagnetic spectrum of power, or energy. Microwaves are very short waves of electromagnetic energy that travel at the speed of light (186,282 miles per second). In our modern technological age, microwaves are used to relay long distance telephone signals, television programs, and computer information across the earth or to a satellite in space. But the microwave is most familiar to us as an energy source for cooking food. Every microwave oven contains a magnetron, a tube in which electrons are affected by magnetic and electric fields in such a way as to produce micro wavelength radiation at about 2450 Mega Hertz (MHz) or 2.45 Giga Hertz (GHz). This microwave radiation interacts with the molecules in food. All wave energy changes polarity from positive to negative with each cycle of the wave. In microwaves, these polarity changes happen millions of times every second. Food molecules - especially the molecules of water - have a positive and negative end in the same way a magnet has a north and a south polarity. In commercial models, the oven has a power input of about 1000 watts of alternating current. As these microwaves generated from the magnetron bombard the food, they cause the polar molecules to rotate at the same frequency millions of times a second. All this agitation creates molecular friction, which heats up the food. The friction also causes substantial damage to the surrounding molecules, often tearing them apart or forcefully deforming them. The scientific name for this deformation is "structural isomerism". By comparison, microwaves from the sun are based on principles of pulsed direct current (DC) that don't create frictional heat; microwave ovens use alternating current (AC) creating frictional heat. A microwave oven produces a spiked wavelength of energy with all the power going into only one narrow frequency of the energy spectrum. Energy from the sun operates in a wide frequency spectrum. Many terms are used in describing electromagnetic waves, such as wavelength, amplitude, cycle and frequency: Wavelength determines the type of radiation, i.e. radio, X-ray, ultraviolet, visible, infrared, etc. Amplitude determines the extent of movement measured from the starting point. Cycle determines the unit of frequency, such as cycles per second, Hertz, Hz, or cycles/second. Frequency determines the number of occurrences within a given time period (usually 1 second); The number of occurrences of a recurring process per unit of time, i.e. the number of repetitions of cycles per second. Radiation = spreading energy with electromagnetic waves Radiation, as defined by physics terminology, is "the electromagnetic waves emitted by the atoms and molecules of a radioactive substance as a result of nuclear decay." Radi
CS>Agent provocateur, was Reversable Blue
Hi James and all, This exchange has made me very curious. So went looking for the good Doctor Boericke and his book. Wasn't easy but it was found. It took a search on "google" ,an internet search engine Yes folks there is more to the net than WWW. WWW is a small part of the net. Google is one of the original search engines from when the military set up the first net, and it still works. :-) William Boericke, MD, was born 1849 and passed on 1929. The book in question was printed in 1927. It has never been revised or updated. Several reprints have been done over the years, nine, since the copyright ran out, making it free to use. Went looking back over my own archives to find "Michael" or "Mary". Way back. Sure did, doing the same thing they or he/she are doing now. Take it for what its worth. :-) Really don't think you will get any relevant information from them. Bless you Bob Lee "James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote: > Hi Mary, > > 1. We all appreciate education and an exchange of ideas and information. > Don't be miffed if your opinion is not accepted as gospel. We on this > list often have differing opinions, but generally express them in a > friendly and helpful manner. Try adjusting your own attitude and focus on > communication, not conflict. You may or may not be correct. We are open to > evidence. Where is it? > 2. If you are going to be contentious with the people on this list, you > better have your ducks in a row. Many of us have been researching this > stuff for several years, and have exhausted the available information on > the subject. Our bullshit sensors are finely tuned. > 3. Why are you giving up? Simply because some folks may have diverse > opinions which do not always fit your own. Get used to it. > 4. What is a "skin graph"? > 5. According to all contemporary and past conventional medical experience, > not a single case of Argyria has been reversed. Your patient may be the > first, but it is very unlikely. > 6. If the Dr. with whom you are working would like to hear from us, give us > his contact information, and we will communicate with him. He can drop > into the list as you have done, and present his case at any time. > 7. The people on this list going ballistic? Check out your own trajectory. > 8. Very few in the medical profession will listen to information about > silver. This is my experience, even with doctors who are personal friends, > and brilliant professionals, and the archive is full of similar experiences > by others. Like most people in this society, they are living is someone > else's bad dream, and suffering from recto-cranial Ostrichitis. > 9. One doctor who has had experience with Ag can be contacted at Argentum > Research, on the web, Dr. Bart A. Flick, MD, Orthopedic Surgeon and > developer of "Silverlon" about which you will be hearing a great deal in > the near future. > 10. If your patient was blue and the blue went away it was something other > than Argyria. The doctor was wrong. > 11. Your whole approach smacks of that of an agent provocateur to me. > Are you? > > James Osbourne Holmes > a...@trail.com > FTNWO -- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Reversable Blue
In a message dated 7/24/00 8:20:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, myf...@mwt.net writes: << James, et al, The silver used was WaterOZ.The person in question got the diagnosis of Argyria from one Dr. (purely by looks, no tests or blood work were ever done, from what I was told) went to a 2nd Dr for a 2nd opinion, and THAT Dr. did not feel that it was Argyria, and also ran blood tests etc, as I remember. >> Hi all, I just read this posting. Yes WaterOz is ionic and is higher in parts per million than colloidal and is suppose to be smaller particle sizes. This is one reason I have taken it for over a year now as of May 30th 1999. I have taken as much as a cup a day of it for two months and then I dropped down on my intake to half. I have taken about 7 gallons total in the last year and I have a hard time believing it would turn anyone blue. I am still pink and my lyme symptoms have stayed in remission. I am working now and when I tell people of my experience with Lyme they can't believe it because I am stronger and healthier than most at work. I never have to call in sick and am always there. I have been very pleased with WaterOz silver and couldn't ask for a better product. I workout on a regular basis and even go to the tanning salon. Wouldn't the tanning have an adverse effect if the silver was effecting my skin? This was discussed once on this list a long time ago. I have had no problems at all. If someone is having skin problems there must be something else going on I think. The silver might be having a reaction with something else they are taking would be my guess. I can only speak of my experience though. Just my 2 cents. Janis -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Lyme&silverCheck out http://www.escape.ca/~revive/burgd.txt
http://www.escape.ca/~revive/burgd.txt";>Click here: http://www.escape.ca/~revive/burgd.txt -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Beck's protocol
he doesnt claim that l dont think..he made it but l am not sure. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Web bugs: Nearly undetectable tracking device raises concern
from: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/2712/tc/nearly_undetectable_tracking_dev ice_raises_concern_3.html Wednesday July 12 08:00 PM EDT Nearly undetectable tracking device raises concern By Stefanie Olsen, CNET News.com A widely used, yet virtually undetectable, means of tracking people's Internet surfing habits is joining its better-known cousin, the cookie, as the subject of several lawsuits and a privacy initiative by the government. The technology, often called Web bugs or 1-pixel gifs, is prompting further concern that the once-freewheeling Web is becoming more like an Orwellian Big Browser. Like cookies, Web bugs are electronic tags that help Web sites and advertisers track visitors' whereabouts in cyberspace. But Web bugs are invisible on the page and are much smaller, about the size of the period at the end of this sentence. A Web bug "is like a beacon, so that every time you hit a Web page it sends a ping or call-back to the server saying 'Hi, this is who I am and this is where I am,'" said Craig Nathan, chief technology officer for privacy start-up Meconomy.com and former technical liaison for Personify. Most computers have cookies, which are placed on a person's hard drive when a banner ad is displayed or a person signs up for an online service. Savvy Web surfers know they are being tracked when they see a banner ad. But people can't see Web bugs, and anti-cookie filters won't catch them. So the Web bugs wind up tracking surfers in areas online where banner ads are not present or on sites where people may not expect to be trailed. That was the case last month when the White House ordered its drug policy office to stop using Web bugs on the government's anti-drug site Freevibe.com. Following the mandate, the Clinton administration issued strict new rules regulating federal use of the technology, which can surreptitiously collect personal information. Web bugs can "talk" to existing cookies on a computer if they are both from the same Web site or advertising company, such as DoubleClick, which uses bugs and dominates the online advertising market. That means, for example, that if a person visited Johnson & Johnson's YourBaby Web site, which uses DoubleClick Web bugs, the bug would read the visitor's DoubleClick cookie ID number, which shows the past online behavior for that computer. The information would then go back to DoubleClick. Ad networks and agencies say cookies and other tracking devices are used to help both consumers and Web sites. Under fire from privacy advocates, ad executives have consistently said the information collected is kept private and is the sole property of the company that is being advertised. The "evil" of Web bugs But privacy advocates see an insidious side to the tiny tag. "The danger of that is that if you were going to a site on yeast infections, the second it loads up, before the screen loads, somewhere in the world the fact that you visited the site is now registered. That's the evil of Web bugs," said Ira Rothken, a lawyer at the technology-oriented Rothken Law Firm, based in San Rafael, Calif. The problem is magnified, he said, when a company can tie your cookie number to personal identifying information such as a phone number and address. This became a real concern last November when DoubleClick bought Abacus Direct, a company that holds detailed consumer profiles on more than 90 percent of U.S. households. Syncing DoubleClick's database about Net surfers with personally identifiable data set off a firestorm of criticism, as well as a government inquiry. DoubleClick has since dropped plans to link the databases until there is agreement between government and the industry on appropriate standards. "Web bugs were developed to not let you know (you're being tracked) and for the simple design aspect of an invisible dot," Nathan said. Rothken filed a consumer Internet privacy suit against DoubleClick in February, and there are three other similar suits against the ad network. Also in February, the state attorney general in Michigan began legal proceedings against DoubleClick. The attorney general claimed the company had violated consumer protection laws by not telling Web visitors that DoubleClick regularly put cookies and Web bugs on their hard drives. The other side of the coin is that Web bugs, like cookies, can be useful. For consumers, cookies can store passwords and other sign-on information. For Web sites, Web bugs can help better manage content by knowin
Re: CS: Is there a Dark (Gray?) Side
hi roger..l didnt say l had been taking it consistently for 7mo..but that l had it for 7mo..l have only recently started taking it on a daily basis..and l take 5ppm..1oz...and l have had no herx reaction. the pain was so intense..it felt like the worst flu...but not the flu..no fever..or chest anything..lt was an intense herx reaction..l have had a light one before..this one was just magnified...it was my own fault..for guzzling it. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Uric Acid
I now have a swollen foot from uric acid crystals. Reading Dr. Clarks newest book she treats high uric acid with about 30 mg of Folic Acid per day for 21 days? Have any one tried this treatment? Did you buy the 800mcg capsules? I am getting sick of eating cherries and they aren't doing that good. Bob I haven't had a chance to answer your latest letter but, the TE of the Cs could only really be seen inside a closet not on the table. Brickey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Uric Acid
You can get 10% folic acid crystals from Beyond A Century in 30 gram containers. It's pretty cheap. You'll have to figure the math to get your dosage right ie. 30 grams x 10%=3gramsfolicacid/container, 30mg=.03gramsfolicacid, so there are 100 doses of 30mg per container. http://www.beyond-a-century.com/ Chuck I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improved the world and a desire to enjoy the world. This makes it hard to plan the day. On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:12:56 EDT, brick...@aol.com wrote: >I now have a swollen foot from uric acid crystals. Reading Dr. Clarks newest >book she treats high uric acid with about 30 mg of Folic Acid per day for 21 >days? Have any one tried this treatment? Did you buy the 800mcg capsules? >I am getting sick of eating cherries and they aren't doing that good. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS OT Horses and other nice things!
> I have a 4yo Arabian gelding, chestnut with 2 white socks. A real looker, > with excellent bloodlines, but harder for me to work with since contracting > MS. My neurologist told me I may have to reconsider riding after my dx, but > this CS has given me incredible hope. My horse's name is Q-tip.He's bred for > endurance, so that's how we ride. Now, as soon as I get my endurance > back Believe me, riding is the next best thing for MS, second only to CS! (IMHO) My gelding was named Markuba, and he was a blood-bay GGson of Witez II, one of the horses rescued with the Lippizaners by the Americans just after WWII. Disney`s "Miracle of the White Stallions" flick tells of that, but neglects the Arabians and several other breeds also rescued. Email me with Q-Tip`s bloodlines, willya?? I`m fascinated... Do you know of Khemosabi?? He`s MINE... Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & Sinus
Hi Lurker Sherree, On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:45:21 -0600, "T. REX" wrote: >This isn't CS, we use CS for other things. For sinus infections we swear by >Tea >Tree oil. It is also called Mellaluca. You can vaporize it by putting three >drops oil in a cup of water and bring almost to a boil. Breathe in till cool. > I >do it the lazy way, I put a few drops on a q-tip then apply it inside by >nostrils. >You can also use Eucalyptus oil. I have never talked to anyone it didn't help, >and usually immediately. I agree about the melaleuca oil (though I haven't tried eucalyptus). It works *when the sinus passage is open,* but doesn't do a thing when it's blocked. (My nasal spray is 1/2 normal saline, 1/2 CS and 10 drops of melaleuca in a 1/2 ounce spray bottle.) -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS>cancer cure
Marshall Christianbrothers.com. I got "web pages could not be displayed." wong -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
