date:20011010

If you are not selling it, there is no problem. Yet at least.

Marshall

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

> Evening Marshall,
>
> At 02:11 PM 10/10/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >I got a letter from the FTC which said that I could not put any
> >testimonials on my site at all, mine or anyone elses.  They said I would
> >be fined $12,000 a day if I didn't take them off if I remember right.
>
>Was this on CS only?  How about Cholesterol lowering products that I am
> not even selling?
>
>Wayne
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Re: CS>re: got no answer on the FDA

Of course it is.  What else is new?

Marshall

Steven Geigle wrote:

> Marshall...what FDA administrative rule specifies we can not have anecdotes,
> testimonials on the netIsn't this an infringement on our 1st amendment
> rights of free speech?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>re: got no answer on the FDA
>
> I got a letter from the FTC which said that I could not put any testimonials
> on my site at all, mine or anyone elses.  They said I would be fined $12,000
> a day if I didn't take them off if I remember right.
>
> Marshall
>
> Ted Windsor wrote:
>
> > What you can do is use your own testiomal, they cannot stop you from doing
> this, you can make a claim what has worked for you, and the word you could
> use is (this (may) also work for you) when applying the claim to others.
> > Blessings
> > Ted
> >
> > Ode Coyote wrote:
> >
> > > It probably is illegal to use testimonials and make health claims, at
> least without a prominant disclaimer.
> > > Maybe Alisons Apothecary will comment on thier experience with the goon
> squads?
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > At 08:03 AM 10/9/01 EDT, you wrote:
> > > 
> > >
> > >  Hi Mike, I posted this message before and got no answers. Could you
> answer my question? I live in NYC and am going to sell CS generators. I know
> the FDA has made it illegal to list health claims on bottled colloidal
> silver. I also know that it is illegal for people selling medicinal herbs to
> make health claims or prescribe their herbs for specific conditions. Is it
> legal for sellers of the CS generators to make health claims for colloidal
> silver? Is it illegal to use other people's testimonials?
> > >  Thanks
> > >
> > > 
> > >
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> silver.
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RE: CS turning black

2001-10-10 Thread Ed Kasper

I heated eight ounces of distilled water in a microwave for five minutes
(pretty hot) and used my 3-nine volt batteries for 45 minutes and the water
turned very golden. I disconnected the wires and set the CS aside and within
an hour it turned very dark. It tasted very metallic. I had cleaned (with a
clean towel) the silver leads, and I did not see any large metal flakes, the
liquid was clear just very dark.


ed


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CS>No Testimonials on Website

2001-10-10 Thread Wayne Fugitt


Evening Marshall,

At 02:11 PM 10/10/2001 -0400, you wrote:
I got a letter from the FTC which said that I could not put any 
testimonials on my site at all, mine or anyone elses.  They said I would 
be fined $12,000 a day if I didn't take them off if I remember right.


  Was this on CS only?  How about Cholesterol lowering products that I am 
not even selling?


  Wayne



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CS>Minimum intake

2001-10-10 Thread Joe Fleck

Anyone want to offer any ideas as to the minimum daily amount of 5-7ppm
CS you'd think would be adequate in the case of a bio-attack? thanks,
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CS>The Atom and I, or, Silver can't kill my cells, Pt 4

2001-10-10 Thread Tai-Pan



Greetings Chivalrous Defenders of the CS art,
 To make this even more remarkable, the various trace minerals,
including molybdenum and cobalt, seem to be essential to every cell. Divide
up one two-thousandth of an once of these materials among fifty trillion
cells in the human body and its a miserably small trace of a trace that
is supplied each. Surely, you would think the cells could do without it.
 But that is only if we persist in thinking in terms of ordinary
weight units instead of in atoms. In the average cell, there are, very
roughly speaking, some 40 molybdenum and cobalt atoms for every billion
molecules. Now lets make a new table for molybdenum and cobalt atoms.
 Table 5
 Cell  
Number of Molybdenum
   
and Cobalt atoms
   Amoeba 
6,800,000,000
   Human liver cell 
2,800,000
   Human red blood cell
144,000
   Human spermatozoon  
27,200
   Largest bacterium
11,200
   Smallest bacterium  
32
 
 Mind you, the cells listed are not necessarily "average". I am
quite certain that the liver cell contains more than the average share
of these atoms and the red blood cells less than an average share; just
as earlier the spermatozoon undoubtedly contained more than an average
share of macromolecules. However, I firmly refuse to quibble over small
things which do not change the overall picture.
 As you see, the trace minerals are not so sparse after all. An
amoeba possesses them by the billions of atoms and a human body cell by
the millions. Even the larger bacteria posses them by the thousands.
 The smallest bacteria, however, have only a couple dozen of them,
and this fits in well with my earlier  conclusion that the tiniest
bacteria may have , on the average, 25 enzymes for each reaction. Cobalt
and molybdenum (and other trace metals) are essential because they are
key bits of important enzymes. Allowing one atom per enzyme molecule, there
are only a couple of dozen such molecules, all told, in the smallest bacterium.
 But here we can sense that we are approaching a lower limit.
The number of different enzymes is not likely to be distributed with perfect
eveness. There will be more than a couple dozen in some cases and less
than a couple dozen in others. Only one or two of the rarest of certain
key enzymes may be present. If a cell had a volume of less than 0.02 cubic
microns, the chances would be increasingly good that some key enzymes would
find themselves jostled out altogether; with that, growth and multiplication
would cease.
 Therefore, it is reasonable to suppose that the smallest bacteria
visible under a good optical microscope are actually the smallest bits
of matter into which all the characteristic processes of life can be squeezed.
Such bacteria represent, by this way of thinking, the limit of compactness
as far as life is concerned.
 But what about organisms still smaller than the smallest bacteria
that, lacking some essential enzyme or enzymes, do not, under ordinary
conditions, grow and multiply ?
Granted they are not independently alive, can they yet be considered
as fully nonliving ?
 Before answering, consider that such tiny organisms (which we
can call subcells) retain the potentiality of growth and multiplication.
The potentiality can be made an actuality once the missing enzyme or enzymes
are supplied, and these can only be supplied by a complete and living cell.
A subcell, therefore, is an organism that possesses the ability to invade
a cell and there, within the cell, to grow and multiply, utilizing the
cells enzymatic equipment to flesh out its own shortcomings.
 The largest of the subcells are the rickettsiae, named after
Howard Ricketts (an American pathologist) who in 1909 discovered that insects
(ticks) were the transmitting agents of Rocky Mountain spotted fever, a
disease produced by such subcells.
 The smaller rickettsiae fade off into the viruses, there being
no sharp dividing line, and the smaller viruses lap over, in size, the
genes, which are found in the nuclei of cells and which, in their virus
like structure, carry genetic information.
 Now, in considering the subcells, lets abandon the cubic micron
as a measure of volume, because its too big and we will run into tiny decimals.
Instead lets use the cubic millimicron. For you new (modern) people its
the cubic nanometer. The millimicron is 1/1000 of a micron.  A cubic
millimicron (cubic nanometer) is, therefore, 1/1000 times 1/1000 times
1/1000, or one-billionth of a cubic micron. Or a cubic nanometer is one-billionth
of the cubic micron. Thats right, there are one billion cubic nanometers
in a cubic micron. Thats small!
 In other words, the smallest bacterium, with a volume of 0.02
cubic microns, can also be said to have

CS>Emergency Asthma Help

2001-10-10 Thread Gladys Williams


Dear List-I live in NYC and spoke with a close friend in Miami
Florida who has been hospitalized 5 times in 6 months for asthma.
He was a preemie and was BLINDED at birth due to the oxygen 
concentration. He is understandably afraid to use it.. 

He had a nebulizer, but lost it along with the contents of his Apt.
while he was in the hospital a few days ago.  A friend took him in 
so he has a place to stay.  If I can find him another nebulizer---it 
pumps air--will it be as effective without the oxygen??

He has had asthma since he was a baby--so this will be a great 
CS testimonial.  Please send the formula for Asthma relief as simply
as possible, because I will have to explain it and he or his new room-
mate will have to administer treatment.  

Also-is there anyone in Miami that maybe he could just go to and 
purchase some decent CS immediately (cheap)? ...Gladys  

PS  I have been a list member for several months and I am still 
not making my own CS.  I have been reading all the posts and 
have the instructions for making different types of hook-ups.
However, I want a machine that allows me to make a gallon of 
high quality CLEAR -- CS.  My family will not drink purple or 
green or yellow CS.  I will be making CS for 20-25 people.  I
want it to automatically stir and shut-off.  I also want it to stay 
stay clear for at least a couple of months.  I think I need to use the
HVAC  method-- Do you think a semi clutz can do this without 
electrocuting myself  Vendors please e-mail me privately at 
gw...@juno.com








  


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RE: CS>Skin pinch to test for dehydration -- a question

2001-10-10 Thread JudytheK

Thanks Josephine. I've even gotten off my BP meds -- the doctor, of course,
was treating the symptom of dehydration and never asked a single question --
did the pinch test and ignored the fact that the skin stayed up!
Judy Down Maine
  -Original Message-
  From: Josephine [mailto:joseph...@poidogs.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:56 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>Skin pinch to test for dehydration -- a question

  I don't think there is a timing thing to the skin pinch.
  If your skin stays pinched, it means that you are dehydrated.
  Same with a dog, if the skin on the back of his neck stays up after you
have released it,
  the dog is dehydrated.
  All it means is that your body needs lots of water.
  Many folks don't drink the amount of water they are supposed to drink per
day anyway.
  Better drink my water now.
  Josephine
  Hawaii

Could someone knowledgeable explain how to do the back-of-the hand skin
pinch and what the "timing" is? Before I began drinking enough water,
the
skin on the back of my hand stayed pinched! Now it returns to normal
almost
instantly. Judy Down Maine

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CS>FDA Warning Letters

2001-10-10 Thread Steven Geigle

I did a search at the FDA Warning Letter page and found only this under  a
search for "silver".  Nothing was found when searching for colloidal silver.

FOIA WARNING LETTERS SEARCH


Matters described in FDA warning letters may have been subject to subsequent
interaction between FDA and the recipient of the letter that may have
changed the regulatory status of the issues discussed in the letter. If you
wish to obtain available additional information on the current status of an
issue in a particular warning letter or notice of violation on this website,
please contact the Agency or the recipient of the letter directly. Inquiries
to FDA should be sent to: Food and Drug Administration Freedom of
Information Staff (HFI-35), 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20857.
Instructions for how to submit an FOI request can be found at
http://www.fda.gov/opacom/backgrounders/foiahand.html.




Warning Letters Index -
Search Form Results Company Name  Date Issued  Issuing Office  Subject  File
Arzol Chemical Company 4/15/99 New England District Office CGMP
Deviations/Silver Nitrate Applicators View File



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CS>re: got no answer on the FDA

2001-10-10 Thread Steven Geigle

Marshall...what FDA administrative rule specifies we can not have anecdotes,
testimonials on the netIsn't this an infringement on our 1st amendment
rights of free speech?

- Original Message -
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: CS>re: got no answer on the FDA


I got a letter from the FTC which said that I could not put any testimonials
on my site at all, mine or anyone elses.  They said I would be fined $12,000
a day if I didn't take them off if I remember right.

Marshall

Ted Windsor wrote:

> What you can do is use your own testiomal, they cannot stop you from doing
this, you can make a claim what has worked for you, and the word you could
use is (this (may) also work for you) when applying the claim to others.
> Blessings
> Ted
>
> Ode Coyote wrote:
>
> > It probably is illegal to use testimonials and make health claims, at
least without a prominant disclaimer.
> > Maybe Alisons Apothecary will comment on thier experience with the goon
squads?
> > Ken
> >
> > At 08:03 AM 10/9/01 EDT, you wrote:
> > 
> >
> >  Hi Mike, I posted this message before and got no answers. Could you
answer my question? I live in NYC and am going to sell CS generators. I know
the FDA has made it illegal to list health claims on bottled colloidal
silver. I also know that it is illegal for people selling medicinal herbs to
make health claims or prescribe their herbs for specific conditions. Is it
legal for sellers of the CS generators to make health claims for colloidal
silver? Is it illegal to use other people's testimonials?
> >  Thanks
> >
> > 
> >
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silver.
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Re: CS>FAQ Update

2001-10-10 Thread M. G. Devour

> I think I'll send these selected FAQs together with their answers to
> Mike, and let him decide what to do with them since, in the end,
> that's what will happen anyway.

I'm looking forward to them, Roger. Thank you for the work you're
putting in. It lets me focus on some cool aspects of the list's future.

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CS>Skin pinch to test for dehydration -- a question

2001-10-10 Thread Josephine

I don't think there is a timing thing to the skin pinch.
If your skin stays pinched, it means that you are dehydrated.
Same with a dog, if the skin on the back of his neck stays up after you have 
released it,
the dog is dehydrated.
All it means is that your body needs lots of water.
Many folks don't drink the amount of water they are supposed to drink per day 
anyway.
Better drink my water now.
Josephine
Hawaii

  Could someone knowledgeable explain how to do the back-of-the hand skin
  pinch and what the "timing" is? Before I began drinking enough water, the
  skin on the back of my hand stayed pinched! Now it returns to normal almost
  instantly. Judy Down Maine


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Re: CS>New forum for ideas

2001-10-10 Thread CKing001

There's a list called mind-l focused on mind machines, light/sound devices and
programming.
The FAQ and subscribe instructions are at http://www.aquathought.com/mind-l/

Chuck
We aren't disorganized--we have an organization which is beyond comprehension!

On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:13:57 +1000, damian  wrote:

>Dr Monroe is the name that most people associate with this sought of 
>technology. It has however been around longer than this in various forms. 
>Drums used in ritual work along with the use of mantras have a similar effect 
>of inducing the mind into an altered state. There have been allot of
>advancements since the days of using simple cassettes. Light and sound 
>machines are not the simple devices they use to be; consisting of only a 
>stereo oscillator to induce trance. If your interested in this sought of 
>thing feel free to join the insight forum and take a look at the initial 
>offering on the site. Theres not much there at the moment but it will rapidly 
>grow.

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Re: CS>re: got no answer on the FDA

Until you know who you are, my assuming the liability will do you no good, for 
it is you that must address the court, but only when you know your rights. I 
know who I am and I do not have a problem with any bureaucrat.
Blessings
Ted

Marshall Dudley wrote:

> Sounds good to me.  Send me a hold harmless, where you assume the liability 
> of $12,000 a day until we get it settled (and documentation to support that 
> you have the funds to do this), and I will do so.
>
> Marshall
>
> Ted Windsor wrote:
>
> > Tell them to whistle Dixe, anyone can tell others what they feel happen to 
> > their body by taking whatever product. Do you tell others if you enjoyed a 
> > good movie? Can someone charge you for saying that you liked the movie?  No 
> > one can tell you different.  If they try to charge you, ask them if they 
> > have a Claim against you, if they don't how can they charge you?
> > Blessings
> > Ted
> >
> > Marshall Dudley wrote:
> >
> > > I got a letter from the FTC which said that I could not put any 
> > > testimonials on my site at all, mine or anyone elses.  They said I would 
> > > be fined $12,000 a day if I didn't take them off if I remember right.
> > >
> > > Marshall
> > >
> > > Ted Windsor wrote:
> > >
> > > > What you can do is use your own testiomal, they cannot stop you from 
> > > > doing this, you can make a claim what has worked for you, and the word 
> > > > you could use is (this (may) also work for you) when applying the claim 
> > > > to others.
> > > > Blessings
> > > > Ted
> > > >
> > > > Ode Coyote wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It probably is illegal to use testimonials and make health claims, at 
> > > > > least without a prominant disclaimer.
> > > > > Maybe Alisons Apothecary will comment on thier experience with the 
> > > > > goon squads?
> > > > > Ken
> > > > >
> > > > > At 08:03 AM 10/9/01 EDT, you wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > >  Hi Mike, I posted this message before and got no answers. Could 
> > > > > you answer my question? I live in NYC and am going to sell CS 
> > > > > generators. I know the FDA has made it illegal to list health claims 
> > > > > on bottled colloidal silver. I also know that it is illegal for 
> > > > > people selling medicinal herbs to make health claims or prescribe 
> > > > > their herbs for specific conditions. Is it legal for sellers of the 
> > > > > CS generators to make health claims for colloidal silver? Is it 
> > > > > illegal to use other people's testimonials?
> > > > >  Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >
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> >
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Re: CS>FAQ Update

In a message dated 10/10/2001 3:06:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
wolfcre...@earthlink.net writes:

> Subj:Re: CS>FAQ Update
> Date:10/10/2001 3:06:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:wolfcre...@earthlink.net (wolfcreek1)
> Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> >Therefore, the answers I'm preparing will reflect a healthy respect for 
>> what we DON'T know, but, at the same time, will attempt to provide 
>> reasonable guidance that will serve as a good starting point for the 
>> beginner. 
>> 
>> Roger
>>  
>> Hi Roger ~
>>  
>> Just wanted to thank you for all your time, effort, and consideration.  
>> ALL of us newbies appreciate it! =)
>>  
>> Julie & Critters
>> 
> 
> 

Julie: Even though we may not know much about CS from a scientific viewpoint, 
you'll see that there's a lot LESS than meets the eye when it comes to having 
the confidence to use it LIBERALLY for almost anything. For example, I never 
would have thought to use it for poison ivy, but my neighbor didn't hesitate 
to recommend CS to a friend who was suffering terribly from it. Upshot: by 
the next day he felt like a new man. Yet, we have no clue why it works in 
that situation. Roger

Re: CS>re: got no answer on the FDA

Sounds good to me.  Send me a hold harmless, where you assume the liability of 
$12,000 a day until we get it settled (and documentation to support that you 
have the funds to do this), and I will do so.

Marshall

Ted Windsor wrote:

> Tell them to whistle Dixe, anyone can tell others what they feel happen to 
> their body by taking whatever product. Do you tell others if you enjoyed a 
> good movie? Can someone charge you for saying that you liked the movie?  No 
> one can tell you different.  If they try to charge you, ask them if they have 
> a Claim against you, if they don't how can they charge you?
> Blessings
> Ted
>
> Marshall Dudley wrote:
>
> > I got a letter from the FTC which said that I could not put any 
> > testimonials on my site at all, mine or anyone elses.  They said I would be 
> > fined $12,000 a day if I didn't take them off if I remember right.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > Ted Windsor wrote:
> >
> > > What you can do is use your own testiomal, they cannot stop you from 
> > > doing this, you can make a claim what has worked for you, and the word 
> > > you could use is (this (may) also work for you) when applying the claim 
> > > to others.
> > > Blessings
> > > Ted
> > >
> > > Ode Coyote wrote:
> > >
> > > > It probably is illegal to use testimonials and make health claims, at 
> > > > least without a prominant disclaimer.
> > > > Maybe Alisons Apothecary will comment on thier experience with the goon 
> > > > squads?
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > > At 08:03 AM 10/9/01 EDT, you wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > >  Hi Mike, I posted this message before and got no answers. Could 
> > > > you answer my question? I live in NYC and am going to sell CS 
> > > > generators. I know the FDA has made it illegal to list health claims on 
> > > > bottled colloidal silver. I also know that it is illegal for people 
> > > > selling medicinal herbs to make health claims or prescribe their herbs 
> > > > for specific conditions. Is it legal for sellers of the CS generators 
> > > > to make health claims for colloidal silver? Is it illegal to use other 
> > > > people's testimonials?
> > > >  Thanks
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
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> > > > silver.
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> > > Helping Hand Consulting
> > > http://www.helpinghandconsulting.com
>
> --
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Re: CS>re: got no answer on the FDA

Tell them to whistle Dixe, anyone can tell others what they feel happen to 
their body by taking whatever product. Do you tell others if you enjoyed a good 
movie? Can someone charge you for saying that you liked the movie?  No one can 
tell you different.  If they try to charge you, ask them if they have a Claim 
against you, if they don't how can they charge you?
Blessings
Ted

Marshall Dudley wrote:

> I got a letter from the FTC which said that I could not put any testimonials 
> on my site at all, mine or anyone elses.  They said I would be fined $12,000 
> a day if I didn't take them off if I remember right.
>
> Marshall
>
> Ted Windsor wrote:
>
> > What you can do is use your own testiomal, they cannot stop you from doing 
> > this, you can make a claim what has worked for you, and the word you could 
> > use is (this (may) also work for you) when applying the claim to others.
> > Blessings
> > Ted
> >
> > Ode Coyote wrote:
> >
> > > It probably is illegal to use testimonials and make health claims, at 
> > > least without a prominant disclaimer.
> > > Maybe Alisons Apothecary will comment on thier experience with the goon 
> > > squads?
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > At 08:03 AM 10/9/01 EDT, you wrote:
> > > 
> > >
> > >  Hi Mike, I posted this message before and got no answers. Could you 
> > > answer my question? I live in NYC and am going to sell CS generators. I 
> > > know the FDA has made it illegal to list health claims on bottled 
> > > colloidal silver. I also know that it is illegal for people selling 
> > > medicinal herbs to make health claims or prescribe their herbs for 
> > > specific conditions. Is it legal for sellers of the CS generators to make 
> > > health claims for colloidal silver? Is it illegal to use other people's 
> > > testimonials?
> > >  Thanks
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal 
> > > silver.
> > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: 
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> >
> > --
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> > http://www.helpinghandconsulting.com

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CS>Colloidal Silver vs. Anthrax

2001-10-10 Thread Black



Colloidal Silver vs. Anthrax, the Bio-terrorism Weapon of Choice




We do not claim that colloidal silver treats or cures any disease. These
kinds of claims can be made only about drugs which have been approved by the
FDA. Colloidal silver has not been so approved. Please keep this disclaimer
in mind as you read the following information.

Our colloidal silver is a suspension of minute silver particles in water. It
has been shown to act as an antibiotic against many pathogens. It has been
used to kill bacteria, virus, yeast, mold and fungus for many years. Since
it is harmless, it can be used liberally without fear of toxicity.





The New War Against a New Enemy
Since the terrible events of 9/11/2001, America has been forced to look the
possibility of biological terrorism in the face and make preparations to
deal with it. It is no longer a fantasy of novels and movies but a real
probability, even here in the homeland. There are primarily two agents being
mentioned as likely weapons of choice by our deranged enemy. They are
Smallpox and Anthrax. Smallpox has been virtually eliminated from the face
of the earth by the successful vaccination campaign of the last century.
There are only a few samples remaining in a heavily guarded CDC (Center for
Disease Control) facility in Atlanta, Georgia. Anthrax, on the other hand,
is readily available, especially in the middle east and Asia in the vast
populations of wild and domesticated animals. Another name for Anthrax is
"wool sorters disease." The existence of this pseudonym is indication of the
ready availability of this deadly agent to the enemy. It can safely be
deduced that the subject of biological warfare waged by an enemy from the
middle east can be aptly be named "Anthrax Warfare."

What is Anthrax and How does it work?
Anthrax is an infectious, often fatal, disease associated with animal
contact (mostly farm animals) and which, today, is rarely seen in the United
States but still exists in Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Anthrax is
caused by the bacterium, Bacillus anthracis. It is a disease of sheep,
cattle, horses, goats, and swine. Human infection, though rare, is an
occupational disease of farm workers, veterinarians, and tannery and wool
workers.

The disease has a skin form (cutaneous anthrax) and a pulmonary form
(inhalation anthrax). In the cutaneous form, the infection is transmitted
through a break in the skin. After lesions form and the dead tissue and
crusts fall off, infection may spread through the bloodstream and cause
shock, cyanosis, sweating, and collapse. The incidence is 1 out of 100,000
people.

In the pulmonary form, infection occurs by breathing in anthrax spores. The
resultant pneumonia rapidly causes respiratory distress followed by death.
Meningitis can also develop. The incidence of inhalation anthrax is very
rare [assuming it is not intentionally spread]

Because anthrax spores remain infectious for many years, the disease can be
picked up from old animal products such as sheep skins, wool blankets, and
so on. Because the spores are long lasting and the incubation is short and
disability is severe, experimentation with anthrax as a biological weapon
has been common.

What are the Symptoms?
a reddish brown sore that breaks open and forms a scab
fever
chills
general discomfort, uneasiness, or ill feeling (malaise)
headache
nausea & vomiting
shortness of breath
cough
congestion of the nose and throat
pneumonia
chest pain
joint stiffness
joint pain
How is it Conventionally Treated?
According to "The Literature," this is the prescribed treatment for Anthrax.
Pay special attention to the prognosis which follows.

The objective of treatment is to cure the infection with antibiotics.
Penicillin or tetracycline are used for mild cutaneous disease. Note:
tetracycline is usually not prescribed for children until after all their
permanent teeth have come in, because it can permanently discolor teeth that
are still forming. Penicillin is the usual medication; however, it often
must be given intravenously.

Prognosis
Pulmonary and meningeal anthrax are usually (90%) fatal despite antibiotic
therapy and intensive care.





If an Anthrax attack occurs, the last thing to do will be to rush to the
hospital. You will not be able to get within blocks of a hospital as they
will be swamped with panicked people seeking the treatment which is only 10%
effective for the pulmonary (inhalation) form which will likely be used. If
you are in that line, you will likely die.

In my opinion, the better course to take is to avoid inhalation of the
ambient air and inhale, instead, an agent in mist form which is shown to
kill this agent on contact. I would also spray it liberally on the skin if
you may have been exposed.

Re: CS> Parasite cleanse

2001-10-10 Thread wolfcreek1

> Hello Jullie & Critters,
> How did you do this parasite cleanse? Which product did you use and what
protocol?
> Thanks
> Jef

Jef ~

I sent our protocol that you've probably already gotten.  Hulda Clark says
all patients that are dis-eased always have parasites.  I find it strange
that we regularly worm our animals and occassionally see worms in their
stools, yet no traditional doctor has ever asked me for a fecal sample or
wormed me!  Students in Japan are wormed 3 times/year in the schools...

Julie & Critters


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Re: CS>re: got no answer on the FDA

I got a letter from the FTC which said that I could not put any testimonials on 
my site at all, mine or anyone elses.  They said I would be fined $12,000 a day 
if I didn't take them off if I remember right.

Marshall

Ted Windsor wrote:

> What you can do is use your own testiomal, they cannot stop you from doing 
> this, you can make a claim what has worked for you, and the word you could 
> use is (this (may) also work for you) when applying the claim to others.
> Blessings
> Ted
>
> Ode Coyote wrote:
>
> > It probably is illegal to use testimonials and make health claims, at least 
> > without a prominant disclaimer.
> > Maybe Alisons Apothecary will comment on thier experience with the goon 
> > squads?
> > Ken
> >
> > At 08:03 AM 10/9/01 EDT, you wrote:
> > 
> >
> >  Hi Mike, I posted this message before and got no answers. Could you 
> > answer my question? I live in NYC and am going to sell CS generators. I 
> > know the FDA has made it illegal to list health claims on bottled colloidal 
> > silver. I also know that it is illegal for people selling medicinal herbs 
> > to make health claims or prescribe their herbs for specific conditions. Is 
> > it legal for sellers of the CS generators to make health claims for 
> > colloidal silver? Is it illegal to use other people's testimonials?
> >  Thanks
> >
> > 
> >
> > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver.
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CS>Current Density

2001-10-10 Thread George Martin

 Current per unit cross-sectional area is known as current density. 
It is expressed in amperes per square meter or fractions thereof. 
Current density can also be expressed in amperes per circular mil. 
The greater the current in a conductor, the higher the current
density.

 For ease of calculation let's say you have square electrodes  that
measure 1 mm each side and are 100 mm in length.  The surface area
them will measure 1mm x 100mm x 4 sides = 400 mm^2 (400 square mm). 

 If you pass a current of 400 mA through this electode, the CURRENT
DENSITY can be found by dividing the current by the area (400 mA /
400 mm^2) and will equal 1 mA / mm^2 (one mA per square mm) 

 The above calculation is for a single elecrode.  Most use 2 so to
get the actual current density of your setup you will need to divide
the calculated current density by 2 which would give a current
density of 500 uA per mm^2.

Regards,
George Martin

=>Could you please explain. That is a term that i have never heard
of before. 
=>Thanks

=>Damian


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Re: CS>parasite cleanse - Zappers

2001-10-10 Thread wolfcreek1

> I have used the worming and zapper mentioned by Dr. Clark, and it works.

Paula ~

Did you make your zapper or buy it?

Thanks!

Julie & Critters


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Re: CS>FAQ Update

2001-10-10 Thread wolfcreek1

  >Therefore, the answers I'm preparing will reflect a healthy respect for what 
we DON'T know, but, at the same time, will attempt to provide reasonable 
guidance that will serve as a good starting point for the beginner. 

  Roger

  Hi Roger ~

  Just wanted to thank you for all your time, effort, and consideration.  ALL 
of us newbies appreciate it! =)

  Julie & Critters

CS>Anthrax FAQs

What is anthrax? 

Anthrax is an acute infectious disease caused by the spore-forming bacterium 
Bacillus anthracis. Anthrax most commonly occurs in wild and domestic lower 
vertebrates (cattle, sheep, goats, camels, antelopes, and other herbivores), 
but it can also occur in humans when they are exposed to infected animals or 
tissue from infected animals.

Why has anthrax become a current issue? 
Because anthrax is considered to be a potential agent for use in biological 
warfare, the Department of Defense (DoD) has begun mandatory vaccination of 
all active duty military personnel who might be involved in conflict.
How common is anthrax and who can get it? 

Anthrax is most common in agricultural regions where it occurs in animals. 
These include South and Central America, Southern and Eastern Europe, Asia, 
Africa, the Caribbean, and the Middle East. When anthrax affects humans, it 
is usually due to an occupational exposure to infected animals or their 
products. Workers who are exposed to dead animals and animal products from 
other countries where anthrax is more common may become infected with B. 
anthracis (industrial anthrax). Anthrax in wild livestock has occurred in the 
United States.

How is anthrax transmitted? 

Anthrax infection can occur in three forms: cutaneous (skin), inhalation, and 
gastrointestinal. B. anthracis spores can live in the soil for many years, 
and humans can become infected with anthrax by handling products from 
infected animals or by inhaling anthrax spores from contaminated animal 
products. Anthrax can also be spread by eating undercooked meat from infected 
animals. It is rare to find infected animals in the United States.

What are the symptoms of anthrax? 

Symptoms of disease vary depending on how the disease was contracted, but 
symptoms usually occur within 7 days. 
Cutaneous: Most (about 95%) anthrax infections occur when the bacterium 
enters a cut or abrasion on the skin, such as when handling contaminated 
wool, hides, leather or hair products (especially goat hair) of infected 
animals. Skin infection begins as a raised itchy bump that resembles an 
insect bite but within 1-2 days develops into a vesicle and then a painless 
ulcer, usually 1-3 cm in diameter, with a characteristic black necrotic 
(dying) area in the center. Lymph glands in the adjacent area may swell. 
About 20% of untreated cases of cutaneous anthrax will result in death. 
Deaths are rare with appropriate antimicrobial therapy. 
Inhalation: Initial symptoms may resemble a common cold. After several days, 
the symptoms may progress to severe breathing problems and shock. Inhalation 
anthrax is usually fatal. 
Intestinal: The intestinal disease form of anthrax may follow the consumption 
of contaminated meat and is characterized by an acute inflammation of the 
intestinal tract. Initial signs of nausea, loss of appetite, vomiting, fever 
are followed by abdominal pain, vomiting of blood, and severe diarrhea. 
Intestinal anthrax results in death in 25% to 60% of cases. 

Where is anthrax usually found? 

Anthrax can be found globally. It is more common in developing countries or 
countries without veterinary public health programs. Certain regions of the 
world (South and Central America, Southern and Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa, 
the Caribbean, and the Middle East) report more anthrax in animals than 
others.

Can anthrax be spread from person-to-person? 

Direct person-to-person spread of anthrax is extremely unlikely to occur. 
Communicability is not a concern in managing or visiting with patients with 
inhalational anthrax. 

Is there a way to prevent infection? 
In countries where anthrax is common and vaccination levels of animal herds 
are low, humans should avoid contact with livestock and animal products and 
avoid eating meat that has not been properly slaughtered and cooked. Also, an 
anthrax vaccine has been licensed for use in humans. The vaccine is reported 
to be 93% effective in protecting against anthrax. 
What is the anthrax vaccine? 
The anthrax vaccine is manufactured and distributed by BioPort, Corporation, 
Lansing, Michigan. The vaccine is a cell-free filtrate vaccine, which means 
it contains no dead or live bacteria in the preparation. The final product 
contains no more than 2.4 mg of aluminum hydroxide as adjuvant. Anthrax 
vaccines intended for animals should not be used in humans.

Who should get vaccinated against anthrax? 
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices has recommend anthrax 
vaccination for the following groups: 

Persons who work directly with the organism in the laboratory 
Persons who work with imported animal hides or furs in areas where standards 
are insufficient to prevent exposure to anthrax spores. 
Persons who handle potentially infected animal products in high-incidence 
areas. (Incidence is low in the United States, but veterinarians who travel 
to work in other countries where incidence is higher should consider being 
vaccinat

Re: CS>re Nebulizer

In a message dated 10/10/2001 1:25:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dsawa...@mb.sympatico.ca writes:

> Subj:CS>re Nebulizer
> Date:10/10/2001 1:25:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:dsawa...@mb.sympatico.ca (Dave Sawatzky)
> Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Roger
>  
> The Omron Nebulizer does not require oxygen or external compressor.
> It has a built in air pump, runs on 115 volts, and comes with all 
> accessories required to make a very fine mist. Also included is a video 
> tape showing how to use it and clean it.
>  
> Dave
> 
> 
> 

Dave. Thanks. It sounds very attractive for the money. I assume you're quite 
satisfied with it. Would you care to add anything, either positive or 
negative? Roger

Re: CS>Anthrax Protection Update: Dr. Mercola

2001-10-10 Thread Rob G

Marshall wrote:
That statement is totally meaningless.  Where is the data? How was the
> experiment preformed?  What was the ppm and nature of the colloid?  Was
the
> anthrax in the active stage or the spore stage?  Was the culture in a gel
with
> the CS. We know that CS does not do anything inside of a gel since it has
no
> mobility.

In addition to the above how many believe any information from the cia?
Rob

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CS>FAQ Update

List: 

I'm starting to write the answers to suggested FAQs. Ken has helped me with 
the LVDC CS "do it yourself" part. Perhaps a dozen FAQs have been completed. 
In order to minimize controversy, I think I'll send these selected FAQs 
together with their answers to Mike, and let him decide what to do with them 
since, in the end, that's what will happen anyway.

As a general guideline, I'm provide answers that are as broad as possible, 
while still (I hope) helpful to the newbie. Frankly, most of what we think we 
know is speculative. For example, there is essentially no scientific evidence 
that supports favoring one CS formulation, or preparation method over 
another. Therefore, the answers I'm preparing will reflect a healthy respect 
for what we DON'T know, but, at the same time, will attempt to provide 
reasonable guidance that will serve as a good starting point for the beginner.

Roger

Re: CS>New Forum Up and Going

How does one sign up for this site, there is no place at the site to do this?
Ted

damian wrote:

> Ok this is the last email regarding the new technology forum to be posted on
> CS forum. I've set up the club at yahoo which can be found at the following
> link. I'll let those interested sign up as I have had quite a few replies and
> the admin system is not that great.
>
> http://au.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/damiansinsight
>
> I've also finished the first part of the mind machine section on the site.
> The site is called "Insight" and can be found at
>
> http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~damiandd1/index.html
>
> Please visit the site so you can get started and develop some thoughts
>
> >From here on in its a roller coaster.
>
> Take care and god's speed
> damian
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Re: CS>re: got no answer on the FDA

What you can do is use your own testiomal, they cannot stop you from doing 
this, you can make a claim what has worked for you, and the word you could use 
is (this (may) also work for you) when applying the claim to others.
Blessings
Ted

Ode Coyote wrote:

> It probably is illegal to use testimonials and make health claims, at least 
> without a prominant disclaimer.
> Maybe Alisons Apothecary will comment on thier experience with the goon 
> squads?
> Ken
>
> At 08:03 AM 10/9/01 EDT, you wrote:
> 
>
>  Hi Mike, I posted this message before and got no answers. Could you 
> answer my question? I live in NYC and am going to sell CS generators. I know 
> the FDA has made it illegal to list health claims on bottled colloidal 
> silver. I also know that it is illegal for people selling medicinal herbs to 
> make health claims or prescribe their herbs for specific conditions. Is it 
> legal for sellers of the CS generators to make health claims for colloidal 
> silver? Is it illegal to use other people's testimonials?
>  Thanks
>
> 
>
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Re: CS>New forum for ideas

2001-10-10 Thread Trem

Hi Damian,

Me too..I designed an alpha wave brain detector and started the first
biofeedback store in the U.S. back in 1973.   That was in San Francisco.
Guess what?  The FDA came around and tried to shut us down because we were
using an electronic device to pick the brain waves up and make them audible
so people could get a handle on how to make the brain "resonate" at the
alpha frequency (10 Hz ).  They said we came under the "Cosmetic act" and
that only doctors could connect anything to the body.  At the time I asked
if someone held a thermometer in their hand and by doing some special thing
with their mind that would allow them to either raise or lower the
temperature would that also come under the act?  He said that our device
wasn't a thermometer but was electronic.  I told him it wasn't putting any
electricity into the body but was only an indicator ( or receiver ).  They
didn't care.  We were hounded out of business by them and the California
state equivalent of the FDA.

A few years later the atmosphere regarding feedback devices was lifted a bit
but it was really scary to have big bro come on at the time like we were
criminals by allowing people to listen to their brain rhythm.

Scuse my rambling.  I do have electronic experience and would love to be
part of your project if I can squeeze enough time in.

Trem

Trem

- Original Message -
From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: CS>New forum for ideas

> Interested here too
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> >damian wrote:
> >
> >> I'm thinking of starting up a forum while i put together a site on
esoteric
> >> thoughts and devices. This site will be strictly practical with
schematics
> >> and hands on stuff. Such topics will be devices to talk to the dead,
> >> levitation, devices to induce deep trance and altered state, allong
with
> much
> >> more. I wasnt orriginally going to put this info out simply because i
> wanted
> >> to try it out myself and have fun, but also were a bit scared as to
what it
> >> could do in the wrong hands, but the way the world is and my budget i
think
> >> now is a good time to discuss such stuff and share information. What i
have
> >> at the moment is a whole lot of interelated ideas that when put
together
> make
> >> a beautiful picture and are a testament to how great god is. When i say
> god i
> >> dont mean any god bellonging to a specific religion. too me god is the
> whole
> >> its that simple. Anyhow the reason im writing this email is to see if
> any are
> >> interested. It would be a great help if people who are handy with
> electronics
> >> joined allong with alternative thinking people. Some of the ideas are
not
> >> new, and probably in the short term will be drawing allot on others
> matarial
> >> while i gather together my own for brousing. ANyhow I want to know
peoples
> >> thoughts.
> >>
> >> Ok all take care
> >> damian
> >>
> >> PS I myself know only a little electronics so dont feel intimidated or
> >> stupid. All thoughts are welcome.
> >>
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CS>re Nebulizer

2001-10-10 Thread Dave Sawatzky

Roger

The Omron Nebulizer does not require oxygen or external compressor.
It has a built in air pump, runs on 115 volts, and comes with all accessories 
required to make a very fine mist. Also included is a video tape showing how to 
use it and clean it.

Dave

Re: CS>Anthrax & Detox

2001-10-10 Thread George Martin

If that were true there wouldn't be a pulmonary form of anthrax.

George


=>Ode Coyote wrote:
=>
=>>   I get the impression that anthrax does not replicate in the
lungs, so,
=>> the dose must be large enough for the inhaled spores to make a
lethal dose
=>> of toxins.
=>>  True or false?
=>> Ken



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Re: CS>Anthrax & Detox

I believe that would be false.  Reason is that the antibiotic they are giving 
for
anthrax is tetracycline if I remember right. Tetracycline does not kill 
bacteria,
it only keeps them from dividing until the immune system can clear them out.

Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:

>   I get the impression that anthrax does not replicate in the lungs, so,
> the dose must be large enough for the inhaled spores to make a lethal dose
> of toxins.
>  True or false?
> Ken
>
> At 11:54 AM 10/9/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >It is my understanding that the toxins kill the tissue where the anthrax is.
> >So the tissue under attack would be the lung tissue. I am not sure any detox
> >would help in that situation.  The key I believe is to kill the anthrax
> before
> >it has a chance to generate many toxins.  I am still of the opinion that
> >nebulized CS would be one of the better protocols.
> >
> >I heard on MSNBC last night that it would take about 10,000 spores in the
> lungs
> >to be fatal.  However since they also called anthrax a virus, I am not very
> >confident of their knowledge or ability to report accurately.
> >
> >Marshall
> >
> >wolfcreek1 wrote:
> >
> >> It is my understanding that CS would effectively work in place of an
> >> antibiotic, but that most anthrax cases die because of the overload of
> >> toxins in the body.  From my limited understanding of CS, I believe it does
> >> help detox, but am wondering what others would consider in conjunction with
> >> CS to help detox the anthrax quickly enough, so as to not overload the
> >> system.
> >>
> >> I'm thinking about fresh essiac tea, as it detoxes the liver and kidneys,
> >> and purifies the blood.  Any other thoughts out there?
> >>
> >> Julie & Critters
> >>
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Re: CS>Silver Patendet

I don't think it would hold up in court, both because it was already in use, 
and it is obvious to anyone skilled in the art.

Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:

> ## Looks like he patented an HVAC constant stir generator.
> Question, Will that hold up in court if the device was already in common use 
> before the patent was applied for.
> ie: He didn't invent it and he patented a machine...not the process.
> ..and, any variation at all makes the patent unapplicable...such as, using a 
> smaller container without a hinged lid.
>
> Ken
>
> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?TERM1=6214299&Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=0&f=S&l=50
>
> An apparatus and method for producing colloidal silver. A large-volume 
> container, such as a fifteen
> gallon container, includes a hinged lid on which a rotational impeller is 
> mounted along with several
> sets of electrodes that are electrically connected to a power transformer. 
> The container is partially
> filled with water, and when the lid is closed, the sets of electrodes are 
> disposed in communication
> with the water in a predetermined arrangement, and the impeller resides 
> submerged in the water.
> Certain of the electrodes constitute silver wire. The power transformers 
> convey current to the
> electrodes, preferably alternating current, at voltages sufficient to cause 
> silver particles to separate
> from the silver wire and enter the solution in a stable, suspended state. The 
> impeller is rotated,
> preferably continuously, to prevent the suspended silver from remaining in 
> upper levels of the water,
> thereby dispersing the silver particles more uniformly throughout the volume 
> of water.
>
> Inventors:
> Holladay; Robert J. (490 E. 1200 N., Logan, UT 84341); Christensen; Herbert
> (816 Cottonwood Cir., Alpine, UT 84004); Moeller; William D. (70 W. Canyon
> Crest Rd., Suite D, Alpine, UT 84004)
> Appl. No.:
> 323310
> Filed:
> June 1, 199
>
> At 05:16 PM 10/9/01 -, you wrote:
> 
>
>  Some time passed, but I did found out the CS that can be
>  found at
>  http://www.libertyconnection.net
>  IS patented.
>  The patend number is: 6214299
>
>  Goran Sujansky
>  http://www.libertyconnection.net
>
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Re: CS homeopathy

rogalt...@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/9/2001 5:06:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> mdud...@execonn.com writes:
>
> Marshall: I found at least one reference that stipulates that swimming
> pool water can be cleansed with 40 PPB CS and 300 PPB copper. Assuming
> a reasonable safety margin for both the CS and copper, we're probably
> talking about 10-20 PPB CS as still being somewhat active at least to
> prevent bacterial growth. That would constitute a dilution of about
> 200X-400X, or as low as a quarter ounce of 4 PPM CS in a gallon of
> water. Certainly still in the ballpark of a non-homeopathic CS
> concentration. Roger

Yes. As I have pointed out before, if the CS kill rate exceeds the
pathogen multiplication rate, it will not be able to survive in the long
term.  In nearly pure water there is so little nutrients for anything to
consume, the multiplication rate will be extremely low, thus very small
amounts of CS would be required.  What I was referring to is the
statement that shaking it up will make it stronger.  That is typical of
how a homeopathic is made, dilute and shake.

Marshall

Re: CS>New forum for ideas

2001-10-10 Thread Jim Meissner

Dear damian:

I would be very interested.

>This site will be strictly practical with schematics
> and hands on stuff. Such topics will be devices to talk to the dead,
> levitation, devices to induce deep trance and altered state, along with
much
> more.
I have spent over 15 years studying and building such devices except for the
levitation part.  Have not had much luck with that yet.

My background is in electrical engineering and hands on practical stuff.
Check out my website about binaural beat generators and brain state changes.
I have done a lot of brain wave analysis to develop these frequencies.  And,
on the other hand I have developed the ability to do "hands on healing" and
made the lame to walk again.  Please understand what a conflict this
presents to the engineer in me!

Juergen P. (Jim) Meissner
Check out my Website at www.MeissnerResearch.com
Read about the benefits of the Brain State Synchronizer sounds for improving
your life and health.
- Original Message -
From: damian 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 12:03 PM
Subject: CS>New forum for ideas


> I'm thinking of starting up a forum while i put together a site on
esoteric
> thoughts and devices. This site will be strictly practical with schematics
> and hands on stuff. Such topics will be devices to talk to the dead,
> levitation, devices to induce deep trance and altered state, allong with
much
> more. I wasnt orriginally going to put this info out simply because i
wanted
> to try it out myself and have fun, but also were a bit scared as to what
it
> could do in the wrong hands, but the way the world is and my budget i
think
> now is a good time to discuss such stuff and share information. What i
have
> at the moment is a whole lot of interelated ideas that when put together
make
> a beautiful picture and are a testament to how great god is. When i say
god i
> dont mean any god bellonging to a specific religion. too me god is the
whole
> its that simple. Anyhow the reason im writing this email is to see if any
are
> interested. It would be a great help if people who are handy with
electronics
> joined allong with alternative thinking people. Some of the ideas are not
> new, and probably in the short term will be drawing allot on others
matarial
> while i gather together my own for brousing. ANyhow I want to know peoples
> thoughts.
>
> Ok all take care
> damian
>
> PS I myself know only a little electronics so dont feel intimidated or
> stupid. All thoughts are welcome.
>
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Re: CS>Magnetic effect?

2001-10-10 Thread boberger

Hi Mike,

Magnetic stirring will work, but for those who do not have access to one they
are rather expensive. No need to slow it down.

"Ole Bob"




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Re: CS>This just went up on CS-new technique?

Sorry about the confusion.  I meant this to show that with the bio terrorism
threats now emerging that CS is getting some more publicity.

I do NOT agree with everything on that site.  The use of the hone was discussed
here some time ago, around Jan 6-8 I believe. You might want to check what was
discussed then in the archives. If I remember right it was decided that was not
a good thing to do, that adding some previously made CS is better for a starter.

Marshall

Janet Lubart wrote:

> Hi Marshall and group!
> Should we now be adding a small drop of honey to our CS cooking process AND
> 2 drops of h202 to the CS after cooking to get a better, higher quality CS??
> Standard procedure?
> Thank you,
> Janet
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 9:23 AM
> Subject: CS>This just went up on CS
>
> > http://zetatalk.com/health/theal202.htm
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> >
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Re: CS>parasite cleanse

2001-10-10 Thread one-busy-mompaula

Hi Julie and Terry,
I have used the worming and zapper mentioned by Dr. Clark, and it works,  me
and my kids, and fur kids.   I have purchased the wormwood, walnut tincture
and cloves from a friend a t church, who told me about this stuff. I have
had the best results, no gross worms seen either.  Also wanted to mention,
the zapper was used on my daughter, after the pediatrician, could not heal
her viral skin rash, I am ever so thankful, she is a beautiful little girl,
free from skin erruptions now , one year!  I also add garlic to the diet
(tinctured) for my German Sheperd Dog, I don't want her to get parasite, and
"give" them to my kids.
Paula
, > All products are to be taken on a 3 hour empty stomach.  Thus, first
thing
> in the AM before breakfast, before lunch, and again before dinner.
>
> Extra strength black walnut tincture:  30 drops twice/day
> Wormwood combination capsules:  14 caps once/day
> Clove capsules:  3 caps three times/day
>
> I do this for 21 days every 4-6 months.   It is possible that you can do
the
> initial worming and then only do it once/week year round.  Just easier for
> me to do it every 4 to 6 months.
>
> I've never had worms coming out my ears or any of the horror stories I've
> heard.  I was a bit nervous the first time I wormed, thinking my bowel
> habits might be different or I might feel nauseated, but there were no
> problems.
>
> There is a possibility that you might have difficulty sleeping and Hulda
> Clark has some remedies for this, but I use chamomile or valerian which
work
> great for me.
>
> You can buy Hulda Clark's worming products at her website.  I believe it's
> at http://www.drclark.com
>
> If you go to the health food store, remember to get the extra strength
black
> walnut tincture.  Regular strength is used for animals.
>
> I use fresh cloves often for worming livestock and other critters, so buy
in
> bulk, and grind fresh and make my own clove capsules for human worming
> purposes.
>
> Herbal Healer Academy also has a parasite tincture and intestinal freedom
> product that's supposed to work.  Not as many capsules to take and the
> tincture contains bw, wormwood, cloves, etc., all in the tincture.  Their
> site is at http://www.herbalhealer.com   I have HHA's products on hand for
> fall worming, but haven't used them yet.
>
> I have not used Hulda's zapper, but have thought about making one!
>
> Seriously tho, I hadn't consumed dairy milk for over 19 years, because of
my
> lactose intolerance diagnosed by my ear, nose, and throat specialist.  But
I
> would occassionally succumb to a single scoop ice cream cone with my kids
> and within two days I'd have boils on my face (not little zits, boils!)
and
> bronchitis would start.  Kids always teased me when they'd see a boil,
AHHH,
> you had an ice cream!  Gr.  I've bought half gallons of ice cream and
> tho I don't consume it all in a week, I eat it when I want it with no more
> boils or bronchitis.  =)
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Julie & Critters
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Terry Chamberlin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:22 PM
> Subject: CS>parasite cleanse
>
>
> > Judy,
> > I'm sure I'm not alone on the List in wanting more
> > details on the parasite cleanse you performed that
> > made such a dramatic difference.
> >
> > There are quite a number of variations of parasite
> > programs out there, from Hulda Clark's (including
> > using a zapper) to chinese herbs to something from a
> > HF store.
> >
> > Could you tell us where you got it and what it
> > involved?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > ___
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Re: CS>New forum for ideas

2001-10-10 Thread damian

Dr Monroe is the name that most people associate with this sought of 
technology. It has however been around longer than this in various forms. 
Drums used in ritual work along with the use of mantras have a similar effect 
of inducing the mind into an altered state. There have been allot of
advancements since the days of using simple cassettes. Light and sound 
machines are not the simple devices they use to be; consisting of only a 
stereo oscillator to induce trance. If your interested in this sought of 
thing feel free to join the insight forum and take a look at the initial 
offering on the site. Theres not much there at the moment but it will rapidly 
grow.


Forum

http://au.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/damiansinsight

Site
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~damiandd1/index.html

Take care
damian

On Thursday 11 October 2001 01:30, Ode Coyote wrote:
> Based on Dr. Gerald Oster's original research and on our own research and
>experimentation, we've created a very powerful audio
> technology called
>Holosync®, which we place inaudibly beneath peaceful
> music and environmental
>sounds. Listening to Holosync® audio cassettes literally
> transports you  quickly
>and effortlessly  to the deepest, most peaceful, most
> highly pleasurable and
>relaxing states of meditation.
>
>  I believe it was Robert Monroe who first used his "Hemisync" system for
> mind training or meditation.  It does work, but I don't want cassettes. I
> want to build a stereo feed through hemisync generator that can be placed
> inline with any recording so people can make their own tapes or just listen
> to any music with the "beat".
>  ...something that plugs into the headphone jack that headphones can be
> plugged into?
>  Could be used with a keyboard?
>
> "Dial a mindstate"
> Ken
>
> >- Original Message -
>
> From: damian 
>
> >To: 
> >Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:50 PM
> >Subject: Re: CS>New forum for ideas
> >
> >> Well I have two replies and that is more than enough to start us off.
> >> I'm just setting everything up now. Im quite excited. The first project
> >> I
> >
> >think
> >
> >> will be to make a supperior altered state device.
> >> I think you will be pleasantly surprised. The device has the pontential
> >> to either make a super mind, drive you crazy, or blow you up :-).
> >
> >damian and others,
> >
> >This is very timely. Take a look at this.
> >http://www.centerpointe.com/
> >
> >Nina
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: CS>Anthrax & Detox

  I get the impression that anthrax does not replicate in the lungs, so,
the dose must be large enough for the inhaled spores to make a lethal dose
of toxins.
 True or false?
Ken

At 11:54 AM 10/9/01 -0400, you wrote:
>It is my understanding that the toxins kill the tissue where the anthrax is.
>So the tissue under attack would be the lung tissue. I am not sure any detox
>would help in that situation.  The key I believe is to kill the anthrax
before
>it has a chance to generate many toxins.  I am still of the opinion that
>nebulized CS would be one of the better protocols.
>
>I heard on MSNBC last night that it would take about 10,000 spores in the
lungs
>to be fatal.  However since they also called anthrax a virus, I am not very
>confident of their knowledge or ability to report accurately.
>
>Marshall
>
>wolfcreek1 wrote:
>
>> It is my understanding that CS would effectively work in place of an
>> antibiotic, but that most anthrax cases die because of the overload of
>> toxins in the body.  From my limited understanding of CS, I believe it does
>> help detox, but am wondering what others would consider in conjunction with
>> CS to help detox the anthrax quickly enough, so as to not overload the
>> system.
>>
>> I'm thinking about fresh essiac tea, as it detoxes the liver and kidneys,
>> and purifies the blood.  Any other thoughts out there?
>>
>> Julie & Critters
>>
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>

## Looks like he patented an HVAC constant stir generator.
Question, Will that hold up in court if the device was already in common use before the patent was applied for.
ie: He didn't invent it and he patented a machine...not the process.
..and, any variation at all makes the patent unapplicable...such as, using a smaller container without a hinged lid.

Ken

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?TERM1=6214299&Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=0&f=S&l=50

An apparatus and method for producing colloidal silver. A large-volume container, such as a fifteen
gallon container, includes a hinged lid on which a rotational impeller is mounted along with several
sets of electrodes that are electrically connected to a power transformer. The container is partially
filled with water, and when the lid is closed, the sets of electrodes are disposed in communication
with the water in a predetermined arrangement, and the impeller resides submerged in the water.
Certain of the electrodes constitute silver wire. The power transformers convey current to the
electrodes, preferably alternating current, at voltages sufficient to cause silver particles to separate
from the silver wire and enter the solution in a stable, suspended state. The impeller is rotated,
preferably continuously, to prevent the suspended silver from remaining in upper levels of the water,
thereby dispersing the silver particles more uniformly throughout the volume of water.

Inventors:
Holladay; Robert J. (490 E. 1200 N., Logan, UT 84341); Christensen; Herbert
(816 Cottonwood Cir., Alpine, UT 84004); Moeller; William D. (70 W. Canyon
Crest Rd., Suite D, Alpine, UT 84004)
Appl. No.:
323310
Filed:
June 1, 199

At 05:16 PM 10/9/01 -, you wrote:

Some time passed, but I did found out the CS that can be
found at
http://www.libertyconnection.net
IS patented.
The patend number is: 6214299

Goran Sujansky
http://www.libertyconnection.net

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Re: CS>Cystic Fibrosis

2001-10-10 Thread M. G. Devour

Dear Jan,

Visit the following link to the archives:

http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html?by=Author&a=likowski&; n=2

(Be careful if the above web address wraps onto two lines... You'll
have to re-assemble it in your browser address window.)

What you'll get is the 2nd of two pages of messages by Dameon 
Likowski, a gentleman who joined our list in early 1998. He died just 
before Christmas of that year, but for the few months we knew him we 
had the privelege of aiding and witnessing his efforts to survive 
cystic fibrosis. And he was a survivor, being in his early 40's and in 
the very top percentile of CF longevity.

Colloidal silver was one component of the regimen he used, and he 
attributed several months of clear lung cultures to it.

Start at the bottom of the second page to read his earliest messages, 
and work your way to the top. Then click on the "Prev 50 matches" link 
to get the last half of the messages.

The short answer is, yes, CS ought to be of some help to your friend's
child, and no, it should not be harmful. Just start slowly, because if
the CS is effective in killing the bug-of-the-moment, the child's
system will have to deal with the toxins suddenly released by the dead
pathogens. That's a Herxheimer reaction, and they can get nasty if you 
rush things.

Peace,

Mike D.

> URGENT!
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm a newbie and have not yet seen a reference to cystic fibrosis on
> the = forum.
> 
> Please has anyone had any success using CS?
> 
> The urgency is because we have utterly rampant inflation in Zimbabwe
> and drugs for my friend's 5 year old have gone out of reach - even
> if she can find them.
> 
> I've suggested putting 5 drops CS in his nebulizer each time, as he
> has severe sinus trouble at the moment. Is this OK?
> 
> All/any info will be SO welcome.
> 
> Jan

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CS>Fw: CNN Breaking News

2001-10-10 Thread Bill Missett


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Re: CS>Bio Protection/Nebulizer

  I think nebulizers can be used with compressed air. A small diaphram type
compressor and maybe an air tank [depending on the compressors output
volume] should do it

  Oxygen and regulators can be bought at any welding supply house staring
at around $80...but refills are cheap.  Oxygen bottles contain about 1200
PSI and you will need the regulator ...or blow your frozen lungs up.
Ken

At 10:06 AM 10/9/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Since I live in Palm Beach County, the anthrax threat has certainly gotten 
>CLOSE TO HOME! I'm going to investigate the information you were talking 
>about, Brita.
>
>But for awhile now I had been wondering about a nebulizer.  I've looked 
>through the archives and there have been recent postings lately, but I still 
>feel confused.  Must a nebulizer ALWAYS be used with oxygen when using the 
>CS?  If the answer is yes, then how would the average bear get the oxygen?  

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Re: CS>New forum for ideas



Based on Dr. Gerald Oster's original research and on our own research and
   experimentation, we've created a very powerful audio
technology called
   Holosync®, which we place inaudibly beneath peaceful
music and environmental
   sounds. Listening to Holosync® audio cassettes literally
transports you  quickly
   and effortlessly  to the deepest, most peaceful, most
highly pleasurable and
   relaxing states of meditation. 

 I believe it was Robert Monroe who first used his "Hemisync" system for
mind training or meditation.  It does work, but I don't want cassettes. I
want to build a stereo feed through hemisync generator that can be placed
inline with any recording so people can make their own tapes or just listen
to any music with the "beat".
 ...something that plugs into the headphone jack that headphones can be
plugged into?
 Could be used with a keyboard?

"Dial a mindstate"
Ken



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>From: damian 
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:50 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>New forum for ideas
>
>
>> Well I have two replies and that is more than enough to start us off. I'm
>> just setting everything up now. Im quite excited. The first project I
>think
>> will be to make a supperior altered state device.
>> I think you will be pleasantly surprised. The device has the pontential to
>> either make a super mind, drive you crazy, or blow you up :-).
>
>damian and others,
>
>This is very timely. Take a look at this.
>http://www.centerpointe.com/
>
>Nina
>
>
>
>
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Re: CS>re: got no answer on the FDA

  It probably is illegal to use testimonials and make health claims, at least without a prominant disclaimer.
Maybe Alisons Apothecary will comment on thier experience with the goon squads?
Ken

At 08:03 AM 10/9/01 EDT, you wrote: 

Hi Mike, I posted this message before and got no answers.  Could you answer my question?  I live in NYC and am going to sell CS generators.  I know the FDA has made it illegal to list health claims on bottled colloidal silver.  I also know that it is illegal for people selling medicinal herbs to make health claims or prescribe their herbs for specific conditions.  Is it legal for sellers of the CS generators to make health claims for colloidal silver?  Is it illegal to use other people's testimonials?   
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Re: CS>Re Nebulizer

In a message dated 10/10/2001 1:15:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dsawa...@mb.sympatico.ca writes:


> Subj:CS>Re Nebulizer
> Date:10/10/2001 1:15:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:dsawa...@mb.sympatico.ca (Dave Sawatzky)
> Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Val
>  
>  Drugstore.com sells the Omron Nebulizer for $54.95. I have purchased 4 of 
> these for friends that do not have internet access. They can be purchased 
> without prescription, and they work very well. One person cleared up his 
> pneumonia, my sister is presently using one for her lung cancer and in her 
> last report the tumor had reduced in size.
>  
> Dave Sawatzky
> 

Dave: Is an oxygen bottle necessary, or can compressed air be used? Roger

Re: CS homeopathy

2001-10-10 Thread damian

I think this is much like the question when does a pebble become a boulder, a 
boulder a hill, a hill a mountain, a mountain a continent etc. I dont know if 
you get my drift. At what point does one become the other. Is it quanta like 
and does not persist in both states at once. There might be a little more to 
the subject than having to imediatly make direction for the most reasonable 
answer. What I mean to say its not necessarily bad if you cant define it 
clearly, Its a bit like fuzzy logic relying on degrees of subsistance with a 
set. Ok i'll shut up now. I do blabber.

Take care
damian

On Wednesday 10 October 2001 21:55, rogalt...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/9/2001 5:06:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> mdud...@execonn.com writes:
> > Subj:CS homeopathy
> > Date:10/9/2001 5:06:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> > From:mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley)
> > Reply-to:  > HREF="mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com To:   
> > silver-list@eskimo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I ran across this. Sounds like homeopathy to me.
> >
> > The Heritage Institute
> >  Box 174 Plainfield, WI 54966:
> >
> > We're often asked how as little as a teaspoon of colloidal silver can
> > 'purify' a gallon of water if the colloid only contains 3-5 parts per
> > million of silver to start with. Wouldn't the other 128+ ounces of water
> > dilute it to the point where it wouldn't contain enough silver to do
> > much good at all? As mystifying as it sounds, the answer is "no".
> > Medical researchers have discovered that weak solutions can be made
> > stronger by vigorously shaking them for a few seconds, then letting them
> > stand for about 5 minutes before use.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Marshall
>
> Marshall: I found at least one reference that stipulates that swimming pool
> water can be cleansed with 40 PPB CS and 300 PPB copper. Assuming a
> reasonable safety margin for both the CS and copper, we're probably talking
> about 10-20 PPB CS as still being somewhat active at least to prevent
> bacterial growth. That would constitute a dilution of about 200X-400X, or
> as low as a quarter ounce of 4 PPM CS in a gallon of water. Certainly still
> in the ballpark of a non-homeopathic CS concentration. Roger


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Re: CS homeopathy

In a message dated 10/9/2001 5:06:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mdud...@execonn.com writes:

> Subj:CS homeopathy
> Date:10/9/2001 5:06:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley)
> Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I ran across this. Sounds like homeopathy to me.
> 
> The Heritage Institute
>  Box 174 Plainfield, WI 54966:
> 
> We're often asked how as little as a teaspoon of colloidal silver can
> 'purify' a gallon of water if the colloid only contains 3-5 parts per
> million of silver to start with. Wouldn't the other 128+ ounces of water
> dilute it to the point where it wouldn't contain enough silver to do
> much good at all? As mystifying as it sounds, the answer is "no".
> Medical researchers have discovered that weak solutions can be made
> stronger by vigorously shaking them for a few seconds, then letting them
> stand for about 5 minutes before use.
> 
> 
> 
> Marshall
> 

Marshall: I found at least one reference that stipulates that swimming pool 
water can be cleansed with 40 PPB CS and 300 PPB copper. Assuming a 
reasonable safety margin for both the CS and copper, we're probably talking 
about 10-20 PPB CS as still being somewhat active at least to prevent 
bacterial growth. That would constitute a dilution of about 200X-400X, or as 
low as a quarter ounce of 4 PPM CS in a gallon of water. Certainly still in 
the ballpark of a non-homeopathic CS concentration. Roger

CS>Skin pinch to test for dehydration -- a question

2001-10-10 Thread JudytheK

Could someone knowledgeable explain how to do the back-of-the hand skin
pinch and what the "timing" is? Before I began drinking enough water, the
skin on the back of my hand stayed pinched! Now it returns to normal almost
instantly. Judy Down Maine


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RE: CS>For Robb -- RE: CS>Unidentified subject (enough water?)

2001-10-10 Thread JudytheK

Yes, you can.  I have been on the "water cure" for 5 weeks now. ( I weigh
200, drink 12 8-0z glasses per day, 6 before breakfast) At first it seemed
impossible to do.  Within a week became acceptable.  At first, peing was
"constant" but soon leveled out also. Knees stopped tingling, blood pressure
went down, heatburn stopped -- etc. Please look over
http://www.watercure.com/
In one of these cs emails, Brooks also remarked on the huge number of people
who are chronically dehydrated (and so damaging their bodies in a myriad
ways.) Judy Down Maine


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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:55 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>For Robb -- RE: CS>Unidentified subject!




> if you weigh 140, divide that by 2 = 70.  that is 70 ounces of water a
day.
> 70 / 8 = 8 3/4 glasses of water a day. that's not too bad.

I weigh 260, how much should I drink? Could I drink it??



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Re: CS>This just went up on CS

Hi:
If the owner/operator of  is on this list could he/she let us know
how much water he is using in his glass jar/bowl for the batch of CS made in
such a short time, 30-45 minutes?

Brita.


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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:23 PM
Subject: CS>This just went up on CS


> http://zetatalk.com/health/theal202.htm
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CS>OT - oxygen/helium plasma kills Anthrax

2001-10-10 Thread Bitbucket13

http://www.lanl.gov/worldview/news/releases/archive/99-043.shtml



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Re: CS>Anthrax Protection Update: Dr. Mercola

Yep, I agree. Also with Marshall's comment re:where's the proof and what kind of
CS product was used. However, my experience with CS is not as remarkable as
yours or Marshall's, so I'm just not as convinced as you are, yet. If CS was all
I had, it would have to be my first choice.

I had heard of the use of oxytetracycline before I knew about CS and I bought
some and took it for 10 days. I did that because I had confidence in the use of
some meds for animals because of a very early experience. When I was 3 years
old, at the end of WW2, I nearly died from Diphteria. There was no medicine, no
vaccine. Just horse serum! They shot me up with 3000 units of that serum, and I
live to tell about it. In fact I carried a certificate that I should never be
immunized for Diphteria again. The US govm't accepted that for the 20 years I
accompanied my G I husband on his duty overseas. Just prior to the Diphteria I
had Cholera and was practically cured with grated apples.
Come to think of it, I've been healthy as a horse since the Diphteria 
well, almost.

Brita.

- Original Message -
From: "Jason / AVRA" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Anthrax Protection Update: Dr. Mercola


> From reading the portion that you gave us, I would say the good doctor is
> honest and thoughtful.  The real question, however, is those studies he was
> referring to.  It's obvious he believes the microbiologist, but I'm not so
> sure I do.
>
> A gentleman named James Smith quotes these references when saying that
> colloidal silver is effective against anthrax:
>
> H. Bechhold, Colloids in Biology and Medicine, N.Y.: D. van Nostrand, 1919,
> pp. 364-76.
>
> D. Long & S. Spencer Jones, Bioterrorism: Secrets for Surviving the Coming
> Terrorist Germ Warfare Attacks on U.S. Cities, Barstow, CA: Life & Health
> Research Group, 1998.
>
> )  N. Grier (1983) "Silver and Its Compounds" in Disinfection, Sterilization
> and Preservation, S. Block, ed., Philadelphia: Lea & Febiger, 380-428.
>
> Now, these sources - without viewing their data - leave the same question
> unanswered.
>
> Another person claims the University of California studied colloidal silver
> with Anthrax and determined it was effective.  The sources claim that the
> "official findings" were not published, because a fee was not paid.
>
> Who do you believe?
>
> Luckily for all of us here, this question is rather mute, since using
> colloidal silver will not in the least bit hurt - and could be life saving.
> When one is contemplating a situation, one's mind is in one place - fear, or
> hope, or determination, or steadfastness, or even the feeling of
> powerlessness.  If that situation becomes real, the mind will be where the
> next best action is.  So one takes all the best actions possible.  If
> bacterial warfare becomes more predominant, I will up my daily intake of
> colloidal silver as a preventative effort.  I'll probably up it to about 16
> ounces, spread all throughout the day and evening.
>
> Whom I feel concern about is those who, not knowing what to believe, simply
> do not act, because the next best action is an unknown.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Val Q" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:43 PM
> Subject: CS>Anthrax Protection Update: Dr. Mercola
>
>
> > At last!  I finally found what I was looking for.  Please understand I am
> > not saying this is gospel; I AM saying, however, that "Dr. Mercola
> > said.."  http://www.mercola.com/2001/oct/3/anthrax_protection.htm
> >
> > Here is the part that specifically relates to the CS.  But of course, it's
> > always better to read the whole thing than merely take something out of
> > context.  He suggests getting our immune systems strong to start with.
> That
> > said, here it is, and as I said before, the CS mention is merely a blip.
> >
> > Valerie
> >
> > "I am working on a vaccine program that can be administered and will
> provide
> > notice on it when my research is complete. In the meantime please
> recognize
> > that many are advocating essential oils and colloidal silver for anthrax.
> >
> > "Please understand that the CIA Biodefense microbiologist I have been in
> > contact with does NOT recommend that. He tried them on live cultures of
> > anthrax and they did not work.
> >
> > "I imagine they would be better than nothing, but my guess is that they
> will
> > not help. Antibiotics like doxycyline and Cipro would be useful, but
> > certainly impractical for the entire country to stockpile. Additionally,
> the
> > microbiologist told me one would have to be on antibiotics for many months
> > because as soon as they were stopped the spores would activate and likely
> > kill the person.
> >
> > "That is where the immunization program would come into place as one's
> > natural immune antibody protection with antibiotics were the only
> > combination that seem to work for the monkey's this microbiologist
> infected
> > with anthrax as part of his work with

CS>Cystic Fibrosis

2001-10-10 Thread Jan Carew

URGENT!

Dear All,

I'm a newbie and have not yet seen a reference to cystic fibrosis on the forum.

Please has anyone had any success using CS?

The urgency is because we have utterly rampant inflation in Zimbabwe and drugs 
for my friend's 5 year old have gone out of reach - even if she can find them.

I've suggested putting 5 drops CS in his nebulizer each time, as he has severe 
sinus trouble at the moment. Is this OK?

All/any info will be SO welcome.

Jan

Re: CS>Coffee Filters and Seeding

2001-10-10 Thread Nina Silver

- Original Message -
From: Val Q 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: CS>Coffee Filters and Seeding

Val,
You ask about using coffee filters for CS. I have never filtered my silver,
EVER, and it has turned out fine. (The only time it's never worked out was
when the wires were touching the glass container in which the CS was being
made.)

Also, I've never stirred my CS. There simply didn't seem to be a need for
it.

Nina

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Re: CS>Coffee Filters and Seeding

Val:
what I would do is give the unbleached coffee filters several good rinses with
distilled water (DW) before filtering your CS  - next time!  (Someone else
suggested this previously). That filter could be re-used several times before
having to use another one.  I would use up the CS made so far and not save it
for an emergency.  Even though it's probably not contaminated it may lose some
effectiveness within a few weeks.

I would then feel more confident using the freshly filtered (as above) to seed
each additional batch.

It was, also previously, stated that switching up your electrodes often helps
prevent the black sludgy buildup that has a tendency to fall into the CS when
you remove the electrodes. I began doing this. I switch up and reverse the
electrodes with each batch (I usually make a quart at a time). It definitely
helps. I also try to make my CS well before the moon sets, really, my CS would
turn all kinds of colors if I didn't pay attention and crank up the old 2X9 v
batteries after the moon sets (disappears). Mine usually takes 4 hours to run.
So I usually set it up 6 hours or so before then.  I have also made it at 2 AM,
i.e. 6 hours after moon sets, which worked  fine also. Sounds weird but it works
for me. I also stir my brew, manually, with a glass swizzle stick, every 15-30
minutes, while it's brewing.

I usually buy a gallon DW extra just for rinsing after cleaning the jar with
H2O2, if necessary. I used to heat the DW to speed things up but I start with
room temp now, which usually is near 85 degrees around here.

I'm sure others will have more to add.

Brita.

- Original Message -
From: "Val Q" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: CS>Coffee Filters and Seeding


> I read these two things today, and now I am concerned, since I do one and
> just started doing the other.
>
> I read that
>
> 1) you should not use coffee filters to filter because you might be adding
> an "unknown" into the CS. I've been using brown, unbleached ones because I
> thought that would be a safer thing to use.  Should I be concerned?
>
> 2) you should not seed, which I have only done the last couple of days after
> I read that you could do this (it sure does save time).  But again, I read
> that if you do, and if something is not pure with your CS, you can just be
> furthering a problem.
>
> Over an immense period of time, I have accumulated 3 gallons (besides what I
> drink).  Should I be worried that it may not be good?!
>
> Thanks for any input you may have.
>
> Valerie
>
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CS>Seeding again

2001-10-10 Thread Terry Chamberlin

Valerie,
Also (I sent too soon), if you use 20-25% pre-made CS
as a starter, you are only doing what an hour of
brewing would do, but you are saving that hour.

I use 1/4 CS + 3/4 DW, and it reduces the brewing time
by 2/3.

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CS>Seeding

2001-10-10 Thread Terry Chamberlin

Valerie,
This is an example of the superstition that arises
concerning CS. No one has provided ANY evidence that
you can do anything to make CS dangerous using water
that doesn't have a toxic substance already in it.
(Yes, chlorine is toxic.)

Regular spring, well, river or tap water
(non-chlorinated) is being used by people all over the
world to make CS that is very effective. Yes, bleached
filters might be a concern IF THE CS CHANGES COLOR. If
it is clear, I wouldn't worry. I use "oxygen cleansed"
coffee filters that cost me one dollar per package.
Are they bleached? I don't know, but my CS is always
crystal clear. So use paper napkins, they're not
bleached.

If you made up a bunch of CS, and it's still clear (or
yellow), guzzle away!

Terry Chamberlin
Metabolic Solutions Institute
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Lawrencetown, NS B0S 1M0
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CS>New Forum Up and Going

2001-10-10 Thread damian

Ok this is the last email regarding the new technology forum to be posted on 
CS forum. I've set up the club at yahoo which can be found at the following 
link. I'll let those interested sign up as I have had quite a few replies and 
the admin system is not that great. 

http://au.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/damiansinsight

I've also finished the first part of the mind machine section on the site. 
The site is called "Insight" and can be found at

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~damiandd1/index.html

Please visit the site so you can get started and develop some thoughts

>From here on in its a roller coaster.

Take care and god's speed 
damian


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